Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Jason McKemie
https://www.proxmox.com/en/downloads/category/proxmox-virtual-environment On Friday, January 8, 2021, Steve Jones wrote: > Where is it free? I only see the annual per socket licensing > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 5:55 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] > wrote: > >> Proxomox is opensource and free if you d

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
Where is it free? I only see the annual per socket licensing On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 5:55 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote: > Proxomox is opensource and free if you don’t want the enterprise repo. > > Although, I do pay for the licenses on mine. > > > > Jim Bouse > Owner - Brazos WiFi > 979-985-591

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steven Kenney
When was it added? From what I've been told its buggy and not as fluid and painless as vmware. I can migrate both hosts and datastores at the same time LIVE while a machine is running. Does Proxmox have DRS? [ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] [ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ ht

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination

2021-01-08 Thread Steven Kenney
Got mine too. From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "af" Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:02 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination Got me my vaccination this morning...wife got hers on Monday...the Moderna version ...painless... Wife had sore arm that evening and got tired but it was gone next morn

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination

2021-01-08 Thread Darin Steffl
How did you get yours so quickly? Minnesota is only doing Healthcare workers and nursing homes right now. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 8:48 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Got me my vaccination this morning...wife got hers on Monday...the Moderna > version ...painless... > Wife had sore arm that evening and g

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Proxomox is opensource and free if you don’t want the enterprise repo. Although, I do pay for the licenses on mine. Jim Bouse Owner - Brazos WiFi 979-985-5912 http://www.brazoswifi.com From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 4:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group S

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
wow, 20% VAT? On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 3:48 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Proxmox has both of these featues. Plus with a ceph backend storage > migration should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives > across cluster nodes. > > > > On Fri,

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Proxmox has both of these featues. Plus with a ceph backend storage migration should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives across cluster nodes. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney wrote: > HA only.. no live migrations. No live storage migrations. Last I checked >

Re: [AFMUG] Hybrid fiber + dc pre-made cables

2021-01-08 Thread TJ Trout
This is what I have so far, any feedback? Side A: LC UPC 500mm fan breakout 2.5‐3.0mm tpu armor cable Side Z: LC UPC 500mm staggered breakout with nylon mesh pulling eye 2.5‐3.0mm tpu armor cable Trunk: G657A2 TPU jacket 2‐24 ct fiber qty 2‐8 / #14‐16awg cu ofc wire Examples; 2F 2CU #14 LC UPC 3

[AFMUG] Hybrid fiber + dc pre-made cables

2021-01-08 Thread TJ Trout
Thinking of offering fiber+dc premade patch cables (2f+2dc) and tower trunk cables (12f 4-6 dc) and was wondering if this has any interest? Was thinking to offer the 2f + 2dc cables in 3ft through 100ft and the 12f and 24f cables will start at say 50ft and go up. Wondering what AWG you guys would

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steven Kenney
HA only.. no live migrations. No live storage migrations. Last I checked it didn't support it. [ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] [ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ http

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Junipers and more!

2021-01-08 Thread Jaime Solorza
Let me check with IT guy named Albert Lepehe has been replacing Criscos with Juniper... Might take a few off your hands. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 1:27 PM Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > We just got a truckload from an asset purchase and have some Junipers and > other parts I’m trying to offload. > Ju

[AFMUG] FS: Junipers and more!

2021-01-08 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
We just got a truckload from an asset purchase and have some Junipers and other parts I’m trying to offload. Junipers are like-new and test out fine. QFX5110-48S-AFI QTY4 - $4k/ea QFX5110-48S QTY2 - $4k/ea QFX10002-36QQTY4 - $6k/ea QFX5110-32Q-AFI QTY6 - $6k/ea Also looking to offload

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Thanks to TJ, we have IRR and RPKI configured. I have asked the router guy to advertise the prefix. Checked black list checking site and it says they are clean. What next? From: TJ Trout Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolo

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Matching forward and reverse DNS is best practice in any case. Less chance of email issues, and I feel like a state postal abbreviation in the name might give the geo location people a clue.  123456-customer-dynamic-city-NY.hosts.myisp.com. Ditto, had a new IP allocation about a year ago. Up

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Matt
> I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of recent > allocations without issue. Ditto, had a new IP allocation about a year ago. Updated reverse DNS etc and just used it. No issues. I am not sure if it makes a difference but we do a reverse and matching forward DNS

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread TJ Trout
I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of recent allocations without issue. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Steve Jones wrote: > NO NO NO NO > We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP > reputation, weird geolocation, I think this alloca

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
take his offer, its confusing On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:03 PM TJ Trout wrote: > Login to arin and make irr and rpki entries for your new prefix. I can > help you with that over a quick zoom call. > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:28 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> be careful on that documentation, they d

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
NO NO NO NO We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada prior. We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions process. Allocations given out now are dirty On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 P

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Nope. That's why we made that list. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:37:28 PM Sub

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread TJ Trout
Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would submit for a correction. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > No

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are. It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do... From: TJ Trout Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation why? usually only bother with

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread TJ Trout
why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having geoip related issues? On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a > way to submit info. They just want to sell you info. So I am sendin

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a way to submit info. They just want to sell you info. So I am sending lots of emails. From: TJ Trout Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] g

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread TJ Trout
Login to arin and make irr and rpki entries for your new prefix. I can help you with that over a quick zoom call. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:28 AM Steve Jones wrote: > be careful on that documentation, they depreciated the email configuration > and have a web interface like last year, so much docum

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread TJ Trout
Many databases no fee. Check this https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Is there just one geo location database? > Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://a

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Colin Stanners
There's a few companies and organizations with their own GeoIP databases, Maxmind is the biggest, and there is a funny (and frightening) story about the risk in those assumptions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/lawsuit-how-a-quiet-kansas-home-wound-up-with-600-million

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
I dont understand why theres not a service for that. I looked and looked, but may have been looking the wrong direction. the brothers wisp guide covers the big ones, and i believe theyre still updating it. It would be nice if that were an RIR component where the geolocation services pull from there

Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
Pretty sure those services infer location based on data collected from 3rd parties.  Cell phone data, what WiFi SSID's you see, Cell phone locations, etc.  Often they can get it exactly right, sometimes they only get the right state.  There's someplace in the middle of Kansas which is the geloc

[AFMUG] mapping competitor interference

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
Back in the 900 fsk day I had a state map with tags showing identified transmitters I could reference when we had fade or i had to change channels. it was really useful. we ran 2.4 fhss, so in that we were the interference 3ghz got to the point of ridiculous where i would end up with my network l

[AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Is there just one geo location database? Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett
In New York the F word is like a comma, period, and question mark.  Even some devout Christians will salt their language when they're not in church.  You hear it so often that it doesn't even register anymore. but it does depend on the setting.  In business communication it's quite rare, b

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I really like the sales rep. Have done business with him for years. Perhaps he had a hangover. And I doubt it ever happens again. I actually feel sorry for him having my comment get back to him. When you are on a camp out with your huntin’ buddies it is expected. Or out drinking all nig

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Yes, the web format is a lot easier. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:27:35 PM Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
be careful on that documentation, they depreciated the email configuration and have a web interface like last year, so much documentation is no longer applicable. I can offer little in regard to advice because mines barely correct. the folks at ARIN are way to helpful for an alphabet outfit. like

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
Can we agree to ban the U bomb in its entirety though, with the exception of alternative chuck who has a pass from good chuck? I watch sales reps, that's the course correction I'm looking at, they're chameleons, I've kind of gotten to a point where it's a game of curiosity, like trying to figure o

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FBI just don’t see a need for that stuff here. Too polarizing and to easy to offend folks. Just like vax/anti vax conversation. Some folks are very passionate about that too. Ditto religion. No need here. Go on other forums. (Except when you are talking to Steve. In tha

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies
Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Bill, Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff.  I agree some of the OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative.  A separate political tag would allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT stuff. -- Best regards, Mark                      

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Bill Prince
That's different from what I was thinking about. The F-word is almost universal in its usage. It can be a noun, a verb, and adjective, and adverb, you name it. It can also just be an expletive peppered in a sentence for effect. I don't appreciate that sort of usag

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Yes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Mike Hammett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:57:33 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What do

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Is ARIN my RIR? From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now? http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exch

Re: [AFMUG] Need a 200-400 watt load

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Tungsten bulbs have a 15x inrush current compared to hot current. Nichrome is much less inrush. From: dave Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:49 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need a 200-400 watt load +100 On 1/7/21 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Oooh I like the light bulb i

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Steve Jones
make sure mikes list gets done youll still find periodic "gurus" who use the "best" geolocation service like mediatemples firewall service, good luck on that, they probably also run avg rdns used to really matter, not sure if it still does On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:25 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
In a long string of subject lines with F bombs, it does repulse me. I don’t typically use any profanity at all and none around me do. I don’t hear it in business settings or out on job sites. Perhaps it is a Utah thing. But I deal with folks all over the world and it really never appears in

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Like? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To: "af" Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives You can use it for 1000

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steven Kenney
You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that make managing all of them easy. [ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] [ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunicat

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:

[AFMUG] What do I do now?

2021-01-08 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc. Have never been through this before. Message Hello, Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request additional IPv4 addresses from ARI

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
Strange. Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many racks full of servers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To: "af" Sent: Fr

Re: [AFMUG] Need a 200-400 watt load

2021-01-08 Thread dave
+100 On 1/7/21 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Oooh I like the light bulb idea, that'll be nice and easy!  Three 100 watt bulbs would be perfect! Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:06 AM Colin Stanners

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Bill Prince
I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college. bp On 1/8/2021 7:4

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steven Kenney
Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual before but it does now. [ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operat

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "St

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steven Kenney
Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but it

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Colin Stanners
One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyo

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Steven Kenney
Nakivo .. it just works. Its simple, effective and much more affordable than the competitors. [ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] [ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ https

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Bill Prince
Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul. However, I also know personall

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread D. Bernardi
My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Josh Baird
How many VM's? Veeam is free for <10 now I believe. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:17 AM Steve Jones wrote: > Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting > priced out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome > task. > > Having been using what is pr

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Mike Hammett
A second vote for Proxmox. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 6:00:55 AM Subje

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
>From everything I can tell, the predominant choice is ProxMox, most likely with a ceph storage backend.I haven't set one up yet, but will probably do so in the near future for non-cloud services here (packetflux, not the wisp). I just haven't had a chance to take the time to acquire the hard