[WISPA] 5.4 GHz PtP
Does anyone have certified gear other than Motorola and Redline? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from? WAV has 3, but they closed before I could get there. If I hadn't lost my wallet today, I probably could have made it on time. I'm in Northern IL. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's storms. Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track down some old stock somewhere? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
It's more than just a PoE. All kinds of fancy electronics and junk. I wish they didn't get all fancy and just had a PoE. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/6/2010 9:14 PM, Mike wrote: What makes it unique? I have some Canopy ones. Would they work? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from? WAV has 3, but they closed before I could get there. If I hadn't lost my wallet today, I probably could have made it on time. I'm in Northern IL. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's storms. Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track down some old stock somewhere? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
I heard something about some of these IDUs having TDM interfaces as well, so I wonder if it is proprietary going up the cable. Someone gave me an idea a little bit ago. Check my other IDU on that ODU to make sure it's not a blown network port on the ODU. The ODU receives power just fine. Will try that in the morning. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/6/2010 8:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone have one I could beg, borrow or steal one from? WAV has 3, but they closed before I could get there. If I hadn't lost my wallet today, I probably could have made it on time. I'm in Northern IL. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/4/2010 6:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's storms. Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track down some old stock somewhere? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector
I may have lost an Orthogon Gemini PoE Injector in yesterday's storms. Are they the same as another PoE Injector or do I need to track down some old stock somewhere? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
Competition is what keeps your upstream from doing that. Even if you have T-1 service in BFE, you can get a T-1 from any major IXC anywhere T-1s are available. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 11:09 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Comments inline. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Fred, Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server and it does not adversely affect the overall WISP network performance. Sure it does. Last week's discussion confirmed that the average ISP retail residential customer generates a load of about 50-100 kbps. A lot higher when using it, near zero at other times. But a file server can pump an Mbps or more all day and night. The whole trick to low residential pricing is a high oversubscription ratio, and this is especially true with wireless. Then put a monthly bandwidth cap (or caps) into your Terms of Service and price your service accordingly. This level of throughput management should come under the reasonable network management definition that service providers are allowed to perform. This throttling is also application-independent so no selective throttling by application is needed. Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables full time and once programmed, it requires no human interaction. Reasonable is a rule of man, not rule of law construct. Blocking the pirate CDN was not considered reasonable when it was not done by an ILEC. I would rather allow ISPs to do as they please, at risk of displeasing their customers, rather than follow rules designed to please a cheapskate pR0n distributor. And banning servers is a good way to keep the average load and thus the cost and price down. With no rules, what are you going to do when your upstream provider decides to block or throttle your network for whatever the reason? They are after all just doing what they please. Without some kind of network neutrality protection, there's no law against blocking you, right? Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to? You could limit throughput neutrally, provided that it limited upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to do. However, those applications usually require a person to be there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer) prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable. I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it perfectly desirable. Fred Goldstein wrote: At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. I've long opposed network neutrality rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
Time Warner Telecom and Time Warner Cable are entirely different companies. No present relationship whatsoever. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/4/2010 1:23 AM, John Thomas wrote: Yes, I have heard of them. Time Warner (TW Telecom) is my upstream. We aren't paying for IP addresses, but we only have a /27 of addresses with them. Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: ATT and Time Warner. You may have heard of them. :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Robert, what upstream is charging $15 per month? If that is true, I have a portable /19 I am going to start renting.. John Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Depends on if you have to pay for it. Some upstreamproviders give them for free, others not. Some WISPS pay for their own block. Either way, as with everything in business, if I have to pay 15 bucks for a static you better believe that cost is gonna be passed on. That's a HUGE percentage of the cost of providing service to that customer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I wasn't aware so many WISPs charge for static and/or public IPs. We have a /19 and /21 IPv4 allocation, and a /32 v6 allocation. All customers get dynamic, possibly changing, public IPs. We charge for a consistent public IP. NAT causes too many potential headaches for us to even bother with it. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 2, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: True. Sounds like a bandwidth hog to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2010, at 8:46 PM, Mikem...@aweiowa.com wrote: Simple analysis might expose that customer to be one you'd rather let go. Or not. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 6:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP And if I were your client, and you told me $10 for an IP address, I would find a new ISP. The most I have ever seen charged was $5 a month. John Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com wrote: Everything i keep coming up with to make this work ideal according to the customer is Im gonna have to sell them a public ip for $10/month *grins* and then make sure their CPE is in bridge mode and assign that static to the customers router so they can enable UPnP themselves. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Don't the majority of us NAT at the customer SM? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: I would agree that it is a security hole for an ISP. UPnP would let me do my own forwards for just about any port I want, including SSH, telnet and web. For that matter, I could just be selfish and port map every port from 1024 through 65535 to my IP, completely killing access to anyone else. In an ISP environment, the best option really is to disable UPnP if you are doing NAT. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP Man that sucks. We turn off upnp on ALL routers. I've always been told that it's a big security hole. Thoughts on that? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT. When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp. Even this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict (I think it's called open?). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance
That's why you carry a strictly catastrophic health-care policy to cover when you can't. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 12:44 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: yeah, cash pay works, until you get a stroke, heart attack, cancer, etc Even when you have good insurance, it can mean still having to come up with a few hundred thousand out of pocket. Often cash pay translates to... if you have a serious illness, you cant afford to chose to live. I dont mean to be bleak, but that is the reality of it. Sure, I understand that some for financial reasons must choose to fore go insurance. But I'd surely prefer to find more affordable insurance, than fore go insurance. Affording Healthcare is surely a big issue today. I actually find it somewhat ironic that some countries have made broadband a human right. I'd argue that healthcare (aka affordable insurance) far more deserves to be made a human right. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, July 31, 2010 5:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance Negotiate directly with your doctor or the hospital. I've been cash pay for years. About a year and a half ago, my then 2 year old got outside un-noticed and fell into our pool. He was at the bottom when we found him and my wife, being a trained lifegaurd, was able to perform cpr and get his pulse and breath back. That combined with the cold temperature of the water (early december), and the grace of God left him with no brain damage or permanent problems. Our trip to the ermergency room plus overnight stay in the hospital was more than $12,000. I negotiated with the hospital, the doctors, and the ambulance company (all different bills) to get my bill down to less than $5000. It took about 1 hour of my time. Had I had insurance, I would have had to pay the full $5000 or $1 deductable. So in this case it worked out for me. My family is extrememly healthy. Our kids go to the doctor maybe once a year and I can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. My wife just had arthoscopic surgurery on knee in the spring and agian, paying cash, I walked away with about a 50% dicount. As we get older, I'll probably consider getting insurance as age typically means more trips to the doc. and on average it will become cheaper to pay the insurance bills than to fund it in cash. I don't know what age that will be, but I'll keep you guys posted... Cameron On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:02 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you negotiate that? I've tried and they same we pay their standard rate. After moving back to health insurance, we always see a discount, especially on in network doctors. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com mailto:bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: We are cash pay. Regular DR visits are half of what the quoted rate is. Hospital is pretty much the same way. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net mailto:fai...@snappydsl.net To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Health Insurance That is very interesting... it is the first time I am hearing as such... Our experience has been on the contrary... Without the insurance company's pre-netogitated discounts, it is impossible to get a reasonable bill.. more like.. They stick to you as a cash paying customer.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 7/30/2010 9:20 PM, Roger Howard wrote: I had a friend who had a triple heart bypass. They gave him the bill for loadsa money, assuming he would pay it over a long period of time. When he said he was paying cash outright, it cost a tiny fraction of the amount the bill was for. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
IP performance should be the exact same as all other UBNT M series products. We'll see how the RF performance works out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 8:23 AM, Robert West wrote: Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] net neutrality, there may be hope yet...
That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/3/2010 12:34 PM, MDK wrote: On the political side of the issue, the anti-Genakowski allies are increasing in number and strength. http://biggovernment.com/smotley/2010/08/03/another-week-of-growing-opposition-to-fccs-internet-grab/#more-152353 I, for one, think that if Comcast Charter or Qwest, or anyone, started deprioritizing specific content or blocking certain content providers, that our business could boom.I'm getting ready to actually compete with dsl and cable in my first town. Some trepidation at that, wondering if I'm going to be investing with little return, but it seems to me that we'd be far better off keeping the FCC far, far from our network administration decisions. I'm curious what stand WISPA has officially taken, and how it's being followed up. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
You need one of the 4.x releases of MT for XBox uPNP to work. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 9:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
uPNP on the only router between public and private will play friendly with multiple XBoxes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 9:32 AM, Nick Olsen wrote: I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox would list my NAT as strict. But I've heard people scream about it. You can either port forward to them, Or enable UPnP and it will do it for you. If your double NAT-ing then you will need to do it on both routers as UPnP will only cover the one closest to the Xbox. And if they have multiple xbox consoles you can only port forward to one, Or give them multiple statics. Just my experiences with it... Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 *From*: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com *Sent*: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:11 AM *To*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DOS attack
Correction: A DDoS comes from thousands of IPs, a DOS from a few or singular. (Distributed being the difference.) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 9:56 AM, Matt wrote: to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy packet loss because the upstream router was getting hammered. After that they put in a few rules to drop the traffic and that made it stable, But latency was like +140ms going into it. What rules can really help a DOS attack? I just see it as hard to block since usually its coming from thousands of different IP's. I imagine it could look like TCP, UDP or etc. How can a router tell whats legitimate and not? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I plan to IPv6 in the next year or so. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/2/2010 10:04 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: Reason number 5392 to not NAT your customers. Along those lines, who is rolling out a dual stack ipv6 network? On 8/2/10, Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com wrote: So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ITElite
What company would the quality of ITElite antennas best compare to? I'm interested in their dual polarity 5 GHz CPE and APs, both with integrated radio enclosures. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Exalt ExploreAIR
I got a nice little email from Exalt about their new product, without actually saying anything about it. Any specification sheets out there? Top speed in different bands? Price ranges? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever
Agreed, very much so! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/29/2010 10:41 AM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: I am so glad you moved over to the Wispa list Fred! I don't always agree with you, but I REALLY appreciate how much thought and detail you put into your responses. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF Reform Bill Introduced - The most compelling reason to document and map your network coverage ever At 7/29/2010 10:34 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Yes but if the cable companies could also ally with wireless carriers to get other areas excluded from USF subsidies, the field would be a more level one should the cable companies try to compete in other markets. We might also get Clearwire and the cellular carriers to support the position although most of their deployments will probably be in areas that would never have qualified for USF to begin with. If the terms wireline are kept in the bill it would appear that wireless services might also be excluded from receiving any USF funds which basically keeps USF funds in the exclusive hands of the Telco's as it has been. Personally I think that if we don't out and out oppose the bill for USF reform, but rather do something like this as a minor change, the WISP industry can make out better. USF reform will happen and USF funds will be spent on deploying broadband to unserved areas no matter what. What we need to do is make sure the law does not fund builds in areas already served by WISP's and other technologies. If the battle could also be fought and won to allow WISP's access to the funds for broadband deployments then great. When going up against the cable and Telco lobbies, one has to be wise about picking their battles as the funding to fight this will be limited. And on a related note, Patrick Leary wrote, You'd think there would be an excellent legal argument to fight that. Seems it'd be difficult to enact a law that in effect discriminates against certain classes of providers, especially since WISPs are the only pure play broadband providers out there. Theorectically the re-configured USF is meant to propel broadband...so how could the feds exclude the only entity that provides broadband first, other services second. All other providers have broadband as a secondary play. Patrick's first... We're talking about a new law, so the legal argument boils down to whatever the law says is legal, is legal, unless it's a flagrant constitutional violation. Which I don't see, since the main issue here is simply who gets government handouts, and handing out money (and taxing) is sort of the normal role of government. The problem is that the system is so corrupt by now that the handouts appear to be irrational. In practice they're not; they just aren't done for the public good. Back to Brian's point... You first have to think about whose bill this is. Boucher doesn't make this stuff up himself. Nor does his staff, though they know more about it than most congressional staffers. Boucher's job in Washington is, and has always been, to carry Verizon's water. When he puts a bill in the hopper, it comes from them. Tom Tauke's staff probably drafted most of the bill. So what is Verizon asking for? You again have to look at what USF is all about. It was created as part of intercarrier compensation reform. Before USF, toll settlements to rural carriers were high enough to pay the subsidies. Make a 30 cent call and the rural carrier gets 50 cents for terminating it. This worked because Long Distance was a huge luxury and thus could be milked. As the cost of delivering LD went down, the amount that could be diverted to supporting the ILECs went up. But the system broke down under competition, especially from VoIP, but also from something called reality -- you can't perpetuate a rotten system like that forever. It was hugely inefficient. So intercarrier payments from IXCs to LECs no longer pay the whole freight, and explicit USF makes up the difference. The IXCs, however, are the main payers of USF. They count the cards differently but the kitty still goes the same way. In the 1980s, Verizon (then called Bell Atlantic) was a LEC and on the receiving end of IXC switched access charges. But now the Bells get much lower switched access rates, so it's not a big revenue source for them. Instead, you have Verizon owning the former MCI and Worldcom assets and Southwestern Bell owning the former ATT Corp. assets, so the two mega-Bells are probably net payers, not recipients, of subsidies to the rurals, both via USF and access charges. Sprint, of course, no longer has any
[WISPA] Off-net rebooting
What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON years back had a pager based system. I'm sure there are cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off-net rebooting
They still them and actively support them in many areas, according to them. They say the problem is that the paging providers are closing down in some areas due to the economy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/27/2010 1:04 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: nighthawk systems used to sell pager reboot devices. I still have a few, but they quit supporting the paging protocol used on my units...now they are paperweights. Cameron On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: What are you guys doing for off-net rebooting? I know someone at WISPCON years back had a pager based system. I'm sure there are cellular based systems now, but I'm not sure how the cost compares. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Has anyone used Mediacomm Fiber for their backbone?
I should say that only applies to transit, not transport. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/21/2010 11:25 AM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I hope they do. It seems crazy they painted the USA with a wide brush in the contract. ATT is not within 90 miles of me. I can get ATT data lines, but it goes through many local telco loops on the way here. Scottie One of the cable companies I talked to a couple years ago said they couldn't resell to an ISP because of their contract with ATT forbid it. They were working to get out from under that. Christine Montalvo Senior Data Account Executive Mediacom Enterprise Networks Group 3737 Westown Parkway West Des Moines, Ia 50266 Office: 515-246-2251 Cell: 515-360-0015 Email: cmonta...@mediacomcc.commailto:cmonta...@mediacomcc.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 11:52 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I have a connection to me across the state line that can be easily back hauled across the TN/KY line. In TN, the rural telco's rule the roost, and love to add on to the last mile charges . I have a tower that can easily reach into KY within 20 miles. Mediacomm has a tower within 16 miles that I can reach. I have asked them to price me bandwidth on fiber to their tower in KY, and the price to locate my back haul on their tower(their tower is almost 500' tall, so I can almost pick my area on that tower, if they allow). Have any of you guy's or gal's dealt with Mediacomm before? The problem is that I can't get a bandwidth quote, much less a tower quote out of them! I contacted them with a question of fiber availability and quickly got a response. Once I told them I was an ISP and wanted to back-haul it across the TN/KY border, everything went to a stand still. They had no problem quoting me bandwidth on fiber with a KY address about a year before. I also told them that I was an ISP in TN and my whole intentions of back hauling it. I am at a standstill with dealing with Mediacomm. Their pricing a few years ago, was much less than what I am paying now. I have repeatedly emailed the contact, and she has gotten back to me once in the last 2 months. The reply back was that she had been on vacation the week before and she was still awaiting pricing from the higher ups. She also told me the tower crew wanted to talk to me about what I wanted to mount on the tower...I told her the number to contact me at almost 2 weeks ago, and have not heard from them either. I guess my question is, have any of you dealt with Mediacomm before, and is my situation usual...or unusual? Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3?
I've found similar assistance going to Economic Development folks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/21/2010 11:32 PM, Robert West wrote: I've tried. Oh boy, have I tried! I look at every little telco farm along the road, cruise the railroad crossings looking for fiber, visit the county engineers office asking for maps of underground lines. Call the local telco/cable office, beat up the Time Warner guy or gal for info.. It's all one big ol' secret. OH! One county that I'm in, they have a guy whose only job is to HELP provide info for the betterment of business and to help the rural folk. His answer when I ask if he can find out fiber locations... His answer Wow, great idea! But... I dunno. End of conversation. Sucks. Me- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 10:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3? Agreed. It amazes me how little people know about the telecommunications infrastructure in their area. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 5:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I have been quietly watching this discussion I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / clarify some thoughts / facts T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or Repeater.) T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) MuxesThese are larger expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber fed. While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out costs... these costs are high, in addition, the ILEC's are also aware that these High Cap transports are used by other Competitors and as such exercise full discretion on discouraging purchase of these circuits, by using extra inflated build out costs, and if you agree to pay that, then the 2nd option they use is extra extra long build out time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) would be Ethernet .. 100Meg or Gig E While these are un-regulated services, which means an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of service to you and I or another Carrier however in many places (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service at that location. These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on a pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not discriminate against service providers... (most of them...) Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company. Most power companies have a Fiber / Network Division they have been the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are aggressively selling services... I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service providers, just to be able to find out what are On-Net locations for them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the service from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to where you are Hope this helps. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy InternetTelecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: In my previous life as an ATT Cellular switch manager, we had hundreds of T1'sT3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean never. And we practically had a blank check! -RickG On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmannkh...@fire2wire.com wrote: After about a year of getting the same response from ATT after multiple order requests at different locations across our
Re: [WISPA] IPPay
They've been very helpful. Great support department. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/23/2010 12:38 PM, RickG wrote: I need feedback on IPPay. -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] IPPay
I think their web site has that list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/23/2010 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I would like to see a list of things that are ready to use IPPay out of the box. We use it with Powercode. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 1:46 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net mailto:d...@mvn.net wrote: On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 12:38, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I need feedback on IPPay. -RickG If you have the in-house development expertise to talk to their API, it probably would be wonderful. We couldn't use it here, because our old (and proprietary) billing system doesn't support it, and after several months their promised authorize.net-compatible interfaces never showed up. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frontier
I'm wondering how they'll change as far as retail service levels and pricing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/23/2010 3:04 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: Being a WISP in an area where Frontier just took over the antiquated Verizon system, I was wondering if Frontier has a better agreement to resell their DSL then Verizon did. Anyone Know. Verizon was ~$32/month to me + modem for a service they were selling for $24.99 to clients. Steve Barnes General Manager RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3?
I do. ;-) The difference, however, is that our livelihoods are telecommunications and far too often people don't know what's around them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 11:24 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Well .. it is like plumbing How many of us know the Plumbing and Drainage infrastructure in our areas ? (Myself very little, cause I don't have to deal with it... :) ) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 7/20/2010 11:57 PM, RickG wrote: It amazes me how little people know about telecommunications infrastructure - or lack thereof. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Agreed. It amazes me how little people know about the telecommunications infrastructure in their area. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 5:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I have been quietly watching this discussion I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / clarify some thoughts / facts T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or Repeater.) T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) MuxesThese are larger expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber fed. While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out costs... these costs are high, in addition, the ILEC's are also aware that these High Cap transports are used by other Competitors and as such exercise full discretion on discouraging purchase of these circuits, by using extra inflated build out costs, and if you agree to pay that, then the 2nd option they use is extra extra long build out time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) would be Ethernet .. 100Meg or Gig E While these are un-regulated services, which means an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of service to you and I or another Carrier however in many places (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service at that location. These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on a pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not discriminate against service providers... (most of them...) Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company. Most power companies have a Fiber / Network Division they have been the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are aggressively selling services... I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service providers, just to be able to find out what are On-Net locations for them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the service from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to where you are Hope this helps. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: In my previous life as an ATT Cellular switch manager, we had hundreds of T1's T3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean never. And we practically had a blank check! -RickG On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmannkh...@fire2wire.com wrote: After about a year of getting the same response from ATT after multiple order requests at different locations across our network, the guy in charge of building out fiber for the region called and said what in the world are you guys doing?!? He ended up giving us the location of a few fiber terminals in the area. We found the ones
Re: [WISPA] Has anyone used Mediacomm Fiber for their backbone?
One of the cable companies I talked to a couple years ago said they couldn't resell to an ISP because of their contract with ATT forbid it. They were working to get out from under that. Christine Montalvo Senior Data Account Executive Mediacom Enterprise Networks Group 3737 Westown Parkway West Des Moines, Ia 50266 Office: 515-246-2251 Cell: 515-360-0015 Email: cmonta...@mediacomcc.com mailto:cmonta...@mediacomcc.com - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 11:52 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: I have a connection to me across the state line that can be easily back hauled across the TN/KY line. In TN, the rural telco's rule the roost, and love to add on to the last mile charges . I have a tower that can easily reach into KY within 20 miles. Mediacomm has a tower within 16 miles that I can reach. I have asked them to price me bandwidth on fiber to their tower in KY, and the price to locate my back haul on their tower(their tower is almost 500' tall, so I can almost pick my area on that tower, if they allow). Have any of you guy's or gal's dealt with Mediacomm before? The problem is that I can't get a bandwidth quote, much less a tower quote out of them! I contacted them with a question of fiber availability and quickly got a response. Once I told them I was an ISP and wanted to back-haul it across the TN/KY border, everything went to a stand still. They had no problem quoting me bandwidth on fiber with a KY address about a year before. I also told them that I was an ISP in TN and my whole intentions of back hauling it. I am at a standstill with dealing with Mediacomm. Their pricing a few years ago, was much less than what I am paying now. I have repeatedly emailed the contact, and she has gotten back to me once in the last 2 months. The reply back was that she had been on vacation the week before and she was still awaiting pricing from the higher ups. She also told me the tower crew wanted to talk to me about what I wanted to mount on the tower...I told her the number to contact me at almost 2 weeks ago, and have not heard from them either. I guess my question is, have any of you dealt with Mediacomm before, and is my situation usual...or unusual? Scottie WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What if you can't get a T3?
Agreed. It amazes me how little people know about the telecommunications infrastructure in their area. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/20/2010 5:57 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I have been quietly watching this discussion I don't claim to be an expert, but being a wire line ISP, let me add / clarify some thoughts / facts T1 / T3 or DS3 / OC3 are all TDM / Legacy services T1, can be extended (long distance) via field repeaters... (T1's are based on HDSL technology and go about 12000ft from the CO or Repeater.) T3/DS3 are peeled off OC3 or Sonet (optical) MuxesThese are larger expensive pieces of equipment that require a lot of power and are fiber fed. While all of the legacy TDM services are regulated (i.e the price is disclosed on a tariff) but the ILEC is allowed to recover build out costs... these costs are high, in addition, the ILEC's are also aware that these High Cap transports are used by other Competitors and as such exercise full discretion on discouraging purchase of these circuits, by using extra inflated build out costs, and if you agree to pay that, then the 2nd option they use is extra extra long build out time schedule... 9 to 12 months easy. For Enterprise customers, they will do the build at no cost or little cost, but the Enterprise customer also has to provide them with space and power, typically 2-3 racks of space and 20-40 amps of power. Today, the ILEC's are not interested in doing such buildout, unless someone is buying SONET transport from them or a bundle of multiple DS3's / OC'3 combination, and there are a few more if's... The most cost effective form of transport that an ISP / WISP can purchase from a Carrier (ILEC or Cable Co or another type of provider) would be Ethernet .. 100Meg or Gig E While these are un-regulated services, which means an ILEC's can exercise their discretion on providing this type of service to you and I or another Carrier however in many places (typically office buildings in a metro downtown area) would have equipment / fiber already installed that they can deliver the service at that location. These days the local Cable Company who has been doing fiber build outs for their cable plants is also pretty eager to sell IP Transit or Ethernet Transport over the Fiber system.. Most of them are working on a pretty fair means of pricing the fiber service and will not discriminate against service providers... (most of them...) Another often overlooked fiber carrier is the local Power Company. Most power companies have a Fiber / Network Division they have been the largest providers of dark fiber for a lot of carriers (including cell carriers, when they cell carriers were not owned by the ILEC and the ILEC would not provide them high speed pipes to the cell towers..). But these folks are normally harder to track down unless they are aggressively selling services... I often collect Network Maps from carriers and competitive service providers, just to be able to find out what are On-Net locations for them... make life much easier in determining where to pickup the service from rather than having them do the buildout and bring them to where you are Hope this helps. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 7/20/2010 6:19 PM, RickG wrote: In my previous life as an ATT Cellular switch manager, we had hundreds of T1's T3's ordered that never came in - yes, I mean never. And we practically had a blank check! -RickG On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Kristian Hoffmannkh...@fire2wire.com wrote: After about a year of getting the same response from ATT after multiple order requests at different locations across our network, the guy in charge of building out fiber for the region called and said what in the world are you guys doing?!? He ended up giving us the location of a few fiber terminals in the area. We found the ones closest to our network, made an agreement with a tenant nearby, and did a wireless PtP to connect it to our network. Moral of the story, we were shooting in the dark until we had an in in the right department at ATT. On a related note, does anyone have an experience with Charter's fiber services? -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 22:33 -0500, Roger Howard wrote: Quick alert to those who are not aware... back when I was running my business on T1 lines, I just assumed that when I was ready, I could order a T3 and upgrade my bandwidth. Not so. Just because you can get a T1 doesn't mean you can get a T3 without huge buildout costs. I was quoted $400,000 dollars to upgrade to a T3. I
Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
I have some that aren't far from that, but they're not that blatant. I try to hide them as much as I can, more so in the unconventional installs. It is to get under the trees. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/16/2010 12:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've done that. Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power lines. Higher is not always better. marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Patientsa...@jeffcosoho.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam. Is there some other place you can mount it?. Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through the trees... http://wifimw.com/pics/redneck_install.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
Power lines cause you problems? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/16/2010 12:37 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've done that. Sometimes it's the only way to get below the power lines. Higher is not always better. marlon - Original Message - From: Jim Patientsa...@jeffcosoho.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Friday Laugh I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam. Is there some other place you can mount it?. Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through the trees... http://wifimw.com/pics/redneck_install.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday Laugh
hah, true - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/16/2010 1:21 PM, Jim Patient wrote: Just struck my funny bone because it was too obtrusive for her roof but not for her front porch. Jim On 7/16/2010 2:17 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: What's wrong with that ? -- Original Message -- From: Jim Patientsa...@jeffcosoho.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:24:17 -0500 I understand you don't want the antenna on your roof, mam. Is there some other place you can mount it?. Yes there is one other place that we can mount it and still get through the trees... http://wifimw.com/pics/redneck_install.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave
Sounds like manufacturers need to solve this problem technically vs. procedurally.Apparently that's how it is for this or that reason, but it sounds a little too high maintenance for me. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:52 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60. According to our reseller we need to purchase a complete new link. What would you guys do in this case? Press charges against the installer and file with insurance? Just fire the employee? Anyone else had someone this stupid do something similar? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave
Sounds like they need to develop better standards. ;-) So the millimeter band equipment is like a super model? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/14/2010 7:25 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Welcome to the world of milimeter band. Its all due to critical construction standars and tolerances. Proxim Gigalink is also done in matched pairs -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:45:06 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Missing Bridgewave Sounds like manufacturers need to solve this problem technically vs. procedurally.Apparently that's how it is for this or that reason, but it sounds a little too high maintenance for me. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:52 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: One of our installers lost one end of a Bridgewave GE60. According to our reseller we need to purchase a complete new link. What would you guys do in this case? Press charges against the installer and file with insurance? Just fire the employee? Anyone else had someone this stupid do something similar? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Tape backup
I didn't know they made tape drives in the past 5 years. Pretty much the standard for backup now is just another, remote PC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/13/2010 3:23 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: What are you guys using for Tape backup options? Prefer something SCSI to replace existing tape drive that has failed. I just personally hate tape. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
I used to use that, but I've since moved to the Asus 520. It can be set in a bridge mode so that my MT CPE still does NAT, does WIFI, and has a few Ethernet ports as well. TrendNet had one that could do this too, but availability was scarce. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 10:08 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: *TEW-432BRP* *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 10:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 Which model Trendnet? Thanx *From:* Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 6:21 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 We have had very little issues with Trendnet. $24 Sell for $45. Easy money. Guys keep 5 in the trucks at all times. *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 9:12 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 It seems like all the cheap routers race to see who is the worst! On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com mailto:m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I quit using Linksys for that very reason. If I place a multiport wireless router it is usually a Netgear. I have a lot less problems. I think the Linksys power supplies are the culprit. Friendly Regards, Mike *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:47 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 the new breed of linksys (cisco) seems to be better,Hope it ends the cycle(literally) Doubt it,keep on keepin on! --- On *Sun, 7/11/10, Robert West /robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com/* wrote: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:32 PM Nice. But that's been how my day has gone. 5 calls with the fix being POWER CYCLE YOUR ROUTER! I turned off the cell. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:21 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 Tell me about it,I'm still getting calls at this time of night because i pulled a plug to install ups. --- On *Sun, 7/11/10, Robert West /robert.w...@just-micro.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robert.w...@just-micro.com/* wrote: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robert.w...@just-micro.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:18 PM I hate you. Just so ya know. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of d...@ctg3.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=d...@ctg3.com Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:59 PM To: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 Greetings. I will be out of the office (Salmon fishing) July 12th and back on Tuesday. If your matter is urgent: For quote requests, send email to quo...@ctg3.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=quo...@ctg3.com Additional support contacts: Bethany Crowell - (206) 383-8938 - bcrow...@ctg3.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bcrow...@ctg3.com Marti Perkins - (360) 425-1212 - ma...@ctg3.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ma...@ctg3.com Amy
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
Everything other than VoIP I currently run in VMs. Working on radius - MT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 10:58 AM, Paul Gerstenberger wrote: We're being quoted for a VMWare cluster to consolidate our servers. Not sure what the timeframe is, but I was thinking I'd run either a radius server or an instance of RouterOS dedicated to the UM within a VM. Is anyone doing that? -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Not a bunch of CPU there ... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 5:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives Running on an RB1000. -Paul On Jul 9, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What kind of hardware are you running this on? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Paul Gerstenbergerpa...@hrec.coop wrote: We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
Some 192.168 range... 192.168.20.x, maybe? I always set the IP to a static one in the subnet my MT hands out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 11:07 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: Mike Hammett, What IP range do those ASUS use as well buy default. *Steve Barnes* General Manager PCS-WIN http://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 12:00 PM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 Mike, What are you paying for the Asus? I am looking for that functionality. I usually use a Deliberant and a switch. Or just a Netgear router, depending on where I install. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 10:48 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 I used to use that, but I've since moved to the Asus 520. It can be set in a bridge mode so that my MT CPE still does NAT, does WIFI, and has a few Ethernet ports as well. TrendNet had one that could do this too, but availability was scarce. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 10:08 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: *TEW-432BRP* *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 10:53 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 Which model Trendnet? Thanx *From:* Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 6:21 AM *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 We have had very little issues with Trendnet. $24 Sell for $45. Easy money. Guys keep 5 in the trucks at all times. *Steve Barnes* RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service http://www.rcwifi.com/ *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Monday, July 12, 2010 9:12 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 It seems like all the cheap routers race to see who is the worst! On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com mailto:m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I quit using Linksys for that very reason. If I place a multiport wireless router it is usually a Netgear. I have a lot less problems. I think the Linksys power supplies are the culprit. Friendly Regards, Mike *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:47 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 the new breed of linksys (cisco) seems to be better,Hope it ends the cycle(literally) Doubt it,keep on keepin on! --- On *Sun, 7/11/10, Robert West /robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com/* wrote: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:32 PM Nice. But that's been how my day has gone. 5 calls with the fix being POWER CYCLE YOUR ROUTER! I turned off the cell. Bob- *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, July 11, 2010 9:21 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 Tell me about it,I'm still getting calls at this time of night because i pulled a plug to install ups. --- On *Sun, 7/11/10, Robert West /robert.w...@just-micro.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robert.w...@just-micro.com/* wrote: From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robert.w...@just-micro.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Date
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo AP and Ubiquity client
Older firmware wasn't legacy friendly. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/12/2010 6:09 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Any reason a Rocket 5M client won't connect to a Tranzeo AP in non-AirMax mode? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote: You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a database like mysql. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
I think your only reasonable attempt with no support requirements is to cut the ack time. Anything else reduces the coverage inside the establishment or increases support. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/7/2010 10:16 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Gang Do anyone knows a equivalent of max range for a WIFI AP? Would the ACk parameter work? WE have some restaurant chains with a free wifi for patrons, latest trend in our market is some Sat Guys selling a WIFI antenna for connecting Houses to Free WIFI Hotspots.I would like to limi the range on the APs for half a mile or so Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Licensed band info
My Google skills seem lacking. I'm looking for various information on the licensed bands: Channel size the range of the band (lowest frequency, highest frequency) anything else someone should know -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Licensed band info
No, what the FCC allows. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/5/2010 2:07 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Any specific band? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 3:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Licensed band info My Google skills seem lacking. I'm looking for various information on the licensed bands: Channel size the range of the band (lowest frequency, highest frequency) anything else someone should know WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Licensed band info
I've seen that before. Great reference tool. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/5/2010 3:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: That is a great PDF. Tessco sent a big poster of it a few years ago. On 7/5/10, Butch Evansbut...@butchevans.com wrote: My Google skills seem lacking. I'm looking for various information on the licensed bands: Channel size the range of the band (lowest frequency, highest frequency) anything else someone should know Google for fcc frequency allocation table. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus to lose $602 Million?
http://broadbandbreakfast.com/?p=9684 -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
I won't knowingly go above 2.9.51 on my RB1xx boards. I finally got some 4.x boards out there now because that's what they came with. If the 4.x line is finally stable, maybe I'll raise my bar to that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/1/2010 12:58 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 09:54 -0500, David E. Smith wrote: what's the recommendation for versions and upgrades? If you are using wireless: 4.10 for NEW deployments, ESPECIALLY if you are using nstreme. For existing deployments, if you are doing ptmp and NO nstreme, then any version that is working will be fine (I saw a 2.9.41 on one customer's network this week). Upgrading will not offer you much benefit (if any at all) for an 802.11 AP. For existing deployments WITH nstreme in ptp, there is no need to upgrade (just keep the endpoints the same version). There is some new functionality that MAY (not often, but sometimes) improve throughput. For ptmp nstreme, upgrade to the latest version if you are running anything before about 3.27. There is some real benefit in this upgrade. It is not absolutely necessary to upgrade all the cpe on this network, but it would be a good practice to do so. If the router is wired only: Rarely is there a need to upgrade unless something is broken, not working or there is a new functionality that you need. Some examples of when it is prudent to upgrade: * You are running ospf and you install a NEWER ROS version somewhere and begin to see problems with ospf (this is common) * You want to do some fancy firewalling and you are running 2.9.x, that only supports sorta fancy * You want to run my QOS and your ROS is older than 3.10 (this is probably the most important reason, IMO :-) ) * You have some odd or unexplainable problem that requires you to contact Mikrotik support. You'll have to upgrade to get them to answer your question in many cases. Be VERY careful upgrading Mikrotik on an X86 system when you go to the next major version. (2.9.x -- v3, v3 -- v4, etc.). There is some hardware that will run 2.9.x and NOT load v3 (same with v3 and v4 and the new v5). If you're not doing anything really fancy, is it worth upgrading your radios all the time? In general, no. Normally, when a radio is about to leave the office and get installed somewhere, I'll put the then-current version of RouterOS on it (right now, that'd be 4.whatever) - then, unless there's a compelling reason to upgrade, the system tends to be left alone. Heck, I've got a few boards with 2.8 on them, and they're chugging along just fine. Good man! I have a DOM with 2.7 on it here if anyone needs a REALLY OLD ROS version. ;-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
They used to have x.y.z, but they abandoned that for some reason. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/1/2010 1:52 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 7/1/2010 2:00 PM, Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 12:08 -0400, Scott Reed wrote: You do, however, need to know what is in the change logs, because you do not always know it is broken. This is my second biggest complaint about Mikrotik. Their changelogs really SUCK! The first biggest complaint is not fit for a public list. Agreed. I've beat them up to add more formal x.y.z type versioning and date/timestamps/ SO far it looks like only a date stamp. Not the way real software engineering is done. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2962 - Release Date: 06/25/10 02:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ClearWire
Smart ass - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/30/2010 12:03 AM, Chuck Profito wrote: Craig McCaw Craig McCaw Headquarters 2300 CARILLON POINT Kirkland Washington 98033 Telephone: (425) 216-7600 Toll Free: 800-305-5873 Fax: (425) 216-7900 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 6:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ClearWire Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vox outage
Just like my support line that runs over VoIP. If you can't call me, I know the Internet is down. If you can't call them, I'm sure they know the service is down. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/30/2010 9:03 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Yes, IP connectivity to their SIP servers is gone so everything is down hard. Sure would be nice if they ran their support line out of band. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Jeremie Chism wrote: Anyone else using vox experiencing an outage. I am unable to get anyone there to figure out what is going on. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vox outage
From my standpoint, would my customers rather me babble on the phone with them about the problems, or fix them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/30/2010 9:29 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm sure they are aware of the problem, but it's simply poor business practice to not be able to communicate with their customers during a service outage. Service disruptions make customers unhappy. Service disruptions with no information provided to customers make them REALLY unhappy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Just like my support line that runs over VoIP. If you can't call me, I know the Internet is down. If you can't call them, I'm sure they know the service is down. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/30/2010 9:03 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Yes, IP connectivity to their SIP servers is gone so everything is down hard. Sure would be nice if they ran their support line out of band. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Jeremie Chism wrote: Anyone else using vox experiencing an outage. I am unable to get anyone there to figure out what is going on. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT, new IP addresses blackholed
Agreed. I've been on NANOG for 6 years. Lots of useful and useful information on there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/28/2010 9:44 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, We're trying to get some newly assigned IP addresses to work right. 199.204.200.x thru 199.204.208.x My upstream tells me that their upstream is trying to work with ATT on the issue (that's where a trace route dies). We can get to most internet sites, but those within ATT's network seem to be dumping into a black hole. I've GOT to get my addresses online. We're completely out of space on two of our class c's. Any ideas for me? marlon Marlon, Have you tried posting to NANOG to see if someone from ATT is on there that could help? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] ClearWire
Does anyone have a non consumer-facing contact at ClearWire? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four222 The smallest you can request is a /22 if multihomed. https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#two7 It appears they have changed the definition. It used to include a section on going to be multihomed in 30 days or some bit. If not multihomed, the smallest you can request is a /20. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/26/2010 8:22 AM, Alan Bryant wrote: Apparently I talked with the wrong. Person or things have changed. ARIN told me that I needed to be multihomed or show the need for a /20. On Jun 26, 2010 6:32 AM, Francois D. Menardfmen...@xittel.net wrote: You do not need to be multihomed, just need to demonstrate intent to be multihomed... And show need for 400+ IP's -- fmen...@xittel.net On 2010-06-25, at 17:21, Alan Bryanta...@gtekcommunications.com wrote: We do not have them fr... WISPA Wants You... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Authoritative BIND issues
I dumped the VM, started from scratch using webmin to build everything and we came out well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/25/2010 4:27 PM, Bradley D. Thornton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 And now upgrade ;) http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2009-4022 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-0097 It will never end with BIND - MUUUuuhahahahaha! pls see below for additional comments. On 6/4/2010 2:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I got the errors to stop (period after the Origin, put there by a config generator), but it still doesn't answer for itself and looks to the roots and so on. Don't do that Mike. If I'm issuing the command as I stated below, it shouldn't matter that the public authoritative server is elsewhere, would it? Yes it absolutely does. What you might do, depending on what you're trying to do, is create a new NS RR for it in the master db file, and then slave the master. You can also make your machine a manual master by doing an AXFR of the zonefile from the AUTH server, then changing the SOA and NS Records in that zonefile to indicate that your new server is actually the (or at least one of) AUTH name server for that zone. But really, most of the reasons you would do the second item (which it sounds like you're trying to do), probably aren't part of why you're doing this. If you want the server to answer AUTH, then merely slave the master, coz what you're doing is bordering on what is known as creating a 'hidden master'. Which is what we do with servers for rootzones or TLD zones where the real master isn't even accessible from the outside, and only allows for zone AXFRs from the machines that are 'slaving' the hidden master, and even though they're slaving it, it is their IPs that are in the NS records as AUTH for the zone(s), making them AUTH, and masters, even though they're slaving the zone from a hidden master. We do this too in registries. I'm trying to build this new system without messing with the production system. Just edit the db file for the zone in question on the master, adding your new box as AUTH for the zone w/an NS RR, then on the new box, merely slave the master. Don't forget to up your serial before HUP'ing the master when you load the new zonefile. if you are trying to set up a new forward facing master, and slave the zone from a hidden master, then the SOA should be the machine that is slaving the hidden master, and all other AUTH servers should simply slave that machine's zonefile, with their glue included in that file. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/4/2010 1:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm trying to setup a new authoritative BIND server, but all test queries I issue to the server (dig @serversIP test.domain) get forwarded to the root servers and so on. My zones have recursive searching disabled. How is this happening? There are errors in loading the zone, but if all queries are being sent out to the public Internet, how am I going to be able to test the new system? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- Bradley D. Thornton Manager Network Services NorthTech Computer TEL: +1.760.666.2703 (US) TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK) http://NorthTech.US -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJMJR80AAoJEE1wgkIhr9j3bNsH/Arq5Vy7fQiSgKrQDqfQq0mM +Qp4Psg20GgTVeBDsDytH13MSNUrPu+3JhaUbPc+b7hr+f7qxgbXfardhLQxpP2V mI2A3NZB2TfMAMYKhdrYEJOedCrFa/Jmz6gjDuQvvDUQG3aCE0N10mXhkXBgsTUJ F+FGLRAlvAhWB5TimXhV+vWfmwNjkz55jaWPv/lBN3VGosfoVmcAtvizV3yywixx Ia+pYrgpGw98ao4/tbdwt4ZHF7syPJ98DHa3qCo5GEqD9ljujcyU8olpjptx5W/l FYEfikQeTF/LgCdCESifeNrHrjQofrfqvtKxXOUpf/WkGVMDHchZOjDH7mrQ/+I= =F0dn -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign
That's where PPPoE (dhcp probably would as well) and extra addresses come in. When a tower runs out of a subnet, you can just add another subnet, or move to a larger one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/25/2010 4:21 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: We do not have them from ARIN, but we are in the process of getting more from our upstream. ARIN will not give us any until we are multi-homed or have at least a /20 I think they said. Anyway, we haven't run out yet, I'm just trying to get an idea and plan for what we will do if we run out on a single AP or tower location. I've never encountered anything like that, and have not found anything in my limited searching that is similar enough to give me an idea. On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If you're getting your IPs from ARIN and are running out, clearly you can justify another block. Is there not enough time for this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Alan Bryant a...@gtekcommunications.com wrote: We are in the process of redesigning our entire network from our upstream all the way to the customer. Currently everything is bridged and on the same physical network. Obviously we are wanting to change this for many reasons. Subnetting it out on the private side isn't a problem, but the public side is. We are leaning towards having routeros based routers at every tower and subnetting all the way to the AP's. We don't have enough public IP's to allow enough room for much growth. My main question is, what is the best course of action once you run out of IP's at an AP or tower? What is the most efficient way of bringing more IP's in without renumbering everything? I appreciate any and all responses on or off list. Let me know if more information is needed to give better answers. - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Network Redesign
I think it's more alarming that Interop has a /8. Something that's only open 4 times a year needs 16 million IPs? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/25/2010 5:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think you mean Ford? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IP_address_blocks Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: It's not that easy anymore. Seven years ago when we applied to get our first ARIN block, it took about 2-3 days and some paperwork. We got a /18 without too much trouble. A year ago, we started the process to get another block. This took over a month, with over 30 emails back and forth, and even then they would only allocate us a /20 because that's all we would need for the next 2 years. When I asked about year 3 and on, they said re-apply for more space then. Meanwhile, places like Mercedes have a /8 and they are using less than 1% of it. :( Travis Microserv Bradley D. Thornton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 6/25/2010 2:21 PM, Alan Bryant wrote: We do not have them from ARIN, but we are in the process of getting more from our upstream. ARIN will not give us any until we are multi-homed or have at least a /20 I think they said. Getting new blocks from you upstream should take them about 10 minutes. I recommend you go straight to ARIN and do the justification for a /16. um... Just think about your network as it will be in ten years, at your current rate of expansion, and then project your need ahead two months instead of 10 years, and you'll be fine. I got all my /24 and /16 NET-BLKs from nic.ddn.mil under direct assignment a couple of decades ago, but they were requiring justifications even when it was internic.net, before ARIN. Anyway, we haven't run out yet, I'm just trying to get an idea and plan for what we will do if we run out on a single AP or tower location. I've never encountered anything like that, and have not found anything in my limited searching that is similar enough to give me an idea. On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If you're getting your IPs from ARIN and are running out, clearly you can justify another block. Is there not enough time for this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Alan Bryant a...@gtekcommunications.com wrote: We are in the process of redesigning our entire network from our upstream all the way to the customer. Currently everything is bridged and on the same physical network. Obviously we are wanting to change this for many reasons. Subnetting it out on the private side isn't a problem, but the public side is. We are leaning towards having routeros based routers at every tower and subnetting all the way to the AP's. We don't have enough public IP's to allow enough room for much growth. My main question is, what is the best course of action once you run out of IP's at an AP or tower? What is the most efficient way of bringing more IP's in without renumbering everything? I appreciate any and all responses on or off list. Let me know if more information is needed to give better answers. - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com - -- Bradley D. Thornton Manager Network Services NorthTech Computer TEL: +1.760.666.2703 (US) TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK) http://NorthTech.US -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJMJSEKAAoJEE1wgkIhr9j3uuoIAKB/8AkHziOZCOKRycZtTk+d loyN/Zhh9HlhUN8WcrlFrYbedHZF4F7Cjun9VtF4/Uh2cMIP5LH8AwHokgASiwJ4 BAq6fdi+6JgJ8CKB30Oj+eQyxP/SY4aaHf2QIhs8FwuaWGA1j8PnjyDZBS3ucUYp 6Gvu1JlF9UhYjwIA1I+RYTUqRUrQlNw59E8uVyZwXvT/QmxH0rZs58SHW0EU65Ch Lvn/xV7K4Wcv32PYeMT24cHg+ygh+d9EKix84W8B7vLqeSd1vnm1CSwrfRzxdog8 cZxli+q76ICjMGbFk/tLqOKMBjxjCBAVueHBu9vs9z7GTM/KgQg6H2bGA86ZCh8= =KUIB -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] MicroTik HWMPplus mesh?
Fred, all these years I've known you, I had no idea you had wireless knowledge like this. Usually those wireline guys are pretty focused in their knowledge. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/20/2010 11:19 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 6/20/2010 12:32 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: You know your stuff in-side out, hands down there is no argument about that :) Thanks. :-) Getting back to your original quest... You are going to find the following:- The non-licensed wireless world is not as mature as the wire line world... think of today's wire less world being what the wire line world used to be about 10 -15 years back. Most of what you are citing from the Ethernet World, only became available and in common use in the last 10 years or so... before that, everyone was happy doing conversions from TDM ...(speaking loosely). In the wireless world of today, especially what folks here deal with, have some set outer boundaries ... a few of these are things like... performance, based on standard(s) , LOW COST, small in power consumption, etc etc... It is different... in particular, the WISP community knocks a few zeroes off of the allowable costs. I like that... you can put up a node for what your basic Bell would pay for a jumper cable or the like. This is the only way to make service affordable in small clusters, like50/node. The FCC-blessed approach, in contrast, is to have a rural ILEC spend $20k+ per subscriber to pull glass or hybrid fiber-copper to the neighborhood, and charge the rest of the country for it via the USF. In this case we're in the outskirts of an ATT exchange, so there's no USF for them, and thus no service beyond dial tone. In the wireline world, we look at Vyatta as this super-low-cost alternative to that company that rhymes with Crisco. Here, Vyatta is that high-end alternative to a Latvian import. Those other guys, the ones that basically control the IETF, don't play. I like that too... ... BTW, Aaron Kaplan was trying to say, in not too many words.. that most of the mesh networks which have utilized the traditional Wireline protocols, (weather they are single frequency or not) have the usual problem .(most wireline protocols are not concerned with link quality...), and this is the reason why they developed the OSLR ... which takes link quality into account as well when making routing decision.. but you are not going to find OSLR in commercial radios not at the moment... That's one reason why MicroTik's HWMPplus looked attractive. It is designed for wireless, and claims to take link conditions into account. It looks like a direct competitor for OSLR. If you look at all of the folks who are delivering successful mesh products, you will find them to be using 'proprietary' developed mechanisms to deal with the issues..e.g. Ruckus Wireless uses it's special antennas and a 'zone controller' to keep the Mesh radios in tip top shape, by dynamically adjusting all of the parameters on a real time basis.. As far as finding a multi-radio board... there are a few available best to see the link to Wili Box site that I had sent in an earlier email... they list out a number of mfg. for both the sbc's and the radios.. the question you will have to figure out is..on what part of the 'network design' ... 'ip routing ?' you will be willing to make a compromise on...and you still have not addressed the question of Antennas:) after using a good working 802.11n radios with MiMo Antennas... it is rather hard to go back to regular stuff... I'm definitely interested in MIMO. LTE, which is starting to be rolled out in the CMRS world and, separately, in the public safety radio world, includes MIMO, both beamforming for range and parallel transmission for close-in speed. If I could find a pole-top system (mesh node) that did dynamic MIMO instead of using sectorized antennas, it'd be a serious win. Also, 4x4 MIMO is probably coming out soon, and at 5.8 GHz a proper 4x4 antenna is still pretty small, and has of course a lot more gain (and interference notching) than 2x2. WiMAX can have MIMO too (it's an option), but I haven't seen it in the unlicensed low-cost world. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 6/19/2010 8:50 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: This is one of the problems with any kind of best efforts routing or bridging. Loss does accumulate. Of course it's the single-frequency meshes where loss goes totally gaga. One of the advantages of Carrier Ethernet with Q-in-Q is that CIRs can be assigned to different points along the way, with reserved capacity, so the near-in nodes don't hog everything. I don't think HWMPplus does full CE, but it may have some tools to play with. If anybody can suggest a better software load for a field-mountable multi-radio processor, notably one that does MEF
[WISPA] GPS synced systems
Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
That's what I thought you'd need and would happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:50 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR. So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS sync'd with Canopy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
How much are you buying ($ and mbit)? I haven't seen a map of Level3's latest EON product, but there were WilTel EON huts in Dragoon and Bowie. Both are about 30 miles from you. Benson is a bit further at 40 miles. I don't know the terrain there (hilly, mountains, flatland), but if it's at all barren, you should be able to shoot to those areas in a hop or two. Worst case you could built all the way to Tuscon. Again, it depends on what you're doing now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 5:09 PM, Jason Wallace wrote: Gang, I've been working away, keeping my head down and nose to the grindstone for a while. Last week, I finally looked up and calculated what my little WISP is making after 5 years of working on it and working another job (sometimes 2 jobs, one of which is being a youth pastor) for 60 to 80 hours per week. For the time I put into the WISP, I make somewhere between 5 and 6 dollars per hour. My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. Is there any one out there that knows something I don't about bandwidth possibilities? Currently, the margin is just too thin. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
Sounds like a great contact to have... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 6:30 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line
I went to his website to see where he was. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 7:41 PM, Blake Covarrubias wrote: Where in AZ are you? I just noticed you said you're 25-30 miles from, and not in, Willcox. I have a great working relationship with a provider who has service in Sierra Vista. Are you close to that? -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 17:00, Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com wrote: Lol Blake...beat me to the punch =) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line Jason, Have you SparkPlug.net to see they have service in your area? We operate in Yuma, AZ (and surrounding areas). If I recall correctly SparkPlug approached us a while back trying to sell us very cheap 100mbps transit. If they have connectivity in your area they may be able to offer similar pricing. We own most of our tower sites throughout our service area. If you'd like to contact me off-list I could put you in touch with someone at my company would be able to help you find or build towers in your area. -- Blake Covarrubias On Jun 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Antennasearch.com might help. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Do an FCC search for towers between yourself and Tuscon and/or Willcox. you may be able to put together a path across existing towers. You may even find a tower that has bandwidth that you can buy at a better rate than 533.00/Meg. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Bottom Line The nearest town of any size is Willcox Arizona, 25 to 30 miles away. T1's there are $400 ish per month, which is an improvement. Because of regulations and contractors, etc, towers in Arizona are a huge expense; 30k or so minimum. No do-it-yourselfing. I am looking at this option, but it is a lot of effort for a little improvement. Tucson is the nearest major city. It is 80 miles and 2 mountain ranges away. David E. Smith wrote: On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 17:09, Jason Wallacesupp...@azii.net wrote: My biggest obstacle (and expense) is bandwidth. I am in the high desert of SE Arizona, and there are $800 T1's. That's all I've found. What's the nearest major city? Is bandwidth substantially cheaper there? You may want to consider investing in a big backhaul link from there, to you. Yeah, the one-time costs of putting up a tower or three, especially if you need to invest in licensed links, can be pretty harsh, but if you're in it for the long haul it may be worthwhile. David Smith MVN.net --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti - Success Feels Good
Could test by setting up a pair of single pole dishes, align one, misalign the other. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/12/2010 12:08 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I would still like to know what it's going to do when an entire polarization gets jammed with noise? Will the radio still pass traffic? Or will there be so many errors that it will overtake the link and nothing will work? Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I jsut wanted to mention, that it really does give peice of mind knowing that there is a MIMO technology out there that I can count on, that is inexpensive. I just finished my 4th Ubiquiti PTP link (over last two weeks). Once again, Painless and perfect. I got 38mb one way 22mb the other with 10Mhz Channel MCS 15. And with 20Mhz channel up to 69mbps one way, and 80 the other. Link Quality nad Capacity showed like 96%. LAtency was also down under 2ms. But my point here is not the speed. It was that it was easy. I just put it up, and it worked. Air view was helpful, finding channel. All 4 installs worked that way. No hassle, no fuss. This last one was a 15 mile link, Rocket5M on each side, with PACWireless 2ft dish on one end and a 23 db panel on the other. Nothing has ever been this easy. With that said There were some confusing things. I ran V on Chain0, and H on Chain1 got -66, then for grins swapped conectors on CPE side only, so Chain0 was H and Chain1 was V and got -65. I do not understand why this happened. I would have thought signal should have dropped by -20 db or so? Wierd. This did not just happen when in Alignment mode. I may have been in MCS7 mode at the time though. So it appears it must be transmitting on both pols in MCS7 mode, I dont have any other way to explain it. But none the less, it just worked. I'm concern about using it at PtMP, because we use Station WDS, and AP only supports up to 6 WDS clients. So it wont scale for PTMP Briding clients. Unless that can be curred. But I tell you for PTP, or a couple associations, its pretty sweet. (I still like T-Link-45s better when I only need 25-30mbps, but the UBNT has shown to be a wonderful experience, also.) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable
As deep as the trencher goes is my motto. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/11/2010 10:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: All of our cable is now run in conduit. I gave up on direct bury years ago. Eventually it fills with water, gets hit or has the moles eat it. I also normally bury 12 to 18 deep these days. No more cut wires (so far!). marlon - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burying Cable This is easy... Explain to your customer that you do not trench and you have to run cable across the yard. Lay the cable out and tell them to bury it. I tell my customers to bury the cable buy placing a shovel in the sod and just cutting down far enough to get under the sod. Then stuff in the wire. This technique does not apply if the customer: Runs horses as lawn mowers. Uses one of those 'aerating' machines. discs the yard (yes, this has happened) Have 'digging' dogs... or Black labs (black labs LOVE outdoor cable) I allow for one splice for free for the above. Additional trips cost money. ryan On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Other than renting or buying a small trenching machine (That I'm sure I'd use to slice every cable and natural gas/water/sewage line within 20 feet of me the first time I use it) I'm interested in seeing if there is a tool that will let a person (Or corporation) push low voltage cable down below the sod. I have a design in mind but if there is already something out there I'd like to see it. Yeah, to buy it or maybe rip them off and make my own from how theirs look... It's a thing.. Anyhow, I normally take a shovel and make a slit in the sod and stuff the cable down in it but doing a 100+ foot run can make your day less fun than it already was. Anyone using any human powered tool (Other than a shovel or paying some kid 20 bucks to do it for you) to bury cable? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency
Aggregation really isn't needed in your case. Aggregation packages multiple packets into a single wireless frame. This saves on airtime and enables higher throughput. On a busy system where the higher throughput is needed, so many packets are hitting that the delay is minimal. On low usage systems, it has to wait for enough packets to hit to send it along. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/10/2010 12:59 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: Guess what. I flashed the latest beta and it's never been better. Even under load ping times are 2-3ms at most and most are1ms. I still have aggregation turned off. Greg On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Robert West wrote: I shudder to suggest the new beta But if you're good with just turning it off, might be the best idea! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency 5.2. Greg On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Robert West wrote: I thought I saw something about that in the UBNT forums. Are you running the 5.2 final or the new Beta firmware? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency Though I'd pass this on. I have BulletM2 as AP fed to two NanostationM5's as a backhaul that goes to a 512k down/128k up satellite connection. Theoretically the pokey internet connection shouldn't be able to send enough data through the network to flood the network to capacity however I was seeing some very high ping ack times (frequent occurrences latency of 250ms or more and sometimes quite a bit higher) through the network. I then noticed I was getting the high ping latency just pinging to the BulletM2 (while connected to the BulletM2 so the pings are just from the client to the BulletM2 and back to the client). We're not running any servers on the network or doing file sharing so there's no reason for the network to be so busy causing high latency. I started changing settings on the BulletM2 and when i switched aggregation off I noticed the problem went away. Anybody else see this? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/7/2010 9:21 AM, Alex Perez wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?
I knew the 4G coverage before I bought the phone. It's only 20 minutes to 4G land and I travel there frequently (5+ days a week). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/5/2010 6:57 PM, Robert West wrote: :( Sounds like a lot of my customers out in the sticks who fell for the 3g pitch. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 11:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews? Today, I have it in my hands, but I'm not under 4G coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/4/2010 9:53 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes it is, Sprint owns Clear and they are releasing a phone (HTC 4G) some time soon. The times I used it, it was not very good at all. High ping, low bandwidth, but these were all the 'pro' install cabled to a indoor AP. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Isn't it Clear's wimax service? On 6/4/10, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisorevdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: hi guys... it's been a while! So since the whole 3g thing went mega corporate and independents like me got pushed out, i havent paid much attention to the wireless space ... but has anyone here used sprint's 4g network? -- Robert Q Kim 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 http://disastearth.com Natural and Man Made Disasters http://bioprin.posterous.com Health Myths You Still Believe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?
I've seen articles saying that (I haven't read any of them), but I don't buy it. Just a few bloggers trying to make a stink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/5/2010 9:30 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: I know they call it 4G, but it's not 4G. See http://www.wirelessweek.com/Archives/2007/10/WiMAX-is-3G/ Even LTE (when deployed) won't be 4G, only LTE Advanced will, but LTE will be much closer to 4G than WiMAX 802.16e, see http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/4g/3gpp-imt-lte-advanced-tutorial.php. May be 802.16m can achieve 4G goals, if WiMAX still lives by then. Rubens On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: hi guys... it's been a while! So since the whole 3g thing went mega corporate and independents like me got pushed out, i havent paid much attention to the wireless space ... but has anyone here used sprint's 4g network? -- Robert Q Kim 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 http://disastearth.com Natural and Man Made Disasters http://bioprin.posterous.com Health Myths You Still Believe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Authoritative BIND issues
I'm trying to setup a new authoritative BIND server, but all test queries I issue to the server (dig @serversIP test.domain) get forwarded to the root servers and so on. My zones have recursive searching disabled. How is this happening? There are errors in loading the zone, but if all queries are being sent out to the public Internet, how am I going to be able to test the new system? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Authoritative BIND issues
I got the errors to stop (period after the Origin, put there by a config generator), but it still doesn't answer for itself and looks to the roots and so on. If I'm issuing the command as I stated below, it shouldn't matter that the public authoritative server is elsewhere, would it? I'm trying to build this new system without messing with the production system. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/4/2010 1:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I'm trying to setup a new authoritative BIND server, but all test queries I issue to the server (dig @serversIP test.domain) get forwarded to the root servers and so on. My zones have recursive searching disabled. How is this happening? There are errors in loading the zone, but if all queries are being sent out to the public Internet, how am I going to be able to test the new system? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?
Sprint owns 51% of Clear. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/4/2010 7:34 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Isn't it Clear's wimax service? On 6/4/10, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisorevdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: hi guys... it's been a while! So since the whole 3g thing went mega corporate and independents like me got pushed out, i havent paid much attention to the wireless space ... but has anyone here used sprint's 4g network? -- Robert Q Kim 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 http://disastearth.com Natural and Man Made Disasters http://bioprin.posterous.com Health Myths You Still Believe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] sprint 4g reviews?
Today, I have it in my hands, but I'm not under 4G coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/4/2010 9:53 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Yes it is, Sprint owns Clear and they are releasing a phone (HTC 4G) some time soon. The times I used it, it was not very good at all. High ping, low bandwidth, but these were all the 'pro' install cabled to a indoor AP. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Isn't it Clear's wimax service? On 6/4/10, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisorevdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: hi guys... it's been a while! So since the whole 3g thing went mega corporate and independents like me got pushed out, i havent paid much attention to the wireless space ... but has anyone here used sprint's 4g network? -- Robert Q Kim 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 http://disastearth.com Natural and Man Made Disasters http://bioprin.posterous.com Health Myths You Still Believe WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] You knew it was coming...
I believe Android systems will. I'll know for sure Friday when I get the Evo 4G. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/2/2010 1:54 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: All of this would be not as big of a deal if ATT gave you a meter kind of like what Comcast does. I have seen the stats for my phone and I don¹t use anywhere near 2 Gig. I have a fairly active e-mail account that checks every 30 minutes, do a fair amount of web searches, use trapster when I go on trips, facebook, etc. I don¹t do much streaming like Pandora or videos so I am not worried. The iphone is neat in the fact that WIFI takes precedence over the Cellular net. So when I walk into my house it automatically switches to wifi for the apps. I assume the droid will do this as well. Justin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I have setup Unbound with DNSSEC. Oddly enough, both NameBench and DNS Benchmark report my Windows DNS server as faster than Unbound, while Unbound is faster than my previous BIND setup. DNS Benchmark consistently rates my local servers faster than anything else on the Internet, while NameBench reported most of its public servers as faster than mine. Ideas as to why? I didn't check to see if there were any overlaps in the public DNS servers they used. Too many IPs to compare. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/26/2010 11:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wireless mesh in the trees?
I am re-posting this from a CLEC related list by a man whose CLEC knowledge I really respect. Hopefully he joins the list. I wonder what experiences any wireless ISPs on the list have with radios that work underneath the foliage canopy. I'm looking at a site where the houses are mostly surrounded by tall trees, and where a multi-hop mesh looks like the most practical way to deal with the terrain for backhaul. (It's still unserved for good reason. Good on the demand side, though.) This sounds like 900 MHz is ideal, but are there any decent mesh products (not single-frequency digipeaters) that have a 900 MHz access radio? Ye Olde Canopy looks to be getting long of tooth, but is there a better alternative? Thanks. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Are you taking the M series into consideration when stating this? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/27/2010 4:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Ubiquiti will not do 50+ stations. Period. You might get 25 on low bandwidth rates (2x512). On 5/27/10, finkle dinklechar...@gmail.com wrote: Yea, I will want to specialize only in businesses truthfully, when I say that I will support residential, they're going to pay business rates and I will hand pick the people if they call me.. I dont want headaches Unfortunately I do not knowingly buy Motorola brand products for personal reasons. I do want to stick to ubnt brand products but I dont know exactly how many NanoBridge M5's I could connect to a single one, so I dont want to have to end up with the entire roof covered with antenna's. The 50mbit I could offer internally with ethernet or vdsl would be great if it was symmetrical (vdsl), I want to be able to do this, just trying to figure out how much I'd sell 50/50. Thanks On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Thought BPL was dead -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Or BPL. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs to get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the customer. Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Then you could provide the access via dsl in the building. That would be the logical route to go I think. -Richard -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Justin, appreciate your suggestion. I've been looking around and will continue to. Josh, the gbit ptp will be done through fiber to the building, then whoever in the building wants service.. will pay set up to get set up with ethernet or fiber to my office. I know I could get enough business inside the building to cover half the cost of everything because I'm pretty sure there is a company here with quite a few T1's, overpaying and not getting what they deserve. I've always been a proponent of maxing stuff out so I will be a great benefit to the tenants. So if I'm able to set something up externally, I may be able to actually break even and profit some, I actually know I could profit but I want this to be more of a service to the people who are unable to get anything decent out here. Thanks On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the name. I even recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity forums. Anyhow, welcome. I would suggest reading through the archives for some good discussions on things. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:28:35 -0700 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp My first recommendation would be to legally change your name from Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more business-like. I'd recommend something like Joe Smith or Bob Jones. finkle dinkle wrote: So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. doubt I could. Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not in the building but through wireless), are there devices that dont have to rely on LOS ? I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support 20-50 clients externally with the devices and which devices.. I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking to be the point guy for other tech operations for these potential clients.. Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even not.. how much are you looking at from all your cost
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
If you can do the in building DSL in multiple buildings, consider PtP wireless links among the buildings. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/27/2010 8:48 PM, finkle dinkle wrote: Yep, I will look and test ubnt equipment.. I'm in no rush, just learning legalities and stuff. I never thought about vdsl from the phone room, that's a great idea.. Ultimately I'd love to bring a gig ptp in there and be able to do everything that I wanted to do in the past and be able to subsidize it by offering some wireless customers heavy bandwidth, I could beat the wimax pricing from towerstream at least. I'm looking to only gain like 10 business clients using wireless. I dont want to overwhelm myself. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Well...you need to look at it from another standpoint. A vast majority of businesses that we are going to be signing up are either 3-6MB/s DSL or us. You can oversubscribe a 430 AP very well at those rates. And I would argue that those customers wanting more bandwidth would be better served with a PtP connection and would definitely pay for it, considering the cost of the alternative (Fiber,DS3, MetroE, etc.). Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp I don't know about 50 - it totally depends on your customers' bandwidth rates. On 5/27/10, Jerry Richardsonjrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: if you are not going with moto, then the ubiquity airmax stuff would be as good a choice as any. you might get 20 business class subs per ap and you should be able to get 3 120deg sectors on the roof. you will run into self interference problems at around 20 subs per AP. unfortunately you will already be committed to the ubiquity and there is no going back. gotta rip it all out and rebuild with canopy or add more AP's in another band. compare that to 50+ subs per canopy AP and none of the self interference problems inherent in non-sync'd gear. ~Sent mobile~ On May 27, 2010, at 5:53 PM, j284...@yahoo.comj284...@yahoo.com wrote: Rocket w/matching sector Sent from my BlackBerry(r) -Original Message- From: finkle dinklechar...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:51:37 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Well, I'm not saying I want a single AP, just trying to determine which route with UBNT products would support the most per client On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I was thinking the same thing... I want to be business class and go the cheap-o route. By a Yugo, get Yugo quality...especially if you think 50 business customers on a single ap is going to work well in an urban area with UBNT. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Your Moto bias will cost you. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Yea, I will want to specialize only in businesses truthfully, when I say that I will support residential, they're going to pay business rates and I will hand pick the people if they call me.. I dont want headaches Unfortunately I do not knowingly buy Motorola brand products for personal reasons. I do want to stick to ubnt brand products but I dont know exactly how many NanoBridge M5's I could connect to a single one, so I dont want to have to end up with the entire roof covered with antenna's. The 50mbit I could offer internally with ethernet or vdsl would be great if it was symmetrical (vdsl), I want to be able to do this, just trying to figure out how much I'd sell 50/50. Thanks On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Thought BPL was dead -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Or BPL. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs to get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the customer
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Again before we compare who has the bigger Schwartz, high customer counts per AP are only relevant if you're selling small bandwidth. You cannot put 150x 15 megabit customers on a Canopy AP (you can't on UBNT either, for that matter). People have been clamoring high customer per AP densities for years, but I've found that specification to be useless because you can't simply do today's bandwidths on a system like that... especially what finkle dinkle is trying to do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/27/2010 10:34 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 1. While I don't disagree with most of what you are saying, show me the day that a UBNT product can have 160+ clients connected to it with sub 10ms ping times to them all. One single AP, passing 7mb aggregate of traffic. I've had Trango, Canopy, and a huge pusher of MikroTik (same proto as UBNT). Canopy by far beats them in scale, there is no question about it. Most non-Canopy people don't want to hear it, but I started drinking the Moto Kool Aid about a year ago. My support calls of customers on Trango vs Canopy vs Mikro/UBNT is astounding. For every 50 service calls, about 8 of them are for Canopy customers, where the installer did not properly use the correct size antenna or alignment was off. The others are Mikro/UBNT problems from interference or other issues. The Trango is calls because the capacity sucks. 2. Range wise, we have Moto clients 18 miles out. MikroTik/UBNT, we had them at 22 miles out. Those are extremes for us, so I don't see how range is an issue...unless you are working with 15+ mile customers for the majority...again, most of us are not. Antenna wise, there are available products from LMG to max out the EIRP. Anyone can do those shields for any type of antenna...regardless of UBNT or Canopy. The problem is, yes you can get 40 customers on an AP...split it up into sectors and get maybe 120. Do the same on Canopy, and it's 600+ clients per site. So, if you are looking to only do 120 (with perfect 0 interference from outside sources, which is highly unlikely in his urban market)...it scales. If you want more...you get the picture. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 10:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp I am not disagreeing with the advantages of Canopy. No doubt Canopy is a quality carrier grade type system. BUT, to be fair There are other factors to consider.. 1) Syncing can be effective for spectrum reuse, and extremely useful. But, it can become less effective and sometimes can still be subject to self-interference as the nework grows, such as when the sub's distince away from towers varies drastically between sectors. The reason us that sectors can hear CPEs behinds it in some capacity, not just teh CPEs in front of it. For example, IF sector 1 has a sub at half mile, and Sector2 has sub at 10 miles. Sector2 may hear sector1's sub louder than it hears its own subscriber 10 miles away. For syncing to work optimally without self interference, all the Client's signal levels at the AP ideally should be received at similar signal strenth, so that the Front to back ratios of sector antennas is enough to isolate the two sectors. Whether that is possible may depend on the frequency range you use, and what antennas are available to easilly deploy. With Canopy C/I spec of 3db helps a lot, but the plastic case lets more noise reach the unit. We ran into this when comparingto Trango. trango only had about 7db C/I, but the thick metal case had muchbetter F?B than Canopy did, so it average out. 2) Canopies have signficantly shorter range because by default config (integrated antenna models) they use APs and SUs with lower DB antennas and wider beamwidths, so not able to operate at peak EIRP. Also note that gain by antenna has a double effect. Meaning for an AP, it increases the receives from CPEs as well as the transmits to CPEs. So a large penalty is taken if an AP has an lower DB antenna than competing products. Canopy has many different models now, and antenna design is not the same with them all, so I dont mean to stereotype the product line. In an Ubquiti AirMax solutions, they have optimally strong sector antenna options. And they have the flexibilty for a wide array of antenna choices for CPEs. That flexibility can be useful, and it is affordable to achieve. Saying that Ubiquiti wont be able to scale, and one day will need to be pulled out, is not necessarilly true. There are enhancements to beef up Ubiquiti. For example, some jsut made a nice steel antenna shield, that adds a huge amount of Front to back ratio teh
Re: [WISPA] Nationwide POTs Aggregator
I've been trying to get information out of FaxBocchs (or however you spell it) about their coverage, since they pretty much guarantee Faxes will pass over IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/25/2010 7:45 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Does such a thing exist? Basically need fax lines at remote office locations, and would prefer dealing with a single source (perhaps a CLEC) rather than multiple companies -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nationwide POTs Aggregator
Right. I'm trying to get their NPA-NXX coverage, but when they told me my area, they reported NPA-LATA, which is useless. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/26/2010 9:21 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote: I can tell you how it works. To make this answer short.the faxxbochs functions like a receiving fax machine. When you send a fax the faxxbochs generates a dial tone, the fax sends the fax to the the faxxbochs. The faxxbochs converts it to a file and sends it to their fax servers on the other end which send your fax to it's final destination by analog lines. Incoming follows the reverse steps. So Internet connection quality or speed has no effect on faxing. I have seen most of the faxes delivered within 30 seconds but that would be determined by how many pages and how much bandwidth you have. Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I've been trying to get information out of FaxBocchs (or however you spell it) about their coverage, since they pretty much guarantee Faxes will pass over IP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/25/2010 7:45 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Does such a thing exist? Basically need fax lines at remote office locations, and would prefer dealing with a single source (perhaps a CLEC) rather than multiple companies -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fast DNS cache
I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. Recommendations? Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff. -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/26/2010 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/DNSTester.aspx Greg On May 26, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :) Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: That is true. I can live with it though ;-) Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: I can't believe how fast the google servers are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the quickest caching DNS server is. Google keeps telling me to go to Open DNS. I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network. If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, I think). If you want to install your own, just use BIND. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11n and 40MHz channels in 2.4GHz?
N is MIMO with 5, 10, 20, or 40 MHz channels. What type of clients are you using? I'm not even sure why UBNT still makes the Bullets. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/22/2010 12:19 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I have a BulletM2 (with 5.2 firmware) which I'm using as AP. Clients will only associate with it when it's using 20MHz channels. Isn't the whole idea with wireless N about using 40MHz channels (channel bonding) for higher throughput? So I started googling. I saw one Google return (on the search page) that seemed to indicate using 40MHz was prohibited in 2.4GHz (maybe for clients?) but when I started clicking on links I couldn't find an article that said as much. But I have noticed this, when I set my BulletM2 to 40MHz channels the clients won't associate. Is this just a UBNT issue? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds?
In many areas, it's illegal to throw away any electronics due to the materials involved. On 5/17/2010 10:27 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: This brings up another point. What do you do with old gear that just plain isn't worth keeping? Its taking up valuable space and you can't even give it away so the landfill is looking like its final resting place. I have been thinking lately of using my old TR-CPE-200's as clay pigeons but then I would have to go clean up the mess.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds? Hello, I've asked before, but I still haven't got an answer. Does WISPA have any online classifieds for used WISP equipment? I'm looking for a licensed link, and I have mountains of Trango 5800(-d), Trango 900, Tranzeo, and a few Trango ATLAS backhaul units I'd like liquidate. (I've also got a HUGE pile of Raylink, alvarion 900, and SmartBridges, but I'll probably have to just haul those to the dump). I'm thinking of throwing up a classifieds page for WISPs, but I really don't want to duplicate, if someone else already has one. Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds?
Well right, same here. Our county has 2 or 3 days a year where they accept stuff. On 5/18/2010 9:32 AM, Jack Unger wrote: There are electronics recyclers who accept scrap then break it down for the metal content. You just need to find one in your area. In our area, there are many such businesses. Mike Hammett wrote: In many areas, it's illegal to throw away any electronics due to the materials involved. On 5/17/2010 10:27 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: This brings up another point. What do you do with old gear that just plain isn't worth keeping? Its taking up valuable space and you can't even give it away so the landfill is looking like its final resting place. I have been thinking lately of using my old TR-CPE-200's as clay pigeons but then I would have to go clean up the mess.. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] WISPA classifieds? Hello, I've asked before, but I still haven't got an answer. Does WISPA have any online classifieds for used WISP equipment? I'm looking for a licensed link, and I have mountains of Trango 5800(-d), Trango 900, Tranzeo, and a few Trango ATLAS backhaul units I'd like liquidate. (I've also got a HUGE pile of Raylink, alvarion 900, and SmartBridges, but I'll probably have to just haul those to the dump). I'm thinking of throwing up a classifieds page for WISPs, but I really don't want to duplicate, if someone else already has one. Thanks, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com http://www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220jun...@ask-wi.com mailto:jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests
Not everyone already has Java? On 5/13/2010 5:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: As much as I love Java...I don't want my installer to spend 10 minutes installing/updating/rebooting for the JRE. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: Just keep on top of the speed test mini. It expires on a semi-regular basis. All you have to do is go back and re-download the newest one. -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 17:20:23 -0400 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer Speed Tests Speed test mini is probably the best. http://www.speedtest.net/mini.php Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net wrote: From time to time I get customer complaints when they use various offsite speed tests. Does anyone know of good speed test software that I can set up on my network? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [OT] Chicken Currency
I love that story. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/25/2010 12:24 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: 95% of the members of this list are probably not familiar with an old WISPCON story that had to do with chickens being currency in Latvia and how I love to throw some abuse at the Mikrotik guys about this when I see them. For those 5% though, I think you will appreciate that perhaps the Latvians are actually ahead of us: http://lowdenplan.com/ The full Mikrotik chicken story is at the end of this email, for those of you who might be interested. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com The Mikrotik Chickens story During one of the Chicago WISPCONs (4 or 5, I believe) we had an off-campus excursion that involved limosines, liquor and late night activities. At one point in the evening, I was in a limo with Arnis from Mikrotik. For those who don't know him, Arnis is a very softspoken and intelligent guy. The rest of the people in the limo were pretty loud and raucus, while Arnis mostly sat quietly and watched. At some point in the conversation, John Scrivner asked him what the gentlemen's clubs in Latvia were like. At the same time, someone else was talking about getting some fried chicken and coming up with money to get it. Between the two conversations, I thought that something was said about chickens being used as currency in Latvia. Smart ass that I am, I thought I'd make a comment: Me: Hey John, what's the worst thing about a Latvian gentleman's club? John: I don't know. Me: Slipping the chickens into the dancer's G-string! From that point on, I have been quite boorishly giving the Mikrotik guys the business about chickens as currency. A picture of a chicken in a hotel lobby became the Latvian Express Card. An order of wings is pocket change Etc etc. It has been an endless source of amusement for me, and not particularly funny to anyone else. Arnis got me at the last MUM. He saw my business name (Vistabeam) and started laughing at me. I asked him what was so funny. He said that Vista means chicken in Latvian. So the Latvian version of my business name is Chicken Wireless.Of course, this turned out to be total BS, but I didn't get it figured out until a week later when I went online and figured out that the Latvian word for chicken is calis. Well played Arnis. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced today that their boards of directors have approved a definitive agreement under which CenturyLink will acquire Qwest in a tax-free, stock-for-stock transaction. ... -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT PtP
This is the first I've heard of N-Streme working on Prism. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/28/2010 12:11 PM, Blair Davis wrote: Works on Prism, but ALL cards connected to AP must be Prism Josh Luthman wrote: Pretty sure it's just Atheros. Haven't tried nstreme and Prism... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Wait, N-Stream will work with non-mikrotik cards? I thought it was locked into only MT cards? Bob- -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 11:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP What about N-stream with 900Mhz? Is that just asking for trouble? Bob- -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:23 AM To:aajayi...@as-technologies.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT PtP What 350mw card are you using? I wouldn't use anything less than XR5 or R5H because their receive sensitivity is so much better. Plus you will use MMCX connectors with these two cards which is going to save you a lot of headaches over u.fl. Also definitely turn on N-stream. I had a link that was bouncing around between 75-90% ccq and couldn't ever get it up higher than that. As soon as I turned on N-stream my ccq went to 100/100%. And modulation locks itself at 54/54 all day long. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Akinlolu Ajayi-Obe Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:23 AM To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT PtP I want to setup an MT point to point using two MT 411 boards, 350mw cards and a 23db rootena. Distance is 7km. Is there anything I need to tweak or watch out for? New to MT. I have setup a basic link and tested in the office. Thanks Akin Sent from my BlackBerryR smartphone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I can't find the email now, but Jer sold his wireless operations. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/28/2010 1:18 PM, Stuart Pierce wrote: Larry , Shmary, he don't know jack about running a xISP. Just kidding, Larry knows more about being an xISP than Jer. ;) -- Original Message -- From: Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:32:13 -0400 Larry is correct. I've went towards Mikrotik in these instances due to the overwhelming amount of Go To people and a Wiki on just about anything Mikrotik out there. Not to mention the cut and paste drop in scripts available. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 9:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP I agree that Coding is not equal to Networking. But as I noted... programming IOS or even chucking in routes using command-line on Mikrotik looks like coding. I guess my point was that if you want to start a WISP, be prepared to get your hands dirty. At some point, you are likely to find the need to use a language whether it be IOS, Mikrotik-scripting, Bash, C-Shell, or even Microsoft NT batch language. - Larry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:33 PM To: leyun...@wispadvantage.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Coding != networking :) On 4/27/10, Larry Yunkerleyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: For what it is worth... running a successful WISP will require a certain level of technical expertise and probably a coder. Anyone can throw up a simple access point with a tall antenna and connect it to a LAN, but to grow and reach any sizeable market, you are going to need someone that knows how to configure routing between access points and that will look a lot like coding. Additionally, you will learn that with most solutions, access control, network monitoring and bandwidth management all require some coding. Very few out-of-the-box solutions exist that provide for all of these aspects of WISP operation. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via the WebMail system at avolve.net
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
Usually 5.8 to the tower, and 5.2 for the repeater. I haven't done any repeaters like this since DFS. I do have a couple at 2.4. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 4:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you saying you have two radios in the 433? Are they the same band? The 411 and 433 share the same horsepower, in case anyone didn't recognize that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Most of my repeater sites are about $150 - $200 more than the CPE. I upgrade to a 433 from a 411, add another radio, bulkhead pigtail, jumper, cheap omni or sector. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/27/2010 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.comwrote: Hi Liam: We are a WISPA Vendor and the largest WISP in KY (just an hour or so away from you). I'm not exactly sure what you are after, but I am guessing it is the billing software? We have decided to use Platypus from Tucows after many issues with our homegrown alternative. We are in the implementation phase, so we'll let you know how that goes. We have extensive knowledge and have used Trango, Ubiquiti, MikroTik, Tranzeo, and Motorola Canopy. Hands down, Motorola Canopy handles the most clients with the best throughput. Ubiquiti and MikroTik are a somewhat cheaper alternative, but work well in low-sub count situations. Feel free to give DJ a call, 800-405-9865 and he can guide you in the right direction. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Liam Cummings Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISP Hi all, We are a technologies solutions company located in Cincinnati and trying to become a WISP. We are running into two road blocks. 1 - We need to choose software that doesn't need a coder to operate 2 - Choosing the right access points and other equipment We would love to here your thoughts. Any input would be much appreciated! :-) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
I'll show you a Rocket M5 that has more capacity than entire DSLAMs around here. As wireless gear gets faster and faster while telco provided service remains the same, the place for DSL is becoming less. I won't disagree with your tool comment, but a hammer makes a better striking device than a screwdriver. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 3:00 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood was very negative. I have been getting quite a few of their phone customers that are unhappy. Not to mention centurytel is a nightmare to port from. ATT takes 10 days. Centurytel can take up to 120 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Jack Ungerjun...@ask-wi.comwrote: Jeremie, Is there one overall reason why employees hate it? What is CenturyTel doing wrong? jack Jeremie Chism wrote: I live in Monroe, worked for centurytel for over 5 years. Everyone I know that works there now hates it. Most are looking for new jobs. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 22, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Randy Cosbydco...@infowest.com wrote: http://news.qwest.com/centurylinkqwestmerger *MONROE, La. and DENVER, Co. -- April 22, 2010* -- CenturyLink (CenturyTel, Inc., NYSE: CTL) and Qwest Communications (NYSE: Q) announced
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
MTI is damn good quality. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/29/2010 8:17 PM, Robert West wrote: I hear ya. I will gladly pay extra now to not have to go back over and over. Pays 10X in the long run. I prefer goo quality. :) I'll give it a look to be sure. Bob- - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. Tiltek dual polarity 900 MHz. I have had 8 up for 2.5 years with no problem. Not the cheapest but definitely goo quality. I like to use equipment that I don't have to go back to. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: I'm in need of a 120 or a couple of 90 degree 900MHz H-POL sector antenna(s). Not looking forward to buying worthless CRAP just because I've never had to buy these before so I'm asking who uses what and if it works great. I've done the Omni path, okay but noisy, but this new install needs some decent signal for 2 to 4 miles. Mostly clear path but, ofcourse , into the trees to the CPEs. I've looked at the Super Pass solution and as we all know, I'm a cheap SOB so it fits my budget but I'd gladly pay bigger $$$ for top quality if it's deserved. Thanks. Bob- The cheap SOB --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISP
I'm the exact opposite, I prefer the ECS (the one with the RJ-45) and hate the pass-through one. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/30/2010 8:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I do have to tape the outside connections Mike. But instead of running a pigtail with a bulkhead connector I run an n-f/f bulkhead connector and n-m pigtials. Gotta tape up the antenna connection ONCE. After that, if you change out the radios etc. and need a different pigtail just unscrew the pigtail and your golden. I also run boxes quite a bit bigger than I need. 1'x1'x2 or so. That way I've got a lot of room to move things around, use different boards etc. My *plan* is to not have to change out the boxes anymore. One of the nicest things I've found in a long time is the Pac Wireless pass-through ethernet grip tight. Not the goofy one that requires a screwdriver or little kid to release the tab on the connector. The one that allows the whole cat5 cable to fit through with the connector already on it. Very nice design. Lastly I've been REALLY happy with the Shireen double insulated cat5 with no gel. Instead of a gel it has a paperish wrapping around the wires that somehow expands and seals things when /if it gets wet. This cable is a LOT easier to deal with than the old fashioned grease filled ones! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Mikem...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Marlon: I am very interested in your no more taping bulkhead connector. Do you mean on the NEMA box? What do you use? Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP That's way more than $400 for a repeater site. I don't pay monthly rent of most of them either, but it still costs to build one. Good water tight box, $200+. Coax, $1 per foot or so. $12 each for connectors (unless you buy the cheap junky ones then it's still $4 to $6 each). MT 433 AH board, $100ish XR2 card $100 ish Pigtail, $15 to $25 Bulkhead connector (NO more untaping connectors just to install a new radio) $15 to $25 for the good ones with the o-ring and stainless construction. Battery backup $100+ Ethernet switch $50 to $100 Backhaul to the tower, $200+ Any electrical wiring to be done? $$$ I guess if you use the cheapest of the cheap gear you could get the cost of a repeater below $800 or $1000 but you'll soon find yourself working a lot harder than you should to keep it running right. Been there done that. As I've said before, 1001 ways to depelt that feline. Marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP All of my repeater sites have 0 infrastructure cost. I'm using a TV tower, grain leg, etc. This means the only additional cost is a NEMA box, cheap battery, mt box and omni. Roughly $400. If I get one customer at 35/mo it takes a year for ROI. Two customers six months, etc. I typically charge 45/mo and get 3 people a day after the AP is up. Looking at my third screen I've three repeater sites (at least) with only three subs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: 15 per ap? Man I WISH I could do that out here! I barely break even on a site at 15 subs. (I really hate the sites with 3 to 5 subs on them :-( ). I think my highest site is up to 76 subs or so. Got a couple of them like that. They are certainly feeling the strain but we're out of channels in 2.4. For the busier sites I've started to install 5.8 gig systems over the top of the 2.4 and charge a little more for it. So far people would still rather go with the cheaper stuff even though it's much less consistent in it's performance. For one site I have finally broken down and just install the 5.8 and sell it at the same price as the 2.4 just so that I can get people moved. Now if I could just get more/cheaper backhaul out here. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] New WISP Several little repeater sites I have are Mikrotik APs and Ubiquiti CPEs. No more then 15 stations on each AP off the top of my head. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne
Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout
Depends on the state. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/6/2010 6:52 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:24:46PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: I'll show you a Rocket M5 that has more capacity than entire DSLAMs around here. As wireless gear gets faster and faster while telco provided service remains the same, the place for DSL is becoming less. I won't disagree with your tool comment, but a hammer makes a better striking device than a screwdriver. Can you show me a Rocket M5 that reaches customers across half the state? We use wireless where DSL either doesn't exist or sucks. The margins are thin, but the costs aren't too terribly extreme if you have a couple thousand DSL customers, at least with our ATT and Windstream telcos. It helps to keep your old dial-up customers on your service until you can get the wireless network built to them. 2000 customers, one piece of gear, fire and forget for the most part. It is becoming less and less attractive as the telcos get more aggressive post-deregulation, but there is still a significant segment of our customer base we can't reach without it. On 5/6/2010 3:00 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: Because dsl has more bandwidth available to it? It can let you bring extra capacity into relay sites, offload constant transfers, etc. Otherwise,I agree. The cost is crazy high (more then buying the same loop + net from the telco). Its a tool, use it where right. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm not sure why WISPs resell DSL is any significant capacity. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 4/26/2010 11:31 AM, Ryan Ghering wrote: CenturyLink has the worst billing system in the country. We resell DSL through them, let me tell you its a nightmare. Takes a few months to get new customers on the billing worksheet, and even longer to get them off, its a daily fight to get credits for over billing, AND our per customer bill rate was supposed to be changed over 18 months ago, and they JUST changed it 2 months ago. Cost us 30k on over billing that they refuse to credit back now. I could go on and on but its just not what I want to rant on today :).. The boss and I had a great conversation on Friday.. all about moving every DSL customer we have over to our wireless network. Now is the time for any qwest or CTEL reseller to get off their networks. Happy Monday!! Ryan On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: If anyone has multiple PSTN lines at multiple addresses read this! I had a customer with two PSTN lines at two addresses - one was a gas station, the other an office. After the merger/buyout/whatever they split the bills and left the office one on autopay but the other line was left there to rack up a bill. They never send paper bills on their own - you have to fight to the bone to get one. Took a few hours but they did manage to combine the two lines in to one account again. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ?Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.? --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: yeah. I spent 40 minutes on the phone just trying to get to a support person that could help with a business grade dsl line the other day. The first company that I called (the support line that showed on the internet) said that they (CenturyLink) didn't have any record of the account. They sent me to CenturyTel (who answered the phone as CenturyLink). Gonna be great for MY business if they keep doing things the way that they are! marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Gheringrgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Qwest buyout I live and work in CenturyHell land.. I can tell you this, as of today we are now looking for alternative options of all our ds3's. Including those that cross connect into qwest. If they kill support at qwest for high-cap services like they did their own, its gona be hell on all of us that have qwest connections. Ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jeremie Chismjchi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been heading that way for a while. When they sold the wiress to alltel there were a lot of cuts which didn't go over well. Then the embarq merger has some wondering what their job responsibilities are and if they will have a job. I was at the corporate office a few weeks ago and the mood
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I know significantly more people on unemployment that view it as an alternative to an honest job as opposed to a supplement until they get a new job. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually
Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
I've had one fail. I haven't had a problem with any of the others, though if you're saying they RMA them all, maybe I will... or at least look at flashing them with the correct firmware. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives FYI. If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte) and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should backup your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA.The 7200.11 can be usually found on the top left hand corner. I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same time and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as my own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were flashed with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then eventually fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time if installed at the same time. I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they replaced that one as well with no questions. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
I've used exclusively Seagate drives since WD and others dropped their warranties to 1 year. Only had 1 drive fail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: FYI. If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte) and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should backup your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA.The 7200.11 can be usually found on the top left hand corner. I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same time and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as my own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were flashed with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then eventually fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time if installed at the same time. I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they replaced that one as well with no questions. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
How can you be a system builder anymore? I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the low quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop will work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've found for system builders are servers, gaming machines, and other custom one-off applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less than $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... is significantly cheaper than DH, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point where after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a distributor. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Steven Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with Seagate. Get a good distributor like ASI . Steve On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy adamkenn...@omnicity.net wrote: Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good luck with WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with Maxtor and Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO Western Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! In my lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of drive you buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just asking for issues. Western digital I would stick with anything Black edition or better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the cheapy versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not tested before leaving the factory. -- Adam Kennedy Network Engineer Omnicity, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives In 25+ years of experience, Seagates Maxtors have always been a let down. Western Digital is the best. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now but china-mart finally caught up to them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: FYI. If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the terabyte) and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they have been having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you should backup your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA.The 7200.11 can be usually found on the top left hand corner. I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the same time and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As well as my own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and thought others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were flashed with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then eventually fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the same time if installed at the same time. I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they replaced that one as well with no questions. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
