Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!
Hi, On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 19:04:34 +0200, Maik Jablonski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zope2 isn't maintained very well anymore due to limited ressources(bug fixes, documentation, see mail from Andreas), but Zope3 isn'tproduction ready at all. So if you talk to people making the decisionsin the IT-business they say: Zope2 seems to be a dead horse, Zope3is just a child which learns to run... Agree. Here is my point of view, as 'site manager'. We are creating small sites for end-users, and we try to use Zope in many cases, recommending this platform to end users. Many customers refuse to use Zope because of one simple reason: they look at http://www.zope.org web site, and then get back to us asking us how we could recommend this product. In my opinion the most important fixes to web site are: - Web site (zope.org) is very slow, and contains outdated documentation, links. Not well organized. Does not look professional way.I have no idea why zope.org site is slow and dying, but if it is because hardware or any kind of misconfiguration problem it must be fixed a.s.a.p. Just tried to open home page of http://www.zope.org - my Opera shows 1 min 11 sec to load. (compare, www.php.org loads in 5 seconds). This makes our customers to make false decision that Zope is a way too slow. Most of customers refused to work with Zope because they tell: all sites we looked at seems to be really slow. - Look at Zope powered sites:http://www.zope.org/Resources/ZopePowered/. At first 4 sites are not enought to convience any commercial customer. Even total of 11 links found on the page is not enought. I suggest to have submit a site form on this page so end users will submit their sites URLs and the list will be growing. Inactive sites should be removed after some time. - I do not understand the link to Zope CMF which leads me to http://cmf.zope.org/ and where I read ATTENTION! ... Please don't add new content here What this site is about, if it should not be used. Is Zope CMF dead? I see it is not, but this link makes me confused. - Zope HowTos contain all documents made in 1999. Most of people (including me) will never read such old documents because most probably many things described there are outdated. - Zope Development Guide full of comments since 2002. This should be refactored once a month, at least once a 3 months (I've seen the effort to rewrite ZDG has been started). - Bug tracking system (issue tracker) is not very comfortable to use. Better to use bugzilla, foxbugs, even 'trac' project will be a way much better and easier to use. And intruducing a better bug tracking could lead to better and faster bug resolution. So, I think zope.org needs good refactoring, but it seems there are no single person working on the site constantly, only from time to time (like plone integration event). Does anyone have any suggestions how this could be fixed? I can try to help, but as you have probably noticed I am not native English speaker, so my help with editing texts will not be very useful. But we can try to find out the problem with hardware/software setup of zope.org to find out why its slow. Possible we can install bugzilla or some other thing. I just need to know if anybody else interested into better look of zope.org site? And how this could be done... -- Alex V. Koval ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!
--On Freitag, 7. Mai 2004 19:26 Uhr +0300 Alex V. Koval [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just need to know if anybody else interested into better look of zope.org site? And how this could be done... Basically by volunteering to help out with the one or the task. See http://www.zope.org/About/ how to participate. -aj ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Paul Winkler wrote at 2004-4-26 17:45 -0400: On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:47:39PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: Our minimal tool usage is probably: Actions, Membership, Skins, Types, Workflow. I'm curious... do you use these with sites that are not in any other way based on CMFCore/CMFDefault ? Yes. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope3-dev] Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
[Max M, tests a zip file of .pyd files in Zope3, on Windows] I finally got around to testing this, and it works *exactly* as I hoped. I downloaded Z3 from CVS, and Tim's zip file. I unpacked the zip file into the Z3 directory, and it started the first time. Yippee! That's what I expected, but it's always a pleasant surprise when software works 0.8 wink. I don't know about others, but I don't need anything more than this. If either Chris or Tim would put that structure up at a saner location, I will write a How-to about it. Basically I just need a web adress that stays current to use in the How-to, so that I could point to somewhere like: http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/z3builds Where they could get the latest zip file. http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope3-pyd.zip is in place now. I'll put up a similarly named one for Zope2 this afternoon (EDT). They'll be replaced from time to time (when Zope 2/3's C code changes), but will retain theses names. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Tres Seaver wrote at 2004-4-26 11:46 -0400: Martijn Faassen wrote: Dieter Maurer wrote: ... We use SkinsTool, ActionsTool and DCWorkflow a lot, MembershipTool sometimes and most other tools not at all. Okay, point taken. :) How much do the tools listed interdepend on each other? See the attached file. ... ... longer list than written above ... This happens when I write from memory, sorry! We also use portal_types regularly. When you do not use the full functionality from the MembershipTool, you may not need the MemberDataTool nor the RegistrationTool. Our minimal tool usage is probably: Actions, Membership, Skins, Types, Workflow. -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 07:47:39PM +0200, Dieter Maurer wrote: Our minimal tool usage is probably: Actions, Membership, Skins, Types, Workflow. I'm curious... do you use these with sites that are not in any other way based on CMFCore/CMFDefault ? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Look! Up in the sky! It's ! (random hero from isometric.spaceninja.com) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Stephan Richter wrote: Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad. Sorry, but I think you'll find several people stepped up, and ZC slapped them in the face with a big fat legal document. That's never a good way to encourage people to help... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
[Max M] Well, yeah. I installed cygwin and all the devolpment tools. About 800 Megs. I could have sorted it, but I wouldn't risk missing libraries, tools etc. and harddisk is cheap. Same here (although my old laptop doesn't have enough disk space remaining to download the whole thing). Python compiled fine, both with and without ./configure --with-threads Z3 also compiled without a hickup. Python 2.3.3 comes with current Cygwin, so there shouldn't be a need to build Python (or maybe there is? I don't know; the one that comes with Cygwin has threads enabled already: $ python Python 2.3.3 (#1, Dec 30 2003, 08:29:25) [GCC 3.3.1 (cygming special)] on cygwin Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import thread def f(): ...print 'hi!' ... thread.start_new_thread(f, ()) 10852896 hi! ). I didn't have any problems compiling anything, I hit instant disasters whenever code tried to spawn a new process (mystery errors under WinXP Pro, segfault and system freeze under Win98SE). But when I tried to go to http://localhost:8080; or http://localhost:8080/manage; I just got a A system error occurred. message, and a the following log entry: 2004-04-22T08:47:13 ERROR root PageTemplateFile: Error in template: Compilation failed exceptions.SyntaxError: invalid syntax (string, line 1) Which is sort of non-helpfull. Sorry, no clues here. Perhaps someone else knows how to get Cygwin to work. ... What exactly is needed? I routinely compile Zope2 and Zope3 HEAD on Windows, using MSVC 6. I can't make time to set up a fancy snapshot procedure, but if all people want is (e.g.) a zip file containing the .pyd files, uploading those once a week wouldn't be a significant time sink. AS far as I can see that should be enough. If the compiled files, in their directory structure, could just be dropped on top of the python structure from cvs/subversion I expect that would be enough? No way to tell without trying. I don't know whether you're building Zope2 or Zope3, but since this is the zope-dev list I assume the former. Try http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope2-20040422.zip/file_view and let us know what happens! As the comment there says, it's just .pyd files from Zope2 HEAD, compiled with MSVC 6. This is from an inplace (setup.py build_ext -i) build on Windows, from a current Zope HEAD checkout. As far as I can see from a quick manual scan of the directory structure that's how the code is structured now? The compiled files are not under version control, and so would not be overwritten by updating from cvs/subversion. That's correct. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
[Tim Peters] ... No way to tell without trying. I don't know whether you're building Zope2 or Zope3, but since this is the zope-dev list I assume the former. Try http://zope.org/Members/tim_one/Zope2-20040422.zip/file_view and let us know what happens! As the comment there says, it's just .pyd files from Zope2 HEAD, compiled with MSVC 6. This is from an inplace (setup.py build_ext -i) build on Windows, from a current Zope HEAD checkout. FYI, there's a similar zip file now containing the same kind of thing for a current Zope3 checkout (s/Zope2/Zope3/ in the URL). If this is good enough for people trying to work from CVS on Windows, let me know and I'll update them from time to time, and maybe move them to a saner location. If it's not good enough, sorry, but I don't anticipate having enough time to do more than this (which is just a trivial zip+upload step beyond the builds I have to do anyway). ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Jim Fulton wrote at 2004-4-21 11:39 -0400: Andreas Jung wrote: ... I am sure that more are willing to contribute more than at the moment. Great! Where are they? I, for example, would but I am scared away by the required promise to defend ZC against any potential patent claim related to my checkins. As in the US almost any triviality seems to be patentable, I consider this too big a risk... -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Martijn Faassen wrote at 2004-4-21 19:42 +0200: Stephan Richter wrote: Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad. I believe part of the blockage is because contributors have to sign far more than just a simple CVS contributor's agreement. This bureaucracy is not helpful. +1 -- Dieter ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Hi, the points I snipped I agree with and/or have no new input for. On Wednesday 21 April 2004 05:36, Andreas Jung wrote: The reasons for this situation from my prospective: - Lots of Z2 people are working now on Plone projects. Plone currently attracts more people because the important and interesting projects are done there. Paul Everits goal to grow Zope by 10 times might happen through Plone, not through Zope itself Yes. Note that there are plans emerging for Plone 3 for Zope 3. I hope that we will be able to redirect some of the development power of Plone towards Zope with Plone 3. And I think that will be possible. Zope 2 has too many abstraction layers: Zope -- CMF -- Plone, CPS, ... That means that if I develop a product for Zope, it cannot be automatically used in CMF/Plone optimally anymore. With Zope 3 we will get a fresh start on this. - The Z2 development is badly managed. The 2.7 release has been delayed for one year or so. Yes, I hope we will be able to manage releases in the community for Zope 3. Jim encouraged this by asking me to do the current Zope 3 releases (so I hope I will be able to give away this responsibility to someone else, when the Zope 3 community grows -- it will need someone who is constantly involved in the real world and sees the needs for releases clearer than I do). - ZC is currently the bottleneck for Z2. As stated before, I think that can be changed, if enough interest is shown in the community. But I think the Zope community lacks strong leaders; too many people are only interested in making money with it without realizing that their future depends on the general success and development of Zope. Maiks words: Z3 is attractive as an academic project to try out things and concepts but it does not attract people in the current stage...maybe in two years from now but currently most people are attracted by working and usable solutions like Plone. And that in itself is the problem. Making money is most important, securing the future is second. People don't care about the latter. :-( - The zope.org community site is a mess. Lots of outstanding problems are not fixed, the performance of the site is more than poor (it takes ages to login, it takes ages to load pages), usability (e.g. when you perform a software release) is bad. Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!
will not be able to participate easily on the academic Zope3 train. The technic freaks who modell Zope3 are usually not application developers, which have to build and run working applications for real human users. That's both insulting and incorrect. Many of the leaders of the Zope 2 community are involved in Zope 3 and using it. These people are application developers. Jim, we native german speakers tend to be much more direct and phrase dings more bluntly the you americans do. In german I read Maik's statement as a strong opinion but never as an insult. Since I am the one who asked Mike to speak up I would feel bad if it created any bad feelings. Robert ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 10:40, Max M wrote: I normally don't develop in c. So I don't have Visual Studion installed. You can also use cygwin. I have downloaded the milestones and tried them out. But then I read about this and that *geddon, and think well guess I should wait for another version before I try it again. right. I quickly feel out of sync in Z3. yes. If there was some way to have a Binary core that didn't change very often, and a Python only part that I could upload from cvs/subversion to be up to date, it would be much easier to use a few hours here and there to try out stuff in Z3. There is little change in the C files. It is very rare. Or perhaps an automated nightly Windows build. We have talked about it many times before, but simply lack the bandwidth. Maybe you could provide this for Cygwin? Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 09:40 am, Max M wrote: Stephan Richter wrote: However, we are getting the first alpha out by the end of the month. Hopefully, by end of May we will have finished the X3.0 to-do list and will release the beta. At this point the API will freeze and application developers are encouraged to have look at it. Well, I couldn't find the antecedent for that quote, but it's really good news! I'm deeply embroiled in organizing for an upcoming space conference on Memorial Day Weekend (May 27-31, http://www.isdc2004.org ), so I'm not able to do *any* programming for about a month, but I will definitely be checking X3.0 out in June. That's probably when I'll be available to look at the Schema package and see if I can contribute usefully to it, as well. Cheers, Terry -- Terry Hancock ( hancock at anansispaceworks.com ) Anansi Spaceworks http://www.anansispaceworks.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!
Jim Fulton wrote: I'm surprised to read this. Could you be more specific about your concerns? Did you read Andreas Jung's mail? He was pretty specific, but I had to hunt around as in my mailreader his reply had broken the thread. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!
Hello, Jim, we native german speakers tend to be much more direct and phrase dings more bluntly the you americans do. In german I read Maik's statement as a strong opinion but never as an insult. Since I am the one who asked Mike to speak up I would feel bad if it created any bad feelings. Robert Robert is 100% right! Mikes oppion contains no real insults at all, not even really bad phrases, at least not in the original german version. German insults look quite different, and we tend to recognize them when we read them. In this sense I was somewhat careless in my instant translation and I want to apologize for it. Martin ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?!
robert rottermann wrote: will not be able to participate easily on the academic Zope3 train. The technic freaks who modell Zope3 are usually not application developers, which have to build and run working applications for real human users. That's both insulting and incorrect. Many of the leaders of the Zope 2 community are involved in Zope 3 and using it. These people are application developers. Jim, we native german speakers tend to be much more direct and phrase dings more bluntly the you americans do. In german I read Maik's statement as a strong opinion but never as an insult. Since I am the one who asked Mike to speak up I would feel bad if it created any bad feelings. Bad feeling don't last long with me. I couldn't be an open-source developer if they did. :/ Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM -0400, Casey Duncan wrote: I agree that bugs deserve more attention. We need to have more bug days. I meant to suggest a date last week, but I got diverted. How would people feel about next Thursday, April 29? +1 -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Casey Duncan wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:36:31 +0200 Andreas Jung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - very few people are willing to contribute to documentation On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly* lowers the bar on contributing substantive docs for Zope. I would implore all of you (as in you, the reader of this message, yes you!) to go there and write something, now! You know something that has not been written down yet, so go write it down! You can even do so anonymously. That's a great points. Wikis *can* definitely really speed up the documentation process. Of course wikis can also die, but the low bar towards contribution is really really helpful. Just take a look at www.wikipedia.org for an extremely impressive example of what is possible. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Jim Fulton wrote: Oh, and about Maik's comment that ZC is the bottleneck in Z2 dev--Jim, I think it was Andreas Ah, you're right, oh well apart from who said it... you might not agree with Maik, but hidden security bugs over a year old aren't something the rest of the community can do anything about. Are you suggesting that we hid them? As soon as we found out about them, we mobilized the whole company to work on them. This was a big deal that we put a lot of effort into over a fairly short time. How is this evidence that we were a bottleneck? I think you're confusing the past with the present. There is at least 1 hidden security bug thats been sitting in the queue for a year *right now*. I'm not talking about the stuff that was fixed in the last audit. As for why they are hidden, well thats, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] collector that encourages it, and as ZC runs the collector that puts the ball squarely in ZC's court. -- Jamie Heilman http://audible.transient.net/~jamie/ You came all this way, without saying squat, and now you're trying to tell me a '56 Chevy can beat a '47 Buick in a dead quarter mile? I liked you better when you weren't saying squat kid. -Buddy ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
--On Mittwoch, 21. April 2004 10:41 Uhr -0400 Casey Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a bright note, I think zopewiki.org could change that. It *greatly* lowers the bar on contributing substantive docs for Zope. I would implore all of you (as in you, the reader of this message, yes you!) to go there and write something, now! You know something that has not been written down yet, so go write it down! You can even do so anonymously. Yeah...just had a look a zopewiki.org it seems to be a great place. I wonder why we were not able to built a such place there were it would belong to: zope.org? Andreas ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
From: Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Year checkins people 2002 7090 33 2003 5276 34 2004 1103 24 # First 3 1/2 months There is some decline, as one would expect in a mature product. Also, I expect most people is like me. I only fix bugs if they bite me, and I understand them OR if there is a bugday, and I understand them and I'm not too stressed out at the office. This means that we need more bugdays. A typical bugday squishes a whole bunch of bugs. They bugs will be harder to squish the more bugdays we have, since the easy one will be squished first, but no matter. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:41:27AM -0400, Casey Duncan wrote: I agree that bugs deserve more attention. We need to have more bug days. I meant to suggest a date last week, but I got diverted. How would people feel about next Thursday, April 29? Stop feeling and do it! No, I can't join, because I'll be on my way to Sweden that day. So, then have another bug day a couple of weeks later, maybe I can join then. And so on, and so on... Of course, my greatest contribution usually is closing bugs reports that are really support questions, but hey, it's still squishes! :-) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
[Max M] Or perhaps an automated nightly Windows build. [Stephan Richter] We have talked about it many times before, but simply lack the bandwidth. Maybe you could provide this for Cygwin? [Max M] Argh ... that wasn't fair. Ok I will try and find some time to look into it. A problem is that every platform has its own unique bag of miserable quirks. Case in point: before we released ZODB 3.3a3 last Friday (which is also the ZODB in the current Zope2 and Zope3 CVS HEADs), I tried to run the ZODB/ZEO test suite under Cygwin on WinXP Pro. Disaster is a fair assessment -- every time the test framework tried to spawn a ZEO process, it died instantly, with a Cygwin-specific message I didn't understand. So you need to be a real platform fan to get a minority platform to work; while I like Cygwin well enough, I rarely use it, and don't have time or interest to pursue it as a hobby. Maybe this is (still) relevant to building Zope under Cygwin, maybe not: http://www.zope.org/Members/dgeorgieff/howto_zope_cvs_on_cygwin/index_html What exactly is needed? I routinely compile Zope2 and Zope3 HEAD on Windows, using MSVC 6. I can't make time to set up a fancy snapshot procedure, but if all people want is (e.g.) a zip file containing the .pyd files, uploading those once a week wouldn't be a significant time sink. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
RE: [Zope-dev] Re: The bleak Future of Zope?
Maybe this is (still) relevant to building Zope under Cygwin, maybe not: http://www.zope.org/Members/dgeorgieff/howto_zope_cvs_on_cygwin/index_ht ml Python release23-maint and Zope 2.7 just builds fine on cygwin with the usual ./configure, make, make install sequence. Regards, Sandor ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
