If you can do the in building DSL in multiple buildings, consider PtP wireless links among the buildings.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/27/2010 8:48 PM, finkle dinkle wrote: > Yep, I will look and test ubnt equipment.. I'm in no rush, just > learning legalities and stuff. > > I never thought about vdsl from the phone room, that's a great idea.. > Ultimately I'd love to bring a gig ptp in there and be able to do > everything that I wanted to do in the past and be able to subsidize it > by offering some wireless customers heavy bandwidth, I could beat the > wimax pricing from towerstream at least. > > I'm looking to only gain like 10 business clients using wireless. I > dont want to overwhelm myself. > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Chuck Hogg<[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well...you need to look at it from another standpoint. A vast majority >> of businesses that we are going to be signing up are either 3-6MB/s DSL >> or us. You can oversubscribe a 430 AP very well at those rates. And I >> would argue that those customers wanting more bandwidth would be better >> served with a PtP connection and would definitely pay for it, >> considering the cost of the alternative (Fiber,DS3, MetroE, etc.). >> >> Regards, >> Chuck Hogg >> Shelby Broadband >> 502-722-9292 >> [email protected] >> http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:21 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >> >> I don't know about 50 - it totally depends on your customers' bandwidth >> rates. >> >> On 5/27/10, Jerry Richardson<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> if you are not going with moto, then the ubiquity airmax stuff would >>> be as good a choice as any. you might get 20 business class subs per >>> ap and you should be able to get 3 120deg sectors on the roof. you >>> will run into self interference problems at around 20 subs per AP. >>> unfortunately you will already be committed to the ubiquity and there >>> is no going back. gotta rip it all out and rebuild with canopy or add >>> more AP's in another band. >>> >>> compare that to 50+ subs per canopy AP and none of the self >>> interference problems inherent in non-sync'd gear. >>> >>> ~<Sent mobile>~ >>> >>> On May 27, 2010, at 5:53 PM, "[email protected]"<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Rocket w/matching sector >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry(r) >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: finkle dinkle<[email protected]> >>>> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 17:51:37 >>>> To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>> >>>> Well, I'm not saying I want a single AP, just trying to determine >>>> which route with UBNT products would support the most per client >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Chuck Hogg<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was thinking the same thing... I want to be business class and go >>>>> the cheap-o route. By a Yugo, get Yugo quality...especially if you >>>>> think 50 business customers on a single ap is going to work well in >>>>> an urban area with UBNT. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Chuck Hogg >>>>> Shelby Broadband >>>>> 502-722-9292 >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:12 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>> >>>>> Your Moto bias will cost you. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle >>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:44 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>> >>>>> Yea, I will want to specialize only in businesses truthfully, when I >>>>> >> >>>>> say that I will support residential, they're going to pay business >>>>> rates and I will hand pick the people if they call me.. I dont want >>>>> >> >>>>> headaches >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately I do not knowingly buy Motorola brand products for >>>>> personal reasons. >>>>> >>>>> I do want to stick to ubnt brand products but I dont know exactly >>>>> how many NanoBridge M5's I could connect to a single one, so I dont >>>>> want to have to end up with the entire roof covered with antenna's. >>>>> >>>>> The 50mbit I could offer internally with ethernet or vdsl would be >>>>> great if it was symmetrical (vdsl), I want to be able to do this, >>>>> just trying to figure out how much I'd sell 50/50. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Jerry Richardson >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Thought BPL was dead >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On Behalf Of RickG >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:28 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>>> >>>>>> Or BPL. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chism<[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs >>>>>>> to get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the >>>>>>> customer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, "Robert West"<robert.w...@just- >>>>>>> micro.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then you could provide the access via dsl in the building. That >>>>>>>> would be the logical route to go I think. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Richard >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:wireless- >>>>>>>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:08 PM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Justin, appreciate your suggestion. I've been looking around and >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> will continue to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh, the gbit ptp will be done through fiber to the building, >>>>>>>> then whoever in the building wants service.. will pay set up to >>>>>>>> get set up with ethernet or fiber to my office. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know I could get enough business inside the building to cover >>>>>>>> half the cost of everything because I'm pretty sure there is a >>>>>>>> company here with quite a few T1's, overpaying and not getting >>>>>>>> what they deserve. >>>>>>>> I've always been a proponent of maxing stuff out so I will be a >>>>>>>> great benefit to the tenants. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So if I'm able to set something up externally, I may be able to >>>>>>>> actually break even and profit some, I actually know I could >>>>>>>> profit but I want this to be more of a service to the people who >>>>>>>> are unable to get anything decent out here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Justin Wilson<[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the >>>>>>>>> >> name. >> >>>>>>>>> I even >>>>>>>>> recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity >>>>>>>>> >> forums. >> >>>>>>>> Anyhow, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> welcome. I would suggest reading through the archives for some >>>>>>>>> good discussions on things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Justin Wilson<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> http://www.mtin.net/blog >>>>>>>>> Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Jack Unger<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:28:35 -0700 >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My first recommendation would be to legally change your name >>>>>>>>> from Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more >>>>>>>>> business- like. >>>>>>>>> I'd recommend something like "Joe Smith" or "Bob Jones". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> finkle dinkle wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of >>>>>>>>>> neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted >>>>>>>>>> to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm >>>>>>>>>> not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at >>>>>>>>>> the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the >>>>>>>>>> building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. >>>>>>>>>> doubt I could. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not >>>>>>>>>> in the building but through wireless), are there devices that >>>>>>>>>> dont have to rely on LOS ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how >>>>>>>>>> many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support >>>>>>>>>> 20-50 >>>>>>>>>> clients externally with the devices and which devices.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, >>>>>>>>>> undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking >>>>>>>>>> to be the point guy for other tech operations for these >>>>>>>>>> potential clients.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even >>>>>>>>>> not.. >>>>>>>>>> how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you >>>>>>>>>> actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume >>>>>>>>>> your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to >>>>>>>>>> the datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but >>>>>>>>>> what are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the >>>>>>>>>> bandwidth, less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a >>>>>>>>>> meg, how much should I be selling it ? >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> recommendations ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 >>>>>>>>>> megs for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per >>>>>>>>>> meg... >>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>> my model right or wrong ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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