My dorm room was 2 doors down from her supposed room when she went to UofM
freshman year.
On the topic of the last time she was in Detroit, it was 2 summers ago. I
remember it being the night of Lifefest and being mad because I had to work
the Madonna show at the Palace. HBO aired it live.
smartbar on thursdays has been bringing in people like matt dear and
magda. its not every thursday, but pretty regular.
there's occasioal shows at empty bottle. stewart walker and thomas
fehlmann were both this past month.
unfortunately, there's rarely more than 50 people at any of these shows.
Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a
non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily
chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order
for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it
as part of a wider music
for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need
Why must techno reach a wider audience?
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:29 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner
wrote:
Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post
about a
non-techno Detroit artist, and
Oh boy... I'm running for cover on this one, gonna have to inform my isp
that I might be receiving a hell of alot of email in the next few days...
Out,
Patrick.
-Original Message-
From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 1:23 PM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313)
For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo
iPod release. Rich Hawtin played.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t
my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31
mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back
ground. enjoy!
diana
=
my camera go
diana potts wrote:
For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo
iPod release. Rich Hawtin played.
Is that hair?
I never thought I'd see such a thing...
--
Dennis DeSantis
www.dennisdesantis.com
Speaking of iPods, wouldn't it be great if you could use that big data wheel
to pitch the audio file up or down?
Maybe some hacker could work that one out.
Dreamin' away...
Patrick.
-Original Message-
From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 1:59 PM
To:
hehe. there's more coming. sorry. the 20's didn't
upload.
yes. that's hair. it's real too.
--- Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
diana potts wrote:
For those interested...I took pictures at the
SoHo
iPod release. Rich Hawtin played.
Is that hair?
I never thought I'd
Cold winter in NYC maybe??
P.
-Original Message-
From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 2:08 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
hehe. there's more coming. sorry. the 20's didn't
upload.
yes. that's hair. it's real too.
---
Tom Churchill wrote on Sun, 4 May 2003 about following:
there's track called beam me up on b-side of pepper
And indeed on the 'Ginger' album on Warp.
just noticed that it's rene van der weyde's (known from atlantic ocean -
waterfall for example) remix on b-side of pepper.
sakke
--
I heard this record 2 days ago and it rocks! Just buy it on-sight. If
it is not somebody who is involved with Drexciya they did a hell of a
job copying it but i don't mind, get it!
[ Dynarec - R Cam EP ]
[ 38dsr/dnr1, coming May 19th ]
Delsin suprises with some deep slamming electro! After the
sorry i forgot the soundbites:
[ Sounds: http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a1.mp3 |
http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a2.mp3 |
http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-b1.mp3 |
http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-b2.mp3 ]
On maandag, mei 5, 2003, at 11:10 Europe/Amsterdam, Klaas Jan Jongsma
wrote:
The website (after a long judicial battle) is back up
and running with a few new streamable tracks for your
listening pleasure. Be sure to check out what the evil
ones have been trying to keep from you all!!!
http://www.acidsonicresearch.com
TJ
Well I think that was always a desire of at least some of the Detroit
producers. Also, with the way things are now, it's hard to make an income
out of music. People need to eat. Being in demand helps that.
--
From: a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313)
why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'???
how long is a piece of string?
ab
-Original Message-
From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:53 PM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
for techno to reach a wider audience in the US
hello all,
it's monday you're bored?... http://www.homepage.mac.com/reallynice/ - a
mini site where you can download some of my newer stuff. some spacey hip hop
vibes a couple of ethnic flavored (brazilian/dub) downtempo workouts. all
aces balance are from the forthcoming ep tell me more about
Heard a Richie Hawtin (live @ Mixmag) in Toronto - 96'?
Can't believe how much his mixing/music style has changed.
The set is composed of mostly acidhouse/tech stuff. The last
track that my friend has recorded is the track I'm seeking.
It's this melodic/acid track where the melody rolls in
Ramon IV - Altes Testament on the label Ladomat
Great track
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 13:20 Atlantic/Reykjavik, tuneintuition
wrote:
Heard a Richie Hawtin (live @ Mixmag) in Toronto - 96'?
Can't believe how much his mixing/music style has changed.
The set is composed of mostly
why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'???
Did I say that?
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 11:59 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Alex Bates wrote:
why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'???
how long is a piece of string?
ab
-Original Message-
From: a [mailto:[EMAIL
I stopped by the mac store in SOHO to take a look at
the 30 GB IPOD on sat. , it was all sold out !
-Pete
-Original Message-
From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:59 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
For those
no you didnt but a lot of people who like techno would like it to be like
that
ab
-Original Message-
From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:22 PM
To: Alex Bates
Cc: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
why does it need to stay 'reserved for the
LOL. Rich is trying to get apple to put a pitch control
in. We'll see if he can lobby up enough support to do this.
I agree though, adding it to the software and controlloing it
via the data wheel ( so smooth... ) would work perfectly well
and wouldn't be that hard.
-Pete
-Original
Heh. I don't know who those people are; I'd like Techno to be the next
hip hop. While there's nothing like the vibe of a party where everyone there
is well into the music, but economically the audience needs to expand or
it's just going to be a hobby for all but a few people lucky enough to make
a
How much are those things, like $400??
damn - that's a bit steep for an mp3 player
even a hard drive based one.
:-(
Jim J.
- Original Message -
From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'diana potts' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:59 AM
Subject:
apologies for the photo page not working. i dont know
what's up. pre-posting to 313 it worked fine when
tested on others.
If anyone knows how to get a hold of yahoo
support-send the 411 this way
--- JL Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How much are those things, like $400??
damn - that's a bit
On Mon, 5 May 2003, diana potts wrote:
apologies for the photo page not working. i dont know
what's up. pre-posting to 313 it worked fine when
tested on others.
If anyone knows how to get a hold of yahoo
support-send the 411 this way
Yahoo has support?
it's $450 for the 30GB, well worth it in my opinion. It's nice
having my entire collection of cd's with me + also the vinyl i've
encoded, with room to spare...
the new ones are super light + a bit sleeker too.
-Pete
-Original Message-
From: JL Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't
want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to
except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled
genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit.
Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads
will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a
POP-MTV-CEO controlled
Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about
a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily
chastised
I don't think you should feel chastised, Cyclone - this is the 313 list, not
a solely Detroit techno list. Eminem, MC5, White Stripes,
I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives
on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like.
I agree these could do wonders...but with the good, comes the bad, that's all.
Some recognition WOULD be nice. Minus the exploitation.
...but we obviously have WAY
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives
on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like.
I agree these could do wonders...but with the good, comes the bad,
that's all. Some recognition WOULD be
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among
the general populace that it's a) taken seriously as a musical form b) gains
a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities.
Not only has techno never really entered the pop music scene in the
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form
Why?
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 15:45 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Kent williams
wrote:
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
On Mon, 5 May 2003, a wrote:
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form
Why?
I dunno, maybe because I take it seriously as a musical form? Because
American Dance Music pretty much rules the
I think it's something that the creators of the music have consistently
expressed, they want recognition for their artform - when others (eg
Oakenfold) are getting credit for it.
But more than that it's a matter of being able to draw an income from it.
Unless you got a second job.
I have this
Happy Cinqo de Mayo, or bank holiday, depending where you are.
Since it was a beautiful day in London yesterday, I stayed inside and mixed
for three hours - because I'm stupid like that. I remembered to press record
for about the last two hours of it, so you'll be joining a mix in progress
should
You've just made my day!
I was just wondering what to put on next when all I had was techno or a
colleague's Breeders album, not being in the mood for either.
Cheers T
-Original Message-
From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:34 PM
To: 313
Subject: (313)
I dunno, maybe because I take it seriously as a musical form?
Isn't that enough?
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 16:18 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Kent williams
wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2003, a wrote:
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support
among the general populace that it's
did he play anything that was identified as new plastikman? how was it?
On Sun, 4 May 2003, diana potts wrote:
For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo
iPod release. Rich Hawtin played.
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t
my personal faves:
Kunuyuki - Precious Hall - Natural Resource
Oh my god.
This is the first time I hear this song. But this must be one of the best
recordings of the last 10 years!
i went and hung out with keith kemp who was playing at one of the chicago
stores. he said over a dozen people asked him the same thing.
i'm certain Apples on it. i'd bet they alreay have a prototype finished.
they'll probably release a special dj model in a year, once the current
buzz starts to
nothing was identified as such. ie. grabbing a mic and
saying 'hey this is my new plastikman track!!' What
woulda been even better is if he followed that by
saying 'yo what's the dealio!!';)
rich ran the gammit with his set. it was smooth
though. I didnt appreciate how smooth it was until the
Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep
some quality control on things.
By imposing quality control requirements on a nebulous and intangible
group like a whole community, you shift the responsibility away from the
Agreed! A great record!
Go on, Marsel! ;-)
Cheers, Arne
Klaas Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:
sorry i forgot the soundbites:
[ Sounds: http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a1.mp3 |
http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a2.mp3 |
http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-b1.mp3 |
I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my
order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing them
3x but no response..
Anyone else have experience with them?
---
Peter Grammenos
Goldman Sachs Co.
Tel : 212.902.2446
how does a small listener base translate into higher
quality? The two aren't logically connected.
It's not a thought based on #'s, but more so on survival of the fittest. But
I don't have time to explain... Ya know what I mean! ...but it's something
we could debate FOREVER, so
I hear you on this kent.
Lansing, mi. be it not the biggest techno scene in the state, but we used to
have competing parties on saturday nights here in '99. promoters started having
a hard time getting venues, the police started cracking down, and some kids
graduated. now the scene is pretty small
- Original Message -
From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: (313) New Mix from a Weird Date
Kunuyuki - Precious Hall - Natural Resource
Oh my god.
This is the first time I hear
I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my
order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing
them
3x but no response..
Anyone else have experience with them?
Yeah... never had any problems with them...
but last week they also asked me to mai
Yeh, they're consistently reliable. I've ordered plenty of times and never had
a problem. Maybe give them a call?
Sean.
From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/05/05 Mon PM 12:48:20 CDT
To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
I got an
sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is trying to
scam CC numbers?
I'd definately follow-up on that
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From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:14 PM
Subject: Re:
- Original Message -
From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:48 PM
Subject: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my
order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried
I agree. Marsel is sussed enough to know you shouldn't be e-mailing CC numbers.
They asked my to phone or fax mine a while back and have just kept it on file
since...
Sounds a bit dodgy.
From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/05/05 Mon PM 01:15:06 CDT
To: Sean Creen [EMAIL
- Original Message -
From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is
By divine decree, I hearby name all attendees of the upcoming Movement
electronic music festival in Detroit as Movementarians.
In recognition to the outstanding contributions of the Simpson's episode.
telepathic regards,
the kooky scientologist
--
Upcoming Live Electronic Demonstrations:
May
absolutely. give them the benefit of the doubt but protect yourself in the
process.
-Joe
- Original Message -
From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED];
313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May
- Original Message -
From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED];
313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
absolutely. give them the benefit of
sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is
trying
to
scam CC numbers?
I'd definately follow-up on that
Don´t worry too much..
It was Erik who really lost some CC numbers.
But when I called him, I told him some stuff about computer networks,
authentisation and
hey folks
All I can say Erik studied to become an English teacher
:-)
So, indeed no languages problems
- Original Message -
From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED];
313@hyperreal.org
Sent:
On 5/5/03 1:28 PM, diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
rich ran the gamut with his set. it was smooth
though. I didnt appreciate how smooth it was until the
guy after him went on and sounded incredibly chunky
and unfocused. The guy went from straight up house to
get yer freak on. BUT from
i realize this is way off topic, but i figured someone could help me out.
i am looking for a good hosting company that is not going to rip me off.
i have been using netfirms for free for the time being, they offer 50mb of space
w/ 2gb of bandwidth and some other stuff for $60 a year. this is the
Dance music is already mainstream in America, the problem with techno is it
had it's 15 minutes of fame in the early 90's.
This is how artist like Moby established a name for himself with major label
support.
Jaguar had a chance to blow up in the late 90's but DJ Rolando chose to stay
underground.
That is the general theory and it stands up - for now.
But I don't know. They said hip-hop would never catch on. Grandmaster Flash
was playing hip-hop style nine years before The Message. They used to fret
that no one got it. Nine years!
Hip-hop has changed the way people listen to music. It has
You hear the stories, Jay-Z goes to France and the kids know his
lyrics but often don't even speak English.
this is pretty common from what I've seen, anyone remember la bamba?
What ever gave people the impression that techno has even the slightest
chance
of becoming the next hip hop?
I must not be in an alternate dimension.
on 5/5/03 10:24 AM, Lester Kenyatta Spence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote:
odon't
I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same
way.
--
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 5:11 AM
What ever gave people the impression that techno has even the slightest
chance
of becoming the next
the leader is good, the leader is great. we surrender our will, as of
this date.
j
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:32 PM, FRED giannelli wrote:
By divine decree, I hearby name all attendees of the upcoming Movement
electronic music festival in Detroit as Movementarians.
In recognition to the
I'd like it to be just enough more popular that I can book people again
without losing money, but not so popular that the frat boys show up and
beat up the gay kids. Does that delimit how popular I'd like techno to
be for everyone?
Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what
Jaguar had a chance to blow up in the late 90's but DJ Rolando chose to stay
underground.
This simply isn't true. Jaguar was milked for all it was worth. It got a hell
of a lot of publicity out of the whole Sony thing, had a promo video made, and
Rolando got serious juice in terms of gigs
I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome the
lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;)
-
Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Rock and Hiphop
are. The best comparison, really, is Jazz. Largely instrumental music,
popular
with a
Has Traci Lords been successful? :)
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:17 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner
wrote:
I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome
the
lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;)
-
Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever
Does Derrick May still drop French Kiss in every set? :)
On 5/5/03 4:55 PM, a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Has Traci Lords been successful? :)
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:17 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner
wrote:
I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome
LOL, when i heard him last summer he might droppped it twice ;)!
-Original Message-
From: Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:01 PM
To: a; Cyclone Wehner
Cc: The Music Institute
Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Does Derrick May still drop French Kiss
- Original Message -
From: Jason Hogans [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:15 PM
Subject: (313) bubbles cookies
hello all,
it's monday you're bored?... http://www.homepage.mac.com/reallynice/ - a
mini site where you can download some of
That blows my mind, A Platinum Album? Which one?
And it had to be an old one,,like in 90's or so.
-Original Message-
From: logic7 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:29 PM
To: marsel; 313
Subject: RE: (313) Detroits Biggest
I now quote from
h... this is coming form someone who does not live in America and
probably has never been to America.
I hear house and trance being played on hispanic/ latino, pop, and
alternative
radio mix programs all the time and pretty much dominates the club scene
which attacks all types of people.
You
Well I have and, at any rate, it's not an original observation - I am
reiterating what many others say. Do you hear house on urban radio?
--
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 6:45 AM
h...
If memory serves me correctly a major label did offer to sign jaguar with
the
possibility of remixes but UR and DJ Rolando declined.
That track could have easily climbed the Billboard dance charts giving
Detroit techno more exposure in America but some people choose to stay
underground.
on
Dance music is already pop culture in America, look at Dirty Vegas for
example.
Detroit techno is not.
on 5/5/03 2:53 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same
way.
Sorry if this comes through twice. I posted it earlier and haven't received
it myself, and others have mentioned the same. Weird since I know at least
some people have received it. Sorry if this seems SPAMish. Just trying to
share some new music.
Happy Cinqo de Mayo, or bank holiday, depending
I was talking pure US house/garage, not trance or offshoots. A lot of people
lament the lack of a US audience for that. I even read it in a Frankie
Knuckles interview. It's very consistently stated. Of course I realise
trance/progressive has charted.
--
From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Well, there is an audience for it but in small pockets around the nation
(and it is a BIG nation). We had a _very_successful pirate radio station
here in Minneapolis that played house music 24-7 but it was shut down by
the FCC goons. Well, it wasn't interfering with anyone's signal but it was
No, it's not played on Urban/ Hip-Hop radio, that's dominated by the same 15
RnB/ Hip-Hop tracks played in rotation.
American radio is segregated into different genres, you have country, Top 40
which plays a combination of rap, dance, the popular rock tunes, alternative
rock, classic rock,
for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it
as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely.
i am sure that a lot of ppl on this list as well as a lot of producers and
DJs already do and are aware of many different kinds of music. the recent
FK set list
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