Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 5:45 PM, Krishan kumar Sharma < krishanwelc...@gmail.com> wrote: > I want to tell all of you that you are making a very beautiful discussion > but we also have to think about those people who could not continue their > education smoothly due to the failure of administration

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

I want to tell all of you that you are making a very beautiful discussion but we also have to think about those people who could not continue their education smoothly due to the failure of administration or those people who were doing their education through personal work. Not able to continue

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

dear list members ms Amena has put most of points which I was thinking to put forward now let me come back to my cases which I have sent few days back for 1st case what we can do * the center and exam taking organization should provide scribe from there side and for this that should contact

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

hi Vivek, being myself in the education sector, I think the first step for any improvement is to have a robust system of education. it is always better to have introduced to various matters like mathematics and computers in the school levels than getting introduced in the employment. infact, we

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Friends, I was silent on this topic till now, because in 2018 I had raised this issue in this group that many VI candidates are entering bankin sector without any knowledge of english & Computer through back door then many members of this group suggested me to keep quiet, here many of them are

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

What we can learn from the advance societies Is that no howsoever advance technological intervention can substitute the assistance which a human provides to a person with blindness. we have numerous examples in front of us like renowned author wed mehta Who has written many novels

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi all, I feel that it will take lots of effort to solve this problem. Some efforts are required from our side including VI students, special schools and institutions, and some efforts are required from examination conducting bodies. Don't know how many years it will take to solve this problem. I

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi All I was too keeping mum on the issue cause we have had lengthy discussion on AI many a times in the past. Anyway let me again put forward my views with regard to this news report. The news report in focus has many vague details. The media house should have revealed the name of the coaching

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

hi Harish, I clearly understood your point. On 8/23/22, Harshit Lohia wrote: > Hi Access Indians, > I also want to put forward my views. Although the solution which I am > suggesting is a stop-gap arrangement and curtails malpractices only > partially, it can be a good beginning in this

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi Access Indians, I also want to put forward my views. Although the solution which I am suggesting is a stop-gap arrangement and curtails malpractices only partially, it can be a good beginning in this direction without brushing many feathers in the influential circles. I suggest that initially,

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Pranav happy to see you after a long time. Anyway, as for the current technology the keyboard is completely disabled for the examination tools. And the user cannot swich to applications including the windows default calculator. Practically speaking, I have seen most of the times though we have a

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi Shankar, I speak from experience having taken computer-based exams. It is hard to say about extra time, therefore let us get it but you do not need to develop any kind of calculator. The software exists. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Dear Ishan, As for computers and laptops and cheating, how would you cheat? This assumes that the institution is supplying the device. There are ways to block cheating even on your own device. One possible workaround is to use the cloud in terms of a desktop as a service model where you

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Also, the time limits must extended for the screen reader users for calculating the mathematical expressions, budget friendly, special talking calculators must introduce in the market. A person must hire for the technology troubleshooting in the examination sender. -Original Message-

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Don’t know about the past generations, but, if you ask me now, each and every student must introduced with the screen readers and other technologies from the standard 1 in all the integrated plus special schools. When the student reach standard 5, they should be able to access to internet to

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Dear list members I hope you are doing great I haven't discussed any solution in my previous mails because I am writing a proper case and its solution so that I can share it with everyone over this list Although I support technological intervention in exams but don't you think it is possible to

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi Anirudh To summarize what I wrote in my last post: 1 The exam process should be disabled centric. Meaning option to use scribe, technology etc whatever suits the candidate. 2 Complaining to authorities whenever we come to know about any malpractice. 3 Strict envigilance 4Raising our

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Yes, times have changed and so as technology too. But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology in quick time? I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams. Cheers

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

hi Ishan, you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems. but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same. by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about? and what are the infrastructure in this case? and Paul sir, the time has changed.

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on  this list. This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Dear Ishan, I feel that in my 52 years of life on earth, I must have written minimum 500 exams right from standard 5Th from an integrated school school in 1981. During that time, my teachers would take turn to write my exam different teachers for different subjects. In 10Th there was a rule that

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hello ishan jain, I was in the similar situation in final year of graduation please consider 1st example from your reply. I had appeared for the final year of graduation university exam with scribe Who could not read English properly so it has impacted my career severely. I had scored 1st class in

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

for more discussion please come on my whatsApp On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi wrote: > hellow everyone > > this is my 2nd mail on this topic > > let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions which > I need answers from all of you >

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

hellow everyone this is my 2nd mail on this topic let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions which I need answers from all of you case 1. a student of class x who is blind he prepare for his class x exam and he was sure that he will score well in Exams. on the day of

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Dear AI members, This is a good discussion. When we were asked to give our voice on NEP on Disabilities, we have given our views on macro level and few points on each type of disabilities. however, I opine the outcome based inclusive education is the need of the hour. when we are thinking about

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Vaibhav, I would have agreed a few years ago where screen readers did indeed have different keystrokes. However, these days, most screen readers have adopted similar keyboard layouts. Yes, there are differences but those are shrinking. I use nvda, orca, narrator and jaws routinely. For

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi there, an interesting thread. Actually I very strongly believe that the exam conducting bodies should make the examination accessible in a way through which visually impaired candidates can give the exams on their own with the help of screen readers. As far as the mathematical and reasoning

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

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Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Whatever is the reason may be, Glorifying success accomplished through malpractice by many VI individuals and organisations is going to end soon. I came from poor family. My parents couldn’t afford to feed me 2 times meal. I was enrolled into Marathi medium school. Hard work has no excuse and

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

in my view, the schools adopting the English as their medium and teaching the science and the mathematics in their curriculum is the way forward. inclusive education should be pushed but, the question is that, are the schools that teach the normals equipped to handle the visually challenged? On

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi, Well, computers are the part of the whole system, but specific subjects have their own merrits. First, one can not learn computer without having basic English language skills. Despite the availability of the Hindi softwares, I see no specific push by the government to make it more

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi all, It is a wonderful conversation going on. I will still support making the examination software accessible with the screen readers, and enabling visually impaired candidates appear in their exams independently. If this happens, then the people who don’t know how to operate computers will

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

In my view, The only way forward is strict Supervision through videography. Sent from my iPhone > On 17-Aug-2022, at 11:07 AM, Satguru Rathi wrote: > >  > Well said! There are schools which teach Maths upto class 8th only and untill > recently, few counted schools tought it upto 10th. How

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi all, Extremely sorry for such a long mail. Earlier, I was not thinking to give my opinion on this issue but, satguru ji's mail compelled me to talk about it. There are a few things which needs to be addressed. Firstly, why there is no separate ministry for people with disabilities? In

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

No! It is time schools and the Education departments take on the role. The system has to buy into the belief that blind and visually impaired persons have to learn STEM and they have to develop pedagogies to do so. NGOs need to advocate for it. Further it is time schools and NGOs who run

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

For this reason, some interested NGOS and volunteer groups must take initiative to teach maths and reasoning to candidates taking up exams. DR. PAUL MUDDHA DIVISIONAL MANAGER Marketing & Public Relations Wing Head Office Annex ground Floor 2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009 PH NO :080

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Well said! There are schools which teach Maths upto class 8th only and untill recently, few counted schools tought it upto 10th. How one expects from a blind candidate who has studied Maths till class 8th and was never even told in school about something called "Reasoning"! How would he solve

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Firstly the examination must be made visually impaired friendly. We are just been accommodated for examination which are meant for sighted people. Just giving some extra time, exemption from tables and graphical questions etc is not going to make any sense. And the fundamental issues remains

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi friends, Kethan said rightly. Extremely sorry I request you all read long e-mail. strengthen Fundamentally eligibility of candidate, selection and exam written format processes well. Present format also have issues like visualize and understand the journey of listen and write the public sector

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi Friends, Although the problems mentioned in the article are true to some extent, the blind community is also not without blame. Also, there are some glaring inconsistencies in the news item and I wonder why this coaching institute is not reported to police? I would have been happy if there

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

There are some pertinent problem while we advocate PC solutions to scribe issues. First, many Visually Impaired pass school exam through open schooling due to their age related issues. They do not have proper schooling. Many of them go to such institutions for their basic education which can

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Point taken about the familiarity with assistive technology / screen readers. But we do need to start somewhere and offering testing with NVDA is something that can be done. I might be a JAWS user, but if I know that I need to take an exam using NVDA ahead of time, I can practice accordingly. I

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Very true, In fact, when I was trying to pursue IT (Computing) in my 11th standard, then school management directly told me that "you should take any other subject as we don't have enough resources to teach computing and programming". And yes, that was a very huge organization and they had

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

The solution to that problem is dead simple. Schools, NGOS or other organizations which teach computing to visually challenged people include NVDA in their training/teaching curricular as a mandatory component. And yes, this will improve many things fundamentally since people will have to

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

If the job for which blind person is applying requires use of computers then the blind candidate should be asked to use the computer to take the competitive examination. For example, if it is bank probationary officer vacancy, the blind candidate can be asked to use the computer for the

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

implementation of appropreate technology such as screen readers, speech to text convertors and Braille is the only sollution to stop malpractice in exam. Every child should be taught subjects like Maths and reasoning in special school. There are many special schools where important subjects like

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Dear All Indian companies getting exam contracts from the government are very rich and are capable of implementing any technology. Accessibility engineers and facilitators training are very small things, they can do it easily. Additionally the government should be forced to start using voice to

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

I was having a discussion with Ajay Minocha over a call about the screen reader system. The point he highlighted was that we have multiple screen readers, and their respective settings. It may happen that our preferred screen reader is not there, the settings cannot be changed, or any last minute

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

I would go for the computer option any day. It gives us control over what we write. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Thanks for sharing, thought of raising this issue long back, just stopped myself not to do because of not having much dareness to face the negative comments. -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Minar Singh Sent: 14 August 2022 13:49 To:

[AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

>From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'? New Delhi, India Scribes charge from Rs 2,000 to rs 5 lakh for exam (Representational Image) Scribes charge from Rs 2,000 to rs 5 lakh for exam (Representational Image) Lack of scribes for