[WikiEducator] Re: The Open University joins the OERu
Oh Yeah! Now that's a game changer. Congrats. Just so you know. Quite a few things on the boil now. You know it's the OER .edu, and .gov, infrastructure which is my goal. Samo samo. We had an interesting meet - around these sites http://govcampau.org/category/locations/ 2 weeks ago. The live link was pretty embryonic, but we did some some nice responses _ it's just like Eurovision. And that will progress now. Have focussed on this tool and community https://community.bluejeans.com/bluejeans/topics/marketing_to_groups_instead_of_enterprises?rfm=1topic_submit=true for a bunch of reasons. Not going to bore you with issues like QoS (Quality of Service) for *Real Time Communications* across National RENs. Next Monday we'll be sitting down with these guys http://acevents.com.au/ to talk about some collaboration. So you might want to pencil in June next year http://edutech.net.au/ to do some tap dancing. OK. So far as strategy. Don't know who you're talking to in the .eu space. But the linkages are pretty established between OUUK (and OUNL) and the .eu guys . The focus (for funding) is on this project. http://www.open.ac.uk/researchcentres/osrc/events/ccigos-openbox-seminars-european-funding And this http://www.openeducationeuropa.eu/en/about_this_portal*portal http://www.openeducationeuropa.eu/en/about_this_portal *(arghh!) is probably the most progressed as far as taking an old fashioned view of publishing. *i.e. *Set up a web site and duplicate/aggregate courses from a bunch of silos. Funny how none of these places has open forums, so people can find their (groups of) peers and collaborate. The discussions will soon get down to this issue http://standards.data.gov.uk/challenge/directory-localnational-groups, although on a Global (.edu) basis instead of just a National (.gov) one. Anyway, keep up the good work. regards, si == -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [WikiEducator] Digest for wikied...@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic
Fantastic, That's going to be such an important one as the tenethttp://www.tenet.ac.za/guys begin to bring ubuntunet http://www.ubuntunet.net/ together. cheers. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[WikiEducator] Re: [OERU] Congratulations OERu: A significant milestone for more affordable education futures
Hi Wayne (my dear overworked friend). For what it's worth, I had to say congrats too. It's been quite a journey watching what you and the team have achieved over the past (what is it?) 4 years. I was a bit disappointed about the TRU video recordings. Hoped I would get some feel for this meet, which was as good as the first. No biggie. It's just, as always, I consider the back end more important than the front. And I won't repeat myself apart from to say OERu has a great culture. That's more important than anything. So I've just picked up on the suggestion about the eu sub grouphttps://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/oer-university/WkiFd1-n0bM. It seems about time that we might take another step if we can get some collaboration happening between a few communities. So can we work though a strategy for the EU (project) and beyond. I'd like to introduce you into the ML community. In fact I already have. You might want to correct me if I've made a mistake about you in my last comment on this threadhttp://lnkd.in/bGhbX-P. Sally's the man for the ML community, and she has a nice team. Gotta conference coming up soon. You won't know the EC personalities. Let's just say the ML community is inside the Brussels' bubble. It's a bit more comfortable for me than OERu, primarily because it crosses into media (networks). Both broadcast and interactive. You know i bang on about *infrastructure*, which people in the edu industry rarely get because they think they are in the business of teaching, and all the changes happen outside the unis. Can't train people to do a job before it, or its tools, exist. All online educators are going though the search for a global collaborative infrastructure, so regardless of what banner one uses. the ends in the mind of OERu and ML communities, and quite a few others, are identical. Collaboration anyone? So apart from pushing the OERu barrow, and getting a few, or lot more unis, into the fold, any EU sponsored project needs a few courses which every educator/bureaucrat.ec will want/needs to do. And Antonio, who can see the market needed to be developed, latched onto one http://lnkd.in/bwJFFFK. Apart from that you know I have my discussions, about what global infrastructure OERuers and MLers. etc might want, with the NREN guys, who in Europe come together around an association called terena. So they'd need to be involved in this network development as well. OERu is the customer, so members will need to agree on their wish list (for the collaborative tools they'd want) . OK. Enough for now. Just thought I'd drop the idea on you. Brian's right; the EC pennies are there. But we'll need some agreement on how the OERu is going to be sustainable, and that depends on the new jobs which they'd be preparing (students) for. Can't see that being much of a prob, although as I've said before, the OERu *back end* is more valuable than the front, so long its members get hard nosed in defining the learning environment/collaborative tools they want. You don't push media products these days. You include co-producers. But that's just a media guy talking (just like all the other media guyhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/paulmagnone/2013/06/22/4-big-data-trends-that-change-everything/ s). Congrats again. si Bottom line On Monday, 4 November 2013 05:04:22 UTC+7, gene wrote: Wayne, It certainly was exciting and thanks for your effort, but the continual effort of many persons wordwide, trying new theories not possible just a few years abgo made it great and notable. The way the OERU is being constructed is to use structures that traditional education uses, such as accredidation, aong with the open and sharing theme. My concern is that the knowledge of it is too limited. For example, I live in the United States, with it's fractionalized educational system, and knowledge of oeru is unknown in many areas. I help to publicize it but hope that in practice and with United States college members, recognition of OERU will gain. Meanwhile, the companies that are getting courses from major universities such as Harvard and Stanford, still don't know what to do with them. OERU, with its thoughtful, planned approach is greatly needed. Thanks, Gene Gene Loeb, Ph.D. On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Wayne Mackintosh mackinto...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: A reason for open educations to celebrate! We were honoured to have Sir John Daniel launch the the OERu website http://oeruniversity.org/ on 1 November 2013. Its been a busy few days of implementation planning and OERu meetings will continue this week. Thank you to all members of the community and virtual participants during the 2nd meeting of OERu anchor partnershttp://wikieducator.org/OER_university/OERu_13.10_Meeting/Agenda who have contributed to turning the vision of the OERu into reality. Below, a few of the related media links. - Free Open Learning
[WikiEducator] Re: Position announcement: William and Flora Hewlett Foundation
Thanks for the heads up Wayne. You know my first thought were to just pass this on to a few email lists, and FB, LI groups. But it occurred to me that they'd never get the OERu culture which (let's be honest) revolves around yu. I've gotta believe that somewhere in your latest uni there lurks an untamed journo or two, who, when listening to their old prof going on about marketing is thinking what a load of crap. They would have read something like this and thought yep! http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulmagnone/2013/06/22/4-big-data-trends-that-change-everything/ If they did have a Masters in Marketing, they'd be quite useless. So maybe this is an opportunity to have a team, rather than an individual, begin to pull together a new age marketing OER course. It's really hard I know, when one has loyalties to the old ideas of institutions, and the credentials they issue, to believe that the paper is useless. These youngsters want jobs not paper. All i can say is that the OERu have the beginnings of a new (global) uni culture. But the students can see the jobs, and make them, if only given a chance. Just saying, si. On Saturday, 28 September 2013 02:46:47 UTC+1, Wayne Mackintosh wrote: I do not normally post position announcements on our list, but in this case I will make an exception. The William and Flora Hewlett Foundation have been instrumental in contributing towards the transformation in education using OER. See: Position announcement for program officerhttp://www.hewlett.org/careers/program-officer-education . -- Wayne Mackintosh http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg, Ph.D. Director OER Foundation http://www.oerfoundation.org Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic Commonwealth of Learning Chair in OER, Otago Polytechnic Founder and elected Community Council Member, WikiEducatorhttp://www.wikieducator.org Mobile +64 21 2436 380 Skype: WGMNZ1 Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg | identi.cahttp://identi.ca/waynemackintosh Wikiblog http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg/Blog -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[WikiEducator] Re: European Commission adopts Opening Up Education launches Open Education Europa
Cable, Just a couple of notes as you seem to think there's something new here. As it says in About us this has been going since 2002 at elearningeuropa.info They've just renovated the original site, again, and stuck it in the .eu domain because there's an aggregation going on as the various EC's Directorate Generals are beginning to collaborate, around specific categories. i.e. Education in this case. Notice how the site has 2 Home links on the navigation bar? The main one goes back to http://ec.europa.eu/ (the EC's front page). So there have been loads of discussions going on over the years with, what is now the DG Connect guys. The site ( ec.europa.eu ) is run by the Communication department of the European Commissionhttp://ec.europa.eu/dgs/communication/index_en.htmon behalf of the EU institutions. I'm only belabouring this because there are so many of these kinds of portals thoughout the EC domain, and your discussion with this portal - to provide a link to an education about CC - might have a bigger impact if we can have the DG connect guys thinking about doing the same on this pagehttp://europa.eu/abouteuropa/index_en.htm. They'd have to create a CC-by-default policy for all the ec's silo's sites, which would mean that EC member sites.gov would have to follow. So you might end up, as with the EC's Cookie policy, changing things very fast (after all the talk fests of course). So please keep us informed as you contact the guys inside this portal. The biggest prob in all of this is, as wayne says at the OERu seminar, getting the conversations above the radar, so the internal and external comms can get some alignment, around a category, and share the learning As for the (OERu) *open learning environmen*t. Well, openeducationeuropa.eu is one ec designed version. Not bad, even if it is in only 23 languages. cheers, si On Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:36:26 UTC+1, Cable Green wrote: Greetings Open Colleagues: Apologies for the cross posting(s). I've pulled together information here from various lists re: the wonderful OER news in Europe. - The European Commission has just adopted its new Opening up Education initiative: http://www.openeducationeuropa.eu/en/initiative - Press release: * http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-859_en.htm* - Document: http://ec.europa.eu/education/news/doc/openingcom_en.pdf - The Open Education Europa web site was also launched today: http://www.openeducationeuropa.eu - note: the CC BY license on the site and the filter by license feature when searching for resources Well done, Europe! Cable *PS - Creative Commons will work with the new **Open Education Europa web site **to get the CC BY license linked to the open license deedhttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/and properly marked http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking/Creators with machine-readable meta-data.* -- Cable Green, PhD Director of Global Learning Creative Commons @cgreen http://twitter.com/cgreen http://creativecommons.org/education * reuse, revise, remix redistribute* -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[WikiEducator] Re: European Commission adopts Opening Up Education launches Open Education Europa
while i'm looking at it. http://ec.europa.eu/yourvoice/ipm/forms/dispatch?form=PSIguidelines On Wednesday, 25 September 2013 19:36:26 UTC+1, Cable Green wrote: Greetings Open Colleagues: Apologies for the cross posting(s). I've pulled together information here from various lists re: the wonderful OER news in Europe. - The European Commission has just adopted its new Opening up Education initiative: http://www.openeducationeuropa.eu/en/initiative - Press release: * http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-859_en.htm* - Document: http://ec.europa.eu/education/news/doc/openingcom_en.pdf - The Open Education Europa web site was also launched today: http://www.openeducationeuropa.eu - note: the CC BY license on the site and the filter by license feature when searching for resources Well done, Europe! Cable *PS - Creative Commons will work with the new **Open Education Europa web site **to get the CC BY license linked to the open license deedhttp://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/and properly marked http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking/Creators with machine-readable meta-data.* -- Cable Green, PhD Director of Global Learning Creative Commons @cgreen http://twitter.com/cgreen http://creativecommons.org/education * reuse, revise, remix redistribute* -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[WikiEducator] Re: Creative Commons: Regional Coordinator Europe Position
Just a quick note Cable. I pass this one on to one of my correspondents. http://mathew.blogactiv.eu/2012/04/09/to-blog-or-not-to-blog/ As I don't your strategy in the .gov space, or where CC might be, so far as this kind of policy statementhttp://www.egov.vic.gov.au/focus-on-countries/australia/trends-and-issues-australia/legal-issues-australia/copyright-australia/australian-government-sets-default-copyright-to-creative-commons-by-attribution.htmlin each country, I'm a bit lost. Mathew is in the centre of things in Brussels, so it would be great to see if we can have some euro wide policy put in place. If you do have a list - country by country - could you put it up somewhere on the cc site. One other thing would be useful at this stage, especially as there a bunch of conversation starting to come to a head in the policy making 2.0. communities. Could you ask jessica if she'd like to start putting some links on (say) a communities page - to the various places like this this. i.e. where the nattering sharing is done. I can see you've got a projects page. This one would be more about cross-pollinating between them.(mainly RE and gov). We've got a few conversation beginning to happen between network architects (mainly around the NRENs and their associated public broadcasters) and a few policy makers. BTW. One of my shining lights (in oz) in this space just got a new job. She talks at a million miles an hour. But she was probably coming down after organising tim berners lee's trip around Oz. http://sydney2013.drupal.org/program/business-day/keynote/pia-waugh Lastly, Jessica would probably apprecaite this one. It seems to be a skill set which, as it develops, might be a course some OER institution will want on their list. Unfortunately, like always, the tools an educator might require to train a group of global students doesn't exist yet. But i don't think we're that far away now. All the best, si On Saturday, 9 February 2013 10:20:46 UTC+11, Cable Green wrote: Greetings Friends: Creative Commons is looking for a new European Regional Coordinator. CC's European Regional Coordinator works to assist Creative Commons and its global community with organizational planning, strategic communications, community building, and fundraising in Europe in support of the organization’s mission, goals and objectives. - CC blog post: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/36518 - Position description: http://creativecommons.org/opportunities#rceurope Please feel free to share it with your networks or anyone you think might be interested. The position is part-time. Thank you, Cable -- Cable Green, PhD Director of Global Learning Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org/education http://twitter.com/cgreen Creative Commons turned 10! Please give a birthday gift. https://creativecommons.net/donate -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[WikiEducator] Re: Creative Commons: Regional Coordinator Europe Position
OOps. This is the skillset. http://community.paper.li/2012/03/07/why-a-content-curator-is-not-an-editor/ On Saturday, 9 February 2013 10:20:46 UTC+11, Cable Green wrote: Greetings Friends: Creative Commons is looking for a new European Regional Coordinator. CC's European Regional Coordinator works to assist Creative Commons and its global community with organizational planning, strategic communications, community building, and fundraising in Europe in support of the organization’s mission, goals and objectives. - CC blog post: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/36518 - Position description: http://creativecommons.org/opportunities#rceurope Please feel free to share it with your networks or anyone you think might be interested. The position is part-time. Thank you, Cable -- Cable Green, PhD Director of Global Learning Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org/education http://twitter.com/cgreen Creative Commons turned 10! Please give a birthday gift. https://creativecommons.net/donate -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[WikiEducator] Re: Happy Open Access Week! - OER Foundation contribution
Hi Wayne, I'm having my usual discussions with the guys who run various NRENs about Open Access. You might know that there is a parrallel conversation to the content-centric open access discussions in the network-centric world. This is an example of how open Acess looks in that parrallel world. http://www.sunet.se/Nyheter/Nyheter/10-2-2012-60-students-and-researchers-in-Sweden-go-mobile-with-eduroam-and-The-Cloud.html There are quite a few initiatives, about open access to networks, going on around the world with most of them centering around eduroam. e.g. http://www.eduroam.org/index.php?p=mediaid=14 Am also having some nice discussions with some people in the LIS ( Library and info Science) field about putting the horse (network) and the cart (content) discussions together. Would be nice if we can figure out a way to cross-pollinate between the two perspectives. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Announcement: Communicate OER launches next week
Thanks Pete, Give me a bit of time. You're going to be busy for this week, and I've got my hands full, especially in getting something into this consultation. http://ec.europa.eu/research/consultations/ri/consultation_en.htm I've been trying to find a banner around which a few disparate projects might collaborate. Seems Media Studies 2.0 might be a likely candidate. Wikipedia has only this reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Studies_2.0 although this is the best single resource I can find.http://www.theory.org.uk/mediastudies2.htm I think, if we we're able to get a curricula together, we might some way of bridging between the old, and new media, worlds, of which Wikipedia was a harbinger. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Announcement: Communicate OER launches next week
Hi Pete, Just created a link to the WP open research article off your http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Communicate_OER_Content page You'll also notice Wayne is suggesting the idea of an open (research) journal https://groups.google.com/d/topic/wikieducator/QqqfdUJvcVI/discussion So we're beginning to see RE come together in the OER (and a few other) space(s). As far as the primary linkaging with WP is concerned, I suppose Daniel Mietchen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen - Wikimedian in Residence on Open Sciencehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedian_in_Residence_on_Open_Scienceand interested in linking OER with Open Access and Wikimedia - is the key pin. Open science and Open research being 2 degrees apart. Now i understand that the aim of your project is to (*Communicate OER* is a collaborative effort) to improve Wikipedia articles relating to open educational resourceshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_educational_resources(OER). But are you doing anything in the development of an OER eco-system? e.g. Do a Google. End up on a WP page, AND THEN (e.g.) be directed by a link, or reference to an interactive space where one can get more info, or maybe register for a course. I'm having a discussion in quite a few places at the moment about the convergence between old broadcast media and (let's say) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Studies_2.0 . I would think Patrina Lawhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HigherEdPatrinaaction=editredlink=1. I am the Senior Manager for Strategic Projects at the Open University would have an interest here, especially as OUUK have a relationaship with the BBC. E.g. http://www.open.edu/openlearn/whats-on/ou-on-the-bbc-week I keep on looking at that header on every WP page Discuss how more than 10 million US dollars could benefit the Wikimedia movement and thinking yep. But it would need to look at the convergence between broadcast and interactive media from an OER perspective. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Open questions: Peer reviewed academic journal focusing on openness in education
That's good Wayne, Not sure if just putting together a journal would move things along from a practical perspective. But I'm with you on attempting to bring all the opens' together. Just open access has different applications for network managers and content managers. Just check out that An Illustration of an intiative for open Access from one (NREN) network managers perspective discussion on one of my FB groupshttps://www.facebook.com/groups/197860856892050/(mainly people from the Library and information Science domain). One group who may be of interest to OER member's here is this initiativehttp://www.software.ac.uk/open-call. Primarily as they have an interest in developing software and Wikieducator could use people who can add some value to the environment here. i.e. Not just attempt to use off-the-shelf commodity products like a wiki or google group/hangouts, etc. They've got a pretty good pedigree in the network/grid space to, so we might have some chance of bring the web stuff to some serious network grunt. BTW. This is an interesting onehttp://venture-lab.stanford.edu/educationin the development of online learning spaces. So far as Open Governance, I'm hoping this one might grow legshttp://www.crossover-project.eu/Home.aspxas it's a continuation of a bunch of enquiries which have been http://daa.ec.europa.eu/ funded out of the EU. Mind you, with what you did for OERu meehttp://wikieducator.org/OER_university/2011.11_OERu_Meeting_Agendat is pretty good. I'm sure if we = OER, OCWC, etc = could run a regular series of distributed conferences (i.e. link between groups of F2F conferences, and keep a record in the one domain, it might help the (NREN) network guys to systemize their pipes around global groups rather than national institutions. You know my perspective. I view all the open stuff going on as (primarily) an attempt to align broadcast, and interactive, media in order to support global disciplinary groups who are aggregating and distributing content, and systemize their virtual spaces so they can be found by people with similar interests. Eventually economics is real the driverhttp://lnkd.in/XCdDUz. My 2 cents. All the best. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: I significant milestone for educational philanthropy: OERu announces first course for formal academic credit
Congrats! The first of many. On Wednesday, 3 October 2012 16:30:56 UTC+7, Wayne Mackintosh wrote: Today, the University of Southern Queensland turns the OERu vision of free learning opportunities for all students (with pathways to achieve formal academic credit) into reality by announcing the launchhttp://wikieducator.org/Australia%27s_University_of_Southern_Queensland_launches_the_first_OERu_prototype of the Regional Relations in Asia and the Pacific (AST1000http://wikieducator.org/AST1000) course. To quote Professor Jan Thomas, Vice-Chancellor and President of USQ: *As a founding anchor partner in the Open Educational Resource University (OERu), USQ is proud to give students worldwide, the ability to access university level courses and where cost has been removed as a barrier to learning. Read more ...http://wikieducator.org/Australia%27s_University_of_Southern_Queensland_launches_the_first_OERu_prototype * This is a significant milestone for educational philanthropy. OERu partners are demonstrating that we can provide more affordable and sustainable education futures using open education approaches. The OERu point of difference is that our learners will be able to gain credible degrees. -- Wayne Mackintosh http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg, Ph.D. Director OER Foundation http://www.oerfoundation.org Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic Commonwealth of Learning Chair in OER, Otago Polytechnic Founder and elected Community Council Member, WikiEducatorhttp://www.wikieducator.org Mobile +64 21 2436 380 Skype: WGMNZ1 Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg | identi.cahttp://identi.ca/waynemackintosh Wikiblog http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg/Blog -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Reminder: EU Consultation on Opening up Education: deadline: 13 November, 2012
Thanks for the heads up Cable, Just a note on a parrallel consultation at the EC, out of another DG, which aims at doing similar things. Difference being that this one is talking about the change in policy making to a more open uni type approach. http://www.crossover-project.eu/Project/Objectives.aspx Just thought you may be interested as they'll be putting a directory of experts together, and cc by default is a simple message that spans EC's (DG) silos. It will take in some of the feedback coming out of the DG (http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/education_culture/index_en.htm ) which is respnsible for this open education consultation. BTW. There's a conference on in Nov which will have policy makers from this education_culture unit on stage. http://www.media-and-learning.eu/programme regards, si On Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:31:38 UTC+7, Cable Green wrote: http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/education_culture/consult/open_en.htm http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/33832 The consultation period ends 13 November 2012. Anyone, from anywhere, may reply to the questionnaire. Cheers, Cable -- Cable Green, PhD Director of Global Learning Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org/education http://twitter.com/cgreen -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: interesting documentary airing today
Thanks DON, Interesting one. I was reminded of some other interesting stuff i heard from your public broadcaster. http://www.cbc.ca/recivilization/episode/2012/01/04/episode-one-turning-the-media-inside-out/ I'm always trying to find illustrations of how each sector of different Nations comes to terms with how to 'best' align broadcast, and interactive, media. Question. Does Canada have an open uni which has a relationship its public broadcaster, like the OU and BBC in the UK? -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Guardian: Are OERs the key to global economic growth?
Many thanks for this. I'd like to use this one as the content hub of conversations that are going on on other communities who are treating the OER related issues separately. So please don't think I have anything in mind apart from getting the left hands and right hands to understand how, and where, they need to collaborate. On Sunday, 8 July 2012 09:15:48 UTC+7, Mokurai wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:02 AM, simonfj simo...@cols.com.au wrote: In a word, No. This turns out not to be the case. OERs and computers now cost less than printed textbooks, so that they can greatly improve education while saving money. This is the only way we can graduate children from high school with 12 years of computer skills, ready for information age jobs. Yes. We are at the point where computers, and the networks which provide/share their content and apps, are now at the inflection point. Really, it happened in 2002 when mobile replaced landlines as the most common way of accessing networks. See slide 4 of Audey's ppt. I can understand your political misery in an age of financial and political malpractice on a global scale, but those are not new factors in our history. Printing has greatly cut into political malpractice over the centuries, and we are getting spectacular results from even our primitive social media. There is much more to come. OERs are as big an advance as printed textbooks were in the time of Gutenberg. They will have equally large consequences. This analogy is for me the main one. All WE are experiencing is the evolution in media, and how it's produced, aggregated and dissminated. This has affected ALL institutions as it always does, with the political edu ones being the place where the changes are implemented. As you say, our primitive social media is yet to be treated as grown up. These discussions centre on the convergence of (old) broadcast and (new) interactive, where many of the habits and processes of the old have been tried to be imposed on the new, and failed. OERs, as the content-centric part of a philosophy practice No. OER is a philosophy. If it was a practice we would all be happy with the way they are shared and co-produced today, and have a curricula for all of them. e.g. This e-list (group) shares links with others who are interested in developing the practices of open education. The philosophy encompasses many, many others who approach this openess from their professional perspectives. e.g. Those in open gov work at developing 'open' policy in the same manner as OERers work at developing open curricula. Neither is satified with what they have because this process is a constant beta. If it wasn't, we would be talking about open teaching not open learning. which is demanding more transparency of ALL our institutions. has about the same chance as all the other opens = edu, gov, networks, software, science, etc. There are millions of children learning computer and cognitive skills with Free Software and OERs. A recent study by Peru confirms these gains. Taken separately, as they all are, By you, evidently, and the financial media such as The Wall Street Journal and The Economist, but not by all governments, school systems, universities, and the rest. This is the most fascinating portion of any arguement, any OERer could throw up. You talk about all governments as if there were some co-ordination between them. Perhaps in intent, but certainly not in implementation. And school systems, where you have some discouraging the use of wikipedia and others (according to the wikipedia blog) encouraging students to co-produce content (especially in their own language). And the networks, which provide access to edu (and other gov) institutions, all off implementing their own (non interoperable) solutions, and isolated (single institution) access points. The separations are quite endless. To say nothing of the cost of the duplications. they are isolated parts of a lovely idea. E.g. The OER concept couldn't exist if its individual projects weren't funded by some government or philanthropic organisation. Incorrect, as I noted above. No, it is correct. I could point to various sustainable web domains (like sitepoint for webbies) who pull the eyeballs to a global, english-speaking hub of excellence (for 11 years). There are many good publically funded projects as well. But OERs, as a movement, hasn't generated it's own sustainablity yet (and perhaps never will if it remains true to its philosophy). So it must focus on reducing ALL the costs of re-inventing the education process. Because it doesn't, we are left with institution paying (separately) for the use of proprietary real time tools, like Elluminate. That's not to say that brokering, on behalf of institutions, is not going on on a National basis. http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com/2011/07/internet-2-project
Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Guardian: Are OERs the key to global economic growth?
In a word, Yes. A key, not the key, but one of the next ones the world will see. OERs are as big an advance as printed textbooks were Yes. If you think of OER as transparent, static, non-reusable publications related to education then I can see why you would not be excited about their generative potential. But if you think of the movement as global communities collaborating to unify, organize, interconnect, enrich, and freely share knowledge in the context of education, then you have one of the cornerstones of societal development in our generation. Thanks Sam, Using the latter description I do of course. I'm just not sure how it changes the sociall dynamic of teachers being employed to reduce students to what they know. E.g. I'm in Phuket, Thailand. So many of the students here are being educated for (lots of) jobs in the tourism industry. When i talk to the Burmese illegals who do the talking on the front of many hotels and resturants, langauge is something picked up through necessity. When I talk to the students st the unis; well I can't, because their teachers can't and English and other languages are a minor, and/or badly taught part of the curricula. So the students are unemployable (acording to my discussions around the traps) . Same in southern spain, same in Italy, same in Portugal. It's this cultural thing which every OERer is working at changing. Call it distance learning, call it teleworkhttp://www.techsource.ironbow.com/unified-communication/teleworks-achilles-heel-comes-down-to-culture/. The thing I'm aways looking for, apart from getting some cool, easy to use and lowest costs open network tools to people who are a bit set in their ways, is how to present OER content so that it's more like a zerohedge. (if you notice, this is just a scraping' from correspondents who are scattered around the web, where many of the ideas are resourced by the masthead journos, like cnbc, wsj, etc, usually after a prediction of an event comes true) The obstacle for OER today is that because not many teachers are seen to be collaborating, there's no one to learn from. And if we emphasize, resources and not collaboration the general message it sends (to an unimaginative mind) is produce. So anyone coming through aprofessional development teacher's course has the collaboration drilled out of them. The hardest thing in all of this is that people are paid to live in an institution. Naturally, they are paid to believe in certain things, like WE know what cognitive skills are. So how anyone can classify media into the two distinct boxes of education and entertainment I'll never understand. Regardless I do like the OER philosophy. You meet such nice people. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Guardian: Are OERs the key to global economic growth?
In a word, No. OERs, as the content-centric part of a philosophy which is demanding more transparency of ALL our institutions. has about the same chance as all the other opens = edu, gov, networks, software, science, etc. Taken separately, as they all are, they are isolated parts of a lovely idea. E.g. The OER concept couldn't exist if its individual projects weren't funded by some government or philanthropic organisation. So we know, as the GNP of most nations reduces, so will the funding for its well-intentioned participants' projects. The reasons for this are quite clear. OERs is simply about producing content and reducing its production, aggregation and distribution. So it misses the primary point (leaving out most ideas about an aethestic education. i.e. education for its own sake). It doesn't focus on the jobs for which an education is required. So the accountants can keep playing with their stimulus plans (as they do). But if you want a picture of economic growth over the past 4 years, this one addresses reality. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-chart-tears-apart-stimulus-package As for the picture on the other side of the Atlantic; as you know, it's much worse, especially if you're under 30 (with a degree or two or three). And that doesn't take into account the (30%) reduction in teaching wages and pensions in countries like Spain, Portugal, and Greece, or municipal bankruptcies in the US. So in light of much hard evidence, and the length of time OER projects have been running, I think WE can conclude that our institutional habits and dreams about making content freely available have become, and are becoming, increasingly irrelevant to economic growth. It seems to me, as I haven't the well-developed belief system of people of people in the political/education system, that the drivers to economic growth are provided by reasons like this. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/03/us-europe-economics-teaching-idUSBRE86207O20120703 Mind you, I treat ALL media (like the links above) as an OER. It's just the stuff which comes out of edu/research institutions which i find largely irrelevant, because it always relates to a National public employee's institution and not my (their?) Global private communities. Thankfully, they DO seem to be starting to coincide. N.B. Institutions DO matter. Just not the ones we've got today. http://www.cairn.info/article.php?ID_ARTICLE=JIE_009_0003 regards, si On Saturday, 7 July 2012 02:38:59 UTC+7, Cable Green wrote: Follow up article to the 2012 Paris OER Declarationhttp://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/33089 ... *Guardian: Are OERs the key to global economic growth?* http://www.guardian.co.uk/higher-education-network/blog/2012/jul/04/open-educational-resources-and-economic-growth Cable Cable Green, PhD Director of Global Learning Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org/education http://twitter.com/cgreen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: BYOD Bring Your Own Device working group?
Hi Valerie,
Hope you don't mind me replying here. I'm just thinking through the things
which need to added to the list.
You know I'm always banging on about networks, so this maybe a good point
to see how the deveices (the front end) and the networks which they log
onto (the back end) will come together.
The main difference in perspectives is in the 'inside the institution('s
network) approach, which we can compare to the outside in approach
(probably the most useful is to limit this perspective to the National
Research and Education Network in each country). I use NRENs because in
many countries many scholls, unis, colleges, etc are directly connected to
the NREN (or REN = Regional Education Network, which are part of a National
one). In the case of Internet2 (US) and others, many other anchor
institutions (libraries, public broadcast stations) use the same
backbone.
So, as far as the inside out approach,that 'thejournal article
illustrates the institution's network manager's approach pretty well.
So far as the outside in, we have so many wireless access point
technologies. But the primary consideration is the idea of setting up one
point or a mesh which:
1. Can make installation and maintenance easier, cheaper, faster, etc. i.e.
use 1 microcell rather than putting in so many hotspots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcell
2. Have a number of cells in each institution, which using the same
security, standards, apps, domains, etc make up a cloud of institutions.
E.g. Many universities already offer an eduroam account, so that a user can
log on to their stuff regardless of which uni (network) in the world they
may be in at the time. You can imagine the benefits if we could roam around
a country and just log on to a network (e.g. public library) to do a bit of
work, and share the same apps
I hope this isn't too far left field as i know the technical stuff bores
most of WE. But it kinda changes the thinking about where and when you
bring your own device.
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[WikiEducator] Re: Invitation for input from the WikiEducator family -- OERu design process
Hi Wayne, Just a quick note to clarify the idea of a QA answer forum. (which is good and i know is not cast in stone) One thing we are coming down to in a few other places is this idea of having a general space, from which more detailed forums can be linked; a little like a virtual common room(s), which link to 'sub rooms' (in which a course may be held). Just a suggestion. I'll just point at this environment's community teamhttp://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?228223-Introducing-The-Community-Team. sitepoint is a place for web designers/learners that's been running for about 10 years. They have meet the expert' sessions which is similar to a module (or whatever WE might call it). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: WikiEducator Office Hours
Hi Jim, Really sorry I hadn't realized you had set BBB as a webinar tool. Should have known you'd be beavering away at somethng like this. It really is hard to get into the habits of the real time world. Or getting used to the idea of having a regular place to have a chat every day/week/month. I guess the problem (with me at least) is, even though it's really nice to have a chat with some PLU's, that I don't want to waste everyones time with a bunch of stuff which is of no interest to them. Ultimately what I think we all want is a place where we can just do a bit of regular synchronized surfing. Yu know, this is what i'm doing/who I'm talking to. And maybe record, stream and archive; next to/aligned with the asynchronous 'talk'. WE're coming down to this with a few NRENs and their associations (terena, Internet2, etc), where my geekish friends are trying to get in the social mood and habit. It's a stupidity that while they/we talk about the tools for other communities, they(I) don't use them themselves. E.g. (on a recent private mail message. *It's not the technology, it's the stupid stupid details like the bloody remote control delivered with H323 units (how on earth did they get away with *that* for over 15 years?) or the licensing in the web conferencing market. Or the firewall-rulesets deployed by over-zealous security people. * There is a change in the air now. The recession in Europe has them thinking about using this stuff rather than (just) getting on a plane and doing the F2F with the usual suspects. And more importantly, acting as a broker/buyer on behalf of communities like WE who span NRENs. They're certainly getting past the point of believing that this kind of virtual roomhttp://commons.internet2.edu/virtual-meeting-rooms.htmlis affordable. So I'd really like to get some idea of WE members ideal virtual meeting room (and its spec). Can you (or anyone) point us at your ideal VR. and give us an idea of the kind of functionality which you'd want as a community manager. That said. I know WE's primary objective is to make (edu) credentials affordable. But we do seem missing the fact that there are jobs going begginghttp://mathew.blogactiv.eu/2009/06/29/vacancy-eu-online-community-manager/%20at the moment, and we have neither the tools or curricula to fill them. Bit of a catch 22, eh? What comes first; the tools or the curricula for them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: The Economist: Editorial Supporting Open Access to Taxpayer Funded Research
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/world-bank-decides-to-make-its-research-open-access.ars?clicked=related_right On Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:43:59 UTC+10, Cable Green wrote: http://www.economist.com/node/21552574 Academic publishing Open sesame When research is funded by the taxpayer or by charities, the results should be available to all without charge Apr 14th 2012 | from the print edition - Thanks to Heather Joseph from SPARC for the heads up. Well done! Cable -- Cable Green, PhD Director of Global Learning Creative Commons http://creativecommons.org/education http://twitter.com/cgreen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Free learning towards credible credentials: OERu contribution for Open Education Week
Pity you're not makng it to the web session, although the fireside address is welcome. Seems the dutch will be using this event to start pushing on OCWC europe which is good. http://opencourseware.eu/OpenEducationEvent2012 The Courseware people don't have the same interest in developing credentials, especially with their unis offering degrees today which, for 1 in 2 grads, entitle them to join the EU unemployment lines. But one initiative complements the other. Delft uni (and Anka, and Fred, Mulder) is absolutely paramount in helping OERu progress, so far as bringing the infrastructure and content parrallel universes together. E.g. I hope you'll mention (and use) eduroam in your travels. Holland is one country where, due to the surf sisters, the institutional/national walls aren't so rigid. http://www.surffoundation.nl/en/oversurf/Pages/Default.aspx The association for the european NRENs is in the same town and the EC (Brussels bubble) is down the road. You'd understand that the EC is the biggest (public) research funder in the world, so it tends to act as a hub for global RE developments. Now that the EU is (officially) in recession, so many public employees, including teachers, have an incentive to change their habits rather than just writing reports or going to conferences (from which they never report). E.g. http://www.social-europe.eu/2011/09/greece-to-sack-15-public-sector-workers-for-the-sake-of-our-children/ It's going to be interesting to see this change, from representative to participatory, government evolve. But i don't think any institution will be handing out credentials for the free education :) All the best, si On Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:51:37 AM UTC+11, Wayne Mackintosh wrote: Hi Everyone, Unfortunately I find myself travelling for most of Open Education Weekhttp://www.openeducationweek.org/ (5- 10 March 2012) and will not be able to participate in the live sessions :-(. Nonetheless, I wanted to make a contribution to this important global event. I recorded a short video to share and profile the decisive leadership of the OERu founding anchor partnershttp://wikieducator.org/OER_university/2011.11_Founding_OERTen_anchor_partner_statementswho are taking action to widen access to formal education for all learners using OER courses with pathways to achieve credible degrees. I posted the *short video* http://wikieducator.org/OER_university on the OERu homepage: http://wikieducator.org/OER_university Hopefully Open Education Week will inspire other institutions to follow the example of the OERu anchor partners and take up their responsibility to lead more sustainable education futures. Working together, we can provide free learning opportunities for all students worldwide, especially those learners who would like access to a post-secondary education but are currently excluded from the formal sector. Don't forget about the OERu webinar session hosted by the University of Leicester : *Tues 6 March, 9.30-11am UK time*: Jim Taylor (University of Southern Queensland, an OERu Anchor Partner), Grainne Conole (University of Leicester) and Vasi Doncheva (Northtec Polytechnic, New Zealand – an OERu Anchor Partner) Register your seat today: http://goo.gl/ITeyy See full programme: http://toucansproject.wordpress.com/2012/02/09/webinars/ -- Wayne Mackintosh http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg, Ph.D. Director OER Foundation http://www.oerfoundation.org Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. Founder and elected Community Council Member, WikiEducatorhttp://www.wikieducator.org Mobile +64 21 2436 380 Skype: WGMNZ1 Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg | identi.cahttp://identi.ca/waynemackintosh Wikiblog http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg/Blog On Saturday, February 25, 2012 11:51:37 AM UTC+11, Wayne Mackintosh wrote: Hi Everyone, Unfortunately I find myself travelling for most of Open Education Weekhttp://www.openeducationweek.org/ (5- 10 March 2012) and will not be able to participate in the live sessions :-(. Nonetheless, I wanted to make a contribution to this important global event. I recorded a short video to share and profile the decisive leadership of the OERu founding anchor partnershttp://wikieducator.org/OER_university/2011.11_Founding_OERTen_anchor_partner_statementswho are taking action to widen access to formal education for all learners using OER courses with pathways to achieve credible degrees. I posted the *short video* http://wikieducator.org/OER_university on the OERu homepage: http://wikieducator.org/OER_university Hopefully Open Education Week will inspire other institutions to follow the example of the OERu anchor partners and take up their responsibility to lead more sustainable education futures. Working together, we can provide free learning opportunities for all students
[WikiEducator] Re: Open Education Week: University of Leicester to host a webinar on the OERu
Hi Wayne, I did start to do my usual. i.e. act as the advertising manager for remote OE events and do some cross pollinating between the silos. So I checked out http://www.openeducationweek.org/category/localevents/ which is pretty disheartening. Then I noticed the twitter feed, which seems to be good (modern) way to aggregate local events. openeducationwk We've still got a problem in that many people are promoting their event without offering a link to their events site. I take it this meena from OCWC is running this account. I did a search on twitter on the hashtag and their are lots. Perhaps you might ask her to do a search on twitter and pick out the eyes (the) events in all the postings while promoting this one. You know my interest is in the development of the (inter-institutional) infrastructure, which never gets progressed because no one looks at little one off events like this and considers how, with a little collaboration, we could bring the various attendees (and viewers) together' or at least their content, and real time stuff (like webinars). I'm just going through the events I can see and looking for who is streaming. Seems the Dutch are the one and onlys. So you'll understand how frustrating it is for me, as i talk to the individual NREN media guys, who talk to their National institutions, many of which have their own collegerama. http://opencourseware.eu/OpenEducationEvent2012 Whereas what the OERu does want is one interactive global TV channel for each topic/subject/series of events. That's why your Dunedin planning meeting was so exciting for me. OK, like all these openeducationweek events, it was an ad hoc and appeared in one little time and space. But we need some way to bring them to one time and space (URL) so that we can get the new infrastructure between institutional/national networks in place, and save the duplication in talk/content and geek stuff. Slowly, slowly. Perhaps next time during an openeducationweek we can include the network managers in the talk before it starts, so we can get a spec in place. All the best, si P.S. I'll point yu at this one, so you've got some idea of how the map looks to these guys (from a Euro perspective). http://www.geant.net/Network/RandE/Pages/home.aspx All these end users. Each in their little domains. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: children philosophy curriculum
Some interesting comments here. I'd tend to steer away from this one - i am trying to apply a phd program from USA which focos more on spiritual development of children - if only because it's a typical problem' i.e. people tend to conflate philosophy with their religious ideals. Obviously I'd have to read the curriculum but spiritual development sounds like religious instruction to me. I do like things like a read through my illustrated Encyclopedia of Mythology. It seems to get some interest from 6 to 18 yr olds. But any form of philosophic guidence needs to be approached using tools relevant to the child, so this approachhttp://www.pbs.org/mediashift/2012/02/epistemic-games-are-the-future-of-learning-letting-students-role-play-professions037.htmlmight b attractive these days. So far as a comparison which seems to get a rise out of the economically obsessed, I find comparing Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations with his Theory of Moral Sentiments gets a few young (teen) brain cells ticking. There was one quote I learnt so long ago i can't remember who wrote it. If a person thinks they can teach philosophy, they don't understand the art. All they can do is impart their own. That's probably why it's always such a subversive and powerful discipline. Maybe we should be employing more elephants:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Only a few days left to register for free online workshop. #OCL4Ed starts Monday 23 Jan 2012
THAT'S GREAT. Sounds like, with a demand like this, you've identified one lesson on an open educationalist's curriculum. I was surprised not to see the OERu on this list though. http://www.openeducationweek.org/ Or are you hiding this lesson up your sleeve, with the idea of introducing it as a webinar during the event? You notice that there are only two NRENs on the list so far. SURF (Nederlands) and JISC (in the UK, who work with JANET). You might want to ask if the KAREN guys are aware of it. We're starting a discussion over at terena (the association for the euro networks), about the kind of tools OERuers might want. Not such a hard thing when I can point them at this seminar ( bccampus) as examples. Hopefully, you might have a few late attendees from the geek world. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: What should be the ideal pathway for establishment of virtual institute
OK, Just so we don't add to the plethora of misunderstandings, let's use VO.edu as our starting point. So long as we agree that (disciplinary centric) researchers are trying to let their communities of interest into their virtual labs (occasionally), while educators are attempting to compile OE materials in various language specific sites, which can be shared between institutions, we should be able to identify the common features of a VO.edu . We can use LIGO as an example of the former, and WE as an example of the latter. If you accept this conception of the evolution of VO.edu's then the first thing we can determine is that they need to choose a fixed spot in cyberspace - a domain - which can be used as the hub for a disciplinary centric group. The aim is to use the domain, not only as a place to aggregate materials and support a community's communications, but also to act as the community's long term archive. The next step is to consider the tools which a particular community will prefer. These will need to be aggregated at the domain. We are fortunate to see this evolving in the WE space, where we have seen http://moodle.wikieducator.org/login/index.php added recently. Like most domains,* the primary tool* - a wiki in this case- is used as the domain's index, so it's unlikely that you'll see wiki.wikieducator.og/login/index.php, even if it is the logical approach to standardizing the domain's tool directory. It's more intutiive this way as the community has evolved around the domain's *primary tool's logic*. Once the tools are agreed the community can commence work. There is a plethora of what is considered the primary tool but in the edu space this will likely be an open source application. I'll also note that if a VO.edu is coming from the Research space, then the primary virtual tools won't even be seen - they are on a network which spans the partner institutions - although the domain(s) hub(s) will normally provide access to them. E.g. lsc/internal (top right) on http://www.ligo.org/ takes you through to an access point which is being run out of uwm.edu. So it seems uwm are providing the access services to the virtual labs. You can also see the two institutions which host the grunt are MIT and Caltech. And no, I've have little idea about what LIGO is all about. But I have had a play:) http://www.ligo.org/students_teachers_public/activities.php I hope I have have made three things apparent with this rave. 1. The absolute starting point is choosing *the language's* domain/archive, and it seems logical that this would be the same in different country domains. So, E.g., wikieducator might host an English version at wikieducator.edu, but wikieducator.edu.in would be in Urdu/Hindi(?), and so on. 2. The second point is in choosing the *disciplinary group's*domain/archive. We're beginning a talk amongst the National RE network engineers about coming up with a directory which can point at, in the WE community's case, the disciplinary groups (domains) which span OER physical institutions - where the domains can aggregate content and provide access to various tools; some real time, some asynchronous. The domain can stay in situ even after a project finishes/takes a break. 3. The third point, which isn't apparent, is the idea of using institutional credentials as a sign on to (all applications at) shared VO.edu domains. This is a Level of Access issue where, as we can see from the LIGO example, insiders will be allowed deeper access than outsiders. Let me finish off by mentioning one more thing, especially as you are aiming to compile content so that potential virtual institute stakeholders have a *starting poin*t in such a wide world of jargon paradoxes. To be blunt (as usual), *you can't*. There's a lot of jargon out there, which is why I've been pedantic and elaborated on *VO.edu*, if only to separate the concept from VO.gov, which is a parrallel universe contending with the same issue of reinventing publicly-funded institutions. We're in danger (by just compiling content) to end up teaching where WE are trying to encourage those who want to share their learning out of the woodwork. (which comes down to including learners, as you've suggested) The wonderful thing about what Wayne has inspired is that both an institutionalist (one who considers themselves just an employee of a National institution) and ex-institutionalist (0ne who considers themselves a member of an Global VO.edu) are offered a starting point. If one is an institutionalist then the aim is to encourage their institution to join the OER partnership. Here is the starting point. http://wikieducator.org/OER_university/2011.11_OERu_Anchor_Partner_Meeting If one has a larger perspective, then the starting point is in advertising, or participating in, the events which *an individual* must experience in order to understand the institutional habits of an evolving VO.edu.
[WikiEducator] Re: What should be the ideal pathway for establishment of virtual institute
Hi Ravi, I should point out one thing. In UK/Nth Europe and cross Atlantic, they talk about Virtual OrganiZations (VO) The Z is important if you're Googling. This is mainly used for Research Orgs. But as we see Research communities reach out to include their communities of interest, there' s a continuous change in the way both share the same networks and applications/services. LIGO's a good examplehttp://www.ligo.caltech.edu/laac/of attaching a virtual classroom to the research community's hub. So far as an Indian-based (real) organisation in the education space, Educomp http://www.educomp.com/Products/EducompOnline.aspx, the owners of WiZiQ, are probably the most influential on the subcontinent. I'm pointing you at their new(ish) turnkey solution page. Obviously there are real tensions between publicly funded, and private owned, educational institutions in all countries. In India it seems the private ones are compensating very well for the degeneration of the public institutions. (It's easier to address individual markets than change institutional behaviours.) There is every shade of grey in the approaches between public (OERu) initiatives and the private (turnkey) offerings. I'm not sure how you can include a VO's *philosophy* in the issues but it seems to be one issue which is always glossed over in the public arena, and unnecessary in a private one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: #OCL4ED achieves our 3rd century -- Meet Cable Green who will join us as co-facilitator
Just so we don't spam different communities. Just did a promo on Educause, and submitted to Media Learning LinkedIn groups -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: OERu most noticeable development in OER for 2011
Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah all, It certainly has been a watershed year, for all sorts of OERers. Nice to see a reference to Tony pop up. His blog is one of my bookmarks as well. He's been influential on my thoughts too, along with his countryman Bill. Tony for the content and process, Bill for the infrastructure and architecture (of this new institution being created). There's still very little consideration given to the latter as we try and figure out the sustainable business case. But this will give you some idea of the money which the network guys have saved institutionshttp://billstarnaud.blogspot.com/2011/09/r-networks-once-again-revolutionizing.html%20in shifting content between people in the institutional silos (90%!). Hopefully we can bring the remote universes together this coming year. The highlight for me this year was the planning meeting/workshop. A bit messy but it was the best attempt *I've seen* at including viewers in a F2F meeting. Done on a shoestring too, which was pretty imaginative. As this approach gains traction (as so many just talk about it) and becomes a norm, we might see the kind of (open classroom) institution which so any have in mind. (*flipping the classroom* is the Nth American jargon, although *opening closed workshops* is a better description). 2012 appears to be the year where things will change rapidly. Recessions, and this one looks like a doozy, will force the habituated to change their beliefs about delivering an education. It's pretty obvious, to anyone who tracks the unemployed graduate stats, that the OERU wil come into it's own, if for no other reason than to reduce duplication and costs. Illustrating an open and inclusive culture (by just doing it) being OERu's unique attraction. I think that we're still in need of a little orientation though. The focus on credentials is of no interest to the many (potential vols) who already have one (or three) and can't find a job. (40% in Spain rising rapidly is the most stunning stat) But as the planning meeting/workshops become more professional and systemized we can expect interested viewers, especially the ones in gov departments who have been charged with encouraging participatory democrarcy, to be attracted, and hopefully learn. So the team approach is critical (at present it's Wayne and Vasi). 5 moderators, from 5 institutions, looking after specific threads, appears to be the model (if publicly funded institutions take on the same form of privately owned online forums). So far as sustainability is concerned, you might be interested in a conversation called goog_1808467885*Exploring open access in higher education http://www.facebook.com/groups/197860856892050/328878073790327/ *over at my *digitalcollaboration *facebook group. Enough for now. It's time to take some time out and spend some time with friends and family, and forget the so called intellectual pursuits*. Have a safe and lazy holiday period. All my best for the new year. simon * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] OERu most noticeable development in OER for 2011
Hi Randy, I'll admit it's nice to see a lot of money thrown at a specific task, especially if it comes from a private purse is for the public good. But, as i read Tony's last entry and consider his perspective, the big difference is that the initiatives you point at are so parochial, and don't advance the open approach. Certainly they will save a lot of money on the physical stuff and that's great. But as Carol Twigg, CEO and president of the National Center for Academic Transformation, might say, the problem with initiatives that simply aim at producing resources is that they can tend to become just another repository scheme.http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/12/07/khan-academy-ponders-what-it-can-teach-higher-education-establishment The biggest problem we do have at the moment is not a lack of learning resources but a culture which brings together people who are working on (researching/educating/learning) the same/similar thing(s); or at least has them looking for global peers with who(m) they can co-produce (one resource well, not many times half-baked). The concept of spoon feeding, using content which outdated on it's publication date, is not a pedagogy for the times we live in. Even the formats in which these resources are produced often appear pretty dated; text and graphics on a static page is OK but colour and movement are now the social norm. Just as importantly people don't just want a piece of media put in front of them. They want to be/feel involved with what's going on, regardless of age. Until then all they can do is point at repositories, whose librarians or community are nowhere to be found. Pretty dull eh? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Senior executives and OERu thought leaders answer questions on issues and opportunities
*innovation is creativity successfully implemented. *Yeah, that's good. *All things to all people is always a temptation that needs to avoided. *That tweet ***Can't help but wonder if this meeting of #oeru is similar to a meeting that drafts the constitution of a new country *says it all as far as I'm concerned. It's been funny watching you (and Jim) do on a shoestring what my network mates can't do with their huge bandwidth and apps. Although to be fair, they're experimenting as they do a meet. this was their recent result. http://tv.campusdomar.es/serial/index/id/51 I've pointed to the draft of their next 2 years Terms of reference, which I'm re-editing. http://wikieducator.org/Global_Learning_Network_IT_Infrastructure So far as the backend is concerned - the networks which tie continents together and allow the people on them to communicate share - they're getting close to having a dawning experience. It's been quite tiring over the past 3 years being meat in the sandwich between (as I call them) cheesemakers and mousetrap builders. The main thing I'm tryng to come to terms with now is how we have people like yourself share a domain rather than doing their own thing. I have this same discussion with peter@ terena who is across 24 european NRENs. And Ben who is across Internet2. And the secretariatal guys at APAN, their equivilant association in Asia Pacific NRENs, an so on. Thankfully, I can point them at OERu and say these are the customers (i.e. global groups), not the (national) institutions in which they live. The network walls are reforming, slowly of course. But it's hard work getting people to think outside their squares. So it'll be interesting as people like David Porter, Jim and Glen start to scope what's in their heads. The model i can see is just the same as bccampus, just bigger (with OS apps, from your perspective). But that's just technology. What is far more important is is finding a way to clone you. It's either that or leave a few brain cells to some of my medical mates. Look after yourself, si. PS Or you could also offer a course in community building. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Senior executives and OERu thought leaders answer questions on issues and opportunities
I always find that good minds underestimate themselves. I'm not sorry to say that you do too. Mind you, considering your work pace, you've gotta say enough sometiimes. You've got your feet planted firmly on the ground; with the head not (yet) in the clouds. And thank God for that. Just give it time. The penny will drop. As you've pointed out, the aim is to provide easy ways to integrate OERu learning resource (at one domain I would think) which we can deliver to any LMS from WikiEducator (which is the domain you're going to integrate at, I would think). You can host the domain anywhere. If you do it at an IP address which is accessible via a federation's memberships institutional account, you have your network. Probably saved yourself a lot of hosting and bandwidth charges as well. We can't stop the slow evolution of the new network model. i.e. sharing apps on an open network; any more than the OERu members want to share their content (at the moment) on separate ones. One is a federation of (access to) shared content, the other a federation of (access to) shared applications=services. The network federation guys have done their thing, so far as their little (National/ANZ) perspectives are concerned. And they are floundering because most content communities expect them to look outside their National domains and say, we're a global community. (look at out get togethers!) From my perspective you are one of the leaders in the art of open governance, which is quite an imaginative art. If you'd like to see what one of your peers in the .gov.au space is doing, it's here. http://digiculture.wikispaces.com/ You can see the commonality in approaches (on a national basis, not global like your own). So let's not rush at this. As I track down others peers in different countries, the commonality in the tools they prefer to use becomes more apparent. You know how de Bono's ah ha effect works. The logic of a new model is perfectly obvious once all the pieces are understood. BTW. Most community's same the same thing. Bring your partners to the table. We don't have the resources. Most of the time that's only because they don't understand how networks work and what is possible. e.g. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC/S00035/internet2-and-ipv6-provide-new-opportunities-for-music.htm But hey! We're all learning. (in the art of open governance) me especially. All the best. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Senior executives and OERu thought leaders answer questions on issues and opportunities
I'd like to focus on this one by Jim at USQ. What about the cost of existing institutional licensing agreements with (i)the vendors of LMS software and (ii) publishers who provide access to e-library resources, including full text e-content? These financial agreements are usually a function of the number of seats which are provided *only* for an agreed number of officially registered mainstream students *The suggested solution to these potentially problematic issues is to offer OERu courses (based solely on OER and embracing the pedagogy of discovery) via Moodle on WikiEducator thereby avoiding financial and administrative system interface complexities. * Statement: One primary role for OERu in all of this is that it becomes a services provider/broker to various Access federations. Hosting a Moodle on the Wikieducator *domain* is a logical approach, just as it does a wiki at the moment. Other open source applications would naturally follow (depending on the communities' wants). We can see the usual (institutional- centric) approach as SUNY begins to outsource its Moodle needs to MoodleRooms, as a host, in a cloud. This institutional centric approach is something aggregators like bccampus already aim to overcome by brokering, on behalf of a number of institutions, relationships with commercial service providers like Adobe, Elluminate as well as hosting opensource apps like Moodle. http://www.bccampus.ca/partnerships/ I've been suggesting that one of OERu's role is to act as the broker between National access federations like the aaf as well as other smaller (state wide) ones like bccampus. USQ, for example, is already a member of the ANZ federation. http://www.aaf.edu.au/subscribe/subscribers/ They share access to a range of *catalogu*ed services with other institutional subscribers. I can't see any reason why wikieducator/OERu services wouldn't be hosted in the aaf cloud, and could be spread from there. National Access Federations all share one primary focus = to enable * National* institutions to share services=apps. They all do this on an uncoordinated (between federations) basis already. So each national federation has their separate list of service providers. https://refeds.terena.org/index.php/Federations At present Access federations are attempting to work though how they share services (i.e. ConFederate) on a global basis. The focus for these activities always comes down to focussing on a Virtual Organisation, of which OERu is one of the few global ones. OERu is the only I've seen that works in the common services space (moodles wikis, etc). Most others are based around large specialised research production networks like the Hadron Collider. So, as I see it, one of OERu's roles in developing an International network is being the entity which aggregates a range of services under the one domain, which will be common to all access federations; An honest broker if you will. The main services (in such a platform) will be the kind that will support these governance meetings. WE have seen during this open meeting that there is there a model where students get some recognition that is perhaps skills / outcomes based that is not as bound by governance and accreditation (as mentioned by SNHU, even if their names haven't been mentioned so far:). It's based on, not only capturing/distributing these open governance meetings on a(n increasingly) professional basis, but also working through the development/Confederation of (open access) platforms, which will include other institutions. (if for no other reason than it saves duplication and money) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Brewing a perfect OER storm for the future of post-secondary education.
These open meetings provide professional development opportunities which at the same time contribute to future success of the model. Yup! They also help to make clear how the open infrastructure is going to save institutions a heap of pennies. Nice thing is we don't have to look to hard as to how these shared services will work. https://abt.onlinecollaborative.ca/explore/how-does-it-work.jsp Institutions can share the same space tools content. https://abt.onlinecollaborative.ca/explore/participating-institutions.jsp The question then is how do (let's call them) the OERu AMIGOS choose the preferred tools so we can support a few million students/teachers globally. I look at my wish list and it looks a little like an open version of this platform. http://www.polycom.com/products/uc_infrastructure/realpresence_platform/index.html Look, rather than talking about a range of technical what ifs, let me just copy and paste the latest email from terena's taskforce for media. Their members are, I hope, the yin to the OERu's yang. I'll also note this blog entry as it points out why institutions need the NREN mousetrap builders. http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com/2011/09/r-networks-once-again-revolutionizing.html We already know why they need the OERu AMIGOS. They actually collaborate, with any available technology. Arriba! -Original Message- From: Peter Szegedi [mailto:szegedi @terena.org] Sent: Thursday, 10 November 2011 6:46 PM To: tf-media@ terena.org Subject: [tf-media] Input to the new TF-Media Terms of Reference!!! Dear TF-Media participants, I need your input to update the ToR of the TF-Media task force for the new term. - Firstly, I'd like to know if the list of work items below covers all the topics and issues that you would like to discuss under the task force. If you have a new proposal please let me/us know ASAP. - Secondly, I'd like to know if you (on behalf of your organisation) are willing to support/contribute any of the work items below. If you think that the discussion (potential actions, outcomes) of a specific work items helps you with your daily job or gives you the long-term vision please confirm that your organisation can be listed under that work item. - Thirdly, if you feel that you can volunteer to lead one of the work items, please let me know ASAP. *Deadline: 22 Nov 2011* To be pragmatic, I'll take the list of supporters from the old ToR (if no objections) and amend it with potential new ones. The list is: NREN participants: CARnet, CESNET, CSC/Funet, FCCN, GRNET, HEAnet, JANET(UK), NIIF, PSNC/PIONEER, RedIRIS, SURFnet, SWITCH, UNI-C, UNINETT Academic participants: ETH Zurich, Universidad de Vigo, Østfold University College, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Université Pierre et Marie Curie (UPMC), University of Cambridge (CARET), University of Porto, University of Nottingham, Universidad Politécnica de Valencia, CINECA InterUniversity Consortium New ones (to be added): IUCC, Level3, ISEP, ... On 31/10/2011 11:42, Peter Szegedi wrote: The proposal is as follows: Revised focus: *TF-Media - Applied Media in Teaching and Learning* Chairman: Andy, SWITCH 1) Metadata and repositories (Otto, UNINETT / Fonta, RedIRIS), IUCC – Feasibility check – Content and sharing – Search 2) From Media to Learning Objects (Eli, IUCC / Antonio, ISEP) – support for e‐learning – Pedagogical implementations – Video/Web Conferencing – Legal and copyright aspects, Creative Commons 3) Back‐end systems (Frans, SURFnet), Level3 – Platform development – Distribution and live streaming – MediaMosa governance – Media services in the cloud 4) Lecture recording and enrichment (Vicente, UVigo) – Best practices, collection on WikiPedia – Open formats and licenses – Automated/Mobile lecture recording – Select the next technology 5) Promotions and PR (Andy, SWITCH / Peter, TERENA) – Various target groups – Liaisons More can be fond here: http://www.terena.org/activities/media/meeting5/slides/111028-outcome.pdf Cheers, Peter - Project Development Officer TERENA Secretariat Singel 468D, 1017AW Amsterdam The Netherlands T: +31 20 530 4488 F: +31 20 530 4499 http://www.terena.org - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Brewing a perfect OER storm for the future of post-secondary education.
I've only one thing to say to you and the team. *That was terrific! *I doubt if people understand the complexities of trying to do a live cross, especially when yu have so many people in the one room. Sound was good (except when splitting the video signal, as we discovered. The audio halved in volume) Good video. Some nice cuts and only missed the presentation screen a few times. But on the whole it was a pleasure to watch the stream. ( I had to catch it after it had been recorded as I'm at the end of the internet on an island in malaysia and it was stuttering live. But I doubt if many others would have had that problem. It'll probably take a few more times before the interactive stuff really comes into it's own. But just so nice to see. So who should we be saying thanks to? Just Jim? Seemed like there were a few others, including our friends at bccampus. I don't know about a perfect storm. That'll take a bit more coordination between a few remote networks. But the wind's up now and it'll be impossible to put it back in the bottle. Hope you've got a life jacket:) * * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook
Thanks Steve, I'm glad you changed the header of this one as it's THE most important discussion WE can have. This belief of being able to change a fundamentally flawed (education) system by competition is possibly the thing which retains the status quo. Your logic is that user pays so a better educational institution enables users to change the flawed system by voting with their feet. Students don't have money, so can't pay, so they can't fix the flaws (or corruptions in the case of much of the developing world. E.g. A teaching job at a high school in Thailand costs around 100,000 baht if you don't have teaching credentials. (according to my informed source here). If you use the Greek experience, where public jobs are guaranteed by the constitution, you'd understand why they're now reducing retired teachers' pensions by 30%. The same lesson is coming for the rest of the world next year. Unis, as the bastions of Research and (H)Education can now be seen to be another bureaucractic arm of governments, who have short term committments. So I'd argue that it's not that one country's (H)E system is fundamentally flawed, it's that they all are to some degree. (excuse the pun) I'll use the OEF Logic Model as an illustration. The model points to credentials as the system's output. Logically, if the system worked correctly, these credentials would be attuned to prepare a student for a job (leaving out any appreciation of aethestics which they might gain). These days they, to an rapidly increasing degree, don't. I'm monitoring the unemployment stats of graduates; Spain, where it's close to 50%, appears to lead this down hill race. But you can see the rampant credentialism in most parts of the world. E.g. a Masters for a call centre operator in Bangalore, a PhD for their manager. You might know the number of grads at Starbucks. I think you, Jim and your progressive global peers have a fundamental role to play in all of this. Primarily as you have the technical knowledge and artistic appreciation (interface design) AND drive to understand what might be possible if the fire-wall didn't stop at the institutional ones. You only have to look at Internet2's communities to see the push going on, and questions like this being asked. https://blogs.internet2.edu/archives/123 I know that there is really no such thing as an Institutional human firewall. I joked to my friend (from an NREN) who said it, bit like you and the other National firewalls, eh?. The term is gatekeepers in the librarians' communities. It's a prob handling this paradigm shift. Everyone has to take a step up. InstitutionalNationalInternational, while still retaining their sense of community/identity. Thanks goodness WE have that. All the best, si. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Multimedia Course
That's Good Ravi, No sure where I should put this. http://www.sae.edu/reference_material/ Maybe we should have a reference material/library. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook
You have no idea how often I said get their act into gear, until I got to understand their position. It's not that anyone wants to be a firewall. It's simply that just as the network architecture moved from mainframe/dumb terminal to client/server a few decades ago, now it's moving to this new cloudy model called (say) Single sign on/participation platform. The result of this change is to 'disintermediate' the guys who run network services for institutions. The NREN guys - who connect unis Nationally and (can) provide them with (federated) services - are simply attuned to getting feedback from these engineers who represent their local institution's users - not groups of global (disciplinary) users, from lots of different institutions, with different languages, little techo knowledge, and expectations of user-friendly interfaces.There's a large gap in understanding and capability. This is new when talking about basic (general) services, of which inter-national social networks point the way. Usually, when NRENs collaborate talk to a particular group of users, they focus on the high powered Research users. This will give yu an idea from a pan Euro perpective. http://www.geant.net/Users/pages/home.aspx If you want a global perspective. http://www.glif.is/apps/ N.B. one useful general service which you might use is eduroam, where you use your institutional (Otago) credentials to get wireless access at any participating institution in the world. Now there's a soul search going on in NRENs globally to try and build these kinds of general services demanded by Global OER-type communities. The problem, as I can see, is that we have yet to to see the formation of an association of 'uni of open' (UofO) users who can describe the combination of Research/Education services which they need to share, using their institutional credentials, regardless of where they be. We know OEF, OCWC and other UofA's (whose advisory boards are often shared) are the drivers here. Whether their participants gain credentials (i must say) is immaterial (to me). My primary concern for them is that they gain jobs. When I look around the horizon, doing a google on (online) community manager, I can see a similar growth trend to call centre operators in the 1990s. The difference is that this role can't be outsourced - script readers need not apply - and these operators must *be seen to* work in global teams (in order to illustrate the required culture). I suppose people in education would call this work place an LMS. People in research call it Virtual Organisation. People In government call it the Public Sphere. But I think the required spec is similar. Boy, we've come a long way from Wikieducator is now on FB. But it seems the right place. I don't mind playing with kiddies on their platform; in fact I do. But there comes a time where we must put off childish ways; just the tools, not the culture. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook
That's good. I'm with you here. But it's s different on the other side of the Atlantic, and the developing world of course. Don't find many for-profits, unless it's the big brands. It's very 'user pays' at your/my end. It's 'public right' elsewhere, including the OE world. We have these expectations created by the web, and the institutionlized users of public institutions haven't a clue of how to have a discussion with their ISP = NREN. And vice versa. All these high priests/human firewalls in the way. It's sad, but it's what one of my correspondents - a director of apps for an NREN - calls them. They all know it's coming. i.e. Commoditization of services - with the institution's email as the first to go into the (google's) cloud. So, failing to see a future, wouldn't you join a rearguard faction? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook
That's a nice one to hear. She's in an interesting position with her company ATiT being in Belguim. And across (now and past) so many projects like MEDEA and EUscreen,as well as the edu ones like http://www.e-view-project.eu/ and visced. So her experience will span our two perspectives. I'll be interested to see if you can open the talk up. i.e. get the nervous euros above the radar a la the OER culture. It's changing of course, as more get encourage by people like you and sally her team. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Writing the history of OERu futures ....
Nice backgound, So that means the agenda for the OERu meeting, using the SCOPE summary is ; OERu Questions Challenges How to develop the course materials for learners globally? Providing not only free education but free authentic, valid and reliable certification too. Leaners may need to pay for credential services unless national governments provide grants to cover these costs through the state education system. Finding a free online platform or specifying that learning materials for the OER university be developed (or converted) into open file formats that are equally accessible by a variety of Learning Management Systems (LMSs). OER have to be available or at least readily convertible to low tech, pencil and paper, or printbased materials. Institutions will not move toward an OERu strategy unless they see a clear benefit for themselves. Does OERu need to be a parallel higher education universe? Develop low-overhead quality and accreditation systems building an entirely new model rather than adapting the old one. The concept of an OER-university is an innovation and a major one for the education globally. Individual and organisational adoption will depend on the current concerns and benefits of this innovation for them. Be more creative. Start without thinking about existing systems and courses. Rethink units of learning. OERu needs to be younger and bolder. We need to get our heads into being 15 to 25 again. We already have a critical mass to at least get one degree operational. Only one question. What is the first degree? It would be nice to put these seprarate discussions up. I'd love to be pointing a few parallel universes at them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook
Hi patrcia, You wouldn't like to pop in on the Educause group on LinkedIn would you? It's getting to be a bit of problem with all these remote channels being built around brands like 'wikieducator'. The discussion by other global communty builders isn't hard to find. The discussion is top of the pops on educause at the moment. looking for Panelists All the best, simon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
Re: [WikiEducator] Re: Join WikiEducator also on Facebook
Hiya, Well, looking at their next get together, where CIO still play the high priests, it hasn't changed that much. But you know how it works. One can't change an institution from the outside. BTW. Ive found someone who you'd love. http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=1616693authType=nameauthToken=henq (across the waters) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Opening education -- taking OER to the next level (LIVE Stream)
Hi Wayne, I'm reading this from within the new Google+ layout, so excuse me while i'm getting orientated. I had hoped that Google+ would have offered a way for groups to auto create circles. No. So I've set up a wikieductor circle and added you and Jim. But you're the driver. I know Jim's set his 'office hours' up. What I can't figure out is how we share the one circle and hangout. It would be nice if we could try and use a hangout to stream from, and maybe use as an office hours' workshop space before, during and after the events. i.e. open your laptop, put it under whoever's talking nose, and stream to people in, and outside, the hangout. Google are going to be offering the ability to record the streamhttp://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/09/google-92-93-94-95-96-97-98-99-100.htmlbefore much longer. But in the meantime it would be nice to have a play. Things are moving pretty fast now. I'll point you at my mate, Peter's,presentation to a group of network people http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/events/cf/ss0911/item-display.cfm?id=7096in Brussels this week. You'd might understand, looking at Fig 3 on his presentation, that OERers are at the top level = software as a service, while these guys are trying to figure out what combination of apps, on a Platform, will advance the OER agenda = shared archived/stored in a cloud. You'll be looking at the content as much as they look at the Platform which might host/share it. Never the twain shall meet. So far. Eventually OERers will want to sign in, using their institutional log on, to a range of Global) services which they can use and share - some commercial - like Google's groups and +, some more attuned to their own particular (disciplinary) community. They'll also want a commons which everyone, teachers and students, can share to build interesting and entertaining courses. So I'll point to this conferencehttp://www.terena.org/activities/tf-msp/meetings/20110919/last week, and the SURFconexthttp://www.terena.org/activities/tf-msp/meetings/20110919/SURFconext.pdfdoc in particular. We're very close to having our NRENs come up with a way to support global OER communties by coordinating the 'confederation' of a range of services. But they do need some OERers/OCWCers(?) to spec what they want. And Brussels is offering pennies to find out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: iFrames in WikiEducator
Hi Michael, Re: the jumble on the page, yep. But I do like to see if any of these widgets has legs. Thanks for this. I'll keep staring at it from time to time until I see what order might be the best orientation/layout. It is interesting to note that you are comfortable with sending me an email to modify the page, rather than actually hacking the wiki. This is one issue I think we all struggle with when using wikis - encouraging others to actually make changes. I know it is true for my students working with the wiki and I suspect for many using wiki- educator as well. Please feel free to modify the page :) What me change my habits! Guilty as charged sir. Give me a bit. Wikis are cumbersome. I'm more at home editing videos. It's only that I'm across a lot of overlapping conversations (in lots of languages) and this WC3 doc popped up because I was thinking about how the OER foundation and many other related open access initiatives might come together. E.g. http://www.w3.org/community/ There's a lot of community building going on around the traps, each with their preferred (singular) tool and approach. I agree with you about successful content on wikis being set up as a complete project. The problem we do have in the edu and gov worlds is getting global groups/communities together. Obviously everyone has a preference for tools, and until now that's been a main aggregator. Getting an attractive (easy to use) combination together is difficult.There's also a discussion going on over at wikimedia foundation about the different policies that are required for wikiuni = one open to everyone, one for specialized peers. Trying to figure out where a social network finishes and an LMS starts is quite a challenge, eh? Anyway, thanks for this page. It's one that I'll use as a mental anchor. Cheers, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: iFrames in WikiEducator
Hi Michael, Some neat suggestions. This is all your fault :) Now you've got me thinking abut parrallel evolutions. I've been doing a bit of revision. Yu might want to add another frame to the page. http://www.w3.org/wiki/The_history_of_the_Web This one's nice as it gives you the inventor's perspective. I'll have to give a bit of thought as to how the frames page might be laid out. As timmy knows, not everyone starts at the beginning. Most of us come in half way through. Begin at the beginning, the King said gravely, and go on till you come to the end: then stop. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: iFrames in WikiEducator
Thanks Wayne, Nope, I don't agree here -- the longer you perpetuate access to non-free content (by making sure that non-free content doesn't disappear), the longer we fuel the monopoly of switches in the network which regulates access and price to knowledge which should remain free. I had to think through this one although I know I don't have your perspective. I don't get the switches. All I see is the move from publishers doing the aggregating distribution to a collaborative way of publishing. We should have ideals like ..only use OER content which can be copied or remixed. But this transition will take time. It's dependent on understanding what drives people to collaborate, and providing them with the tools and rewards which will encourage them to change their habits. If we focus on your main point - publically paying once for researchers to do the research, then to have it peer reviewed, then paying again for buying an aggregation back from a third part publisher - then Open Access Journal initiatives display an ideal. You're aware that most countries have had a go at (i.e. paid for) projects like ARROW. http://arrow.edu.au/about/ You've got a better knowledge than I have of http://cnx.org/aboutus/ type initiatives If you want an idea of how this looks in Australia at the moment; check out the latest (july) ands newsletter. http://ands.org.au/newsletters/index.html Page 1 has a diagram of the Australian Research Data Commons which illustrates the problem. i.e. The circle around the institution. The problem for all of these kind of initiatives comes down to one simple factor. Unfortunately, the archiving policies are often ignored by researchers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review#Different_styles_of_review As one of my correspondents from a French uni's library put it. The question remains to know who does the indexing work: librarians and/or teachers (or researchers). He goes on to say Indexing has to be made with a very different view. So we have a peculiar disconnect. Within the confines of a National institution, everyone tries to index Institutional resources. Then when outside, they classify by discipline. We can measure the impact of these two approaches today. http://repositories.webometrics.info/toprep.asp It's so nice that these two conversations happened on this one thread. All these problems started when timmy BL joined the hypertext world (which was institutional centric) to the transmission control protocol. Then he said we need a domain name for participating entities. Good idea. But I'll never forgive him for not insisting on a policy which said no existing institutions are allowed to use their names as a domain. He didn't, so their inhabitants still can't think outside their squares. Their duplications are endless and their inter- institutional collaborations last as long as a short-term project's funds. Imagine if he said; participating entities can only be local/national/ global peer groups and then went one further - in the .edu domains we will classify each group as we would classify their journals/teaching materials in a library. i.e. discipline. At least we might have had a few people from the local unis and schools talking to one another. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: iFrames in WikiEducator
Hi Michael, Hey, the page looks a bit chaotic. But that doesn't hurt. You've certainly got me thinking. That tiki-toki tool is interesting. I keep thinking about how to displays parrallel evolutions. I'd tend to ask students to do their version, after assembling a few more interesting perspectives. This one might be useful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry It tends to break down the belief that the internet is some cohesive thing. The evolution of html is obviously still too close to the top. Tim berners lee's proposal for the www being in 1990. http://www.w3.org/Proposal.html As he said I just had to take the hypertext idea and connect it to the Transmission Control Protocol and domain name system ideas and—ta- da!—the World Wide Web. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee So maybe some background on the history of hypertext may be an idea. This one's not real good. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext You might also want to bring the internet down to a local level and ask students, so which network do we use to connect to the Internet in this classroom?. That should get a few brain cells twitching. (Just so you're a chapter ahead. It's http://www.karen.net.nz/ at your end) Do us a favour. I'm not based anywhere. Been travelling for the past 18 months. Europe last year. Asia this. Thailand today. Please don't consider a separate part for other countries. I spend most of my time trying to get NRENs to collaborate. They don't. They compare. That's why OERers end up having to cobble together tools like this google group, with a wiki (in our case). AsiaPac doesn't have an (active) association for NRENs. But the euo based one is not bad. http://www.terena.org/activities/media/ Government and education are the only two industries which can't adapt to a globalized world. They just can't get past their national borders. I won't rave on here as I want to start at wayne's critical point - .. a ludicrous situation where taxpayers are frequently required to pay twice for their learning materials. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Why Aren't Open Educational Resources Organizations Supporting Related Movements?
Thanks Steve, Rebecca, It's a bit do as i say, not what I do isn't it? Can we work this through as It's driving (driven) me nuts as well. The Related Movements that you are talking about take all sorts of forms. You point out that client software for OPEN operating systems is one. One would have thought that using a browser-based conferencing product for an OER get-together would have been obvious. These days, most of the software for open operating systems issues evaporate as bandwidth increases and the (non flash) cloud/browser model becomes the norm. If there is any question as to what I'm saying when I call it a cloud/browser model please tell me. Meantime, most app makers in the mobile market are going to have to produce at least 5 (Operating system) versions if they want to stay in the game. For some time at least. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mobile_os.png OER's most influential related movement, from my perspective, is run by their member's network managers, i.e. the NRENs. I don't know what you'd call the movement. Perhaps 'Open Networks Movement' (ONM) might serve. The network, and apps, managers of NATIONAL Network Operations Centers (NOC) have the same problems as the OER movement. They don't know how to best serve both the (international) individuals who use OCW (in this OER org's case) AND the (national) institutions that make OCW possible. i.e. http://www.ocwconsortium.org/en/members/members or e.g. http://communities.ocwconsortium.org/groups/ocwoer-research/ It's hard to serve two masters. (sorry for all the acronyms) So far as looking after individuals or small groups are concerned, NREN managers, invariably working on a National basis, are leaving this space to global commodity service providors like google and other proprietary platforms. Most OERers have had a play with them; go- to-meeting, Elluminate, etc,etc. NREN managers do collaborate in supporting the high bandwidth global specialists on a project-by- project basis. e.g. infereometry, halodren collider, grids, etc. This situation is further complicated because our OER ideas about an individual's lifelong learning override those of a nation's institutional teaching. In general talk? We want our National institutions to be user centric, more transparent and globally minded. N.B. By institutions I'm talking about all publically funded institutions. Egov, escience, eresearch, elearning, etc are just convenient banners that each profession uses to describe the same aspirations. The two groups - open network managers and open content creators/ curators (mousetrap builders and cheese makers) - have different professional ways of acheiving their common mission. To concretely illustrate the mousetraper's work, look at eduroam. This service allows users from one institution to go to any uni (and other non-edu institutions) around the country/world, open their laptops/device and use their home credentials to go online/gain access. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduroam Wayne mentioned that he's never been able to get the NREN's to buy into the OER agenda (as opposed to OERers buying into theirs). But they are helping. Last year has been a sea of discussion with the taskforce-for-media guys in Europe (tf-media) about how proud they are to provide services that capture lectures and, individually (i.e nationally), aggregate their own versions of youtube, in their country's language. The content is quite terrible, like most OER. I've heard the OER discussions about achieving critical mass. Let's be clear. We're drowning in content, most of which is buried on some url and never looked at, twice. The problem we have is finding GooD (peer reviewed, well produced) OER. Connexions points the way. But more importantly, we lack a way for peers to find peers so they can review and share production costs. We also lack a business model which encourages them to do so. So let's look at at point of engagement with the network managers. It could begin with this group of federators. http://refeds.org/resources_info.html If you go through the list of the (publically funded) ID providers it becomes obvious that refed guys have limited contact with individual content communities. They are institution-centric and services orientated. The quality of content, or the way it's aggegated and disseminated, is not on their agenda. The fundamental points are that OERers have, up to now, largely been working hard at (poorly) producing duplicated content, in various forms and formats, which largely remain buried inside institutional sites. The refed guys have, on the other hand, are trying to provide an open inter-institutional framework so peers inside institutions can collaborate, share their apps/services learning, and disseminate their courses/findings. Both initiatives are largely institutionally focussed. Both movements lack two things; a common directory (for Virtual Home Organisations, VHO is what aarnet call groups like wikieducator that span
[WikiEducator] Re: Calling all Australian educators - we need your help
OK, Sorry, I do have to remember to change mindsets when switching forums, Let's start this one again at Steve Why Aren't Open Educational Resources Organizations Supporting Related Movements? discussion -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Calling all Australian educators - we need your help
Many thanks Wayne, Carina, please don't think I'm having a go at you. I just hate to see wayne overworked (which he is all the time). I'll only make one comment on the problem with engaging NREN guys. They really do want to help. It's just that mouse trap builders language is sooo different to that of OER cheese makers. Also, the stuff that most cheese makers see as e-learning tools are lumped together as commodity internet by the network guys and largely discounted. Let google, facebook, Elluminate, etc, look after those (web) apps. We'll provide access to that social stuff for users via an institutional user's account/log in. We want to RD the high bandwidth (engineeringly challenging) stuff. Boys and their toys. But the twain is starting to meet. There's a global group of (institutional) authentication guys, who are starting to push. http://refeds.org/ Eventually they're going to have to answer the broader institutional questions around providing citizen's with a lifelong learning account.http://www.eid-ssedic.eu/index.php? option=com_contentview=articleid=72Itemid=100056 They just lack the input of lots of global (disciplinary) groups, like OERers in the elearning space, who can define the combination(s) of common services which they want to share. And a scheme which provides a directory to a global disciplinary group's/community's info and comms. OK. This is the call out of the ec. Check out the work programme. http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/dc/index.cfm?fuseaction=UserSite.cooperationDetailsCallPagecall_id=319#infopack I've already pointed to where the discussions around this call work their way through, from Brussels, to the Asian end. But you'd have to be across the LinkedIn groups and conferences that the EC's contractors (Sigma Orionis) have been running (in Asia Pacific, SE Asia, Europe Africa) to see the 'common service' requirements starting to form up. This is the Euro end. http://paradiso-fp7.eu/ You've seen the sea(coop) end of the same discussions. I don't know what your relationships are like with NICTA. But one aim would be to add a Common services tag off terry's page. http://www.nicta.com.au/business/broadband_and_the_digital_economy I've pointed to the Aussie short list of common services on the aaf site. (which they never use of course). At least we can start talking about OER and common services as two sides of the open e-science, e-gov, e-ducation, coin. Now if only we can get policy makers out of the habit of believing that public servants will be delivering services online. Look. Can yu start us on in the wiki space. You've got a much bigger oer perspective than i have. You've got the model right. But I'm thinking in terms of the comms like http://tiny.cc/zx9an not the oer info. I can fill in the infrastructure overview better if I can understand what you have in mind in aggregating and distributing oer content. I've also got to start brushing up on my rusty video skills. Somehow, we've got to explain stuff like this. http://tiny.cc/id8zh to some web designers and their bosses at the ec. http://ec.europa.eu/research/index.cfm?lg=enpg=forum so we can get these guys to coordinate their activites. http://cordis.europa.eu/fp7/ict/ncps_en.html I've given myself 3 (warm) months in Thailand to get something in front of the country funders. If we don't get it together for this call, then it's the one after. Kop jai, simon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Calling all Australian educators - we need your help
Geez wayne, Seems like you have to do all the outreach. I would have thought if Carina wants people to get involved she's a big enough girl to issue her own invitations. (wink, nudge) I looked at the page; quite good, until i read the definition of distance education, and compared it to the one which has been so hard fought for over the years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_education The difference really does explain why Aussie institutions are in delivery from a campus teacher to a remote learner mode. They just can't get into the user centric mode. That said, there are a few progressives who simply sigh at the practice follows policy mindset and get on with opening things up. E.g. http://peoples-uni.org (Dick Heller is still at newcastle uni). Check out the roles. If we must think/research in terms of OER courseware, that's fine. But please, Oz policy makers are s far out of the global loop here. Even Kate (who is one my heroines). http://www.katelundy.com.au/2011/03/02/citizen-centric-services-a-necessary-principle-for-achieving-genuine-open-government/ Just so we are clear, this is what I mean by user centric https://me.edu.au/login.htm And these are the kind of services to which my account would offer access. http://www.aaf.edu.au/technical/common-services/ And increasingly, a few others like http://www.aarnet.edu.au/Projects/2010/05/12/aarnet-anywhere.aspx Sorry for being my subtle self. I just realized why WE/WR/OCWC/OER communities have missed so many of the happenings on their individual (NREN) networks. There's a place for educators, learners and researchers on the WR logo. But no place for developers. In the network/developers world, no one is an educator. Most of the technical problems (in creating interoperable (virtual) networks, which can support global disciplinary groups) are about creating/ agreeing common standards and using common tools/apps, AND a common classification scheme. DuH! So could we ask meena to link from her global forum to the the research wikieducator group. http://communities.ocwconsortium.org/groups/ocwoer-research/ Or vice versa. And perhaps on a better app than google's groups widget. There are quite a few things stirring in Europe. The talk starts here. http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/collectiveawareness/index_en.htm But they gain a focus here. http://seacoop.eu/2011/05/23/opportunity-for-cooperation-in-virtual-learning-project-elearning/ What are you like at scoping a (R AND D) project for funding? Deadline september. All the best, simon We live in interesting times. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: 50th Learning4Content Workshop - Invitation
Well, if you consider that because it lacks an OS client at this stage important, that's true. As I said; it was just a suggestion to take some first steps. But it's the networks that are important, not the client. Just as long as you know that the network managers which WE have to work across ARE trying to bridge the gaps. http://www.nordu.net/ndnweb/news___events_attchmt/NORDUnet%20NREN%202020%20Inspiration%20Paper.pdf All the best. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: 50th Learning4Content Workshop - Invitation
Wayne, You're right. It doesn't have a GNU/linux client yet. If you know of any complete solutions that does, or might have in the next couple of years, I'd love to know. (please) N.B. The vucast functionality is important. The talk about OS solutions go on. This recent cross-Atlantic get together is probably the closest we'll get to it for another few years. http://www.terena.org/activities/media/meeting4/programme.html (Matterhorn being the highest mountain to climb. Big Blue Button functionality being a while off.) I'm suggesting vivu as 1. it's (should be) free. (to a few global communities long term = to be negotiated) 2. It works as an extension of Skype (so it should be pretty intuitive to use). 3. The recordings won't require a user to download a player. (until html5 gets traction, and no player is required) 4. Aarnet have a relationship with them. In all of this kind of development, the front end isn't really that important. aarnet already have had talks abut using an off the shelf open client, along with quite a few other NRENs; independently of course. They don't collaborate on one client (or backend) because none of their user communities (except the big boys like the astro-physics communities) are big enough, and don't talk to their National engineers as a global group. The main costs here are bandwidth usage, and that's a mess at the moment because NREN engineers spend most of their time talking to their National clients. So when WE talk across borders, the routing between networks is always off net. http://www.infocellar.com/networks/Switched/onnet-vs-offnet.htm i.e. It costs money in both directions (and glitches are common). My only interest here is finding a solution which, if it's picked up and used regularly by a few global groups, will enable my mates at aarnet to talk to their global mates about reconfiguring their pipes. i.e. WE's inter-NREN usage and storage becomes on net. The other consideration here is offering a fixed room. i.e. WE would have a virtual room/(streaming) channel, and its archive, that has a fixed position (a fixed url) in cyberspace (not necessarily at vivu.tv), which hopefully they would want to share between time zones and (at times) with other communities like P2P uni. It's a bit hard to follow things at the moment when WE et al spread everything around so many urls and tools. Of course, if, as you say many WE users have Linux (as their client's operating system), then I guess we can't even consider this approach. But it is an attempt to offer a stop gap for the next few years. And so long as it's free, (and i can come up with a business case for Vivu that keeps it that way) it's helps to get the NREN engineers to focus. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: 50th Learning4Content Workshop - Invitation
Dear Patricia, Ramesh, I'm starting to negotiate on behalf of a few global communities, with these guys. http://vivu.tv/vivuweb/products/vuroomskype/ The main aim is to offer global communities like WE a virtual room for free, 24/7 for the long term; in a fixed spot. Now I know you will have your preferred tool. I'm negotiating with these guys primarily as they are new and are doing some work with our NREN in Australia = aarnet. I'm just starting to ask some of the other NRENs to collaborate and develop the back end of this tool. The main consideration (as I see things) is that you can hit a record button at any time, and stream live should you want to. The other stuff will make your eyes glaze over. So could you have a look at it = kick the tyres = and see if it is of some use to you. And what it needs. If it is useful I'll attempt to get an agreement in place before your sessions start. All the best, simon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Transatlantic degrees
Dear All, You might be interested in this call for proposals, on both sides of the Atlantic. Europe. http://eacea.ec.europa.eu/bilateral_cooperation/eu_us/funding/calls_2011_en.php U.S. http://www2.ed.gov/programs/fipseec/index.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Important: Unesco Replaces OER Acronym
This is not a joke! This is a serious improvement to the OER edukashunal meatketing stratigi. Bought to youse bi UNESCO - the Universally Noladgable Edukashun Sckeme to Confus Optimusts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: OER university: Universities need to open minds on digital teaching.
On Mar 17, 1:07 pm, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, However, the matter is not as simple as filming a conference presentation and asserting copyright on the recording. In many civil law countries, there is not necessarily a requirement for the creative work to be in a fixed format. In these countries, copyright protection will take place from the moment the performance is given, defaults to all rights reserved and therefore legally cannot filmed in a way where the person pointing the camera gets copyright. Typically the professional media are afforded certain privileges when reporting live events in their respective national copyright legislations. The problem we have in a digital age is that there is no requirement to assert copyright and it defaults to all rights reserved. In a digital age, the scenario should be reversed - -eg the default should be public domain, but if you want to assert copyright, you would be required to do so. We don't have this -- hence the work of projects like WE, OERu etc. I'm not sure that many universities would necessarily agree with your assertions that they are all about teaching. Many institutions invest considerable time, energy and dollars into the learning part of the equation. While there are many opportunities to learn on the open web -- a university credential still carries token value by society and the economy. It gets people real jobs in the real world. That's not to say the folk don't learn in informal settings. For example, the best free software coders out there have earned their stripes through a system of meritocracy in their respective communities. There are many exciting learning projects like the DIY U and P2PU projects which are pushing the envelope. This must be encouraged because it adds considerable value to the OER ecosystem. However the focus of WE, the OER Foundation, the OERu is to see how we in the formal sector can add value to this evolving ecosystem. WE must recognise our limitations and core competencies. WE are predominantly a formal education sector initiative working in the OER space. That's what we do well and where we focus our energies. Cheers Wayne On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 2:13 PM, simonfj simo...@cols.com.au wrote: Thanks Wayne, You know I'm not sure if you realize that you keep pointing at the obvious problem every uni has; sorry we don't control the IP of external publishers. It's not external publishers IP of course. It belongs to the people who (in this case, are trying to encourage) unis to open their minds. Uni researchers (in particular) must pay, via their institutional librarians, to access the aggregations of publishers, which are, after all, simply convenient databases of different unis' authors put together on some global basis by a publisher. It's not as though (with all the technology inside NRENs) they are necessary. Even the peer review is usually done by an author's global mates. Publishers simply take advantage of the unis' lack of imagination. Anyone these days can open up any closed situation by taking a handycam and computer (with wireless access) along, or even just blog a conference. So WE know there's simply no need to have a reporter between the live and the report. That's why the commercial media news comes to us via five global gateways these days. (AAP, Reuters, Thomson, etc). It's the only profitable way of wrapping advertising around the content. (which is there to separate the ads) Publicly funded media is just having a hard time reinventing itself. Ultimately, WE all just want a place in fixed cyberspace (a url) where we know our disciplinary/subject specific mates get together for a natter or a conference; where anything which is covered by a particular global group can be streamed live as well as preserved for the long term. And if WE do it sociably, the space is bound to attract a global community of interest. QED = WE. The need for a directory is obvious. But professional curators and professional network managers are simply too busy to actually concentrate their users. So let's admit to ourselves that this has nothing to do with unis being open minded. Even if such a stupid comment could be understood - unis don't think, the people inside them do - we already know that they are open minded. WE prove that. The problem is simply that WE don't aggregate our content on the basis of our global group. It's still about trying to gain credibility by saying. I come from xxx institution. And new institution never begins like that. N.B Where institution has this meaning. http://orweblog.oclc.org/archives/002154.html WE should also keep in mind that many uni students, after they have been handed a piece of paper by their uni, go back to their video games and employment queue. The number is 40% in south europe, and rising. Few have curricula which can
[WikiEducator] Re: OER University Meeting: History in the making
Dear All, If you have probs with this link https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/oer-university try this one. http://groups.google.com/group/oer-university Wayne you might like to consider linking from the community section on wikieducator's home page to the OER Uni mail list, (under the Community index, perhaps?) Looking good! simon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: OER university: Universities need to open minds on digital teaching.
Thanks Wayne, You know I'm not sure if you realize that you keep pointing at the obvious problem every uni has; sorry we don't control the IP of external publishers. It's not external publishers IP of course. It belongs to the people who (in this case, are trying to encourage) unis to open their minds. Uni researchers (in particular) must pay, via their institutional librarians, to access the aggregations of publishers, which are, after all, simply convenient databases of different unis' authors put together on some global basis by a publisher. It's not as though (with all the technology inside NRENs) they are necessary. Even the peer review is usually done by an author's global mates. Publishers simply take advantage of the unis' lack of imagination. Anyone these days can open up any closed situation by taking a handycam and computer (with wireless access) along, or even just blog a conference. So WE know there's simply no need to have a reporter between the live and the report. That's why the commercial media news comes to us via five global gateways these days. (AAP, Reuters, Thomson, etc). It's the only profitable way of wrapping advertising around the content. (which is there to separate the ads) Publicly funded media is just having a hard time reinventing itself. Ultimately, WE all just want a place in fixed cyberspace (a url) where we know our disciplinary/subject specific mates get together for a natter or a conference; where anything which is covered by a particular global group can be streamed live as well as preserved for the long term. And if WE do it sociably, the space is bound to attract a global community of interest. QED = WE. The need for a directory is obvious. But professional curators and professional network managers are simply too busy to actually concentrate their users. So let's admit to ourselves that this has nothing to do with unis being open minded. Even if such a stupid comment could be understood - unis don't think, the people inside them do - we already know that they are open minded. WE prove that. The problem is simply that WE don't aggregate our content on the basis of our global group. It's still about trying to gain credibility by saying. I come from xxx institution. And new institution never begins like that. N.B Where institution has this meaning. http://orweblog.oclc.org/archives/002154.html WE should also keep in mind that many uni students, after they have been handed a piece of paper by their uni, go back to their video games and employment queue. The number is 40% in south europe, and rising. Few have curricula which can keep up with the demand for new skills and techniques. E.g. No uni runs a course for employment network design. That's done by companies like Cisco who are reinventing technology daily. So the old .edu institutions are becoming less relevant. From what I can see, very few edu institutions focus on the learning. It's all about teaching - and the two are opposite poles. One's done in classroom, the other in a library. No guesses for which one is (done in) which. On Mar 15, 8:53 am, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, More international coverage on the OER university. Following Sir John's keynote address in Sydney on 8 March where he referred to the OER university http://wikieducator.org/OER_university/Home as making the original examination only concept look extremely modern and a system that would reduce the cost of higher education dramatically (see:http://www.col.org/resources/speeches/2011presentation/Pages/2011-03-...), the Campus Review, Australia has published the following article: Universities need to open minds on digital learning and teachinghttp://www.campusreview.com.au/pages/section/article.php?s=NewsidArt... . (Unfortunately to read the article -- you will need to register for a free online trial of Campus Review -- sorry we don't control the IP of external publishers.) Cheers Wayne -- Wayne Mackintosh http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg, Ph.D. Director OER Foundation http://www.oerfoundation.org Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. Founder and elected Community Council Member, WikiEducatorhttp://www.wikieducator.org Mobile+64 21 2436 380begin_of_the_skype_highlighting +64 21 2436 380 end_of_the_skype_highlighting Skype: WGMNZ1 Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/Mackiwg | identi.cahttp://identi.ca/waynemackintosh -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: UNESCO social networking platform for the OER community -- Worth joining
I'm a bit surprised by this one Wayne, Why would you want to join a site which is empty when WE has something the UN doesn't have; Community If the platform were more than a very amateur basic, I give Abel and crew a little pat on the back but .. Can i make a suggestion. WE can have a better plaform today, for nothing, and WE can integrate this list with it. I'll just point you at the overview.http://www.google.com/sites/help/ intl/en/overview.html Why don't you suggest to Abel that there's no need to reinvent the wheel, and we could use some help. OERGlue is a nice marketing device to .edu institutions, but it won't help the UN or WE understand what the structure economics of an OER global institution will be, other than being around global communities. One of the things which we are starting to work on in the NRENs (mainly surfnet) is a federated access, so the WE's of the world can sign in with their institutional credentials. That's going to lead to institutions sharing the stuff in clouds. Maria might call it behavourial economics. (I've never met a millionaire with an economics degree) The National network managers could use a live Global community to work on. Surfnet's already federated access to their National institutions for Google and MS apps. They also have the right culture to take it global. So let's see about opening the door. The last thing they need is talk about another OS platform. People with drive and imagination are far more important. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: UNESCO social networking platform for the OER community -- Worth joining
I didn't want to say this above the radar as it might have cause you some embarrassment. Elgg is not a platform (in the technical sense). it is a piece of software. You might understand why I talk about cheese makers and mousetrap builders. They simply don't speaka de same lingua. The main thing we need to work on is getting the WE community the real time tools, which you'll see Google offering as part of their Google site's premium service ( talk). What I'm attempting to get the NREN's to focus on is taking this from a simple presence, where if a global member sees someone is reading a thread, you can click chat, click talk, click conference A and/or V, click stream, click record. Quite a lot of network and interface design to do. But it'll be up to you to get a few young media types involved. Abel would be ideal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Open access education courses
Hi Sarah, Thanks for this. I appreciate that you are measuring the conversion. i.e. sales. Does this mean you will be offering courses on a subscription basis? i.e. Yes I want to convert, and then onto a sign up and pay page, and then onto a welcome on the google group. No need for Catherine to be involved. (and could you not call it a Course email group. Facilitator's community sounds so much nicer). I'm also interested whether, re: sustainability, if you are measuring the savings as OER's go into a cloud like Google's. i.e. no app development, hosting, bandwidth, server, etc costs. (as opposed to the institutional server) Obviously by using the wikieducator domain for the serious stuff will throw measurements out of kilter. It's also obviously creating a few probs for those mini conference facilitators as the slides (course materials) tend to get scattered around lots of storage sites like slideshare, elluminate, etc. Archives/storage/ commons is going to require a librarian as the number of course material objects, which can be shared between courses and global WE teachers, gets BIG.. I've already to suggested to Wayne that hosting a Google site might be a good social platform to use, especially as you can associate the course email group you already have. It also has the ability to set levels of access, so conversions might be made easier, while running one site, for informals and the converted, will help faciltators. You know that old Monty Python skit. Two surgeons talking about their golf over a woman who is about to give birth. Doctor, doctor, what should I do? says she. Nothing Dear. You're not qualified. Bring back the midwives I say:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: OER University Meeting: History in the making
That's good, Thanks for the notes, especially the question about, How can an effective clearing house function that supports quality, cataloguing, information dissemination and other key tasks be operationalised? You know my interest is in the networking changes that are developing globally; primarily the federated log, so institutional OER members can share facilities between/across their National networks (NREN). It might be useful to approach some of these guys now (as anchor members). They are trying to understand which services/tools global groups of OERers might want in order share their apps libraries. They've got the networks, OERers have the content. Only by collaborating will the utility be found. So I'll point to this PR. http://www.ja.net/company/news-2011/logicalis.html Don't worry about the techo speak and talk of high performance. 2nd last para. Logicalis is piloting a number of solutions and services into the education sector, including hosting of open source virtual learning environments such as Moodle, as well as shared and hybrid cloud infrastructure services which enable institutions to move part of their internal infrastructure to a hosting provider. If Phil wants to take the Moodle wall down, then this is the only way to do it without breaking the bandwidth budget. This would be the man to talk to http://www.au.netstarlogicalis.com/about-us/management-team/management-asia.aspx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Transcending OER's valley of death -- From OER advocacy to mainstream adoption.
Interesting. So if I was to try and describe what you have in mind to a application developer, the spec might be something like. We want an app that can be included in an online environment/url/ portal that enhances its online library. One reads the 'article'/ watches the video and then hits a 'questions' button, which pops up the app, that works just like cyclo-teacher. Wouldn't seem like a complicated app to write. (always much easier when you can point at a physical widget and say we want one of these.) Re: apps like this, and standardizing calenders. Yes the w3 committees try and write specs for standardization (so apps can share data). But there always needs to be a proof-of-concept built to make it real. In the .edu space, in some NRENs, mainly at Internet2 and Surfnet (in the english speaking world) you'll find the 'standardization' of apps beginning to focus on building online collaborative environments. I pointed at (Internet2's) COmanage page. You can see the (basic) apps they are focussed on in the red area. http://www.internet2.edu/comanage/ COIN's architecture looks much the same. i.e. wiki, calender, file share. Both WE and the NREN techs want to see this stuff move into mainstream adoption. (the techs are the mousetrap builders, OER communities like WE, OCWC and http://www.web2rights.com/OERIPRSupport/index.html are the cheese makers; or car manufactures and petrol sniffers if you prefer another metaphor :) The problem, as far as i can see, is that the NREN (techs) talk to 'their' national communities, whereas the cheese makers are globally minded. The techs also focus on the 'fat' end of town (as it's far more interesting). COmanage, as an e.g. use LIGO as one of their global disciplinary groups, and then, as a secondary thought, consider how to open LIGO's resources to the wider world = http://www.ligo.org/students_teachers_public/research.php So OERers are trying to open up the global conversation about Open Access, apps and content, while the Nationally funded techs (up to now) prefer to duplicate their global peers efforts. Then, at a conference, which, like ours, might be streamed at one url, recorded, and afterwards buried on some other strange sounding url, compare best practice and apps, which represent 3 degrees of separation/ opinion/strategy. And, of course, all have an (unformed) idea of how to make their initiative sustainable. http://open-access.net/de_en/general_information/business_models/ 2011 is going to be an interesting year for mainstreaming the new publishing model. I'm pretty sure WE will see OE(R, if we must consider Educational material in physical terms) beginning to bulldozer the professional boundaries of production (teaching), access/aggregation (network management) and distribution (librarianship). My opinion is fashioned more by the economic relevance/woes of our (edu and gov) institutions than any professional knowledge. (i.e. % of grads joining the unemployment queues = 40% in southern Spain). 10 months of drowning in Euro languages tends to stretch one's imagination about common educational problems. I like your analogy of Gutenberg's time (as western-centric as it is) ; although I prefer to compare today's institutional confusion to the time of the introduction of the steam powered printing press (in London in 1809, and the rotary press mid 1800's). Now everyone has their own web press we drown in poorly funded/duplicated materials; vanity published by every self-important .edu, in one country/language of course. Ah, UTILITY! That magic word which refuses to acknowledge professional/ sectoral boundaries. A telephone! A fax! A web conference! A TV station! ... A (National) network for each! Nah.. give me one url for each of my disciplinary Global groups, an institutional sign on, a directory, and let the NREN network guys weave their SIP ENUM magic. regards, simon Sydney feb 2011 On Jan 15, 11:55 am, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, Thank you for your thoughtful reply below. Did you ever see the Cyclo Teacher Learning Aid instructional system which shipped with World Book encyclopedias? Here:http://www.laughinglibrarian.com/2006_07_01_archive.html#115318764847... I'm trying to provide the internet version of that, with adaptive testing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Wayne's planning meeting
That's great Wayne, I took for granted, knowing how WE push things along, that this would be the case. But it would be good if you could put up a page; just to start forming up the strategic agenda. My brain takes ages to work through any idea, and I write because I get confused when talking in front of an audience. I could just use something to point at, which will show some friendly geeks how community building operates. Any basic agenda would be great. So far as I'm concerned (and I'm sure you are), this is the first in a series of distributed (global) conferences', as they are beginning to be called - some of which will be included in existing get togethers as mentioned. My interest is in the systemization of the NREN pipes, so they become as easy to set up (and cheap) as a couple of clicks on a presence tool, and stream/record/store from the same URL, so the environment becomes a a defacto TV/radio station/library. This is not pie-in-the-sky any more; just a matter of simplifying and extending this kind of Open Source stuff and getting it out of the beta stage. http://www.globalplaza.org/ (This one's in spain) That said; I don't know if you might find this tool useful. We had a pretty good response using it for an e-gov initiative in Aus during 2009. http://www.ideascale.com/opengov/ Off to beat some bushes. Cheers, simon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Wayne's planning meeting
At the heart of the Global U is this institution we call The Library. Absolutely! I think this is the case for for all media affected by the shift in publishing paradigm, regardless of sector. It's (sustainable) economics are supported by the shift in network architecture - from institutional client/server to national and international collaborative group 'clouds'. OER can't come of age, and won't get an institutional buy in, until the economics of cloud infrastructure are understood adopted. The evolution is similar to the shift from mainframe/dumb terminal to client/server models. Certainly the idea of bringing a National/Global peer.edu group together to produce a shared library of content will save duplications; that's one huge positive. That said, the question is how OER's may encourage their (National institutional) network providers to; 1. Provide 'their' global groups with (access to) their preferred applications. At the moment this primarily means the real time apps, like voice, web conferencing, streaming,storage, etc. The savings here simply make the new OER paradigm's economics, and wider social- ability, more obvious. In NREN technical terms, this means creating a library of apps. which can be shared nationally/globally. Until these are agreed upon, global OERers must do like WE do - go cap in hand to the larger wikipedia world or ask for support by their closest institution = the otagos of this world who would save money by adopting a cloud/shared library architecture. 2. Provide their global groups with the storage required, near to their global co-users. The dreaded internet wait has been overcome, to a degree, by content deliverers like akamai. But the real OER revolution starts with the sharing of 'peering routes' between NREN's. Techs talk about 'on net' and off net'. To simplify, if global groups are 'on net', their National networks don't run up charges. If they work 'off net' (between NRENs, they do. 3. Federate their identities. This means that when you sign on to your institution, you will have reciprocal arrangements (rights and responsibilities) with all the other institutions, to the same library of apps, on the same (NRE)Network. Up to now most of this has (obviously) taken place on a National basis. The discussions in many of the NREN's is now about confederating these identities internationally). The problem is that OERers, in their global communities of interest (as they are called at OCWC), haven't engaged these technicians just yet, or vice versa. 4. The last, and most important, paradigm shift, is what Melville Dewey focussed on in the 1870's, when steam powered printing presses had overwhelmed .edu institutions with their info = a directory. This is one area which is going to change lots of institutionally- limitedl mindsets (I hope, this year). Take a look at Internet2's co-manage page and you'll find them talking about a directory for 'external groups' (external of their NRENs). Sounds like OER community group's (and their communities of interest) to me. http://www.internet2.edu/comanage/ We're (OERers) are still in a mindset which has us separating info and comms, even though both travel down the same IP pipe. That's why WE can't go mainstream (just yet). Every time WE reach to use a 'product' like Elluminate, we pay license fees to a third party (software) publisher, as opposed to insisting that the techs at projects like the Accessgrid and EVO simplify their (open source) interfaces. If you do a search on 'Big Blue Button', you'll find a few NREN techs who are focussed on this problem. OK. Sorry for my wordiness. I write in order to clarify my thinking. Is there a chance WE might consider putting up a strategy page, so WE can get an idea of one another's thinking? So far as Planning/strategy events I'm hoping OER will be a buzzword at a few techie events this year, even if it means having presenters presenting remotely. My 'main' events would be questnet (in Aus), Terena (in Europe) and one of Inernet2's quarterly (US) get togethers. 2011. The year when WE go it. regards, simon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Congratulations Dr. Sanjaya!
Dear Sanjaya, I should have thanked you for this one a while ago, http://www.educause.edu/content.asp?PAGE_ID=5989bhcp=1 (Off that educause link on your blog) so thanks and congrats. I take it you'll be at the new dehli offices of unesco. http://portal.unesco.org/geography/en/ev.php-URL_ID=5972URL_DO=DO_TOPICURL_SECTION=201.html Should be an interesting time - infecting this department of the UN with the OE virus. I do hope you'll be focussing on how to get the global (peer) groups in the UN elephant to talk to one another. I have a mate in UN habitat who's beating the bushes in Europe, so hopefully we can attack the (Aggregating global groups) project from a few ends. One thing I would ask of you, seeing the UN and the world bank have similar ends. Is there anything like the WB's GDLN at the UN? http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/WBI/0,,contentMDK:20988699~pagePK:209023~piPK:207535~theSitePK:213799,00.html regards, simon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Transcending OER's valley of death -- From OER advocacy to mainstream adoption.
Hi James, I've spent quite a bit of time working my way through the links you've offered, trying to get my head around what microformats (mf) is all about. I can see it's a grass roots up approach to sharing functions and content. But it hasn't clicked between me ears, probably as I need some concrete focus for the penny to drop. This one is one problem which mf wants to solve that interests me. http://www.scottmcmullan.com/blog/2004/12/googleinternet_.html Berkeley calender project is part of the effort by trying to bring sanity and sharing to the 80+ event calendars of UC Berkeley. My problem is that, although perfectly logical from an engineer's perspective, I just don't see this approach having legs. i.e. ... all events in the world, from a garage sale in Lexington to a tech conference in SF, could be automatically discovered (Google), stored in one central, public domain, web services accessible database (Internet Archive), where the events could then be categorized. It's the categorization where the problem lies (for me); of events or anything else. Language (metadata) precludes the mash up of bilingual content/resources. That's one shortcoming. But main problem, so far as I can see, is that we want content to be aggregated by the groups, in environments which span institutions like Berkeley. As yet a suitable global directory, which can be shared by them, has yet to be agreed upon. On OCWC' site, like so many other sites, we can see the groups popping up on communities of interest pages. Groups, like WE's, attract their Communities of Interest; or they would if they could be found and/or be given a fixed spot in cyberspace; and shared a common directory. I'm delighted to see you talking about building curation systems, and increasing the number of people to whom the content is useful. Absolutely! The challenge though, it seems to this little poor geek floating on a world wide web, seems more about having curators agree on which global community they will be supporting, and offering all (multilingual/global) groups a global classification system - like they do groups' printed stuff, which they buy (back) from 3rd party publishers. We could certainly use a group calender around here (as one mf app), just as much as Scott could have used it for his web services SIG. Every other similar SIG will say/has said the same thing, as they come and go, reinventing the same same wheel/producing similar content, again and again. Hopefully this year we might see a few National librarians/curators agreeing on which common directory is to be used to point at 'their' global groups. At which point mf's might come into their own. Thanks again, simon I agree. I am thrilled that new Quiz extensions are being built but astounded so few have come forward to join me in endorsing GIFT as described athttp://microformats.org/wiki/gift The asterisk bulleted list tree format is write-only with no metadata to accommodate question management. GIFT and the extensions proposed at that site are designed to be most useful for open educational resource curation, adaptive content delivery, and encourage serious low stakes self study assessment content. We need to increase the number of people to whom the content is useful, including by building curation systems for this sort of content. Regards, James Salsman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: WE resolutions for 2011 -- Main streaming OER
That said - -through collaboration we can expand webinar sessions in parrallel with initiative designed for large-scale international collaboration. Cheers Wayne Prospero Año all, Wayne, Can i suggest you talk to Nick Jones about the WE community being the globally-minded guinea pigs for developing some large scale international collaboration. http://nz.linkedin.com/in/nickdjones Had the pleasure of meeting him at surfnet, and he tells me you know one another. The prime point of focus being this US initiative. http://www.internet2.edu/comanage/ N.B. surfnet's COIN project which is linked on the same page. You can see wikis are one of the apps they've targeted. You'll notice the 'external group directory' inside the External organizations' space(in gray), which the the global alignment of groups (and their communities of interest) which WE/OCWC and other (institutionalized) open educators have set themselves. I'm reading that OER's have a 'value proposition' for all institutions, although I've never seen this spelt out. The same can be said for 'real time' tools, like Elluminate. The value proposition here is quite simple. Institutions don't have to pay for proprietary software's license fees (or use their proprietary formats) if their NREN's collaborate use/develop the same open source ones (which they are doing on an ad hoc basis). There are also massive savings in transmissions/streaming/ environmental costs to be made if WE can get them to focus on a sociable global community. At the risk of watching your eyes glaze over, you might like to read the last para from this one. http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com/2010/12/need-for-national-public-intenet-npi.html I thought I should bring this up now as one of my resolutions this year is to attempt and get the (open) 'content' people = the petrol blenders, the cheese makers, and the (open) pipe people = the car manufacturers, the mousetrap builders, together to collaborate. They can't do that until they take a little time to understand one another's worlds. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: [WE Teacher Collaboration] Transcending OER's valley of death -- From OER advocacy to mainstream adoption.
Merry Xmas Wayne, You know I agree with all you are trying to achieve. The problem with progressing these things is how WE might be able to collaborate with other communities (like Moodle) in achieving them. The main thing you point out is that the wiki MODEL is the right one (not the technology -; the MODEL of having one spot in cyberspace where disciplinary groups can come to work on the same content and leave behind (a long term archive of) some useful free content. I also agree that 'a directory' is sooo important. It's just a matter of how you consider this directory being used. If you take the Europeana (the content only) approach, WE'll end up with (say around) 4 million items (from Euro museums, art galleries, etc, in their original domains) which can be searched from one head directory (called Europeana), so long as you understand the language(s) and know of Europeana. Meanwhile the techs in each NREN will (are now) working on a directory of various Real Time online tools (like Video Conferencing). They duplicate as far as their National borders as well. So while global 'content' communities like WE are thinking 'metadata', globally-minded Real Time (all IP) techs are likely to be thinking about a new Global Dialing Scheme (GDS). This doesn't further the cause of aggregating both info comms, which a directory to a bunch of online 'resources can point at - that a global community can find use, and then leave their content in situ as 'their' long term archive. Today, a user who visits (say) the Open CourseWare's site, views their membership list, and considers the massive duplications which the (national) institutional domains represent, can't find a discipline's global community (or see the list of resources which they use). All they MIGHT find is one course duplicated endlessly and poorly. No one can stop a more open, global, education framework being developed. The question is how to help institutions (and their economic managers) understand what benefits there are in using a new media model - one which builds (i.e. aggregates) around global (disciplinary) groups' urls rather than (National) institutional urls. We already know that eduroam is the first service/product which opens the path between National institutions here. i.e. reciprocal arrangements, between institutions and their National networks, where a user can get access to 'their' stuff, regardless of where they may be in the world. Eduroam is, in effect, the world's largest wireless.edu network. The question now is, as we know there is a beginning of reciprocal arrangements between National networks, how WE may work with 'our' National (NREN) techs, so they understand what tools/services the global groups, which span 'their' networks, may prefer to use; and then systematize/standardize the paths between them/us/WE. You'll be glad to know 'they' are also trying to reach out. Merry Xmas, simon P.S. Innovation, according to Drucker, is always about shifting habits to take advantage of the lower costs thrown up by new stuff like technology. So you might like to consider three questions. 1. If, rather than using (the PSTN when you used) your mobile, you used a widget like Skype and the institution's wireless network to talk/conference with your global peers, how much would it save your institution? 2. If, rather than institutions paying a third party publisher for aggregating 'their' authors papers, they offered a(n open access) url where global peers could aggregate their papers/build their content, how much would this save your institution? 3. Why would you need/want two directories? A happy new year to all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: [WE Teacher Collaboration] Transcending OER's valley of death -- From OER advocacy to mainstream adoption.
Hmmm, Valley of death eh? OK, WE want to take the OE(R) movement into the mainstream. So can we forget how much content we might produce (for a sec) and think about the infrastructure a global 300 might need to do a charge forward. The 'mainstream' is a series of networks which .edu content sits on. Access to them begins with a sign on to some institutional silo, which wil sit on one of these NREN(etworks). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_research_and_education_network We are seeing these networks beginning to 'federate' their services. (wikieducator, and other OERs are 'service providers') E.g. http://www.aaf.edu.au/index.php/services/service-catalogue/ http://www.cuccio-cdpiuc.ca/en/canadian-access-federation/index.php http://www.aaf.edu.au/index.php/services/international-federations/ Incommons in the US. Registering wikieducator as a 'common' service provider for these networks puts it into the mainstream of National edu networks (which means the WE community can start talking to 'their' NRENs about the other 'common services' they might want). But before WE go off and take the easy yards, can we give some thought to the other global OERers who may not like using a wiki to co-produce content. E.g. I'd prefer something like global plaza. http://www.globalplaza.org/spaces/global So I could link together OERers, and track/record/archive all the conversations which happen when a production is taking place. Could we also give some thought to a directory, not of services, but of content. Ideally we are attempting to aggregate similar content (communities) from around the world. The idea that there are not enough OER seems a bit silly. OERers simply haven't thought through how customers can find similar content (communities), regardless of language. We have this wacking huge library of amazing content called the web, and simply no way of classifying it in such a way that a potential contributor can find the shelf on which they should put (and take) 'their' bits. WE need to bring together, not just some good National(REN) techs, but also some good National librarians in order to provide for global, disciplinary groups and their communities of interest. WE could also use some very demanding WE'ers who can describe the kinds of tools they need. Stephen's done this quite a few times now. But he's never addressed the network people who might actually construct them. regards, simonfj -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Kaltura, assistance needed
Jim, I can't give you much help with Kaltura. But you may be interested in this tool which, although still in beta, is pretty reliable (and open source). I'll point you at a link up they did between Europe and Sth America so you can see what it's relabilabiity (by going through the recordings). http://globalplaza.org/spaces/global/events/global-infoday-for-america?show_agenda=true It's holiday time over here (spain) so if you registered and set up a space for Wikieducator it might not get any 'real time' functionality happening until next month. I was going to wait until then to see whether it was of any use to WE, and what other extensions WE prefer. But it doesn't hurt to kick tyres, eh? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Teachers Without Borders (TWB)
Gee Jan, I feel a sceptic in our midst, and thank you for it. That said i would never like to dampen the enthusiasm Ed shows. (I'd forgive any number of words for the passion Valerie and Ed display). But OK, we know that; 1. 'education', in points around the world, requires all sorts of compromises. 2. One dimension in anything displays a limited perspective. And 3. the western culture of the industrial era is a fair cop for most of us. We look around our world and would like to think those in less favourable gobal points might gain the same advantages. (although the talk of 'delivering resources' in education makes my hairs stand up). Not being a teacher, all I ever hope for anyone is that they can get their questions answered, in full, when they ask; so they can get on and improve their personal situation. A formal education is a pretty hard thing to consider when the priorities in lots of places are water, then food, then electricity and eventually all the goodies which plug into a network. But your comment the problem is immensely more complex than what is imagined simply fills me with pity. We all know this, which is what inspires our passions to do a bit, or not. The not, it seems, is what happens so often by the end of a western education. i.e. talk talk talk Thank goodness for the WE's and TWB's of this world. On May 17, 10:25 am, Jan Visser jvis...@learndev.org wrote: Ed, you wrote, in response to the assertion that Printed material is of greater value to a participant because she can take it home the following: That is true without one-to-one, 24/7 computing. With it, software is of greater value to children than textbooks, because it includes multimedia, is of much greater capacity, and can be provided at no cost and with the freedom to modify it and share the results. In addition, computers and software are now essential subjects for schools. Not so-called Computer Literacy but computer mastery. I beg to differ with both positions. Your claim, I think, is assuming too much for the moment as far as the potential impact of computing technology is concerned, and I am saying so inspired by the more than 40 years I've been working (and living for more than half that time) in countries deprived of even the most basic resources like, in the school context, something that could function as a blackboard and a piece of chalk, or even a decent piece of stone or wood to sit on while in class (not necessarily under a roof or complemented with something that could resemble a desk), let alone materials with which to engage in collaborative activities with one's fellow learners for, say, the purpose of exploring and understanding the workings of nature. Doing one's homework at home may be less dependent on having a computer or a book than on having the kind of home that minimally resembles the dwellings you and I live in (not to speak of the homes of the likes of Schwarzenegger, McChrystal and McCain) and particularly on having economic conditions that don't put you as a child in charge of all kinds of tasks that must necessarily be performed to sustain the life of the family and that heavily interfere with fruitful participation in a regular school environment. Of course, I'm all for the great and important things you and others are pursuing, but I'm afraid there are no silver bullets. The solutions to improving the quality of human learning around the world in diverse circumstances and multiple cultural contexts are complex because learning is a complex phenomenon. One-to-one computing is possibly part of the solution to reshaping the learning landscape, enabling all to learn, but so are books, TWB, WE and a host of other things. None of them will do the job alone and much will depend on co-evolving contextual factors. One of the important lessons I’ve learned is that it usually stifles the creativity if we focus too strongly on just one dimension of the problem. And, while I am at it, let's not forget that there is an enormous wealth of learning beyond formal schooling whereas most of the efforts, including our own in WE, continue to be inspired by the predominant school metaphor, which is strongly rooted in the western culture of the industrial era. We really need to broaden our thinking beyond the perspectives that follow from our primary inclinations. I’m sorry to paint a less satisfying picture, but, with due respect to the efforts of TWB (whose coming into being and growth I have followed since my first contacts back in the 1990’s with its founder Fred Mednick), and fully recognizing the valuable intentions of those involved in making one-to-one computing a reality, as well as with deep appreciation for the work of those engaging in producing print or screen based text and other software, I’m afraid we are only scratching the surface of a problem that is immensely more complex than what is
[WikiEducator] Re: Request for Facilitators
Hi Victor, A quick report of where I'm up to. You'll notice on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_research_and_education_network#List_of_NRENs_by_Geographic_Area that we've got most of the African NRENs registered. Just waiting for the West African Association to do their bit. You'll also notice on the unbuntunet.net site a link to global- project.eu. This has a network development primarily based around this domain. http://www.global-project.eu/ It's technical team are in Spain, which is why I'm there. NB. It looks like videoconferencing. But it includes a whole suite of (real time) tools. The talk at both terena's conference, and one after in Madrid, is going to be about how these tools can provide a useful 'back end' for global 'user' communities (as they are called in Europe). I'll be using WikiEducator as an example. So far as WE are concerned, what combination of useful tools and the way both the apps and networks are CONFIGURED should be of little interest. You'll just want a simple-to- use interface. But I will ask if WE'ers would give some consideration to their 'blue skies' and perhaps give me some idea of how they see a real time media session being run online and it's before/aftermath, including the archive of recordings. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/aftermath In the meantime, when you've got the url for the face to face up, including agenda, please let us know on this thread. It'll give me something to show to the network guys. All the best. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Free. But will users find it?
Sorry, Forgot to put this link in the para. And we (the dante network guys) are just about to have this conversation, at a euro level with the people who have aggregated huge repository of raw (CC) materials. I'm pointing to their cummunity page as that's what we are discussing = what tools do they want, and how do we create a new kind of directory to the disciplinary (.eu) group's environments. Please NB. The number of languages involved. Top right. http://europeana.eu/portal/communities.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Free. But will users find it?
On Apr 9, 2:58 am, Alan awy...@une.edu.au wrote: Hi, Thanks for this discussion its highlighted an issue for a site on WE that I work on a lot but has only small traffic (DE Hub). The curator idea is interesting, however any limit on the availability of materials because they have been returned to the basement seams to me to run counter to the spirit of OERs. Certainly having a curating function that pushes out what is current an available could work assuming the availability of funding and resources to support the activity. Exactamente, as they say here in Spain, although (on the web) it's pretty hard to figure out which page is the basement and which is the front desk a lot of the time of the time isn't it. I guess if one wanted to pursue this line of curation inquiry, in English, you'd go somewhere like the http://www.dcc.ac.uk/ But I'll use my last entry as an example of how things really work in the 'online' world. Someone asks a question and (2 weeks later) someone throws in a piece of advice as to where someone might start. I wish to raise an issue that at first may not seam relevant but is closely related and apologies if this has been raised in the past. I've been following this and other discussion on WE for the past few weeks and we seam to be making reference to OEr users without being particularly specific about which users. It appears to me that there a numerous users who will have different expectations of the OER they are seeking. Three that immediately come to mid are the student (looking for a structured program of study), the free wheeling student (who wishes to compile their own learning program from a range of available resources) and the teacher (looking to add, supplement or build a program of study for students). Clearly there are many possible content cross overs between the OERs they all require, however it seams to me that there is not enough consideration given to the design of the OER to meet the needs of the different users. This spreads into the discussion concerning where to find OERs, as end user will not necessarily wish to hunt through all the resources that do not meet their needs. This I suggest compounds the issue of how to get the end user to find the right OER for their individual needs. Ramblings of an new oer player. Cheers, Alan Wyle It's a good ramble Mr Wyle. I guess I'm fortuntate (or self deceived). I always use this para to orientate my thoughts. http://wikieducator.org/Practice:Towards_a_new_Institution_of_Learning#Improving_collaboration_and_content_interoperability_between_mainstream_OER_projects It means I just can't think like a teacher. I'm just a guy with a AV (geekish) background who has been trying to understand what may happen when the content builders', and the (research) network guys', thinking starts to align. NB. When i talk about research networks in Europe (Randy) I'm thinking from this perspective, http://www.dante.net/ When I'm thinking from the other side of the atlantic I'm thinking internet2 and canarie. When I'm thinking ant content builders, I'm thinking about anyone who has a preferred tool and is producing something useful. It's wikis around here and teleconferencing/video stuff in my preferred sandpit. I'm mentioning teleconferencing because the change to the commons paradigm means we talk about 'capturing' content, not (just) producing it for consumption. That said, if you follow the 'findability' arguement up it's logical thread, then you have to ask yourself what tools do we share on our 'commons', and who is the customer (or prosumer as it might be called in the new learning paradigm). You'll always come back to this idea that we need to have a 'commons' for a GLOBAL, MULTI LANGUAGE disciplinary group, or Community of Practice). And we (the dante network guys) are just about to have this conversation, at a euro level with the people who have aggregated huge repository of raw (CC) materials. I'm pointing to their cummunity page as that's what we are discussing = what tools do they want, and how do we create a new kind of directory to the disciplinary (.eu) group's environments. Please NB. The number of languages involved. Top right. It seems overwhelming when you first attempt to make some sense out of this. But the only way it works for me is to look at that para, forget about teaching anything to anyone and just share my own learning, cause I have so much to learn. Thanks Alan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Free. But will users find it?
That's great Joshua, John, Joyce, Edwin, Let me note this one. what I think we are talking about is not simply findability of a site, but, rather being able to continually reach out to people and engage them and connect them with a project. It really is the point isn't it? My perspective, which is one of an old audio/video teacher, has me looking at 'repositories' or 'libraries' in terms of tens of thousands of TV stations or utube channels, each broadcasting or streaming their contents (in different languages). It's a bit your idea of libraries with their endless shelves of contents; only the 'consumer' can do nothing but switch between channels in a search for something useful. All WE want is a sociable curator(s) who can reach out/direct a student to a small shelf of media, in their preferred format, which they understand may be useful to a searcher, after understanding their level of understanding, age, language, etc. The one thing which seems to be becoming apparent to most people here, if they are thinking about 'findability' and an interactive space where learning communties might coalesce, is the fundamental idea that these communities are firstly, global and secondly, disciplinary focussed ones. At the same time, i spend a lot of my time talking with the (NREN and commercial telecommunication's) network engineers who try and understand what 'products and services' their content producers might want. E.g. http://www.terena.org/activities/media/meeting1/ The web, for them, is simply the door to a range of back end services which are largely duplicated because they're rarely asked to build networks on behalf of global groups. National institutions are the ones who call the tunes and spend the money, so the global aggregations tend to be just on the 'surface' level. The main effect here is that the real time communications networks, which can't be as forgiving as the information networks (latency, bandwidth, etc. limitations), remain pretty expensive for most web users. It's a CATCH 22. We're beginning to see the start of how we might begin to solve this problem ( a least at a euro librarian's level) at a portal called europeana. I'll just point you at this (embryonic) page. http://www.europeana.eu/portal/communities.html?page=view# Let me flag this idea as it an attempt at using a librarian's logic to put some shape on a disciplinary centric web. What if we use the dewey code as a way to classify the url's and communication's hub of european communities? The idea is to institute a new kind of directory which uses a cut down dewey code with european as the directory host. i.e. xxx.xxx.europeana.eu Now this is no great leap. It's simply an attempt to bring together (european) real time network engineers and curators, and have them focus their professional logics on disciplinary communities' repositories and communications at the same time. I've always found that it much easier an active and committeed group (who might speak different languages) to work together if they share the same 'telephone' (conferencing) number as well as the same url. We'll see. On Apr 7, 7:24 pm, Joshua Gay joshua...@gmail.com wrote: I apologize ahead of time for derailing this conversation a bit. However, I believe that it presents a good opportunity to touch upon what I believe to be an important issue. It seems like there is a deeper issue being discussed in this thread than simply the findability of a project's site. For example, even if a person is able to come to your project homepage and know how to get there, it doesn't mean that this will necessarily get them any closer to finding what aspects of the project will be the most relevant for them. So, what I think we are talking about is not simply findability of a site, but, rather being able to continually reach out to people and engage them and connect them with a project. I believe that for a project to be able to achieve this that participants must continually take on the roll of curator. To provide some intuition behind what I mean, let's consider the job of the curators of a very large art museum. Their goal is not simply to make available their entire collection to the public. If they did this, in some cases it would take a person weeks of walking through miles of corridors and buildings. Instead, their goal is to use their collections as effectively as possible and to facilitate various activities such as exhibits, research, and education. Or, consider the job of curating a large library. Popular and new books are exhibited in a way to both be accessible and inviting. Special collections and exhibits are often carefully crafted collages of information. Creating processes and roles to manage circulations is often of vital importance to whether or not a library is effectively achieving its mission. And then beyond these kinds of activities, curators of libraries must often put their most effort into satifying their
[WikiEducator] Re: What's the OER equivalent of the co-opetition model?
On Apr 5, 1:03 am, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, I agree -- opencast / NREN is a very significant node in the OER ecosystem. From my perspective -- I see this as one of the strategic projects which can contribute to taking OER to a new level and possibly as a CollabOERate project? Observing the OER landscape as an international movement -- I think there are considerable opportunities for improving strategic collaboration for the benefit of individual projects -- and I agree, we should do our best to avoid the temptation of creating our own rounder wheels ;-). The CollabOERate concept aims to address some of these gaps -- think about CollabOERate as a virtual (but global) RD space to identify and collaborate on strategic projects for the benefit of all involved in the OER movement. (http://wikieducator.org/OERF:CollabOERate). There is a noticeable gap on the strategy innovation front for the OER field (taking into account that this is part of the natural maturation cycle of the movement). BTW -- I saw early prototypes of this kind of strategy innovation work at the Centre for Open and Sustainable Learning -- but since David has moved on to BYU, I think there has bee a shift in focus and I see less of this kind of OER specific strategy prototype work. (Thankfully David is not considering a move away from BYU as announced on 1 April 2010 --http://opencontent.org/blog/archives/1343) ;-) In order for this to work -- I think CollabOERate needs to base the concept on the principles of Open Philanthropy --- and much of my thinking here is based on the foresight of Mark Surman (see:http://commonspace.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/open-philanthropy-and-a-t...) CollabOERate is a remix (hack) of the open philanthropy concept for the OER world. When I'm over at the Yale conference -- I'll try and find out who is interested in taking this idea forward. == Thanks Wayne, (and excuse a stroppy old engineer) Can we start here and work backwards. I've made a few notes on the conference's cloudworks space. It's the only place where OER's appear to be trying to be inclusive. http://www.cloudworks.ac.uk/cloud/view/3316 I don't know Ben Janssen. But he would be across the emerging dutch case. It's the only national strategy which I've seen which comes down out of the clouds. (excuse the pun). http://openedconference.org/archives/1069 They look past the idealism and focus on what are the most practical ways of acheiving some concrete goals. strategy innovation work vs. plan. The dutch seem to be more down to earth than the anglo speaking world. They know that OER means nothing unless the contents have a network to sit in, which is connected to/shared with, others. Hopefully ben will know some of the SURFnet guys (Franz Ward is the name in terena's action group) , and about mimosa. http://www.mediamosa.org/node/20 (a dutch version of opencast). This is a good approach because their 'front end' / 'back end' explanation of mediamosa enables OER content developers and OER network engineers to separate into their own(potentially) complementary worlds. Beats having them ignore one another forever, as they do. They also think a bit broader about OER, which is why the Dutch National library seems to have instigated this euro wide oer collection. Oh look! there's a door open. http://www.europeana.eu/portal/communities.html So far as the UK (OU) is concerned, it's a bit barren of original thought. Lot's of good intentions though. The OU did have a play at doing the usual real time (chat, video conferencing, etc) approach a few years ago, which was getting there. But it's so much easier to talk about the number of courses 'manufactured', so the back end developments just disappeared. You could also ask David Kernohan what ever happened to Janetcollaborate = another expensive samo project, another silo. They should find that the dutch case will provide some logic to reorganising all of their wonderfully round wheels. We really must put together a project for funding, But that will take some time considering that we don't have the OER networked culture yet. (catch 22 eh?) . Let's move this along now. The discussion in terena's secretariat is shortly going to get around to actually using an online place rather than designing, building and then ignoring it. E.g http://moril.eadtu.nl/ Maybe we should think about in which domain WE's might want these kinds of OER tools, and how they could be structured to be intuitive. I'd suggest something like www.oer.eu if you want to take a euro perspective. Or maybe we just move them into the europeana domain. Reagrdless, could you ask the yale guys if they would stream the workshop? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum:
[WikiEducator] Re: What's the OER equivalent of the co-opetition model?
Hi Wayne, I hope you don't mind if i throw this one in. But you know I think as much about the OE stuff, although I'm more interested in the way that the (NREN) network guys address the same things. i.e. compared to the 'resources' which gets passed around and stored in them. I've given you the story that networks are built around National institutions, not the global communities like WE. And you;ll know my interest is more about how the Open Education (network) resources are developed more by global communities than each NREN reinventing their smao samo wheel. We'll, we've got as far as the techs at terena (trans euro research and education network association), after their last meeting in Athens (which was linked with a few other sites around Europe, including moi in madrid unis telecommunications lab), starting to talk to the guys at both mediamosa and opencast. Both open source. I'll point you at a page in opencast where you can see the the other 'affliated projects'. http://www.opencastproject.org/project/open_u http://www.mediamosa.org/node/20 Now we're getting down to 'comparing features' I've got to try and convince academics to consider the customer - you know, the content builders like WE who don't want to know about the geek stuff; 'just give us the functionality'. (not trying to be rude here:) How do we work from the demand side? (val's nice rhetoric). i think in the first instance we need to start building our global communties at every conference we can. The wiki way is a model which isn't so easily seen in the real time (geek) world. I wish i could somehow show the grunt standing behind this innocuous virtual conference site. http://vcc.dit.upm.es/spaces/global - and explain how it aligns with the way a wiki brings global people to a spot in cyberspace, in real time. But you've got a better imagination than I. Some of us tend to believe that education has moved from by delivery to through inquiry, where spoonfeeding is being replaced by 'shared mastication'. (don't we). So when you're on the forum at yale will you ask them why they're being so uninclusive. Boy could I suggest a few potential projects, after ben and you have given us your perspectives of course. BTW. Where's fred? http://openedconference.org/archives/1069 At the risk of crossing the academic boundaries, this is where I'd suggest for funding. http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/foi/events/fippp/index_en.htm And randy, you little pun artist, very nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
[WikiEducator] Re: Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Just a note; not sure if its of any use. This is an open source media platform (with transcoder) put together for the Dutch NREN. http://www.mediamosa.org/node/20 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Thanks Randy, I've set myself the task of trying to encourage first the network guys - terena people are mainly the techs from each nren in europe - and the guys from my alma mater - http://sae.edu/en-gb/news_overview/726/News - mainly AV guys and web designers in dozens of countries, to start talking. These are primarily technical guys = terena for the networks and SAE for the front end to the networks. I'm trying to figure out how content producers, like the WE community, can be introduced into this equation. Content is the most important thing but most content producers won't understand how functionality can be built into 'converging smart networks', and networks are useless without good content. The main change is having National REN's reconfigured to support global (disciplinary centric) content 'prosumers' instead of national institutions. Believe me WE (and the WMF) is at the top of my mind when it comes to talking to NREN techs about the producer/customer. Give me a little time to get my feet under the table in Europe. I'll just leave you with these 2 links to terena's conference last year and the agenda for this year, to give yu an overview of their community's perspectives. http://tnc2009.terena.org/ http://tnc2010.terena.org/schedule/ I'll just mention that it's getting close to running a series of workshops between different global spots at the same time (and streaming, recording archiving video in the one place). So if you'd like to factor that approach into your thinking, when those in the .eu domain get around to working through how they will be linking up with the Americas and Asia we can start talking about how the project will be funded. All the best, simon Hi Simon, Regarding your meetings with Terena, please put in a plug for upcoming WikiResearcher.org http://wikieducator.org/OERF:Projects#WikiResearcher -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Do WikiEducator's want to embed links to video in their OER resources?
Hi Wayne et al, I'll just vote for the use of Blip as, short term, it offers the ability to embed a video with an approriate license, and find them via the cc.org search tool. A bit of a band aid approach but no can say the WE community ain't creative. Longer term, in the (academic) video communities the considerations are the same as the WE model = how to set up a spot in cyberspace so a disciplinary community can get together and produce content, capture their communications, stream them, build an archive create a way for global communities to find them; regardless of their preferred language. The only real complication to the model is that they are attempting to bring the real time stuff and (say) asynchronous stuff to the same publishing point (as the comms guys will call it). E.g. WE groups would probably like to stream events from the WE domain as a publishing point, record it and then archive at the same (streaming) point, which enhances the community archive while reinforcing the domain's 'attractive' qualities. I'm in Spain now primarily to see if the terena communities won't work together in order to provide a solution to the global communities who span the Trans European Research Education Networks. The agenda's are beginning to form up now. I'll just point you at these three task force agendas. Storage/Archiving. http://www.terena.org/activities/tf-storage/ws7/agenda.html Streaming and distribution. http://www.terena.org/activities/media/meeting1/programme.html Real Time Comms and promotion. http://www.terena.org/activities/tf-cpr/ (Thats not quite right as a description of each but, taken together, covers the main issues). Terena is attractive to me primarily as their communities must address the language challenge = where one domain aggregates the raw materials in a commons in order to share them with similar disciplinarians/different languages. (gives me a chance to learn Espanol as well). Hope this note doesn't distract you from just doing what you have in mind (as if I could). Just tuck it away for future reference. http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/activities/foi/events/fippp/index_en.htm All the best. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: OER Interoperability
The NZ Ministry of Education is funding a trial that incorporates a test WikiEducator instance into a single sign on infrastructure for a cluster of schools here. I'm a fan of lightweight mechanisms like OpenID which I hope the WE community may adopt, since we are not as strict about identity as some organizations. Thanks Jim, that's good to know. And I hear what you say about the OPen ID, which probably won't take long to put in place. But if you look at this continuum we're in, on one side we are looking for a basic ID, so we don't have to sign in to a web site all the time. That's not really a federated ID as Middleware-heads mean it. At the top level, in each country, a federated ID looks (as a NZealander) something like this. http://www.dia.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Services-Identity-Verification-Service-Questions-and-Answers?OpenDocument In the developed world, this is usually seperated between the .gov and.edu. But you can see that this ID could be used for all service providers in NZ. So the trial you mention is quite unnecessary. It's already been proved. I find it amusing that one could use it already to apply for a student loan (as the example explains). This will have you saying what this to do with WE?. The point here is that we have governments offering National ID's, when so many people want access to international databases. That link I pointed you at (the aaf one) shows the Aussies duplicating in the unis, what has already been done in the gov space (like igovt). As the aaf matures, sometime next year they will be thinking how to federate with unis globally. My discussions with terena will include how this may be done across the euro and u.s. unis, and what 'services' an ID may offer access to. So we have a catch 22. Communities like wikipedia and wikiedicator. i.e. passionate people who prefer to use one tool to produce open content often duplicate wonderful stuff in their attempts to acheive their related visions. Rarely do they have an opportunity to contemplate what other ICT services may be identified which could be shared between communities. (I noticed the Connexions Google group as another duplication) Meanwhile, the Middleware guys who must allocate resources, and try and figure out what service may be demanded and when, are simply bamboozled. I think duplication isn't quite the right word. I believe the different communities have different cultures and appeal to different users. I see the work I'm doing to allow interchange of resources between WikiEducator and Connexions as benefiting each. Given content in open formats, the platform(s) for editing and distribution is(are) a matter of convenience. The data (OER in this case) is the key. No, I think the word duplication is right. The problem we all have is this idea of thinking a domain represents a community. I understand we can't help it. I'm used to thinking in terms of mastheads. In publishing for most of my media working life, the key has been to recompile the same content for lots of individual outputs for different communities (and usually wrap advertising around it). I also appreciate that we should believe that data is the key. I just wish i could. Let me give you an example. Read that discussion Valerie started about using merlot to promote WE. http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator/browse_thread/thread/6fd6d3fc55ed8e0f/63e7d5f686f39d3e?hl=en#63e7d5f686f39d3e You can see valerie's approach - duplicate WE resources within Merlot. And you can see mine. Sign an MOU, put a link from the partner community links to the WE home page. Between the two there's probably a shade of grey which works better. You see I think WE has something very special, and it's the thing which every lifelong learner hankers after in a world of teaching institutions. Community. (it also helps to have a fast forworder like Wayne) Let me add one more point, about communication. We are supposed to see the WE and Connexions community stick to their own Google group. Why? If we are supposed to be working together why wouldn't we share a comms space. This the crux of what I'm trying to encourage. Just because you might have different mastheads doesn't mean you should share the same comms tools, because while we all drown in data, the communication between domains is so limited. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Open philanthropy is the way to go!
on the inside/external divide (apart from saying that the interanals live in a dreamworld at the public expense). It's just s different in each country and gov's are taking such different approaches. But really what you are saying is the cost, because I know NZ, for one has plenty of bandwidth in the backbone. NZ (and OZ) will find out, like Europe has already, that the primary stopper here is the interconnect fees between mobile carriers - wireless (via mobile networks) being the boomer in most countries at the moment. The other problem is that Unis can't market to commercial carriers. I'll explain that one another time. vamonos Cheers Wayne 2009/11/30 simonfj simo...@cols.com.au Congrats guys, Yu really are doing wonderful stuff. Can I bring up this one about the technology required to make the OER vision a reality. I wish i could talk about the physical infrastructure/distribution meaningfully but this is beyond me. I've set myself up an impossible enough task by attempting to get the content creators, many of whom are OERers, and the infrastructure guys, to collaborate. Or at least gain some understanding of what each community is doing. Their ends do coincide, if not their language and agendas. Most of the global infrastructure developments in the edu/research/gov domains can be seen through this euro centric portal. http://global.dante.net/ So far as the language in this technical space is concerned, the main language revolves around what is called Middleware; the software layer that helps apps talk to one another and sits above different operating systems. The apps are what content creators just want access to. We need a user name password, usually issued by single institution to their version of an app and content = duplicate ad infinatum. This is something the OER Foundation is addressing fundamentally. At the moment, throughout the (mainly developed) world, there is a push on by all NREN to create federations. Rather than going into great detail, let me just point you at this Aussie initiative. Take for granted with a bit of work i could point at a similar initiative in your country.http://www.aaf.edu.au/index.php/services/ Long story short, we are getting to the point whare the NREN are reconfiguring to support global groups (taskforces/ committees) rather than national institutions. All the groups tend to be subject specific in their interests and the bandwidth, apps - in short, the 'network services' - which their global community will want to use. The middleware guys in each NREN understand that the only way they can satisfy these disparate needs is to try and talk to each community, which is a bit like herding cats on a global basis = impossible So we have a catch 22. Communities like wikipedia and wikiedicator. i.e. passionate people who prefer to use one tool to produce open content often duplicate wonderful stuff in their attempts to acheive their related visions. Rarely do they have an opportunity to contemplate what other ICT services may be identified which could be shared between communities. (I noticed the Connexions Google group as another duplication) Meanwhile, the Middleware guys who must allocate resources, and try and figure out what service may be demanded and when, are simply bamboozled. OK. That the rave. I'm sorry for it. I'm sitting in Manila after talking to their preginet, after taking for years with the likes of aarnet, karen, internet2 (do a google search on NREN if yu want the list), and it seems like the right time and place to start looking at this. Let me bring it down to something concrete. If you're in the APac region, this is the hub of the geekly get together. http://www.apan.net/meetings/Sydney2010/schedule.php My interest is in the e-culture thread, cause the WP community has it, and APAN members have a clue but no experience of it. I'll be be talking to terena's taskforces who look at this convergence and be pushing to have a VC link up between Euro sites and Sydney. It would be great if we could get the ice broken here to run, not just for a singular event, but a series of get togethers which might help welcome a few nearsiders to the e-culture fold, and give us an opportunity to see which basic tools (services) many global OER communities could share. regards, PS Randy, How about Canada (canarie)? On Nov 28, 10:35 am, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Edward, Always interested in talking about the learning infrastructure needed to make OER happen globally :-) Are you interested in discussing the infrastructure needed to make this happen globally? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator:http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum:http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator
[WikiEducator] Re: Open philanthropy is the way to go!
As you figure these things out - and you can prime me with the right technical questions to ask the folks at CANAIRIE -http://www.canarie.ca- , I'll be happy to make some enquiries. My good buddy Jamie Rossiter may also have some contacts there that we may wish to contact. (I may be wrong, but at one time he might have sat on the board of either Canairie, or OCRI in Ottawa) -www.ocri.ca Thanks Randy. That's kind of you . No real technical question. The obvious tool to use is the accessgrid, and that quite mature now. Choose a site. http://www.accessgrid.org/community One thing which would be great, cause you strike me as a creative type, would be if you portable camera, and try and get our geekish friends to understand that what we are attempting is a professional TV show, not an academic meeting. I'm not saying we are trying to pose, but if you have a handycam with mic when someone asks a question, and you stick it under their nose, it works. We had a lot of fun with the learning when linking up between Melbourne, Brisbane and Woolongong. Besides the unrelenting technical stuff ups (we were band aiding it together through a lousy wireless connection and ustream), the raw approach made every at ease. Give me a bit of time getting over to Europe (popping in on UAE's NREN). I guess the main thing would be to see how many people in the unis around you would like to 'sit in' on the Apan's sydney meetings. Check out the e-culture and 'future of the internet' streams' http://www.apan.net/meetings/Sydney2010/schedule.php Cheers, - Randy On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Simon, The OER Foundation is very receptive to facilitating shared infrastructure. That said, to date we've not had much success with Karen yet in figuring our how WikiEdcuator.nz for example could collaborate and share the local NREN. Obviously synchronous communication tools would be a great value addition to this OER learning infrastructure mmm -- I don't see that the CNX-WE project is duplication -- rather a step in the right direction to improve OER interoperability and hopefully contribute to less duplication of effort. I'm I missing something. At the end of the day -- this comes down to dollars -- the folk who take the decisions about resource allocation. From OERFs perspective -- we have no preference for the infrastructure that is used - -as long as its free software. So what are you proposing? A couple of Video conferences bringing folk from the OER community together with the NRENs? That seems like a sensible thing to be do. What do we want to talk about? Is this about NRENS hosting installations like WE? (not such a bad idea IMHO -- most of the newer NRENs need content to generate the traffic to warrant the investment ;-) ) -- But hey -- sites like WE are not white listed on Karen (to the best of my knowledge) -- so while, for example our institution has theoretical access to this amazing bandwidth, NZ WikiEducator usesr must chug along using the narrow pipe alternatives for access. How do we mediate the language between the technogeeks and the technophobes (we teachers ;-) ) during these discussions. Cheers Wayne 2009/11/30 simonfj simo...@cols.com.au Congrats guys, Yu really are doing wonderful stuff. Can I bring up this one about the technology required to make the OER vision a reality. I wish i could talk about the physical infrastructure/distribution meaningfully but this is beyond me. I've set myself up an impossible enough task by attempting to get the content creators, many of whom are OERers, and the infrastructure guys, to collaborate. Or at least gain some understanding of what each community is doing. Their ends do coincide, if not their language and agendas. Most of the global infrastructure developments in the edu/research/gov domains can be seen through this euro centric portal. http://global.dante.net/ So far as the language in this technical space is concerned, the main language revolves around what is called Middleware; the software layer that helps apps talk to one another and sits above different operating systems. The apps are what content creators just want access to. We need a user name password, usually issued by single institution to their version of an app and content = duplicate ad infinatum. This is something the OER Foundation is addressing fundamentally. At the moment, throughout the (mainly developed) world, there is a push on by all NREN to create federations. Rather than going into great detail, let me just point you at this Aussie initiative. Take for granted with a bit of work i could point at a similar initiative in your country.http://www.aaf.edu.au/index.php/services/ Long story short, we are getting to the point whare the NREN are reconfiguring to support global groups (taskforces/ committees
[WikiEducator] Re: Open philanthropy is the way to go!
Congrats guys, Yu really are doing wonderful stuff. Can I bring up this one about the technology required to make the OER vision a reality. I wish i could talk about the physical infrastructure/distribution meaningfully but this is beyond me. I've set myself up an impossible enough task by attempting to get the content creators, many of whom are OERers, and the infrastructure guys, to collaborate. Or at least gain some understanding of what each community is doing. Their ends do coincide, if not their language and agendas. Most of the global infrastructure developments in the edu/research/gov domains can be seen through this euro centric portal. http://global.dante.net/ So far as the language in this technical space is concerned, the main language revolves around what is called Middleware; the software layer that helps apps talk to one another and sits above different operating systems. The apps are what content creators just want access to. We need a user name password, usually issued by single institution to their version of an app and content = duplicate ad infinatum. This is something the OER Foundation is addressing fundamentally. At the moment, throughout the (mainly developed) world, there is a push on by all NREN to create federations. Rather than going into great detail, let me just point you at this Aussie initiative. Take for granted with a bit of work i could point at a similar initiative in your country. http://www.aaf.edu.au/index.php/services/ Long story short, we are getting to the point whare the NREN are reconfiguring to support global groups (taskforces/ committees) rather than national institutions. All the groups tend to be subject specific in their interests and the bandwidth, apps - in short, the 'network services' - which their global community will want to use. The middleware guys in each NREN understand that the only way they can satisfy these disparate needs is to try and talk to each community, which is a bit like herding cats on a global basis = impossible So we have a catch 22. Communities like wikipedia and wikiedicator. i.e. passionate people who prefer to use one tool to produce open content often duplicate wonderful stuff in their attempts to acheive their related visions. Rarely do they have an opportunity to contemplate what other ICT services may be identified which could be shared between communities. (I noticed the Connexions Google group as another duplication) Meanwhile, the Middleware guys who must allocate resources, and try and figure out what service may be demanded and when, are simply bamboozled. OK. That the rave. I'm sorry for it. I'm sitting in Manila after talking to their preginet, after taking for years with the likes of aarnet, karen, internet2 (do a google search on NREN if yu want the list), and it seems like the right time and place to start looking at this. Let me bring it down to something concrete. If you're in the APac region, this is the hub of the geekly get together. http://www.apan.net/meetings/Sydney2010/schedule.php My interest is in the e-culture thread, cause the WP community has it, and APAN members have a clue but no experience of it. I'll be be talking to terena's taskforces who look at this convergence and be pushing to have a VC link up between Euro sites and Sydney. It would be great if we could get the ice broken here to run, not just for a singular event, but a series of get togethers which might help welcome a few nearsiders to the e-culture fold, and give us an opportunity to see which basic tools (services) many global OER communities could share. regards, PS Randy, How about Canada (canarie)? On Nov 28, 10:35 am, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Edward, Always interested in talking about the learning infrastructure needed to make OER happen globally :-) Are you interested in discussing the infrastructure needed to make this happen globally? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: MERLOT to promote WikiEducator
Val, Re the logo. I'm not sure if you link to the logo or have o up load it to your member's profile. http://www.merlot.org/merlot/viewMember.htm?id=419049 If it just needs a link then just go up to the wikiedu logo, right click. copy link location and then insert it in the member's box. If you need to upload then you might just do a snip and save of the logo to your computer, and then browse upload. If you haven't snipped and saved, and have vista, then with a search you'll find it on your computer. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/Use-Snipping-Tool-to-capture-screen-shots If not vista then Screenshot is one free capture tool which works OK. Not sure about the contributions, whether you'd want to go disciplinary, which is a lot of work; or partner which would seem more logical. Seems like the link on the partner communities page sends one off to sites that I haven't seen move for years. http://www.merlot.org/merlot/communities.htm So maybe WE board would like to sign one of their agreements, which align pretty well, and then just have them link to WE Home page. http://taste.merlot.org/inst_mou05-06.pdf My only experience of Merlot is that, while a great idea, it seems to be just something which a bureaucracy run, and offers a way to raise money for CSU. I've never seen these guys do anything but talk. http://taste.merlot.org/globe.html About objects never community. After hopping on a plane and meeting in some very nice hotels of course :) regards, Any suggestions for what WE should put in the contribution listings? ..Valerie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Will WYSIWYG editing make a difference for WE?
Geez mate. It threewww me when I opened the edit page and had the original looking back at me. Staring; looking for the box with the code (habit of course). Bloody brilliant! So when are you going to offer this to the WMF? (and are you going to have a' save to' box which says, where do you want to save this = which domain(s). You certainly know how to take the easy yards first. I'll have a bit more of a play over the next couple of weeks. But how about we start getting under the WMF's skin. Maybe you could do a mention on some of the WMF mail lists and ask for testers. I get the impression that San Fran could use a little leadership while all the stategy stuff goes on. So who do we have to thank for doing the grunt? On Nov 15, 12:49 pm, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Will WYSIWYG editing make a difference? WE think so, and we need your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Taking OER remix to new levels: WikiEducator, Connexions and Mediawiki
Leo, I'm intrugued as to why you ask. I've been trying to get OCLC involved in the OE world forever. Considering we have so many duplications of (free) edu/research archives and only one webbed world, where OCLC members do most of the physical classifying, they would seem an influntial partner. I'll just mention http://orweblog.oclc.org/ But tell us, why OCLC? On Nov 18, 11:43 am, Wong Leo leolao...@gmail.com wrote: Tks Wayne for this , does this Connexions have anything to do with OCLC ? 2009/11/18 Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com Hi Everyone, With generous funding support from the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the OER Foundation is pleased to announce that we are able to take OER interoperability and remix potential to new levels. Collaborating with OER projects which subscribe to licenses which meet the requirements of the free cultural works definition, WE aim to provide educators with greater freedom of choice to mix and match the best of two OER worlds, namely producer-consumer models with more traditional work flow approaches and commons-based peer production. This is an exciting project to build import export capability between the Connexions and WikiEducator/Mediawiki platforms. WE need your help in building better OER futures. 1. Please visit the project planning node to find out more about the project:http://wikieducator.org/CNX-WE 2. WE extend an open invitation to all Connexions authors, WikiEducator authors, editors of the Wikimedia Foundation Projects to help us achieve success with this project. 3. WE will use the Connexions mailing list on Google Groups for our discussions -- Join the list if you're interested ( http://groups.google.co.nz/group/connexions-community) 4. Visit the mini SWOT analysis page on WikiEducator and help us understand the context and remix needs of educators and OER authors ( http://tinyurl.com/yakk4vm) 5. Consider joining our open planning team or list of active contributors (http://tinyurl.com/yed7erx) Gee -- you gotta love open philanthropy! Let's make OER remix and interoperability futures happen for education. Cheers Wayne -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. Board of Directors, OER Foundation. Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator,www.wikieducator.org Mobile +64 21 2436 380 Skype: WGMNZ1 Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg -- Leo Wong --http://helpsuzhou.blogbus.com/HELP There is something very special and powerful about engaging directly with the real teacher and real Kids -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
[WikiEducator] Re: Wikipedia model
For example, WikiEducator and Wikiversity may be perceived by some as competing projects -- but I don't buy into this rational. We are all collaborating as nodes in the free culture network contributing towards the vision of free access to the world's knowledge. YO! It seems to me that we should work towards facilitating the connections and remix opportunities among open content projects. This is a key strategic focus of the OER Foundation -- namely to facilitate the evolution of the OER ecosystem. Our work in building OER content interoperability between Connexions and Mediawiki software being a prime example. I agree -- alliances, partnerships and technology infrastructure are the gaps we need to resolve :-) Just going through the WE 'operational' page, and seeing that Marketing is the next step. One required bridge, as I see it, is between this lovely community of content creators and their peers who prefer other tools, and the geeks (Ok, engineers). You'll know in my mind this comes down to the geeks in NREN, so I'll point you at what i think is going to be the hub of my geekish universe next year. http://www.terena.org/activities/compendium/ (Bottom of the page) Terena seem to be place for me, primarily because Amsterdam and Spain are nice places and their NREN's speak a bunch of languages. (should be a challenge) Anglos always miss the rest of the world. WE is primarily in the text and graphics space, but I'm an old audio/ video engineer and real time' needs a lot more work between NREN's than the web stuff, particularly as sometimes you'll want to skype and other times, run an Accessgrid conference. (and the difference between the two is just allocating bandwidth) I know that WE is in the edu space, whereas from what I'm picking up, the real driver is coming from the .gov area. (Inclusion is the catchcry around the global traps. Digital Engagement is the slogan). Let me point you at this one. http://www.terena.org/activities/media/ws2/programme.html It's about media. If you look around at their other taskforces you'll see their PR and marketing people are crossing into this (media management) space. Another is trying to get the common service portfolios aligned. http://www.terena.org/activities/tf-msp/meetings/20090915/ They need to get a handle on the WE's of this world rather than the institutionally centric old farts. I'm really going to need a few WE people to make them culturally aware (sharing a blog over there would help the conservative euros get their head around the WE paradigm, and being sociable). This will give you an idea of a tool which might be useful to the WE (and WMF) communties. http://www.global-project.eu/ (Hit the link to the virtual conference centre) to get some idea of what the guys down at Madrid uni are putting together. There are lots of others of course. But i think you'll find that the idea of global groups will begin to form into subject specific hubs before too long, rather than just single tools. The idea of running (A/web/V) conferences in a domain - broadcasting, streaming, and keeping the recordings where they are broadcast from would seem to be a common requirement. So i hope you're talking to KAREN. Sooner or later we'll have to start running a few global workshops and see if we can't get the conversations happening. BTW. We're starting to see a thing called distributed conferences starting i.e. 3 sites with local groups and 1 agenda. Would be nice to see the WMF/WE run a few for their strategy. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: A great idea for eliminating government waste
Wayne, Cherry, Gurmit, Thanks for this one; especially I think we need to concentrate more on the whole process of learning rather than put so much store on the content of learning. I tend to conceptualize this a bit broader. i.e. the whole concept of media production, and distribution, and the kind of (educational) institutions we might expect to see in the future. The latter discussion, about 'the unis of the future' is going on at the UK's OU's Cloudworks and around Europe at the moment. Re: Rory's piece. The Nederlands is well down the track here, primarily because the gov paid (800 Euros/yr/student) for schoolbooks until recently. Now they're looking at how this cost might be used to develop OERs. You might like to watch this video about their 'emerging National OER strategy'. http://openedconference.org/archives/1069 (Note the Indian report). There's a related slideshare here.http://www.slideshare.net/ ronaldhuizer/the-dutch-case-with-oer-at-opened At the same time Open Access is pretty well accepted, and most institutional librarians offer an upload box for authors, even though they get their kudos by getting published in journals, owned by third party publishers, who play games by bundling them, and selling them back to the same librarians. Academic media is the only media which hasn't reduced (like commercial media) due to no one coming up with a way to help librarians aggregate and market peer reviewed papers (and conferences). I don't need to point out all the aggregations of largely duplicated OERs, each course of which costs between 3,000 to 30,000 euros (as a dutch guide), produced by 1% to 2% of teachers. And open for remixing and redistribution due to their open licences. The sad part in all of this is that the making of OER, being a collaborative process, is not often seen as 'professional development' or an education in itself. So one one (old) side we have (overworked) teachers who don't have the time (or skills, or whatever), and on the other (young) side we have students who would probably love to contribute to improving OERs. And we all learn by watching others. I think we all see this. As Gurmit says, The political economy of sharing is not a given. We all understand it will be, simply because if things continue the way they are, the web will be doubling in size every 11 minutes by 2030. It is quite hard to see how these new collaboratories of learning might look; certainly wikieducator points the way, if only with one tool (a wiki), and this google group. Others OER distance learners make their choices. E.g. http://moril.eadtu.nl/supportaresources/learning-tools.html The thing which i still can't get out of my head is this idea that we are all sitting in the vast unclassified library called the internet. If I ever want to learn something in a physical library, I can ask a librarian where might be something about xyz, and she can always point me at a shelf. On the internet she can't do that, but at least, if the OER movement would work with a global group of librarians like OCLC, she might be able to help classify the domain name that a global (subject specific) community uses. And if they kept their open access journals in the same domain, we might have a chance at saving our edu institutions a few billion dollars. OK, it's only money. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Wikipedia model
That was so interesting valerie, Thanks for the comparison. Wikipedia was entirely collaborative development from the outset. Whether intended or not, WikiEducator has been much more about the practice of open publishing. I've always been interested in how the two domains would complement one another, especially as they use the same engine; and wayne's mention of a static version of course materials in Connexions: and an educational adaption of the Flagged Revisions extension for Mediawiki for implementing peer review gives me a better idea of how three domains might. Wikipedia as the the top layer (of chaos and promotion), wikieducator (and others) as the peers, and a fixed archive (in Connexions as one). I can't add anything terrible useful here. My interest is more in working through the real time tools that might be shared between members of edu networks and domains, and lobbying governments to put a cc license on every one of their GLAMs. But can I point you at this page in the wikipedia strategy process. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Questions_that_need_answers The main areas are at Point 5. Alliances and partnerships and technology infrastructure. Some interesting questions which collaboration between domains might answer better than any one by itself. Any answers from wikieducators will certainly be welcomed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Active interest in our Strategy -- WE welcome your inputs!
What! Someone is interested in my patent? Thanks so much. The principle is very definite = classify the (national and global) Communities Of Practice, using a well entrenched bibliographic classification system. Dewey is the most obvious, primarily as OCLC, as its owners, have lots of threads throughout the library world and beyond. E.g.They have(?) a relationship with Google. If you have a google taskbar, they used to have a thing called 'questionpoint' as one of the dropdown search engines. It disappeared a late last year but it's still going. Their user groups = World Bank's COP's. http://wiki.questionpoint.org/User+Groups It might be easier to just point you at a little group of network guys so you can see it how the patent would be implemented. You might know questnet. It's an annual get together of aarnet guys and their national global peers in this part of the world. These are the unis who run it. http://www.questnet.edu.au/confluence/display/qn/About I'd like to point you at a page from their recent conference, which you can't see because they closed it down last week. They were streaming live and shortly after, offering the recordings (AT THE SAME LINK, ON THE SAME PAGE). So it enabled me to point both the (real time) engineers and librarians at the same page and ask, if we classified the questnet domain as (my deepthroat at the NLA suggested) www.607.940.edu.au, could we use it as both the TV station number and the place where the archive for this COP could be kept/constructed. Same idea as scivee (I'll point you at this article there and leave you to get a feel for what they're doing in the scivee domain. http://www.scivee.tv/node/4988/talks/16 ) That's it. Nothing really changes, so far as processes or (internal domain) architecture are concerned. It leaves each community to their preferred tools and approaches. But it gets the hubs revolving around 1 COP in each country, and opens the way for the real time network engineers to do their linking/resource balancing between COP's in each country. A simple reclassification of a DNS name changes the perspective for the two professions = one pushing, the other pulling. But they don't like talking to one another do they? Regards and thanks, simon On Jul 30, 5:18 pm, Chris Harvey gnuch...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Simon, I was wondering if you could explain your patent, wasn't it something like the dewey system but using domain names or something like that? Warm Regards Chris Harvey On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM, simonfj simo...@cols.com.au wrote: Always good to touch base :-) ALLways= Responses in text below. Thanks Simon -- have you been pointing folk to the most recent page being used for strategy development of the OER Foundation? See: http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:OER_Foundation/Strategy (I saw in earlier emails that you were pointing to the Logic Model of the Hewlett foundation bid -- just checking ;-) ) No, you're right. The main message (I was making to them) was Towards_open_participatory_learning_environments and the comparison between producer/consumer models and commons based peer production, so yes I was pointing at the earlier page. = http://www.wikieducator.org/Funding_proposals/Towards_open_participat... Encourage your networks to provide feedback here: Geez mate. They're bureaucrats. And you've told me about the world bank ones. http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator_talk:OER_Foundation/Strategy The OER Foundation (OERF) subscribes to open philanthropy -- I'm encouraging very wide feedback. We need to get this right. Collaboration among OER initiatives is a strategic priority for the OERF -- it doesn't really matter where OER is hosted -- more important to facilitate a network of collaboration. OK. The main message I'll try and make is this. We have a gap between the creatives and the infrastructure guys, MIT seems to have the same perspective, probably because they have an akamai perspective (and percentage from it). http://wiki.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?title=A_Call_for_Papers:_OCWC... The infrastructure is already there. Its called an NREN in every country. The creatives, like wikix and moodlexxx, only consider the top layer; http only usually. And they don't often consider the real time between networks. Skype, a closed voip global, costs zero. It's good enough. The telcos build for institutions (sometimes globally) and individuals (usually locally). Global COP's, forget it! If you watch some of those questnet videos, especialy people like sami from the finish one, you'll see the common failings in each country. The networks revolve around institutions. As a start -- we will be working on building a technical bridge between Connexions and the MW platform. That's good. Sorting the info so one domain complements another. It's a bit like wikipedia signing an MOU to take 100k images
[WikiEducator] Re: Heywire8 OER Think Tank - Inviting kiwi thought leaders
HI Wayne, Just coming down off the GLAMwiki get together, which is the most comfortable conference I've ever attended ( so i guess I'm starting to feel at home). They'll be some videos and 'action items' up before much longer, but the main theme, is that every GLAM has tons of raw material, so how can wikimedians (mainly through the Commons) complement (and act as a promotional arm) for them. It's ALL educational material, so long as the Kiwi GLAMs accept the Creative Commons license as enthusiastically as Aussie ones. Pity we didn't invite a few more people from the .edu space. I think GLAM might morphe into GLAME. A couple of things, as you're going down the Ministry of ED route. This is the context I'm placing things in at your end. http://www.wiki.karen.net.nz/index.php/National_Education_Network So wiki(media/educator) are CASPs in Kiwish. And REANNZ translates as NREN (almost) globally. Although there's this infatuation with videoconferencing in the NRENs, the main point I'm trying to get noticed is that we should give kids (and wikieducators) the skinny (real time) tools they're comfortable with, starting with an ''academic Skype (network), which can then 'inflate' on demand. It's not a matter of these things haven't been invented or cost much. E.g. http://www.ventrilo.com/about.php But we should try and get a little coordination here, so one NREN can talk to another. Otherwise all we (have) end(ed) with, is each NREN having their own 1-2-3. http://www.aarnet.edu.au/services/real-time-communication/1-2-3-conferencing-booking-system/1-2-3-how-to-book-conferences.aspx i.e Islands in the stream. Do you know a Paul Reynolds? Seems he's consulting to NLNZ and NZ digital forum. Bloody (good) Scots! they're everywhere. I guess you're Haywired mates be asking similar questions to these. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Key_Questions So where does your OER strategy fit in this lot? http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Proposals regards, simonfj On Jul 18, 3:16 pm, Wayne Mackintosh mackintosh.wa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, New Zealand has scheduled another Heywire8 OER Think Tank we're inviting all Kiwis on the list who may be able to join us in Wellington on 4 August 2008. More importantly -- I'd encourage all WikiEducator's to think about launching their own national Heywire8 events :-). All the resources are available as free content :-). More detail below. Cheers Wayne Towards a national Open Education Resource collaboration We're pleased to announce that the National Library will be hosting a Heywire 8 Think Tank in Wellington on 4 August 2009 in collaboration with the Ministry of Education and the OER Foundation. While the event aims to draw participation from practitioners, policy makers and decision makers with an interest in OER from the Wellington region --- we welcome participation from all over New Zealand. Place is limited and participants will be accepted on a first-come first serve basis. Look forward to seeing you in Wellington! Cheers Wayne Heywire 8 Initiativehttp://wikieducator.org/Heywire8_Think_Tank Heywire 8 Wellingtonhttp://wikieducator.org/Heywire8_Think_Tank/Wellington Register -- Heywire8 Wellingtonhttp://wikieducator.org/Heywire8_Think_Tank/Wellington/Participants -- Wayne Mackintosh, Ph.D. Director, International Centre for Open Education, Otago Polytechnic, New Zealand. Board of Directors, OER Foundation. Founder and Community Council Member, Wikieducator,www.wikieducator.org Mobile +64 21 2436 380 Skype: WGMNZ1 Twitter: OERFoundation, Mackiwg --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Active interest in our Strategy -- WE welcome your inputs!
Always good to touch base :-) ALLways= Responses in text below. Thanks Simon -- have you been pointing folk to the most recent page being used for strategy development of the OER Foundation? See: http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:OER_Foundation/Strategy (I saw in earlier emails that you were pointing to the Logic Model of the Hewlett foundation bid -- just checking ;-) ) No, you're right. The main message (I was making to them) was Towards_open_participatory_learning_environments and the comparison between producer/consumer models and commons based peer production, so yes I was pointing at the earlier page. = http://www.wikieducator.org/Funding_proposals/Towards_open_participatory_learning_environments:_Open_textbooks,_educator_training#Improving_collaboration_and_content_interoperability_between_mainstream_OER_projects Encourage your networks to provide feedback here: Geez mate. They're bureaucrats. And you've told me about the world bank ones. http://wikieducator.org/WikiEducator_talk:OER_Foundation/Strategy The OER Foundation (OERF) subscribes to open philanthropy -- I'm encouraging very wide feedback. We need to get this right. Collaboration among OER initiatives is a strategic priority for the OERF -- it doesn't really matter where OER is hosted -- more important to facilitate a network of collaboration. OK. The main message I'll try and make is this. We have a gap between the creatives and the infrastructure guys, MIT seems to have the same perspective, probably because they have an akamai perspective (and percentage from it). http://wiki.ocwconsortium.org/index.php?title=A_Call_for_Papers:_OCWC_Global_2009_-_Content%2C_Infrastructure%2C_and_Creativity The infrastructure is already there. Its called an NREN in every country. The creatives, like wikix and moodlexxx, only consider the top layer; http only usually. And they don't often consider the real time between networks. Skype, a closed voip global, costs zero. It's good enough. The telcos build for institutions (sometimes globally) and individuals (usually locally). Global COP's, forget it! If you watch some of those questnet videos, especialy people like sami from the finish one, you'll see the common failings in each country. The networks revolve around institutions. As a start -- we will be working on building a technical bridge between Connexions and the MW platform. That's good. Sorting the info so one domain complements another. It's a bit like wikipedia signing an MOU to take 100k images from the german archivists into the wiki commons. So we duplicate (again), Meanwhile the infrstructure guys say Once we make some sense of how best to manage the archiving process we’ll see who else is able to host our data. http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/07/were-adding-an-off-site-archive-for-commons-and-the-xml-snapshots/ and the duplication goes on, and on. And the poor (national) librarians wonder what these upstarts are doing. I guess you know that WMF abcom are trying to get a process happening where ideas can be developed into concepts and then into projects. They've created a bit of a stir. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Advisory_Council_on_Proje... Yip --- You may also be interested in the approach WE is taking for the establishement of community-wide projects. We're currently working on a policy for Workgroups which hopefully cater for more flexible approaches, see: http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:WikiEducator_Workgroups/Guidelines That's nice, WE is probably the best at making these things explicit. If the moodlers (like OCWC) of the world were as good, we'd probably find a common language and approach. I take it you realize the (WE, WMF, Moodle) advisory board is just another workgroup? They could use some decent guidelines. You will also know that WMF will be comencing with an open strategy development process -- impressive project. I was over at WMF headquarters 2 weeks ago in my capacity as advisory board member helping the team to think through the process. Gosh, I wish we could see these kinds of conversations. Sounds like a cable channel to me. You spoken to the guys at researchchannel? It woud certainly alleviate their boring lectures. In the meantime, how about streaming them? Ted (turner) would probably stump the pennies, but Internet2 already have their commons, which, according to some of the guys, they'd like to share. My interest is, so far as the OER stuff is concerned, and that includes OCWC members, is how you might be acting as a catalyst here, or see wikieducator acting as a catalyst. I keep reading the doc, especially the (so called) paradox between teaching and learning, and just coming to a mental block. Which leads me to think that you're still looking at the Hewlett bid document -- which was very specific to some of the technical/pedagogical aspects of reuse. Either OER's are designed for one or the other.
[WikiEducator] Re: Active interest in our Strategy -- WE welcome your inputs!
Wayne, I've been pointing quite a few (wiki moodle centric) people at the strategy doc, and asking them if they have something similar. My interest is in how, if they were to collaborate, and (scope and) share a few projects, we might get past the idea that a domain name is anything but a placeholder. I guess you know that WMF abcom are trying to get a process happening where ideas can be developed into concepts and then into projects. They've created a bit of a stir. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Advisory_Council_on_Project_Development#Mission_and_Vision My interest is, so far as the OER stuff is concerned, and that includes OCWC members, is how you might be acting as a catalyst here, or see wikieducator acting as a catalyst. I keep reading the doc, especially the (so called) paradox between teaching and learning, and just coming to a mental block. Either OER's are designed for one or the other. It just can't be for both (that I can see). If they're for teaching then I'll stop bothering you. If they're for learning then we are trying to come up with modern digital libraries, whose 'commons' can be sucked into Communities of Practice (subject centric) domains, where they can be complemented with some Real Time tools. Can i point you at this conference of network engineers. http://qn2009vc.usq.edu.au/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=118 You'll find a few recordings of the live streams. The one from Mike Foley (from the world bank), as poor as it is, will be of interest. Lastly, you'll know that wikipedia.au have a conference on soon, and they've pulled quite a few reps from institutions. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/GLAM/Attendee_mailouts I had hoped you would be there to meet the new WMF project manager. Regardless, stay well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Community thoughts appreciated
On Jun 30, 2:04 am, Patricia Schlicht pschli...@col.org wrote: Good Morning! I would like to add a point to the discussions while we are at it and add another point of for discussion, which is the promotion of WikiEducator offsite 1. How does the community feel about setting up working groups for the discussion of the establishment of social network accounts such as Facebook, Twitter etc. Patricia, could we hold of for just a little longer on setting up a social network site. In no way am I trying to hold anyone back from doing what they feel must be done. It's just that there is a lot of discussion coming to a head in various NREN's now and I'm hoping WE can, as one of the most progressive global communities, lend our passions and skills to helping their National centric engineers understand how a global peer commons environment might look and operate, so they can reconfigure their networks to support us.edu (or us.ac.uk or us.edu.nz, etc) and other communities who use a different tool as a starting point (i,e, not a wiki) There's a little conference over in Australia next week which has a virtual version.http://www.questnet.net.au/questnet2009/ If anyone would like to participate, it would really help give some direction to that 'experiment' I mentioned before. That said, I always promote WE as example of where teachers/facilitators with a forward looking disposition are congregating (as quietly as possible). If you log in over at questnet, you'll see what i mean. This is all to do with (from an engineering perspective) trying to figure out the difference between clouds and grids and how they be made sustainable, which I don't want to bore WE's community members with. But the aim of it is moving to a new (global) institution for learning, as wayne writes about so well. For that to be acheivable we just need to share a little understanding of each profession's perspective, and find out what their communities have in common. 2. Now that we will shortly arrive at a new stage of promoting WikiEducator, how should this be done. I'd really be interested in what other communties WE members are registered with, and which initiatives give them the greatest hope. For me its edna as an australian.edu community, 'taking it global' as one for my younger global soul and me.edu.au as the initiative where i can see some sense being made of things. Promotion is something which communities used to do before the web was invented and we all became overloaded with info and tools. Inclusion is the description I'd use. 3. Is it necessary and if yes, why or why not 4. Any thoughts appreciated. I think you're wonderful. simon Cheers, Patricia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An Experiment
Thanks Maria, This goes back to Wayne's strategy doc about moving towards a new institution of learning. http://www.wikieducator.org/Funding_proposals/Towards_open_participatory_learning_environments:_Open_textbooks,_educator_training#Improving_collaboration_and_content_interoperability_between_mainstream_OER_projects The aim is to build tools, which regardelss of what point of (bandwidth) evolution wikieds or wikimedians are up to, they can always be included. Perhaps the best approach might be to watch these three (EVO) videos from CERN. http://it-multimedia.web.cern.ch/it-multimedia/collaborative/tutorials/ Each gives a different perspective of its use, depending on bandwidth. The top is an interactive TV station. The second is a web type conference. The third, the lowest, is this first experiment. The aim is to have one number that WE can 'dial' in, and outside, their country, regardless of what level they are using it for. It's either a telephone number or broadcast station ID depending on your perspective. This tool is fairly mature now. In NZ (wayne) for example, you can find the research here. http://www.bestgrid.org/index.php/EVO_in_NZ I'm sure it would be similar in most other countries. The problem is for all of us is that these kinds of tools are just sitting there waiting to be discovered, if only our institutional engineers (and librarians) understood what global communities like WE want, and how we intend to us them, so they can be systemized. Is that OK? simon On Jun 22, 8:38 pm, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: How is it different from the functionality Skype provides? Cheers, MariaD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to wikieducator-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
