Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

[Pierre-Selim]

How open minded ...

That said can people participating to this thread respect the soft limit of
this mailing list, i.e. this is not a chat, and I'm pretty sure your
answers can wait 24 hours.

Thank you.

Le ven. 5 juil. 2019 à 12:16, Todd Allen  a écrit :

> Well, inclusionism generally is toxic. It lets a huge volume of garbage
> pile up. Deletionism just takes out the trash. We did it with damn Pokemon,
> and we'll eventually do it with junk football "biographies", with
> "football" in the sense of American and otherwise. We'll sooner or later
> get it done with "populated places" and the like too.
>
> NN athletes and populated places belong on a list, not as a permastub
> "article".
>
> As for A7, it applies only to mainspace. It is the responsibility of any
> editor creating an article directly in mainspace to cite appropriate
> sources and demonstrate notability on the first edit. If one is not yet
> ready to do that, write a draft. A7 does not apply to drafts. But for an
> article in the main encyclopedia, the expectation should absolutely be to
> show sourcing immediately.
>
> Todd
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 7:39 AM WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Agreeing/asserting that the English Language Wikipedia has a toxic
> editing
> > environment is easy. Defining the problem and suggesting solutions has
> > historically been rather more difficult. Just watch the latest threads at
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Civility for examples.
> >
> > On the English Wikipedia this is clearer than on some projects because we
> > have annual Arbcom elections, and a candidate can always criticise the
> > sitting arbs by saying "of the cases accepted and rejected over the last
> > year or two, ignoring those where we know there was private information,
> > these are the cases where I would have differed from the existing arbs. I
> > would have voted to accept cases , and  and
> > these are the ones where i would have supported a stricter sanction ,
> > z"
> >
> > Alternatively you can make suggestions as to how you would change the
> > community to make it a less toxic environment, in the past I have argued
> > for, among other things:
> >
> >
> >1. A different way of handling edit warring that doesn't go so quickly
> >to blocks.
> >2. A pause in the speedy deletion process for goodfaith article
> >creations so G3 and G10 would still be deleted as quickly as admins
> find
> >them but A7s could stick around for at least 24 hours
> >3. Software changes to resolve more edit conflicts without losing
> edits.
> >
> >
> > None of these have been rejected because people actually want a toxic
> > environment. But people have different definitions of toxicity, for
> example
> > some people think that everyone who loses an edit due to an edit conflict
> > understands that this is an IT problem, and are unaware of incidents
> where
> > people have assumed that this is conflict with the person whose edit one
> > the conflict. Others just don't see deletionism as toxic, some
> deletionists
> > even consider inclusionism toxic and get upset at editors who decline
> > deletion tags that are almost but not quite correct.
> >
> > My suspicion is that the intersection of "everything you submit may be
> > ruthlessly edited" a large community where you frequently encounter
> people
> > you haven't dealt with before, cultural nuances between different
> versions
> > of English and a large proportion of people who are not editing in their
> > native language makes the English Wikipedia less congenial than some
> other
> > Wikis. For example, someone who comes from a straight talking culture
> might
> > think me as euphemistic and possibly sarcastic, even when I think I'm
> being
> > nuanced and diplomatic.
> >
> > Specifically in the case of the Fram ban, the WMF should have
> communicated
> > before their first 12 month block the specific behaviours that the WMF
> > would no longer tolerate on EN Wikipedia. At least part of their problem
> > was that their first 12 month ban was for undisclosed reasons. Some
> > Wikipedians didn't want the WMF setting new behavioural rules on
> Wikipedia.
> > But other Wikipedians might have agreed with  the WMF if only we knew
> what
> > the new rules were. It is a bit like enforcing speed limits, I might
> > support lowering the speed limits where I live, but I wouldn't support
> > empowering a traffic cop to issue traffic fines for an undisclosed reason
> > where I and other motorists were having to speculate whether there was
> now
> > an invisible but enforced stop sign at junction x, or an invisible but
> > enforced parking restriction on street y. It is deeply ironic that in
> > trying to combat toxic behaviour the WMF itself behaved in a  toxic way.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > I am astounded that you write as if the WMF is at fault in this.
> What I
> > > > find is that 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

[Pierre-Selim]

Her POV ?

Well I can confirm what Caroline said.

What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ?

It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to
wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents reported.
Things that should have stayed private were told on this mailing list by
Romaine... well when do we stop this ?

Please keep in mind when you cast your support here that people who have
reported Romaine might be reading this.

Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 23:12, Gerard Meijssen  a
écrit :

> Caroline,
> For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has quite
> the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for us all
> he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I do not
> know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by many. It may
> help you when you grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the
> feelings of others. Maybe it is too difficult for you, I do not know as I
> do not know you at all.
>
> What I wonder is to what extend do you know Romaine, to what extend are you
> stuck in your pov.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 19:00, Caroline Becker 
> wrote:
>
> > This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to learn and
> > grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing no
> > willingness to grow and learn.
> >
> > But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming your
> right
> > to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to you and none to the people
> you
> > hurt), you're rewarding with public support ?
> >
> > Caroline
> >
> >
> > Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 18:55, Dennis During  a
> écrit :
> >
> > > I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this
> unfortunate
> > > outcome
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >  Dear community,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no longer
> > > attend
> > > > any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to silence me,
> > > > intimidation and treats against me. This has resulted in that I feel
> > > > extremely unsafe as the result of the behaviour of only a few
> > > individuals.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of the Affiliate Selected Board Seats voting

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re issued in those cases. This choice was done
> > >> because of the specific situation of this election, since the process
> > was
> > >> complex for new affiliates and participation, diversity and inclusion
> > were
> > >> a clear goal.[2] We have published on meta information about who got a
> > new
> > >> ballot within the voting deadline.[3] The Election Facilitators have
> > been
> > >> available nearly 24 hours a day monitoring the various communication
> > >> channels to answer any questions affiliates might have. We did our
> best
> > at
> > >> answering all of them. After our own scrutiny of the data, and based
> on
> > our
> > >> experience in community processes, we strongly advise the community to
> > >> respect the integrity of the process, and advise against allowing any
> > >> modifications of votes at this point. If the votes had been reopened
> for
> > >> modification with or without publishing vote results, that would have
> > >> caused significant confusion and criticism that could have jeopardized
> > the
> > >> entire election.  We will publish a debrief with recommendations for a
> > next
> > >> ASBS process on meta.[4] We invite all representatives of affiliates
> to
> > a
> > >> feedback session at Wikimania.[5] We would like to congratulate
> Nataliia
> > >> Tymkiv and Shani Evenstein Sigalov and thank everyone who stood.
> > Regards,
> > >> Ad Huikeshoven, Lane Rasberry, Jeffrey Keefer, Neal McBurnett, Abhinav
> > >> Srivastava, Alessandor MarchettiElection Facilitators [1]
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Results
> > >> <
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Results
> > >>>
> > >> [2]
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/Resolution_2019
> > >> <
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/Resolution_2019
> > >>>
> > >> [3]
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/New_ballots
> > >> <
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/New_ballots
> > >>>
> > >> [4]
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Debrief
> > >> <
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats/2019/Debrief
> > >>>
> > >> [5]
> > >> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/ASBS_Feedback
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

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n
> > > > > place.
> > > > > > This marks a new moment in the history of our Wikimedia movement
> > > > > > affiliates. The Board appreciates the amazing work coming from
> > these
> > > > user
> > > > > > groups around the world, and is inspired to see how far some of
> > these
> > > > > > groups have come in terms of their impact both on our movement
> and
> > > > their
> > > > > > local communities. Indeed, we should all be proud of the impact
> our
> > > > > > affiliates continue to have on our projects, our vision, and the
> > > world
> > > > > > around us.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any affiliate interested in becoming a chapter or thematic
> > > organization
> > > > > > must have at least two years of activities and experience as a
> user
> > > > group
> > > > > > before applying. Please check out the user group creation guide
> to
> > > get
> > > > a
> > > > > > user group started - it is meant to be very easy:
> > > > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups/Creation_guide
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can find a lot more information about our movement affiliates
> > > model
> > > > > on
> > > > > > Meta:
> > > > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Models
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You may also reach out to the Affiliations Committee with
> questions
> > > or
> > > > to
> > > > > > begin the approval process for your group:
> > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee
> > > > > > Please join me in congratulating Wikimedia Korea for this
> important
> > > > > > achievement and thanking the members of the Affiliations
> Committee
> > > and
> > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation staff who supported and worked with them
> > during
> > > > this
> > > > > > long process.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > María
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > María Sefidari Huici
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chair of the Board
> > > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

[Pierre-Selim]

Well I guess it's great to see the popularity of Wikidata. That said
comparing edit counts has never been really meaningful and we all know it.

So great milestone, does it mean anything more than there is a lot of work
going on, I don't know.

That said Kudos to all people involved in Wikidata.

Le mer. 20 mars 2019 à 10:51, Caroline Becker  a
écrit :

> But... bots are operated, written, and reviewed by real humans ? Like if I
> spend 2 hours adding "painting by Vincent van Gogh" manually on every
> relevant item by hand, how is that more valuable than spending 20 minutes
> to write a bot that does that for me (and can be used for similar tasks) ?
>
> Caroline
>
>
> Le mer. 20 mars 2019 à 10:45, Gabriel Thullen  a
> écrit :
>
> > Sorry about this mail, I hate to rain on somebody's parade but:
> > Ever since Wikidata was set up, there have been more edit made by bots
> than
> > by humans (registered contributor + anonymous contributor), except for a
> > few periods in 2017 and 2018. On the other hand, the activity of the bots
> > on the English Wikipedia has almost always been lower than the activity
> of
> > anonymous contributors, and that activity has always been well below that
> > of registered contributors. There was one exception, in 2013 where there
> > was a spike of bot activity.
> > We could also talk about the average number of edits per contributor
> which
> > appears to be around 100 on the English Wikipedia and 1,200 on Wikidata
> > (these numbers are after removing the estimated edits done by bots).
> Quite
> > a difference.
> > The different Wikimedia projects rely on the community to police and
> curate
> > the content of these encyclopedias and data collections. I am therefore a
> > bit wary of what is happening with Wikidata where more edits are still
> > being done by bots than by real humans (by "real" I mean "real" not like
> > "real" as in the TV series "real humans")
> >
> > Best regards
> > Gabe
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 9:25 AM Olushola Olaniyan <
> > olaniyanshol...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This is a good news.
> > >
> > > Cheers!!!
> > >
> > > Olaniyan Olushola
> > > CEO DataAccess Systems Ltd
> > > President, Wikimedia Nigeria
> > > Member, Affcom ( Wikimedia Foundation)
> > > Co-director Wiki Women Radio
> > > www.wikimedia.org.ng
> > > sh...@wikimedia.org.ng
> > > olaniyanshol...@gmail.com
> > > +2348167352512
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019, 08:52 Ziko van Dijk  > >
> > > > Hello Ariel Glenn,
> > > > Thanks for the notification, very interesting. Well, we all know that
> > > > making a lot of edits on Wikidata is "easier" or happens quicker than
> > on
> > > > Wikipedia, for various reasons. But still it is a nice milestone to
> > > > congratulate to Wikidata. Hereby. :-)
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > Ziko
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am Mi., 20. März 2019 um 07:58 Uhr schrieb Gerard Meijssen <
> > > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hoi,
> > > > > So in stead of calling us all Wikipedia, let us be known as
> > Wikidata...
> > > > > HU
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >   GerardM
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 07:48, Ariel Glenn WMF  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wikidata surpassed the English language Wikipedia in the number
> of
> > > > > > revisions in the database, about 45 minutes ago today.I was
> tipped
> > > off
> > > > > by a
> > > > > > tweet [1] a few day ago and have been watching via a script that
> > > > displays
> > > > > > the largest revision id and its timestamp. Here's the point where
> > > > > Wikidata
> > > > > > overtakes English Wikipedia (times in UTC):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [ariel@bigtrouble wikidata-huge]$ python3 ./get_revid_info.py -d
> > > > > > www.wikidata.org -r 888603998,888603999,888604000
> > > > > > revid 888603998 at 2019-03-20T06:00:59Z
> > > > > > revid 888603999 at 2019-03-20T06:00:59Z
> > > > > > revid 888604000 at 2019-03-20T06:00:59Z
> > > > > > [ariel@bigtrouble wikidata-huge]$ python3 ./get_revid_info.py -d
> > > > > > en.wikipedia.org -r 888603998,888603999,888604000
> > > > > > revid 888603998 at 2019-03-20T06:00:59Z
> > > > > > revid 888603999 at 2019-03-20T06:00:59Z
> > > > > > revid 888604000 at 2019-03-20T06:01:00Z
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only 45 minutes later, the gap is already over 2000 revsions:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [ariel@bigtrouble wikidata-huge]$ python3 ./compare_sizes.py
> > > > > > Last enwiki revid is 888606979 and last wikidata revid is
> 888629401
> > > > > > 2019-03-20 06:46:03: diff is 22422
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have a nice day!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ariel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://twitter.com/MonsieurAZ/status/1106565116508729345
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of Wikimedia projects for anti-LGBT+ "humour"

[Pierre-Selim]

ew process or policies for the Signpost.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for those sending private messages of encouragement, support
> > >> and information. Should anything similar happen on Wikipedia in the
> > >> future, this experience has taught me to run as fast as possible in
> > >> the opposite direction, rather than putting my head above the parapet.
> > >> Becoming a figure of hatred is not worth the stress, or having to read
> > >> targeted mockery wrapped as "jokes", published on the project you love
> > >> and support. Throughout our Wikimedia projects, there remains huge
> > >> room for improvement in how best to ensure correct, friendly and
> > >> respectful treatment of minorities, especially us queers.
> > >>
> > >> Links
> > >> 0.
> > >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-02-28/Humour
> > >> 1.
> > >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents=revision=885937612=885936723
> > >> 2. https://enThanks,.
> > >> wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-02-28
> > >> 3.
> > >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents=revision=885954601=885953822
> > >> 4.
> > >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-02-28/Humour=60098422=885957940=885957573
> > >> 5.
> > >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2019-02-28
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Fae
> > >> --
> > >> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> > >> Wikimedia LGBT+ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT+
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

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Welcome Esra'a !

Le 1 déc. 2017 23:23, "Michael Peel"  a écrit :

> Thank you, Esra’a, for volunteering!
>
> However, I’m very concerned by this:
>
> "P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of
> Esra’a may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the
> privacy and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any
> photographs or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in
> supporting this important safety consideration.”
>
> This is security by obscurity (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q133735) -
> which is at best a temporary measure that won’t last, particularly in a
> high-profile position like this. Aside from the potential media coverage,
> Wikimedia events are very well photographed by Wikimedians who want to
> illustrate a rather well-read encyclopaedia… This leads to an awkward
> situation where someone’s safety and Wikimedia’s openness are conflicting,
> which is not OK.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> > On 1 Dec 2017, at 19:59, Katherine Maher  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you, Christophe, for sharing this excellent news.
> >
> > Those of you who were at Wikimania or watching on the livestream had the
> > chance to get acquainted with Esra'a through her keynote. I'm certain
> that,
> > if you were part of that audience, you'll join me in agreeing that she is
> > an exceptional and accomplished individual who brings a whole host of
> > talents to our movement. I'm personally delighted that she will be
> lending
> > her perspective and wisdom to our movement and to the governance of the
> > Wikimedia Foundation. There is so much we can learn from her, and I hope
> > she finds her tenure on the Board to be rewarding.
> >
> > Esra'a, thank you so very much for joining our Board and engaging even
> more
> > with our movement! It is an honor to have this opportunity to work with
> you.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Katherine
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Liam Wyatt  wrote:
> >
> >> Fantastic Wikimania keynote, fascinating addition to the board, fabulous
> >> addition to our community.
> >>
> >> Welcome.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 at 22:28, Anna Stillwell 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Welcome, Esra'a. Thank you for taking the time to serve. I look forward
> >> to
> >>> your contribution.
> >>> /a
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Christophe Henner <
> >> chen...@wikimedia.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi everyone,
> 
>  With the appointment of Raju to the Board of Trustees a couple of
> >> months
>  ago, we were left with a remaining open vacancy to fill. I am thrilled
> >> to
>  share that after several months of searching and discussions, we have
> >>> made
>  another important appointment. At our November Board Retreat, the
> Board
>  appointed and welcomed Esra’a Al Shafei to fill our vacant expert
> seat.
> 
>  Esra'a is a prominent international human rights activist and social
>  entrepreneur. She founded and directs Majal, a nonprofit which
> utilizes
>  digital media to amplify under-reported and marginalized voices
> >>> throughout
>  the Middle East and North Africa. For those of you that heard her
> >> keynote
>  presentation at this year's Wikimania, I think you will agree she will
> >>> make
>  a very valuable addition to the Board and brings an important
> >> perspective
>  and skillset to the Board's efforts.
> 
>  Below (and on the Wikimedia Blog) you will find the official
> >> announcement
>  about Esra’a Al Shafei. Please join me in warmly welcoming her to the
>  Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees and to the Wikimedia movement!
> 
>  Christophe
>  Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> 
>  P.S. Due to the nature of Esra’a’s work, sharing photos or videos of
> >>> Esra’a
>  may endanger her safety or the safety of others. To help ensure the
> >>> privacy
>  and safety of Esra’a and her colleagues, we are not sharing any
> >>> photographs
>  or videos of Esra'a. We ask that you please join us in supporting this
>  important safety consideration.
> 
> 
>  Press release
> 
>  Header: Esra'a Al Shafei joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> 
>  Subheader: Bahraini human rights activist and social entrepreneur
> >> brings
> >>> to
>  the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees more than a decade of
> >>> experience
>  in applying creative solutions to challenges faced by underserved and
>  underrepresented communities.
> 
>  Image: https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Esraa.png[a]
>    LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt1>
>  [b]
>    LuEi5a9gJDpB7HWEft4/mobilebasic#cmnt2>
>  [c]
>  

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

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hannel to use this way. I appreciate that a
> governance based response to allegations against a named trustee, will
> not be the same as judging a harassment case that should happen
> elsewhere.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Diversity Award for the mentoring program of the 2017 Wikimedia Hackathon in Vienna

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Kudos to the whole hackathon team!

Le 28 sept. 2017 15:39, "Claudia Garád"  a
écrit :

Hello everyone!

We wanted to share some good news with you: Our international team around
the Wikimedia Hackathon mentoring program won the first Austrian Open
Source Award in the category "Diversity" [1].

The Austrian Open Source Award was established this year in order to raise
awareness and visibility for our local Open Source Communities and their
projects. The jury consisted of representatives from across the various
Open Communities in Austria (Open Knowledge, Linux, and Drupal among
others) and honoured outstanding projects in the categories Open Data, Open
Software, Open Hardware, and Diversity.

The Jury particularly mentioned our comprehensive documentation under a
free license which enables other event organizers to apply our ideas and
concepts and to build on them [2] [3].
We are very happy about this positive signal for inclusive events, which
make it easier for all newcomers to join our great communities and we hope
it encourages even more people to also make our other Wikimedia events more
and more newcomer friendly. A special thanks goes to our awesome mentors
who were the heart and soul of the mentoring program and the Hackathon!

For more information about what we learned around the mentoring program you
can also check out our post from the Wikimedia Blog [4].

[1]: https://www.openminds.at/
[2]:https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons/Handbook
[3]:https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Hackathon_2017/
Mentoring_Program
[4]: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/31/vienna-hackathon-learnings/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Presentation of Wikimédia France new Board members

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Thank you Nadine for the update,

Kudos to all the newly elected board and lots of courage for the months to
come.
It won't be easy, but it will be interesting.

2017-09-25 6:49 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com>:

> Dear Nadine,
>
> As a member of Wikimedia France and a Wikimedian, I want to thank you for
> your two last mails on behalf of the WMFR board. While reading you, I feel
> confident that we have wonderful people to overcome past turmoil, and I
> also feel very grateful that you wrote back to the chapters offering
> support.
>
> We are a global movement, and knowledge is not something that remains
> stuck at the boarders, fortunately!
>
> Good luck to all board members, past and new.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Natacha / Nattes à chat
>
> > Le 24 sept. 2017 à 17:59, Nadine Le Lirzin <nlelir...@wikimedia.fr> a
> écrit :
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here is a brief presentation of the six new Board members elected on
> > September 9, plus one appointment decided by the previous Board and
> > ratified during this same Exceptional General Assembly called on
> > request of Wikimédia
> > France members.
> >
> >
> > — Pierre-Yves Beaudouin (Pyb), 37, is a communication consultant,
> > WikiCheese evangelist, taphophile and member of the Association for 10
> > years. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> >
> > — Kropotkine_113 is 40 years old and is a teacher. Wikimedian for more
> than
> > 10 years, he has already been a Board member of Wikimedia France in
> > 2011-2012, during the first phase of professionalization of the
> > association. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> >
> > — Charlotte Matoussowsky, 26, is a translator and a lecturer. She joined
> > WMFr in 2011 and mostly edits Wikipedia. Her appointment runs until
> October
> > 2018.
> >
> > — Nadine Le Lirzin lives in Paris and translates works of philology and
> > literary criticism, as well as political, ethical and moral philosophy.
> She
> > has been a Wikipedian for almost ten years and joined the Association in
> > 2009. Her appointment runs until October 2018.
> >
> > — Kvardek du, 22, has been contributing to Wikimedia projects for 7 years
> > and organizes events like Art+Feminism editathons in Paris. Their PhD
> > research focuses on operational management in transportation. Their
> > appointment runs until October 2017.
> >
> > — Lucas Lévêque, 29, a librarian and a passionate wiktionarist, arrived
> in
> > the association in 2014. He co-founded Lingua Libre and he registers
> > regional languages for the Wiktionary. His appointment runs until October
> > 2017.
> >
> > — Florence Raymond, 37, is an assistant curator, at the initiative of
> > Wikimuseum Project since 2016. She works for a better place of common
> goods
> > (photos and contents) in cultural structures. Her ratified appointement
> > runs until October 2017.
> >
> >
> > The remaining members of the previous Board announced their intention to
> > accompany the transition before leaving.
> >
> >
> > The first Board meeting took place this week-end, September 23-24, the
> new
> > executive bureau is composed of:
> >
> > President: Pierre-Yves Beaudouin (Pyb)
> > Vice-President: Charlotte Matoussowsky
> > Treasurer: Kvardec du
> > Secretary: Nadine Le Lirzin
> >
> >
> >
> > Nadine Le Lirzin
> >
> > *Board member*
> > *Wikimédia France*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia content for in-flight entertainment?

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Certification process for the hardware of kiwix might be a tremendous pain
in the ass.

And second point the airline will need a business case to cary more weight
(count about 3.5% of the weight as extra fuel burn per hour).

That said I'd love to use Wikipedia on an IFE.

Le 31 juil. 2017 00:02, "Daniel Mietchen" 
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> Hi,
>
> during long flights, I have often been wondering why there is no
> Wikimedia option in in-flight entertainment systems. As I am normally
> offline during flights and I normally don't think about in-flight
> stuff while on the ground, I never actually asked around, so after a
> long flight yesterday, here we go:
> Do any of you know of attempts to explore the option(s) to get
> Wikimedia content onto in-flight entertainment and similar systems?
>
> Many of them already have educational content, but I am not aware of
> anything openly licensed amidst those offerings. Have any of the Kiwix
> team looked into this?
>
> Also, many airlines/ ships/ trains and others offer WiFi for a fee -
> has the Wikipedia Zero team ever looked into engaging with such
> "providers"?
>
> Thanks and cheers,
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

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naît plus la direction de l’association comme
> >> légitime pour encadrer son travail. Il a d’ailleurs manifesté à
> >> Cyrille devant témoins sa volonté d’agir de la même manière à
> >> l’avenir.
> >>
> >> Enfin, nous précisons qu’une « clause de conscience » ne peut être
> >> invoquée dans ce cadre car elle n’est définie que pour la profession
> >> de journaliste, or, il n’a pas été recruté pour effectuer des missions
> >> de journalisme pour l’association.
> >>
> >> Dans ces conditions, il n’est pas possible de le maintenir dans
> >> l’équipe salariée.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Toutefois, si Jules estime n’avoir commis aucune faute et être victime
> >> d’une injustice, il lui est possible de plaider sa cause devant le
> >> tribunal compétent et de demander sa réintégration.
> >>
> >> En aucun cas cette décision ne peut être prise par l’opinion publique
> >> ou sur les réseaux sociaux. Nous tenons également à rappeler que même
> >> après licenciement, Jules est tenu à un devoir de loyauté envers son
> >> employeur, et l’association en tant qu’employeur est également tenue à
> >> ce devoir de loyauté envers Jules.
> >>
> >> 3. Soutien des actions bénévoles
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nous réaffirmons ici qu’il n’est pas obligatoire d’être membre pour
> >> être soutenu par l’association sur les projets Wikimedia. Le
> >> questionnaire adressé à l’ensemble des membres a d’ailleurs fait
> >> ressortir une grande satisfaction à l’égard des actions menées.
> >>
> >> Cependant, si des actions ont été entravées ou non soutenues par
> >> l’association, nous aimerions le savoir. À notre connaissance il n’y
> >> en a pas, en dehors d’une seule demande refusée : celle de consacrer
> >> du temps salarié à chercher une salle extérieure aux locaux et à la
> >> financer, afin qu’Harmonia Amanda ne soit pas contrainte de croiser
> >> certains acteurs de l’association en animant ses ateliers Wikidata.
> >>
> >> Ce coût supplémentaire sans fondement justifié et cette tentative de
> >> discrimination ne peuvent être cautionnés par l’association.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Par ailleurs, le mouvement permet de s’organiser librement et c’est
> >> une très bonne chose. Nous n’avons d’ailleurs aucunement entravé la
> >> volonté du groupe lyonnais de prendre son indépendance vis-à-vis de
> >> l’association.
> >>
> >> 4. Notre position par rapport à la fondation
> >>
> >> Contentieux avec Christophe Henner
> >>
> >> Pour le CA et la direction, des motivations, autres que les arguments
> >> avancés, expliquent la baisse de la dotation du FDC cette année. En
> >> effet, nous estimons que la raison principale en est les agissements
> >> de Christophe Henner, ancien président de WMFr et actuel président de
> >> la fondation, envers notre chapitre, ses membres, et ses salariés.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nous avons d’abord, dès 2016, tenté de le raisonner, en vain.
> >>
> >> Nous avons ensuite été contraints de signaler à la fondation des
> >> agissements graves de Christophe Henner à l’encontre de Nathalie
> >> Martin quand il était président de Wikimédia France et donc
> >> l’employeur de Nathalie, puis lorsqu’il est devenu président de la
> >> fondation.
> >>
> >> Un premier mail à ce sujet avait été envoyé par Émeric (président du
> >> CA à l’époque) à Christophe et Katherine Maher (directrice exécutive
> >> de la fondation), le 07/03, pour lui demander des explications sur ses
> >> agissements.
> >>
> >> Christophe, le 10/03, nous avait renvoyé une réponse laconique, sans
> >> éléments sur le fond. Nous avons relancé Christophe et Katherine le
> >> 19/03. Ce nouveau courrier est resté sans réponse.
> >>
> >> Émeric a signalé ces mêmes problèmes à Nataliia et Stephen (du
> >> Governance Committee de la fondation) le 12/05, sans réponse de leur
> >> part non plus.
> >>
> >> Un recours auprès du Board sur la recommandation du FDC est déposé le
> >> 07/06. La réponse du Board a été négative le 28/06 : celle-ci n’a pas
> >> répondu aux points et problèmes soulevés. Enfin, une plainte auprès de
> >> l’Ombudsperson (médiateur) concernant le processus FDC a été envoyée
> >> le 06/06. Celui-ci a posé des questions le 19/06 auxquelles nous avons
> >> répondu le 24/06, sans autres sui

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Results of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

[Pierre-Selim]

Congratulations Maria, James and Dariusz.

Le 21 mai 2017 09:31, "Steinsplitter Wiki"  a
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> Congrats.
>
>
> 
> Von: WikimediaAnnounce-l 
> im Auftrag von matanya moses 
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Mai 2017 02:32
> An: wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org
> Betreff: [Wikimedia Announcements] Results of the 2017 Wikimedia
> Foundation Board of Trustees election
>
> Greetings,
>
> The certified results of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> election are now available on Meta-Wiki: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2017/Results
>
> Congratulations to María Sefidari (User:Raystorm), Dariusz Jemielniak
> (User:pundit), and James Heilman (User:Doc James) for receiving the most
> community support. Subject to a standard background check, they will be
> appointed by the Board at their August meeting at Wikimania.
>
> These results have been certified by the elections committee, the
> Wikimedia Foundation staff advisors to the committee, and the Board of
> Trustees.
>
> There were 5,581 votes cast, with 5,120 of those being valid. The 461-vote
> difference comes from recast ballots, where eligible voters recast ballots
> to change their votes, and struck votes, of which there were 34. (Some of
> the recast votes were also struck.)
>
> Additional information is available on the Wikimedia Blog:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/05/20/board-of-trustees-elections-2017/
>
> More statistics on the elections and a post-mortem from the committee will
> be published in the coming days. In the meantime, we would appreciate your
> input—what went well for you in this election?  What could we do better
> next time?  These reports are crucial to helping future elections be even
> more successful, and we hope that you will offer your feedback and ideas:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_
> elections/2017/Post_mortem
>
> The committee would like to thank everyone that participated in this
> year’s election for helping make it, again, one of the most diverse and
> representative in the movement’s history.
>
> Sincerely,
> – Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL General Assembly meeting and Board elections 2017

[Pierre-Selim]

Congrats Itzik, Deror, Ido, Hana and Dana.

2017-05-10 8:28 GMT+02:00 NC Hasive <n...@nhasive.com>:

> Congratulations to the new board.
>
> -Hasive
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>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>
> wrote:
>
> > Congrats! You clearly do something right :)
> >
> > On May 9, 2017 11:02 AM, "Itzik - Wikimedia Israel" <
> > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Yesterday (8.5.17) Wikimedia Israel (WMIL) held a general assembly
> meeting,
> > during which the members held the elections for members of the Board of
> > WMIL.
> >
> > The results of the elections are as follows:
> >
> > Itzik Edri,(reelected)
> > Deror Lin, (reelected)
> > Ido Ivri, (reelected)
> > Hana Yariv (reelected)
> > Dana Dekel (reelected)
> >
> > Audit committee: Oved Cohen (reelected).
> >
> > The new Board then proceeded to reelect Itzik Edri as the chairperson,
> and
> > to elect Ido Ivri as the Board Secretary
> >
> >
> > Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of new Affiliations Committee advisors

[Pierre-Selim]

\o/ quite happy to see people with such experience joining the affcom as
advisors.

2017-04-03 22:56 GMT+02:00 Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com>:

> Welcome, Anasuya di, Patricio, and Ting and all the best. :)
>
> On 4 April 2017 at 01:57, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.loks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm very pleased to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> appointed
> > three new advisors for the coming year: Anasuya Sengupta, Patricio
> Lorente,
> > and Ting Chen.  As non-voting advisors, Anasuya, Patricio, and Ting will
> > lend their unique experience and insight to the committee as we support
> the
> > ongoing movement strategy process and the continuing evolution of the
> > Wikimedia affiliate ecosystem.
> >
> > Please join me in welcoming Anasuya, Patricio, and Ting to their new
> roles!
> >
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 March 2017)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Occupation of Women on WikiData

[Pierre-Selim]

This is really interesting!

Thanks Florence for sharing!

2017-03-08 14:04 GMT+01:00 Sydney Poore <sydney.po...@gmail.com>:

> Fascinating.  Thanks for sharing.
>
> Sydney
>
> On Mar 8, 2017 8:01 AM, "Florence Devouard" <fdevou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a tool done by Envel Le Hir using WikiData and published today.
> >
> > I actually inspired him the idea during a conference, when talking of my
> > desire to get generic data about women professionnal occupation. My main
> > argument is that I felt many of the added biographies about women were
> > about actors, singers, or football players. Much less about politicians
> and
> > business. But it was a "guess" and I wanted more hard data.
> >
> > And apparently... he got busy
> >
> > http://tools.dicare.org/gaps/gender.php
> >
> > Ok.
> > Hard data (1950-2005 birth dates):
> > * 80% of the biographies of porn actors are about women.
> > * 98.3% of beauty pageant contestants are about women.
> > * 24% of politicians are about women
> > * 8.4% of computer scientists are about women.
> >
> > Or ... In Algeria... the more popular occupation of women by far is...
> > Volley Ball !
> > In France... actors.
> > And in Guinea... well... hard to say... only 17 biographies about Guinean
> > women anyway.
> >
> > Florence
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

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> that
> > action on that front must be taken. I would expect such an issue to be
> > discussed independently of the personal political wishes of those
> arguing.
> > If decisions are made on the basis that the only relevant issue is
> whether
> > any action would further Wikimedia's goals, I would trust that such
> > decisions were sufficiently reasonable.
> >
> > However, if that is not the basis used, and some in the community and WMF
> > are willing to have their own independent individual values and goals
> > override those of the movement, to harm Wikimedia goals to support their
> > own political goals... I would find it very difficult to support such a
> > decision. I don't mean to speak too harshly, but the united goals and
> > vision of the movement are the _only_ thing that holds this diverse
> > community together, the only means by which Wikimedia exists, and if
> > outside aims can take priority, we would likely find that many would not
> > appreciate some using Wikimedia as yet another bullet in someone's
> arsenal
> > to be sacrificed in a political crusade, to say the least.
> >
> > "Wikipedia is something special. It is like a library or a public park.
> It
> > is like a temple for the mind. It is a place we can all go to think, to
> > learn, to share our knowledge with others."
> >
> > Please let us keep it that way.
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/Foundation_Policy_
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: Abraham Taherivand appointed permanent Executive Director

[Pierre-Selim]

Congratulation Abraham!

2017-01-30 16:57 GMT+01:00 Tim Moritz Hector <tim-moritz.hec...@wikimedia.de
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> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> It is our great pleasure to announce that during last weekend’s Board
> retreat, we voted to appoint Abraham Taherivand as Executive Director of
> Wikimedia Deutschland with immediate effect.
>
> Abraham has joined Wikimedia Deutschland in 2012, has been the director of
> our Software Development department, and interim ED in the past two months.
> In all his roles he has shown vast experience and qualifications as well as
> the much needed, deep commitment for Free Knowledge. We are convinced that
> Abraham is the right person at the right time for Wikimedia Deutschland and
> have great confidence that the management of the office is in good hands
> with him. Abraham will continue to lead the Software Development department
> on an interim basis until we have been able to fill this position with a
> new permanent director.
>
> Together with Abraham, WMDE staff, our members and communities as well as
> other interested parties, the board will analyse and – where applicable –
> revise the composition of leadership and decision making structures at WMDE
> in 2017. Kurt Jansson, Sebastian Moleski and myself will be steering this
> process and are available for your questions and feedback via email (
> praesid...@wikimedia.de).
>
> We wish Abraham the very best in this role, and the Board looks forward to
> continuing to work with him. Please join us in congratulating Abraham!
>
> For the Supervisory Board
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] New members of the Affiliations Committee

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Kudos to the new comers and a warm thank you to outgoing members.

Le 16 janv. 2017 12:22, "Bobby Shabangu"  a écrit :

> Congratulations guys.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Tanvir Rahman 
> wrote:
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> > Congratulations to two new members and Kirill for getting reelected.
> >
> > Many thanks to the outgoing members for their invaluable services.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMDE-update: Christian Rickerts might become Undersecretary of State

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This is a great opportunity.

Congrats!

Le 5 déc. 2016 13:13, "Michael Maggs"  a écrit :

> What excellent news! Many congratulations to Christian.
>
> Michael
> Chair, WMUK
>
> >>> Dear Wikimedians,
> >>>
> >>> On Saturday, the Green Party has resolved the coalition agreement for
> the
> >>> future Berlin government and nominated their future government
> officials.
> >>> The
> >>> new designated Minister of economics, Ramona Pop, asked Christian to
> >> become
> >>> her Undersecretary of State for the new Berlin ministry of economy,
> >> energy
> >>> and enterprises. Now things are going to happen quite quickly: The
> future
> >>> senate is scheduled to be constituted on December 8th. Right after
> that,
> >>> Christian would take on the new responsibility.
> >>>
> >>> The Supervisory Board of Wikimedia Deutschland and Christian agree that
> >>> this is a great opportunity that he should accept. I also see this as a
> >>> huge compliment to our work at Wikimedia Deutschland.
> >>>
> >>> We are aware that this opportunity brings a lot of change for our
> >>> organisation for the near future as well. Christian and I are currently
> >>> working on the next steps together with our staff and community. We
> will
> >>> provide you with regular updates regarding the transition process.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you very much and kind regards
> >>>
> >>> Tim Moritz Hector
> >>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia France AGM 2016: new board

[Pierre-Selim Huard]

Dear movement fellows,

Wikimedia France held its Annual General Meeting on October 29th, 2016.
During this AGM, we elected 6 board members, of which 3 are new (and shiny).

Sébastien Beyou was not running for a new term and the board is grateful
for his service as deputy treasurer. Of course, he will remain an active
member of the chapter.

Marie-Alice Mathis, 31, is finishing a double PhD in neuroscience from the
Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam and Université Claude-Bernard in Lyon.
Leaving the hectic world of academic research, she now has a slightly less
hectic job in a hospital near Paris and is planning to become an EMT. She
brings her newly found free time and experience of the academic world to
the board of Wikimedia France in the hope of fostering contributions from
researchers, with a focus on Open Access and the defense of the Commons.

Caroline Becker, 29, is a software engineer living in Toulouse. Some of you
might know her through her involvement in the Project Grant Committee.
She's an active member of Wikimedia France since 2011, working with GLAM
partners, organizing conferences and workshops, and working on the quality
process. She's also a sysop on French Wikipedia and Commons, and writes
bots for Wikidata.

Manuel Fauveau, 64, is a French retired civil engineer. A Wikipedian since
2008, and a member of our chapter since fall 2013, he focuses on helping
newcomers discover the projects and start with the encyclopedia. On summer
2015, he joined (as secretary) the board of Vikidia, the non profit running
the Encyclopedia for kids 8-13. Aiming to go one step further with the
movement, he joins the board to help improving communication between all
the stakeholders.

The day after this AGM, the Board of trustees held its first meeting and
elected its officers.

Our board is now structured as follow:
* Émeric Vallespi, chair

* Samuel Le Goff, vice chair (reelected)

* Guillaume Goursat, treasurer

* Édouard Hue, secretary

* Caroline Becker, (elected)

* Jean-Frédéric Berthelot, (reelected)

* Manuel Fauveau. (elected)

* Pierre-Selim Huard, (reelected)

* Marie-Alice Mathis, (elected)

* Florian Pépellin

Please welcome our newcomers and join us in expressing your gratitude to
Sébastien our former board member!

Sincerely,

Pierre-Selim

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New Wikimedia DC Board Members

[Pierre-Selim]

Congrats Rosie and Kelly!

Sincerely,
Pierre-Selim

2016-10-31 19:08 GMT+01:00 Nabin Sapkota <nboycreationne...@gmail.com>:

> Congratulations to the new Board members!  Wish you all the best for the
> time ahead.
>
> Cheers,
> Nabin Sapkota
> Wikimedians of Nepal
>
> On Oct 31, 2016 11:35 PM, "Ivan Martínez" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations to the new Board members! This is a positive movement in
> > benefit of more women in directive positions in the Wikimedia movement.
> > Best,
> >
> > 2016-10-31 10:03 GMT-06:00 Katy Love <kl...@wikimedia.org>:
> >
> > > Congratulations, Kelly and Rosie, and to the Board of Wikimedia DC!
> Very
> > > cool. :)
> > >
> > > Katy
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Kirill Lokshin <
> > > kirill.loks...@wikimediadc.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I'm very pleased to announce that Kelly Doyle and Rosie
> > > > Stephenson-Goodknight have joined the Wikimedia DC Board of
> Directors.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure that most of you already know Kelly and Rosie; for anyone
> who
> > > > doesn't, Kelly currently serves as the Wikipedian in Residence for
> > Gender
> > > > Equity at West Virginia University Libraries, while Rosie is a
> > co-founder
> > > > of WikiProject Women in Red and the WikiWomen's User Group, among
> many
> > > > other projects.
> > > >
> > > > Please join me in congratulating them on their new roles!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Kirill
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC appointments

[Pierre-Selim]

I'm really happy to see this appointement process ending in a very good
selection \o/
And as a lot of people I'm happy to see quality people coming back \o/

2016-09-02 19:20 GMT+02:00 Sydney Poore <sydney.po...@gmail.com>:

> Congratulations, Garfield, Anne, Bishakha, and Candelaria.
>
> And a big thank you to  Dumisani, Matanya and Osmar for work that you
> did evaluating the grants proposals,  and also making the FDC be a
> well functioning committee.
> Warm regards,
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> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl>
> wrote:
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > We are pleased to inform you that the WMF Board of Trustees has come to a
> > decision about which four candidates to appoint to the FDC for the next 2
> > years. It wasn't easy, as the caliber of candidates[*] was extremely
> high,
> > and their range of skills and expertise extremely impressive.
> >
> > The resolution is now published in
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Funds_
> Dissemination_Committee_Membership_2016
> >
> > We have selected four appointees as follows:
> >
> > 1) Garfield Byrd (User:Gtbiv)
> > 2) Anne Clin (User:Risker)
> > 3) Bishakha Datta (User:Bishdatta)
> > 4) Candelaria Laspeñas (User:Cande_laspe)
> >
> > On behalf of the Board, we want to thank Dumisani, Matanya and Osmar for
> > their service to the FDC. We deeply appreciate the years they have served
> > the committee and all the work they have done during many rounds of FDC
> > recommendations. Their insights, perspectives and experiences have been
> > invaluable to the work of the committee, and have gone a long way in
> > shaping the development of the APG process into a successful and
> important
> > part of grant-making in the Wikimedia world.
> >
> > We hope they will continue to remain engaged in the movement in different
> > ways in the years ahead.
> >
> > We also want to thank all the candidates that participated in this round
> of
> > nominations, and encourage them to consider re-applying for the committee
> > next year, when new members will be elected to serve on the committee.
> >
> > Best,
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farsi Wikipedia

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This is the kind of news I like to read. Congratulations \o/

Le 27 juil. 2016 20:33, "Ziko van Dijk"  a écrit :

> Hello,
>
> Congratulations to the mile stone.
>
> I do allow myself to ask how the 500.000 have been achieved. When I
> click on Random Article, I get a certain percentage of articles of
> this kind:
>
> https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%B3%D9%88
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
> 2016-07-27 20:27 GMT+02:00 Ivan Martínez :
> > Congratulations!
> >
> > 2016-07-27 13:15 GMT-05:00 Kevin Payravi :
> >
> >> Awesome to hear, Mardentanha! Congratulations to you and the rest of the
> >> Farsi Wikipedia editors.
> >>
> >> Kevin Payravi
> >> W: www.kevinpayravi.com
> >> E: kevinpayr...@gmail.com
> >> P: (330) 554 - 3397
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Asaf Bartov 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Fantastic news!  Congratulations to all Farsi contributors! \o/
> >> >
> >> >A.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Mardetanha <
> mardetanha.w...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I would to let everyone know, after 13 years and millions of edits,
> >> > Finally
> >> > > Farsi Wikipedia has reached 500,000 article. This is a very historic
> >> > moment
> >> > > for all us in Farsi Wikipedia.
> >> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome Delphine Ménard as WMF's Annual Plan Grants Program Officer

[Pierre-Selim]

Bienvenue Delphine, I am looking forward to boire un verre pour fêter ça ;)
Le 21 juin 2016 11:56 AM, "Ting Chen"  a écrit :

Congratulations to both WMF and Delphine, this is a very good move.

Just curious: Will Delphine and family now be moving to SF or will you be
working from remote mostly?

Greetings

Ting



Am 06/21/2016 um 12:55 AM schrieb Katy Love:

> Hi Wikimedians,
>
> Today WMF's Community Resources team is joined by Delphine Ménard as our
> newly appointed Annual Plan Grants
>  (APG) Program Officer. In
> that
> role, Delphine will support both funding streams included in the Annual
> Plan Grants program, including Simple Annual Plan Grants and the Funds
> Dissemination Committee's
> 
> (FDC) full process APG, with her focus on the FDC.  We are excited to have
> her join our team.
>
> Some of you may know Delphine as [[user:notafish]]. She's a longtime
> Wikimedian who has played many roles in our movement. She was WMF's
> Chapter's Coordinator many years ago, then a member of the Board of
> Wikimedia Deutschland, and most recently, a member of the Funds
> Dissemination Committee herself. Her wide array of experiences and roles
> will serve her well as the new APG Program Officer.
>
> In the weeks ahead, Delphine will be reaching out to the FDC-funded
> organizations and will also be leading the Board's recruitment to fill four
> open seats on the FDC. I know she is looking forward to working with all of
> you. :)
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

[Pierre-Selim]

Seriously ?

If the board decide to keep the CEO/ED, the board cannot go and undermine
the authority of the CEO by communicating doubts.

The mistake was not to say unanimous support but the "keep the ED" straw
poll result. It really surprised me because the more you wait the more it
costs (talents leave, delayed arrival of a new CEO, ...), and honnestly
there is no recovery possible at 90% of disapproval from your staff
(C-levels included).
Le 7 mars 2016 7:16 PM, "jytdog"  a écrit :

> Craig, thanks for your reply on this. This is actually not about HR
> matters.  It is about what board members chose to do and say.
>
> It would have made little difference in the RW if they had said "the board
> supports Lila" (and if there was a majority vote for that, the board did
> support Lila) vs "the board unanimously supports Lila".  They chose to
> state the latter.  That has nothing to do with Lila per se, and everything
> to do with the choices individuals made in representing what the board
> actually did.
>
> This is what I meant.  Poor processes poorly executed definitely allowed
> this to happen;  if board votes were accurately recorded in minutes and
> swiftly published, what happened would not be even possible or would be so
> foolish that no one would do it.  But these were still choices that
> individuals made in the context that existed.
>
> These choices and those of other board members  - as individuals  -  have
> created an unbearable set of contradictions that need to resolved.  This is
> what we should focus on.  I hope you can see that the HR angle is a a
> distraction from that, as this has nothing to do with WMF staff per se.
>
> Yes we should also urge the board to develop more rigorous procedures and
> to follow them more closely to make it harder for individuals to make bad
> choices, but there is still resolving what did happen, so that we can go
> forward.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:50 AM, Craig Franklin 
> wrote:
>
> > To be honest, I consider it unlikely that Patricio or anyone else is
> going
> > to discuss HR matters at length in public, even when they concern Lila,
> and
> > especially when they could potentially be interpreted as negative
> towards a
> > particular identifiable individual.  For legal reasons, it might be the
> > case that the BoT will let Lila have as dignified an exit as possible
> from
> > the organisation, without putting a whole bunch of information into the
> > public domain about how they regarded her performance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Craig
> >
> > On 7 March 2016 at 16:39, Oliver Keyes  wrote:
> >
> > > +1. I would also very much appreciate Patricio explaining whether the
> > > "full confidence of the board" actually meant the full confidence:
> > > IOW, that a vote was taken and everyone unanimously agreed that Lila's
> > > continuation was the best thing.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

[Pierre-Selim]

2016-02-29 20:58 GMT+01:00 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>:

> Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out
> the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous
> confidence in our
> leadership."
>
> This statement is not really true. We had a formal vote regarding the ED in
> November and it was not unanimous. The vote unfortunately has not yet been
> made public.
>

Just a question, do you think transparency is about having those kind of
vote in
public minutes ? The comment you made worries me a lot.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

[Pierre-Selim]

Ruslan it's different. Way different I would say, being
head of staff is the role of the ED (when not steping down).

A board member messing with that is doing something bad
for the organization. If a board member is not happy with
the result of the ED, his option is simple, talk about it with
the board and act within the board.

Now, When an ED is stepping down, the board has to step up
during the transition.

Finding the limit of your mandate as board member is not easy
this is why lots of organizations write Board codex, board guidance
book, etc.

2016-02-26 11:16 GMT+01:00 Ruslan Takayev <ruslan.taka...@gmail.com>:

> Jimmy, et al
>
> As yet, we have yet to have coherent believable reasoning for the removal
> of James Heilman from the BoT, but one of the reasons that has been put out
> there (rightly or wrongly) is that James was talking to staff about the
> state of affairs at the WMF.
>
> Is this trip not the exact same thing that James was alleged to have done
> all those months ago? i.e. talking to staff.
>
> Why are trustees, including yourself, only now willing to listen to staff
> concerns? The time for that was BEFORE the proverbial poo hit the fan.
>
> I am seeing the announcement of your trip as nothing more than a "knight in
> shining armor" routine, that frankly is too little too late.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ruslan Takayev
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 4:06 AM, Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@ymail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is a note that I just sent to the staff mailing list (stuck in a
> > queue at the moment, so some staff will see it here first.).
> >
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I am coming to San Francisco on Saturday for a few days to meet with a
> > lot of you.  I know many of you are not actually in San Francisco, so
> > I'll be sure to set aside time for remote meetings as well.
> >
> > By now you of course have heard that Lila is leaving us, and my hope is
> > that we're going to enter a new era of stability and productivity.  And
> > for that to happen, the board - including me - needs to hear from you,
> > to listen and learn.
> >
> > Brion Vibber, who I hired as the first ever employee of the Foundation,
> > said this to me on Facebook recently: "Jimmy Wales welcome back to the
> > conversation. I look forward to how you address the current crisis, and
> > hope it will involve the kind of careful listening and thoughtful
> > consideration that I remember from 2001."
> >
> > That's what I want, too.  I want to listen and I want to help the board
> > make good decisions.
> >
> > For me, the mission - a free encyclopedia for every single person on the
> > planet, in their own language - is what brought us all together.  It's
> > what keeps us going even in difficult times.  But my view is that it
> > doesn't have to be difficult times.  Working at the WMF should be - and
> > will be, I really think - a joy: the joy of working with the best
> > colleagues, the joy of doing work that matters to the world, and the joy
> > of working for the fantastic global community of Wikipedians.
> >
> > I'll be reaching out to some of you - probably starting with people I
> > already know - but please reach out to me as well if you'd like to meet.
> >
> > I'm in SF from Saturday afternoon through Wednesday evening, so
> > depending on demand, I may not be able to see everyone, but I'd like to
> > get a good overview.
> >
> > --Jimbo
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 Harassment Survey - Results Report

[Pierre-Selim]

As an oversighter on Wikimedia Commons, I have witness what has been
described by Maggie and Philippe.

We should take such reports seriously, instead of trying to invalidate the
result. The denial is hindering improvements.
Le 30 janv. 2016 3:03 PM, "Maggie Dennis"  a écrit :

> Hi, Tobias.
>
> The pictures may not be the individuals at all; they may be pornographic
> pictures of others that are misattributed. And sometimes the attribution is
> not to a real name, but to their usernames. In all cases, the intent seems
> to be to humiliate and hurt the target. Sometimes the goal seems to be to
> drive them away.
>
> Of course, I don't know the stories of all the respondents who selected
> that - not even a substantial percentage of them. I was surprised by the
> prevalence, too, but maybe not as surprised as you given what I *have* seen
> in nearly 5 years of working in this area at the WMF. People try all
> different kinds of ways to try to hurt each other, and sexualized attacks
> of one kind or another are sadly really common.
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Tobias  >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Maggie,
> >
> > On 01/30/2016 02:35 PM, Maggie Dennis wrote:
> > > In the time I've worked at the Wikimedia Foundation, I have
> > > (unsurprisingly, given its reported prevalence) come across this kind
> of
> > > harassment in my work with Support and Safety (formerly Community
> > > Advocacy). There have been cases where perfectly harmless pictures of
> the
> > > individuals have been doctored to be sexualized and cases where
> existing
> > > pornographic pictures that were not the individual were selected and
> > > misattributed as being them. I have personally been involved in
> > complaints
> > > of this happening to both men and women.
> >
> > thank you for providing further insights. That is really concerning.
> >
> > At the same time, a great majority of users do not publish photos of
> > themselves, and don't publish their name (which would allow others to
> > find available photos elsewhere), so it is still a mystery to me how
> > this very high percentage can be explained.
> >
> > Tobias
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

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gt; > > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:13:06 +0100
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs
> > >
> > > "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freemiumly share
> > > in the sum of all knowledge." XD
> > >
> > > Il 16/01/2016 10:23, Pete Forsyth ha scritto:
> > > > I'm interested to hear some perspectives on the following line of
> > thinking:
> > > >
> > > > Lisa presented some alternative strategies for revenue needs for the
> > > > Foundation, including the possibility of charging for premium access
> > to the
> > > > services and APIs, expanding major donor and foundation fundraising,
> > > > providing specific services for a fee, or limiting the Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation's growth. The Board emphasized the importance of keeping
> > free
> > > > access to the existing APIs and services, keeping operational growth
> in
> > > > line with the organization's effectiveness, providing room for
> > innovation
> > > > in the Foundation's activities, and other potential fundraising
> > strategies.
> > > > The Board asked Lila to analyze and develop some of these potential
> > > > strategies for further discussion at a Board meeting in 2016.
> > > > Source: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2015-11-07
> > > > -Pete[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

[Pierre-Selim]

2016-01-11 20:58 GMT+01:00 Philippe Beaudette <phili...@beaudette.me>:

> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Marc A. Pelletier <m...@uberbox.org
> <m...@uberbox.org>>
> wrote:
>
> > On 2016-01-11 1:37 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> >
> >> "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund
> >> Wikimedia Antarctica"
> >>
> >
> > But, but... the editathon at McMurdo Station was a resounding success!
> >
> > -- Marc
>
>
> Plus I know of at least one donation made from Antarctica, that year i ran
> the fundraiser...  If that isn't enough to justify chapter creation
>
>
Even commercial airline flies out there <
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/news/2015/11/30/boeing-757-lands-onantarctica-ice-runway/
>
We should do a Wikimania there.

Back on the topic, thanks for this Email Asaf.
It made me remember a very good workshop we had in Berlin at the #wmcon
last year about not being ashame of our failure, and try to learn from it.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing new Wikimedia Foundation Trustees

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2016-01-06 8:52 GMT+01:00 Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com>:

> This is all fascinating and concerning. Most concerning to me is the
> presence on the board of someone actually on Google's payroll right now.
> How can Denny not be fatally conflicted in all - or most - board
> deliberations that involve broad strategy - especially but not only to do
> with WikiData?
>

Are you suggesting the removal of another communitee selected board member ?
Just checking :)


>
> Anthony Cole
> I'm on the board of Wiki Project Med Foundation.
>
> Anthony Cole
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Legoktm <legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 01/05/2016 08:01 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> > > I note we now have on the board:
> > >
> > > * Jimmy Wales, who has served as a member of Google's "Advisory
> Council"
> > > * Denny Vrandecic, who is a Google employee
> > > * Guy Kawasaki, who has served as special advisor to the CEO of the
> > > Motorola business unit of Google
> > > * Kelly Battles of Bracket Computing, which partners with Google Cloud
> > > Platform
> > > * Arnnon Geshuri, who served as Senior Director of HR and Staffing at
> > Google
> > >
> > > Did I miss anyone?
> >
> > I think you missed all the board members who have Google set as their
> > browser's default search engine instead of using DuckDuckGo[1].
> >
> > But really, I think you should be paying attention to Facebook. We are
> > reliant upon HHVM to run MediaWiki, which is developed by them, as well
> > as Phabricator for bug tracking, which was originally developed by them.
> > Furthermore, our current hardware officer[2] is a Facebook employee.
> >
> > [1] https://duckduckgo.com/
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hardware_Officer
> >
> > -- Legoktm
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

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fact that there are no howtos for making a culture more fun. Good news
> is that it's not hard to have fun and to spread it around yourselves.
> And that should help. And, yes, everything above counts in changing
> the culture from being boring to being fun.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

[Pierre-Selim]

Just +1 on the stfu.
Le 16 nov. 2015 7:53 AM, "Christophe Henner" 
a écrit :

> I'm sorry but just shut the fuck up about "religion".
>
> They're bloodlusty assholes that wanted to kill and divide. Nothing more.
>
> It's not a religious thing (Paris isn't à holy city) or a cultural thing.
> It's hate. Simple and plain hate.
>
> They'd like us to say it's about religion and culture. Because that jump
> starts the next sentence, it's us versus them where us has a better
> culture. And then to start discriminating in our own country.
>
> Because us vs them is the basis of any racist speech.
>
> So please stop making it about culture and religion. Or if you want to make
> it about culture, make it about the real culture they attacked : tolerance,
> understanding, love.
>
> That would the best answer we could make.
>
> Thanks
>
> PS: sorry for this email I don't usually send those but hey after that
> week-end I couldn't restrain myself
> Le 16 nov. 2015 7:24 AM, "Isaac David"  a
> écrit :
>
> > Le dim. 15 nov. 2015 à 23:06, Gerard Meijssen  >
> > a écrit :
> >
> >> Hoi,
> >> Your sarcasm is nothing but discrimination. You throw everybody who
> >> beliefs
> >> on one pile.
> >>
> >
> > I don't know how anyone could be more explicit on his treatment of the
> > problems of making an overt generalisation, yet you attack me personally
> on
> > the alleged grounds that I have accused all religious people of being
> > violent.
> >
> > Just as if a religion, any religion is needed for people to
> >> get off the rails. There are plenty of examples of that.
> >>
> >
> > I never said so. I don't think so. Jainism serves as a good example of
> how
> > faith-based beliefs may be completely harmless depending on what the
> claims
> > are. However, I do think  religion is one of the ways some people get off
> > the rails, and that this is a problem that goes largely underestimated
> and
> > unacknowledged, firstly because most people subscribe to a religion and
> > second because it is so easy to confuse the criticism of intolerance and
> > bigotry with actual intolerance and bigotry. But this is irrelevant as
> far
> > as my original reply to Gnangarra and Vandenberg are concerned because I
> > didn't even touch that point. All I said is that I find it extremely
> > dishonest to claim that these attacks had nothing to do with Islam,
> > whatever the extremism and interpretations of ISIS might be and however
> > disconnected and offensive their deeds might look like for the rest of
> > Muslims.
> >
> >
> > As to who is an actual Muslim and who understands the sunna and its
> >> interpretation particularly in the light of Daesh, they are two distinct
> >> questions.
> >> Any typical Muslim will leave the finer points to the scholars,
> >>
> >
> > "Leaving" sounds like a bad idea. What is so great about experts is that
> > they shortcut the access to wisdom, but they shouldn't be used as an
> excuse
> > to waive intellectual responsibility. Scholars disagree, scholars make
> > mistakes , and it will be up to the average person to evaluate the
> problem
> > at hand. Scholars seldom enroll into armed conflict, average people do.
> >
> > any typical Muslim will disagree with Daesh on many major points.
> >>
> >
> > I'm so glad they do and I would like to thank them for it, but this
> > doesn't change a bit the relationship of Islam as a many-stranded
> religion
> > and the attacks at Paris. On the other hand I'm not so comfortable that
> > said major points don't include things like intolerance for other faiths,
> > specially non-Abrahamic ones, death penalty for adultery, the imposition
> of
> > Sharia in Western judicial systems and other topics which are agreed upon
> > by big fractions of Muslims.[1]
> >
> > By the way, I have no special focus on your religion; it's part of the
> > subject of this thread.
> > Regards
> >
> > [1]:
> >
> http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>GerardM
> >>
> >> On 15 November 2015 at 23:09, Isaac David 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>  
> >>>  Yes, because there are many nice self-avowed Jewish, Muslims,
> >>> Christians,
> >>>  etc. around the world. Therefore when some bad people do something
> >>> horrible
> >>>  in the name of their cultural and ideological identity it actually has
> >>>  nothing to do with the ideas themselves, it's always got to be some
> >>> other
> >>>  historical, social or psychological factor, otherwise we would be
> >>> linking
> >>>  bad guys with good guys.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>>  But who are you to decide who is an actual Muslim and who isn't?
> >>>
> >>>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Le dim. 15 nov. 2015 à 15:47, John Mark Vandenberg 
> a
> >>>  écrit :
> >>>
> >>>  On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Gnangarra 

[Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia France board

[Pierre-Selim Huard]

Dear movement fellows,

Wikimedia France held its Annual General Meeting on October 24th, 2015.
During this AGM, we elected 4 board members, of which 1 is new.

Alexis Marise Bique, Ludovic Péron, Benoît Evellin and Léa Lacroix were not
running for a new term.  Wikimedia France board is grateful for their
service.

Emeric Vallespi, Guillaume Goursat were running again and were
reelected. Florian
Pépellin who was appointed in May and was this time candidate for a full
term. As a reminder:

* Émeric Vallespi is 28, a banker living in Montpellier. He served on the
board for three years. He is especially interested in governance issues,
internal control and strategy topics.
* Guillaume Goursat is 30, and is based in Dakar (Senegal) where he works
as an economist in water and sanitation. He served as a treasurer since May
2012 and is interested in internal control and projects in Africa − he
organized Wiki Loves Monuments in Cameroon back in 2013.
* Florian Pépellin is 26, living in Chambéry. An editor since 2005 and
chapter member since 2011, his regular attendance over the years to
Wikimedian meetups all over France has earned him the nickname of « Floflo
of all cabals ». He has just finished his studies in accounting and
research in economy/management. His professional background and his
interest for strategy work prompted us to appoint him to the board 6 months
ago, and he is now elected for a full term.

Now, we would like to welcome a new board member:

* Édouard Hue, 32, is a software architect living in Rennes. He has been an
editor for six years and joined Wikimedia France after meeting chapter
members at Wikipedia's ten years celebrations. He helped his local cabal
grow with the estabilshment of their first partnership with the local
university. After participating in two editions of Wiki Loves Monuments, he
was a juror in two more editions and eventually set up the first edition of
Wiki Loves Earth in France this year with his fellow chapter members. He
also built a Wikimedia Commons software client that Wikimedia France is
looking upon to enable its GLAM partners to upload their content by
themselves. Being more and more involved in Wikimedia France's internal
affairs, Édouard decided to apply as a board member with a focus on local
development and members empowerment.

Our board is now structured as follow:
* Christophe Henner, Chair
* Émeric Vallespi, Vice chair
* Guillaume Goursat, Treasurer
* Sébastien Beyou, Deputy treasurer
* Pierre-Selim Huard, Secretary
* Jean-Frédéric Berthelot, Deputy secretary
* Édouard Hue,
* Samuel Le Goff,
* Florian Pépellin
* Benoît Prieur,

Please welcome the newcomer and do not hesitate to join us in expressing
your gratitude to our former board members!

Sincerely,
Pierre-Selim


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

[Pierre-Selim]

It's a great news to hear that superprotect is gone and the willingness of
a better collaboration.
It's a long-awaited move.

2015-11-05 20:03 GMT+01:00 Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>:

> Yay! Great news about Superprotect's scrapping, also really good to hear
> the direction of travel on the development process.
>
> Chris
> On 5 Nov 2015 17:36, "Quim Gil" <q...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a
> > product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a
> > dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect from
> > Wikimedia servers.
> >
> > Without Superprotect, a symbolic point of tension is resolved. However,
> we
> > still have the underlying problem of disagreement and consequent delays
> at
> > the product deployment phase. We need to become better software partners,
> > work together towards better products, and ship better features faster.
> The
> > collaboration between the WMF and the communities depends on mutual trust
> > and constructive criticism. We need to improve Wikimedia mechanisms to
> > build consensus, include more voices, and resolve disputes.
> >
> > There is a first draft of an updated Product Development Process [2] that
> > will guide the work of the WMF Engineering and Product teams.[3] It
> > stresses the need for community feedback throughout the process, but
> > particularly in the early phases of development. More feedback earlier on
> > will allow us to incorporate community-driven improvements and address
> > potential controversy while plans and software are most flexible.
> >
> > We welcome the feedback of technical and non-technical contributors.
> Check
> > the Q for details.[4]
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Superprotect
> > [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Product_Development_Process
> > [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering
> > [4]
> >
> >
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Product_Development_Process/2015-11-05#Q.26A
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on

[Pierre-Selim]

Thank you Jan!

2015-10-08 10:28 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abar...@wikimedia.org>:

> What Andrea said.
>
> Stay in touch! :)
>
>A.
> On Oct 8, 2015 1:27 AM, "Andrea Zanni" <zanni.andre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jan.
> > I do understand what you say, and I'm happy for you that a new chapter of
> > your life is beginning.
> > Happy editing, and happy new life.
> >
> > Tack
> >
> >
> > Aubrey
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Jan Ainali <jan.ain...@wikimedia.se>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > For the last three years I have been the Executive Director for
> Wikimedia
> > > Sverige. Before that I have been Chairman, Treasurer and Secretary of
> the
> > > board (at different times) and have been involved since the founding of
> > the
> > > chapter in 2007. It is perhaps even an understatement to say that the
> > > chapter has been a big part of my life. I have had the opportunity to
> be
> > > part of a fantastic journey from starting the first chapter’s
> activities
> > to
> > > today, with stable strategic activities, seven people in the office,
> and
> > a
> > > diversified board. It has been an awesome time in my life and I have
> met
> > > and worked with some truly wonderful persons along the way, and I am
> > > thankful to all of you that have made it so inspiring. But now, as my
> > > contract is about to come to an end, I feel that it is time for me to
> > move
> > > on to new endeavours. I am confident that the chapter is already in
> good
> > > hands, with a professional board and an office with experienced staff
> > > members and functional processes, but I’ll be around until at least the
> > > beginning of January to make it a smooth transition.
> > >
> > > I will obviously always be a wikimedian at heart and probably pick up
> on
> > my
> > > editing again and I will also stay subscribed to most mailing lists. If
> > not
> > > earlier, I’ll see you in Esino Lario.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > *Jan Ainali*
> > > Executive director, Wikimedia Sverige <http://wikimedia.se>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till
> > mänsklighetens
> > > samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.*
> > > Bli medlem. <http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Decentralised Wikipedia

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2015-09-23 10:41 GMT+02:00 Erik Aas <esra...@gmail.com>:

> Hello,
>
> this is my first post to this list. I think Wikipedia is a great project
> and am impressed by how well it works. It seems the (lack of) funding of
> the project is one of the more severe threats to its continued success.
> Since (I assume) the biggest cost is the maintenance of servers, I wonder
> if there are there any plans of making Wikipedia decentralised.
>
> Let me elaborate. I'm thinking of a system where many users each would
> store a small part of the encyclopedia. A user wanting to look up or edit
> an article connects to another user who has a copy of that article. When an
> article is updated the update is sent to all other users (that are online)
> responsible for storing that article.
>
> Are there any efforts to accomplish this? Would it be feasible?
>

Basically you would like Wikipedia to work as git works for source code ?

I guess it's feasible given enought ressources. However I think it's not
gonna be ready anytime soon :)


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> Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

[Pierre-Selim]

2015-07-31 19:54 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com:

 FYI, for those interested in uploading to Commons, there was an interesting
 presentation at Wikimania about usability testing this.

 https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-96

 The short answer to your very valid question -- licenses and copyright are
 complicated legal issues when it comes to media. That creeps over into
 usability in ways that are probably going to be very hard to solve.


I guess it adds complexity for sure, however it doesn't explains why we
still can't do
a proper image rotation or crop without hacking around JS or bots (which
makes things
complicated when the volunteer maintainer has enough of fixing is code due
to change
mediawiki).




 -Andrew


 On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov 
 juandevojni...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
 on
  Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could
 it
  be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors =
  VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study wikicode to be able to
  contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
 its
  a priority for WMF.
 
  While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
 I
  am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media
  harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new
  users to Wikipedia.
 
 
  As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
  speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with
  ease:
 
  1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
 
  2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
  transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
 
  3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
 participants
 
  4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
  need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
 
  5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy
 
  6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
 
  e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
 you
  have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
  cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
  Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
  the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
  *category:Cathedrals
  in Iowa*).
 
  Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images
  much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects -
  Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in
 Commons.
  Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
  Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
 
  Thank you very much for your concern!
 
  Regards,
 
  Juandev
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Board of Trustees Chair and Vice Chair positions

[Pierre-Selim]

Congrats Patricio and Alice!

And thank you Jan-Bart :)

2015-07-16 17:08 GMT-05:00 Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com:

 Congratulations (and condolences) to Patricio and Alice! Good news. :)

 Thank you Jan-Bart for your service as Chair and for staying for sticking
 around for the transition. :)

 -greg

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  On Jul 16, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org
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  Hello Everyone
 
  I am happy to inform you that the Board has unanimously appointed a new
 Chair and Vice Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
 
  Patricio Lorente will be the new Chair and Alice Wiegand will be the new
 Vice-Chair. Both have several.years of experience on the board and we are
 confident that they will help the board grow and be successful in the
 coming years.
 
  Personally I am looking forward to helping them get acquainted with
 their new role in the coming months as my time on the Wikimedia Board ends
 in December.
 
  I hope you can join me in congratulating them on their new position and
 wish them success in the challenges facing them.
 
  Jan-Bart de Vreede
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

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Farewell Fabrice, and thanks for all the kindness!

2015-06-23 5:35 GMT+02:00 Ziko van Dijk zvand...@gmail.com:

 Dear Fabrice,

 Thank you for your work, you leave the Foundation and all of us richer. I
 hope that your ideas will still make an impact on the movement.

 All the best for your next plans,
 Ziko



 Am Dienstag, 23. Juni 2015 schrieb Oona Castro :

  Dear Fabrice,
  it was a pleasure to collaborate with your work. You did a very good job
  and I enjoyed the atmosphere you created with your colleagues.
  wish you all the best
  Oona
 
 
  2015-06-20 18:48 GMT-03:00 attolippip attolip...@gmail.com
 javascript:;
  :
 
   May you fare well!
  
   We have published a few blog posts and you have been a great help to
 us.
   Wish you all the best!
  
   Best regards,
   antanana
   ED of Wikimedia Ukraine
  
   2015-06-18 19:25 GMT+03:00 Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
  javascript:;:
  
Hello everyone,
   
After three great years working at the foundation, the time has come
 to
say goodbye.
   
I will be leaving WMF at the end of June, to spend more time with my
family, focus on personal art projects and consult part-time on
 worthy
causes.
   
I would like to thank all the community and team members I have had
 the
pleasure to work with over the years. It has been an honor to serve
 our
movement together — and to help our contributors share free knowledge
   with
each other and the world.
   
I’m particularly grateful to Katherine Maher and our WMF
 communications
team for being such wonderful collaborators. I really enjoyed working
   with
them to manage and edit the Wikimedia blog, help grow our team and
   publish
some great stories together, to celebrate the heroes of our movement.
   
Going forward, WMF's Juliet Barbara will manage the Wikimedia blog,
 in
close collaboration with Ed Erhart. As many of you know, Ed is the
  former
editor-in-chief of the Wikipedia Signpost and has now joined our team
  for
the summer. I've worked with him for nearly a month now and find him
uniquely qualified for this project. Starting today, please contact
  them
directly with any questions about the blog (they are Cc:d on this
   message).
   
After June 30, you can reach me at fabriceflo...@gmail.com
  javascript:; — or follow
me on Twitter ( @fabriceflorin ) or on my blog (
   http://fabriceflorin.com
).
   
The last three years have been an incredible experience for me, and I
  am
grateful for all that I have learned from so many of you. You’ve been
  an
inspiration to me and I have many fond memories of our time
 together. I
wish you all the best with the next chapter of the Wikimedia movement
  and
can’t wait to see what you’ll come up with next.
   
Best regards,
   
   
Fabrice
   
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[Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

[Pierre-Selim]

Dear movement fellows,

Impact is crucial for our movement, and although metrics will always be
imperfect, we must strive to reinvent ourselves and always come up with new
innovative ways of  measuring what we bring to the Wikimedia projects, to
free knowledge, and to human society.

Measuring impact regarding collections of media holds its own challenges
and although we have been focusing on this for a while now, much work still
lies ahead.

We were inspired by the “bytes added” metric, one of the pinnacles of
written content expansion measurement, which goes beyond mere edit count.
The same reasoning holds true for media:a puny upload count cannot come
close to the real awesomeness.

This is why, as we appreciate that size matters, Wikimedia France quality
commitee is proud to introduce its brand new set of metrics: the pixel
count and the quality pixel count − since quality is of firstmost
importance.

You may query the Pixel count metric for your FDC reports as part of our
wm-metrics webapp [1]

Furthermore, an implementation of these new metrics will also ship with our
new new (teasing!) product [2]

As of April 1st 2015 Wikimedia France has supported the upload on Wikimedia
Commons of:

   - 1 229 694 933 639 pixels [3]


   - among those pixels, 22 407 932 851 are quality pixels (18,223512%) [4]


This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.

Confident in the relevance of these new indicators, we would be delighted
and honored to see the Pixel count integrated in the Global Metrics.

As always we welcome feedback, hugs and pull requests.

Sincerely,
For the quality committee of Wikimedia France
Caroline, Jean-Fred, Pierre-Selim and Petit Tigre

[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/wm-metrics/fdc
[2]
https://github.com/Commonists/MediaCollectionDB/commit/4c2ab42f83e894c9dd317038ad025abdeb946f6e
[3] http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2882
[4] http://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/2886



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

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2015-04-01 22:09 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org:

 On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote:
  This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels,
  encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels.

 That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are
 equally valuable.  Surely, you should be also assigning weights to
 pixels depending on how much information they carry - background pixels
 out of the FOV aren't worth as much!

 Also, some historic pixels may be worth several newer ones.  Pixel
 valuation is an art as much as it is a science.


Thank you for your valuable input, we will think about it for next
iterations.



 -- Marc

 Ouais bon, poisson d'avril?  :-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France board handbook

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2014-12-11 11:02 GMT+01:00 Alice Wiegand awieg...@wikimedia.org:

 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:47 AM, charles andrès (WMCH) 
 charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thanks a lot Wikimedia France,
 
  Another good exemple why we need to improve the Translation system
 on-wiki
  and allow to start from non-english source.
 
  Charles
 


 So true!


So true !



 Alice.




 
 
 
 
 
   Le 11 déc. 2014 à 10:39, Claudia Garád claudia.ga...@wikimedia.at a
  écrit :
  
   Thanks for sharing Emeric and Jean-Fred!
  
   I would love to see a translation of this important resource and I'm
  sure it could be useful for others as well. :-)
  
   Best
   Claudia
  
   Am 11.12.2014 um 07:20 schrieb Emeric Vallespi:
   Hi, and thanks for your support :)
  
   Sure Winifred, I will add a learning pattern, actually it's on my
 to-do
   list!
  
   In order to improve our sharing with the movement, we are thinking
 about
   translate some of documents we produced. Let us know if you think
 useful
   to translate the WMFr Board Handbook, even if others already exists in
   english.
  
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

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Just on the same page as Pipo, thank you Steven for this nice troll.

2014-12-11 21:39 GMT+01:00 Pipo Le Clown plecl...@gmail.com:

 I'm on the road every two weekends, and processing pictures the rest of the
 time on my free time. I've provided around 8000 pictures to Commons, and
 helped to have pictures for articles like Cristiano Ronaldo, Roy Hogdson or
 Greig Laidlaw...

 Just to read that I'm a fascist and an anal retentive because someone
 proposed a fucking picture of KitKat for deletion ? It was not even
 deleted, the discussion is still going on. And even if it was, the right
 place to go would have been COM:UDR, with a strong rationale, where people
 would have discuss it in a civilised manner. Not in this echo chamber...

 So yes, one could say that the thread was accusatory from the start, and
 quickly went to vicious. One could also say that this is a fucking
 disgrace.

 Pleclown

 On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote:

  Okay, guys, let's all take a step back and remember [[WP:Civility]].
  (Yeah, I know that's a Wikipedia pillar, but can't we all at least get
  on board with that one?)
 
  The tone of this thread was accusatory from the start, and quickly
  went to vicious. Maybe everyone can try it again with a bit of AGF.
 
  Austin
 
 
  On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:30 PM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   P.S. Stephen, you are young and handsome, in fact rather dishy to my
   ageing eyes. Good for you. Keep in mind that your fellow volunteers
   might not have been born so lucky, and that being young and pretty all
   too soon passes into memory, sigh.
  
  
   Fæ, this is not acceptable for the list (or for that matter on wiki).
   Stephen's neckbeard comment certainly wasn't helpful either but it's no
   excuse.
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

[Pierre-Selim]

I recommend Trappist Rochefort 10, and gulden draak ;)

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photograph 'em all

PS: I can recommend the beers: Kriek, Framboise, Peche, and some more. But
it is recommend to drink these in Brussels to experience the region where
it belongs to.

In London I can recommend a Honey Dew!




2014-11-29 11:44 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com:

 I vote for Brussels  beer, I tasted them the past weeks and it asks for
 more.

 The day before yesterday I heard that some beers from Brussels are typical
 Brussels as the region has a special local micro climate.

 But I must say, I think it is good to document cheese, as well as other
 food/drinks, we should have more photos with better quality. I really hope
 this contributes to this.

 Romaine

 2014-11-28 10:32 GMT+01:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com:

 Me too me too!
 But before, Brussels on beer.

 Aubrey

 On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Craig Franklin 
 cfrank...@halonetwork.net
 wrote:

  Forget that, I'd like WMUK to fly me to Scotland so that I can, uh,
  research and write about various types of whisky.
 
  Cheers,
  Craig
 
  On 25 November 2014 at 18:59, Jon Davies jon.dav...@wikimedia.org.uk
  wrote:
 
   And next the wine project? Count me in.
  
   On 24 November 2014 at 18:22, Christophe Henner 
   christophe.hen...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
Good news everyone,
   
Cheese articles are gonna get improved!
   
As french, it was dreadful for us to see so few illustrations of
 cheese
   on
Wikipedia. This is about to change.
   
A group of french Wikimedians, lead by Pierre-Yves Beaudouin,
 designed
  a
project to photograph many cheeses, up to 200 for the moment.
   
This project is perticular as we aim to have it found through a
 french
crowdfunding platform, KissKissBankBank.
   
Of course Wikimedia France could have funded it itself, but we
 wanted
  to
use the project as a way to get the larger audience aware of their
   ability
to contribute and to give a fun image of contributing.
   
The project in few words iss follow :
* 10 cheeses per session
* During the session the cheeses are photographed and their articles
improved
* During the sessions experimented wikimedian would train new
 editors
* At every session every participant would enjoy eating good cheese
 too
   
If you want to read more, or even contribute, about the project you
 can
   go
on KissKissBankBank :
http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/wikicheese
   
   
If you have any questions, please feel free to shoot them on or off
  list.
   
All the best,
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata wins the ODI Open Data Award

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Kudos \o/ and keep on the good work!

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Hey everyone :)

I forgot to send this to wikimedia-l this morning as well...
I'm incredibly happy to share the news with you that Wikidata has won
the Open Data Award of the Open Data Institute in the category
publisher. The world is starting to notice that we have something big
with Wikidata.
http://opendatainstitute.org/news/first-odi-open-data-awards-presented-by-sir-tim-berners-lee-and-sir-nigel-shadbolt


Cheers
Lydia


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Hey everyone,

Wow! We won! \o/ This is incredible. I am so happy to see this
recognition of all the work we've put into Wikidata together. Magnus
and I had a blast at the award ceremony yesterday night. Here's a
picture of us on stage with Sir Nigel Shadbolt and Sir Tim
Berners-Lee: https://twitter.com/opencorporates/status/529721444549550080
Here's Wikidata written in huge letters above the heads of the
audience: https://twitter.com/marin_dim/status/529721419580854272 And
here is Magnus and me with the price:
https://twitter.com/wikidata/status/529723778558083074
I am delighted that they especially recognized the breath of topics
Wikidata covers and that it has been developed in the open since the
beginning. This award is for everyone in this community. We should be
proud! This is a perfect start into year 3 of Wikidata :)


Cheers
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New AffCom members

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Congrats \o/

2014-11-04 8:50 GMT+01:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:

 Congratulations!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vandalism on photographs of living people

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Well kudos, it's always nice to see people taking such problem seriously
and not trolling about it.

2014-10-18 5:02 GMT+02:00 Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com:

 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

  I would not want to claim the credit. :-)
 
  This was done the wiki-way, as an interesting tangent from discussion at
 
 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Better_watchlisting
  .
  The final SQL is mostly Bawolff's experience, and I happen to be playing
  around with SQL to support the Wellcome Images upload project I'm
 spending
  most of my volunteer time on, thanks to some prompting to get more value
  from the wiki database from Steinsplitter. When communities use wikis to
  work together, it sure speeds up this sort of response compared to
 working
  it all out by yourself.
 
  Fae
  ​
 

 ​Well then kudos to Bawolff, Steinsplitter, and yourself, Fæ. It's always
 heartening to see proactive initiatives. We should discuss them more often,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Insights of the Chapters Dialogue are online!

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 to the
  movement causes severe insecurities and is fuelling conflicts and
  misperceptions.
 
  Money-driven decisions: Creating a consensus about money, its
  collection and responsible dissemination (donors’ trust!) is scarcely
  possible. The Haifa trauma persistently blights the relationship
  between WMF and the Chapters, fuelled by additional disagreement about
  the new fundraising and grantmaking processes.
 
  The gap in leadership: Who should take the leadership role and what
  should leadership in the Wikimedia movement look like? Adopting the
  narrowed focus, the WMF clearly states that it does not see the
  development of movement entities as their duty. Chapters on the other
  hand expect the WMF to take a leading role in Chapters’ development,
  while the WMF expects Chapters to be more proactive.
 
  None of these conflicts can be viewed in isolation, and no solution
  can be developed without a thorough understanding and frank
  conversations about the causes in the first place. We therefore
  consider that it would be highly irresponsible to suggest solutions to
  any of the described issues. Instead, we have distilled tough
  questions from the insights that need to be addressed urgently and
  answered in an open and comprehensive manner:
 
  1. What do we as a movement want to achieve? Do we run a website or
  foster free knowledge? Why are we doing the things we do, and what
  for?
  2. How do we define impact when exploring new territory? And how do we
  measure success?
  3. What is the role of the Wikimedia Foundation?
  4. How do we want to communicate with each other? How can we build the
  necessary empathy and learn from each other? How can we overcome the
  old narrative and perceptions?
  5. Where does the money come from and where should it go? Should money
  be the limiting factor when striving for Free Knowledge?
  6. What movement framework is best suited to fulfil the Wikimedia
 mission?
 
  The way things are at present inhibits the movement from striving
  effectively for Free Knowledge. Instead of using its full potential to
  further its mission, it revolves around itself. The common mission is
  at serious risk if the movement does not tackle the causes of its
  problems.
 
  These tough questions can only be approached in a structured and
  professional way, with dedication and commitment. There is no point in
  tinkering with the symptoms and finding single-problem solutions.
 
  The Chapters Dialogue concludes with the recommendation to build upon
  the insights and to initiate a sequel: the design of a framework for
  the Wikimedia movement in which it can work strongly and effectively
  towards its mission in a professional way, yet stay true to its
  grassroots and maintain its diversity.
 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you Mobile team

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2014-07-11 10:06 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:

 While we're talking about technology issues on WIkimedia-l, I'd like to say
 that now that I've worked my way over a few speedbumps with mobile editing
 I'm happy with the direction that mobile editing is going, so thank you
 Mobile team.


+1

I also want to add, that I'm happy with the Visual Editor. It's not
perfect, but for basic editing it works just fine. I've had very nice
feedback from new user during training on how Visual Editor works.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board skill grid 2014

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Thank you Alice for sharing this with the community.


2014-07-09 9:56 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:

 I largely agree, and I also think this chart shows that the Board badly
 needs people with management expertise.

 Pine


 On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 09/07/2014, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
   I find the terminology and scoring here to be pretty obscure. Can
 someone
   explain in detail what the definitions of each criterion are and what
 the
   different scores mean applied to each criterion? For example, what does
   Geographic diversity for the board as a whole mean as a skill?
 
  +1
 
  Can it be in plain English please, rather than weird jargon?
 
  Examples include:
 
  * Gender diversity for the board as a whole - this might mean
  counting how many women are on the board (so why not say that?), or
  maybe it includes other dimensions, like a count of LGBT identifying
  people. The board as a whole might mean that the count is of people
  who are not actually board members, it is very unclear.
 
  * Geographic diversity for the board as a whole - this might mean
  counting the number of countries where board members reside, or how
  many different countries they have resided in, or how much they
  travel, or several other things. It may or may not be a part of
  Ethnic / multi-lingual diversity for the board as a whole which is
  counted as a second thingy.
 
  * Visionary creative drive - this appears to be classic management
  speak rather than English. I hope that the board has very few
  visionaries, it sounds like having several might become disruptive.
  Boards benefit from having several people who are not creative (that
  can be a good thing when you want basic stuff actually done, like
  giving some oversight for the annual accounts).
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiknic reports and photos

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There was also Wiknic organized in French speaking region in end of May
2014:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Wiknic

Since mid-2011 we also have regular events such as Tuesday Wiki 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Mardi_c%27est_Wiki.


2014-07-07 9:42 GMT+02:00 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:

 Wiknic New York City 2014:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikNYC_July_6,_2014_one.jpg
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikNYC_July_6,_2014_two.jpg
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WikNYC_July_6,_2014_three.jpg
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014_WikNYC_by_Elias_Friedman.jpg

 Wiknic Seattle 2014:


 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Seattle_Wiknic_2014_minus_2_attendees.jpg

 I attended the Seattle event which featured 13 people, a quadcopter, foods
 based on recipes from multiple continents, and a wide range of intelligent
 and enjoyable conversation.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikipedia Summit “Wikimania” comes to London - Largest ever gathering

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, Research Director, Centre for Analysis of Social Media,
Demos – Miller will share findings from Demos’ efforts to engage
 citizens
and increase voter participation by experimenting with using
 Wikipedia-like
systems.


- Cameron Neylon, Advocacy Director, Public Library of Science – Neylon
is a longtime advocate for open access and unrestricted online access to
peer-reviewed scholarly research.


- Lydia Pintscher, Product Manager, Wikidata – Pintscher will present
Wikidata, the free knowledge base that can be read and edited by humans
 and
machines alike. Wikidata centralises access to, and the management of
structured data.


- Sir Nigel Shadbolt, Chairman and Co-Founder of the Open Data Institute
(ODI); Professor of Artificial Intelligence and Head of the Web and
Internet Science Group at the University of Southampton; Principal
Investigator for the Theory And Practice of Social Machines Working
 Group.


- David White, Head of Technology Enhanced Learning at the University of
the Arts, London – Now that Wikipedia’s done everyone’s homework, what’s
left to teach?


- Lila Tretikov, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation – The impact
of Wikipedia in our changing world and its potential for our future.

 Notes to editors

 The conference takes place from 8th to 10th August at The Barbican Centre,
 London, with a programme of fringe events already underway. Alongside will
 run a pre-conference on education (6th and 7th August) and a hackathon (6th
 to 10th August), with the opening ceremony on the evening of the 7th. The
 main conference website is: www.wikimanialondon.org; where tickets are now
 on sale for £30/45/55 (1 day/3 days/5 days).

 There are a number of complimentary tickets available for journalists who
 would like to attend. Please contact pr...@wikimanialondon.org.

 The conference is being supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, Google,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

[Pierre-Selim]

2014-06-18 16:58 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com:

 The issue here seems to be political/community rather than technology. I
 could probably set up a MediaWiki installation with WikiBase plugin on Tool
 Labs within a day or so, then have a bot create/synchronize an item for
 each file on Commons. Community could start to create properties, and bots
 could fill in basic statements.

 That said, I'm not doing that. First, no time. Second, ire of the WMF for
 making them scramble to re-create my stuff yet again ;-)


And if we say please ?



 Cheers,
 Magnus


 On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:32 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   At the current time, I have yet to see how the Wikidata theoretical
   use improves finding images on Commons today. After regularly getting
   emails over the past two years raising expectations of how these
   problems will be solved through Wikidata, I have yet to be involved or
   invited to join any Commons based Wikidata project, despite being
   currently the most active unpaid volunteer uploader for Commons.
  
 
  There is;
  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata
  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikidata_for_media_info
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wikimedia_Commons
 
  I formally invite you to take a look and join the discussions if you feel
  like :-)
 
 
  
   One of my particular interests was sorting out the Geograph project
   where I added meaningful place categories to images (around a million
   images). Last year I deliberately deferred continuing improvements and
   new uploads based on suggestions of how Wikidata was going to
   revolutionise the way this worked. As far as I am aware, there is
   still no published plan to help with identifying Commons categories
   with places using Wikidata; indeed for projects like our Avionics
   batch uploads (which rely on Airport categories and their locations) I
   have been told the opposite, to no longer expect, nor wait, for this
   to be sorted out and I am likely to revise my Geograph work without
   any plans to incorporate Wikidata, or work with Wikidata.
  
  
  You would need a lua template to do a bit of triangulation:
  1. From the linked Commons category to the Wikidata item you fetch the
  statements
  2. One of those statements should be category's main topic (P301)
  3. From the linked item, you can extract the location data
 
  This should be possible once this bug is implemented
  https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47930
 
  I don't much about the Geograph project, but perhaps your work might be
  compatible with a future deployment of wikidata for media info?
 
  Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Bangladesh has completed its local registration in Bangladesh

[Pierre-Selim]

Congratulations to the WBF

Pierre-Selim
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Congratulations to Wikimedia Bangladesh!

Katy



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 Well, you may find it strange but it almost feels like being a father to
 us. It was a really long and frustrating struggle. This achievement is a
 great confidence boost up for all of us.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] COM:IDENT?

[Pierre-Selim]

Hi all,

As an oversight, I'd like to give an advice first. When encountering a
privacy matter that you believe falls under the oversight policy 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy#Use you should probably
contact directly oversight-comm...@lists.wikimedia.org rather than linking
the information on a public forum (or even on a talk page), i.e. if there
is a real breach of privacy more people will see it :(.

That said, I fail to see what falls under the oversight policy as explained
by Odder on his talk page. The only use case that come to mind is the first
one *Removal of non-public personal information*, however by publishing the
information the couple seems to agree, for now, to have this information
published (as far as we know, they are not lying about their identity). I'd
gladly suppress the personnal information if it is requested by the person
concerned or if it was an obvious mistake.

As an administrator, it remains, [[COM:IDENT]] which is a guildeline on how
to proceed with photography of identifiable person, however I don't see any
photo in this discussion.

In the end I just think we are having this thread because of the topic
being related to nudity (which is clearly a not consensual topic in our
communities, probably because it is cultural) and not really because of any
real breach of privacy. If I'm getting it wrong, I'm open to discussion.


2014-05-20 20:04 GMT+02:00 Pipo Le Clown plecl...@gmail.com:

 (...)
 Now, I'm not really at ease with Odder's decision, and I think we (as a
 community) need to discuss that, in a civilized manner. This could have
 (and will, I hope ) happened on the pages meant for that, on Commons,
 without any unnecessary drama.


@ Pipo Le Clown  Feel free to send an email to the oversight mailing list
or start a discussion on Wikimedia Commons in order to explain your
opinion. I believe the oversight team is open to community input.


 Pleclown



Sincerely Pierre-Selim,


 On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Thyge ltl.pri...@gmail.com wrote:

  What a kind communication! It gives me the impression that you are afraid
  to discuss matters outside of Commons.
 
  The special role of Commons as a joint resource should occationally allow
  concerns to be raised outside the community of commonites. If concerns
 are
  not of a general nature, please at least deal with them in a friendly
  manner.
 
  Regards,
  Thyge
 
 
 
  2014-05-20 17:51 GMT+02:00 Pipo Le Clown plecl...@gmail.com:
 
   You didn't get the answer you wanted, so you're forum shopping to get
 the
   right one ? How nice of you.
Le 20 mai 2014 17:37, Jeevan Jose jkadav...@gmail.com a écrit :
  
   
   
  
 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Odderoldid=124445321#Commons_talk:Nudity
   
Is this the way Commons:Photographs of identifiable people works?
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] COM:IDENT?

[Pierre-Selim]

2014-05-20 21:35 GMT+02:00 Pipo Le Clown plecl...@gmail.com:

 @Risker: I was thinking the same, hence my disagreement with Odder's
 decision. But I've visited the linked website (NSFW) and one can only
 assume that the person on the pictures is fully aware of the implication of
 said photos on the internet and willing to see them diffused.


+1, I guess Odder (like me) also did his homework and did use this
information to take his decision. Sorry, I've tried to give a complete
answer, but it's never easy in a foreign language.


 @Pierre-Selim: After a visit on the website, my concerns have all vanished.



Ok just a timeline problem, we did not had the same information at the time
we wrote :-)



 Pleclown


 On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

  I do not understand why anyone would assume that the woman has agreed to
  this, without her actually, personally, saying that she has agreed to
 this.
 
  Risker
 
 
  On 20 May 2014 15:22, Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info wrote:
 
   Hi all,
  
   As an oversight, I'd like to give an advice first. When encountering a
   privacy matter that you believe falls under the oversight policy 
   https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Oversight_policy#Use you should
  probably
   contact directly oversight-comm...@lists.wikimedia.org rather than
  linking
   the information on a public forum (or even on a talk page), i.e. if
 there
   is a real breach of privacy more people will see it :(.
  
   That said, I fail to see what falls under the oversight policy as
  explained
   by Odder on his talk page. The only use case that come to mind is the
  first
   one *Removal of non-public personal information*, however by publishing
  the
   information the couple seems to agree, for now, to have this
 information
   published (as far as we know, they are not lying about their identity).
  I'd
   gladly suppress the personnal information if it is requested by the
  person
   concerned or if it was an obvious mistake.
  
   As an administrator, it remains, [[COM:IDENT]] which is a guildeline on
  how
   to proceed with photography of identifiable person, however I don't see
  any
   photo in this discussion.
  
   In the end I just think we are having this thread because of the topic
   being related to nudity (which is clearly a not consensual topic in our
   communities, probably because it is cultural) and not really because of
  any
   real breach of privacy. If I'm getting it wrong, I'm open to
 discussion.
  
  
   2014-05-20 20:04 GMT+02:00 Pipo Le Clown plecl...@gmail.com:
  
(...)
Now, I'm not really at ease with Odder's decision, and I think we
 (as a
community) need to discuss that, in a civilized manner. This could
 have
(and will, I hope ) happened on the pages meant for that, on Commons,
without any unnecessary drama.
   
  
   @ Pipo Le Clown  Feel free to send an email to the oversight mailing
  list
   or start a discussion on Wikimedia Commons in order to explain your
   opinion. I believe the oversight team is open to community input.
  
  
Pleclown
   
  
  
   Sincerely Pierre-Selim,
  
  
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Thyge ltl.pri...@gmail.com wrote:
   
 What a kind communication! It gives me the impression that you are
   afraid
 to discuss matters outside of Commons.

 The special role of Commons as a joint resource should occationally
   allow
 concerns to be raised outside the community of commonites. If
  concerns
are
 not of a general nature, please at least deal with them in a
 friendly
 manner.

 Regards,
 Thyge



 2014-05-20 17:51 GMT+02:00 Pipo Le Clown plecl...@gmail.com:

  You didn't get the answer you wanted, so you're forum shopping to
  get
the
  right one ? How nice of you.
   Le 20 mai 2014 17:37, Jeevan Jose jkadav...@gmail.com a
  écrit :
 
  
  
 

   
  
 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Odderoldid=124445321#Commons_talk:Nudity
  
   Is this the way Commons:Photographs of identifiable people
 works?
  
   Regards,
   Jee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] COM:IDENT?

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2014-05-20 22:03 GMT+02:00 Risker risker...@gmail.com:

 On 20 May 2014 15:43, Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info wrote:

  2014-05-20 21:35 GMT+02:00 Pipo Le Clown plecl...@gmail.com:
 
   @Risker: I was thinking the same, hence my disagreement with Odder's
   decision. But I've visited the linked website (NSFW) and one can only
   assume that the person on the pictures is fully aware of the
 implication
  of
   said photos on the internet and willing to see them diffused.
  
 
  +1, I guess Odder (like me) also did his homework and did use this
  information to take his decision. Sorry, I've tried to give a complete
  answer, but it's never easy in a foreign language.
 
 
 I repeat my initial statement, why are you assuming that the woman has
 given authorization for publication of images on Wikimedia Commons?


Please link to the images you are talking about, because to my own
knowledge none have been published on Wikimedia Commons.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA

[Pierre-Selim]

Still no explanation (nor appologies) on usage of inappropriate wording
towards volunteer by the board of Wikimedia Argentina.

It quite amazing when almost all projects have policies on civility ...


2014-02-27 0:24 GMT+01:00 geni geni...@gmail.com:

 On 26 February 2014 22:39, Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com wrote:

  [Sorry for this excurse]
 
  Dear Geni, the 20 years indeed come from article 24 of law 11 723. The 25
  years come from the Berne Convention.


 But that merely established a minimum under international law. Unless you
 have some case law that says otherwise I'd suggest that article 6 applies
 to unpublished photographs which results in an effective term of life+10
 for unpublished photographs (although life+30 could be gained through
 careful timing of publication).



  In any case, Argentine copyright law
  is already known and documented in Commons, and we have been using a
  specific template (PD-AR-Photo) for years.


 See the last section of the template talk page which covers some of the
 issues the template has with US law. I'm afraid years of use doesn't mean
 that it has been reviewed by common's more serious copyright nerds.



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[Wikimedia-l] Open letter on open letters (Was: Open letter from Wikimedia Argentina regarding URAA)

[Pierre-Selim]

I'm sorry but I find it pretty inappropriate that a chapter published such
strong words about volunteers of a Wikimedia Project *certain legal
fetishism whose reason gets lost in processes and misses the outcome.*

I'm speaking on my behalf, however as a former board member of a Wikimedia
Chapter I would never ever publish such a text, it's uncalled for and
inappropriate to judge so strongly volunteers who dededicate their time for
our common mission Free educational knowledge http://www.wikimedia.org/.

As a Wikimedia Commons volunteer I'm disappointed by the process followed
by some chapters, i.e. which have chosen to bypass the community and send a
letter directly to the board of trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation.
However, I must say I would have prefered the chapters to talk with the
principal stakeholders, i.e. all the communities. I know, said chapters are
not forced to talk with the communities but It is rather ironical, when
ignoring the stakeholder is a blame that I have heard a lot this month :p I
believe the community as a whole is capable of complex discussion and
decision as proven by the *Trademark policy consultation*, or the *reclaim
community logo discussions*.

The thing that sadden the most is that I believe discussion on the URAA
application is important movement wide (and also for the spread of free
knowledge), however this discussion doesn't start on a good process and
some letters were not mellow.

I know people might not share my point of view on how we should work
together as a movement, however I wanted to state it. That being said, it
doesn't change all the good work done by WMIL, WMES, WMAR, and I'll be
happy to talk with anyone of you guys around a drink the next time we can
meet to share our vision of the movement.

*Disclaimer:* I'm writting on my own capacity, my opinion as an
administrator (and oversighter) on Commons is that I'm pretty neutral on
the URAA matter, what I want and need is a community consensus to apply
when I'm using the tools the Community gave me.

Sincerely,
Pierre-Selim

2014-02-24 21:51 GMT+01:00 Galileo Vidoni gali...@gmail.com:

 Dear movement fellows,

 Wikimedia Argentina would like to express its support for the letter by
 Wikimedia Israel regarding URAA-motivated massive content deletions in
 Wikimedia Commons. Yet, we would like to express our view not only to the
 Foundation BoT but also to all Wikimedia editors, and especially to those
 working in Wikimedia Commons.

 Volunteers from Argentina have been among the most affected by the policy
 adopted by Wikimedia Commons administrators regarding images that could
 fall under URAA copyright provisions. Argentine copyright law provides that
 images enter the public domain only 25 years after their production and
 20 after their first documented publication. This relatively generous
 criterion has enabled unaffiliated volunteers and we as Wikimedia Argentina
 to enrich Commons with hundreds of thousands of historical images that are
 absolutely free under Argentine law: images of the political and every day
 life of the country, of its culture, of its popular idols, of its joyful
 and dark days, of its customs and architecture.

 However, over the last months certain Wikimedia Commons administrators have
 conducted massive deletions of these contents, in many cases involving
 entire categories. The burden of proof has been inverted: instead of having
 to justify the deletion of a certain file, things go that volunteers have
 to devout their time trying to justify the validity of their efforts. This
 has caused great damage, not only by way of our readers loosing access to
 free educational contents, but also de-motivating many editors and
 volunteers by making them feel that their efforts are ultimately vain and
 that our goal of free knowledge for everyone is being replaced by a certain
 legal fetishism whose reason gets lost in processes and misses the outcome.

 We acknowledge that the Wikimedia Foundation BoT and its Legal team have
 repeatedly stated, as has been reinforced in recent communications, that
 images shouldn't be deleted unless we receive a takedown notice, and that
 it has not received a single URAA-motivated notice to date. Certain
 Wikimedia Commons administrators have dismissed the Foundation's statement
 as a mere opinion vis-à-vis the SCOTUS ruling. Yet, it is an opinion by the
 organization that is legally responsible for the contents being hosted in
 Wikimedia Commons.

 We respectfully call the Wikimedia Commons community to reflect on the
 practical consequences of its current policy on URAA's implementation.
 Those files generating potential conflict could be even identified as such
 without the need for a pre-emptive deletion. And we would like the Commons
 community to reflect not only on the preventive loss of free contents we
 are generating, but also on the harmful disconnection between Wikimedia
 Commons and all of the other Wikimedia projects it serves

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

[Pierre-Selim]

I'm sorry about your problem Klaus, however I think that you won't get
anywhere by calling people trolls.


2013/12/30 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com

 On Dec 29, 2013 5:51 PM, Fæ faewik+comm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 29 Dec 2013 22:43, Klaus Graf klausg...@googlemail.com wrote:
  
   I think it would be the best if _all_ URAA affected files would be kept
   until a DMCA take down notice.
 
  Your proposal would be more useful made with the Commons community

 Both excellent suggestions.

 Sam.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] HTTPS for logged in users on Wednesday August 21st

[Pierre-Selim]

First of all, I'm sorry If my tone was not appropriate (keep in mind I'm
not a native speaker).

2013/8/21 Terry Chay tc...@wikimedia.org

 On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:39 AM, Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info wrote:

  Just a question: Why imposing HTTPS ? Really, it will be damaging

 The reason why is outlined in Ryan's blog post as well as his previous
 post and the Wikipedia entry on https linked from that post.

 The short answer is the current state is known to present a number of
 privacy and security vulnerabilities further emphasized by the now-known
 existence of software designed to deliberaty target these vulnerabilities
 in Wikipedia specifically.

 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/08/01/future-https-wikimedia-projects/


I just think the user should be informed of this and should have the choice
(so the user can make an enlightened choice). And that is mostly my point.
All the explanation you have given are good, and the work of the WMF is
good IMO..


  Thank you for all the time you spent on this feature, however I'm not
  convinced at all.

 Luckily, the standard for the Movement is consensus, not catering to every
 extremist view with 100% buy-in. The latter standard is impossible as
 people would be affected either way. The technical component is informing
 the decision and helps to hash out some of the details, but this is a case
 where parts of the Vision are being compromised today, and a different
 (hopefully better) compromise is being reached through this rollout.


Off course, I was just giving my opinion, I'm one user and do not represent
more than that. We will see how it works out, and I would be happy to owe
you a drink if everything goes smooth.


 Take care,

 terry


Thank you for your answer and have a nice roll out.



  
 
  2013/8/21 Ryan Lane rl...@wikimedia.org
 
  On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org
  wrote:
 
  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi, context please?
 
 
  Continuation of this thread from wikitech-l:
 
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-August/thread.html#71285
 
 
  tl;dr summary:
  * ops plans to switch logins to HTTPS
  * switching all logins to HTTPS is known to break access for logged-in
  users in countries where Wikimedia's HTTPS servers are blocked by
  government censorship
  * there are some plans to mitigate this by excluding some languages
 from
  the requirement
  * this is controversial for several reasons, one of which is that it
 will
  break access for users in those countries on language projects that are
  not
  excepted (eg English Wikipedia in mainland China)
  The last point isn't accurate. The original plan was to exempt certain
  languages from the login redirection, and those projects would be home
  wikis. When someone logged-in there, they'd also be logged-in everywhere
  else via central auth. The current plan is to disable the HTTPS redirect
  using geolocation for countries that have a  5% error rate for HTTPS
  requests.
 
  This discussion is technical, so I'm going to move back to wikitech-l,
 now.
 
  - Ryan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wca] Telco on Friday

[Pierre-Selim]

Dear all,

I'm quite astonished we've planned a meeting without informing all the
council members. The only information I've recieved about this meeting was
this email.

I'm not sure how we can improve but our processes seems quite broken to me.


2013/3/28 Markus Glaser markus.gla...@wikimedia.de

 Dear WCA and friends,

 we have found a date for our next call. It will be on

 Friday, 29th of March @ 2 pm UTC

 You can find the details including the agenda and dial-in instructions
 here:

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_**
 Association/Meetings/2013-13http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-13

 Please add to the agenda, it's not closed yet. Unfortunately, I cannot
 post the phone room number publicly. So please feel free to contact me if
 you want to join in or if you have any other questions. Meeting minutes
 will be taken in real time on Etherpad:

 http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/**WCA http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/WCA

 Hope to hear and read you on Friday,
 Markus

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Hungary expanding

[Pierre-Selim]

Congrats!

It's an important step in structuring your chapter.

Sincerely,
Pierre-Selim

2013/3/22 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu

 Hi everyone,

 Wikimedia Hungary had rented its first office (33sqm or 350sq feet, good
 for meetings up to 20~25ppl) and hired its first full time (administrative)
 employee, so I'm happy to tell you, if you'll ever happen to be in or
 around Budapest, feel free to drop by in our
 office
 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1075+Budapest,+Mad%C3%A1ch+Imre+t%C3%A9r+4.hl=enie=UTF8ll=47.497648,19.057084spn=0.004147,0.004823hnear=1075+Budapest,+VII.+ker%C3%BClet,+Mad%C3%A1ch+Imre+t%C3%A9r+4gl=ent=hz=18iwloc=A
 
  :)

 (just don't forget to tell, if you're coming at out of office hours :P)

 cheers :)

 *Balazs Viczian*
 Executive Vice President
 *Wikimédia Magyarország*

 Tel: +36 70 633 6372
 Mail: balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
 Web: www.wikimedia.hu  Blog: Magyar Wikipédia Magazin
 http://huwiki.blogspot.hu
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Knowledge Foundation and Wikimedia Foundation

[Pierre-Selim]

+1 Fae,

I know for sure Wikimedia France has organized events with OKFN in France
(such as Public domain day event in 2012 and 2013). I'll drop a word a WMFR
lists.

2013/3/1 Fae fae...@gmail.com

 On 1 March 2013 12:08, Everton Zanella Alvarenga
 everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote:
  http://wiki.okfn.org/Open_Knowledge_Foundation_and_Wikimedia_Foundation
  Tom

 Good idea Tom. As it's a wiki, I have taken the initiative to move the
 page to http://wiki.okfn.org/Open_Knowledge_Foundation_and_Wikimedia,
 as based on the page introduction it appears to be intended to cover
 projects wider than partnerships directly with the Wikimedia
 Foundation. There are many other groups like the Wikimedia Chapters
 and the evolving Wikimedia thematic organizations, that act
 independently but are part of the Wikimedia community, and run all
 sorts of interesting open knowledge content projects, as well as
 lobbying for legal and government policy change to enable access to
 open knowledge.

 Cheers,
 Fae
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