[WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system
The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us. I guess you missed my post last week about ADI Engineering. They have a certified system that works with Star OS. This was just release a few weeks ago. http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system
Rick, Yes, they would like to work with Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Smith, Rick wrote: Right. And I hear a rumor that they're doing the same with Mikrotik. Before I make any more comments, I want to see an RB600 in my hands. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us. I guess you missed my post last week about ADI Engineering. They have a certified system that works with Star OS. This was just release a few weeks ago. http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike, What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI link I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is required to become certified. You must have all the components certified together. Is it that I keep misunderstanding what you are trying to say? But I feel like this has been discussed before in no uncertain terms. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: So you're saying (in your opinion, not necessarily any bearing on what the FCC actually requires) when we have certified SBCs, we'd be able to go that route? Those that are running a certified radio with no amp (who uses that garbage anymore) into an antenna with equal or lower gain on a PC based system run a good chance of being legal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble It works like this Doug. A radio card is an intentional radiator. Under part 15 rules it can only be sold as a part of a certified system. That means if you put the radio card in a computer and it's designed to be used in a computer either with it's own built in antenna or the antenna build into the computer that's ok. As long as it's CERTIFIED that way. If you take that same card, hook a pigtail to it and put an amp on it. You are out of compliance. If you put an antenna larger than the one certified, you are out of compliance. If you put a different type of antenna than it was certified with (yagi to grid or panel to omni etc.) you are out of compliance. The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us. And, if you look on LEGAL computer boards, even though they are UN-intentional radiators, they will have an FCC certification on them. Many of the war board type devices don't have that FCC logo on them. Yes the rule is silly. Yes it's widely ignored, even by the FCC. No, uncertified systems don't seem to be a problem in the real world. However, do YOU want to take a chance on having YOUR customers go dark because you want to ignore the rules? Do you really want to give your competition that much ammunition against you? I have the contacts, forms to fill out etc. just waiting for me to get the time to take this issue on as part of the FCC committee's job. We have basically no FCC committee though. The principal membership doesn't seem to be all that interested in anything other than whining about the work that other people do. No one wants to step up and take on the hard issues. When I get done with the CALEA work (that's costing me 2 to 4 hours per DAY and others are working harder than I am) I'll write up a petition to get this certified system rule changed. Ideally I'd like to get a real pro installer mechanism in place so that joe q public still has to buy certified systems, but we could just buy certified components. Or, if anyone would like to take this issue on, I've got a bit of a road map and some basic language worked out already :-). In the mean time, run an honest legal business as much as you possibly can. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble But the base product, the computer does not start life as an intentional radiator. So at what point does a FCC certified computer become an intentional radiator as a whole? When you add a wireless card? That would land Dell, HP and Compaq in a load of trouble. But alas, is a FCC certified Netgear card, any different than an FCC certified Ubiquiti card when used with the certified antennas? I'm NOT talking about marketing these as products as a vendor, I'm talking about USING these computers, with wireless cards installed in them after the sale. I don't see how page 78 and on reference a computer becoming an intentional radiator? At the beginning of the day, you have a motherboard and power supply, which become a Personal Computer. At the end of the day, you add a wireless card and antenna which makes it what then? Calling a Cisco Aironet a PC or vice versa doesn't make sense. Cisco Aironet=Intentional Radiator, PC=Unintentional Radiator. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble Sam, Since some here feel I have no credibility because I no longer run a WISP I will let you decide from this information provided. Starting on page 78 of the following link should explain why the wireless devices in question cannot
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike, That post was looking for clarification on whether or not it was possible it would make this legal without going through system certification as an intentional radiator. Since the FCC wording can be mind boggling sometimes there is confusion. In other words you cannot take certified parts and use them together and expect to be legal no matter how anyone tries to justify it. I am glad to see that you do understand. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I understood that was the way it was until perhaps yesterday when someone brought up the issue of PC's with add in wireless cards being in no way different than what we do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble Mike, What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI link I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is required to become certified. You must have all the components certified together. Is it that I keep misunderstanding what you are trying to say? But I feel like this has been discussed before in no uncertain terms. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: So you're saying (in your opinion, not necessarily any bearing on what the FCC actually requires) when we have certified SBCs, we'd be able to go that route? Those that are running a certified radio with no amp (who uses that garbage anymore) into an antenna with equal or lower gain on a PC based system run a good chance of being legal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble It works like this Doug. A radio card is an intentional radiator. Under part 15 rules it can only be sold as a part of a certified system. That means if you put the radio card in a computer and it's designed to be used in a computer either with it's own built in antenna or the antenna build into the computer that's ok. As long as it's CERTIFIED that way. If you take that same card, hook a pigtail to it and put an amp on it. You are out of compliance. If you put an antenna larger than the one certified, you are out of compliance. If you put a different type of antenna than it was certified with (yagi to grid or panel to omni etc.) you are out of compliance. The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us. And, if you look on LEGAL computer boards, even though they are UN-intentional radiators, they will have an FCC certification on them. Many of the war board type devices don't have that FCC logo on them. Yes the rule is silly. Yes it's widely ignored, even by the FCC. No, uncertified systems don't seem to be a problem in the real world. However, do YOU want to take a chance on having YOUR customers go dark because you want to ignore the rules? Do you really want to give your competition that much ammunition against you? I have the contacts, forms to fill out etc. just waiting for me to get the time to take this issue on as part of the FCC committee's job. We have basically no FCC committee though. The principal membership doesn't seem to be all that interested in anything other than whining about the work that other people do. No one wants to step up and take on the hard issues. When I get done with the CALEA work (that's costing me 2 to 4 hours per DAY and others are working harder than I am) I'll write up a petition to get this certified system rule changed. Ideally I'd like to get a real pro installer mechanism in place so that joe q public still has to buy certified systems, but we could just buy certified components. Or, if anyone would like to take this issue on, I've got a bit of a road map and some basic language worked out already :-). In the mean time, run an honest legal business as much as you possibly can. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT Babble But the base product, the computer does not start life as an intentional radiator. So at what point does a FCC certified computer become an intentional radiator as a whole? When you add a wireless card? That would land Dell, HP and Compaq in a load of trouble. But alas, is a FCC certified Netgear card, any different than an FCC certified Ubiquiti card when used with the certified antennas? I'm NOT talking about marketing these as products as a vendor, I'm talking about
Re: [WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system
Mike, As quoted from the white paper; Software Requirements for Compliance The only requirement our FCC approval places on software is to “hard code” the transmit power control settings and channel selection options so that they always conform to the FCC certified limits. There must not be any way to configure the system to operate above the certified power levels or channel settings. Any software can be run on the unit provided it meets this requirement. ADI is accomplishing the power and channel hard coding with the cooperation of our commercial WISP and municipal wireless software partners – RoamAD, Valemount Networks, Antcor, and others. These partners will be providing a Pronghorn Metro™ FCC compliant code build that sets power and channel selections correctly. ADI is also underway developing an FCC compliance capability for MadWiFi. This will provide a clear path forward to FCC compliance to customers creating their own software based on MadWiFi. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I see nothing about it that would fix it to Star OS, unless the IXP425 is not x86. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 6:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] ADI's open Architecture system The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like that is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us. I guess you missed my post last week about ADI Engineering. They have a certified system that works with Star OS. This was just release a few weeks ago. http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Good Luck to all.
All, Some on this list have felt it important to steer the discussion towards personal attacks and try to discredit me anytime I want to discuss how the rules and regulations affect this industry as a whole. My only agenda is to help others to understand how they can become compliant and do my best to explain how to read the rules set forth by the authorities. Since there is a lack of appreciation for my posts I feel I need to move on to a more professional venue. Good luck with all your future endeavors. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] We Win Again On 3605-3700 MHz. So What Does It Mean?
All, Below is another educated opinion on what 3650 could mean to the wireless industry. Click the link at the bottom to read the full story. Back in 2004-05, a bunch of us fought to open up the 3650-3700 MHz band for unlicensed use (Sometimes refered to as 3.65 GHz rather than 3650 MHz). While we did not get “pure” unlicensed, the FCC's “hybrid unlicensed” regime gave us pretty much everything we wanted. In August 2005, a group of tech firms led by Intel filed a Petition for Reconsideration. This group, which I dubbed the “WiMax Posse,” wanted the Commission to reverse itself and optimize the band for WiMax operations. Notably, this meant adopting a licensing regime instead of the open spectrum rules we won in March 2005. By this time, Powell had left and been replaced with Kevin Martin. Martin had earned the eternal scorn of Netheads by deregulating DSL (actually a process begun by Powell). And, unlike Powell, Martin had no record of support for open spectrum. So even though the WiMax Posse and the various licensed wireless providers who came in to support them raised no new arguments, no one knew whether Martin would reaffirm the 2005 rules or side with the licensed spectrum/WiMax posse. So I let out a huge sigh of relief and felt a modest sense of accomplishment when the FCC issued an Order denying the WiMax Posse Recon Petition and basically reaffirming our March 2005 win. Commissioner Adelstein had a very nice concurring statement highlighting the important roll played by WISPs and Community Wireless Networks (CWNs) in getting wireless connectivity to rural and underserved urban communities. So what does this mean for wireless deployment for WISPs, CWNs, and muni systems? How do I read the FCC tea leaves in light of last month's FCC decision terminating two important open spectrum proceedings? See below . . . . Link for full story; http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/818 Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
All, I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final say in what can and cannot be certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
George, As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has to be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions they need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the norm among some on this list. How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing on this discussion? Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Dawn, Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp? Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps? Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final say in what can and cannot be certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Sam, Since some here feel I have no credibility because I no longer run a WISP I will let you decide from this information provided. Starting on page 78 of the following link should explain why the wireless devices in question cannot be certified as computers. http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/part15/part15-2-16-06.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: I think the question that really hasn't been answered is if a RB can be certified class B and then use a certified radio/antenna combo as is allowed with a PC/laptop. And you are right that then FCC makes the rules. What is not clear is that Dawn's (and others) position that the component rules can not apply to an RB or other SBC. The only people that can clarify this is the FCC. As for FCC certification in general, I think there are two major factors that come into play with uncertified gear. There are several that deployed the equipment under the false impression that it was legal because they complied with the EIRP rules (and many still persist in this belief). The other is the simple fact that no one has been fined, to my knowledge, for using uncertified gear. There have been instances of people that have been fined for using over EIRP and unauthorized use of licensed bands. If the FCC has not fined for the behavior yet and has made unofficial statements to the effect that they are more worried about EIRP and 477, it comes as no surprise that people will not follow the law. As you pointed out most people regularly break the speed limit, which is a law with an associated fine but they continue to do so because the fine is not large enough or incurred often enough to make it an effective deterrent. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Matt Liotta wrote: This has become a ridiculous thread. Dawn's customer experience is irrelevant in this case. Plenty of operators who have lots of customers (including me) understand and agree with the position presented. Don't kill the messenger! The FCC makes the rules; not Dawn or me or any of the other folks who have made accurate statements regarding certification. Use of certified equipment is required by law. Many people break laws for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't change the law. For example, everyday I drive over the speed limit and occasionally I am fined for doing so. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Mike, If this is what you think I am trying to do then you are sorely mistaken. I just don't want others to think that if there is any Mikrotik FCC Certified System in the works then all Mikrotik systems are legal in any way shape or form. Which is what I took you to say with your statement. If I am wrong in that interpretation then I apologize. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I...I give up talking to you. You take what I say and twist it horribly as if I am some renegade pioneer of MT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble Mike, This does not make everyone using a Mikrotik system legal though. It is not just as easy as saying I use the same components in my system as the one certified so I am legal. In case you are unaware, this would also include the enclosure and the power supply even then you still need the documentation from the entity that certified the system. The system must be exactly the same soup to nuts. Again for you to say that an FCC Certified Mikrotik System would make any Mikrotik legality a non issue is an unreasonable statement. Below is a link that might be helpful; http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: Well, it will be a non issue because there will be certified option. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Mike, That is a big IF there. As I said before I don't see that every single hardware configuration deployed using Mikrotik will be covered. So to say that Mikrotik FCC System Certification will be a non issue is not a reasonable statement to make. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: IIRC, if everything is the same, you can label it as containing X, Y, Z and be compliant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making systems out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Doug, You have to certify the system as a whole INCLUDING THE ENCLOSURE and the power supply and you cannot deviate from the configuration that was certified. This cannot be compared to a PC because that is a different certification. PC's are unintentional radiators the systems in question are intentional radiators. Here is the link for more info on Modular Transmitters; http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Here is a link to ADI and their certified system; http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro Doug Ratcliffe wrote: I found the FCC document regarding the modular certifications. If Mikrotik would submit (or someone submitted on their behalf, for them) their boards and representative power supplies, for FCC testing, and passed (no peripheral cards, they are SEPARATELY tested for FCC compliance by the manufacturer, it's in this document), they would become PCs and fall under the 1996 FCC order listed below. If we used VIA, or any number of already modular certified FCC motherboards, it would all fall under this order. Cases are not FCC certified only motherboards, peripherals and power supplies. So take a motherboard, power supply and a peripheral wireless card, put it into a NEMA enclosure, add an antenna that's certified for use with that wireless card. How is that not FCC legal? It mentions an FCC DoC sticker some of us may be familiar with: Trade NameModel Number FCC Assembled from Tested Components (Complete System Not Tested) I have a Compaq Presario 5100NX, Dell Dimension 8100 and Dimension 2400 in my repair department right now, NO FCC stickers on the cases. Part 15 as of May 4, 2007: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/rules/part15/part15-5-4-07.pdf Listed on these pages: Page 12-15: Regarding labelling for Declaration of Conformity, home-build and kit computers. Page 28 - Section 15.101 Equipment authorization of unintentional radiators. See type of device, class B personal computers and peripherals: Declaration of Conformity. Page 29 subsections C and D - Personal Computers shall be authorized in accordance with one of the following methods And of course, on page 86 the very vague modular transmitter section regarding unique antenna connectors, shielded RF components (I believe Ubiquity has cards like this). I did a search in this document for the following words: operating system 0 results. software 2 results - neither of which have to do with operating systems. Maybe this will be dismissed as a bad interpretation, but Mikrotik looks suspiciously like a PC operating system, much like Windows or Linux. Not a modular transmitter device like an AP. I can put a CD in my home computer and load Mikrotik on it. So how is the device a Mikrotik OS runs on not considered a PC? Just some food for thought; with the information that backs it up right from the FCC site. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Ralph, I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making systems out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Mike, That is a big IF there. As I said before I don't see that every single hardware configuration deployed using Mikrotik will be covered. So to say that Mikrotik FCC System Certification will be a non issue is not a reasonable statement to make. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: IIRC, if everything is the same, you can label it as containing X, Y, Z and be compliant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making systems out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ADI Metro FCC Certified System
All, I had the pleasure of meeting with the ADI Engineering Sales team at Muniwireless in Boston this past week and picked up some documentation on the FCC Certified System they offer. Here is a link to their whitepaper. http://www.adiengineering.com/products/data/FCC-Whitepaper-R100.pdf I hope this clears up any confusion there might be about this system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How can this be?
Marlon, Please explain how the information on this website contradicts either of those 2 thoughts. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/ I thought America was running behind the rest of the world in broadband! And I thought most of Asia was wired with ftth and the latest in wireless technologies! What gives? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Sam, My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional companies with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing the bill. As someone once said No one wants to be in office when the copper networks go dark. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer if they are allowed to pull out of those areas. A very large amount of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are available in the hinterlands. How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their Northern New England customers? I would be very willing to bet that it is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to those customers. Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice to every home regardless of its economic viability. Right or wrong, that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are trying to weasel their way out of it. However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
Chuck, Talking about the ISP-CEO session publicly is a no no. Even on the WISPA Members list. Regards, Dawn DiPietro CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Tom. I'm very interested in hearing any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have time to post to the members list I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in my interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in Santa Clara. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Peter, Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't escape them even in FL :-( Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours. What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest. The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was interesting to hear what they found interesting. Its neat to watch the evolution. Guys I may have helped two or three years ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new insight from their perspective. Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general. From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers for better controlled costs. The software paid attention to compression best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the processing power of the end user's PC to do it. My mind is drawing a blank on the Company Name, at the moment. A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard Switch products on display. The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a whole bunch of little WOWs. :-) But that could be because I missed most of the sessions. The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics. Show was a great success, for me. Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show. (Besides the side trip to Daytona, that is :) A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/. (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read it here: http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon) Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON. Email me to join in. Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Sam, It's the rural areas that are affected when it comes to the copper network. As I understand it, the original purpose of the USF was to help pay for the rural areas, otherwise there would be no copper there to begin with. If the urban areas are losing landlines by the droves there is no surplus to help pay for the rural areas either. There are too many miles of copper and not enough customers to pay for it in these areas. Why do you think Verizon is selling off huge parts of their telephone network in Northern New England? It is not that these people have not personally been there it is the fact that rural areas are losing money no matter how you look at it. I know it still costs a fortune to get bandwidth in these areas but that is not going to make up for how much money is being lost to maintain the copper. If any of my facts are wrong I am sure someone will correct me. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Joost and your network.
All, Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read. http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network.
All, Talk about missing the point...The reality is that customer perception is important and if one advertises unlimited then the customer expects unlimited. These apps might impact customer satisfaction with your service and they will go elsewhere if they feel they are not getting the unlimited service they think they signed up for. At this point only time will tell how important such apps are to your customers. If one limits peer to peer traffic then these video on demand services will not work and since there is no way to tell if the content is legit or not it leaves the ISP between a rock and a hard place. The mis perception that all peer to peer traffic is illegal is one that has to be dealt with sooner or later. Looks to me like these apps might make it sooner. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I think this was mainly attacking the Comcast, Verizon, ATT, etc. of the world. We'd fit into the category of small ISP filling in the blanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Zack Kneisley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Joost and your network. Talk about a biased view, (while we wait for Telcos or companies like Google to build out the next-generation networks) get real. make sure you're not on an ISP that treats you like dirty rotten thieving scum Yeah, well we all have those users, If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck.. But what about those who (like me) pay more for 'unlimited' broadband access? There shouldn't be a problem, right? Wrong. Thats why you can pay for an account with a CIR of 1.5Mbit at $400-$500 a month or a 4Mbit account thats best effort for $40-$50 a month. Z On 5/29/07, Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Here is an interesting blog post you all might want to read. http://www.last100.com/2007/05/28/will-isps-spoil-the-online-video-party/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hardware options
All, Here are some hardware options you might want to look into if you have not done so already. http://wavion.net/product/WS410_datasheet.pdf http://gonetworks.com/page.asp?prmID=467 Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Interesting RUS info
All, I decided to dig deeper into the new RUS Proposed Rule changes and think this is something we should all read and comment on since this affects all of us. Follow the link for more info on how to comment and read the document in question. http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=DocumentDetaild=RUS-06-Agency-0052-0001 Regards, Dawn DiPietro Look and see who is moving into your community: http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/SearchTabs.aspx The interesting text is located here: http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/broadband-search.htm Special Note to Potential Loan Applicants: Potential applicants should note that Rural Development cannot provide funding to another entity for communities associated with approved applications and that communities associated with pending applications are restricted until a lending decision is reached on the pending application. In addition, Rural Development cannot provide funding to an additional entity for towns where the Agency has an active Telecom borrower providing broadband service. For active Telecom borrowers see: http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom http://www.usda.gov/rus/telecom/index.htm . This locks me out of getting funding from RUS for towns that have already been claimed by RUS loan applicants.. So much for competition?! Does this lock you out of competition as well? ryan -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Frontline this week
Anyone else going to watch this one? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frontline this week
All, I guess you are right. With all the bad decisions I have made recently as to what is appropriate to post here I am in need of a short vacation from the list. Maybe I will see some of you around. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Jeff Broadwick wrote: Yup, Don't go there, or this will turn into a political argument. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:38 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Frontline this week Dawn, That's like poking a big fat rattle snake with a short stick! :-) Someone is going to get bit. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Frontline this week Anyone else going to watch this one? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CLEC Services
All, The way the ILEC's look at it, they put the infrastructure in place and to have CLEC's profit from it would not be in their best interest since the CLEC would be using these same lines the ILECs could potentially get retail for. Whether the ILEC would actually provide these services is an argument for another day. As I understand it, one of the advantages of getting CLEC status was to get better pricing, this is no longer the case. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. :-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro W.D.McKinney wrote: The FCC has been influenced by changes in staff, Senate oversight, and the consolidation the Bell operating entities. Becoming a CLEC now is more streamlined than in the beginning, but depending on your PUC and competitive envirement, may still be expensive. As always, if you going to wage war, get counsel. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:33:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [WISPA] CLEC Services George, It sounds as if they are a start up CLEC and haven't had the time to exactly figure out what is available to them and the costs associated with the product offerings. I use to be in that same boat, but we finally figured out that Bell South has nothing available in N. Louisiana other than a fiber connection (the only one in this parish short of theirs) we paid for and T1's. I am not kidding - - T1's are available, but you can't even get a PRI short of Monroe. (30 miles west of here)It's a crying shame any portion of this nation can be so technologically retarded compared to the rest of the world. I have been playing with the idea of becoming a CLEEC myself. I know Bell South has quizzed me on this with a lot of intensity. Makes me wonder what the deal is! Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CLEC Services I'm sure Peter can help, but I'm curious why the clec doesn't know these things, aren't they a facilities based clec with interconection agreement with the ilec? George Rick Harnish wrote: Peter is no longer suspended and I agree with Mac! Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] CLEC Services Doug, I can give you a name of a man who can take you by the hand and lead you through the wildness of the Telco maze as well as explain it to where you can understand it all. I can also tell you he is ABSOLUTELY worth more than he charges for consulting! His name is Peter Radizeski and he is member on the free WISPA list - - currently suspended for - - er...well, less than perfect list etiquette (hehehehehe) Email addy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rad-info.net/ GL, Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CLEC Services We have a CLEC who's co-located their offices with ours, and although they're residential copper analog only, they told us they can order anything from the ILEC for us for cost and a small markup. But it's Bellsouth territory, and he's given me the tech line's phone number and a big book of services, but I don't even know where to start. I'm looking for prices on T1's, and also DSL I can sell private label with my own TOS. I don't want to have any facilities to install at the CO, just use the CO's equipment under the CLEC's name but I don't even know what services to request. Any ideas where to start? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
After rereading Mike's post I realized I was mistaken and apologized to the list. Grenier, Craig wrote: I hear ya. It sounds great. Don't feed the trolls =D Craig M. Grenier Production TAC Engineer Savvis, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Built to RespondTM This message contains information which may be confidential and/or privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete the message and any attachment(s) thereto without retaining any copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless What do you mean? I have been talking to him for two months about this. Where did you get that this is an ad? I asked him to post this message to get a feel for how WISPs would respond. He even sent it to me for review prior to sending it out here. I guess I am having trouble understanding why this would be considered an ad. They are looking for support for a declaratory ruling from the FCC on this matter. Mike would like to see WISPA help him on this and I think we should at least consider this. Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Sounds like an ad too. :-) Jory Privett wrote: Sounds like a great idea. I only have one issue from what I read here, $500 per link seems high. Most ISPs complain about the $250 they pay now for CPEs. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: michael mulcay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless Guys, As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks (equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at auction for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of us. To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas -- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz and 6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing additional interference. Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing additional interference. We believe that concurrent coordination will be The Next Big Thing in Wireless, leveling the playing field by making it possible for WISPs to obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar compared to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE 802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the status quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially WISPs. Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating Elements. However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that emails of support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling or to issue a Public Notice for industry comment. Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or information about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional information you can also visit our web site at www.wirelessstrategies.net. Thanks, Mike Michael Mulcay, CEO Wireless Strategies, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
[WISPA] CALEA FAQ Questions
Marlon, I have been reading the WISPA CALEA FAQ and was a little concerned about question #10. If the LEA does not know who the suspect is using an open access point does this mean that everyone that has used that access point will have their data handed over to the LEA? It would seem that if the LEA is only allowed to receive the data requested in the subpoena this would be a violation. As far as I can tell question #15 does not get answered in the paragraph following the question. It talks more about acceptable billing and the fact that WISPA might have a solution in the future. One of the questions in section 23 asks Does the FBI speak for other LEA's?. Unless I am mistaken this question does not get answered. Also the document says over and over again that the LEA's will work with WISP's, which sounds like there is no easy way this can always be done transparently with the current broadband equipment deployed by WISP's. So the workaround is the WISP should give them the all the data from the device in question and the LEA's will sort it out and separate it. If I am out of line please let me know but if I have questions about the FAQ then I am guessing there are others that do too. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
Sounds like an ad too. :-) Jory Privett wrote: Sounds like a great idea. I only have one issue from what I read here, $500 per link seems high. Most ISPs complain about the $250 they pay now for CPEs. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: michael mulcay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless Guys, As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks (equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at auction for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of us. To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas -- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz and 6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing additional interference. Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing additional interference. We believe that concurrent coordination will be The Next Big Thing in Wireless, leveling the playing field by making it possible for WISPs to obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar compared to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE 802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the status quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially WISPs. Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating Elements. However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that emails of support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling or to issue a Public Notice for industry comment. Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or information about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional information you can also visit our web site at www.wirelessstrategies.net. Thanks, Mike Michael Mulcay, CEO Wireless Strategies, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
Scriv, After rereading this I was mistaken. My apologies for my comment. Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: What do you mean? I have been talking to him for two months about this. Where did you get that this is an ad? I asked him to post this message to get a feel for how WISPs would respond. He even sent it to me for review prior to sending it out here. I guess I am having trouble understanding why this would be considered an ad. They are looking for support for a declaratory ruling from the FCC on this matter. Mike would like to see WISPA help him on this and I think we should at least consider this. Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Sounds like an ad too. :-) Jory Privett wrote: Sounds like a great idea. I only have one issue from what I read here, $500 per link seems high. Most ISPs complain about the $250 they pay now for CPEs. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: michael mulcay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless Guys, As we wireless operators know, the costs of licensed networks (equipment, antennas and licensing) makes providing services to the majority of subscribers prohibitively expensive, and the cost at auction for spectrum (for WiMax and 4G products) is beyond the reach of most of us. To overcome these problems, two years ago Wireless Strategies began research into ways to use new technologies -- WiMAX and smart antennas -- to reuse side lobe radiation around sites of point-to-point 4GHz and 6GHz microwave links under the present FCC rules and without causing additional interference. Our finding is that networks can be designed to operate with smart antennas with distributed radiators and that the new paths can be concurrently coordinated, under existing FCC rules and without causing additional interference. We believe that concurrent coordination will be The Next Big Thing in Wireless, leveling the playing field by making it possible for WISPs to obtain multipurpose licensed spectrum at pennies on the dollar compared to obtaining it at auction. By making use of the formerly wasted side lobe radiation of 4GHz and 6GHz paths, WISPs will be able to use IEEE 802.16-based (WiMAX) equipment with small antennas to provide licensed broadband services to hundreds of additional subscribers at a provisioning cost of only about $500 per link. We appreciate that some members of the industry may initially perceive any change to the status quo as a threat, but we believe that concurrent coordination will provide extraordinary benefits to the entire industry, especially WISPs. Due to the potential for unprecedented industry-wide changes from the use of antennas with distributed radiators to provide multiple-path low-cost broadband services under the existing FCC rules, Wireless Strategies decided to remove any uncertainty for investors and service providers by, on February 23, 2007, filing with the Federal Communications Commission, a Request for a Declaratory Ruling on Compliance of Fixed Microwave Antennas Having Distributed Radiating Elements. However, to date, the FCC has taken no action. We believe that emails of support from the WISP community can help speed up the process, by encouraging the FCC to either issue the requested declaratory ruling or to issue a Public Notice for industry comment. Therefore, if you would like a copy of our FCC filing and/or information about the new concept of concurrent coordination, please contact me at Wireless Strategies 831-659-5618 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional information you can also visit our web site at www.wirelessstrategies.net. Thanks, Mike Michael Mulcay, CEO Wireless Strategies, Inc. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Johnny, There is nothing specific about my statement. I was talking about cash flow not compliance but I never mentioned either in my statement. That is where the assumption came in. This thread was brought about by the discussion as of late with some WISP's saying that they don't earn enough money to install another customer never mind the fact that the CALEA compliance solutions currently available are out of their price range. So this was not brought on by a discussion about whether or not they will comply with CALEA but that they don't have the cash flow. Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Oh - why did I assume anything when you specifically said the following.. Marlon, **To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point.** This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn - this was started around the CALEA compliance issue... What would be a good opportunity for them to get out when the discussion is about Matt offering companies a way to sell out due to CALEA compliance JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Johnny, I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another assumption? Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are... NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ISP Planet article
All, In case anyone missed this article on what CALEA could mean to ISP's and WISP's alike. http://www.isp-planet.com/politics/2007/calea_extension.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] are you for sale?
Johnny, I NEVER said anyone was in over their heads in regards to CALEA. I was talking in general. So don't go putting words into my mouth. What makes you think these companies won't be offered fair market value? Another assumption? Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Dawn - the way I see it is that this is a way for a company with deep pockets to come in and buy up some companies at below market value. To use CALEA as a marketing tool for such is in my book completely out of line. Well I guess it isn't depending on who you are... NOONE is over their heads with CALEA at the moment. Jeeesh - let's let this play out before anyone goes on a doom and gloom campaign. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] are you for sale? Marlon, To be honest with you I think some WISP's are in over their heads at this point. This is just an opportunity for them to get out gracefully if they choose to do so. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Did you know that there has NEVER been a CALEA non compliance action? I can think of a lot of reasons to get out of the business but CALEA isn't even on the list let alone near the top. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: [WISPA] are you for sale? In discussions with others it has come to my attention that several companies are looking to exit the business for various reasons not the least of which is CALEA. If you're serious about exploring an exit, contact me offlist. I am interested in a variety of options from taking a controlling interest to an outright cash buyout. I don't want to sound like a vulture, but the CALEA deadline is coming fast and it will become increasingly difficult to sell a business that is not compliant after the deadline passes. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question
Marlon, I was under the impression the providers are only supposed to send the LEA the data covered in the subpoena and no more. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Read the FAQ. In some cases they may have to sort through ALL data to get at what they want. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question In my opinion, I don;t think it will fly because of NAT. The law inforcement agrency needs to be able to differenciate what customer traffic is comming from, and if you use NAT for any of your customers, the facilities based upstream provider would have no way to identify the end user, and the WISP would become the customer and be liable. To many degrees of seperation at the upstream for the captured data to be meaningful. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question The FCC wrote: we conclude that establishments that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider to enable their patrons or customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments are not considered facilities-based broadband Internet access service providers Hm. It'd be one heckuva stretch, but by reading the letter (as opposed to the spirit) of that paragraph, many smaller WISPs would automatically be exempt. I know my office has acquired broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider (our upstream ISP) and we're enabling our customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments (i.e. our customers pay for Internet at their homes or offices). By the letter of that paragraph (and, to be fair, I haven't read all the context surrounding it) most any single-homed WISP would be exempt, as they could just say go talk to our upstream. (I doubt it'd work for multi-homed ISPs, as that would require multiple upstreams to be tapped and somehow synchronized, which is probably technically annoying.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Google and 700Mhz
All, Interesting article on Google and the 700Mhz spectrum. I thought it might be of some interest to the list. It kind of sounds like the coalition that Google belongs to is rooting for small rural providers but I am not sure what their idea of small providers means. Page 1 of the article; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284.htm Page 2; http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2007/tc20070503_030284_page_2.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
George, I am under the impression there is an FSO solution out there that has an auto align mechanism that overcomes the sway associated with cable and tower mounts. I would be interested to know if this is how Plaintree deals with this issue. Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: I didn't buy that one, but I did buy a 100 meg fd Plaintree FSO link a couple weeks ago. Should be here any day now. From what I understand, most FSO has very little tolerance. Things like vibration can interrupt the links connectivity. Although Plaintree specifically said it did not effect their system. Smith, Rick wrote: Hrm. Designed to mount ON the cable at the street and point toward the homes ? Interesting, but futile in the wind... Isn't it more expensive than a coax run to the home ? LOL. Hey Cable companies, buy these things and put 'em everywhere -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops Now THAT's cool! marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops http://www.lindsaybroadbandinc.com/product.line/fleex/pdf/FreeSpaceOptic s.pdf -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
Scriv, Congrats and Have Fun! 10 Years in this business is something to celebrate for sure. :-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know it I play the drums. Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today! Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
All, Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Matt, This is great news. I look forward to seeing this happen since this seems to be the system of choice from a huge number of Wireless Providers. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Can the Certification Nazis give it a rest for a couple of months? There will be plenty of StarOS and MT certified systems by then and we can send these stupid threads into /dev/null oblivion. Sheesh. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Chadd Thompson wrote: You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick? :O) Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
It's cool. :-) Butch Evans wrote: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote: Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified. Now it's my turn to be contentious... Why does anyone care to inform you of anything? Who are you that we should care? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Mark, You are correct with this statement. I did get a little out of hand this morning. Apologies to the list. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mark Nash wrote: This post is not a response to the question or helpful. You took an opportunity to state an opinion which has derailed the original intent of the thread. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Johnny, We used Breezecom and Proxim. Are you telling me that they were not certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Dawn - this is not a personal attack but I know that your previous WISP was not certified compliant, neither is about 90% of the WISPs out there, so what is the point of your post ? JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install. Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for using non certified configurations? Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway. The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to care. They want the consumer taken care of. When you think about it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all the while, we get away with things too. Shrug. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Mike, There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: It's called prioritization, we all do it. Going after ma and pa wisp isn't very high on their list of things to do. With as rare as they bust a rogue vendor or manufacturer, how often do you think they go after someone intentionally using grossly overpowered gear, much less certified radio\antenna combo's. They're going to go after a rice rocket going 105 mph in a 65 before a Ford F-150 doing 70. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Marlon, Do you really believe the FCC does not care if WISP's are using uncertified gear? I doubt that you actually believe this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I prefer certified gear. Pre built and ready to install. Having said that Dawn, when's the last time the FCC took a wisp to task for using non certified configurations? Hell, I've spent TWO YEARS trying to get an operator running over the eirp limits (way over) dealt with and still no headway. The bad (and in many ways good) think is that they just don't seem to care. They want the consumer taken care of. When you think about it, we whine about all of the things that the big boys get away with, all the while, we get away with things too. Shrug. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
George, I am not painting a bad picture of anyone. I just think that if you are going to be a part of this industry then you need to play by the rules no matter how much you dislike it. Yes, there was innovation by breaking the rules in the beginning but that was before there was an industry. Now that WISP's are more commonplace the rules have changed and if you want to be a part of it you need to mature along with the rest of the industry. I guess I have reached my limit for the day so I will continue to pester you all tomorrow. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Dawn DiPietro wrote: Mike, There is no excuse for using uncertified gear no matter who is at fault. This attitude is going to hurt the WISP industry more than anything. Dawn, we got to where we are today because of the independent thinking tech who rolled his own systems. I very much doubt we would be as far forward as we are without the shade tree wisp types. Even Moto got one hell of a kick start by converting 802.11b systems over to their platform. I'm sure Alvarion, Trango and the others are doing well with fork lift upgrades by wisps who did what they had to to get going. Yes, today is a the beginning of a new era, one which will demand certification, but lets not forget our roots, and lets stop casting stones or trying to paint a nasty picture of some. Those who have never deployed an uncertified system are either far and few between or have not been in this industry very long. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Mike, If you think you are under the radar you are sorely mistaken. You admitted on a public list that gear you use is not certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I am not exempt from anything, but my 11 customers and I can certainly fly under the radar using gear isn't harming anyone until I have completed my Mikrotik compliance efforts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? So are you telling us you are exempt, then? The justificatiom is that you are small- a Ma and Pa? Mikrotik certification is already sorted out. They are not approved. Look for the label on the end product. If you made it yourself, it ain't certified! Don't get me wrong, I'm not avoiding a certified system. However, it is just one of the many factors that go in to choosing a system. The cards I am using are certified with the antennas I use (to the best of my knowledge, waiting for the FCC to come back up). I will have my Mikrotik certification issues sorted out this summer. As Marlon said earlier, the FCC isn't going after ma and pa WISP, but after gross negligence in vendors and manufacturers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? I like to think of it more like constructive public pressure rather than paranoia. Paranoia would be a term used in regard to unfounded concern. Certification as a matter of law is not unfounded concern, it is fact and therefore paranoia is not a just description of the pressures we see being placed on the makers of the platform. I personally love the Mikrotik platform but feel it should have a suite of certified system options for wireless use which we do not see currently. The lack of this has limited my ability to consider use of this platform for wireless solutions. I still use Mikrotik often for SoHo router / firewall / hotspot gateways / etc. I would consider it for some wireless applications if there were FCC certified options available. Until then I will not buy anything from anyone that is not FCC certified from this date forward. I spent about $300K on gear last year. Vendors take note! Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Rick, There is no way you would be legit if you decided to do this on your own. Considering the conversation that went on a few weeks back mentioned that people used Mikrotik systems because of the feature set and not cost why would you not buy an already certified system. To be safe I would go with a system that is already certified instead of chancing it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Community Wireless Summit May 18-20, 2007 -- Washington, DC.
Charles, How did I know you would make this an issue? ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Charles Wu wrote: Out of curiosity...does this mean I can just email blast the list with events that I organize? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sascha Meinrath Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Community Wireless Summit May 18-20, 2007 -- Washington, DC. FYI: Contact: Sascha Meinrath Executive Director CUWiN Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] 217-278-3933 x31 INTERNATIONAL SUMMIT TO ADDRESS FUTURE OF BROADBAND -- Community Technology Leaders from Six Continents to Participate -- Champaign-Urbana, I.L., April 18 -- The CUWiN Foundation and the Center for Community Informatics (CCI) will host the International Summit for Community Wireless Networks (http://WirelessSummit.org) from May 18-20, 2007 at Loyola College in Columbia, Maryland. The summit is the largest gathering of wireless network developers, technology and policy experts, and community organizers working to build universal, low-cost broadband networks around the world. We are proud to host an event that brings together technologists and activists committed to universal access to informatics, said Marco Figueiredo, CCI Director. The International Summit for Community Wireless Networks explores the opportunities and challenges facing the growing movement to build community and municipal broadband networks, said Sascha Meinrath, co-founder and Executive Director of CUWiN. This event showcases cutting-edge technologies and develops political strategies to increase digital inclusion. Since the first National Summit for Community Wireless Networks in 2004, over 300 Community Internet and municipal broadband projects have sprung up in the United States alone. The Summit will focus on how these networks can better serve their target populations, the policies needed to support broader deployment of community wireless systems, and the latest technological and software innovations. Presenters at previous summits have included FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein, Jim Baller of the Baller Herbst Law Group, Annie Collins of Fiber for Our Future, Mark Cooper of the Consumer Federation of America, Harold Feld of Media Access Project, Robert W. McChesney of Free Press, Matt Rantanen of Tribal Digital Village, Greg Richardson of Civitium LLC, Paul Smith of the Center for Neighborhood Technologies, Jim Snider of the New America Foundation, Dana Spiegel of NYCwireless, Esme Vos of Muniwireless.com and many other luminaries. High-speed broadband access is the electricity of the 21st century, yet many rural and poorer urban communities are being left off the grid, said Ben Scott, policy director of Free Press, the DC-based policy think-tank. The innovators and organizers at the International Summit for Community Wireless Networks are blazing the trail to make broadband affordable and available to everyone. About CUWiN (http://www.cuwin.net) The CUWiN Foundation is a world-renowned coalition of wireless developers and community volunteers committed to providing low-cost, do-it-yourself, community-controlled alternatives to contemporary broadband models. CUWiN is fiscally sponsored by Grassroots.org, a non-profit 501c3. CUWiN's mission is to develop decentralized, community-owned networks that foster democratic cultures and local content. Through advocacy and through our commitment to open source technology, CUWiN supports organic networks that grow to meet the needs of their communities. About CCI (http://cci.cs.loyola.edu) The Center for Community Informatics engages Loyola College's students, faculty and staff in supporting the creation and deployment of informatics tools for community empowerment. CCI develops the Community Telecenter Free Software Toolset; promotes awareness events for the Loyola College community; offer courses in Community Informatics; promotes Digital Inclusion Conferences; researches and develops human-friendly technologies to facilitate inclusion in the New Society of Knowledge; and, evaluates, documents and develops sustainable models for Universal Access to Informatics. # # # -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
George, Trango would have had the whole system certified not just the radio card and the SBC. You can't take out a few parts from a certified system and consider it legal in any way shape or form. The system as a whole was certified including the case, the power supply and software. As far as I understand it if you change anything it would need to be re certified. The system would also need a sticker with the FCC ID # affixed to the outside of the case. Aren't you on the Cert Committee? Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: I would assume Dawn, that your statement like mine is an SS U Me tion. If the trango's plug into the ethernets and the cm9 is a wifi ap, then it's quite a stretch to say that the mt-cm9 combo alone is not certified. George Dawn DiPietro wrote: Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Mike, Why risk losing your business for using uncertified gear? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: People really are getting paranoid about MT certification lately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere and consider it certified ? No. You would have to use the exact same parts to be considered legal from the antenna to the power supply. This would mean you would have to get the manufacturer of all these parts in the trango system. If you took this approach you would be taking on the responsibility to make sure this really a was certified system. I assume you read the FAQ that Jack Unger setup to answer these questions about certification. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?
Frank, Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Crawford wrote: Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's in thier manual. Frank - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? Rick, I have to agree with Ralph on this one. Since you have admitted on a public list that you believe there are no certified Mikrotik systems out there it would not be in your best interest to start off with such a system. Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: The first thing I'd do in a case like that, is use an FCC approved system to start with. The fact that you don't plan to leaves you open for controversy from the beginning. Why would you do anything else? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ? We're looking to provide service to a school nearby, using Mikrotik and SR5 / SR9 cards. Anyone have proposals to a school with info in it addressing the issue of will you fry our children ? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Scott, The SBC would not be a transmitter without the mPCI wireless card now would it. The SBC would be the host device. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Scott Reed wrote: Right, for the transmitter. That is the mPCI card that goes in the laptop. I am talking about the laptop itself. Laptop = SBC = WRAP = RB = ??? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Scott, In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular transmitter and the antenna. If you did not include these parts what would you be certifying exactly? As quoted from said document; The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of Section 15.203 and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently attached or employ a “unique” antenna coupler (at all connections between the module and the antenna, including the cable). Any antenna used with the module must be approved with the module, either at the time of initial authorization or through a Class II permissive change. The “professional installation” provision of Section 15.203 may not be applied to modules. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Scott Reed wrote: And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card vendor is certified with. From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional questions. If we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP usable antennae in its certification then: 1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC certified as a base unit and we could put the card in it? 2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still certified if it is in a box? Here is what I am thinking. If we would get an SBC certified bare as a base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever enclosure we want to use. The FCC seems to be interested in RF noise being emitted. I don't think there are very many enclosures that increase the RF output, so if a bare SBC is certified, putting it in a box shouldn't negate the certification. That would be like saying I can't put my laptop in a suitcase if the laptop is powered on. If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of us use in our operations certified may not be as hard as once thought. And if we can show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some of the antennae we use in their certifications, we may be able to legally use a lot more equipment. Jack Unger wrote: Scott, I believe that your comments are substantially correct. The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that very few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have certified them with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. I don't think this 2nd Report and Order changes that. Also, remember that the software used must limit operation of the complete system only to those frequencies and power levels that are legal in the U.S. jack Scott Reed wrote: I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not about split modular to be the part the refers to a PC. And I read it that if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the radio card is certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio card and antenna can be used. So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track. Jack is right, not any base, but I would read it that any certified base is doable. I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't bothered to find it. This makes sense. Ubiquiti certifies the CM9 card with a set of antennae. Dell certifies the laptop for a radio card. Putting a CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as it connects to an antenna, using the proper cable, that was certified with the CM9. Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a base unit, we should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the proper antenna and be good. The gotcha here is those sections of Part 15 I have not yet followed up on. I am not sure what the professional installer stuff is about. What am I missing or is this good news? Jack Unger wrote: Tim, I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying that a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any base unit. I think what the FCC is doing is: 1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a legal modular assembly is. 2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data inputs, and power supply regulation. 3. Clarifying the definition of what a split modular assembly is. 4. Defining the (somewhat flexible) requirements that a split modular assembly must meet. Although a motherboard will certainly contain an operating system, I don't think that a mini PCI radio plugged into any motherboard meets the FCC's definition of a split modular assembly. I think the FCC considers a split modular assembly to be where circuitry that today would be contained on a single modular assembly is (now or in the future) split between two different
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
John, The FCC should not have to bribe Wireless Providers for this information. If Wireless Providers are serious about playing in this field then they should fill out the proper paperwork they are asked to file. If not then they will have to pay the price of not being looked as serious players and not given the time of day. With little to no market share, why would the FCC even pick up the phone? They have been more than generous to meet with WISPA as often as they have. Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Thomas wrote: It just seems that if the information is important, the FCC should be willing to put their money where their mouth is. I don't know who would actually put up the money. John Peter R. wrote: I think many (half?) don't even know that they have to file. Many don't understand CALEA or know that they need to comply. So $500... it would probably get you about 400 more, but who will pony up the $200k? Peter John Thomas wrote: Pete, you hit on an interesting idea. What if the FCC were to pay the ISP say $500 each year to fill out the 477? Would more ISP's participate? John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Scott, The wireless card and antenna has to be present to be certified with the SBC. Without the card and the antenna the SBC cannot be certified as a system. If we would get an SBC certified bare as a base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever enclosure we want to use. As I understood it, your initial post was to certify the board and the enclosure with no wireless device and antenna in hopes of using any combination of cards and antenna. If I misunderstood what you were trying to say I apologize. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Scott Reed wrote: Actually, the SBC is never an intentional radiator. The added card is. As I read, and Tim says the same thing in a later post, we need the SBCs certified the same as laptops. Certified as non-intentional radiators that accept intential radiators that are certified. Isn't that what the presented ruling says can happen? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Scott, The SBC would not be a transmitter without the mPCI wireless card now would it. The SBC would be the host device. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Scott Reed wrote: Right, for the transmitter. That is the mPCI card that goes in the laptop. I am talking about the laptop itself. Laptop = SBC = WRAP = RB = ??? Dawn DiPietro wrote: Scott, In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular transmitter and the antenna. If you did not include these parts what would you be certifying exactly? As quoted from said document; The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of Section 15.203 and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently attached or employ a “unique” antenna coupler (at all connections between the module and the antenna, including the cable). Any antenna used with the module must be approved with the module, either at the time of initial authorization or through a Class II permissive change. The “professional installation” provision of Section 15.203 may not be applied to modules. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Scott Reed wrote: And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card vendor is certified with. From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional questions. If we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP usable antennae in its certification then: 1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC certified as a base unit and we could put the card in it? 2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still certified if it is in a box? Here is what I am thinking. If we would get an SBC certified bare as a base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever enclosure we want to use. The FCC seems to be interested in RF noise being emitted. I don't think there are very many enclosures that increase the RF output, so if a bare SBC is certified, putting it in a box shouldn't negate the certification. That would be like saying I can't put my laptop in a suitcase if the laptop is powered on. If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of us use in our operations certified may not be as hard as once thought. And if we can show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some of the antennae we use in their certifications, we may be able to legally use a lot more equipment. Jack Unger wrote: Scott, I believe that your comments are substantially correct. The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that very few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have certified them with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. I don't think this 2nd Report and Order changes that. Also, remember that the software used must limit operation of the complete system only to those frequencies and power levels that are legal in the U.S. jack Scott Reed wrote: I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not about split modular to be the part the refers to a PC. And I read it that if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the radio card is certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio card and antenna can be used. So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track. Jack is right, not any base, but I would read it that any certified base is doable. I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't bothered to find it. This makes sense. Ubiquiti certifies the CM9 card with a set of antennae. Dell certifies the laptop for a radio card. Putting a CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as it connects to an antenna, using the proper cable, that was certified with the CM9. Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a base unit, we should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the proper antenna and be good. The gotcha here is those sections of Part 15 I have not yet followed up on. I am not sure what the professional installer stuff is about. What am I missing or is this good news? Jack
Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?
Mark, At this point you are beating a dead horse. We know how you feel about the government and following the laws put in place for your protection. But to be honest with you this is getting old. We need to change the focus of this conversation on how to comply with these rules not how much we should disregard them. I doubt civil disobedience will work in this case not with the small number of WISP's we are talking about here. If this type of discussion keeps this up the FCC could just regulate the WISP industry out of existence. I doubt that is what your end goal is. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I think Steve's point was to contrast Patrick Henry's determination with some people's attitude that resistance is futile. Frankly, I think EVERY WISP should file that they are NOT compliant and have no prospect of being. The FCC would simply be snowed under attempting to deal with HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS of individual cases and would end up having to make some kind of change in the way they do business. I don't know how many people work there, but for them to adequately deal with 500, 1000, or even 10,000 cannot comply filings, well, I KNOW they can't.This would force changes in the way they expect to deal with such a diverse and LARGE group.They're used to regulating industries with a handful of players. For them to take on regulating an industry with more operators than telephone companies, radio stations, and cell phone operators combined is a challenge far beyond what I think they had any inkling they would be required to do. - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? On 4/26/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeromie Reeves wrote: On 4/19/07, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as Patrick Henry once said Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Who is Patrick Henry?? Didn't Patrick Henry say Give me liberty or give me death? Yes he did. Your chopping off my sarcasm tag misrepresents my words. The quote in my email was also by Patrick Henry. Steve attributed Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. to Mr. Henry but I do not remember him ever saying it (course I was a bit young back in the 1700's and my memory is not what it once was.). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP Peering
Jory, I am not sure what you are trying to do with the other WISP's in your area. Can you a little more clear on what you are thinking of? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Jory Privett wrote: There are several WISP in my area I was wanting to talk to some of them about bandwidth peering. I know that most will not want anything to do with it since they refuse to co-operate in any other way but I wanted to make the effort. Has anyone else done this type of thing? What paperwork needs to be done to protect each company? How do you control throughput to and from each network and routing issues? Any help her would be greatly appreciated. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS?
Mark, So this means you thumb your nose at the FCC when they put regulations into place? The FCC is not in place to make life easy for you it is there to protect the airwaves from being polluted from every guy that knows something about wireless and slapping computers together. Sorry if this sounds a little crude but with all the discussion lately the attitude seems to be make it easy for me so I can be a player and handicap the competition. This does not make it an even playing field in any way shape or form. The Telcos/Cableco's have to be compliant as does the little guy. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mark McElvy wrote: I may not agree with everything Mark is saying, but CALEA is more about Gov't control and convenience than our protection. Running a small business is hard enough without being regulated into oblivion. Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] LEMMINGS? Mark, At this point you are beating a dead horse. We know how you feel about the government and following the laws put in place for your protection. But to be honest with you this is getting old. We need to change the focus of this conversation on how to comply with these rules not how much we should disregard them. I doubt civil disobedience will work in this case not with the small number of WISP's we are talking about here. If this type of discussion keeps this up the FCC could just regulate the WISP industry out of existence. I doubt that is what your end goal is. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?
Mark, Justify it anyway you like. Civil disobedience is not a viable solution. I don't see a large number of people stepping up to the plate and defending your position. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Wow. I guess the title really is right. When I participated in the debates about who was a WISP, and who could join WISPA, we were very broad, and included community networks, free networks, big and small operators.. including the guy who is just a hobby type network operator, but provides connection to his small town, community, neighborhood, or even just block. Now we've decided that the only people who count are the big guys. The professionals? A few hundred?I know that lots of people didn't file 477 so that they could hide when the next thing came out... And it was no time at all. What will happen when the next mandate comes? Will you start referencing the scores of WISP's? After the next one will it be the dozens? Marlon thinks there's 10,000 of us. I think there's 20K of us, including all the wide array of informal, hobby, free, or otherwise not set up an advertised for profit ISP. So, we just toss all them to the wolves to feed on first, before they get to us? You KNOW that the vast majority of these things are theoretically covered by CALEA, but will never file a single thing, won't have any ability to assist law enforcement, and will continue operating under the radar, possibly getting destroyed one by one as circumstances bring them to light. So, you think that the FCC is going OUTLAW delivering internet via wireless because we discuss tactics about how to get them to face reality? I don't advocate lying to anyone. If you can, by george, file you can. But for the rest of us.. File you can't. And I'd encourage EVERY ONE OF THOSE 15-20K network operators to do the same. Create the logjam that teaches regulators when they've done wrong. This is the most basic tenet of democracy I can think of. There is no holiness to the government or to law they write. It does not come from God to them to us.All are subject to negotiation and resistance by the governed. I WILL DO JUST THAT, because I can't without changing my network. But, I'll just be offering my farewell email to the list soon UNLESS we stick together, and unless WISPA and everyone else starts telling them to back off and that the vast majority of operators actually cannot reasonably comply. As far as I can tell, the only informal WISPA communication was that we can! And if they shut me down... what will WISPA's stance be? oh, he was a renegade? That looks like what you all want to do. AT least the public list won't be cluttered with noise about trying to save the WISP industry from exinction.Sheesh. Who cares about that radical issue? I have written over and over and over that this isn't about me, nor my views on the right or wrong... but about our industry and DEFENDING IT.And it appears the biggest fight WISPA wants to have is the one to shut up those who want to save their own skin, plus that of their fellow intrepid operators. I would encourage you to sit down and read the last FCC published document on the topic of CALEA. You need to understand that what we are supposedly working on as compliance is not fixed AT ALL. Just becoming presently compliant is not a gauranteed long term or future solution. The FCC reserves the right to mandate PRECISELY what we are doing, and even in the future to demand certification of the equipment we use. They are resisting that now, but but as history shows and the fact that they're trying to force CALEA compliance on us, that they're as bendable as a willow in the wind. This is not, as some people are attempting to portray it a minor, one time bump in the road. It's going to get bigger and it's going to continue to be a source of heartburn even for those who can comply now. All of this is a trial run (my words, not theirs) to see how well it works. If the results...after we re-build, restructure, or in some cases, do very little... aren't satisfactory, they can revisit and impose HUGE mandates that would bury pretty much every WISP except perhaps a few of the multi-million dollar ones. And that revisit is not determined by the FCC's opinion, it's going to be in consultation with the DOJ and FBI, who wanted MUCH more, and may very well get MUCH more, unless we start making the case this is bad law, policy, and the wrong approach. We cannot consider CALEA issues dealt with and just go back to business as usual, because the deadline passes and we have something that works under the guidelines. I predict that the deadline will pass and only those who have a c ontract with a TTP and a couple of router manufacturers will actually have full compliance. That will be only some of the hundreds we're talking about right now.I further predict that in a year or two, further mandates about CALEA will come along
[WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commiss ion’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment app roval
All, I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to the list. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Mike, Where did you get that idea? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I thought that was put in to effect a year or two ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into ANY base unit and be certified? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for? Tim - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval All, I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to the list. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Mike, Any chance you could provide a link to the document you are talking about? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: It had been discussed on the Part 15 lists for that time and I remember reading an FCC publication about it a while ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval Mike, Where did you get that idea? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: I thought that was put in to effect a year or two ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into ANY base unit and be certified? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for? Tim - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval All, I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to the list. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Marlon, I think I know where the confusion comes in but I will need to do some more reading before I will comment on whether you are correct or not. You may be correct in your assumption but there might be some confusion about what this recent document actually refers to. Stay tuned...;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Nope. Not what it says. It's very specific about the antenna AND cabling used. What it means is that if you build a laptop (or some such device) and wish to slap in an atheros vs. prism rf section you can do that without having to recertify the whole shebang. They SPECIFICALLY excluded the professional installer gear on this. That means anything with an n connector is out. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tim Kerns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into ANY base unit and be certified? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for? Tim - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval All, I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to the list. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Part s 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval
Scott, In order for the system to be certified it must include the modular transmitter and the antenna. If you did not include these parts what would you be certifying exactly? As quoted from said document; The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of Section 15.203 and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently attached or employ a “unique” antenna coupler (at all connections between the module and the antenna, including the cable). Any antenna used with the module must be approved with the module, either at the time of initial authorization or through a Class II permissive change. The “professional installation” provision of Section 15.203 may not be applied to modules. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Scott Reed wrote: And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card vendor is certified with. From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional questions. If we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP usable antennae in its certification then: 1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC certified as a base unit and we could put the card in it? 2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still certified if it is in a box? Here is what I am thinking. If we would get an SBC certified bare as a base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever enclosure we want to use. The FCC seems to be interested in RF noise being emitted. I don't think there are very many enclosures that increase the RF output, so if a bare SBC is certified, putting it in a box shouldn't negate the certification. That would be like saying I can't put my laptop in a suitcase if the laptop is powered on. If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of us use in our operations certified may not be as hard as once thought. And if we can show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some of the antennae we use in their certifications, we may be able to legally use a lot more equipment. Jack Unger wrote: Scott, I believe that your comments are substantially correct. The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that very few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have certified them with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. I don't think this 2nd Report and Order changes that. Also, remember that the software used must limit operation of the complete system only to those frequencies and power levels that are legal in the U.S. jack Scott Reed wrote: I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not about split modular to be the part the refers to a PC. And I read it that if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the radio card is certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio card and antenna can be used. So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track. Jack is right, not any base, but I would read it that any certified base is doable. I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't bothered to find it. This makes sense. Ubiquiti certifies the CM9 card with a set of antennae. Dell certifies the laptop for a radio card. Putting a CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as it connects to an antenna, using the proper cable, that was certified with the CM9. Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a base unit, we should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the proper antenna and be good. The gotcha here is those sections of Part 15 I have not yet followed up on. I am not sure what the professional installer stuff is about. What am I missing or is this good news? Jack Unger wrote: Tim, I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying that a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any base unit. I think what the FCC is doing is: 1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a legal modular assembly is. 2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data inputs, and power supply regulation. 3. Clarifying the definition of what a split modular assembly is. 4. Defining the (somewhat flexible) requirements that a split modular assembly must meet. Although a motherboard will certainly contain an operating system, I don't think that a mini PCI radio plugged into any motherboard meets the FCC's definition of a split modular assembly. I think the FCC considers a split modular assembly to be where circuitry that today would be contained on a single modular assembly is (now or in the future) split between two different physical assemblies. This splitting allows more equipment design flexibility because one transmitter control element (the new term that the FCC formerly called the module firmware) could theoretically be interfaced with and control more than one radio front end (the amplifier and antenna-connecting) section. Of course, that's just my
[WISPA] The OECD just released its broadband stats for December.
All, http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html * The breakdown of broadband technologies in December 2006 is as follows: - DSL : 62% - Cable modem : 29% - FTTH/FTTB : 7% - Other (e.g. satellite, fixed wireless, powerline communication) : 2% Wireless Providers have made some improvements in market share but not enough to say they are a force to be reckoned with. Canada has a lower population density than the US yet they still kicked butt in broadband penetration. Broadband penetration Population density (subscribers per 100 inhabitants, Dec. 2006)(inhab/km2, 2005) Canada 23.8 3.0 United States19.6 32.0 More interesting facts from the link below; http://www.oecd.org/document/7/0,2340,en_2649_34223_38446855_1_1_1_1,00.html Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps
Rick, Can you tell me if this system you suggested is FCC Certified? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Smith, Rick wrote: use an XR5 (ubiquity) card as radios, with mikrotik, a 24 dbi panel on the aesthetic end from pac wireless. 3' dish on the other end. You'll have more than enough margin. Don't ever ever ever use an amp on anything. you only amplify your problems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 7:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps I'm needing to do a 14-mile link at 5.8GHz. I will have to use a 15-or-so flat panel antenna due to building owner's asthetics requirements. On this 8-story building, I'll mount to the side of the masonry, then I'll have about 25 feet of LMR-400 from the antenna to a weatherproof enclosure with 110v power. On the other side I'll be 100' up on a tower on a hilltop, and I can use a higher-gain antenna. I believe I'll have to use an amplifier to achieve this. Soo... A) Am I incorrect about this? B) If I'm correct, what 5GHz amps have you found to be effective? C) Opinions on using regular or bi-directional amps? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Banned from list
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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA
Ralph, As quoted from the link below; Google distributed the devices to businesses and apartment complexes in Mountain View that were having trouble connecting to the city's free wireless system. http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/26/technology/pluggedin_lashinsky_google.fortune/index.htm Regards, Dawn DiPietro ralph wrote: Dawn- Google already has a Tropos network they built in Mt View. I have seen and used it. Why would they want to do something with Meraki? Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA Marlon, Google invested in Meraki because they want to use these units to build out a mesh network in Mt.View. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition
Marlon, The projections for municipal wireless networks are about 300 but you cannot say this number will add 300 Wireless Providers to the total number of WISP's. Some providers of these networks could run more than one municipality. I am sure some of these providers are already counted in your figure so there would be no bearing on whether they built a municipal network or not. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: There were 12,000 on the rolls. The largest single count was 6000. I assumed a 75% overlap to be on the safe side. But with a high of 6000 at ONE company, there's no way to have overlap on that 6000. The real number in 2004 was somewhere around that 6000 mark. And for your 40% that are gone, how many new are out there that we've not heard about yet. How many muni networks are out there? They too are wisps. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband Competition And that was 2004. I'm not arguing just to argue. This is a soapbox, so delete and move on if you want. When you go to the Feds and say that there are 6000 and only 400 have reported, that doesn't bode well for anyone. It makes the Feds nervous. It shines an ugly light on this so-called Industry. As Powell has stated it is way easier to deal with 12 companies using the same platforms than 1000's using many platforms. And Gonzo and K-Mart feel the same way (since they take their cues from the Roving 3). And when the gov't wants control and CALEA and surveillance and etc. and they can't get cooperation from this Industry, what do you think will happen? They will pick up a pen and wipe it out. But, Marlon, as I mentioned off-list, going through my Florida ISP database, about 40% are gone and some that are in business are not an ISP any longer. - Peter Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Except that the SAME wisps were dealing with the top 5 or 6 vendors, so your count is quite inflated. Lonnie On 4/20/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you missed it in an earlier email. I called the top 5 or 6 vendors in the WISP space and pestered them till they told me how many providers they had on the books as WISPs. MUCH more accurate than the 477 and a similar or more comprehensive effort by the FCC would take someone all over a day or two. That help? Marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!
Tim, It's cool, I am sure you are busy with all that you do during the week. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Tim Wolfe wrote: And they said Ken was to old for that kind of stuff, But I always new he had it in him (sorry for the late reply, I just read this now) Dawn DiPietro wrote: Scriv, There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Dawn, Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way? Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me as it will be a few months before I can have any. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a cow pasture. http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751 I'm just east of the big gravel pile. www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100. I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race. There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900. Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke. marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] State Lawmakers Want To Limit Internet Porn Access
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Re: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAXtechnology
Holy cow, I posted that back in December. Thank you for the update, Patrick. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Patrick Leary wrote: If you note the date, you can see this is a few months old. They now have 2.5 GHz gear. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAXtechnology Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology By kpaul, Section BSU Posted on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:46:47 AM EST By Anthony Romano MUNCIE, IN - The wireless world will be watching Ball State's Office of Wireless Research and Mapping (OWRM) closely as it becomes among the first to test and deploy WiMAX technology in the United States. Using a six-month experimental license granted by the FCC, the OWRM is partnering with Alvarion and Digital Bridge Communications to test WiMAX technology on equipment at 3.5GHz, a frequency used outside of the United States. Testing is being done at this higher frequency because there is currently no equipment available for testing at 2.5 GHz, a frequency that will be used to provide broadband services such as cell phones and Internet in the United States in the coming months. The goal is to find out as much about this technology as possible, and then begin sharing the information with others who are anxiously awaiting for 2.5GHz WiMAX technology to arrive, said O'Neal Smitherman, Ball State's vice president for information technology. Researchers from OWRM are putting the WiMAX technology through a variety of tests in order to find out more about connectivity, throughput, capacity, signal strength and penetration inside the home under variables such as weather, trees, elevation and distance. Smitherman says several telecommunications companies have already expressed interest in the test results because of valuable information it will provide in the future development of broadband services to more rural and underserved areas of the country. Through testing and deployment over the next 90 days, we will be able to examine the performance of the WiMAX platform based on the IEEE 802.16 standard, as well as have an opportunity to fine tune our GIS mapping capability using real data, said Smitherman. This will give us the data needed to accurately predict and map signal coverage anywhere. Digital Bridge Communications, a provider of broadband wireless services to rural and underserved communities, will assist the OWRM in the testing and deployment of true WiMAX technology. Equipment being used for testing comes from Alvarion, the world's largest manufacturer of wireless broadband. Afterimage GIS, a company that specializes in RF modeling, design and market analysis will also assist in the study. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAXtechnology
Dee, I find that there are so many claiming to be the first so at least they make it sound like it's not the same old thing, even if it is. ;-) So I guess claims like that have to be taken with a grain of salt in my opinion. This is part of the reason I don't post such and such a city is putting up a wireless network anymore. As I like to put it yet another city is deploying a wifi network. It is not really newsworthy anymore unless they ARE doing something revolutionary. Regards, Dawn DiPietro W.D.McKinney wrote: So with BellSouth having Navini in 2.3GHz and ATT Alascom having Alvarion BreezeMAX, who was the first to have a full fledged 802.16x deployment? Among the fist is easy to say. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:07:53 -0800 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAXtechnology If you note the date, you can see this is a few months old. They now have 2.5 GHz gear. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAXtechnology Ball State receives FCC approval to test and deploy WiMAX technology By kpaul, Section BSU Posted on Sat Dec 09, 2006 at 11:46:47 AM EST By Anthony Romano MUNCIE, IN - The wireless world will be watching Ball State's Office of Wireless Research and Mapping (OWRM) closely as it becomes among the first to test and deploy WiMAX technology in the United States. Using a six-month experimental license granted by the FCC, the OWRM is partnering with Alvarion and Digital Bridge Communications to test WiMAX technology on equipment at 3.5GHz, a frequency used outside of the United States. Testing is being done at this higher frequency because there is currently no equipment available for testing at 2.5 GHz, a frequency that will be used to provide broadband services such as cell phones and Internet in the United States in the coming months. The goal is to find out as much about this technology as possible, and then begin sharing the information with others who are anxiously awaiting for 2.5GHz WiMAX technology to arrive, said O'Neal Smitherman, Ball State's vice president for information technology. Researchers from OWRM are putting the WiMAX technology through a variety of tests in order to find out more about connectivity, throughput, capacity, signal strength and penetration inside the home under variables such as weather, trees, elevation and distance. Smitherman says several telecommunications companies have already expressed interest in the test results because of valuable information it will provide in the future development of broadband services to more rural and underserved areas of the country. Through testing and deployment over the next 90 days, we will be able to examine the performance of the WiMAX platform based on the IEEE 802.16 standard, as well as have an opportunity to fine tune our GIS mapping capability using real data, said Smitherman. This will give us the data needed to accurately predict and map signal coverage anywhere. Digital Bridge Communications, a provider of broadband wireless services to rural and underserved communities, will assist the OWRM in the testing and deployment of true WiMAX technology. Equipment being used for testing comes from Alvarion, the world's largest manufacturer of wireless broadband. Afterimage GIS, a company that specializes in RF modeling, design and market analysis will also assist in the study. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure
Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!
Marlon, I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me as it will be a few months before I can have any. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a cow pasture. http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751 I'm just east of the big gravel pile. www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100. I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race. There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900. Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke. marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!
Scriv, There will be another DiPietro around to one day troll the lists. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Dawn, Is that a hint that there is a new baby DiPietro on the way? Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, I am glad you are FINALLY taking some well deserved time off. Good luck to the kids and no broken bones please. ;-) Have a rum and coke for me as it will be a few months before I can have any. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a cow pasture. http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751 I'm just east of the big gravel pile. www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100. I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race. There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900. Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke. marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Marlon Schafer Day!
Scriv, He could have picked a better day, considering this is Friday the 13th. Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Sounds like a good time Marlon. You have worked your tail end off lately. Have some fun. Enjoy YOUR day! I hereby proclaim this day, April 13th, to be Marlon Schafer Day in the WISP world. Not that my proclamations mean anything! :-) We'll see if anyone remembers this one next year. Happy Marlon Schafer Day! Who knows, maybe this will spread! Scriv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a cow pasture. http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751 I'm just east of the big gravel pile. www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100. I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race. There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900. Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke. marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
Ron, I understand your concern but if you want to play in this game you have follow the same laws as everyone else. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
George, I do understand this list does not get to see everything that goes on with WISPA but this also does not mean that we should see documents that are a work in progress with and shown as if it were a finished product. It could give a bad impression on potential members and make them think this organization does not have it's act together. As you can see with no updates on this document one can easily come to conclusions on what actually happened to this document. Either this list be kept up to date on progress with no input or not at all and they see the final document and that is it. No where in the post did the document say it was a work in progress. Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: membership has it's privileges! :) :) :) George Rogato wrote: Dawn DiPietro wrote: Scriv, The only document I saw was the word doc named wispa calea fbi q and a which was posted to the public list on March 31. If there has been work done on it since then the public list did not get a chance to see it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Thats right Dawn, the public list is the one with the least of the privileges. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA info
Marlon, Below are just a few typos I found on this very informative WISPA CALEA FAQ. Last paragraph section 1; There are 2 periods at the end of the first sentence. Section 9; Should it be hash or Hash? Question 2 Section 18; Asymmetric is spelled wrong. Last paragraph Section 18; Can anyone tell me what is wrong with the following sentence? This may indeed mean that you have to get a USB drive and hang it on the collection server They will work with us. You are right that this document was worked on since it was posted on the WISPA public list and it is a bummer you missed these last few typos. I would like to thank everyone that took time out of their already busy lives to get answers for the complicated questions regarding CALEA compliance. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Hi All, Alex has posted a lot of new CALEA info on www.isp-planet.com today. Pay particular attention to the WISPA CALEA FAQ. We sent a team to Quantico to get answers to the common questions we saw people ask. Hope this helps, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
Marlon, Ok, maybe I have not seen the latest iteration of the document you posted to the list. The one I saw had misspellings and punctuation errors. So if that is not the same document I apologize. To say it was a bummer if you missed something is not the right attitude to take either. This day and age there is no reason why any document should have misspellings though. I have no doubts the committee worked hard on this issue. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dawn, That doc was approved for dispersal by the FBI. There's not much in the way of edits that we can make without spoiling it's FBI approved status. And we did proof it. Many times. If we missed something that's a bummer. But it certainly doesn't take anything away from the content or it's accuracy. The team worked very hard to get this info together and they deserve lot of attaboys not nit picking. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this committee has the time to do the job right or not at all. If something is done half assed then it will show in the finished product. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Grin. As well as we can with the time available. If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know. thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the website. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and gal) for doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing alone makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I probably would not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without the help of WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this work, so all I can say is thanks. Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA website so that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share this info with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the larger community. Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the contact info of the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance. Best regards, Adam --- Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Hi All, As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the FBI's CALEA team first hand. We went down with a compilation of most of the questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find. Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between WISPs and the FBI's CALEA team. As you can see, there is NO reason to panic. There is NO data storage requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific warrant. There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc. Heck, they won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have! I hope people sleep better after having read this. Special thanks to Mike, Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and hours that they have put into this doc. Not to mention the money and time they put into the trip to Virginia! Great job guys (and gal), many many thanks. The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May. There are a couple of mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant very quickly and without going broke in the process. Image Stream has been deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that WISPA is working on in regards to CALEA. As is Butch Evens. Both have
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
Scriv, The only document I saw was the word doc named wispa calea fbi q and a which was posted to the public list on March 31. If there has been work done on it since then the public list did not get a chance to see it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Dawn, Let's get constructive about this please. I saw this document edited, debated, discussed and refined continuously several times by several people over at the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. This document was not a flippant attempt at resolving the issues. It was the culmination of a great deal of work by many people here and I applaud the effort. Dawn, please send us a post with the document you saw the errors in and comment where changes are needed and we will make them. Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, Ok, maybe I have not seen the latest iteration of the document you posted to the list. The one I saw had misspellings and punctuation errors. So if that is not the same document I apologize. To say it was a bummer if you missed something is not the right attitude to take either. This day and age there is no reason why any document should have misspellings though. I have no doubts the committee worked hard on this issue. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Dawn, That doc was approved for dispersal by the FBI. There's not much in the way of edits that we can make without spoiling it's FBI approved status. And we did proof it. Many times. If we missed something that's a bummer. But it certainly doesn't take anything away from the content or it's accuracy. The team worked very hard to get this info together and they deserve lot of attaboys not nit picking. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this committee has the time to do the job right or not at all. If something is done half assed then it will show in the finished product. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Grin. As well as we can with the time available. If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know. thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the website. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and gal) for doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing alone makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I probably would not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without the help of WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this work, so all I can say is thanks. Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA website so that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share this info with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the larger community. Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the contact info of the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance. Best regards, Adam --- Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Hi All, As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the FBI's CALEA team first hand. We went down with a compilation of most of the questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find. Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between WISPs and the FBI's CALEA team. As you can see, there is NO reason to panic. There is NO data storage requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific warrant
Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)
Mac, Ken is speaking at ISPCON and we are both going to be there. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mac Dearman wrote: Dawn, Are you and Ken going to ISPCON? Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows) All, I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and will keep you all posted. There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference hotel about 2 miles on International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so some input from Peter would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-) Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the extra curricular. Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the conversation for the most part. An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the conference would probably help to get more people together after hours. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Peter R. wrote: I'll tell you what... I'll actually put a social schedule together for the event. A dinner, some poker, a peer to peer. And if anyone wants it, hit me up in May. (Don't forget to send in why you should get a free pass). Also, if you are bringing the family and want help with where to stay, what to do, etc. Hit me up off-list. Condos and homes (3BR/2BA) are available for rent in Orlando reasonably. Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Jeff Broadwick wrote: That might not be all bad! :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows) The poker game would have been a lot better if someone would have had actual chips. ;) It may be that I knew fewer people at that last 2 ISPCONs but it seemed to me that the WISPCON folks do a lot more socializing than the ISPCON crowd does. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
Marlon, I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the website. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and gal) for doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing alone makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I probably would not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without the help of WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this work, so all I can say is thanks. Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA website so that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share this info with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the larger community. Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the contact info of the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance. Best regards, Adam --- Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Hi All, As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the FBI's CALEA team first hand. We went down with a compilation of most of the questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find. Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between WISPs and the FBI's CALEA team. As you can see, there is NO reason to panic. There is NO data storage requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific warrant. There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc. Heck, they won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have! I hope people sleep better after having read this. Special thanks to Mike, Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and hours that they have put into this doc. Not to mention the money and time they put into the trip to Virginia! Great job guys (and gal), many many thanks. The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May. There are a couple of mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant very quickly and without going broke in the process. Image Stream has been deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that WISPA is working on in regards to CALEA. As is Butch Evens. Both have solutions that should work for folks if you get a warrant issued before the rest of the things we're working on are finished up. I'll release more info on what we're doing at the association level as soon as I can. Please know though, we have some very bright people deeply involved in things related to CALEA and it's impact on our businesses. The next phases will take several months though. Sincerely, Marlon K. Schafer FCC Committee Chairman www.wispa.org -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orlando
All, Below is a link to the first review I came across on Maggiano’s Little Italy. To summarize, the restaurant critic mentions that the pasta was waterlogged and the desserts were ok but not great. Maybe he was just having a bad night. ;-) There are a couple of other Italian restaurants in the area but they are pricey. http://orlandocitybeat.metromix.com/restaurants/orlent-restaurants-dinner-maggiano-s,0,7310723.story?coll=orlnatent-rest-headlines Peter do you have any thoughts on this? Have you had a different experience with this restaurant? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Peter R. wrote: I'll take Sam's advice and pre-plan. Couple of notes: The ISPCON is at the Rosen Centre Hotel @ 9840 International Drive, Orlando, Florida 32819, not to be confused with the Rosen Plaza Hotel @ 9700 International Drive. Use Kayak.com to find your best room rate near here. There are two entertainment spots within 2 miles on International Drive: Pointe Orlando (http://www.pointeorlando.com/) and the Mercado. (There's a trolley available on International Drive, but traffic is so deep, walking can be faster). How about dinner on May 23 at Maggiano’s Little Italy? After dinner there are many bars available in the Pointe Orlando complex. (On May 24 is ISP-CEO). Why attend the show? The exhibits and the education. Lots of case studies are being lined up for this one. Hope to see you there. RSVP for the dinner so I can save a private room. Regards, Peter Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and will keep you all posted. There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference hotel about 2 miles on International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so some input from Peter would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-) Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the extra curricular. Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the conversation for the most part. An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the conference would probably help to get more people together after hours. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orlando
Charles, Thank you for your sharing your experience with the list. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Charles Wu wrote: Maggiono's is a fun place to go to Bring a minimum of 4 people so you can qualify for the family dinner -- and then make sure you bring your appetite =) -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orlando All, Below is a link to the first review I came across on Maggiano's Little Italy. To summarize, the restaurant critic mentions that the pasta was waterlogged and the desserts were ok but not great. Maybe he was just having a bad night. ;-) There are a couple of other Italian restaurants in the area but they are pricey. http://orlandocitybeat.metromix.com/restaurants/orlent-restaurants-dinne r-maggiano-s,0,7310723.story?coll=orlnatent-rest-headlines Peter do you have any thoughts on this? Have you had a different experience with this restaurant? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Peter R. wrote: I'll take Sam's advice and pre-plan. Couple of notes: The ISPCON is at the Rosen Centre Hotel @ 9840 International Drive, Orlando, Florida 32819, not to be confused with the Rosen Plaza Hotel @ 9700 International Drive. Use Kayak.com to find your best room rate near here. There are two entertainment spots within 2 miles on International Drive: Pointe Orlando (http://www.pointeorlando.com/) and the Mercado. (There's a trolley available on International Drive, but traffic is so deep, walking can be faster). How about dinner on May 23 at Maggiano's Little Italy? After dinner there are many bars available in the Pointe Orlando complex. (On May 24 is ISP-CEO). Why attend the show? The exhibits and the education. Lots of case studies are being lined up for this one. Hope to see you there. RSVP for the dinner so I can save a private room. Regards, Peter Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and will keep you all posted. There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference hotel about 2 miles on International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so some input from Peter would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-) Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the extra curricular. Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the conversation for the most part. An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the conference would probably help to get more people together after hours. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orlando
Peter, You are so right about critics and that is why I asked what your thoughts were. Thank you! As far as I know we plan to attend. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Peter R. wrote: Maggiano's isn't the best Italian restaurant, but we have eaten at the Tampa one a number of times. It works best for groups, since you can get the family style - and bottomless dishes. Remember this about reviews: People are more likely to complain than compliment. I suggested Maggiano's because it was close, relatively inexpensive, and everyone leaves full. Peter Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, Below is a link to the first review I came across on Maggiano’s Little Italy. To summarize, the restaurant critic mentions that the pasta was waterlogged and the desserts were ok but not great. Maybe he was just having a bad night. ;-) There are a couple of other Italian restaurants in the area but they are pricey. http://orlandocitybeat.metromix.com/restaurants/orlent-restaurants-dinner-maggiano-s,0,7310723.story?coll=orlnatent-rest-headlines Peter do you have any thoughts on this? Have you had a different experience with this restaurant? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Peter R. wrote: I'll take Sam's advice and pre-plan. Couple of notes: The ISPCON is at the Rosen Centre Hotel @ 9840 International Drive, Orlando, Florida 32819, not to be confused with the Rosen Plaza Hotel @ 9700 International Drive. Use Kayak.com to find your best room rate near here. There are two entertainment spots within 2 miles on International Drive: Pointe Orlando (http://www.pointeorlando.com/) and the Mercado. (There's a trolley available on International Drive, but traffic is so deep, walking can be faster). How about dinner on May 23 at Maggiano’s Little Italy? After dinner there are many bars available in the Pointe Orlando complex. (On May 24 is ISP-CEO). Why attend the show? The exhibits and the education. Lots of case studies are being lined up for this one. Hope to see you there. RSVP for the dinner so I can save a private room. Regards, Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
Marlon, I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this committee has the time to do the job right or not at all. If something is done half assed then it will show in the finished product. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Grin. As well as we can with the time available. If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know. thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the website. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and gal) for doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing alone makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I probably would not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without the help of WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this work, so all I can say is thanks. Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA website so that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share this info with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the larger community. Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the contact info of the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance. Best regards, Adam --- Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Hi All, As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the FBI's CALEA team first hand. We went down with a compilation of most of the questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find. Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between WISPs and the FBI's CALEA team. As you can see, there is NO reason to panic. There is NO data storage requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific warrant. There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc. Heck, they won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have! I hope people sleep better after having read this. Special thanks to Mike, Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and hours that they have put into this doc. Not to mention the money and time they put into the trip to Virginia! Great job guys (and gal), many many thanks. The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May. There are a couple of mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant very quickly and without going broke in the process. Image Stream has been deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that WISPA is working on in regards to CALEA. As is Butch Evens. Both have solutions that should work for folks if you get a warrant issued before the rest of the things we're working on are finished up. I'll release more info on what we're doing at the association level as soon as I can. Please know though, we have some very bright people deeply involved in things related to CALEA and it's impact on our businesses. The next phases will take several months though. Sincerely, Marlon K. Schafer FCC Committee Chairman www.wispa.org -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
George, Sign me up and I will help where I can. Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: We need more help on the fcc committee. Dawn DiPietro wrote: Marlon, I am not on the WISPA FCC Committee and this should have been done before it got posted to the list to begin with. Either this committee has the time to do the job right or not at all. If something is done half assed then it will show in the finished product. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Grin. As well as we can with the time available. If you see things that need to be fixed, please let us know. thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, I do hope it was proofread and edited before it was posted to the website. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've asked that it be posted to the FCC committee part of the wispa site. When I get a link I'll pass it along. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Adam Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Marlon, All I can say is, this is great. Thanks so much to you guys (and gal) for doing this work. For me, this CALEA safe harbor work you are doing alone makes me feel justified in paying to be a member of WISPA. I probably would not even have become conscious in a serious way of CALEA without the help of WISPA. I expect our dues don't even cover your expenses for this work, so all I can say is thanks. Question: have you considered posting this document on the WISPA website so that we can publish links to it? For example, I'd like to share this info with opencalea.org mailing list; I think it would benefit them and the larger community. Also thanks to Clint for his recent posts, in particular the contact info of the fellow at the FBI who we can work with to test our compliance. Best regards, Adam --- Adam Greene VP, Operations Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net (845) 757-4000 x134 - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA Hi All, As many of you know, WISPA sent a team to Quantico to talk to the FBI's CALEA team first hand. We went down with a compilation of most of the questions that people had asked on all of the lists we could find. Here are the main questions and answers as worked out between WISPs and the FBI's CALEA team. As you can see, there is NO reason to panic. There is NO data storage requirement other than what's needed to deal with the specific warrant. There is no requirement to use an expensive TTP solution etc. Heck, they won't even toss you in jail for that free open hotspot you have! I hope people sleep better after having read this. Special thanks to Mike, Eric, Martha, Brent and Marty for all of the hours and hours and hours that they have put into this doc. Not to mention the money and time they put into the trip to Virginia! Great job guys (and gal), many many thanks. The deadline to be compliant is coming up in May. There are a couple of mechanisms that look like they'll allow you guys to be compliant very quickly and without going broke in the process. Image Stream has been deeply involved with this and a couple of other efforts that WISPA is working on in regards to CALEA. As is Butch Evens. Both have solutions that should work for folks if you get a warrant issued before the rest of the things we're working on are finished up. I'll release more info on what we're doing at the association level as soon as I can. Please know though, we have some very bright people deeply involved in things related to CALEA and it's impact on our businesses. The next phases will take several months though. Sincerely, Marlon K. Schafer FCC Committee Chairman www.wispa.org -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] the straight scoop on CALEA
Oh great...now you tell me. ;-) George Rogato wrote: Dawn DiPietro wrote: George, Sign me up and I will help where I can. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Anyone who has interest in the fcc committee has to go through Marlon who chairs that committee. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) 42846865 (icq) [EMAIL PROTECTED] George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)
Frank, It will be a pleasure to see you again also. I am sure this will be a great show. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Frank Muto wrote: Dawn, Looking forward to seeing the two of you again as well as everyone else. I will be in the LaunchPad Pavilion (J) promoting our Secure Email Plus with our partner provider Postini. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc www.SecureEmailPlus.com - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mac, Ken is speaking at ISPCON and we are both going to be there. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mac Dearman wrote: Dawn, Are you and Ken going to ISPCON? Mac Dearman -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows)
All, I have been working on that very issue for the last few weeks and will keep you all posted. There are a ton of choices of restaurants north of the conference hotel about 2 miles on International Drive but I have no prior experience with the area so some input from Peter would definitely be in order. A few places have complimentary shuttles. ;-) Suggestions from those who might be attending would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: Now I really wish I could make it in May with Peter planning the extra curricular. Honestly, I would avoid the poker as it really does kill the conversation for the most part. An organized dinner as well as finding a decent bar that is within walking distance of most of the hotels, both announced prior to the conference would probably help to get more people together after hours. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Peter R. wrote: I'll tell you what... I'll actually put a social schedule together for the event. A dinner, some poker, a peer to peer. And if anyone wants it, hit me up in May. (Don't forget to send in why you should get a free pass). Also, if you are bringing the family and want help with where to stay, what to do, etc. Hit me up off-list. Condos and homes (3BR/2BA) are available for rent in Orlando reasonably. Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Jeff Broadwick wrote: That might not be all bad! :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's (shows) The poker game would have been a lot better if someone would have had actual chips. ;) It may be that I knew fewer people at that last 2 ISPCONs but it seemed to me that the WISPCON folks do a lot more socializing than the ISPCON crowd does. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] one-third of U.S. households have noInternet...and donotplan to get it
Marlon, You were the one who said these businesses don't need the Internet not me. It was just for entertainment anyways. So don't make it look like I was the one who went off topic. If you cannot produce a convincing argument to sell your services to area businesses then there is nothing I will be able to do. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: LOL I guess you could put those words into my mouth. *I'm* not the one that doesn't want internet. I don't think that businesses can be as efficient without internet as they could be with it. But it's not my job to run their businesses, it's simply to supply services to them. We don't do online banking either. Anyone have to get a new cc lately, cause hackers got your card number? grin Let go back to the original point though. Fully 1/3rd of the population doesn't give a rat's behind about the internet. Who are we to FORCE it upon them? Who are you (not you but generically...) to tell them that they HAVE to use it? I'd guess that these same arguments took place over the automobile, electricity, telephone, radio, TV etc. Heck, probably there were people that saw no need for the written word in the first place. Or how about the fork? There will always be those that don't care about the latest new thing out there. So what? The rest of us will use it and be happy. They won't and be happy. Who's wrong in that? No one. marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] one-third of U.S. households have noInternet...and donotplan to get it Marlon, Are you sure you are in the business of selling Internet? You find more excuses why potential customers don't need your services. The Internet is NOT just for entertainment. So I suppose this tire shop doesn't use a phone, make appointments, order parts, check on parts ordered, have a bank account and making so much money that they don't need to find ways to save time and money? Do you really believe that none of these businesses in your area have a need for an Internet connection? If you do then it is time to find something else to sell. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Marlon, It's so much easier for you to justify the whole thing by saying everyone that wants internet access has it. There is no way education and economics would change this situation? What situation? If one doesn't know about internet by now there's no level of education that will change that. The local tire shop doesn't have internet access. And why should they? The do tires and pump gas. What will the internet do for them? Really. Same for the local drive in, coffee shop, brewery etc. Sure they all have internet access at home OR the office, but who needs it in both? In the end, is it up to us to force this new technology on people? No. It's up to them to find a way to use it. They have businesses or lives that don't need internet access or broadband. What the heck is wrong with that? What I'm saying is that MOST of those that honestly do have a NEED for broadband access, of some kind, have it today. The rest don't have it cause they don't want it. There is information that should have been included in this article to better explain the real situation but the author of this article does tell the story the way they see it as most people do. I think that much of the press that says that the US is behind the rest of the world ignores that fact that MOST of the time people spend on line is for entertainment. It's a play thing. The internet is taking away from TV not creating something new. Is it really a big deal if people would rather read a book or watch TV? Is it realy a bad thing that folks in the US can find other things to do besides sitting in front of the computer? I think not. How is that rock treating you these days? No tigers I assume. ;-) Which rock? The one I live on? Still hard to grow a lawn here. grin Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Two thoughts here Dawn. First, any bets as to how many of the 22% that can't afford the computer etc. DO have cable TV? I know what the numbers are like in MY area It's near 100%. Next, if 17% say that they don't know how to use the internet it's cause they don't want to. Every town here has FREE internet access. Open to the public in the library. Everyone also has friends with computers that would let their friends use the internet on if it was needed. No, as much as we technogeeks like to think that the world would come to an end without internet access, the truth of the matter is that it's still possible to live one's life without internet access. And fully 1/3rd of the US population has decided they like it that way. Isn't it great to live in a country that still has so many other options
Re: [WISPA] Our First WISP Consultant Vendor Member - Butch Evans
Travis, Are you saying there are Wireless Provider business models in the US that can't handle certified equipment? What do you suppose that says for the industry? Regards, Dawn DiPietro Travis Johnson wrote: And then the issue becomes how much that vendor is going to mark-up the product, in addition to the FCC cert costs for all their time, efforts, etc. Isn't the reason most people are using MT is because of the cost? How many people would buy a RB532 if it was $500? or $1,000? What is everyone's limit? ;) Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Doug Ratcliffe wrote: As far as Mikrotik goes, if any one/more/all MT vendor(s) in this country paid an FCC lab to certify the boards/radios (can't the radios/antennas can be modular certified by Ubiquiti/Senao?), could that work as a blanket certification that MT could attach to their boards/radios, or does each individual unit/vendor need an FCC certification? Each particular vendor will need a cert for the complete system they build. FWIW, I have been pushing MANY vendors to build and certify some Mikrotik radios. You can help yourself here by going to YOUR vendor and asking them to do the same. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's
Jeff, I think part of the reason attendance was so low was for the lack of advertising. Unless you were on certain lists there was very little mention of WISPCON. Plus the fact that previous shows were canceled made it so not a lot of wireless providers even expected there would be another show. Someone made an off handed remark there was going to be a WISPCON but that was something like a week before the show was expected to take place. I could be wrong but that is my take on it. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Jeff Broadwick wrote: It is really unfortunate that more people didn't go. Despite the low attendance, the speaker slate was terrific. Fat Tuesday was very interesting as well! Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's Unfortunately, WISPCON has not evolved with the industry... By attendance, maybe he hasn't. But I'd argue, he's attempting to. His show topics were very different than previous shows, attempting to evolve/expand to the enw relevent market segments which utilize Wireless technology. SO he may not have yet EVOLVED, but he is EVOLVING. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless ISP's IMO, a lot of it has to do with changes within the industry and the perception of what a WISP is... The technical definition of a WISP is a Wireless Internet Service Provider, or anyone who puts a stick up somewhere (tower, AP, etc) and delivers broadband service via wireless medium to customer endpoints (fixed or mobile). If you think about it, Marlon is just as much of a WISP as is Travis Johnson as is Tom DeReggi as is the Rural Telco using wireless as is XO as is Clearwire. However, the perception of a WISP is more so than just a wireless service provider, over time, the definition of a WISP has evolved to represent a specific type of service provider. Specifically, for better or for worse, the broader industry has come to classify the WISP as a cowboy startup operator who builds his POPs with duck-tape and bailing wire and is using unlicensed frequencies to rebel against the Telco / Cableco. Reality is a bit different...Motorola Canopy shipped their 1 millionth SM last April, the Pew report from last year gave a number representing that 5-6% of all broadband subscribers in the United States are being serviced by Broadband Wireless...reality is that a lot of people like Travis Johnson or Jon Langeler or Tom DeReggi or Jon Scrivner (and probably at least 60% of this listserv) have businesses that are going concerns and run reliable and professional broadband wireless networks, make an honest and decent living and are still growing at a pretty nice rate. So here's the interesting part A lot of you who know me from the years know that I started a WISP in the Chicago land area back in the late 90s, and that I sold the network in late 2004 (if you didn't, you know now). The people who bought my WISP were former Telco / CLEC guys (the main guy was the former president of Nextlink USA / XO Communications). After buying my network, they did an interesting rebranding initiative...they were no longer a WISP -- rather, they call themselves an independent wireless network operator. -- results of this rebranding initiative (and by wearing suits), they raised $3.5 million and tripled ARPU growth and are doing, IMO, a pretty good job dominating the market here. Are we splitting hairs...perhaps, but in many instances...perception is reality For example -- when the industry hears Wireless Network Operator -- they think of the following types of companies www.bobbroadband.com www.nextweb.net www.airband.com www.metrobridge.com When the industry hears WISP -- they think of the following types of companies www.foxvalley.net www.wtconnect.com www.qisconsulting.com www.coolaccess.net Now, the reality of the situation is that both types of companies are doing EXACTLY the same thing, and in most cases, both types of companies do it EXACTLY the same way (same type of infrastructure, same quality network, etc). but for many (specifically the more profitable higher ARPU mainstream customers), product packaging is as important as product quality. What I've seen is that as the industry has matured and grown, a lot of people this WISP category, being smart business people, have realized this and are (consciously or unconsciously) trying to move their business from being perceived as a WISP to being perceived as a Wireless Network Operator So what does all this have to do with the topic at hand? The original question was as follows I was just wandering. I have heard
Re: [WISPA] one-third of U.S. households have no Internet...and donotplan to get it
Marlon, Are you sure you are in the business of selling Internet? You find more excuses why potential customers don't need your services. The Internet is NOT just for entertainment. So I suppose this tire shop doesn't use a phone, make appointments, order parts, check on parts ordered, have a bank account and making so much money that they don't need to find ways to save time and money? Do you really believe that none of these businesses in your area have a need for an Internet connection? If you do then it is time to find something else to sell. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Marlon, It's so much easier for you to justify the whole thing by saying everyone that wants internet access has it. There is no way education and economics would change this situation? What situation? If one doesn't know about internet by now there's no level of education that will change that. The local tire shop doesn't have internet access. And why should they? The do tires and pump gas. What will the internet do for them? Really. Same for the local drive in, coffee shop, brewery etc. Sure they all have internet access at home OR the office, but who needs it in both? In the end, is it up to us to force this new technology on people? No. It's up to them to find a way to use it. They have businesses or lives that don't need internet access or broadband. What the heck is wrong with that? What I'm saying is that MOST of those that honestly do have a NEED for broadband access, of some kind, have it today. The rest don't have it cause they don't want it. There is information that should have been included in this article to better explain the real situation but the author of this article does tell the story the way they see it as most people do. I think that much of the press that says that the US is behind the rest of the world ignores that fact that MOST of the time people spend on line is for entertainment. It's a play thing. The internet is taking away from TV not creating something new. Is it really a big deal if people would rather read a book or watch TV? Is it realy a bad thing that folks in the US can find other things to do besides sitting in front of the computer? I think not. How is that rock treating you these days? No tigers I assume. ;-) Which rock? The one I live on? Still hard to grow a lawn here. grin Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Two thoughts here Dawn. First, any bets as to how many of the 22% that can't afford the computer etc. DO have cable TV? I know what the numbers are like in MY area It's near 100%. Next, if 17% say that they don't know how to use the internet it's cause they don't want to. Every town here has FREE internet access. Open to the public in the library. Everyone also has friends with computers that would let their friends use the internet on if it was needed. No, as much as we technogeeks like to think that the world would come to an end without internet access, the truth of the matter is that it's still possible to live one's life without internet access. And fully 1/3rd of the US population has decided they like it that way. Isn't it great to live in a country that still has so many other options marlon - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] one-third of U.S. households have no Internet...and donot plan to get it All, If you read the article it also says 22% of those people said they did not feel they could not afford the computer and everything associated with getting on the Internet so that number is a little misleading in my opinion. Plus 17% of those respondents not on the Internet said they did not know how to use it. If this was not the case then I bet they would subscribe for Internet services. So it sounds to me like if these people were educated in how to use the Internet and could afford it they might see the value. Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Remember this the next time someone tells you how the US is behind in broadband. Scriv George Rogato wrote: MOUNTAIN VIEW, California (Reuters) - A little under one-third of U.S. households have no Internet access and do not plan to get it, with most of the holdouts seeing little use for it in their lives, according to a survey released on Friday. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070326/od_nm/internet_holdouts_odd_dc;_ylt=Ajd_D_JeLhjUgI3IVOtLYJntiBIF -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List
[WISPA] Mexican classrooms go hi-tech
Mexican classrooms go hi-tech By Duncan Kennedy BBC News, Mexico City Ping ping, beep beep, tap tap. What would you think those noises are? A new video game? A children's toy, perhaps? Or even some exotic musical instrument? Well, in some ways, you would be right about all three. In fact, it is the sound of the new digital education system being used in Mexico. A brain seen on a screen The system is used in a variety of subjects The noises are the kinds of sounds you hear when you put your finger on the giant electronic screens attached to the walls of about 165,000 Mexican classrooms. Some five million 10- and 11-year-olds now receive ALL their education through the screens. It is believed to be the most ambitious project of its kind in the world. From maths to music, from geography to geometry, black and white boards have given way to electronic screens. I really like it, says one six-year-old at the John F Kennedy Primary school in Mexico City. It's fun and therefore you learn more. 'Active' Five years in development, the entire school curriculum for 5th and 6th graders has now been digitised and is accessible on the screens. Soon, other grades will follow. The system is called Enciclomedia. Take an English lesson: the teacher taps the screen and a video starts, instantly. The children concentrate more, they interact more and so they get more out of each class Arturo Vazquez Teacher Good morning, how are you, says the voice of one English-speaking girl on the video. I'm fine, comes her friend's reply. Soon, the pupils in the classroom watching the screen are saying the words out loud. During a biology lesson we watch as pupil after pupil comes to the screen to piece together the human body... electronically. One boy taps his finger on the screen and brings up the human heart. He then slides his finger across the screen, taking the heart with him and places it where he thinks it belongs on the body located on the other side of the screen. Ping! goes the sound of the screen when he places the organ correctly in the middle of the chest. Beep, beep, goes the screen when another child fails to put the lungs in the right place. This brings howls of laughter from his classmates. This is putting the active well and truly into interactive education. 'Improvement' It is fabulous, says the teacher Arturo Vazquez. The children concentrate more, they interact more and so they get more out of each class. School pupil Pupils concentrate more, according to teachers Enciclomedia was brought in to raise standards in Mexico. The current system can give teachers access to about 20,000 items of information, ranging from three-dimensional images of the body to clips of movies like Gladiator, so children can learn the history of ancient Rome. In text alone, it is believed there is the equivalent of about 14 full-sized books inside Enciclomedia. It is a revolution, says Professor Ana Maria Prieto, an independent educationalist who is monitoring the project. Research is continuing, but I believe it is really improving education standards, she says. Already the United States, China and India have shown an interest in buying Enciclomedia. Delegations from these countries have seen its screen bring up video of harps for music, rotating panoramic views of archaeological ruins for history and the insides of a plant's cellular structure for nature lessons. Roulette wheel In a nearby office are 400 people, the team behind the project. Here, graphic designers are working on the next phase of the system. Coming soon, real satellite pictures of the globe to show rivers, population densities and climate change, a tool useful right across the curriculum. There have been some mumblings about excessive teacher workload, but those we spoke to say it is possible to adapt to a different way of teaching. The question of whether it is working and improving standards is still being assessed. And there are issues of cost, too. It takes about US$5,000 (£2,500) to equip each classroom with a big screen and associated computer. In Mexico, central government pays, after decreeing that education is a top priority. Me, me, me, comes the chorus of enthusiasm in another classroom we visit, as children urge the teacher to pick them to answer a question. Why the keenness? Well, yet again, the one chosen gets to go to the screen and interact in another subject. Here, you don't just put your hand up, you get up. This is learning with all your senses. And when children do not answer? Well, the system even has an tool for that. Having already entered the names of all the pupils into the computer, the teacher can tap the screen to bring up an electronic roulette wheel that randomly picks a child's name. No more hiding at the back of class. In a world where video game consoles, computers and television are already integral parts of young peoples
