Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-POE-APC Questions

2017-05-16 Thread George Skorup
I was confused at first too. It looks like Chuck may have got the 4/5 & 7/8 pair jumpers backwards, but fixed it on the label and simply blacked out the print on the board. The paper label on the back of the card is correct. I've used several in the past month on 2-pair and 4-pair powered

Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

2017-05-16 Thread Tim Reichhart
Gotcha some people don't want to use crm like Wispmon for this. There got to be open source or software allow you to make and create digital forms with signing. -Original Message- Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature From: "Cameron Crum" To:

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing helmets

2017-05-16 Thread Mitch Koep
+100 GME On 05/16/2017 10:08 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Petzl, I just got mine from Tessco but I'd look at GME next time Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Jay Weekley

Re: [AFMUG] Climbing helmets

2017-05-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Petzl, I just got mine from Tessco but I'd look at GME next time Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > It's time for new climbing helmets. What are your

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Releases

2017-05-16 Thread Mitch Koep
Here is a link to the release descriptions for 3G http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Information/WORK_PLAN/Description_Releases/ This is a very good explanation of 4G vs 4G LTE https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-4G-and-4G-LTE On 05/16/2017 08:39 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Don't​ the

[AFMUG] Climbing helmets

2017-05-16 Thread Jay Weekley
It's time for new climbing helmets. What are your favorites and where do you get them?

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Releases

2017-05-16 Thread Jason McKemie
Don't​ the newer revisions have NLOS and/or throughput improvements? On Tuesday, May 16, 2017, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Pure speculation incoming... > > Those chips are cheap now. Also, the mobility enhancements made since then > don't really have an advantage for static

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Releases

2017-05-16 Thread Josh Reynolds
Pure speculation incoming... Those chips are cheap now. Also, the mobility enhancements made since then don't really have an advantage for static ptmp links. - Josh On May 16, 2017 6:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" wrote: > So can someone who knows something about LTE

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Rory Conaway
Just to be clear, the 500lbs thing on the man-lift was a joke. Probably should have phrased it better. With 2 guys, you are already at 350-450lbs and even a 120’ or larger would only give you 100lbs to work with above 80’. We have a tower company we work and I haven’t discussed it with them

Re: [AFMUG] Wonder who installed these?

2017-05-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Love those places...wife won't bike...injured her shoulder 12 years ago racing and lost her rotator cuff...has implant now so activities changed...she ran marathons... On May 16, 2017 4:31 PM, "Sam Lambie" wrote: I was in sedona and flagstaff this weekend. riding bikes

Re: [AFMUG] Wonder who installed these?

2017-05-16 Thread Sam Lambie
I was in sedona and flagstaff this weekend. riding bikes On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > I figured...we spent Sunday morning in area hiking... > > On May 16, 2017 4:08 PM, "Sam Lambie" wrote: > >> Yep, that was me! >>

Re: [AFMUG] Liability insurance

2017-05-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Mitch Koep" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:00:11 PM > Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Wonder who installed these?

2017-05-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
I figured...we spent Sunday morning in area hiking... On May 16, 2017 4:08 PM, "Sam Lambie" wrote: > Yep, that was me! > > Thanks > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Jaime Solorza > wrote: > >> Nice work ... >> > > > > -- > -- > *Sam Lambie* >

Re: [AFMUG] Wonder who installed these?

2017-05-16 Thread Sam Lambie
Yep, that was me! Thanks On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Nice work ... > -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

2017-05-16 Thread Mitch Koep
Also can be done in Azotel On 05/16/2017 04:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote: You can do it in powercode as well On May 16, 2017 2:33 PM, "Cameron Crum" > wrote: Tim, this is a part of Wispmon. I was just letting people know the options

Re: [AFMUG] Liability insurance

2017-05-16 Thread Mitch Koep
Chris Danielson 651-216-5757 Just spoke to him nationwide will give him a shot and see Mitch Koep 218-851-8689 cell On 05/16/2017 04:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Does Unitel handle this Nation Wide, or just certain states ? I would not mind if you could share a contact. Thanks. Faisal

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Seriously, I wonder what the market would be if I put a 4.5” pipe on my 60” slope mount. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna It will work, for a while... From: Eric Kuhnke Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown
It will work, for a while... From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Chuck, looks great for smaller stuff and tapering towers. But I seriously hope you are not recommending mounting an 8'

Re: [AFMUG] Liability insurance

2017-05-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Does Unitel handle this Nation Wide, or just certain states ? I would not mind if you could share a contact. Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

2017-05-16 Thread Steve Jones
You can do it in powercode as well On May 16, 2017 2:33 PM, "Cameron Crum" wrote: > Tim, this is a part of Wispmon. I was just letting people know the options > available. > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Tim Reichhart < > timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Or if you want the really good stuff: http://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-SM60.PDF From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Yeah, the strut and attachment hardware for it are also going to be at least 75 to 85 lbs together. Some examples of what I'm talking about, before adding the stiff-arm strut: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TAP-472%20(Assembly).pdf (240 lbs)

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Couple years ago we installed an 8 ft. 11GHz Radiowaves antenna 80 ft. high on 200 ft. tower. We had to wait until a Sunday morning at 530am to hoist up when winds were almost nil. Two tower monkeys and 6 ground crew ...the mount was already in place so all we brought up was dish and attached it

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Jesse Dupont
Don't forget to strut the edge of the dish back to the tower. From: Af on behalf of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:11:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO

Re: [AFMUG] Liability insurance

2017-05-16 Thread Jesse Dupont
We started out using our local agent (didn't know where else to go initially). We ultimately got it all done, but over the years, the premium has continued to grow and grow and grow. Part of the issue is that if an underwriter doesn't truly understand a risk, they characterize said risk higher

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Now go to sitepro1.com, find the tower steel section, and find a standoff mount suitable for a 4.50" OD sch80 galvanized pipe and the wind loading of an 8' dish... The pipe and mount are going to weigh 300 pounds guaranteed... You're not gonna mount a 8' dish direct to a tower, no matter what

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Mitch Koep
Rory Careful too bulky to maneuver on a man lift let alone line up and twist into place Mitch On 05/16/2017 03:33 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mitch Koep *Sent:*

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=25986 276 lbs. That said, that's without radome. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Eric Kuhnke"

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke
An 8' dish is way over 500 pounds. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to put an 8' dish on a tower??? And have you calculated if the tower can even take the new wind loading of an 8' dish at EIA/TIA 222G calculations for its exposure category? Weight aside the wind loading of an 8' dish is

Re: [AFMUG] Liability insurance

2017-05-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Do you purchase any kind of insurance ? if you do, chances are you are already dealing with and insurance agent.. Start with them... Or find a local insurance agent (Business insurance) and they will be able to get you business liability insurance. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet &

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Can u share a topographic path with me? I have done some tough shots using 4 antennas per side with Canopy radios and splitter. On May 16, 2017 2:29 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > I’ve got a ledge in the middle. I have done that though, under bridges. > > > > Rory > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Colin Stanners
May want to try the signal dual-slant instead of V+H, although I'm not sure if the feedhorns on the big RW antennas can be set that way. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. > > > > Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Rory Conaway
I’m going to use a man-lift assuming the antenna is under 500lbs. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Koep Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna These are not real fun

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Mathew Howard
It does work better sometimes to stick closer to the ground when you're going through trees, but yeah... if there's dirt in the way, that's not gonna work so good. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > I’ve got a ledge in the middle. I have done that

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Rory Conaway
I’ve got a ledge in the middle. I have done that though, under bridges. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Have you

Re: [AFMUG] 14 awg cable source

2017-05-16 Thread Mathew Howard
I was cheated! not sure exactly what I would've done with another connection anyway. :P On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Jerry Head wrote: > Mine came with a connector on the cable and a connector came with the eNB > so, two connectors! > > On 5/14/2017 6:06 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Liability insurance

2017-05-16 Thread Eric Rogers
We use Hanover. Eric Rogers PDS Connect www.pdsconnect.me (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: May 16, 2017 3:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Liability insurance Who does everyone use for

Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

2017-05-16 Thread Cameron Crum
Tim, this is a part of Wispmon. I was just letting people know the options available. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Tim Reichhart < timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote: > Cameron > what software are you using to do this with on digital part of it? > > Tim > > --

Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

2017-05-16 Thread Tim Reichhart
Cameron what software are you using to do this with on digital part of it? Tim -Original Message- From: "Cameron Crum" To: af@afmug.com Date: 05/16/17 02:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature We give users both options. They can build a

Re: [AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

2017-05-16 Thread Cameron Crum
We give users both options. They can build a template to pre-send when a work order is created and they can also sign the tech's phone or tablet so you have a digital signature upon work order completion. They can also set a welcome letter to be emailed that can include the contract once the work

Re: [AFMUG] 14 awg cable source

2017-05-16 Thread Jerry Head
Mine came with a connector on the cable and a connector came with the eNB so, two connectors! On 5/14/2017 6:06 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yeah, I thought it would, but ours didn't. I also thought the connector would come with the cable and not thw eNB, based on stuff I had heard earlier, so I

Re: [AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1 provider - feedback?

2017-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Joining the IX is so that the bulk of your traffic gets peered off quickly and cheaply. FL-IX has all of the big players, so if your traffic is primarily residential, I'd expect 2/3rds of it to go to the IX. Google, Twitch, Yahoo, Akamai, Amazon, Facebook, Fastly, Highwinds, Hurricane Electric,

[AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

2017-05-16 Thread Darin Steffl
Hello all, We've never done contracts for residential before so wondering how you all do this. Do you have paper copies that are signed during the install or do you send something electronically before the install to have signed? If you're electronic, what service do you use for this to have

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Skimming. Sorry my not so smartphone messes with me. On May 16, 2017 11:18 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Have you considered skeeming to ground under the trees? > > On May 16, 2017 9:19 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> Not in this case. If they

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
Have you considered skeeming to ground under the trees? On May 16, 2017 9:19 AM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower > they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the > medical clinic

[AFMUG] Shireen FP-1204 600um fibers

2017-05-16 Thread Carl Peterson
I've never seen 600um buffer before but it clearly exists. Anyone know of a breakout kit for this cable to get it to 3mm or even better a breakout to outdoor fiber?

Re: [AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1 provider - feedback?

2017-05-16 Thread Paul McCall
I am going to join FL-IX, but how will that help me know my traffic if my carrier doesn't flow through there? IX was mainly for Netflix to start From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett [af...@ics-il.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:30 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1 provider - feedback?

2017-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I know you know this, Canadian Paul. More meant for the rest of the list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16,

Re: [AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1 provider - feedback?

2017-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Peering first. Join an IX or get direct peers. Then run flow analysis tools to determine what ASes get you closest to the destinations of most of your traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1 provider - feedback?

2017-05-16 Thread Mike Hammett
"Tier 1" *facepalm* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:36:16 AM Subject: [AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown
16’ dish From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:18 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, but what if it doesn't work with the 8' dish? once you have some kind of a link in place, it's pretty easy to get a good idea of what's going to happen when you get bigger dishes on there. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > The amount of

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Would a smaller dish size allow you receive more multipath signals in a NLOS scenario? On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: > The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an > issue. It’s more important that the link work. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Rory Conaway
The amount of revenue is high enough that the cost of the antenna isn’t an issue. It’s more important that the link work. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 9:04 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Colin Stanners
As great as Linkplanner is, I've found it to be useless for NLOS / trees. Too many variables. I've gotten surprisingly accurate results for NLOS cases using RadioMobile supplemented with my experience and area-based data. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Gino A. Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Mathew Howard
Putting up an 8' dish without having any idea what it's going to do seems kind of risky - I'd assume that's not going to be cheap to put that up. I would want to put up some kind of a test link before I went there, even if it was just a pair of PowerBeams. On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Rory Conaway
I ran the numbers in linkplanner. Too much tree variable for anything to be accurate. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Rory Conaway
Not in this case. If they won’t let me put a 1 or 2’ dish on the tower they run to get extra bandwidth to the school (7 T1’s for 300 kids) or the medical clinic (2 T-1’s), I’m thinking they aren’t going to let me cut down or trim a mile of trees. Everytime I proposed something I was answered

Re: [AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1 provider - feedback?

2017-05-16 Thread Paul Stewart
Just in the process of dropping them from our mix … however …. they have always been solid provider with very little issues. How they get utilized in the network and participate in your overall mix is always a challenge .. I much prefer to avoid Tier1 providers in general to be honest - prefer

[AFMUG] GTT as a Tier 1 provider - feedback?

2017-05-16 Thread Paul McCall
Looking at bandwidth options in Miami. Investigating GTT today. Anybody, besides Faisal , have any feedback on them ? (Faisal speaks highly of them) Paul Paul McCall, President PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Chuck McCown
Actually, you would be surprised. I have asked them to remove trees in a microwave path before and they had no problem doing it. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna I’d like to stay

Re: [AFMUG] Does anyone have a 28-34dBi 2.4GHz 2x2 MIMO antenna

2017-05-16 Thread Gino A. Villarini
It would be fun to see how this goes… as Chuck said.. Go in with 2’ dishes and see what SOM you get, then go to your desk and modify SOM parameters with gains of bigger dishes… maybe even with 8’ you don’t get the proper SNR to achieve the data rates you are needing From: Af