Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Mike Hammett]

What's the heading you're reading? That's for a private peer. You only do those 
if A) you meet their requirements and B) your public peering connections are 
full. Otherwise, you just use public peering.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:30:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

>From their site, I have also spoken to them via phone on both the box option 
>within the network and the peering option.

https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/guidelines

Interconnection(s) should occur in mutual locations with SMF 10Gb Ethernet 
interfaces.
At least 2 Gb/s of aggregate IPv4 traffic, measured using 95th Percentile in 
either direction, must be exchanged on an ongoing basis.
Each interconnection shall have no less than 10 Gb/s of capacity.

Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Their own web site contradicts what you're saying.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an arrangement, 
they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect. If you have a 
representative from Netflix who says different, please send it to me offlist, 
as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and have access to some of 
their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -----
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

----- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to pee

Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Carlos Alcantar]

I believe if your asking netflix to use a dedicated port on there router
for your 10g interconnect they will want some minimums.  If you peer with
them on a public IX eg. TelX/Any2/Equinix I'M sure they will not care
about the traffic amount.

Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com





-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:04 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Their own web site contradicts what you're saying.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an
arrangement, they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect.
If you have a representative from Netflix who says different, please send
it to me offlist, as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and
have access to some of their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as
well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to
Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is
free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port
on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but
also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering
connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> He

Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[mike]

>From their site, I have also spoken to them via phone on both the box option 
>within the network and the peering option.

https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/guidelines

Interconnection(s) should occur in mutual locations with SMF 10Gb Ethernet 
interfaces.
At least 2 Gb/s of aggregate IPv4 traffic, measured using 95th Percentile in 
either direction, must be exchanged on an ongoing basis.
Each interconnection shall have no less than 10 Gb/s of capacity.

Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:04:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Their own web site contradicts what you're saying.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an arrangement, 
they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect. If you have a 
representative from Netflix who says different, please send it to me offlist, 
as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and have access to some of 
their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but
also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering
connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
&g

Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Mike Hammett]

Their own web site contradicts what you're saying.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an arrangement, 
they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect. If you have a 
representative from Netflix who says different, please send it to me offlist, 
as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and have access to some of 
their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but
also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering
connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
> _

Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yep ! it is nice to off load like this, for us, Netflix is very small, (most of 
our customers are business).
Bulk of the traffic you see on the chart, is for a couple of other ISP's that 
we are peering with in Miami... 


BTW... we are working on getting connected to the NOTA Peering Fabric in Miami 
too... that is a bit more expensive and challenging. However when costs are 
spread across a number of folks, they become rather palatable.

Last thing I was pushing for, was having the Google folks connect to the Route 
Servers are the Public Peering excahnges, so that smaller ISP's like us can 
take advantage of such an arrangement (i.e. no minimum traffic levels required).

The are internally discussing the possibility of doing so.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Carlos Alcantar" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:23:08 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Your traffic looks similar to ours based on %'s.  Netflix and Akamai at
the top traffic list.

Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com





-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:07 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If you are talking about connecting via public peering..

Please see enclosed pdf...

Our traffic...

Hopefully this will answer some questions..

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an
arrangement, they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect.
If you have a representative from Netflix who says different, please send
it to me offlist, as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and
have access to some of their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as
well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to
Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is
free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port
on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -----
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 

Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Carlos Alcantar]

Faisal,

Your traffic looks similar to ours based on %'s.  Netflix and Akamai at
the top traffic list.

Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com





-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:07 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If you are talking about connecting via public peering..

Please see enclosed pdf...

Our traffic...

Hopefully this will answer some questions..

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an
arrangement, they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect.
If you have a representative from Netflix who says different, please send
it to me offlist, as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and
have access to some of their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as
well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to
Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is
free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port
on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but
also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering
connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
&

Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Mike,
Feel free to call me .. it might be easier to discuss this on the phone.

(BTW, most of the Senior Network folks responsible for Netflix Peering hang out 
on the NANOG list)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:00:17 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an arrangement, 
they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect. If you have a 
representative from Netflix who says different, please send it to me offlist, 
as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and have access to some of 
their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but
also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering
connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this

Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[mike]

Faisal,

Are you sure? I have recently contacted Netflix about just such an arrangement, 
they require 2 GB/s as a minimum with a 10 GB interconnect. If you have a 
representative from Netflix who says different, please send it to me offlist, 
as we are very interested in peering with Netflix and have access to some of 
their listed peering points.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Joey Craig" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 4:53:35 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but
also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering
connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Joey Craig]

If anyone is actually using this service, can your hit me offline at
joey.cr...@firenet1.com or give me a call at (662) 510-0764. My boss as well
as myself have a few questions about the service.

Joey Craig 
Network/RF Engineer
Firenet1.Com
Phone:  (662) 510-0764
Mobile: (662) 404-1118
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE
Peering Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is free
to peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these
peering points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport
Connection to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port on
their router, to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry
minimum traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections
to the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but
also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering
connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ___
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Let me take this into a greater amount of detail:-


There are 'Public Peering Exchanges', these are either operated by a 
ColoFacility Owner or an independent entity.

e.g. Telx (Telx Internet Exchange)  (http://tie.telx.com)
 Anyone can purchase a 1gig port or a 10gig port connection to the TIE Peering 
Fabric.
 There is a cost attached for this, and in case of Telx, it is paid to Telx.

Once one is connected to a Peering Fabric such as this on.. then one is free to 
peer with anyone who wishes to peer with them at this Peering Fabric.

Netflix, is present at a number of these peering points, and at these peering 
points, there is no minimum traffic level requirement from them
==

The other type of peering would be if one was to Build a transport  Connection 
to the Entity (Netflix e.g.), and have netflix allocate a port on their router, 
to have dedicated private peering.

This would need to be negotiated with them, and would very likely carry minimum 
traffic level requirement.

I believe this option is great if you are an isp utilizing 10g connections to 
the net.

For most of us, connecting via a Public Peering Exchange is the most 
economically feasible option.

Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 3:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic 
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but also 
> have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering 
> connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ___
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> Wireless@wispa.org
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Mike Hammett]

Each facility will be different, but generally yes, you would pay for the cross 
connect. If you didn't meet the requirements for a private peer, then you would 
use a public peer and pay them whatever they want.

https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect/guidelines

General Requirements 1 - 6 are what apply. The next three are only if you want 
a private peer (direct connection to them, not through a general switching 
fabric. The server option only makes sense with 100,000 or more subscribers in 
a given market.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: m...@tc3net.com
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic 
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but also 
> have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering 
> connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ___
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> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[mike]

Faisal,

Do you just need to pay for the Cross Connect?

Open Connect requires 5 GB sustained from your AS's.

Regards
Michael Baird

- Original Message -
From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic 
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

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- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but also 
> have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering 
> connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Sorry for the late reply.

We have a 1G connection to the TIE.
Peering with Netflix over a peering exchange does not have any traffic 
requirements.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 5:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but also 
> have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering 
> connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Carlos Alcantar]

Also note if you want to do the appliance you will have to be bgp capable
as well as be able to do a 5gbps fill rate for a min of 2 hrs to turn up
the unit.  At those rates your typically already in a IX that you can just
peer at the fabric.

https://netflix.hs.llnwd.net/e1/us/layout/signup/deviceinfo/OpenConnectDepl
oymentGuide-v2.4a.pdf

Carlos Alcantar
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-Original Message-
From: Bryce Duchcherer 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:08 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Do you know anything about the caching server?
Do they install that at the IX's or can you install that at your site when
you peer?
It looks intriguing.

Bryce Duchcherer
NETAGO
bduc...@netago.ca



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

+1 on this netflix super hd video can eat up some good amount of bw at
6/7mbps per flow for super hd.

Carlos Alcantar
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-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Anything the public peer accepts.



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- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering,
>but also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this
>peering connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Mike Hammett]

Each level has higher requirements

1) Public Peer
2) Private Peer
3) Caching Server


There aren't any secrets. All of the information is on their web site.



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- Original Message -
From: "Bryce Duchcherer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:08:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Do you know anything about the caching server? 
Do they install that at the IX's or can you install that at your site when you 
peer?
It looks intriguing.

Bryce Duchcherer
NETAGO
bduc...@netago.ca



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

+1 on this netflix super hd video can eat up some good amount of bw at
6/7mbps per flow for super hd.

Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com





-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Anything the public peer accepts.



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- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, 
>but also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this 
>peering connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Bryce Duchcherer]

Do you know anything about the caching server? 
Do they install that at the IX's or can you install that at your site when you 
peer?
It looks intriguing.

Bryce Duchcherer
NETAGO
bduc...@netago.ca



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Carlos Alcantar
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

+1 on this netflix super hd video can eat up some good amount of bw at
6/7mbps per flow for super hd.

Carlos Alcantar
Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com





-Original Message-
From: Mike Hammett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

Anything the public peer accepts.



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- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, 
>but also have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this 
>peering connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Mike Lyon]

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but also 
> have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering 
> connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

[Mike Hammett]

Anything the public peer accepts.



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- Original Message -
From: "Mike Lyon" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 4:41:49 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform

You have to peer with them at 10g, right? Or do they have other options?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2013, at 13:09, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> We are peering with them on the Telx TIE in Atlanta.
> (We are not only using this connection for our own network peering, but also 
> have a few other ISP, which are interconnected, utilizing this peering 
> connection... some in Atlanta, other in Miami)
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Lyon" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 1:34:25 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix Open Connect Platform
>
> Anyone been able to connect up with Netflix on this new platform?
>
> -mike
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix to offer free caches to ISPs

[Jon Auer]

Doesn't really affect me because the bandwidth crunch is at the last
mile link to the customer.
That said, we do ~30Mbps of Akamai traffic over peering and every meg
we don't have to pay for is nice.
The trick to getting CDN stuff when you have low traffic volumes is
wait for someone big (huge university, for example) to get it and then
peer with them.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Shaddi Hasan  wrote:
> I just came across this article on Netflix's plans to start running
> their own CDN. They're going to be offering free peering at a few
> IXPs, and are offering free cache appliances for ISPs with large
> amounts of traffic.
>
> http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/2012/06/netflix-announces-new-content-delivery-network-offering-free-caches-to-isps.html
>
> More information from Netflix itself is here:
> https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect
>
> Does anyone here plan to pursue this? How much would something like
> this actually resolve your Netflix issues, or is the bottleneck inside
> your network rather than at the access link?
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix to offer free caches to ISPs

[Travis Johnson]

The internet is free... don't you know that yet Doug? :)

Travis
Microserv


On 6/5/2012 9:43 AM, Doug Clark wrote:
I agree.  The problem is not the bandwidth from my headend, it is the 
last mile which is killing the deal for me.  This whole streaming 
video over the Internet
thing is absolutely insane!  With a bird (satellite) I can deliver 
content to 280 million people with just 6 gigs worth of data 
transfer.  If I do the same across the
Internet it will take 1.5279510989 zettabytes  Talk about total 
inefficiency!

/---Original Message---/
/*From:*/ Darin Steffl <mailto:dcsho...@gmail.com>
/*Date:*/ 6/5/2012 9:22:49 AM
/*To:*/ WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
/*Subject:*/ Re: [WISPA] Netflix to offer free caches to ISPs
They require at least 2Gbps of Netflix traffic across your network at 
all time and require you connect the box to a 10Gbps port to our 
network. I really doubt there are many WISP's out there running this 
much Netflix traffic at one time. A few but nowhere near the majority. 
Also, for many of us, this probably isn't the problem of running out 
of internet transit but rather having AP's at capacity for which this 
would not solve at all.


On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Shaddi Hasan <mailto:sha...@cs.berkeley.edu>> wrote:

I just came across this article on Netflix's plans to start running
their own CDN. They're going to be offering free peering at a few
IXPs, and are offering free cache appliances for ISPs with large
amounts of traffic.

http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/2012/06/netflix-announces-new-content-delivery-network-offering-free-caches-to-isps.html

More information from Netflix itself is here:
https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect

Does anyone here plan to pursue this? How much would something like
this actually resolve your Netflix issues, or is the bottleneck inside
your network rather than at the access link?
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix to offer free caches to ISPs

[Doug Clark]

I agree.  The problem is not the bandwidth from my headend, it is the last
mile which is killing the deal for me.  This whole streaming video over the
Internet
thing is absolutely insane!  With a bird (satellite) I can deliver content
to 280 million people with just 6 gigs worth of data transfer.  If I do the
same across the
Internet it will take 1.5279510989 zettabytes  Talk about total
inefficiency! 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Darin Steffl
Date: 6/5/2012 9:22:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix to offer free caches to ISPs
 
They require at least 2Gbps of Netflix traffic across your network at all
time and require you connect the box to a 10Gbps port to our network. I
really doubt there are many WISP's out there running this much Netflix
traffic at one time. A few but nowhere near the majority. Also, for many of
us, this probably isn't the problem of running out of internet transit but
rather having AP's at capacity for which this would not solve at all.


On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Shaddi Hasan 
wrote:

I just came across this article on Netflix's plans to start running
their own CDN. They're going to be offering free peering at a few
IXPs, and are offering free cache appliances for ISPs with large
amounts of traffic.

http://blog.streamingmedia
com/the_business_of_online_vi/2012/06/netflix-announces-new-content-delivery-
etwork-offering-free-caches-to-isps.html

More information from Netflix itself is here:
https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect

Does anyone here plan to pursue this? How much would something like
this actually resolve your Netflix issues, or is the bottleneck inside
your network rather than at the access link?
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix to offer free caches to ISPs

[Darin Steffl]

They require at least 2Gbps of Netflix traffic across your network at all
time and require you connect the box to a 10Gbps port to our network. I
really doubt there are many WISP's out there running this much Netflix
traffic at one time. A few but nowhere near the majority. Also, for many of
us, this probably isn't the problem of running out of internet transit but
rather having AP's at capacity for which this would not solve at all.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Shaddi Hasan wrote:

> I just came across this article on Netflix's plans to start running
> their own CDN. They're going to be offering free peering at a few
> IXPs, and are offering free cache appliances for ISPs with large
> amounts of traffic.
>
>
> http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/2012/06/netflix-announces-new-content-delivery-network-offering-free-caches-to-isps.html
>
> More information from Netflix itself is here:
> https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect
>
> Does anyone here plan to pursue this? How much would something like
> this actually resolve your Netflix issues, or is the bottleneck inside
> your network rather than at the access link?
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

[Jeremie Chism]

I use it as another line with VOX. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> Doesn't that eat up your battery having to maintain a 3G connection in
> order to receive VoIP calls? Which software do you use?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> I already use VoIP on my iPhone on 3G. That way I give out that number 
>> instead of my real cell phone number.
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>> Sent from my iPhone4
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

[Jeremie Chism]

Nimbuz or fring. I don't see any additional battery drain. I don't keep it up 
after I sign in. When I hve an incoming call it pops up like a text message. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Jan 27, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> Doesn't that eat up your battery having to maintain a 3G connection in
> order to receive VoIP calls? Which software do you use?
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> I already use VoIP on my iPhone on 3G. That way I give out that number 
>> instead of my real cell phone number.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

[Roger Howard]

Doesn't that eat up your battery having to maintain a 3G connection in
order to receive VoIP calls? Which software do you use?

Thanks,
Roger

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

[Jeremie Chism]

I am on the other side of this.  I am in an area with cable, dsl, and fiber.
 My lowest plan is 79.99 which is priced the same as my competition.  People
leave comcast because of the service.  They leave dsl because it is slow.
 When my competition starts pricing their plans with caps I will follow
suit.  Until then I use Butch's QOS and the wimax QOS to shape traffic to
give the customer the best possible experience.  We are going to have to
evolve and grow to meet customer need and expectation to continue to evolve.
 That includes staying on top of technology.  I am already planning an LTE
trial this summer that will hopefully allow me to provide what is needed for
a couple more years.  I feel that this will go the way of the
computerevery few years you may have to scrap everything and start
overor add new equipment to existing infrastructure and sell higher
speed plans to the people that want it.  Comcast is already rolling out 50
and 100 meg plans here.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> I keep seeing complaints from operators talking about the woes of
> Netflix breaking business models etc.
>
> >From certain comments I've seen, many of you seem to be looking at
> this wrong. No-one should ever have sold unlimited data. Unlimited
> data pricing is like T1 or T3 pricing. You can't get unlimited
> broadband for $50/mo. This was destined to fail from the beginning.
>
> Anyone who couldn't see TV ever going over Internet lines was blind.
> And we're only seeing the early beginnings of it. There's going to be
> more and more HD stuff.
>
> Netflix hasn't broken anything. People's service plans were already
> broken. You were selling stuff you couldn't provide. You were
> effectively selling T1 lines for $50/mo. Bandwidth usage was always
> going to go up. Weather it's Netflix or something else. It was only
> time before your business model would fail. We have had bandwidth
> limits posted on our website since 2007.
>
> http://g5i.net/internet.php
>
> People are now starting to hit them. The limits are fairly high. We
> have about 5 or 6 people out of 300 who are hitting them each month
> now. We're going to start throttling to 256k when the cap is met. That
> way they can still do general Internet stuff, without being able to
> watch video. And they can call up and pay extra in 10Gb increments to
> get their high speed back.
>
> At the end of the day people, you are paid to provide an Internet
> connection. Be that to Netflix or Hulu or be that just for email. Sell
> something that you are able to provide.
>
> Take advantage of the situation. I'm getting more and more people
> signing up for my $80/mo package. That means more revenue so I can buy
> more bandwidth. We're trying to accommodate online video as best we
> can.
>
> Don't get me wrong, the sudden leap in bandwidth usage has caught me
> without enough bandwidth. But it hasn't broken my business model...
> yet.
>
> I have seen people talking about triple play. I don't think that's the
> way forward. I think the cell companies are eventually going to have
> to become dumb pipes, and sell just mobile broadband. People will use
> VoIP instead of voice minutes.
>
> Be a dumb pipe, and offer VoIP, also. Let people get their video
> content from online providers. I think this is the way forward.
>
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> Roger
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hulu, etc. The way forward..

[Jeremie Chism]

I already use VoIP on my iPhone on 3G. That way I give out that number instead 
of my real cell phone number. 

Sent from my iPhone4

On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Roger Howard  wrote:

> I keep seeing complaints from operators talking about the woes of
> Netflix breaking business models etc.
> 
>> From certain comments I've seen, many of you seem to be looking at
> this wrong. No-one should ever have sold unlimited data. Unlimited
> data pricing is like T1 or T3 pricing. You can't get unlimited
> broadband for $50/mo. This was destined to fail from the beginning.
> 
> Anyone who couldn't see TV ever going over Internet lines was blind.
> And we're only seeing the early beginnings of it. There's going to be
> more and more HD stuff.
> 
> Netflix hasn't broken anything. People's service plans were already
> broken. You were selling stuff you couldn't provide. You were
> effectively selling T1 lines for $50/mo. Bandwidth usage was always
> going to go up. Weather it's Netflix or something else. It was only
> time before your business model would fail. We have had bandwidth
> limits posted on our website since 2007.
> 
> http://g5i.net/internet.php
> 
> People are now starting to hit them. The limits are fairly high. We
> have about 5 or 6 people out of 300 who are hitting them each month
> now. We're going to start throttling to 256k when the cap is met. That
> way they can still do general Internet stuff, without being able to
> watch video. And they can call up and pay extra in 10Gb increments to
> get their high speed back.
> 
> At the end of the day people, you are paid to provide an Internet
> connection. Be that to Netflix or Hulu or be that just for email. Sell
> something that you are able to provide.
> 
> Take advantage of the situation. I'm getting more and more people
> signing up for my $80/mo package. That means more revenue so I can buy
> more bandwidth. We're trying to accommodate online video as best we
> can.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, the sudden leap in bandwidth usage has caught me
> without enough bandwidth. But it hasn't broken my business model...
> yet.
> 
> I have seen people talking about triple play. I don't think that's the
> way forward. I think the cell companies are eventually going to have
> to become dumb pipes, and sell just mobile broadband. People will use
> VoIP instead of voice minutes.
> 
> Be a dumb pipe, and offer VoIP, also. Let people get their video
> content from online providers. I think this is the way forward.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[David E. Smith]

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:09, support  wrote:

>  has anyone been able to get squid to ease the pain of netflix /hulu
> /youtube ???
>

I've played with it in the past, but never could get much out of it. I think
there are two reasons for this.

First, in my network, the pain is actually last-mile (i.e. the extra load on
the last hop to the customer), and short of putting some kind of psychic
predictive cache in the customer's home, that can't be avoided.

The second problem, and the one that's probably more important, is that even
if the content were easily cache-able (it isn't), there wouldn't be much
point to it, because the odds that any two subscribers are watching the same
TV show, at the same time, with the same video settings, being streamed from
the same Akamai server, or within a few hours of one another, is pretty
slim.

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[support]

has anyone been able to get squid to ease the pain of netflix /hulu 
/youtube ???


if yes can you give some pointers?

Thanks

On 11/2/2010 11:05 AM, Marco Coelho wrote:

Between your border router and a properly configured squid server, you can
replace entire domains using wccp.  It's a pain to manage, but doable.

Marco

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Matt  wrote:


AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use

a

good deal of bandwidth to their network.
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

 Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they
see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s)
might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

Is there an advantage of this over a connection directly to Akamai?

Seems like DNS is used to determine what server to use:

dig @provider's_dns_server a1.d.akamai.net

The bigger providers seem to resolve too an IP right on there network.
  Several others seem to just have a connection right to Akamai.




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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Marco Coelho]

Between your border router and a properly configured squid server, you can
replace entire domains using wccp.  It's a pain to manage, but doable.

Marco

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Matt  wrote:

> >AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use
> a
> > good deal of bandwidth to their network.
> > http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html
> >
> > Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they
> > see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s)
> > might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.
>
> Is there an advantage of this over a connection directly to Akamai?
>
> Seems like DNS is used to determine what server to use:
>
> dig @provider's_dns_server a1.d.akamai.net
>
> The bigger providers seem to resolve too an IP right on there network.
>  Several others seem to just have a connection right to Akamai.
>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Matt]

>    AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a
> good deal of bandwidth to their network.
> http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html
>
> Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they
> see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s)
> might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

Is there an advantage of this over a connection directly to Akamai?

Seems like DNS is used to determine what server to use:

dig @provider's_dns_server a1.d.akamai.net

The bigger providers seem to resolve too an IP right on there network.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix and Akamai

[Jon Auer]

Here is a paper that looks into how Akamai directs traffic:
http://www.aqualab.cs.northwestern.edu/publications/Ajsu06DBA.pdf
When selecting providers, you could look at
http://www.akamai.com/peering/ and http://bgp.he.net/AS20940#_peers to
try to select someone that is close to Akamai.

Beyond that there isn't a lot that you can use to make it go over the
cheapest pipe.
You could try announcing more specific routes over your cheap provider
to ensure that it attracts more traffic, but that could end up
attracting too much traffic.

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Matt  wrote:
> How does Akamai determine which server/IP to stream a netflix movie
> from?  Suppose you peer with a couple providers and you want it to go
> over the cheapest or biggest pipe?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix and Akamai

[Josh Luthman]

Probably anycast like opendns?
On Oct 31, 2010 12:38 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
> How does Akamai determine which server/IP to stream a netflix movie
> from? Suppose you peer with a couple providers and you want it to go
> over the cheapest or biggest pipe?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix goes to Canada partly because of "great Broadband"

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Aren't all Canadian broadband users charged by the meg?
On Sep 23, 2010 12:50 PM, "chris cooper"  wrote:
> Interesting language from the CEO of a consumer services company
> regarding his customer base:
>
> THR: Are you concerned that American Netflix subscribers will look north
> and ask for the same discount Canadians get at $7.99?
>
> Hastings: How much has it been your experience that Americans follow
> what happens in the world? It's something we'll monitor, but Americans
> are somewhat self-absorbed.
>
>
> Doesn't hurt that Blockbuster filed Chapter 11. Maybe the Canadians
> will be able to stream more than the latest Gunsmoke reruns. But they
> still cant stream Red Green. Go figure.
>
> Chris
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>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David Hannum
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:06 PM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Netflix goes to Canada partly because of "great
> Broadband"
>
> Reed Hastings: For now we're focused on Canada. If we succeed in Canada,
> we will certainly look at other markets. But each market is unique, and
> what attracted us to Canada is great broadband, and a great love of
> movies and TV shows.
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix goes to Canada partly because of "great Broadband"

[chris cooper]

Interesting language from the CEO of a consumer services company
regarding his customer base:
 
THR: Are you concerned that American Netflix subscribers will look north
and ask for the same discount Canadians get at $7.99? 

Hastings: How much has it been your experience that Americans follow
what happens in the world? It's something we'll monitor, but Americans
are somewhat self-absorbed.
 
 
Doesn't hurt that Blockbuster filed Chapter 11.  Maybe the Canadians
will be able to stream more than the latest Gunsmoke reruns. But they
still cant stream Red Green.  Go figure.
 
Chris 
Intelliwave
 
 
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Behalf Of David Hannum
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:06 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Netflix goes to Canada partly because of "great
Broadband"
 
Reed Hastings: For now we're focused on Canada. If we succeed in Canada,
we will certainly look at other markets. But each market is unique, and
what attracted us to Canada is great broadband, and a great love of
movies and TV shows.
 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Matt]

> Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of
> bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve
> much of the Akamai content locally.

What would be nice is if you could just drop your own Squid box in on
your network with a wide file size caching limits, open only to your
IP pool, give Akamai your IP pools and the IP of the proxy and they
just tell all devices on your network to proxy through it.  No expense
to them but everyone still saves bandwidth.

Think about it, every high school and college could throw one in as well.

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeremie Chism]

; access providers) dont adapt and upgrade, we will  be left behind.
> But... I'll leave with one critical point..
>  
> How do we accomplish upgrading and adapting in the faster possible way? With 
> Money, right? How do we get money? We need to raise the funds to make these 
> upgrades sooner than later. I see two low hanging fruit sources to put up 
> this money Consumers that can save money by using our service and Content 
> providers paying their share, now when we still have  leverage to encourage 
> them to pony up the cash to fund the upgrades.
>  
> I know what happens when Docsis3 and FIOS come, and the WISP network is NOT 
> yet upgraded. It means lost customers. I wish I could upgrade everything over 
> night, but I cant, not without money. But the more I charge today, the bigger 
> chance I have to earn more money to re-invest, so I'm in a stronger position 
> to compete when Docsis3 and FIOS come.
>  
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: David E. Smith
> To: WISPA General List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so
> that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix
> can continue to get rich?
> 
> If you want to keep residential customers in a competitive market, yeah, 
> you're gonna have to ease back on the profit-taking and build out your 
> network.
> 
> (I noted that you said you primarily serve business customers, so keep in 
> mind that "you" is the generic ISP, not you personally.)
> 
>  
> I am sick and tired of this attitude that "consumers are entitled" and
> "content providers are entitled". They are not entitled to a free ride.
> 
> Nobody has a free ride in this, though. Netflix/Hulu/whoever is paying TV and 
> movie companies for the right to redistribute content via the Internet, and 
> is paying Akamai/Limelight/whoever for bandwidth to do the actual 
> distribution. The end-user is paying Netflix for access to their collection 
> of movies, and is paying you for Internet connectivity in order to receive 
> bits from the Internet (in this case, bits from Netflix). 
> 
> 
> Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control.
> Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to
> 1mbps.
> 
> And I'd be fine with charging my customers one penny per bit (or buy a whole 
> byte for only six cents!) but the customers probably wouldn't like that plan 
> very much at all. If your users are okay with this, go right ahead.
> 
> Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to
> have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable
> businessmen access providers.
> 
> 
> Who, in this scenario, is mooching?
> 
> David Smith
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Tom DeReggi]

>Obviously depends on your infrastructure. We own 19 sites out of the 
>roughly 28 sites utilized in our network. The others we have long term 
>lease agreements for entire rooms, not >just racks. It costs us next to 
>nothing to rack equipment.

And the benefit of splitting the Fiber transport from Transit contract, so 
have Fiber transport out of the colo to a nearby facility that is self 
owned. Put core router in the colo, and then all the servers down the street 
at much more affordable rates. Its getting quite funny now that Gig-E 
transport can be less expensive than a full Rack Cabnet in Colo.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Blake Covarrubias" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Also, hosting their servers is not necessarilyl free. For example, the 
> most
> logicial place to put it might be at one's NOC. That NOC might reside at a
> Colo. At $50 per U of space, that is a residual cost that you will pay.

Obviously depends on your infrastructure. We own 19 sites out of the roughly 
28 sites utilized in our network. The others we have long term lease 
agreements for entire rooms, not just racks. It costs us next to nothing to 
rack equipment.

> And how many Us are each of Akamai's 3 servers in the base configuration?
> Note with 100mb for $150/month in a colo, paying teh reoccuring rack fees
> would be more expensive than buying an extra 100mb of bandwidth, thus I'd
> argue even for the ISP there is a minimum usage capacity before it would 
> be
> cost beneficial the the ISP as well, not just Akamai.

Akamai won't even consider an ISP for the Accelerated Network Partner 
program until there is on average at least 75mbps of traffic flowing between 
ISP & Akamai. At that point I'd say installing Akamai's CDN servers would be 
of great benefit to the ISP. It would cut down on that transit traffic & 
free up external bandwidth for other applications. 100mbps isn't that cheap 
for some of us. In fact its about to cost me an additional $750/mo to add 
that to an existing connection. I'd surely take Akamai's servers over adding 
more transit any day.

Also, the purpose of installing Akamai servers into ones network is to bring 
content *closer* to users. Buying bandwidth will increase your capacity to 
the rest of the world but doesn't do much to reduce latency (unless you're 
already at capacity). Decreased latency is something a customer *will* 
notice. Adding more bandwidth…not so much.

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Tom DeReggi]

ave to earn more money to re-invest, so I'm in a stronger position to 
compete when Docsis3 and FIOS come.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


  - Original Message - 
  From: David E. Smith 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's




  On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi  wrote:

Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so
that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix
can continue to get rich?



  If you want to keep residential customers in a competitive market, yeah, 
you're gonna have to ease back on the profit-taking and build out your network.


  (I noted that you said you primarily serve business customers, so keep in 
mind that "you" is the generic ISP, not you personally.)



I am sick and tired of this attitude that "consumers are entitled" and
"content providers are entitled". They are not entitled to a free ride.


  Nobody has a free ride in this, though. Netflix/Hulu/whoever is paying TV and 
movie companies for the right to redistribute content via the Internet, and is 
paying Akamai/Limelight/whoever for bandwidth to do the actual distribution. 
The end-user is paying Netflix for access to their collection of movies, and is 
paying you for Internet connectivity in order to receive bits from the Internet 
(in this case, bits from Netflix). 




Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control.
Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to
1mbps.



  And I'd be fine with charging my customers one penny per bit (or buy a whole 
byte for only six cents!) but the customers probably wouldn't like that plan 
very much at all. If your users are okay with this, go right ahead.


Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to
have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable
businessmen access providers.





  Who, in this scenario, is mooching?


  David Smith
  MVN.net




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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Matt]

> Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of
> bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve
> much of the Akamai content locally.

Do Akamai cache boxes actually cache Netflix video?  I presume they
cache things like PS3 updates and the like but I would not be so sure
about streaming video.

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Blake Covarrubias]

On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Also, hosting their servers is not necessarilyl free. For example, the most 
> logicial place to put it might be at one's NOC. That NOC might reside at a 
> Colo. At $50 per U of space, that is a residual cost that you will pay.

Obviously depends on your infrastructure. We own 19 sites out of the roughly 28 
sites utilized in our network. The others we have long term lease agreements 
for entire rooms, not just racks. It costs us next to nothing to rack equipment.

> And how many Us are each of Akamai's 3 servers in the base configuration? 
> Note with 100mb for $150/month in a colo, paying teh reoccuring rack fees 
> would be more expensive than buying an extra 100mb of bandwidth, thus I'd 
> argue even for the ISP there is a minimum usage capacity before it would be 
> cost beneficial the the ISP as well, not just Akamai.

Akamai won't even consider an ISP for the Accelerated Network Partner program 
until there is on average at least 75mbps of traffic flowing between ISP & 
Akamai. At that point I'd say installing Akamai's CDN servers would be of great 
benefit to the ISP. It would cut down on that transit traffic & free up 
external bandwidth for other applications. 100mbps isn't that cheap for some of 
us. In fact its about to cost me an additional $750/mo to add that to an 
existing connection. I'd surely take Akamai's servers over adding more transit 
any day.

Also, the purpose of installing Akamai servers into ones network is to bring 
content *closer* to users. Buying bandwidth will increase your capacity to the 
rest of the world but doesn't do much to reduce latency (unless you're already 
at capacity). Decreased latency is something a customer *will* notice. Adding 
more bandwidth…not so much.

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[David E. Smith]

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:20, Tom DeReggi  wrote:

> Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so
> that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix
> can continue to get rich?
>

If you want to keep residential customers in a competitive market, yeah,
you're gonna have to ease back on the profit-taking and build out your
network.

(I noted that you said you primarily serve business customers, so keep in
mind that "you" is the generic ISP, not you personally.)



> I am sick and tired of this attitude that "consumers are entitled" and
> "content providers are entitled". They are not entitled to a free ride.


Nobody has a free ride in this, though. Netflix/Hulu/whoever is paying TV
and movie companies for the right to redistribute content via the Internet,
and is paying Akamai/Limelight/whoever for bandwidth to do the actual
distribution. The end-user is paying Netflix for access to their collection
of movies, and is paying you for Internet connectivity in order to receive
bits from the Internet (in this case, bits from Netflix).


Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control.
> Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to
> 1mbps.
>

And I'd be fine with charging my customers one penny per bit (or buy a whole
byte for only six cents!) but the customers probably wouldn't like that plan
very much at all. If your users are okay with this, go right ahead.

Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to
> have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable
> businessmen access providers.
>
>
Who, in this scenario, is mooching?

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Tom DeReggi]

In areas where I already have 20mb line of sight sectors, yeah, no problem.

But lets face it, to handle video, ISPs are going to have to make network 
upgrades at every sector and CPE, sooner or later.
Who's gonna pay for that? Should I have to give up my profits this year, so 
that it can be re-invested into my network once again, so Hulu and NetFlix 
can continue to get rich?
Even if I replace just the pre-existing customer CPE with a Ubiquiti, at 
$89/radio, that almost a year ROI to break even, IF I still charge the 
customer an additiaonl $9.95/month for their ability to use NetFlix and 
Hulu.

Its sorta like fund raising.  I got an idea... How about asking Hulu, 
NetFlix, and Google, to co-sign my Loan/Lease papers or better yet Lend me 
the money, to make the network upgrades that are necessary for my customers 
to use VIDEO adequately.  I dont see them passing out Loan applications, nor 
do I see their CFO with a pen in hand.

I am sick and tired of this attitude that "consumers are entitled" and 
"content providers are entitled". They are not entitled to a free ride. I am 
not getting rich, and the facts are the majority of my customers need me. I 
provide something to them that they need. And video wasn't one of them 
initially. I never signed up for delivering Video. I CAN deliver video, but 
they have to pay for it, if they want it.  Its not my responsibilty to pay 
for it.

There is nothing worse than a moocher. Thats all these content providers do, 
looking for a free ride, mooch mooch mooch, while they sneak off to the bank 
with their large paycheck.

Sure... I'm perfectly fine with the bandwdith management method of control. 
Bandwdith limit video web sites to 64kbps, and for $9.95 I'll bump it up to 
1mbps.

As a disclaimer... I dont currently block or limit anything. I mostly serve 
high capacity business, so I have not been hit much by the video bandwdith 
abuse yet, so I have been able to overlook the issue, and have not had to 
take any action. And as long as it is not a problem, I have no need to 
address it. But one day it will be a problem. And EVERYONE should ask, "who 
should pay for it?".  In some cases, maybe the ISP should pay for it. For 
example, If they are heathilly profitable, and have reach comfortable scale 
and finance abilty, and in a competitive environment, maybe it is then their 
responsibilty to stay competitive and upgrade at their own cost. But it can 
not be assumed that all ISPs are in that position nor that all consumers are 
in that position..

Whats important to me is that laws are not made that empower moochers to 
have the right to unlimited mooching, at the expense of honorable 
businessmen access providers.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
wrote:
> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>
> Redirect "hulu.com" to "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>
> Alacart content?
>
> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links 
> for
> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
> Providers.
>
> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item 
> for
> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>
> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95 (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or 
> cached
> data :-)
> 5. Enable MYISP TV (Note: charge for access to your own Video services 
> that
> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this 
> site,
> and so non-discriminary)
>
> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content 
> is
> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
> terms and conditions..
>
> So.
> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider 
> charge
> my subs the same?
>
> The problem is NOT charging for content. The

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

The prob;lem I ran into with building out to them is they want those loop
fees for  the fiber huts + a break in fee. I have someone who says
he can get me into a place with out much if any fee, at $20/mbit. We will
see.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

> Yeah, Loop fee's are the killer. On-net bandwidth is cheap bandwidth. I've
> seen cogent come down to $3 per megabit.
> And I've heard of Hurricane electric going as low as 75 cents per megabit.
> Just got to build out to them.
>
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Jeromie Reeves" 
> *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM
> *To*: n...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
> Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit
> pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues.
> Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad
> more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M
> gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting
> fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away
> from that loop fee and that kills it for now.
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>
>> I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3
>> quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash
>> on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just
>> picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a
>> netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was
>> about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've
>> seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all
>> on a PC, Which only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do
>> HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you
>> have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s
>>
>>
>>  Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From*: "Jeromie Reeves" 
>> *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
>> *To*: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 
>>
>> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>>
>>
>> Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
>> if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
>> offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
>> I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
>> server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
>> would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
>> to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
>> would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
>> correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
>> and it would be a good triple.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,  wrote:
>> > Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Jeremie Chism 
>> > Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22
>>  > To: WISPA General List
>>  > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

Yeah, Loop fee's are the killer. On-net bandwidth is cheap bandwidth. I've seen 
cogent come down to $3 per megabit.
And I've heard of Hurricane electric going as low as 75 cents per megabit. Just 
got to build out to them.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit pipe. 
That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues.
Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad more, 
but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M gear, my net 
feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting fiber points out 
at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away from that loop fee and 
that kills it for now.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen  wrote:

I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality 
settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the 
pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what 
works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix 
account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as 
good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump 
all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all on a PC, Which 
only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to 
even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on 
hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s




Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
and it would be a good triple.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,   wrote:
> Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeremie Chism 
> Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22


> To: WISPA General List


> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit
pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues.
Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad
more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M
gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting
fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away
from that loop fee and that kills it for now.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:

> I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3
> quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash
> on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just
> picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a
> netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was
> about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've
> seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all
> on a PC, Which only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do
> HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you
> have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s
>
>
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
>
>
>
> --
> *From*: "Jeromie Reeves" 
> *Sent*: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
> *To*: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 
>
> *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
> Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
> if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
> offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
> I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
> server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
> would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
> to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
> would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
> correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
> and it would be a good triple.
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> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,  wrote:
> > Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality 
settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the 
pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what 
works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix 
account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as 
good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump 
all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do "SD" quality. This was all on a PC, Which 
only does "SD" where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to 
even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on 
hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Jeromie Reeves" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM
To: j284...@yahoo.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
and it would be a good triple.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM,   wrote:
> Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

Yeah, They got back to me today. Said over the last 30 days we have a 9Mb/s 
avg. And 75mb/s is required.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
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From: "Blake Covarrubias" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling 
an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
wrote:
>  How much are you passing to them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  
wrote:
> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 
50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like 
you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 
1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> 

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it
if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could
offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99
I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching
server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users
would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3
to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and
would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the
correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip)
and it would be a good triple.



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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[j2840fl]

Agreed on hulu,its hungry!
Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeremie Chism]

I meant to say this comment referred to hulu not netflix

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Jason Bailey  wrote:

> My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive 
> bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have 
> found.
> 
> --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> 
> From: Jeremie Chism 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM
> 
> Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
> 
> > Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
> > 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
> > let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b
> > 
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> > wrote:
> >> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
> >> 
> >> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
> >> 
> >> Alacart content?
> >> 
> >> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
> >> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
> >> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
> >> Providers.
> >> 
> >> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item 
> >> for
> >> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
> >> 
> >> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
> >> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
> >> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
> >> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
> >> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
> >> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
> >> data :-)
> >> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services 
> >> that
> >> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this 
> >> site,
> >> and so non-discriminary)
> >> 
> >> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
> >> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content 
> >> is
> >> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
> >> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
> >> terms and conditions..
> >> 
> >> So.
> >> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
> >> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider 
> >> charge
> >> my subs the same?
> >> 
> >> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some 
> >> to
> >> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
> >> the content.
> >> 
> >> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
> >> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
> >> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
> >> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
> >> to pay for content.
> >> 
> >>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
> >> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Tom DeReggi
> >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >> 
> >> 
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
> >> 
> >> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
> >> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
> >> policy for those that pay.
> >> 
> >>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
> >> 
> >> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
> >> 
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jason Bailey]

My customers that run 1Mb down use it and have no trouble?Excessive 
bursting,then throttling will cause rebuffering after initial burst i have 
found.

--- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jeremie Chism  wrote:


From: Jeremie Chism 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 7:09 PM


Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

> Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
> 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
> let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> wrote:
>> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>> 
>> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>> 
>> Alacart content?
>> 
>> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
>> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
>> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
>> Providers.
>> 
>> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for
>> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>> 
>> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
>> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
>> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
>> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
>> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
>> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
>> data :-)
>> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that
>> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site,
>> and so non-discriminary)
>> 
>> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
>> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is
>> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
>> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
>> terms and conditions..
>> 
>> So.
>> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
>> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge
>> my subs the same?
>> 
>> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to
>> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
>> the content.
>> 
>> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
>> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
>> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
>> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
>> to pay for content.
>> 
>>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
>> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>> 
>> 
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> 
>> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
>> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
>> policy for those that pay.
>> 
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>> 
>> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>>  wrote:
>>> WAIT...
>>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
>>>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
>>>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
>>>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
>>

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeremie Chism]

Under 3mb causes alot of complaints due to repeated buffeting. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:

> Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
> 1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
> let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  
> wrote:
>> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>> 
>> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>> 
>> Alacart content?
>> 
>> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
>> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
>> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
>> Providers.
>> 
>> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for
>> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>> 
>> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
>> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
>> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
>> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
>> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
>> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
>> data :-)
>> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that
>> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site,
>> and so non-discriminary)
>> 
>> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
>> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is
>> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
>> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
>> terms and conditions..
>> 
>> So.
>> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
>> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge
>> my subs the same?
>> 
>> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to
>> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
>> the content.
>> 
>> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
>> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
>> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
>> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
>> to pay for content.
>> 
>>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
>> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>> 
>> 
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> 
>> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
>> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
>> policy for those that pay.
>> 
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>> 
>> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>>  wrote:
>>> WAIT...
>>> 
>>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
>>>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
>>>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
>>>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
>>>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other
>>>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>>>> 
>>>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
>>>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enfor

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jerry Richardson]

Good idea.

All my models fail. I simply can't charge enough to justify it. The  
lack of spectrum is the limiter.

Jerry Richardson
Sent Mobile

On Aug 31, 2010, at 12:19 PM, "Tom DeReggi"  
 wrote:

> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>
> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart  
> item.
>
> Alacart content?
>
> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup  
> links for
> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big  
> Internet
> Providers.
>
> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow  
> Item for
> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>
> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or  
> cached
> data :-)
> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video  
> services that
> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from  
> this site,
> and so non-discriminary)
>
> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video  
> provider
> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and  
> content is
> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their  
> fees,
> terms and conditions..
>
> So.
> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and  
> $9.95
> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access  
> provider charge
> my subs the same?
>
> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing  
> some to
> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or  
> resell
> the content.
>
> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we  
> are
> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we  
> charge
> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that  
> keeps us
> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been  
> willing
> to pay for content.
>
> If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>
> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
> policy for those that pay.
>
>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>  wrote:
>> WAIT...
>>
>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  
>> 
>> wrote:
>>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
>>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream  
>>> bandwidth,
>>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
>>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
>>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many  
>>> other
>>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>>>
>>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
>>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce  
>>> soon.
>>> I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the cu 
>>>> stomers
>

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeromie Reeves]

Why not bandwidth shape them down to something reasonable? I find
1.1~1.2mbit for netflix and it looks fine. they will each 5mbit if you
let it. This keeps things pretty manageable here.b

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.
>
> Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.
>
> Alacart content?
>
> Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle
> Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for
> downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet
> Providers.
>
> As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for
> EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example
>
> Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
> 1. Enable Hulu $9.95
> 2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
> 3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
> 4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP
> partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached
> data :-)
> 5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that
> you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site,
> and so non-discriminary)
>
> Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider
> sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is
> not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required
> directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees,
> terms and conditions..
>
> So.
> Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95
> more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge
> my subs the same?
>
> The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to
> buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell
> the content.
>
> The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are
> allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge
> more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us
> honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing
> to pay for content.
>
>  If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a
> revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)
>
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>
>
>>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>
> I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
> ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
> policy for those that pay.
>
>>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
> Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
>  wrote:
>> WAIT...
>>
>> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger 
>> wrote:
>>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are
>>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth,
>>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in
>>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the
>>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other
>>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>>>
>>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased
>>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon.
>>> I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>>
>>> -Paul
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers
>>>> that are abusing the service.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Tom DeReggi]

OK, so should we be doing DNS redirecting.

Redirect "hulu.com" to  "allowvideo.com" for $9.95 Shopping Cart item.

Alacart content?

Its no different than Microsoft Windows XP, being allowed to bundle 
Iexplorer and MSN with WindowsOS, as long as they included signup links for 
downloading and subscribing to NetScape and one ro two other Big Internet 
Providers.

As long as its not discriminatory Make sure to include an Allow Item for 
EVERY Video Provider you can think of Example

Welcome to Allow Video.com Shopping Cart.
1. Enable Hulu $9.95
2. Enable NetFlix $9.95
3. Enable GoogleTV $9.95
4. Enable ESPN360 $9.95  (Note... would redirect to third party ISP 
partnering with your ISP able to deliver an ESPN360 compatible IP or cached 
data :-)
5. Enable MYISP TV  (Note: charge for access to your own Video services that 
you self host/offer, so its availble accross other ISPs also from this site, 
and so non-discriminary)

Disclaimer: This site/fee allows access to reach the above video provider 
sites. Access to enter and obtain the site's offered services and content is 
not covered by this fee. Additional subscription fees may be required 
directly by the Video content provider. View their sites for their fees, 
terms and conditions..

So.
Comcast my video access provider charges consumers $9.95 for HBO and $9.95 
more for Showtime alacart, why cant I as the Internet Access provider charge 
my subs the same?

The problem is NOT charging for content. The problem is not allowing some to 
buy access to content. The problem is not allowing all to carry or resell 
the content.

The facts are...Verizon and Comcasts wont charge for content, if we are 
allowed to carry content and we choose to not charge for it. If we charge 
more than the market will bear, consumers will leave us, and that keeps us 
honeset and fair. Its already established that Consumers have been willing 
to pay for content.

 If the video content providers complain, tell them you'll give them a 
revenue share if they send you a caching server for you to host::-)


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???

I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
policy for those that pay.

>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???

Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
 wrote:
> WAIT...
>
> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  
> wrote:
>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are 
>> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, 
>> but the wireless network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in 
>> places, hard to educate people that their using netflix ruins the 
>> internet for X number of other customers on that AP... when many other 
>> customers on the network can use netfix with no problems.
>>
>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased 
>> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. 
>> I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  
>>> wrote:
>>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers 
>>> that are abusing the service.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify 
>>> what that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
>>> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. 
>>> If you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the 
>>> overages they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent 
>>> all by itself. :)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Paul Gerstenberger]

When I googled the issue some months back, I saw a post about blocking the IP 
for the netflix DRM server. That would resolve most the issues by preventing 
the DRM authentication, and as a result, the movie from streaming. But I 
couldn't get it didn't work reliably. Maybe time to revisit that approach.

I don't want to block the netflix website of course, I just want people to get 
their movies via DVD the way they used to! And I only really want to block 
streaming on the segments of the network that simply can't support it.

-Paul

On Aug 31, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

> Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real 
> nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo 
> WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop 
> it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate 
> limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly.
>  
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
>  
>  
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>  
> On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu.
> 
> So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a 
> Hotmail and CNN.com provider?
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Emailed 2 of the customers that were doing this. The one called back real
nice and apologized. Said their kid was letting the Netflix on the Nintendo
WII run while they were outside riding their bike! They said they will stop
it. 2nd customer never got back with me, their service has now been rate
limited to 256k. I anticipate a phone call shortly.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:46 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 

On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.


So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a
Hotmail and CNN.com provider? 




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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/31/2010 01:51 PM, Robert Kim wrote:
>WAIT...
>
>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???

Thankfully, there is no "net neutrality" rule preventing this.

ISPs always block IP addresses.  Spammers' address blocks, and ISPs 
who tolerate spammers, and ISPs who tolerate ISPs who tolerate 
spammers, are routinely blocked.  As others might be.  Shoot first, 
ask questions later -- this is the Mutually Assured Destruction rule 
that keeps the Internet from collapsing.  And which the neuts have no 
klew about.

This is one reason why ISPs are not common carriers.  Providing 
"information service" (legal term in the US) means that you are not 
carrying stuff blindly, though you don't have full editorial control.

So yes, a web-browsing and email only service is perfectly 
legal.  Verizon Wireless sells just such a plan, in fact; it's 
basically mandatory with Blackberries.  "Full" (but not quite 
neutral) Internet access, as used with Droids, costs more.


>On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> > Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are 
> interfering with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream 
> bandwidth, but the wireless network (in places). We need to use 
> Trango 900s in places, hard to educate people that their using 
> netflix ruins the internet for X number of other customers on that 
> AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix with no 
> problems.
> >
> > We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased 
> accounting with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce 
> soon. I'm not looking forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
> >
> > -Paul
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> >> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the 
> customers that are abusing the service.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to 
> clarify what that means - the customer pays for bits to be 
> delivered, and you're delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" 
> service, them's the breaks. If you bill by usage, just send them 
> their next bill showing all the overages they incurred, and that 
> probably will be an effective deterrent all by itself. :)
> >>
> >> David Smith
> >> MVN.net
> >>

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[David E. Smith]

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:51, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor <
evdo.hs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> WAIT...
>
> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
>

Your network, your rules. Legally, you can probably block whatever you want.
Doing so without informing your users (customers, for ISPs) is ethically
very iffy, but legally it's probably just fine. (Not a lawyer, et cetera)

It's probably a very bad idea, but that's another discussion. :)

David Smith
MVN.net



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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Josh Luthman]

>Is it even legal to block IP addresses???

I don't think there are any laws on it at this point.  It's like
ESPN's service - the default policy is to block but there is an accept
policy for those that pay.

>If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???

Lots of overhead, lots of DNS queries.

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor
 wrote:
> WAIT...
>
> Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
> If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
>> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering 
>> with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless 
>> network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate 
>> people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other 
>> customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use 
>> netfix with no problems.
>>
>> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting 
>> with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking 
>> forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>>
>> -Paul
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
>>> are abusing the service.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what 
>>> that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
>>> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. If 
>>> you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages 
>>> they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by 
>>> itself. :)
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor]

WAIT...

Is it even legal to block IP addresses???
If it is.. why dont you just block the whole domain alias???


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:
> Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering 
> with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless 
> network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate 
> people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other 
> customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use 
> netfix with no problems.
>
> We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting 
> with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking 
> forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...
>
> -Paul
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
>> are abusing the service.
>>
>>
>> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what 
>> that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
>> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. If 
>> you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages 
>> they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by 
>> itself. :)
>>
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Paul Gerstenberger]

Our TOS is written in such that we can regulate them if they are interfering 
with other customers. Our problem isn't upstream bandwidth, but the wireless 
network (in places). We need to use Trango 900s in places, hard to educate 
people that their using netflix ruins the internet for X number of other 
customers on that AP... when many other customers on the network can use netfix 
with no problems.

We do not have an enforced overage policy, but with the increased accounting 
with our PPPoE changeover, we will be able to enforce soon. I'm not looking 
forward to those phone calls, but it must be done...

-Paul

On Aug 30, 2010, at 9:51 AM, David E. Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
> are abusing the service.
> 
> 
> If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what 
> that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're 
> delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. If 
> you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages 
> they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by 
> itself. :) 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Tom DeReggi]

Its also relevent to mention that there are multiple Akamai Server configs. 
A basic server config only stores some of the Internet content in its cache. 
Much larger cache servers are needed, for more effective caching.
What volume is needed to get equivlent cache performance as Comcast Verizon?

Also, hosting their servers is not necessarilyl free. For example, the most 
logicial place to put it might be at one's NOC. That NOC might reside at a 
Colo. At $50 per U of space, that is a residual cost that you will pay.
And how many Us are each of Akamai's 3 servers in the base configuration? 
Note with 100mb for $150/month in a colo, paying teh reoccuring rack fees 
would be more expensive than buying an extra 100mb of bandwidth, thus I'd 
argue even for the ISP there is a minimum usage capacity before it would be 
cost beneficial the the ISP as well, not just Akamai.

What some ISPs are doing is working in cooperation to put in a single Akamai 
server, and then havingthe partner ISPs peer with the ISP that homes the 
Akamai server, and use their aggregate bandwidth to qualify.

Where the caching is most beneficial would be caching data for server s 
located on the opposite coast. For example, bypassing 70ms latency required 
to get from East to West Coast.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


>  Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with
> them?
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling 
>> an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement 
>> of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner 
>> program.
>>
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>>> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>   How much are you passing to them?
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>> We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
>>>> from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
>>>>> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 
>>>>> 50mbps
>>>>> So - just ask
>>>>> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like 
>>>>> you
>>>>> would not believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 
>>>>> 1500+.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>> _
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Blake Covarrubias]

To place their caching servers on our network.

http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 31, 2010, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with 
> them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an 
>> average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
>> 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.
>> 
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> 
>>> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
>>>  How much are you passing to them?
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
 from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
 
 Regards,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley   wrote:
> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> So - just ask
> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> would not believe.
> 
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> 
> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
> _
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

  Is this just to have their servers on your network or to BGP peer with 
them?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/31/2010 9:56 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an 
> average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
> 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.
>
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
>> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>   How much are you passing to them?
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>> We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
>>> from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley   wrote:
 I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
 I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
 So - just ask
 Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
 would not believe.

 On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
 Regards,
 Chuck

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

Emailed them this morning, I figure we will get a similar response.

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From: "Blake Covarrubias" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling 
an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 
75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
wrote:
>  How much are you passing to them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  
wrote:
> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 
50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like 
you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 
1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> 

_
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Blake Covarrubias]

Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an 
average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps 
required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program.

--
Blake Covarrubias

On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>  How much are you passing to them?
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >> _
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Chuck Hogg]

I really don't know...we haven't tracked it.

Regards,

Chuck


On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>  How much are you passing to them?
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> > We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> > from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley
>  wrote:
> >> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> >> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> >> So - just ask
> >> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> >> would not believe.
> >>
> >> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>
> >> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have
> 1500+.
> >> Regards,
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> _
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Jeremy Parr]

On 30 August 2010 12:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

>  Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu.
>

So you are no longer going to be an Internet provider, and instead just be a
Hotmail and CNN.com provider?



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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

  How much are you passing to them?

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On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
> from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
>> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
>> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
>> So - just ask
>> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
>> would not believe.
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Chuck Hogg]

We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming
from our ASN.  Is there someone else we can contact?

Regards,

Chuck



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps
> I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps
> So - just ask
> Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you
> would not believe.
>
> On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.
> Regards,
> Chuck
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Chuck Hogg]

I've got 300+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do
have 1500+.

Regards,

Chuck


On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias"  wrote:
>
> I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they
> also told me 75mbps was the magic number.
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Michael Baird]

 Well, more like 10. The inquiry cost nothing, they will look it up and 
tell you if they see enough traffic from your AS to justify it or not.


Regards
Michael Baird
On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias" > wrote:


I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe 
they also told me 75mbps was the magic number.


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On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, "Nick Olsen" > wrote:


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Glenn Kelley]

I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps

I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps

So - just ask 

Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would 
not believe. 


On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

> 00+Mbps and we don't have "thousands" of customers...but we do have 1500+.  
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Glenn Kelley]

they will give it to you with much less than 75mbps 

best just to ask them :-)


On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jon Auer wrote:

> 
>> On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias"  wrote:
>> 
>> I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they 
>> also told me 75mbps was the magic number.
>> 
>> --
>> Blake Covarrubias
>> 
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>> On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:
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>> > No clue, Just going f...
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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

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On Aug 30, 2010 2:53 PM, "Blake Covarrubias"  wrote:

I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they
also told me 75mbps was the magic number.

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On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:

> No clue, Just going f...




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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Blake Covarrubias]

I contacted Akamai a while back about this program, and yes I believe they also 
told me 75mbps was the magic number.

--
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On Aug 30, 2010, at 12:43, "Nick Olsen"  wrote:

> No clue, Just going from what I vaguely recall someone saying...
> Like I said, I think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG.
> 
> Nick Olsen
> Network Operations
> (321) 205-1100 x106
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
> 
> Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a public 
> peering point?  Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those requirements 
> if you connect via a public exchange.
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something 
>> like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your 
>> most likely quite below that level.
>> Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds 
>> content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, 
>> Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you 
>> can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit 
>> them.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making 
>> the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. 
>> However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me 
>> stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit 
>> better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% 
>> happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around
>> 
>> Nick Olsen
>> Network Operations
>> (321) 205-1100 x106
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Justin Wilson" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>>AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a 
>> good deal of bandwidth to their network. 
>> http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html
>> 
>> Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they 
>> see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s) 
>> might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.
>> 
>> Justin
>> -- 
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>> http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News
>> http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Kurt Fankhauser 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
>> To: 'WISPA General List' 
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> Interesting, whats an AS# ?
>>  
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Michael Baird
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>> Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of 
>> bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve 
>> much of the Akamai content locally.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Michael Baird
>> 
>> 
>> Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers that 
>> are abusing the service.
>>  
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> 
>> Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses 
>> a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for &quo

Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

No clue, Just going from what I vaguely recall someone saying...
Like I said, I think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG.

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Mike Hammett" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via
a public peering point?  Some CDN type networks waive or minimize
those requirements if you connect via a public exchange.
- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic
number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a
few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level.
Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much
of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking
any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser
extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If
someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them.

To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is
prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer
the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost
level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN
I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though
20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to
include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



  From:
"Justin Wilson" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List"

Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

AS # is for BGP advertisements.
Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of
bandwidth to their network.
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi
homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to
their network.  Your upstream(s) might already be
accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

Justin
--
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- Follow me on Twitter
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From: Kurt
Fankhauser 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an
AS# ?


Kurt
Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405






  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are
using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your
facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai
content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight
IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service.


Kurt
Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405






  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

Whats
the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and
Hulu.


It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses
Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for
"content delivery" services. These are the same
content-delivery services used by just about everyone that
has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm
pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20
percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking
Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

David Smith

MVN.net





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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

 Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a 
public peering point?  Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those 
requirements if you connect via a public exchange.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote:
Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is 
something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand 
customers, Your most likely quite below that level.
Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the 
worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big 
ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break 
more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your 
service, I would rate limit them.




To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, 
making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended 
transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, 
This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the 
prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked 
that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth 
intensive things around


Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106




*From*: "Justin Wilson" 
*Sent*: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
*To*: "WISPA General List" 
*Subject*: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

   AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who 
use a good deal of bandwidth to their network.

http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and 
they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your 
upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some 
inquiries.


Justin
--
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http://www.mtin.net/blog -- xISP News
http://www.twitter.com/j2sw -- Follow me on Twitter
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*From: *Kurt Fankhauser 
*Reply-To: *WISPA General List 
*Date: *Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
*To: *'WISPA General List' 
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?


Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405




*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Michael Baird

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any 
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), 
so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.


Regards
Michael Baird


Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers 
that are abusing the service.



Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405




*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.




It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu 
uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" 
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just 
about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of 
people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for 
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of 
all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would 
probably be the worst idea.




David Smith

MVN.net







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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Nick Olsen]

Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something 
like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most 
likely quite below that level.
Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds 
content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, 
Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you 
can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them.

To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the 
something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, 
the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out 
every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% 
of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the 
most bandwidth intensive things around

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106



From: "Justin Wilson" 
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a 
good deal of bandwidth to their network.
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see 
if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s) might 
already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

Justin
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From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?


Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of 
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve 
much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are 
abusing the service.


Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's



On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.


It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a 
mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are the 
same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of 
content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai 
for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 
20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale 
would probably be the worst idea.

David Smith

MVN.net





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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

 Not necessarily.  You can do BGP with provider assigned space as 
opposed to provider independent space.  You need BGP to properly utilize 
multiple providers.


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On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Mark Nash - Lists wrote:
You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP.  If you don't 
"own" your OWN public IPs, then you don't have one.


- Original Message -
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:k...@wavelinc.com>
*To:* 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Baird
*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
    *To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for
free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the
customers that are abusing the service.

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith
*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:k...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and
Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery"
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by
just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots
of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows
Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15
to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking
Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

David Smith

MVN.net

  

  

  

  





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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#five


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On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Interesting, whats an AS# ?

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Michael Baird

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any 
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), 
so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.


Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers 
that are abusing the service.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:k...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:


Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu 
uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" 
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just 
about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of 
people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for 
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of 
all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would 
probably be the worst idea.


David Smith

MVN.net

  

  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mike Hammett]

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_system_(Internet) 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_system_%28Internet%29>



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On 8/30/2010 12:15 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:


Interesting, whats an AS# ?

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Michael Baird

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any 
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), 
so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.


Regards
Michael Baird

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers 
that are abusing the service.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:k...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:


Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu 
uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" 
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just 
about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of 
people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for 
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of 
all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would 
probably be the worst idea.


David Smith

MVN.net

  

  
  
  


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Justin Wilson]

AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a
good deal of bandwidth to their network.
http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html

Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they
see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network.  Your upstream(s)
might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries.

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From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

Interesting, whats an AS# ?
 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
 
Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve
much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird


Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP¹s just for the customers that
are abusing the service.
 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
 
 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP¹s to block so my customers can¹t use Netflix and Hulu.
 

 

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses
a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are
the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots
of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses
Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible
for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai
wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Mark Nash - Lists]

You need it if you have your own IP space, for BGP.  If you don't "own" your 
OWN public IPs, then you don't have one.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  To: 'WISPA General List' 
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 10:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's


  Interesting, whats an AS# ?

   

  Kurt Fankhauser

  WAVELINC

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  419-562-6405

   

   


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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Michael Baird
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

   

  Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of 
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve 
much of the Akamai content locally.

  Regards
  Michael Baird



  Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that 
are abusing the service.

   

  Kurt Fankhauser

  WAVELINC

  P.O. Box 126

  Bucyrus, OH 44820

  419-562-6405

   

   


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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of David E. Smith
  Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

   

   

  On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

   

   

  It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a 
mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are the 
same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of 
content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai 
for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 
20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale 
would probably be the worst idea.

   

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  MVN.net

   


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Interesting, whats an AS# ?

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Baird
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of
bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve
much of the Akamai content locally.

Regards
Michael Baird



Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that
are abusing the service.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 

 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

 

 

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses
a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are
the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots
of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses
Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible
for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai
wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 

 
 
 
 


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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Michael Baird]

Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any 
amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so 
you can serve much of the Akamai content locally.


Regards
Michael Baird


Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers 
that are abusing the service.


Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405



*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *David E. Smith

*Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:k...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:


Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu 
uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" 
services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just 
about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of 
people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for 
instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of 
all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would 
probably be the worst idea.


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MVN.net





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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[David E. Smith]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:47, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

>  Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP’s just for the customers
> that are abusing the service.
>

If you mean that they're abusing your service, you'll have to clarify what
that means - the customer pays for bits to be delivered, and you're
delivering them. If you sell an "unlimited" service, them's the breaks. If
you bill by usage, just send them their next bill showing all the overages
they incurred, and that probably will be an effective deterrent all by
itself. :)

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that
are abusing the service.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

 

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

 

 

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu.

 

 

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses
a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are
the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots
of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses
Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible
for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai
wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

 

David Smith

MVN.net

 




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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[Butch Evans]

On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 12:07 -0400, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: 
> Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix 
> and Hulu.

Blocking netflix by IP will block a LOT more than just netflix because
their content is not coming from just their servers.  Hulu uses a
Macromedia Flash port (TCP port 1935) for content delivery.  

These things can be easily determined with a very quick packet capture.
FWIW, I posted a response to Tom DeReggi the other day with a few rules
that would "identify" Netflix (sort of).  Be careful with those rules,
as they will match much more than just Netflix streams. 

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Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's

[David E. Smith]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

>  Whats the IP’s to block so my customers can’t use Netflix and Hulu.
>
>
>

It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses
a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for "content delivery" services. These are
the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots
of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses
Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible
for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai
wholesale would probably be the worst idea.

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Butch Evans]

On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 18:15 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: 
> You think that it could run on a PC with 2 NICS without 
> an issue? That way the CPU usage can be a lot lower.

Yes.  My development platform is an x86 box at 1GHz with 1G RAM.  My
opinion is that your suggested platform is the ideal scenario.  One
thing, though, because of a few realities that are too complex to go
into here, it would be best if the box were NOT the one that handles the
NAT on your network (if you NAT, that is).

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Butch,

You think that it could run on a PC with 2 NICS without an issue? That way the 
CPU usage can be a lot lower.



- Original Message 
From: Butch Evans 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 8:01:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:52 -0800, Gary Garrett wrote: 
> Yes, this is the answer I am looking for.
> Let me know when this is available / stable, 

It looks (so far) as though the system is performing VERY WELL.  Of the
ones that I have tested with, I have had very positive results.  One
thing to beware of is that this is not something that will run well on a
low end routerboard.  I have run it on RB600 with about 600 users behind
it, moving about 4k pps (aggregate) and it puts the cpu at 80-100%,
although it is still processing packets well, that is a pretty hard
limit for that platform.  I just installed one today on an RB1000 with
over 1500 users moving about 8k pps and it seems to run pretty well (cpu
hits as much as about 80%).  The 1500 user system is VERY congested, but
the initial impression of the system looks good. I need to evaluate more
data on these 2, which are the most critical tests so far, but both look
good in my initial evaluation and those of the network administrators.

> and you will soon become a rich man.

I'd like that VERY MUCH, but won't be holding my breath.  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:40 -0800, Joe Miller wrote: 
> Make it a plug-n-play for us non Mikrotik people and I would say "sold".

DONE!  LOL.  I don't sell a "script".  I sell the installation of a
system, which will include installation, configuration, customization
(to an extent) and basic instruction and troubleshooting "guide".  This
system is very complex and not a simple "plug and play" type approach.
I promise to make it easy on you, as a customer, though.  :-)

> - Original Message 
> From: Butch Evans 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 11:39:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
> 
> On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:54 -0500, sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: 
> > I looked at http://www.mikrotik.com/download/l7-protos.rsc but didnt find 
> > anything existing for L7 and netflix. Does anyone have one they are using?
> 
> I don't think one exists.  It's one reason I'm working on the "smart
> QOS" system.  It will react even when we encounter an "unknown"
> protocol/service.  I've been "packet sniffing" all morning looking for
> various streaming services.  Currently, I can accurately detect youtube
> (and all other similar services), Hulu (a very easy one) and a few
> others.  I did a test just a few minutes ago with my current
> implementation.  Here's how it worked:
> 
> 1. Set my bandwidth to 1M download speed ("total_down_speed")
> 2. Guarantee speed of 768k for "primary" or "normal" traffic queues
> 3. Guarantee speed of 256k for "secondary" or "bad" traffic queues
> 4. Priority queues within each of those (priority1-priority8)
> 5. mangle rules do the following:
> a. Set http to prio1_normal
> b. watch http traffic for "large downloads" or streams
> c. Set downloads >10M<20M to prio4_normal after the first 10M has
> downloaded (streams at the same point)
> d. Set downloads >20M to prio1_bad 
> 
> In my test, I started 2 downloads and one stream (netflix, actually).
> These 3 shared about equally 1M of bandwidth, with each getting around
> 300k (give or take a little).  After they reached the 10M download, they
> were moved to pro4_normal.  When that happened, I started another
> download, which took nearly all of the 1M available bandwidth (because
> it was priority1).  The video stream was choking a little, but was
> mostly working, the other downloads were the same (stop/go).  Once the
> "new" download reached it's 10M plateau, it was sharing the 1M pipe with
> the other 3 downloads and all got about 256k (the video was better).
> When the video and other 2 downloads reached the 20M plateau, they were
> moved (automatically) to the "bad" queues at priority1.  What that did
> to my downloads was this:
> 
> 1. The Prio1 queues in "normal" would allow me to surf like there was
> nothing else going on.
> 
> 2. My last download was getting 768k (the guarantee for "normal" queues)
> 
> 3. My "bad" queues (the stream and the first 2 downloads) were sharing
> the remaining 256k (guarantee for "bad" queues).
> 
> I was not specifically identifying netflix in my application, but it was
> being "caught" by the large download queues.  I am still working out a
> "best practices" approach to managing this traffic, but thought I would
> share what I have so far.  What do you think of my results so far? 
> 
> -- 

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 13:52 -0800, Gary Garrett wrote: 
> Yes, this is the answer I am looking for.
> Let me know when this is available / stable, 

It looks (so far) as though the system is performing VERY WELL.  Of the
ones that I have tested with, I have had very positive results.  One
thing to beware of is that this is not something that will run well on a
low end routerboard.  I have run it on RB600 with about 600 users behind
it, moving about 4k pps (aggregate) and it puts the cpu at 80-100%,
although it is still processing packets well, that is a pretty hard
limit for that platform.  I just installed one today on an RB1000 with
over 1500 users moving about 8k pps and it seems to run pretty well (cpu
hits as much as about 80%).  The 1500 user system is VERY congested, but
the initial impression of the system looks good. I need to evaluate more
data on these 2, which are the most critical tests so far, but both look
good in my initial evaluation and those of the network administrators.

> and you will soon become a rich man.

I'd like that VERY MUCH, but won't be holding my breath.  :-)

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Mike Hammett]

Faster system if you're on B.  Polling type system would help as well 
(N-Streme, AirMax, Alvarion, Motorola, etc.).


-
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--
From: "Joe Miller" 
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:16 AM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

> Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even 
> Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some 
> calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've 
> researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what 
> ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close 
> to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.
>
> How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit 
> in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, 
> then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the 
> slow Internet speeds.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Joe Miller]

Make it a plug-n-play for us non Mikrotik people and I would say "sold".



- Original Message 
From: Butch Evans 
To: WISPA General List 
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 11:39:20 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:54 -0500, sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: 
> I looked at http://www.mikrotik.com/download/l7-protos.rsc but didnt find 
> anything existing for L7 and netflix. Does anyone have one they are using?

I don't think one exists.  It's one reason I'm working on the "smart
QOS" system.  It will react even when we encounter an "unknown"
protocol/service.  I've been "packet sniffing" all morning looking for
various streaming services.  Currently, I can accurately detect youtube
(and all other similar services), Hulu (a very easy one) and a few
others.  I did a test just a few minutes ago with my current
implementation.  Here's how it worked:

1. Set my bandwidth to 1M download speed ("total_down_speed")
2. Guarantee speed of 768k for "primary" or "normal" traffic queues
3. Guarantee speed of 256k for "secondary" or "bad" traffic queues
4. Priority queues within each of those (priority1-priority8)
5. mangle rules do the following:
a. Set http to prio1_normal
b. watch http traffic for "large downloads" or streams
c. Set downloads >10M<20M to prio4_normal after the first 10M has
downloaded (streams at the same point)
d. Set downloads >20M to prio1_bad 

In my test, I started 2 downloads and one stream (netflix, actually).
These 3 shared about equally 1M of bandwidth, with each getting around
300k (give or take a little).  After they reached the 10M download, they
were moved to pro4_normal.  When that happened, I started another
download, which took nearly all of the 1M available bandwidth (because
it was priority1).  The video stream was choking a little, but was
mostly working, the other downloads were the same (stop/go).  Once the
"new" download reached it's 10M plateau, it was sharing the 1M pipe with
the other 3 downloads and all got about 256k (the video was better).
When the video and other 2 downloads reached the 20M plateau, they were
moved (automatically) to the "bad" queues at priority1.  What that did
to my downloads was this:

1. The Prio1 queues in "normal" would allow me to surf like there was
nothing else going on.

2. My last download was getting 768k (the guarantee for "normal" queues)

3. My "bad" queues (the stream and the first 2 downloads) were sharing
the remaining 256k (guarantee for "bad" queues).

I was not specifically identifying netflix in my application, but it was
being "caught" by the large download queues.  I am still working out a
"best practices" approach to managing this traffic, but thought I would
share what I have so far.  What do you think of my results so far? 

-- 

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[Butch Evans]

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:54 -0500, sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: 
> I looked at http://www.mikrotik.com/download/l7-protos.rsc but didnt find 
> anything existing for L7 and netflix. Does anyone have one they are using?

I don't think one exists.  It's one reason I'm working on the "smart
QOS" system.  It will react even when we encounter an "unknown"
protocol/service.  I've been "packet sniffing" all morning looking for
various streaming services.  Currently, I can accurately detect youtube
(and all other similar services), Hulu (a very easy one) and a few
others.  I did a test just a few minutes ago with my current
implementation.  Here's how it worked:

1. Set my bandwidth to 1M download speed ("total_down_speed")
2. Guarantee speed of 768k for "primary" or "normal" traffic queues
3. Guarantee speed of 256k for "secondary" or "bad" traffic queues
4. Priority queues within each of those (priority1-priority8)
5. mangle rules do the following:
a. Set http to prio1_normal
b. watch http traffic for "large downloads" or streams
c. Set downloads >10M<20M to prio4_normal after the first 10M has
downloaded (streams at the same point)
d. Set downloads >20M to prio1_bad 

In my test, I started 2 downloads and one stream (netflix, actually).
These 3 shared about equally 1M of bandwidth, with each getting around
300k (give or take a little).  After they reached the 10M download, they
were moved to pro4_normal.  When that happened, I started another
download, which took nearly all of the 1M available bandwidth (because
it was priority1).  The video stream was choking a little, but was
mostly working, the other downloads were the same (stop/go).  Once the
"new" download reached it's 10M plateau, it was sharing the 1M pipe with
the other 3 downloads and all got about 256k (the video was better).
When the video and other 2 downloads reached the 20M plateau, they were
moved (automatically) to the "bad" queues at priority1.  What that did
to my downloads was this:

1. The Prio1 queues in "normal" would allow me to surf like there was
nothing else going on.

2. My last download was getting 768k (the guarantee for "normal" queues)

3. My "bad" queues (the stream and the first 2 downloads) were sharing
the remaining 256k (guarantee for "bad" queues).

I was not specifically identifying netflix in my application, but it was
being "caught" by the large download queues.  I am still working out a
"best practices" approach to managing this traffic, but thought I would
share what I have so far.  What do you think of my results so far? 

-- 

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Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

[sales]

I looked at http://www.mikrotik.com/download/l7-protos.rsc but didnt find 
anything existing for L7 and netflix. Does anyone have one they are using?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless
574-233-7170

- Original Message -
From: "Jayson Baker" 
To: "Joe Miller" , "WISPA General List" 

Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:35:17 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.

MikroTik Level 7 matching?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Joe Miller  wrote:

> I'm still having a hell of a time figuring out that one. Is there anything
> on the market that will block certain traffic by looking at the Headers of
> the data on Netflix? Or is this just wishful thinking on my part?
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Sales 
> To: WISPA General List 
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 1:28:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
>
> So how are you to distinguish regular port 80 traffic from netflix ?
>
> John Buwa
> Michiana Wireless,Inc
> 574-233-7170
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> > Just confirmed with torch.
> >
> > Hulu on PC is 1935/tcp
> > Netflix on PC is 80/tcp (remember it uses Silverlight - not flash)
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."
> > --- Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Butch Evans 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:16 -0800, Joe Miller wrote:
> >>> Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that
> >>> even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been
> >>> getting
> >>> some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the
> >>> day.
> >>> I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin
> >>> down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then
> >>> that
> >>> is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming.
> >>
> >> Not sure about NetFlix, but Hulu uses TCP and/or UDP 1935, which is
> >> Macromedia Flash port.  They use primarily TCP.
> >>
> >>> How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E
> >>> curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing
> >>> streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and
> >>> complaining
> >>> about the slow Internet speeds.
> >>
> >> Build a QOS imnplementation that allows Hulu to work, but lessor
> >> priority than other traffic.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering  *
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