Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Canada. Ontario specifically. We have a lot of overlap in equipment and bands, but very little overlap in regulatory affairs. 3.65 and 5.4 are the only areas that are somewhat similar that have come up for rulemaking recently (at least that I recall). TV whitespace is completely different, and we have access to 3.5 as a licensed band too. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing What country are you in George? marlon - Original Message - From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Amen. It would be a very handy thing to maintain that list of speedtest servers centrally somewhere, perhaps within WISPA. We don't belong to WISPA because its FCC centric which really doesn't help us much. Much of the dues go to getting the FCC to move in a given direction which isn't of much direct help for Canadian WISPs. If we had some services of this kind that were maintained by the WISPA team/members that would change my mind in a heartbeat. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list. They run speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will throttle you. Find those speedtest IPs and let em run. Perception is everything. Give them the perception they get that all the time. Mike At 12:25 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote: No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business of shared bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes back to proper ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make financial sense. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers when their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come in. I find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it can be delivered. BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an non-subsidized all you can eat service company in a competitive market that actually makes money (bottom line). On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple years, and even tested it for a bit. Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess. I, myself, being a fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an unlimited plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan. I have unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc. If I could pay for unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too! We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could activate it at anytime. We tried selling it about a year ago, and people just didn't understand the concept. People aren't used to it--most people got online when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and don't remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages. Nobody knows what ISDN with 300 hours is. We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo. This makes us the fastest in the area, and the cheapest. We have local sales, support and installations. We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we offer three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps. If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e. normal use) you'll always see the 12Mbps. But once you fire up a torrent or Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you get your guaranteed minimum. Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again going to 6Mbps. We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this structure. I'm hoping that the big guys do go to pay-per-use plans. Just one more way we can advertise and win against them. Tired of counting your bits and bytes? We're
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I would say that we are a little higher usage. I'll have to run the numbers, but for an example, my top user right now is pulling on average 5GB per day this month alone. The next 1% are 2-3G/Day and the next 2 or 3% are at the 1G/day mark. So definitely the top 5% are the big bandwidth hogs. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Here's some quick numbers off my network: for the last 8 days 71% of customers downloaded less than 1 GByte of Data. The top 10% all exceeded 2 GB The top 5% all exceeded 4.4 GB The top 1% exceeded 10 GB Marco On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:08 PM, George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca wrote: Amen. It would be a very handy thing to maintain that list of speedtest servers centrally somewhere, perhaps within WISPA. We don't belong to WISPA because its FCC centric which really doesn't help us much. Much of the dues go to getting the FCC to move in a given direction which isn't of much direct help for Canadian WISPs. If we had some services of this kind that were maintained by the WISPA team/members that would change my mind in a heartbeat. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing I have (hopefully) all the speedtest ips in the allow list. They run speedtest real fast, but download video for an hour and it will throttle you. Find those speedtest IPs and let em run. Perception is everything. Give them the perception they get that all the time. Mike At 12:25 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote: No, but they expect to get their speed every time they get on and they are great at running speed tests. I understand we are int he business of shared bandwidth but the equipment can only handle so much. It goes back to proper ratios. When you do the numbers properly, it doesnt make financial sense. On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers when their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come in. I find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it can be delivered. BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an non-subsidized all you can eat service company in a competitive market that actually makes money (bottom line). On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple years, and even tested it for a bit. Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess. I, myself, being a fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an unlimited plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan. I have unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc. If I could pay for unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too! We've got the infrastructure in place for a pay-per-use, and could activate it at anytime. We tried selling it about a year ago, and people just didn't understand the concept. People aren't used to it--most people got online when Internet was $19.95/mo for dialup (or, $22.95 for AOL!), and don't remember the 10 for $10 dial-up packages. Nobody knows what ISDN with 300 hours is. We currently offer 12Mbps service for $24.95/mo. This makes us the fastest in the area, and the cheapest. We have local sales, support and installations. We decided the way to win is to shape traffic--we offer three 12Mbps packages; one with a guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps. If you do nothing than browse, share pictures, etc. (i.e. normal use) you'll always see the 12Mbps. But once you fire up a torrent or Netflix, you only get that speed for 10 minutes--after that, you get your guaranteed minimum. Prices double from 1.5 to 4, and double again going to 6Mbps. We have never had a complaint about speed or price with this structure. I'm hoping that the big guys do go to pay-per-use plans. Just one more way we can advertise and win against them. Tired of counting your bits and bytes? We're unlimited Look at Cricket wireless--they've
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Good points... 1. Economy can go bad, and you could end up with a negative cash flow, however this is a lease over 12 months, your subs are putting $20 into your pocket, and $30 to pay a lease. We make people pay $150 for a 2 yr contract, $175 for a 1yr contract, $200 for no contract. This pays for the labor and potential early cancelation. From the start, you are making money. The 100 subs at $150 an install bring in an additional $15,000 in revenue. We would need 2 - 2 person crews (at $12.50/hr) to do 100 installs, which is roughly $8,000 in labor. That put's $7,000 into your pocket to build out. 2. Fork lift upgrade - Let's hope you aren't fork lift upgrading within 12 months... 3. Mass storm = Insurance Claim. Now, I'm not reaching this model 100%, but I am having troubles finding issues with this gameplan. I have found a few leasing companies that will lease to us at 3-5%. It just kind of makes sense at this rate, while at 5-10% I would question it, and at 10-20% (Agility) I probably would stay away from it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it? Normally, I'd choose door #2. In addition, the lease payment is full tax deduction. I like many aspects of leasing. But, you better have a good business plan because if you lose subs or service pricing goes down you could be caught in an negative cash flow very quickly. Also, what if you need to forklift upgrade before the lease is up? Or you have a mass amount of equipment go bad because of something like a lightning storm? Depending on where things are with the company and the economy debt free may be best at the time. Not arguing, just asking :) -RickG On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Let me ask you this though... Would you rather 1) Buy $5,000 worth of Canopy equipment per month at 25 installs per month (new $1,250 in revenue at $50/mth) - Or - 2) Obtain a lease at $3,000 per month for 100 installs per month ($5,000 in revenue at $50/mth). Essentially, you are putting $2k in the bank after paying $3k on the lease for 12 months then $5,000 per month after that. Take this as being done over 2 years. Option 1 has 600 customers paying $50 per month at $30k per month and is debt free. After two years, if you were to attempt to value your company at $500-600 per sub, your company is worth 360k. Option 2 has 2400 customers paying $50 per month at $120k per month and is in debt (based on a rotating amortization schedule) in debt only $110k (doing it in my head, it's approximate). After two years, if you were to attempt to value your company at $500-600 per sub, your company is worth $1.2 Million with a debt of $110k net $1.1 Million. These are based on $50 per month averages, some of you are more, some of you are less. I learned this lesson from a friend of mine who told me the local cable co. is leasing every piece of equipment that goes to a customer. That way they are never operating on negative cashflow while maximizing available customers. Before I started leasing, I was Option 1. After leasing, our available cash has increased greatly offering many company benefits, like increasing our footprint, new vehicles, etc. We pay for about half our monthly equipment by leasing. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it? Oh heck no. My balance sheet looks awesome; no debt; positive cash flow. Mike At 03:56 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote: Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you dont own the CPE? On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: You don't have to pay property tax on the CPE. You don't have to go pick up the device if the customer quits. You can charge the customer for replacement radios. You can offer a value add-on product such as modem insurance. Regards Michael Baird I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownership as part of the service. That was mostly due to the high cost of CPE in the past. With the advent of lower CPE cost, I'm considering changing that to where the customer buys their own CPE. I'd like to hear the pros and cons to this strategy. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
But see that is the point Travis. I would have no problem with a client with 5 computers paying me $165 /month for unlimited service. But the customers want to download 65Gb a month for $39.99. Shoot at my office I have a well and Pump so I get free water. It cost $6,000.00 to put it in. But since I am on city sewer I had to put a meter on MY well to pay for the amount of water dumped into their sewer. NOTHING IS FREE and UNLIMITED here. I pay for metered electric, gas, phone, sewer, and backhaul from my provider. I expect it, why shouldn't my customers. I will be going to Metered billing for overages as stipulated in my AUP. I am just having a problem determining what will be my Limit per package. Like my $39.99 gets 10 Gig and my $59.99 package gets 20 Gig and a Unlimited Package for $89. I don't know what is Fair(yet). Verizon Wireless in our area gives 5 Gb/month and $.10 Mb for overages. That's $102 per Gig I was thinking more like $10/gig overage. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Wow... Verizon is screwing you... my family has 5 lines, 1200 minutes shared (national with carryover), unlimited text mesages and pics and I pay $165 per month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.). That's with ATT even. Travis Microserv Mike wrote: There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all the time if that's what they perceive they are paying for. This thread is making me think through some of the cob webs which are rising uses on ALL of our networks. Christmas is coming, so are new game consoles. I constantly look at my Verizon bill and try to figure out how to trim it; I can't. Four phones, national plan, unlimited texting/pictures, 1200 shared minutes; we pay about $240.00 per month, or about $60.00 per phone. I view that as obscene, but also feel somewhat trapped. Verizon, ex-Alltel, ex-GTE, has the best network between Iowa and Florida where my phones reside. We've weaned ourselves away from the local rapacious monopolist -- Iowa Telecom -- but still throw money at Verizon and Dish network every month. If I wasn't a Hawkeye fan, I'd toss Dish out too, but I can't get the Big 10 network over-the-air. My point is, as far as communications costs go, Internet, if we were a customer instead of the vendor, would be a small portion of total monthly costs. Maybe it is time to rethink the whole paradigm. Except, if I make a bold move, competition would have to do the same thing, or I'd lose customers. I tried a tiered service once. My basic contract says 512 kbps. I let them burst to 2 or 4 M, whatever the pipe will let them do at the moment. If they have a persistent connection, and the pipe gets congested, I throttle them back by delaying packets. When I tried to sell tiered service with escalating minimum guarantees, I had few takers. Most of my customers are rural, unsophisticated, and bursty users. The business customers pay more and expect that to be the case. There seems to be a pain threshold of $45.00 for rural residential users. Mike At 08:45 AM 11/8/2009, you wrote: Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers when their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come in. I find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it can be delivered. BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an non-subsidized all you can eat service company in a competitive market that actually makes money (bottom line). On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.commailto:jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Ya know, we've looked at this many times over the past couple years, and even tested it for a bit. Fact is, people like unlimited, and not having to guess. I, myself, being a fairly lite user of the Internet, would still always opt for an unlimited plan--even if I knew my bill may be lower on a pay-per-use plan. I have unlimited cell phone minutes, txt messages, etc. If I could pay for unlimited utilites, I'd certainly do that too! We've got the infrastructure
[WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I would say that pricing is fair. But I think on your website it should say Unlimited* Note the asterisk. If your using that 10Mb/s all day long 24/7, then that is dedicated bandwidth and you'll be charged accordingly. There is a data center in orlando, and on there dedicated servers you get like 2tb a month, with a $75/mb overage fee :| Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing But see that is the point Travis. I would have no problem with a client with 5 computers paying me $165 /month for unlimited service. But the customers want to download 65Gb a month for $39.99. Shoot at my office I have a well and Pump so I get free water. It cost $6,000.00 to put it in. But since I am on city sewer I had to put a meter on MY well to pay for the amount of water dumped into their sewer. NOTHING IS FREE and UNLIMITED here. I pay for metered electric, gas, phone, sewer, and backhaul from my provider. I expect it, why shouldn't my customers. I will be going to Metered billing for overages as stipulated in my AUP. I am just having a problem determining what will be my Limit per package. Like my $39.99 gets 10 Gig and my $59.99 package gets 20 Gig and a Unlimited Package for $89. I don't know what is Fair(yet). Verizon Wireless in our area gives 5 Gb/month and $.10 Mb for overages. That's $102 per Gig I was thinking more like $10/gig overage. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Wow... Verizon is screwing you... my family has 5 lines, 1200 minutes shared (national with carryover), unlimited text mesages and pics and I pay $165 per month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.). That's with ATT even. Travis Microserv Mike wrote: There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all the time if that's what they perceive they are paying for. This thread is making me think through some of the cob webs which are rising uses on ALL of our networks. Christmas is coming, so are new game consoles. I constantly look at my Verizon bill and try to figure out how to trim it; I can't. Four phones, national plan, unlimited texting/pictures, 1200 shared minutes; we pay about $240.00 per month, or about $60.00 per phone. I view that as obscene, but also feel somewhat trapped. Verizon, ex-Alltel, ex-GTE, has the best network between Iowa and Florida where my phones reside. We've weaned ourselves away from the local rapacious monopolist -- Iowa Telecom -- but still throw money at Verizon and Dish network every month. If I wasn't a Hawkeye fan, I'd toss Dish out too, but I can't get the Big 10 network over-the-air. My point is, as far as communications costs go, Internet, if we were a customer instead of the vendor, would be a small portion of total monthly costs. Maybe it is time to rethink the whole paradigm. Except, if I make a bold move, competition would have to do the same thing, or I'd lose customers. I tried a tiered service once. My basic contract says 512 kbps. I let them burst to 2 or 4 M, whatever the pipe will let them do at the moment. If they have a persistent connection, and the pipe gets congested, I throttle them back by delaying packets. When I tried to sell tiered service with escalating minimum guarantees, I had few takers. Most of my customers are rural, unsophisticated, and bursty users. The business customers pay more and expect that to be the case. There seems to be a pain threshold of $45.00 for rural residential users. Mike At 08:45 AM 11/8/2009, you wrote: Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers when their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come in. I find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it can be delivered. BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an non-subsidized all you can eat service company in a competitive market that actually makes money (bottom line). On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
We own the CPE radio in 95% of our installs and the router in probably 80%. Nobody wants finger pointing when things stop working. If we think it's the CPE causing an outage, we just replace it no questions asked, no fussing over who's fault it or coordinating amongst the customer and their hired techs. Our customers can replace our routers with their own or specify they don't need a router, but we can only provide the settings they need and it limits the extent of the tech support we can provide if we can't ping their router, etc... For instance if a customer has voip with us and uses our provided router, we can log into the router remotely, setup a port forward, login into their ATA if needed. We have a few seasonal customers that chose to own their own radio so they wouldn't have an off-season fee to pay. They bought them from us, we configured and installed them just like any other customer's radio. If the radio dies, they can either pony up for a new one, or sign a new contract with us where we own the radio, and we typically try to upgrade them to a newer technology if one is available. If they upgrade or leave, we let them know their purchased radio is useless unless they bring it for a factory reset or let us reset it remotely before they take it down. If someone wants WIFI AP in their house, we encourage them to do it without us. We did it for a while, and tech support is a nightmare with all the laptop drivers and different wifi products, coverage problems, OS problems, etc... Customers can not differentiate between less than ideal internal wifi and their wireless broadband fixed service. On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 03:24:27PM -0500, RickG wrote: I've always provided the CPE to the end user and retained ownership as part of the service. That was mostly due to the high cost of CPE in the past. With the advent of lower CPE cost, I'm considering changing that to where the customer buys their own CPE. I'd like to hear the pros and cons to this strategy. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
1/2 PVC conduit to run the Wire in. Pretty Cheep. Charge the customer $5. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
Your local feed and grain or pet store should have aerosol dog repellent. Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
Charge them accordingly. Let the customer feel the pain of having the cable replaced. Maybe that will motivate the dog owner to take care of the problem himself. - Original Message From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:13:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
Never have found a repellant that work when a Dog has decided he likes the taste or feel the 18Vdc shock gets him. I even tried Pepper sauce and Mace on one. No Joy. Three answers: 1. Cover it with conduit. 2. Move the run out of the reach. 3. Shoot the Dog. Most people prefer option 1 or 2. But enough charges for replacing cable, 3 becomes and option. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 Your local feed and grain or pet store should have aerosol dog repellent. Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
I've only seen hulu use about 2mb/s max. Netflix I've heard will pull what you got, The more tubes the better the video it streams. When I watch hulu I see port 1935 a lot (i think its 1935) Looks like its time for some QoS, Which might not help much, normally it is good for making the videos load faster. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
1) put it high enough the dog(s) can't reach 2) bury it with a piece of sheet metal over it so they can't chew 3) 45 ACP (not a head shot) Mike At 09:13 AM 11/9/2009, you wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
On my PC Netflix and Hulu are 80/tcp. Onmy Xbox Netflix is 80/tcp. Doing a good 8 megs on Extreme Gadgets from the History Channel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.comwrote: I've only seen hulu use about 2mb/s max. Netflix I've heard will pull what you got, The more tubes the better the video it streams. When I watch hulu I see port 1935 a lot (i think its 1935) Looks like its time for some QoS, Which might not help much, normally it is good for making the videos load faster. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
Put it up where the dog can't reach it. Put it in conduit. Bill the customer for the replacement cable. Any of the above seems to work well out here :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 7:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
In cases like this I would always charge them to replace the cable, then try to push them to let me re-run the cable on the house so the dog didn't have access to it. I might be on site longer... but I'll get more money for the work and hopefully not have to go back again Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 Never have found a repellant that work when a Dog has decided he likes the taste or feel the 18Vdc shock gets him. I even tried Pepper sauce and Mace on one. No Joy. Three answers: 1. Cover it with conduit. 2. Move the run out of the reach. 3. Shoot the Dog. Most people prefer option 1 or 2. But enough charges for replacing cable, 3 becomes and option. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 Your local feed and grain or pet store should have aerosol dog repellent. Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed out the fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could get it at my house 20 miles away. The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this you cannot just roll your own Middleware handles billing, authentication, licenses, guide, etc. Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to be another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think you'll be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about HBO. You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road before to negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away from Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, you pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their headend, their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about that is it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are already used to. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
NetFlix has a dynamic codec and bandwidth sensor. I have a few customers that stream. They all have asked why it starts out nice and slowly starts to look worse. I explain that they start out at 10mbit and lose X% bandwidth over Y Time till they are at the 2mb account they have paid for. One upgraded and they others have not. They all signed up before I did bit billing so they have not been hit with a insane bill, yet. Nick Olsen wrote: I've only seen hulu use about 2mb/s max. Netflix I've heard will pull what you got, The more tubes the better the video it streams. When I watch hulu I see port 1935 a lot (i think its 1935) Looks like its time for some QoS, Which might not help much, normally it is good for making the videos load faster. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Anyone used Vudu? Vudu gave us one a long time ago to demo. Pretty nice system. It works on a P2P method. We found that it's a good idea to throttle the outbound to 128Kbps, or it'll use as much as it wants all day long. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: On my PC Netflix and Hulu are 80/tcp. Onmy Xbox Netflix is 80/tcp. Doing a good 8 megs on Extreme Gadgets from the History Channel. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I've only seen hulu use about 2mb/s max. Netflix I've heard will pull what you got, The more tubes the better the video it streams. When I watch hulu I see port 1935 a lot (i think its 1935) Looks like its time for some QoS, Which might not help much, normally it is good for making the videos load faster. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
The best option is create your own local content no license fees. This means everything the local TV station has with no FCC license. Probably only doable with a big cash reserve you pulled out of the stock market. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
We receive several a day. I send a standard copyright infringement notice letter via email to the customer specifying they have seven days to respond, and I also post notes on their account about this warning and what it was actually for. The customer is supposed to respond to us within 7 days to tell us how they are resolving this AUP violation, and that is to be noted on their account. If we get another one and see that they haven't responded to the first one, then we will take a look at the customers history and either call them, or suspend the account. Regards Michael Baird We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
You can fight it or you can comply with it. When we get such notices (and we do get them fairly often), we contact the customer and ask them to remove the Licensed Content, and or shutdown the Peer-to-peer sharing they are running on their system. In 95% of the cases, Our customer of Record, is not aware of such a service running, it is one of their kids running it, and have no problems in removing content and or shutting down the bit torrent service. In rare cases, when the person is aware of what they are doing, we inform them of our AUP policies, and tell them they need to take Licensed content off line from public access. Which is good for them and also for us, (administratively) and our network. Have not had anything escalate neither with the Customer nor the Folks who are sending us the DCMA notices. If you choose to Fight or Ignore, then you have to be prepared to deal with the possible escalations of legal proceedings. We officially take the attitude that a sub $50/month customer is not worth our admin staff spending hours of their time fighting over who is right and who is wrong... Your stance, opinion and mileage may vary ! Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wind Load 60cm (2') Parabolic Dish
Anyone have a breakdown on this somewhere? Showing wind load at various wind speeds? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Jayson Baker wrote: Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless I can find a 'prepackaged' setup with more. We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed out the fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could get it at my house 20 miles away. The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this you cannot just roll your own Middleware handles billing, authentication, licenses, guide, etc. I must be missing something. It seams to me that billing and authentication are simple and can be handled by the system that I pretty much have in place now. I am not sure what licenses such software would need to deal with. A guide is pretty easy too, unless there is some form of 'Intellectual Property' BS going on with rolling your own guide capabilities. Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to be another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think you'll be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about HBO. You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road before to negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away from Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. Yea thats what I figured. Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, you pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their headend, their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about that is it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are already used to. What I have looked into with them is they have a may not cross public right of way clause making is useless for anything except MDU's, or is that only with dish network label setups? Will check it out. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam to be a whole lot of options. I can A) build my own IP headend B) nada . I can not find a single IPTV provider that truly caters to the resident, soho, etc. There is one that does so for huge cable op's but thats not where I am at, yet =) I can build my own head end no problem. Licensing is the primary issues there. I am guessing that is what is stopping the explosion of retail IPTV and instead pushing the more a la carte IP video streamers like NetFlix, HuLu, et al. So, what options exist for IPTV ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] Service Lead
If anyone can service this address, here is a lead Address 6305 East Elven Mile Road Warren MI 48092 Name Chris Salyers Email ch...@brightlineit.commailto:ch...@brightlineit.com Phone 248-390-8049 [cid:image001.gif@01CA6122.E96E6930] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 inline: image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPTV -- Anyone doing it?
Echostar's IPTV product is different from DISH Network's wholesale/resellable service. DISH cannot cross ROW's. Echo IPTV can, it was designed to do just that. Middleware was something I wasn't too heavily involved in, to be honest with you. But I do know your IPTV STB won't run without it. Take a look at Minerva - great middleware. You must use an approved middleware to get hooked up with the big boys like Disney -- they want to ensure that only people you sell their picture to are able to get it (i.e. encrypted, with a middleware controlling encryption and access). etc. etc. etc. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:56 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Jayson Baker wrote: Building the headend isn't that difficult, you're right. Ours was actually pretty simple. We used multi-channel satellite receivers; each tuned 32 channels I think. It had an ASI output. Thats more channels then I am even really looking to start will, unless I can find a 'prepackaged' setup with more. We'd take the ASI stream, and run it into an ASI-input PCI card. Each card took 4 ASI streams, and was about $1000 each. Linux software on the server pulled each channel out of the ASI and converted it to MPEG 4. Cheap, easy, simple. They'd put out a multicast stream, which our network took and pushed out the fiber ring. We even had it going down some wireless links, so I could get it at my house 20 miles away. The money in the headend comes in when you by the middleware -- this you cannot just roll your own Middleware handles billing, authentication, licenses, guide, etc. I must be missing something. It seams to me that billing and authentication are simple and can be handled by the system that I pretty much have in place now. I am not sure what licenses such software would need to deal with. A guide is pretty easy too, unless there is some form of 'Intellectual Property' BS going on with rolling your own guide capabilities. Making deals with companies to rebroadcast their channels is going to be another major hurdle. Unless you are big (i.e. have $$$) don't think you'll be carrying anything in the Disney/ESPN/ABC family. And forget about HBO. You'll need a fancy (i.e. $$$) lawyer who has been down this road before to negotiate these deals. When we set ours up, we hired a lawyer away from Comcast. After everything was in place, he went on to other things. Yea thats what I figured. Echostar has an IPTV solution, you may want to look into that. AFAIK, you pay them for everything, and they handle it all. Their feed, their headend, their encoders, their middleware, their STB's. One nice thing about that is it's the same DISH Network interface a lot of satellite users are already used to. What I have looked into with them is they have a may not cross public right of way clause making is useless for anything except MDU's, or is that only with dish network label setups? Will check it out. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:16 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Thats the problem, if I had 50K sitting around for gear, I would not be putting it into TV (well, maybe I would be, but more BW, more towers, faster clients, etc come to mind sooner). I can build a head end for far far less then that, If I stuck to the free channels or made my won deals with each channel. There are 1000's (well, close) of free to air channels out there. Some even give explicit permission to rebroadcast the channel, as long as you notify them etc. I was hoping to find a place that would let me purchase channels X, Y, and Z, etc. The locals are easy enough to deal with. So, Looks like I will need to do my own head end, no biggie over all. Who do I talk to about licensing? I knwo some channels are direct, some are not. Is there a list? And, can a person who already has a license sub-license to me? Like MDU style? I know Charter does that, if you have enough people (IE I suspect enough money) If I could sublet off of a existing licensee and do my own IP transport, that would work out pretty well. Anyone have a license contract they can share? (most seam to have some NDA stuffs) can...@believewireless.net wrote: When we looked into Avail Media, it was a $500,000 investment to start if I remember correctly. (Headend, set top boxes, etc.) On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Have a look at Avail Media. We used them in the past for an FTTH project I was involved in. They will provide you the headend, and satellite feeds from their super-headend (aggregator). They work with the networks and it makes licensing and such a little easier. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:44 AM, jree...@18-30chat.net jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: I have been looking at some IPTV options and basically, there does not seam
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
I agree with Chuck H. Do not give them ANY information regarding your customer without a subpoena. You could take the route of one ISP... (I cannot find the article) ... they charge the studio for research time for each notice they get. The notices stopped coming in so fast when the bills went out! ryan On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Our steps on these DMCA violations... First time we email the customer - no service interruption... Second time we disable their CPE and requires a phone call with us to advise them of the complaint before we re-enable their service. Third time we require a signed statement faxed or mailed in to us before re-enabling their CPE from the customer stating they have received the DMCA complaint and will not continue to violate our AUP... Fourth time around their service is disconnected and the address is black listed. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I agree with Chuck H. Do not give them ANY information regarding your customer without a subpoena. You could take the route of one ISP... (I cannot find the article) ... they charge the studio for research time for each notice they get. The notices stopped coming in so fast when the bills went out! ryan On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
On a couple of occasions, I picked up the phone and had a conversation with the folks on the other side who are monitoring and sending these notices... They are just looking for the content to be taken off line... And the sharing to stop They are not looking for more information nor a 'fight'. But threaten to do so if the NSP wants to. Once you have the customer remove the licensed content You will not be bothered anymore ! Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
I usually see the odd network traffic before I get a notice. I had one family that was hogging a sector so I had my wife call them to advise them of odd network activity... I service mostly Microsoft-ies in my area It was the teenager.. Poor kid. Turns out his dad is the Group Program Manager for Microsoft's DRM group... Whoops. I guess he was grounded from the Internet for 3 months. ryan On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:23 AM, AJ aj.grant...@gmail.com wrote: Our steps on these DMCA violations... First time we email the customer - no service interruption... Second time we disable their CPE and requires a phone call with us to advise them of the complaint before we re-enable their service. Third time we require a signed statement faxed or mailed in to us before re-enabling their CPE from the customer stating they have received the DMCA complaint and will not continue to violate our AUP... Fourth time around their service is disconnected and the address is black listed. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: I agree with Chuck H. Do not give them ANY information regarding your customer without a subpoena. You could take the route of one ISP... (I cannot find the article) ... they charge the studio for research time for each notice they get. The notices stopped coming in so fast when the bills went out! ryan On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Or just block the port, lol. - Original Message From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:26:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
You know that would actually work. If people can get to Hulu.com and the videos have problems they would think Hulu is having a problem - not you. After a few days of it working at the office and not working at home, though, they may get curious. I also believe that Hulu's flash player would come up with a complaint saying it couldn't connect. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: Or just block the port, lol. - Original Message From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:26:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
thanks on the Hulu ports.now to figure out how to limit Netflix - Original Message From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:32:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Just confirmed with torch. Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Why block the port, just limit the ip/port to say 35 to 50 pps. He still gets Hulu, and no real impact on your system. Win win -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:57 AM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. You know that would actually work. If people can get to Hulu.com and the videos have problems they would think Hulu is having a problem - not you. After a few days of it working at the office and not working at home, though, they may get curious. I also believe that Hulu's flash player would come up with a complaint saying it couldn't connect. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: Or just block the port, lol. - Original Message From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:26:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
I charge $85 per service call... After 2, they shoot their own dog! Marco On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
Been discussed before on the list. Basic break down. Netflix exists on pc, mac, xbox, many blue-ray players, some new tv's even and soon also on ps3 and possible even Wii. Standard content from netflix consumes around 2Mbit while their hd can eat up 3-3.5Mbit this is average throughput speeds and they use a buffering technique that causes it to consume as much as it can it seems (well at least 5-6mbit for a period then nothing for a shorter period depending on the device buffering capability). What to do about it well from my assumption of things where you have 2 clients that causes slowness on a 20Mbit pipe your not bandwidth shaping them at all. That would. Be the first step to prevent them to use all available bandwidth. Second I would allow bursting to higher speed but limit long term downloads. In my experience netflix on a blueray player at least will burst for about 20-30sec then do nothing for 10-15sec (I do assume that with higher bandwidth available to it the burst period would be shorter in my testing and usage I only have about 5Mbit available to me. So the bursting needs to be setup in a manner that takes this into account (probably look at a 90-120 second average). Thirdly ensure you have enough throughput capabilities on your network to allow someone to view netflix because you cannot change the bandwidth requirement to do netflix. One thing here is Netflix senses the throughput capabilities and have numerous quality levels of their video feed that requires lower throughput but if there is available enough for full hd quality as they call it, it will eat up about 3-3.5Mbps 5min average. Speeds lower then about 500kbps makes their lowest quality format need to stop and buffer. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Joe Miller Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Sent: Nov 9, 2009 09:16 Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Gerard and I used to work pretty closely with MediaSentry, pre-ISP days, and I had written quite a few programs for them. It was interesting to see Notices being generated based on the programs I was involved in still being used today. It's all automatic, the studios pay millions to these guys, and they take a few cases to make examples out of people. Mostly, even if you threw it in the trash and did nothing, you will not even get a follow-up. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement On a couple of occasions, I picked up the phone and had a conversation with the folks on the other side who are monitoring and sending these notices... They are just looking for the content to be taken off line... And the sharing to stop They are not looking for more information nor a 'fight'. But threaten to do so if the NSP wants to. Once you have the customer remove the licensed content You will not be bothered anymore ! Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
I did that. I put that port on a low que so it doesn't create too much of a problem - Original Message From: Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 1:08:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Why block the port, just limit the ip/port to say 35 to 50 pps. He still gets Hulu, and no real impact on your system. Win win -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:57 AM To: Joe Miller; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. You know that would actually work. If people can get to Hulu.com and the videos have problems they would think Hulu is having a problem - not you. After a few days of it working at the office and not working at home, though, they may get curious. I also believe that Hulu's flash player would come up with a complaint saying it couldn't connect. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Joe Miller joemiller...@yahoo.com wrote: Or just block the port, lol. - Original Message From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 12:26:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is Macromedia Flash port. They use primarily TCP. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor priority than other traffic. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Orinoco 4000 help request
I have a customer that wants to talk to someone who has set up an Orinco 4000m series mesh radios for their warehouse. If you have please hit me off-list at forbes.me...@wabroadband.com thanks winmail.dat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wireless Without Limits Conference- Miami
Frank and I are on the ship now. See the rest of you tonight, I guess Ralph Brightlan.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
1. Wow, 12 months! Now thats a winner! 2. While probably not a forklift upgrade, I can see a major upgrade coming in 2010. 3. If it was really bad, I'd claim it on insurance but I woudl hate to because your rates will go up. I'm more concerned lightning strikes that take out a few dozen every few weeks during spring/summer. I'm sure others will chime in with good thoughts... -RickG On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:37 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Good points... 1. Economy can go bad, and you could end up with a negative cash flow, however this is a lease over 12 months, your subs are putting $20 into your pocket, and $30 to pay a lease. We make people pay $150 for a 2 yr contract, $175 for a 1yr contract, $200 for no contract. This pays for the labor and potential early cancelation. From the start, you are making money. The 100 subs at $150 an install bring in an additional $15,000 in revenue. We would need 2 - 2 person crews (at $12.50/hr) to do 100 installs, which is roughly $8,000 in labor. That put's $7,000 into your pocket to build out. 2. Fork lift upgrade - Let's hope you aren't fork lift upgrading within 12 months... 3. Mass storm = Insurance Claim. Now, I'm not reaching this model 100%, but I am having troubles finding issues with this gameplan. I have found a few leasing companies that will lease to us at 3-5%. It just kind of makes sense at this rate, while at 5-10% I would question it, and at 10-20% (Agility) I probably would stay away from it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it? Normally, I'd choose door #2. In addition, the lease payment is full tax deduction. I like many aspects of leasing. But, you better have a good business plan because if you lose subs or service pricing goes down you could be caught in an negative cash flow very quickly. Also, what if you need to forklift upgrade before the lease is up? Or you have a mass amount of equipment go bad because of something like a lightning storm? Depending on where things are with the company and the economy debt free may be best at the time. Not arguing, just asking :) -RickG On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Let me ask you this though... Would you rather 1) Buy $5,000 worth of Canopy equipment per month at 25 installs per month (new $1,250 in revenue at $50/mth) - Or - 2) Obtain a lease at $3,000 per month for 100 installs per month ($5,000 in revenue at $50/mth). Essentially, you are putting $2k in the bank after paying $3k on the lease for 12 months then $5,000 per month after that. Take this as being done over 2 years. Option 1 has 600 customers paying $50 per month at $30k per month and is debt free. After two years, if you were to attempt to value your company at $500-600 per sub, your company is worth 360k. Option 2 has 2400 customers paying $50 per month at $120k per month and is in debt (based on a rotating amortization schedule) in debt only $110k (doing it in my head, it's approximate). After two years, if you were to attempt to value your company at $500-600 per sub, your company is worth $1.2 Million with a debt of $110k net $1.1 Million. These are based on $50 per month averages, some of you are more, some of you are less. I learned this lesson from a friend of mine who told me the local cable co. is leasing every piece of equipment that goes to a customer. That way they are never operating on negative cashflow while maximizing available customers. Before I started leasing, I was Option 1. After leasing, our available cash has increased greatly offering many company benefits, like increasing our footprint, new vehicles, etc. We pay for about half our monthly equipment by leasing. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it? Oh heck no. My balance sheet looks awesome; no debt; positive cash flow. Mike At 03:56 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote: Do you feel it has a negative affect on your companies value if you dont own the CPE? On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: You don't have to pay property tax on the CPE. You don't have to go pick up the device if the customer quits. You can charge the customer for replacement radios. You can offer a value add-on product such as modem insurance. Regards
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
Yes, conduit. Thats what I do. -RickG On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: 1/2 PVC conduit to run the Wire in. Pretty Cheep. Charge the customer $5. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:14 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wind Load 60cm (2') Parabolic Dish
If you go to www.radiowavesinc.com they have detailed windload specsheets for their parabolic dishes. http://www.radiowavesinc.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi/Technical+Stuff/Antenna+Patterns http://www.radiowavesinc.com/patterns/Parabolic%20Antennas%20Windloading.pdf But it could be a bit different dependant on the Dish. Radomes make a huge difference. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ed Spoon - Computer Sales Services, Inc. ed.sp...@cssla.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] Wind Load 60cm (2') Parabolic Dish Anyone have a breakdown on this somewhere? Showing wind load at various wind speeds? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
When I setup metering for the colo I used to work for we bought in $15k in overages a month. It was great! Ryan On Nov 7, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: With the proper setup the network complexity does not change. Why would I want to give up additional revenue? Travis Johnson wrote: 10% of your customers will use 90% of your resources. Direct that 10% customer base to cable or DSL and stop worrying about adding complexity to your network. Travis Microserv Chuck Profito wrote: Marlon does this and smiles every time he signs a Bandwidth Hog! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they get charged the overage. Netflix is getting out of control and I don't want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally. I think they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new applications. I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding the network. Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your customers responses? What are your tiers? Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy? We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the letter saying we are doing it and why. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.53/2486 - Release Date: 11/07/09 07:38:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
It should be noted that if you buy CPE and keep ownership of CPE, you are likely open to pay Property Tax on it. In MD that equates to about 3% x 4 years. As well if you own it, it is not covered by the customer's home owner insurance if stolen or damaged by weather or other acts of god. (Not that Customers often are willing to claim it.) Having the customer own it, reduces a WISP's assets. Some lease types solve that problem, simply turning CPE into an expense. After the three years, if you bought it from the Leasor, you could list it on your books at depreciated value (near nothing) tax free, and could also list it on your balance sheeet, showing the retail value and depreceiated value, as an Asset that still has a perceived value, even if depreciated. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HotSpot
How are you queing? Simple queues, Trees, PCQ? Are you prioritizing VOIP traffic? Is this your main network or the Red Moon stuff? Cameron No it cant. This is what we are currently using and although it can do the HotSpot and queuing it makes VoIP connections very unstable and does not provide any redundancy/failover. If someone ahs a better way of doing it with MikroTik then please let me know but currently it cant handle the load. Jory - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] HotSpot A P4 machine running MikroTik can do that easily. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Jory Privett j...@wccs.net wrote: I am needing to upgrade a HotSpot that has grown out of hand. I need a solution that will do both username/password and MAC based authentication. It needs to handle queuing without degradation to VoIP services. And finally I would love a unit that I can cluster to increase redundancy. I need a something that is capable of 4000+ simultaneous users passing over 200mb. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jory Privett Partnership Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc?
This seems like a great idea, but does it work? Anone out here tried one of these? http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
10KV neon sign transformer works wonders :-) Tom S. - Original Message - From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5 I charge $85 per service call... After 2, they shoot their own dog! Marco On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc?
MTI, Til-Tek, and Pac Wireless have made 2.4GHz variable sectors for awhile. The design concept works well... as for the Arc Brand specifically I'm not sure. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc? This seems like a great idea, but does it work? Anone out here tried one of these? http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc?
I like the 2.4 and 5.8 panel/enclosure combo. On 11/9/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: MTI, Til-Tek, and Pac Wireless have made 2.4GHz variable sectors for awhile. The design concept works well... as for the Arc Brand specifically I'm not sure. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc? This seems like a great idea, but does it work? Anone out here tried one of these? http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc?
I've used the Maxrad units for years. I really like them. marlon - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc? MTI, Til-Tek, and Pac Wireless have made 2.4GHz variable sectors for awhile. The design concept works well... as for the Arc Brand specifically I'm not sure. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Field-variable sector antenna from arc? This seems like a great idea, but does it work? Anone out here tried one of these? http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/ARC-VS5818SV1_DS_091409.pdf Tom S. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] USF changes?
http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3847366/Lawmakers+Float+Bill+to+Boost+Rural+Broadband.htm I'm not sure I need any more gov. interference! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] customers dogs chewing on CAT5
Feed and Grain stores sell bitters, but I find that any determined dog will ignore the bitters and chew away. In fact, just this morning I coincidentally happened to have some bitters (gf bought it a while back) and thought oh what the hell and sprayed it on something a dog was chewing on. The dog went right back to it, licked it, shook his head, licked his chops, and licked the wood again. Kept doing this, whining at times, until it was all clean and he could chew again ;-). However, I *have* found that Habanero Tabasco Hot Sauce works 100% of the time. That's like 10,000 times hotter than normal jalapeno hot sauce and they do not like and do not go back for a second lick. Chuck On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Greg wrote: Your local feed and grain or pet store should have aerosol dog repellent. Greg On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I've had several customers that have had their dog chew on the Cat5 going from the house to the TV tower and some of them multiple times. Anyone have ideas on how to keep the dog from chewing on the wire? I've got one customer on their 3rd Cat5 run and going out right now to replace a different customer that will be his 3rd one as well. I'm about ready to shoot the stinking dog.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Also note that many leases pass the property taxes on to leasee, so you may not escape it that way either. But, that takes me to another question (more likely for my CPA). Doesnt property taxes only apply to higher dollar items that are usually on a depreciation scheule? In other words, if you are expensing CPE straight off the books, then property tax does not apply? -RickG On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: It should be noted that if you buy CPE and keep ownership of CPE, you are likely open to pay Property Tax on it. In MD that equates to about 3% x 4 years. As well if you own it, it is not covered by the customer's home owner insurance if stolen or damaged by weather or other acts of god. (Not that Customers often are willing to claim it.) Having the customer own it, reduces a WISP's assets. Some lease types solve that problem, simply turning CPE into an expense. After the three years, if you bought it from the Leasor, you could list it on your books at depreciated value (near nothing) tax free, and could also list it on your balance sheeet, showing the retail value and depreceiated value, as an Asset that still has a perceived value, even if depreciated. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CPE - who buys it?
Rick: Maybe rural existence has its advantages; I've never been taxed by the county on anything but towers. And I'm not asking any questions either! Mike At 09:58 PM 11/9/2009, you wrote: Also note that many leases pass the property taxes on to leasee, so you may not escape it that way either. But, that takes me to another question (more likely for my CPA). Doesnt property taxes only apply to higher dollar items that are usually on a depreciation scheule? In other words, if you are expensing CPE straight off the books, then property tax does not apply? -RickG On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: It should be noted that if you buy CPE and keep ownership of CPE, you are likely open to pay Property Tax on it. In MD that equates to about 3% x 4 years. As well if you own it, it is not covered by the customer's home owner insurance if stolen or damaged by weather or other acts of god. (Not that Customers often are willing to claim it.) Having the customer own it, reduces a WISP's assets. Some lease types solve that problem, simply turning CPE into an expense. After the three years, if you bought it from the Leasor, you could list it on your books at depreciated value (near nothing) tax free, and could also list it on your balance sheeet, showing the retail value and depreceiated value, as an Asset that still has a perceived value, even if depreciated. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF changes?
Warning: The bill also drew early praise from ATT On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3847366/Lawmakers+Float+Bill+to+Boost+Rural+Broadband.htm I'm not sure I need any more gov. interference! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
