Re: [WISPA] training
Hey Dee, There will be wireless training manuals available for download and customization on http://www.ispbuddy.com They will be available in the Tools section of the system. Go to the URL above and signup for the notification list. There are already several hundred ISP's and Satellite TV businesses registered and awaiting system details. Plus, once you're registered, you can send in feature requests which will be considered for development and addition to the system. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] training I really would like to see a simple wireless installation training manual. The local folks wnat $7K to produce one :-( -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com, WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:26:18 -0900 Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Consumers Sidelined as Broadband Battles Rage
Consumers Sidelined as Broadband Battles Rage By Martin H. Bosworth ConsumerAffairs.Com December 19, 2006 Anyone who's suffered through the high prices, bad customer service, and constant technical problems typical of many local cable company knows that competition is sorely needed in the realm of home entertainment. Big telecoms like ATT and Verizon are greedily rushing to the rescue with offers of triple play services that combine phone, Internet, and television into one package -- usually at prices lower than rival offerings from cable providers, at least at first. But the battle over broadband isn't quite as simple as introducing more competition, especially if the only two competitors are the same old local telephone and cable companies. Indeed, the challenge to deploy new high-speed entertainment packages is bogged down in politics on every level, and while cities, states, Congress, and corporations fight it out, consumers are on the sidelines. The Franchise Cable companies have traditionally negotiated franchises with every municipality they want to do business in, and jump through extensive regulatory hurdles to do so. The payoff for the cable companies has traditionally been unchallenged market dominance in their area, while the cities and counties shake money out of the cable providers to fund pet projects of every description. The telephone companies want to change all that. They're pushing to pass national video franchising laws, enabling them to bypass existing regulations and roll out new products in a much quicker fashion. You might call it one-stop lobbying. It was a key component of the massive updates to the Telecommunications Act that the Republican-led 109th Congress was pushing to pass before it adjourned. But that effort stalled over the issue of net neutrality, as technology and consumer advocates warned that telecom and cable companies would use the new franchise laws to cherry-pick the most affluent neighborhoods for service, leaving poorer communities with second-rate Internet and cable connections on the one hand while, on the other, using their control of the national data circuits to act as highway bandits extorting money from content providers. At least in theory, the incoming, Democratic-majority Congress looks to have much stronger support for net neutrality as a principle, and any rewrites of telecom law will take that into account. As a result, telecoms are shifting their negotiations directly to state governments, where they're finding much success. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger recently signed a bill that enabled Verizon to roll out new franchises across the state. The company lobbied very heavily for the bill, and is pushing for similar successes in other states looking for investment. The telecoms, it should be remembered, have more than a century of experience lobbying state government, since local phone companies were heavily regulated at the state level prior to Congress' giving itself a bigger seat the table with the Telecommunications Act of 1996. With many of its biggest Congressional supporters now out of power, it doesn't appear that making another run at federal legislation is the most practical course. Verizon Vice President Tom Tauke said recently. Commenting on the video franchise issue at the company's Poliblog, Tauke said that, Working through these issues in the federal legislative process requires a substantial commitment of resources, which could be better spent at the state and local levels. Not In My Backyard Another reason statewide video franchises are being pushed so hard is that local communities are proving troublesome. They're grown accustomed to being courted and paid handsomely by the cable companies, after all. Beyond that, cities and towns simply want at least some say in how corporations are going to deploy their broadband projects. A chief reason is property values -- in an age where the primary means of building income for most Americans is home equity, having unsightly utility boxes dotting yards is far from popular. Ars Technica's Nate Anderson documented the struggle between ATT and many Chicago suburbs over the deployment of ATT's U-Verse franchise. The town of Geneva wanted to regulate installation of ATT's boxes and get access to the company's full deployment plans for its service. ATT promptly sued on grounds that revealing those plans might expose them to competitors. It's a Catch-22 for companies like Verizon and ATT. They want to market their high-end Internet TV services and superfast broadband connections to wealthy neighborhoods, but building those services requires lots of construction and redevelopment, which can lead to increasingly ugly neighborhoods and irate homeowners. Playing Politics Even without legislation on the national level, the federal government is not letting the battle over video franchises shift to the
[WISPA] For Sale - 5/8 ldf
Is this where I would post this? -- You have a good day now,en mag jou more's ook so wees. Carl A Jeptha http://www.jeptha.com 905-349-2027 skype cajeptha -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
I have a ppt that I wrote for Matt, Jaime and I to present. We did it at one of the EC expos. Folks seemed to like it. It's a couple of years out of date but wouldn't take much to update. I think having three people that didn't always see eye to eye made this a great course to take. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Chadd, That is a Trango command and it does turn arp off. I have both worlds here - - bridged and routed and I have never had any of my TLink 10's to do that to me. I am not saying that's not your problem - I am just saying I have never had that issue. We have many more than 300 traversing Tlink10 backhauls today - - - What firmware are you running? Is there a certain time of the day things go awry? A certain temp? Is there a pps correlation? What is each Tlink plugged in to? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Mac, We tried that but it didn't totally resolve the issue. Chadd, I would guess it was around 100. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking for suggestions of other things I may/should be checking and or looking at. Thanks, Chadd -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] training
Hi Travis, I've been providing on-site training to the WISP and to the larger broadband wireless industry and have trained over 2000 people since 2001. Unfortunately I can't do it for free and stay in business any more than a WISP can provide service for free and stay in business. Please feel free to contact me off-list to discuss how I can help you with your specific needs. Best regards, jack Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
I couldn't post the one I was taught. Your version is much more PC. On 12/19/06, Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember that from school Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) Bell- Blue Operators-Orange Give-Green Bad- Brown Service- Slate While- White Running- Red Backwards- Black You- Yellow Vomit- Violet If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones with thousands of pairs... Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
RE: [WISPA] training
Marlon, I'd too be interested in seeing what you have. How about posting to the 'paid members' list? Cliff LeBoeuf www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:37 AM To: WISPA General List; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] training I have a ppt that I wrote for Matt, Jaime and I to present. We did it at one of the EC expos. Folks seemed to like it. It's a couple of years out of date but wouldn't take much to update. I think having three people that didn't always see eye to eye made this a great course to take. marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: [WISPA] training Hi, Does anyone have a simple wireless installation training manual already put together? We are finally to the point we need to have something for the new hires, but I want to see if anyone has something they want to share? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Like this? Bell-Blue Officicals-Orange Get-Green Big-Brown Salaries-Slate Why=White Run-Red Backwards-Black You-Yellow Varmint-Violet Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 1:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 I couldn't post the one I was taught. Your version is much more PC. On 12/19/06, Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember that from school Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Dougherty Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 5:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Easy way to remember the color code is (this is really old days) Bell- Blue Operators-Orange Give-Green Bad- Brown Service- Slate While- White Running- Red Backwards- Black You- Yellow Vomit- Violet If you can remember that you can break down any cable- even the big ones with thousands of pairs... Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Halsted Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 telecom 25 pair color code tip White Red Black Yellow Violet ring Blue Orange Green Brown Slate so it would look like this... w/bl - bl, w/o - o, w/g - g, w/br - br, w/sl - sl r/bl - bl, r/o - o, r/g - g, r/br - br, r/sl -sl bk/bl - bl, bk/o - o, bk/g -g, bk/br - br, bk/sl - sl y/bl - bl, ..etc..etc v/bl - bl, ..etc..etc It's been a while since I have seen a 25 pair Cat5 cable, don't know if the slate pair is in there or not, I know it is for 25 pair telecom feeders, but those are usually Cat3 rated. If not, then you simply ignore that pair. Anyhow, for larger count cables. Each 25 pair group should be wrapped with blue, orange, green, brown and slate colored binder string. The first 25 pair is blue, the next would be orange, then green, brown and slate accordingly. and then there are super groups... which is getting way off Topic. hehe On 12/18/06, Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006
[WISPA] Digital Cities Conference summary
W2i Philly: Competition Beneath the Collegiality As Wireless Business Begins to Mature Dec 14, 2006 By Joshua Breitbart http://www.govtech.net/digitalcommunities/story.php?id=102873story_pg=1 As the nascent municipal wireless industry has boomed in the last two years, there has been a sense that a rising tide was raising all of the boats. No longer. You could sense the competition beneath the collegiality at the Wireless Internet Institute's Digital Cities Convention, held December 5-6 in Philadelphia. Conference-goers scooped their lunch from the buffet at the center of the room -- deli meats, assorted pastas, chicken, fish, and pot roast. The vendors -- some hopeful, others expectant -- stuck to their booths lining the walls, eyeing their potential customers and each other. The folks from Firetide touting their 5 ghz surveillance network had their sample camera trained on the big spender across the room: Earthlink. Some of these guys are on their fourth or fifth round of venture capital funding, the Motorola rep told me from behind a laptop at his booth. That can't last. He predicted many of the companies with booths at the conference would be out of business within six months. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Marketing
EarthLink is giving away phone service so people can try it: http://www.whittierdailynews.com/business/ci_4834554 Why do you think car dealers let you have a test drive? I used to tell my DSL ISP's to put the fastest PC in the store hooked up to DSL and let poeple play with it. Once they see how fast it is they will move to it. The concept works with Wireless, Wi-Fi, and VoIP, too. -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ot, private chat
Marlon, We use Wildfire (server side) and Spark integrated into our Asterisk server for encrypted chat. It also has the ability to show your presence (availability) to whoever else you have in your buddy list. If you see someone in your list of active buddies - - all you have to do is click on their name and it will call them as well. This is cool stuff, open source and pretty easy to install as well its skin able to have your company logo on every client end (spark) IM'er. http://www.jivesoftware.com/products/spark/ Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot, private chat Ahhh, thanks. I'm NOT looking for anything like that. The last thing in the world that I'd want to do to my customers is route their traffic through anyone that we don't know. marlon - Original Message - From: Pete Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ot, private chat http://hamachi.cc has a an application with a private chat. That is a side feature in their product. The main app is a P2P VPN application that works actually very well. Everyone in your Hamachi group (up to 16 nodes in free version, 254 in the $40/yr version) can share files/printers and chat as if they were in the same physical LAN. A nice configuration-less VPN. The Nat/Nat Transversal trick: The Hamachi company (now owned by logmein.com) has the 5.0.0.0/8 subnet and every Hamachi user tunnels in and gets a 5.x.x.x IP address. The Hamachi software handles the encryption and authentication, and only uses the 5.x.x.x subnet for VPN'ing. Pete Davis NoDial.net Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, A few years back, there was a program called Blab-it. It was a private chat system. I have a couple of corporate customers that are interested in a Yahoo or MSN Messenger type application but they want it isolated to their own network (including remote offices) and they want better security. Anyone know of such a beast? I could probably handle something that rides on my server, but a system that would ride on the customer's server is what they are mostly after. thanks! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Well I did a bit of searching on the trango support forums and found a thread of someone with a similar problem. Trango support made a recommendation to turn off the maclist filter off on the RU. I went a head and turned it off on the RU's, telnet in and issue maclist filter off command. I did this last night sometime and have not had any issues as of yet. Since last week sometime I was having to reboot the BH's twice a day or more. I will see what happens with it and if this doesn't do it I will let you guys know. Funny thing about this is that about a week ago I was thinking to myself damn those link 10's have ran good the last few years. I was an early adopter of the link 10 and had nothing but issues with them for the first 6 months or so after release, I felt like a beta tester. Once they fixed software bugs though they have ran well, until now that is. Problems like this make you realize how quickly and unexpectedly things can take a crap on you with little or no changes to your network. Thanks again for the help. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, That is a Trango command and it does turn arp off. I have both worlds here - - bridged and routed and I have never had any of my TLink 10's to do that to me. I am not saying that's not your problem - I am just saying I have never had that issue. We have many more than 300 traversing Tlink10 backhauls today - - - What firmware are you running? Is there a certain time of the day things go awry? A certain temp? Is there a pps correlation? What is each Tlink plugged in to? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Mac, We tried that but it didn't totally resolve the issue. Chadd, I would guess it was around 100. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens, but I haven't tried to flush my ARP when I have the issue. Everything is currently and has been for 4 yrs bridged and it is getting to the point where I need to break down and start setting up routing at each of my POPs. I had thought it may be a bridge loop, but if that was the case I wouldn't think the segment would operate fine for a while after a Backhaul reboot. I am looking
RE: [WISPA] building out
Well said. It's fairly easy to sell once you are established. You can be a nice guy, people will take your calls and emails, and you don't have to push to get in front of people. Customers will also give you a 2nd chance when you make mistakes. Getting started is VERY difficult. You are unknown and you have to do the hard work of prospecting to get enough folks to talk to to try to build a territory. There are low-impact ways of doing this, but ultimately it comes down to cold calling/emailing (not bulk spam) to get your message out. It can take months or years to get past the point where you don't have to do this all the time. IMO, the people that can/and are willing to do this should be the highest paid folks in your organization. Getting doors shut in your face (figuratively and literally) on a regular basis is really hard on your attitude. You can have the greatest product in the world, but if you don't have someone to beat the street to sell it, you won't have a business. Just a salesman's point of view. :-) Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] building out snip Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. /snip Here's one thing to discuss -- selling vs order taking The conundrum of sales is that everyone LOVES to buy, but HATES being sold to When one goes in the mentality to try to sell something -- more often than not, one ends up more like the greasy car salesperson that leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] building out Dylan Oliver wrote: Hi Charles, Any tips on learning to sell? What's helped you the most? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
Can someone check this list, I commented on the post below twice yesterday and they have still not yet been delivered by the listserv. Happy Holidays to my fellow WISP's! Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:59 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] building out snip Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. /snip Here's one thing to discuss -- selling vs order taking The conundrum of sales is that everyone LOVES to buy, but HATES being sold to When one goes in the mentality to try to sell something -- more often than not, one ends up more like the greasy car salesperson that leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] building out Dylan Oliver wrote: Hi Charles, Any tips on learning to sell? What's helped you the most? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost
Chadd, It seems every time I have a thought about how good something is running it croaks :) Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 4:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Well I did a bit of searching on the trango support forums and found a thread of someone with a similar problem. Trango support made a recommendation to turn off the maclist filter off on the RU. I went a head and turned it off on the RU's, telnet in and issue maclist filter off command. I did this last night sometime and have not had any issues as of yet. Since last week sometime I was having to reboot the BH's twice a day or more. I will see what happens with it and if this doesn't do it I will let you guys know. Funny thing about this is that about a week ago I was thinking to myself damn those link 10's have ran good the last few years. I was an early adopter of the link 10 and had nothing but issues with them for the first 6 months or so after release, I felt like a beta tester. Once they fixed software bugs though they have ran well, until now that is. Problems like this make you realize how quickly and unexpectedly things can take a crap on you with little or no changes to your network. Thanks again for the help. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, That is a Trango command and it does turn arp off. I have both worlds here - - bridged and routed and I have never had any of my TLink 10's to do that to me. I am not saying that's not your problem - I am just saying I have never had that issue. We have many more than 300 traversing Tlink10 backhauls today - - - What firmware are you running? Is there a certain time of the day things go awry? A certain temp? Is there a pps correlation? What is each Tlink plugged in to? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 12:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Mac, We tried that but it didn't totally resolve the issue. Chadd, I would guess it was around 100. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost telnet: arp -bcast off Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Barber Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Chadd, We experienced similar issues when our network was entirely bridged. The root of the problem turned out to be the ARP table in the Trangos we were using as are primary BHs. Once the number of clients behind the Trangos exceeded a certain limit the ARP table gets corrupted. Trango does not have a fix for this issue. As a temporary fix you can set up a script to reset the ARP table in the Trangos on a regular basis. The command line for the 5800 and 5830 units is maclist reset. We have moved to a mostly routed network which has greatly reduced the number of MAC addresses seen by the Trangos. This fixed the problem. Todd Barber Skylink Broadband Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 970-454-9499 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chadd Thompson Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 4:00 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Strange network issues crosspost Sorry to cross post this guys but I am looking for suggestions and wasn't sure if everyone is on both lists. I have been having an intermittent problem the last few days. A few of my AP's and CPE's will stop responding. These are a mixture of brands, Trango, MT, Brilan, they are on different network segments, different frequencies. The strange thing that not all the radios on the segment will have problems only some, and even more odd is that an AP can stop responding but you can still access some of the CPE's associated with it and they will pass traffic fine. In any case a reboot of the backhaul that feeds each individual segment will bring them all back up again for a random amount of time. I have checked the BH links when things start going haywire and can't seem to find any issues, no oddball traffic, packets per second seem fine. Also my ARP tables seem to be fine when this happens,
Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
That is a good idea, but why not be proactive and let the FCC know the concerns you have NOW (call, email or fax) and ask how you can help in the litigation. I'm still not clear what this group is trying to really accomplish. I'll assume that anyone that filed the 477 has a potential right to be a co-defendant in this matter. You may also consult with your attorney as well. Frank Muto FSM Marketing Group, Inc. - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court That's a good view Tom. Until a decision is made one way or another, we probably shouldn't jump to conclusions. However, we should keep a keen eye for a comment period concerning this issue. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court I'm glad this is being taken to court. One of the reasons many WISPs don't file still (even though legally required to), is because they are afraid that the information will be shared with someone that will result in a negative effect, whether its the tax collector or competitors. Proving that this information can or can not be kept confidential will take a load off the mind of parties that are obligated to file. Hopefully, the FCC will be victorious and not need to disclose the information. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commission's brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC - Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] building out
Pac wireless has been getting my advertizing budget this past year. Them and lonnie. This is a part of my coverage area. not all our essid's have our name in them. It took a while before I realized I was making a mistake not having our name as part of the essid. http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/stumbler/ I found the best way to advertize was to put my name as close to the peoples as possible. It's working really well. I keep getting calls from people who can see us and connect but can't go anyplace. Ahh, so you want to use our service eh? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court
We too received that email. I was wondering if some of us ought to contact Michael A. Krasnow's office for further info and maybe air our concerns and the affect that releasing this data will have on future filing! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 10:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Form 477 Confidentiality Challenged in Court It looks as though the confidentiality of Form 477 information is being challenged in court. Anyone with further insight that has comments, they are appreciated. Our office received this document via email today. PUBLIC NOTICE Federal Communications Commission 445 12th St., S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554 News Media Information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 TTY 202 / 418-2555 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov ftp fcc gov DA 06-2534 December 15, 2006 Public Notice To Service Providers Who Filed FCC Form 477s With The Commission And Sought Confidential Treatment Of The Information Submitted This Public Notice notifies all filers who sought confidential treatment of their Form 477 information that the public release of this information is being sought. The following litigation is pending in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia: Center for Public Integrity v. Federal Communications Commission, Civil Action No. 06-1644 (RMC). Plaintiff initiated this action under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. § 552, as amended, seeking release of all FCC Form 477s filed with the Commission. The Wireline Competition Bureau previously denied plaintiff's FOIA request for these records, pursuant to FOIA exemption 4, because it found that the requested records contain commercially sensitive, competitive information and that release would cause harm to the entities that submitted the requested information. The plaintiff has filed for de novo review of its request by the U.S. District Court. The Commissions brief in this proceeding is due to be filed with the court on January 8, 2007. For further information, contact Michael A. Krasnow, Office of General Counsel, (202) 418- 7924. - FCC Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Live from Milpitas, Earthlink WiFi (so far not so good)
http://gigaom.com/2006/12/20/earthlink-sf-milpitas/ Getting residents to subscribe might be more difficult. I used the network on my laptop in a dozen different places around city hall, at shopping centers, and around main streets and found that the network was slow and the coverage was spotty. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Want a portable tower ?
How about you mail a pic to me? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Rick Smith wrote: I've got two of these, exactly the same. They're really stable. I've never measured them, but they say they go about 20' into the air. I am 6' and this one's about 2x over my head. I'd say around 15' or so, and there's still a lot to crank up on it. Got bored the other day, so I raised some Christmas lights :) They cost about $1k each, and about $250 to ship together to me from Texas, about 2 yrs ago. We never used 'em, as I never had the time / cash to get together a trailer to mount 'em to. Name me a price offlist, and I'll make a deal. They're both in perfect working condition. R No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.25/593 - Release Date: 12/19/2006 1:17 PM -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sales 101
Selling is actively working a process or plan to ink deals. It involves prospecting, answering objections, providing a value proposition, inking contracts. Charles is right about the used car sales attitude, but that isn't usually the issue. Usually the issue is that no one is selling... everyone is just taking the orders as they come in. That's like saying the guy at the post office is in sales... How many stamps do you want? Cold calling, door knocking, networking and prospecting are sales activities. Waiting by the phone is not :) Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com Charles Wu wrote: snip Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. /snip Here's one thing to discuss -- selling vs order taking The conundrum of sales is that everyone LOVES to buy, but HATES being sold to When one goes in the mentality to try to sell something -- more often than not, one ends up more like the greasy car salesperson that leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sales 101
The problem comes when you have too much business so you stop selling... and yes, it happens. We are in that phase right now... can't seem to hire people fast enough... and yet we haven't done any real sales for over a year... (currently have 84 wireless orders waiting to be installed... that's a full month with 5 full-time installers.) Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: Selling is actively working a process or plan to ink deals. It involves prospecting, answering objections, providing a value proposition, inking contracts. Charles is right about the used car sales attitude, but that isn't usually the issue. Usually the issue is that no one is selling... everyone is just taking the orders as they come in. That's like saying the guy at the post office is in sales... How many stamps do you want? Cold calling, door knocking, networking and prospecting are sales activities. Waiting by the phone is not :) Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com Charles Wu wrote: snip Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. /snip Here's one thing to discuss -- selling vs order taking The conundrum of sales is that everyone LOVES to buy, but HATES being sold to When one goes in the mentality to try to sell something -- more often than not, one ends up more like the greasy car salesperson that leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sales 101
Yes, Its all in how you present the sales offer weather one looks towards you as a used car salesman/saleswoman. I constantly tell salesman that if I would have known they were selling those particular items I would have been buying them. Then they say Well you should have asked Well that's their job IMO. Not to try to sell me but just inform me of their offerings. Postcard, catalog, etc. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] sales 101 Selling is actively working a process or plan to ink deals. It involves prospecting, answering objections, providing a value proposition, inking contracts. Charles is right about the used car sales attitude, but that isn't usually the issue. Usually the issue is that no one is selling... everyone is just taking the orders as they come in. That's like saying the guy at the post office is in sales... How many stamps do you want? Cold calling, door knocking, networking and prospecting are sales activities. Waiting by the phone is not :) Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com Charles Wu wrote: snip Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. /snip Here's one thing to discuss -- selling vs order taking The conundrum of sales is that everyone LOVES to buy, but HATES being sold to When one goes in the mentality to try to sell something -- more often than not, one ends up more like the greasy car salesperson that leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sales 101
- Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:58:21 -0900 Subject: Re: [WISPA] sales 101 The problem comes when you have too much business so you stop selling... and yes, it happens. We are in that phase right now... can't seem to hire people fast enough... and yet we haven't done any real sales for over a year... (currently have 84 wireless orders waiting to be installed... that's a full month with 5 full-time installers.) Travis Microserv Travis, It's a really good phase though, and it makes you look at temp's vs. employees which may not be a bad deal since the sales aren't up. -Dee Peter R. wrote: Selling is actively working a process or plan to ink deals. It involves prospecting, answering objections, providing a value proposition, inking contracts. Charles is right about the used car sales attitude, but that isn't usually the issue. Usually the issue is that no one is selling... everyone is just taking the orders as they come in. That's like saying the guy at the post office is in sales... How many stamps do you want? Cold calling, door knocking, networking and prospecting are sales activities. Waiting by the phone is not :) Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com Charles Wu wrote: snip Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. /snip Here's one thing to discuss -- selling vs order taking The conundrum of sales is that everyone LOVES to buy, but HATES being sold to When one goes in the mentality to try to sell something -- more often than not, one ends up more like the greasy car salesperson that leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] sales 101
Dang Travis - You need to let me send one of my installers up there. He can get 84 by himself in a month :-) I agree with what you are saying though as we haven't advertised in years and generally stay behind on the installs. I did buy some of those yard signs last month and put out advertising our service in several areas where we have had service for years and they did generate about 10x what I ever thought they would. Cheap stuff at $3.00 per sign w/stand Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] sales 101 The problem comes when you have too much business so you stop selling... and yes, it happens. We are in that phase right now... can't seem to hire people fast enough... and yet we haven't done any real sales for over a year... (currently have 84 wireless orders waiting to be installed... that's a full month with 5 full-time installers.) Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: Selling is actively working a process or plan to ink deals. It involves prospecting, answering objections, providing a value proposition, inking contracts. Charles is right about the used car sales attitude, but that isn't usually the issue. Usually the issue is that no one is selling... everyone is just taking the orders as they come in. That's like saying the guy at the post office is in sales... How many stamps do you want? Cold calling, door knocking, networking and prospecting are sales activities. Waiting by the phone is not :) Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. Marketing IDEA guy.com Charles Wu wrote: snip Profile your best clients. Pick out who you want your clients to be. Research them. Be in front of them. Sell them. /snip Here's one thing to discuss -- selling vs order taking The conundrum of sales is that everyone LOVES to buy, but HATES being sold to When one goes in the mentality to try to sell something -- more often than not, one ends up more like the greasy car salesperson that leaves a bad taste in someone's mouth -Charles -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
