Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open laptop a little more closely on my next flight

2015-05-18 Thread Rory Conaway
Or he may have saved future planes from crashing. He did try to warn them and nobody seemed to listen. Based on my experience with management and the fact the FBI thinks he flew the plane sideways, I believe he could do it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck

[AFMUG] visual ospf mapping

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Does the dude have any method to indicate OSPF paths visually? We are far from implentation, so its no priority, Im just curious how best to monitor such things. I havent messed with the dud much before, always had problems. But installed it the other day and had it scan the office network. how

Re: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over.

2015-05-18 Thread WaveDirect
A little spoiler for you. People who didn't watch it still won't be spoiled.. Twas a brilliant ending. From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 11:39:29 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over. Not much of a reason to live now... Oh, wait, Halt and

Re: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over.

2015-05-18 Thread David
Keep looking for the FEAR the WALKING DEAD season to start On 05/17/2015 10:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Not much of a reason to live now... Oh, wait, Halt and Catch Fire is starting up in a couple of weeks.

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open laptop a little more closely on my next flight

2015-05-18 Thread WaveDirect
Yeah ... makes me wonder what the hell they were thinking by allowing the wifi network be on the same network as the flight controls. This is a possible Cylon situation. - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over.

2015-05-18 Thread WaveDirect
I only caught 2 episodes of Halt.. (pardon the pun). Was it any good overall? It seemed ok but nothing interesting other than the bitchy blonde chick trying to do her own thing. I didn't bother following it. - Original Message - From: David dmilho...@wletc.com To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
UBNT would, take out the primary Air CRM competitor, put all the remaining coders on one of their boats, in the 2 years it takes that boat to get anywhere ther ewill be no updates or support. It will be madness on the ship, first with some cannibalism then... well its not pretty On Mon, May 18,

Re: [AFMUG] powercode

2015-05-18 Thread WaveDirect
Yeah also deleting posts as well that were active. - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net To: memb...@wispa.org, af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:55:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG] powercode so i was trolling through the forum just now, it's one of a few

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open laptop a little more closely on my next flight

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Luthman
IIRC on Boeing the info network and flight control stuff is separated by nothing more than a VLAN. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am going to totally

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open laptop a little more closely on my next flight

2015-05-18 Thread Chuck McCown
But when the FMS sends a command to an aileron, I will be gobsmacked to discover that commend involved ethernet in any way. There is triple redundancy on the fly by wire systems. However, if there is some kind of ethernet port on the FMS that could be used to take over FMS in some kind of

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open laptop a little more closely on my next flight

2015-05-18 Thread WaveDirect
Most likely it isn't the control systems they took control of. Probably the GPS. Todays jets are pretty simple. You learned to do all of it manually but in reality most pilots today just take off and land and that is about it. Rest of it is all automatic by tuning in alt/speed and nav

Re: [AFMUG] powercode

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
not cool bro On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:27 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org wrote: Yeah also deleting posts as well that were active. - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net To: memb...@wispa.org, af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 11:55:14 PM

[AFMUG] radio mobile clutter density

2015-05-18 Thread Adam Moffett
Does anybody know what the unit of measurement is for the clutter density in Radio Mobile? The column says (%) at the top, but I'm wondering percent of what?

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Luthman
This is a typical day on AFMUG. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: Things must be dull today On May 18, 2015 10:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm

Re: [AFMUG] visual ospf mapping

2015-05-18 Thread George Skorup
I did a sort of link bandwidth reference for OSPF interface cost. Kinda how Cisco auto-cost works, which is not ideal when you have a GigE interface but a microwave path that only does 200-400Mbps. But I quickly found out that wasn't really the best design, things routed weird and I was

Re: [AFMUG] I'll be looking at the guy across the aisle with the open laptop a little more closely on my next flight

2015-05-18 Thread Daniel White
I'd say something snarky but I'm writing this e-mail while in flight on the airplane Wi-Fi. Everyone around me has a laptop open too. H... Daniel White (303) 746-3590 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of WaveDirect Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
Protect yourself. What we do with pfsense is we created a group for bad users and put their IP in the group. This firewall group blocks incoming ssh/ntp/dns/ftp/telnet/upnp/etc. If it's a problem, they'll call us back (finally). If not, the problem is still resolved as far as we care. On May

Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I keep meaning to address all the shadowserver reports, we get like 5 different ones each day I think now. I wonder if you could write some sort of email parser to pull in the reports and take the data from the attachments to automatically generate rules On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Cassidy

Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread Duncan Scott
We have seen DDOS attacks using port 1900 which max out the customers upload. This isn't terrible for our network, but the customers connection doesn't work very well. We generally don't block ports, but I made an exception for 1900 and 5351. We block UDP traffic inbound to these ports. The

Re: [AFMUG] visual ospf mapping

2015-05-18 Thread Bill Prince
Still wish there was an OSPF(+) that would somehow account for flows. I guess the closest we have now is MPLS. I'd like to be able to use all the routes, even though some of them are not optimal. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/18/2015 8:50 AM, George Skorup wrote: I did a sort of link

Re: [AFMUG] radio mobile clutter density

2015-05-18 Thread Colin Stanners
To my knowledge there is no real unit of measurement, that's one of the values which I've set (to 499% in most heavily-treed regions - no round numbers so it's obviously something I changed, not a default program value) to make RM's estimates better match results which were gotten in the real

Re: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over.

2015-05-18 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah... kind lost the passion for working 24/7/365. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over. You could always go out to your garage and build something bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/17/2015 8:39 PM, Chuck

[AFMUG] Fwd: Usage of Teredo and IPv6 for P2P on Windows 10 and Xbox One

2015-05-18 Thread Mike Hammett
- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Forwarded Message - From: Darrin Veit dv...@microsoft.com To: na...@nanog.org Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 11:57:59 AM Subject: Usage of Teredo and IPv6 for P2P on Windows 10 and Xbox One Hi Everyone -

Re: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over.

2015-05-18 Thread Bill Prince
You could always go out to your garage and build something bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/17/2015 8:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Not much of a reason to live now... Oh, wait, Halt and Catch Fire is starting up in a couple of weeks.

Re: [AFMUG] Sad, Mad Men is over.

2015-05-18 Thread Chuck McCown
It was worth watching from my perspective. I liked how the engineers wife (who was also an engineer and worked at TI) saved everyone's butt. Still not sure what platform the show is somewhat following. I thought I figured it out last year but I forgot. It started out kinda mimicking the

[AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
I finally started getting ShadowServer reports which are nice. One thing I notice is that about 5% of customers still have routers with SSDP (the discovery protocol for UPnP) exposed on the WAN side. This despite the fact that I scanned the network earlier this year and sent notices to every

Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
If you don’t block it, or they don’t fix it, they’ll more than likely participate in a DDOS. Plus, it could impact their service and they think it’s your fault :) I’ve seen a few of those types of DDOS this year. -c On May 18, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I finally

Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread Mike Hammett
From their e-mail list: We do support an option along the lines of what you are asking. We have an interface up to pull the .csv-files from https://dl.shadowserver.org/reports/ (down at the moment, planned maintenance - should be up again tonight ) In order to be able to log in to that

Re: [AFMUG] Jacob too?!

2015-05-18 Thread Lewis Bergman
Things must be dull today On May 18, 2015 10:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: UBNT would, take out the primary Air CRM competitor, put all the remaining coders on one of their boats, in the 2 years it takes that boat to get anywhere ther ewill be no updates or

Re: [AFMUG] visual ospf mapping

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Could you do SNMP/ROS/etc and put the throughput on the links between devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 11:29 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Does the dude have any method

Re: [AFMUG] powercode

2015-05-18 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
oh ? - Original Message - From: WaveDirect To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] powercode Yeah also deleting posts as well that were active. - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net To:

[AFMUG] AirRouter firmware

2015-05-18 Thread CARL PETERSON
Does anyone have standard UBNT Airrouter firmware they can send me? Something after XM.v5.5.2 but before 5.5.8. I’,m getting a bad image message when trying to update. Looking for something intermediate. Thanks, Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410)

Re: [AFMUG] AirRouter firmware

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
Its standard firmware shared across all XM hardware. Make sure you aren't trying to upgrade from the upload config button. On May 18, 2015 10:37:07 AM AKDT, CARL PETERSON cpeter...@portnetworks.com wrote: Does anyone have standard UBNT Airrouter firmware they can send me? Something after

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

2015-05-18 Thread Dan Petermann
I build my own Macs. Much cheaper and I don’t have to infect the hardware with windows. On May 16, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Nothing personal intended. I apply it equally to all Apple users. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment

2015-05-18 Thread Andy Trimmell
I had a phone once that caught the iOS virus. Never used that thing again. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment I build my own Macs. Much cheaper and I don't have

Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
Yeah, even a video tutorial didn't seem to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHnacMKb2ro -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 2:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers We've seen this in a small

Re: [AFMUG] how much to worry about SSDP vulnerable customers

2015-05-18 Thread Bill Prince
We've seen this in a small handful of cases. The end-user impact is that it eats their upstream bandwidth. In the cases that I've seen we have been able to update the firmware, so I guess they all had been using the latest hardware. However, we have had to hand-hold the users involved because

[AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Since I dont expect much forum followup from powercode Im trying to set my OSPF router ID IP as a loopback UP I create the interface, but when I go to apply the IP is says cant find dummy interface anybody come across this? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread Simon Westlake
Update to the 4.x firmware line, it was fixed late in 3.x. On May 18, 2015 2:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I dont expect much forum followup from powercode Im trying to set my OSPF router ID IP as a loopback UP I create the interface, but when I go to

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
can I go 3.3.10 to 4.0.2? or do I need to load in order, and is anything going to break On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Update to the 4.x firmware line, it was fixed late in 3.x. On May 18, 2015 2:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread Bill Prince
Go for it. If you're going to 4.x, I would recommend 4.17, which was the last version in the 4.x series. But I have found that the 5.26 is a bit more robust in the OSPF department. What hardware is this on BTW? bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/18/2015 12:48 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
NX216v2 Im slowly onlining OSPF. I have one management subnet thats actually flowing with OSPF. im a baby steps guy when its a pre drunken passed out in bushes weekend week On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: Go for it. If you're going to 4.x, I would

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
4.0.2 is the latest non beta, any problems with that? On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: NX216v2 Im slowly onlining OSPF. I have one management subnet thats actually flowing with OSPF. im a baby steps guy when its a pre drunken passed out

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread Simon Westlake
Yeah, 3.3.10 to 4.x is fine, there should be instructions in the firmware repo as a text file also. On May 18, 2015 2:48 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: can I go 3.3.10 to 4.0.2? or do I need to load in order, and is anything going to break On Mon, May 18, 2015 at

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread Simon Westlake
I think/assumed he was asking about a Powercode BMU rather than Mtik. :) On May 18, 2015 2:51 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: Go for it. If you're going to 4.x, I would recommend 4.17, which was the last version in the 4.x series. But I have found that the 5.26 is a bit more

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread Simon Westlake
I'd just do 4.0.4 honestly, not much changed in it and it just fixes a couple off minor bugs. On May 18, 2015 2:57 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: 4.0.2 is the latest non beta, any problems with that? On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread Simon Westlake
Btw, all this advice provided as is, I'm not an employee of Powercode etc etc On May 18, 2015 3:00 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: I'd just do 4.0.4 honestly, not much changed in it and it just fixes a couple off minor bugs. On May 18, 2015 2:57 PM, That One Guy

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
i wont tell On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Btw, all this advice provided as is, I'm not an employee of Powercode etc etc On May 18, 2015 3:00 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: I'd just do 4.0.4 honestly,

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread Bill Prince
Oh you're right (read the subject line dummy) Sorry. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/18/2015 12:59 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: I think/assumed he was asking about a Powercode BMU rather than Mtik. :) On May 18, 2015 2:51 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com

Re: [AFMUG] poercode loopback IP

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
jesus henry crumbs! this OSPF business is like magic. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: Oh you're right (read the subject line dummy) Sorry. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 5/18/2015 12:59 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: I think/assumed he was

Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com

2015-05-18 Thread Lewis Bergman
I refuse to use a mount not certified for my intended frequency. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Fixed it. I had given three different tower mounts a frequency of 10.7-11.7 GHz. Database queries got confused... *From:* Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us

Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com

2015-05-18 Thread Chuck McCown
For an extra $5 per mount, I will give you a COC stating that the mount has been tested and has been found to conform to safe and legal operation limits at the specific frequency and bandwith of operation. Be sure to include the power levels and modulation formats upon request. From:

Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com

2015-05-18 Thread Chuck McCown
Actually, I think we do on some products. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com Do you include the government warning sticker? How much extra for that? http://www.ecfr.gov/graphics/pdfs/ec03oc91.048.pdf From: Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com

2015-05-18 Thread Chuck McCown
Fixed it. I had given three different tower mounts a frequency of 10.7-11.7 GHz. Database queries got confused... From: Sean Heskett Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 7:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com Yeah it's been that way for a while :( On Sunday, May 17,

Re: [AFMUG] radio mobile clutter density

2015-05-18 Thread Adam Moffett
I've been using 500% for the same reasonthat's what got me results similar to real measurements. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a statistical fudge factor, but I was hoping to be a little more scientific about the adjustments in the future. Real tree studying types have formulas

Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com

2015-05-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
Do you include the government warning sticker? How much extra for that? http://www.ecfr.gov/graphics/pdfs/ec03oc91.048.pdf From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com For an extra $5 per mount, I will give you a COC

Re: [AFMUG] radio mobile clutter density

2015-05-18 Thread Adam Moffett
OK, Are there any guesses or opinions on what percentages to use for different types of trees? On 5/18/2015 5:56 PM, Colin Stanners wrote: There's a huge number of factors; number of trees per acre, what kind of tree, what season, what amount of humidity they have (that can cause an aditional

Re: [AFMUG] AirRouter firmware

2015-05-18 Thread Glen Waldrop
If you can't find an archive to download from let me know. I've got quite a bit of old firmware. - Original Message - From: CARL PETERSON To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:37 PM Subject: [AFMUG] AirRouter firmware Does anyone have standard UBNT Airrouter

Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com

2015-05-18 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Boy, that could have gone dark really quick, some acronyms should not be used around degenerates like me On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: For an extra $5 per mount, I will give you a COC stating that the mount has been tested and has been found to conform

[AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
What is the lowest temperature that each of you would normally expect to see in your enclosures? The reason I'm asking is that I'm in the process of developing up a few new products. To date, all of the packetflux products are designed with components rated -40 to +85C (I.E way cold to way hot).

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah... I have no idea if it would be practical, or even work... but it's an idea. I can't imagine that -13F would be a problem inside an enclosure around here, since they're normally going to be enough electronics in there to make a fair amount of heat, but if there was an extended power outage

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Mark Radabaugh
-13F would be the minimum I would expect to see. That is pretty much the minimum OAT here and the enclosures are usually at least 10F warmer. I would expect internal heating to keep the SD warm. What is the failure if the SD card is too cold? The unit won't boot until it warms up? I

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
There are solutions, it just comes down to bits per dollar. A SD card + socket probably costs around $5-6 to implement, including card. For that you get around 4GB (4096MB) or so. Plus if you're picky about the brand you can get a card with built-in wear leveling, etc, so you don't have to

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread George Skorup
Why not NAND flash, or is that what you're talking about? The MT boards don't seem to have too many problems with temperature as far as the flash goes. On 5/18/2015 10:35 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: There are solutions, it just comes down to bits per dollar. A SD card +

Re: [AFMUG] 15 mile EPMP link 2.4

2015-05-18 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Craig, I don’t have anything offer in the way of help but if you don't mind reporting back how it went and what size dish you used. I would appreciate it. Right now we are deploying some epmp in 5ghz to fill in some area's but I have been considering doing some in 2.4 in specific areas that are

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
There's a lot of things along those lines: The current sitemonitor base unit has 128KB of program memory, 3808 *bytes* (not kb, not mb) of RAM, and an external 1MB flash storage used for configuration and web page storage. I haven't consumed the entire 1MB flash, but that's largely because of

Re: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
You're looking for a 'rochester remote ready' guage and transponder. The gauge part gets put on the tank by the tank owner, and the second clips onto the gauge and creates an 0-5V output. -forrest On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:16 PM, David Milholen dmilho...@wletc.com wrote: I am looking for a

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
Honest question. Here's the specs on the ODROID-C1: - * Amlogic ARM® Cortex®-A5(ARMv7) 1.5Ghz quad core CPUs * Mali™-450 MP2 GPU (OpenGL ES 2.0/1.1 enabled for Linux and Android) * 1Gbyte DDR3 SDRAM * Gigabit Ethernet * 40pin GPIOs * eMMC4.5 HS200 Flash Storage slot AND UHS-1 SDR50 MicroSD

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Lewis Bergman
I don't know what you have seen but the percentage of components failing at the lie side of the range is pretty small. Having said that, we might have temps down to +10 f for three days on the extreme side so what do I know. On May 18, 2015 9:09 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
And since the card is going to be trapped in a similarly sized enclosure with slightly more power consumption, it's probably a good indication. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:31 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, that is why I mentioned that it was the internal site monitor temperature.

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Let me explain it this way: Because I'm worried about the reliability of the SD card, I'm not likely to prevent basic operation and general operation if it fails. There's going to be sufficient memory otherwise for the device to run and operate correctly. The purpose of the additional memory is

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Jaime Solorza
Lots depends on enclosure and its size. For heat dissipation you usually size them larger. You could size smaller and depending what device is inside my supply some heat.Enclosure heaters start at around 25.00 at Automation Direct fyi Jaime Solorza On May 18, 2015 8:34 PM, Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I actually plan on shipping with the SD card inside (i.e. not intended to be end-user removable), but I definitely was thinking that adding an extended temp range version for an appropriate additional price would be an option. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Just to add a couple random thoughts here... 1) Part of my concern is not knowing the cold failure modes. If you attempt to write to a card when it's cold do you destroy the card? Or does getting too cold by itself cause data loss. If I knew for instance that as long as I didn't write to

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Yep, NAND flash is what I'm talking about. At quantities matching product sales, 64MB is about as big as you can get at the same pricing as that 4GB SD card. There are some less expensive parallel parts available, but for various reasons, none of them is suitable for this design (the cost of

[AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge

2015-05-18 Thread David Milholen
I am looking for a LP gas gauge that has a sensor for remote sense in the measure of ohms to connect to a site monitor or possibly the standby controller we have to let us know the level of our LP tank. ALSO forest, If you would be so kind to tell me the secret rule for configuring the

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Chris Fabien
We see -20F ambient once a winter most years. On May 18, 2015 10:09 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: What is the lowest temperature that each of you would normally expect to see in your enclosures? The reason I'm asking is that I'm in the process of developing

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
Why not both? On May 18, 2015 7:35:37 PM AKDT, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: There are solutions, it just comes down to bits per dollar. A SD card + socket probably costs around $5-6 to implement, including card. For that you get around 4GB (4096MB) or so. Plus

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread George Skorup
Yeah, that could be useful. But why not just store stuff like this in RAM? Perfect example is the throughput monitoring statistics on Canopy. It obviously doesn't persist across reboots. I know you probably don't have a lot of RAM to work with though. Let me give you another example

Re: [AFMUG] looking for a simple lp gauge

2015-05-18 Thread Nate Burke
Can't help with the LP Monitor, but here's my Control Sequence for a 2 wire generator start with Weekly testing. Relay 5 disconnects all load from the panel, Relay 6 controls primary/backup feed to the panel. I found that if I didn't disconnect the load before switching, I would pop

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Adam Moffett
Wouldn't the simple answer be to offer the device and SD card as separate items? Then on your site you say, If you want to have storage with the same industrial temperature range as the rest of my product line then buy this card, or supply your own at your own risk. Everybody selling fiber

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Luthman
-13f isn't that hateful. It's not that cold here :P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 18, 2015 10:14 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Wouldn't the simple answer be to offer the device and SD card as separate

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Adam Moffett
The danger you have to consider is a cold start, such as if the power was off for awhile. On 5/18/2015 10:32 PM, George Skorup wrote: This winter was pretty cold. For about a week straight in the middle of January and again in February, I had a few base units reporting under 0F every night.

[AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Vince West
Is there no solution for embedded memory instead of a card slot? I am assuming it is cost prohibitive or it does not work for your project. That being said there have been days in the winter where we see -5° for days in a row. It doesn't happen often. Even with heat generated from equipment, I am

[AFMUG] 15 mile EPMP link 2.4

2015-05-18 Thread Craig House
Anyone have an idea what kind of reliability/ signal I might see from a 15 mile EPMP 2.4 link Dished at 150' on a tower to a 90 degree sector at 255' on the other end? I have limited experience with the EPMP stuff but so far it is performing well. We even had a 7 mile shot without a dish for

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Reynolds
SD/CF cards freeze in cold weather :( On May 18, 2015 6:09:07 PM AKDT, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: What is the lowest temperature that each of you would normally expect to see in your enclosures? The reason I'm asking is that I'm in the process of developing up

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Jeremy
The coldest that I saw INSIDE our enclosures this year (accordint to SiteMonitor internal temperature) was 0-C (32-F). Last year was much colder but back then I was using the APC for temperature and backup, and that graph data has all been deleted. I can't say for sure if the temperature in the

Re: [AFMUG] Broken website wbmfg.com

2015-05-18 Thread Mike Hammett
You undervalue yourself. No one else does this. $50/item premium. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 3:47:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] AirRouter firmware

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Luthman
I have: 02/13/2012 02:33 PM 6,842,240 XM-v5.3.5.build11245.bin 02/13/2012 02:33 PM 5,920,078 XM-v5.4.5.build11242.bin 03/15/2013 11:42 AM 6,896,741 XM-v5.5.4.build16501.bin 06/04/2013 02:57 PM 6,896,765 XM-v5.5.6.build17762.bin 01/23/2014 01:34 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Josh Luthman
That probe is a lot warmer than the enclosure. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 18, 2015 10:23 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: The coldest that I saw INSIDE our enclosures this year (accordint to SiteMonitor internal

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Adam Moffett
Ok, but Forrest is using all industrial components that are rated to -40C. Are you saying he should add a resistor just to pre-heat the SD slot? ...ok maybe you're on to something there. How about that Forrest? Would a 10cent resistor and 2 minute pre-boot warmup eliminate any issue? On

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Ken Hohhof
I would agree with George’s numbers. Some of our smaller enclosures don’t have much thermal mass or internal heating. With the crazy weather extremes, we could conceivably get down to –25F inside the box for a day, especially the ones we purposely put on the north side of a grain bin to

Re: [AFMUG] AirRouter firmware

2015-05-18 Thread Matt Hardy
If you ever need a specific version, you can email supp...@ubnt.com and they'll send it to you. We generally only post the latest on our downloads section now, due to security updates, etc. Let me know which version you need, and can send to you if someone else hasn't already. -Matt On Mon, May

Re: [AFMUG] 15 mile EPMP link 2.4

2015-05-18 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hi Craig, I would suggest that you use the link planner software located in support section of Cambium site. It will give you the best info you can in regards to your link. You can also play what if We don't do much with 2.4ghz (too much noise), mostly 5ghz, for a 15 mile link in 5ghz, we

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Jeremy
Yeah, that is why I mentioned that it was the internal site monitor temperature. Forrest knows almost exactly how far off it is from the ambient temperature. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That probe is a lot warmer than the enclosure. Josh

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread George Skorup
This winter was pretty cold. For about a week straight in the middle of January and again in February, I had a few base units reporting under 0F every night. And I know the outside air temp was -20 to -25F. Obviously take the base unit's temp reading with a grain of salt because it's clearly

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure low temperature

2015-05-18 Thread Mathew Howard
You could get around that by putting a heater on board to warm up the components, like the epmp has. On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: The danger you have to consider is a cold start, such as if the power was off for awhile. On 5/18/2015 10:32 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Splicing

2015-05-18 Thread Jeremy
Back from the dead! If anyone was still looking for a source for these I have found them sold at discountlowvoltage.com in packs of 200. On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are 110 patch cables. If you need to field terminate your own, use something