date:20180228

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Dan Parrish

 I believe the key phrase is, "must accept interference from other sources."

--dan



On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

holy cow, i just got done reading what i could find on them. thats just a
shitshow of terrible customers on terrible service. We have maybe 10
customers left to shed that we just simply cant provide reliable service
to, I dont even feel bad now, apparently I can all but show up at their
house and use the radio cable to strangle their infant and people will
still pay

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:26 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their
> old customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are
> backed up.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet
>
>
>
> all you need to know about this outfit
>
>
>
> " Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to
> another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also
> have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an
> issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my
> opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and
> providing quality seriously.
> Follow up note:
> When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
> equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
> explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead
> of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
> happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
> abusive employees."
>
>
>
> https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city
>
>
>
> not that BBB is legit, but there is this https://www.bbb.org/
> phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-
> broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>
>
>
> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause
> its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in
> the judiciary
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Chuck McCown

Low hanging fruit for those of you in that area...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

lmao, they even have their own page called airebeam hostages

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

  We have a guy in Wisconsin who tries things like this.

  KJ

  On 2/28/2018 9:57 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:

Not sure what they think they can enforce on unlicensed frequencies..

On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  ï¿½

  ï¿½

  Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just 
fishing.ï¿½ Iï¿½ve got my attorneys looking it over and Iï¿½m going to make an 
inquiry to the Attorney Generalï¿½s office tomorrow.

  ï¿½

  Rory Conaway ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½ CEO

  4226 S. 37th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040

  602-426-0542

  r...@triadwireless.net

  www.triadwireless.net

  ï¿½

  ï¿½Yesterdays Home Runs donï¿½t win todays games!ï¿½

  ï¿½

-- 
Simon Westlake | CEO
simon@sonar.software
(702) 447-1247
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Robert


I must have stayed at a Holiday Inn last night but isn't this a form of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

On 2/28/18 8:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
All fun and games til the litigation specialists attorney files an 
injunction and some judge thinks this will get his name in the net 
neutrality game as a helper of people halts the target ISP operations


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:08 PM, Darin Steffl > wrote:


We all know 5ghz is unlicensed and there's nothing they can do about it.

Ignore the letter and deploy where you want. Just don't purposefully
go on the same channel they're on when you can scan and pick a clean
channel if available.

The letter is a scare tactic and nothing more.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:39 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:

__ __

__ __

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are
just fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m
going to make an inquiry to the Attorney General’s office
tomorrow.

__ __

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37
^th
Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542 *

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*__ __*

/“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”/

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

https://www.facebook.com/groups/482822665389519/about/

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:18 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> lmao, they even have their own page called airebeam hostages
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Keefe John 
> wrote:
>
>> We have a guy in Wisconsin who tries things like this.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>> On 2/28/2018 9:57 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>>
>> Not sure what they think they can enforce on unlicensed frequencies..
>>
>> On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
>> fishing.ï¿½ Iï¿½ve got my attorneys looking it over and Iï¿½m going to make
>> an inquiry to the Attorney Generalï¿½s office tomorrow.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> th Street ï¿½
>> Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *ï¿½*
>>
>> *ï¿½Yesterdays Home Runs donï¿½t win todays games!ï¿½*
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake | CEOsimon@sonar.software(702) 447-1247https://sonar.software
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

lmao, they even have their own page called airebeam hostages

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:14 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> We have a guy in Wisconsin who tries things like this.
>
> KJ
>
> On 2/28/2018 9:57 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:
>
> Not sure what they think they can enforce on unlicensed frequencies..
>
> On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.ï¿½ Iï¿½ve got my attorneys looking it over and Iï¿½m going to make
> an inquiry to the Attorney Generalï¿½s office tomorrow.
>
> ï¿½
>
> *Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37 th
> Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *ï¿½*
>
> *ï¿½Yesterdays Home Runs donï¿½t win todays games!ï¿½*
>
> ï¿½
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake | CEOsimon@sonar.software(702) 447-1247https://sonar.software
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Rory Conaway

We cover one of the areas with Airebeam and we can’t install over their old 
customers fast enough.  Ken is backed up at least 3 times what we are backed up.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to 
another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also have 
horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an issue. 
(and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my opinion, Greg 
does not take the responsibility of owning a business and providing quality 
seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated equipment 
that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I explained to him 
that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead of finding a 
solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than happy to return 
their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their abusive employees."

https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city

not that BBB is legit, but there is this 
https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.

wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause its 
too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in the 
judiciary

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

All fun and games til the litigation specialists attorney files an
injunction and some judge thinks this will get his name in the net
neutrality game as a helper of people halts the target ISP operations

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:08 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> We all know 5ghz is unlicensed and there's nothing they can do about it.
>
> Ignore the letter and deploy where you want. Just don't purposefully go on
> the same channel they're on when you can scan and pick a clean channel if
> available.
>
> The letter is a scare tactic and nothing more.
>
> On Feb 28, 2018 9:39 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
>> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
>> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> th Street •
>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Rory Conaway

We do but who knows, maybe Simon is right.  I think a cease and desist letter 
from a couple manufacturers and WISPS is in order.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

We all know 5ghz is unlicensed and there's nothing they can do about it.

Ignore the letter and deploy where you want. Just don't purposefully go on the 
same channel they're on when you can scan and pick a clean channel if available.

The letter is a scare tactic and nothing more.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:39 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just fishing.  
I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an inquiry to the 
Attorney General’s office tomorrow.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Keefe John


We have a guy in Wisconsin who tries things like this.

KJ


On 2/28/2018 9:57 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:

Not sure what they think they can enforce on unlicensed frequencies..

On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


ï¿½

ï¿½

Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just 
fishing.ï¿½ Iï¿½ve got my attorneys looking it over and Iï¿½m going 
to make an inquiry to the Attorney Generalï¿½s office tomorrow.


ï¿½

*Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*ï¿½*

/ï¿½Yesterdays Home Runs donï¿½t win todays games!ï¿½/

ï¿½



--
Simon Westlake | CEO
simon@sonar.software
(702) 447-1247
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

2018-02-28 Thread Chuck McCown

I can’t remember of Steve Coran is on this list or not.  If not you ought to 
forward this to him.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce 
something like this about 15 years ago.
He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.  

Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of this 
quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they are going to 
make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona got these 
today.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

2018-02-28 Thread Chuck McCown

I actually tried to get my FCC attorney to agree that we could enforce 
something like this about 15 years ago.
He told me I was pissin’ in the wind.  

Part 15 and the doctrine of the “law of the commons” were again me.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of this 
quickly so it doesn’t spread to every law office that thinks they are going to 
make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona got these 
today.

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

all you need to know about this outfit

" Today is a Great Day!  I cancelled my Airebeam account and switched to
another company. This company has the worst customer service. They also
have horrible internet service. They are very unresponsive when there is an
issue. (and if they did respond, they always blamed the router.) In my
opinion, Greg does not take the responsibility of owning a business and
providing quality seriously.
Follow up note:
When Steven (installer) contacted me to pick up equipment, he stated
equipment that wasn't even theirs. He then proceeded to yell at me. I
explained to him that he was never to contact me again. The owner, instead
of finding a solution, threatened to file theft charges. I am more than
happy to return their equipment, but I don't have to put up with their
abusive employees."

https://www.yelp.com/biz/airebeam-arizona-city

not that BBB is legit, but there is this
https://www.bbb.org/phoenix/business-reviews/internet-providers/airebeam-broadband-in-arizona-city-az-133070/reviews-and-complaints

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>
> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause
> its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in
> the judiciary
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
>> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
>> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Darin Steffl

Also their Google and Facebook reviews are absolutely horrible. Some of the
worst I've seen for a wisp.

They must be really struggling to stay afloat and offer decent service.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>
> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause
> its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in
> the judiciary
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
>> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
>> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> th Street •
>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Darin Steffl

We all know 5ghz is unlicensed and there's nothing they can do about it.

Ignore the letter and deploy where you want. Just don't purposefully go on
the same channel they're on when you can scan and pick a clean channel if
available.

The letter is a scare tactic and nothing more.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:39 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Simon Westlake


Not sure what they think they can enforce on unlicensed frequencies..

On 2/28/2018 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just 
fishing.ï¿½ Iï¿½ve got my attorneys looking it over and Iï¿½m going to make 
an inquiry to the Attorney Generalï¿½s office tomorrow.


*Rory Conaway **ï¿½ Triad Wireless ï¿½**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street ï¿½ Phoenix ï¿½ AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

/ï¿½Yesterdays Home Runs donï¿½t win todays games!ï¿½/



--
Simon Westlake | CEO
simon@sonar.software
(702) 447-1247
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.

wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause
its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in
the judiciary

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Airebeam is trying to sue their competitors

2018-02-28 Thread Rory Conaway

I thought I would rename this appropriately.  WISPA needs to get ahead of this 
quickly so it doesn't spread to every law office that thinks they are going to 
make buck intimidating their competitors.  2 WISPS I know in Arizona got these 
today.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Yesterdays Home Runs don't win todays games!"

Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/feedlot-panel-cattle-16-ft-l-x-50-in-h
about 3300 for 8 foot tall without posts
leaves alot of budget for claymores

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> A border wall of that would cost you about $201,960,000 just for reference.
>
> =)
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:39 PM,   wrote:
> > All of the below.  Just don’t want to spend $25K for 1300 feet of fence.
> >
> >
> > From: Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:59 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
> >
> > So are you looking for cheaper, more secure, or best value?
> >
> > No sane person would try to breach concertina wire.
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=concertina+wire=lnms;
> tbm=shop=X=0ahUKEwjYjrv808nZAhVElJQKHX33B
> _AQ_AUICygC=1536=759#spd=3258212414157725779
> >
> > Cheap and easy enough for a grunt to install.
> > https://survivalblog.com/constructing-a-triple-strand-
> concertina-wire-obstacle-by-cpt-blackfox/
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 2/28/2018 1:15:34 PM
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
> >
> >
> > I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and
> > vehicles.
> > Got a quote from a fence company.
> > About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at the
> top
> > and a couple of fancy gates.
> >
> > Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a fence
> made
> > primarily out of hog wire.
> > It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.
> >
> > Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form of
> mini
> > galvanized I beam.  Those are chain link.
> >
> > Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, the
> > difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
> > Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult to
> > climb.
> >
> > Opinions?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

2018-02-28 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ha...good one

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 28, 2018 8:09 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> A border wall of that would cost you about $201,960,000 just for reference.
>
> =)
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:39 PM,   wrote:
> > All of the below.  Just don’t want to spend $25K for 1300 feet of fence.
> >
> >
> > From: Adam Moffett
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:59 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
> >
> > So are you looking for cheaper, more secure, or best value?
> >
> > No sane person would try to breach concertina wire.
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=concertina+wire=lnms;
> tbm=shop=X=0ahUKEwjYjrv808nZAhVElJQKHX33B
> _AQ_AUICygC=1536=759#spd=3258212414157725779
> >
> > Cheap and easy enough for a grunt to install.
> > https://survivalblog.com/constructing-a-triple-strand-
> concertina-wire-obstacle-by-cpt-blackfox/
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 2/28/2018 1:15:34 PM
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
> >
> >
> > I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and
> > vehicles.
> > Got a quote from a fence company.
> > About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at the
> top
> > and a couple of fancy gates.
> >
> > Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a fence
> made
> > primarily out of hog wire.
> > It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.
> >
> > Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form of
> mini
> > galvanized I beam.  Those are chain link.
> >
> > Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, the
> > difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
> > Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult to
> > climb.
> >
> > Opinions?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

2018-02-28 Thread Josh Reynolds

A border wall of that would cost you about $201,960,000 just for reference.

=)

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 5:39 PM,   wrote:
> All of the below.  Just don’t want to spend $25K for 1300 feet of fence.
>
>
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
>
> So are you looking for cheaper, more secure, or best value?
>
> No sane person would try to breach concertina wire.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=concertina+wire=lnms=shop=X=0ahUKEwjYjrv808nZAhVElJQKHX33B_AQ_AUICygC=1536=759#spd=3258212414157725779
>
> Cheap and easy enough for a grunt to install.
> https://survivalblog.com/constructing-a-triple-strand-concertina-wire-obstacle-by-cpt-blackfox/
>
> Just a thought.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/28/2018 1:15:34 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Security fence
>
>
> I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and
> vehicles.
> Got a quote from a fence company.
> About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at the top
> and a couple of fancy gates.
>
> Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a fence made
> primarily out of hog wire.
> It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.
>
> Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form of mini
> galvanized I beam.  Those are chain link.
>
> Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, the
> difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
> Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult to
> climb.
>
> Opinions?

Re: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

2018-02-28 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ha ha...I have to get drunk with you Steve...

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On Feb 28, 2018 7:29 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

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2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

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On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 7:29 PM, Richard Pedersen 
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On Feb 28, 2018 6:30 PM, "Richard Pedersen"  wrote:

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2018-02-28 Thread Richard Pedersen

Done that doesn’t work

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 5:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
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I don’t recall seeing a single email from you.

In any event, there is, embedded in every single email header the instructions 
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Subject: [AFMUG] unsubscribe

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I don’t recall seeing a single email from you.





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> On Feb 28, 2018, at 3:54 PM, Jason Wilson  wrote:
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> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
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> 530-651-1736 Office
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>> On Feb 28, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Richard Pedersen > > wrote:
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2018-02-28 Thread Jason Wilson

It is pretty much like a gang or a cult.  Once you’re in you are in for life.

Just like with Hughes Net Contracts the only way our is to die, but please send 
a copy of the death certificate before we cancel you.

Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
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> On Feb 28, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Richard Pedersen  wrote:
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2018-02-28 Thread Richard Pedersen

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

2018-02-28 Thread chuck

All of the below.  Just don’t want to spend $25K for 1300 feet of fence.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

So are you looking for cheaper, more secure, or best value?

No sane person would try to breach concertina wire.
https://www.google.com/search?q=concertina+wire=lnms=shop=X=0ahUKEwjYjrv808nZAhVElJQKHX33B_AQ_AUICygC=1536=759#spd=3258212414157725779

Cheap and easy enough for a grunt to install.
https://survivalblog.com/constructing-a-triple-strand-concertina-wire-obstacle-by-cpt-blackfox/

Just a thought.

-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 1:15:34 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

  I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and vehicles.
  Got a quote from a fence company.  
  About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at the top 
and a couple of fancy gates.  

  Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a fence made 
primarily out of hog wire.  
  It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.  

  Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form of mini 
galvanized I beam.  Those are chain link.

  Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, the 
difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
  Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult to 
climb.  

  Opinions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

2018-02-28 Thread Adam Moffett


So are you looking for cheaper, more secure, or best value?

No sane person would try to breach concertina wire.
https://www.google.com/search?q=concertina+wire=lnms=shop=X=0ahUKEwjYjrv808nZAhVElJQKHX33B_AQ_AUICygC=1536=759#spd=3258212414157725779

Cheap and easy enough for a grunt to install.
https://survivalblog.com/constructing-a-triple-strand-concertina-wire-obstacle-by-cpt-blackfox/

Just a thought.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 1:15:34 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and 
vehicles.

Got a quote from a fence company.
About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at 
the top and a couple of fancy gates.


Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a fence 
made primarily out of hog wire.

It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.

Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form of 
mini galvanized I beam.  Those are chain link.


Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, the 
difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult to 
climb.


Opinions?

[AFMUG] What is 802.11ax Wi-Fi, and what will it mean for 802.11ac | Network World

2018-02-28 Thread Jaime Solorza

https://www.networkworld.com/article/3258807/lan-wan/what-is-802-11ax-wi-fi-and-what-will-it-mean-for-802-11ac.html
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

2018-02-28 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Make sure to select the wide-temp option on memory and I think SSDs.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Paul, I really like the options available on this one.  Thanks much.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/28/2018 8:10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's
>
> www.logicsupply.com/products/rugged-computers/
>
> They run on 12V-24V DC as well.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> I just bought one off eBay.  I’d check there first if price sensitive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you need a PC specifically?  http://copperhilltech.com/blog
>> /raspberry-pi-proven-to-withstand-extended-temperature-range/
>>
>> Lanner does industrial PCs. http://www.lannerinc.com/other/products-page
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any suggestions for a PC that can live in a box on the side of
>> the road?  It could be 1U, or DIN, or other small form factorI'm not
>> picky.
>>
>> The box would be heated and ventilated, but not air conditioned.  The
>> workload for the PC would be light, I just need it to be small, reliable,
>> and not require air conditioning.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can Google this of course, and have done so.  I'm just wondering if
>> someone has a favorite thing that they know and love already.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Security fence

2018-02-28 Thread Steve Jones

Cattle panels are what we use in the gardens like 6x10 inch rectangular
holes, could probably train an infant to rob the inerior and stick them
through. You can get the heavy duty T posts. A roll of barbed wire isnt
much per foot, but i dont know what the cattle fenc, tposts, fasteners and
barbed wire works out to per foot. It is prettier to look at though than
chain link. Plus you can plant tomatos, beans, and cucumbers

On Feb 28, 2018 12:15 PM,  wrote:

I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and
vehicles.
Got a quote from a fence company.
About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at the
top and a couple of fancy gates.

Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a fence
made primarily out of hog wire.
It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.

Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form of mini
galvanized I beam.  Those are chain link.

Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, the
difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult to
climb.

Opinions?

Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

2018-02-28 Thread Adam Moffett

Paul, I really like the options available on this one.  Thanks much.

-- Original Message --
From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 8:10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

www.logicsupply.com/products/rugged-computers/

They run on 12V-24V DC as well.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Rory Conaway  
wrote:

I just bought one off eBay.  I’d check there first if price sensitive.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:19 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

Why do you need a PC specifically?  
http://copperhilltech.com/blog/raspberry-pi-proven-to-withstand-extended-temperature-range/ 

Lanner does industrial PCs. 
http://www.lannerinc.com/other/products-page 

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Are there any suggestions for a PC that can live in a box on the side 
of the road?  It could be 1U, or DIN, or other small form 
factorI'm not picky.

The box would be heated and ventilated, but not air conditioned.  The 
workload for the PC would be light, I just need it to be small, 
reliable, and not require air conditioning.

I can Google this of course, and have done so.  I'm just wondering if 
someone has a favorite thing that they know and love already.

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Robert Andrews

I am just giving them enough credit to blame someone else...   And 
enough fault that if it's provable that a simple setting change would 
fix it, then they shouldn't get paid...  Which is pretty much all the 
time when it comes to Geek squad...   I wouldn't let them set up a pair 
of speakers...   & why I know Chuck had nothing for liability for them 
not fixing it.

On 02/28/2018 09:16 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Geek squad figure that out with settings? I think you're giving them too 
much credit...

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, Robert > wrote:

I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he
should be paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let
you do a test to see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE. 
  If it turns out that it is fixable via settings in the VPN

software, then the customer should tell the Geek squad that they
should not charge and it's not your problem.  Geek squad should have
figured it out with settings.   Then if it's not that pay for Geek
squad.   You get to learn something for your expense.   But be sure
and specify that this is a one time deal...

Robert

On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They
should be super happy that their provider came up with a
solution for them that fast to work around what is most likely
their faulty VPN setup.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart

>> wrote:

 Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad
then I’d
 suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents
worth… 

 __ __

 *From: *Af  >> on
 behalf of 
>>
 *Reply-To: *
>>
 *Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM

 *To: *
>>
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

 __ __

 We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 

 Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
 reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 

 If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
 compulsion.

 But if this is common problem and we should have known it,
then that
 is a different kettle of kittens. 

 *From:*Donnie McCorkle 

 *Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

 *To:*af@afmug.com 
> 

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

 Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
 router behind the PPPoE connection.

 The limitation would have evaporated when converted to
DHCP.

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

 >] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm 
>>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

 Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting
them to
 open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
 platform access to finally give manager remote access and
monitoring
 to camp cameras. 

 Jaime Solorza

 On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"

 >> wrote:

 I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a
credit from
 quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some
drinks

 On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown

[AFMUG] OT Security fence

2018-02-28 Thread chuck

I need a security fence on some property where I store equipment and vehicles.
Got a quote from a fence company.  
About $20/foot or more.  That was for chain link with barbed wire at the top 
and a couple of fancy gates.  

Camp Williams (Utah Natl Guard) and the nearby NSA facility has a fence made 
primarily out of hog wire.  
It looks to be about 7’ tall and super t bar fence posts.  

Then there are other fences that look like they are using some form of mini 
galvanized I beam.  Those are chain link.

Looking for options.  If someone is hell bent on climbing a fence, the 
difference between chain link and hog wire is not much.
Chain link is much more difficult to cut and slightly more difficult to climb.  

Opinions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Adam Moffett

The skill level can vary, but I know a few people who worked there who I 
do respect.  Their higher level people will have certifications and real 
knowledge and experience.  Low level people may up jumped gamers.


I have some stories I probably shouldn't share publicly.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/28/2018 12:16:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Geek squad figure that out with settings? I think you're giving them 
too much credit...


On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, Robert  wrote:
I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he should 
be paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let you do a 
test to see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE.   If it 
turns out that it is fixable via settings in the VPN software, then 
the customer should tell the Geek squad that they should not charge 
and it's not your problem.  Geek squad should have figured it out with 
settings.   Then if it's not that pay for Geek squad.   You get to 
learn something for your expense.   But be sure and specify that this 
is a one time deal...


Robert

On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be 
super happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that 
fast to work around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.




On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart > wrote:


Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then 
I’d
suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents 
worth… 


__ __

*From: *Af > 
on

behalf of >
*Reply-To: *>
*Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM


*To: *>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

__ __

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 



Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 

If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
compulsion.

But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then 
that

is a different kettle of kittens. 



*From:*Donnie McCorkle 

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE



Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
router behind the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.





*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
*To:* Animal Farm >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE



Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them 
to

open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
platform access to finally give manager remote access and 
monitoring

to camp cameras. 

Jaime Solorza



On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >> wrote:


I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit 
from
quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some 
drinks


On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his 
VPN

work. 

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports 
on

the Smart RG.  No good.



He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of
service and they pointed their finger at us. 



So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to
DHCP and it started working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.



He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the
geek squad. 



Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why 
it

started working or what the problem was. 







Spam

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Mathew Howard

I would agree, if you didn't specifically tell him to go to Geek Squad, you
have no responsibility. Even if you did, it's questionable, because from
the sounds of it, it was most likely his stupidly configured VPN that was
the problem, and not really a problem with the connection. The fact that
changing something on the connection made it work doesn't actually mean
that there was something wrong with the connection the way it was before...
if you didn't have the option of changing to DHCP, the only way to make it
work would've likely been to change his VPN configuration.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d suggest
> you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth…
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of 
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM
>
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
>
> We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.
>
>
>
> Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him
> for his geek squad expenses.
>
> If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.
>
> But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a
> different kettle of kittens.
>
>
>
> *From:* Donnie McCorkle
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
>
> Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router
> behind the PPPoE connection.
>
> The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
>
> Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open
> ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access
> to finally give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att,
> Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.
>
> We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart
> RG.  No good.
>
>
>
> He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they
> pointed their finger at us.
>
>
>
> So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it
> started working.
>
> We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.
>
>
>
> He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.
>
>
>
> Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working
> or what the problem was.
>
> --
>
>
> Spam
> 
> Phish/Fraud
> 
> Not spam
> 
> Forget previous vote
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Jason McKemie

Geek squad figure that out with settings? I think you're giving them too
much credit...

On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, Robert  wrote:

> I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he should be
> paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let you do a test to
> see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE.   If it turns out that
> it is fixable via settings in the VPN software, then the customer should
> tell the Geek squad that they should not charge and it's not your problem.
> Geek squad should have figured it out with settings.   Then if it's not
> that pay for Geek squad.   You get to learn something for your expense.
>  But be sure and specify that this is a one time deal...
>
> Robert
>
> On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
>> Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.
>>
>> or
>>
>> Was it never working.
>>
>> If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be
>> super happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that fast
>> to work around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart > > wrote:
>>
>> Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d
>> suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth…
>> 
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From: *Af > on
>> behalf of >
>> *Reply-To: *>
>> *Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM
>>
>>
>> *To: *>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
>> reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 
>>
>> If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
>> compulsion.
>>
>> But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that
>> is a different kettle of kittens. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:*Donnie McCorkle 
>>
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com  
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>>
>> 
>>
>> Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
>> router behind the PPPoE connection.
>>
>> The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm >
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to
>> open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
>> platform access to finally give manager remote access and monitoring
>> to camp cameras. 
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > > wrote:
>>
>> I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from
>> quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>> Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN
>> work. 
>>
>> We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on
>> the Smart RG.  No good.
>>
>> 
>>
>> He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of
>> service and they pointed their finger at us. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to
>> DHCP and it started working.
>>
>> We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.
>>
>> 
>>
>> He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the
>> geek squad. 
>>
>> 
>>
>> Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it
>> started working or what the problem was. 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> Spam> 09Vg2I6gq=12edce15c58f=atcjet-net=20180227>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread chuck

Great idea.  Thanks.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he should be
paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let you do a test
to see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE.   If it turns out
that it is fixable via settings in the VPN software, then the customer
should tell the Geek squad that they should not charge and it's not your
problem.  Geek squad should have figured it out with settings.   Then if
it's not that pay for Geek squad.   You get to learn something for your
expense.   But be sure and specify that this is a one time deal...

Robert

On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be super 
happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that fast to 
work around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart > wrote:

Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d
suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth… 

__ __

*From: *Af > on
behalf of >
*Reply-To: *>
*Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM

*To: *>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

__ __

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 

Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 

If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
compulsion.

But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that
is a different kettle of kittens. 

*From:*Donnie McCorkle 

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
router behind the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
*To:* Animal Farm >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to
open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
platform access to finally give manager remote access and monitoring
to camp cameras. 

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from
quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN
work. 

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on
the Smart RG.  No good.

He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of
service and they pointed their finger at us. 

So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to
DHCP and it started working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.

He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the
geek squad. 

Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it
started working or what the problem was. 

Spam

Phish/Fraud
Not

spam
Forget previous

vote

--

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Robert

I would let the customer know that in order to determine if he should be 
paid by you for the Geek service call that he needs to let you do a test 
to see if it is the MTU settings in the VPN and PPOE.   If it turns out 
that it is fixable via settings in the VPN software, then the customer 
should tell the Geek squad that they should not charge and it's not your 
problem.  Geek squad should have figured it out with settings.   Then if 
it's not that pay for Geek squad.   You get to learn something for your 
expense.   But be sure and specify that this is a one time deal...


Robert

On 2/28/18 8:42 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be 
super happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that 
fast to work around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.




On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart > wrote:


Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d
suggest you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth… 

__ __

*From: *Af > on
behalf of >
*Reply-To: *>
*Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM


*To: *>
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

__ __

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now. 



Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to
reimburse him for his geek squad expenses. 

If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much
compulsion.

But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that
is a different kettle of kittens. 



*From:*Donnie McCorkle 

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE



Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the
router behind the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.





*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
*To:* Animal Farm >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE



Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to
open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor
platform access to finally give manager remote access and monitoring
to camp cameras. 

Jaime Solorza



On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from
quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN
work. 

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on
the Smart RG.  No good.



He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of
service and they pointed their finger at us. 



So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to
DHCP and it started working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.



He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the
geek squad. 



Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it
started working or what the problem was. 





Spam

Phish/Fraud
Not

spam
Forget previous

vote




--

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread chuck

DHCPatriot

Not sure about the other questions.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Off topic, but what are you using for DHCP?  Are you running a BNG that 
authenticates the circuit?  i.e SVLAN/CVLAN or Option 82 circuit data?  

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:33 AM,  wrote:

  I think he did call and I think some of his initial contact may have been 
with ServerPlus.  I don’t recall the total sequence of events.  It was 
escalated.  
  Our folks checked thing out and all appeared well for everything but the VPN. 

  We did err in not immediately converting him to DHCP as we are trying to 
complete that company wide.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:17 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

  Did he ever call you to report/resolve the issue? If you blew him off, maybe 
he has an issue. If he never called you, but went straight to Geek Squad, then 
he kind of took it on himself.

bp

On 2/28/2018 8:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.  

Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him 
for his geek squad expenses.  
If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.
But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a 
different kettle of kittens.  

From: Donnie McCorkle 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router 
behind the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open 
ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access to 
finally give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.  

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, 
att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

  On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.  

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart 
RG.  No good.

He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they 
pointed their finger at us.  

So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it 
started working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.

He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.  

Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started 
working or what the problem was.  

Spam
Phish/Fraud
Not spam
Forget previous vote

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread chuck

I have not got that answer yet.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working. 

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be super 
happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that fast to work 
around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.  

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d suggest 
you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth… 

  From: Af  on behalf of 
  Reply-To: 
  Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM

  To: 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

  We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.  

  Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him for 
his geek squad expenses.  

  If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.

  But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a 
different kettle of kittens.  

  From: Donnie McCorkle 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

  Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router behind 
the PPPoE connection.

  The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

  Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open 
ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access to 
finally give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.  

  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att, 
Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.  

  We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart 
RG.  No good.

  He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they 
pointed their finger at us.  

  So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it 
started working.

  We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.

  He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.  

  Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started 
working or what the problem was.  

--

  Spam
  Phish/Fraud
  Not spam
  Forget previous vote

-- 

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PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

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Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Carl Peterson

Off topic, but what are you using for DHCP?  Are you running a BNG that
authenticates the circuit?  i.e SVLAN/CVLAN or Option 82 circuit data?



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:33 AM,  wrote:

> I think he did call and I think some of his initial contact may have been
> with ServerPlus.  I don’t recall the total sequence of events.  It was
> escalated.
> Our folks checked thing out and all appeared well for everything but the
> VPN.
> We did err in not immediately converting him to DHCP as we are trying to
> complete that company wide.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
> Did he ever call you to report/resolve the issue? If you blew him off,
> maybe he has an issue. If he never called you, but went straight to Geek
> Squad, then he kind of took it on himself.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/28/2018 8:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.
>
> Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him
> for his geek squad expenses.
> If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.
> But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a
> different kettle of kittens.
>
> *From:* Donnie McCorkle
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
> Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router
> behind the PPPoE connection.
>
> The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
>
> Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open
> ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access
> to finally give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att,
> Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.
>
> We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart
> RG.  No good.
>
>
>
> He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they
> pointed their finger at us.
>
>
>
> So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it
> started working.
>
> We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.
>
>
>
> He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.
>
>
>
> Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working
> or what the problem was.
>
> --
>
>
> Spam
> 
> Phish/Fraud
> 
> Not spam
> 
> Forget previous vote
> 
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Carl Peterson

Was it working, then something changed and it stopped working.

or

Was it never working.

If the latter I'd say not a chance of reimbursement.  They should be super
happy that their provider came up with a solution for them that fast to
work around what is most likely their faulty VPN setup.



On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d suggest
> you are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth…
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of 
> *Reply-To: *
> *Date: *Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM
>
> *To: *
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
>
> We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.
>
>
>
> Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him
> for his geek squad expenses.
>
> If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.
>
> But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a
> different kettle of kittens.
>
>
>
> *From:* Donnie McCorkle
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
>
> Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router
> behind the PPPoE connection.
>
> The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE
>
>
>
> Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open
> ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access
> to finally give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att,
> Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks
>
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.
>
> We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart
> RG.  No good.
>
>
>
> He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they
> pointed their finger at us.
>
>
>
> So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it
> started working.
>
> We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.
>
>
>
> He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.
>
>
>
> Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working
> or what the problem was.
>
> --
>
>
> Spam
> 
> Phish/Fraud
> 
> Not spam
> 
> Forget previous vote
> 
>



-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread chuck

I think he did call and I think some of his initial contact may have been with 
ServerPlus.  I don’t recall the total sequence of events.  It was escalated.  
Our folks checked thing out and all appeared well for everything but the VPN.  
We did err in not immediately converting him to DHCP as we are trying to 
complete that company wide.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 9:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Did he ever call you to report/resolve the issue? If you blew him off, maybe he 
has an issue. If he never called you, but went straight to Geek Squad, then he 
kind of took it on himself.

bp

On 2/28/2018 8:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.  

  Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him for 
his geek squad expenses.  
  If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.
  But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a 
different kettle of kittens.  

  From: Donnie McCorkle 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

  Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router behind 
the PPPoE connection.

  The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
  To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

  Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open 
ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access to 
finally give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.  

  Jaime Solorza

  On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att, 
Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.  

  We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart 
RG.  No good.

  He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they 
pointed their finger at us.  

  So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it 
started working.

  We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.

  He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.  

  Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started 
working or what the problem was.  

--

  Spam
  Phish/Fraud
  Not spam
  Forget previous vote

Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?

2018-02-28 Thread David Thake

I guess that is probably true…


> On 28 Feb 2018, at 17:05,   wrote:
> 
> Where does the service originate?
> If the SIP originates in Malta, are you really selling something into the US 
> or are you allowing global customers to come to you and use your server?
> 
> -Original Message- From: David Thake
> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:40 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?
> 
> 
> Thank you for your reply.
> 
> Wouldn’t that apply if you were the one selling to the end user? Likewise, if 
> I export product to the US, it would be the importer who would have to have 
> trading permits, import licences etc.
> 
> D
> 
>> On 28 Feb 2018, at 16:34, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.commlawgroup.com
>> For an authoritative answer you'll need a lawyer.  Which I am not.
>> 
>> People selling telephone service in the US file an FCC Form 499-A.  The 
>> instructions for form 499-A are linked below and they'll mention other 
>> taxation and regulatory fees and forms that must be dealt with such as USF, 
>> TRS, NANPA, LNPA, and ITSP fees.
>> https://usac.org/_res/documents/cont/pdf/forms/2016/2016-FCC-Form-499A-Form-Instructions.pdf
>> 
>> I have no idea whether any or all of this applies to what you are doing, but 
>> if you are selling a telephone service within the US, I find it likely that 
>> Uncle Sam will want a piece of your pie.
>> -Adam
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "David Thake" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/28/2018 3:58:29 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC license?
>> 
>>> Hi Guys,
>>> 
>>> Do you know if we need any special FCC permit to sell SIP services to a US 
>>> based ISP?
>>> 
>>> We are based in Malta in the EU.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David Thake
>>> www.vanilla.net.mt
>>> www.cempilli.com
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Paul Stewart

Unless you specifically recommended he contact Geek Squad then I’d suggest you 
are not morally responsible…. Just my two cents worth… 

From: Af  on behalf of 
Reply-To: 
Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.  

Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him for 
his geek squad expenses.  

If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.

But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a 
different kettle of kittens.  

From: Donnie McCorkle 

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router behind 
the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open ports 
on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access to finally 
give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.  

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att, 
Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.  

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart RG.  No 
good.

He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they pointed 
their finger at us.  

So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it started 
working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.

He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.  

Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working or 
what the problem was.  

Spam
Phish/Fraud
Not spam
Forget previous vote

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Bill Prince

Did he ever call you to report/resolve the issue? If you blew him off, 
maybe he has an issue. If he never called you, but went straight to Geek 
Squad, then he kind of took it on himself.



bp


On 2/28/2018 8:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.
Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse 
him for his geek squad expenses.

If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.
But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that 
is a different kettle of kittens.

*From:* Donnie McCorkle
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router 
behind the PPPoE connection.


The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to 
open ports on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor 
platform access to finally give manager remote access and monitoring 
to camp cameras.


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from
quest, att, Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN
work.

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on
the Smart RG.  No good.

He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service
and they pointed their finger at us.

So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP
and it started working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.

He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek
squad.

Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it
started working or what the problem was.




Spam 

Phish/Fraud 

Not spam 

Forget previous vote

Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?

2018-02-28 Thread chuck


Where does the service originate?
If the SIP originates in Malta, are you really selling something into the US 
or are you allowing global customers to come to you and use your server?


-Original Message- 
From: David Thake

Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?


Thank you for your reply.

Wouldn’t that apply if you were the one selling to the end user? Likewise, 
if I export product to the US, it would be the importer who would have to 
have trading permits, import licences etc.


D


On 28 Feb 2018, at 16:34, Adam Moffett  wrote:

http://www.commlawgroup.com
For an authoritative answer you'll need a lawyer.  Which I am not.

People selling telephone service in the US file an FCC Form 499-A.  The 
instructions for form 499-A are linked below and they'll mention other 
taxation and regulatory fees and forms that must be dealt with such as 
USF, TRS, NANPA, LNPA, and ITSP fees.

https://usac.org/_res/documents/cont/pdf/forms/2016/2016-FCC-Form-499A-Form-Instructions.pdf

I have no idea whether any or all of this applies to what you are doing, 
but if you are selling a telephone service within the US, I find it likely 
that Uncle Sam will want a piece of your pie.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "David Thake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 3:58:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC license?


Hi Guys,

Do you know if we need any special FCC permit to sell SIP services to a 
US based ISP?


We are based in Malta in the EU.

Thanks


David Thake
www.vanilla.net.mt
www.cempilli.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread chuck

We are not sure as we don’t want to experiment on him now.  

Just trying to determine if we feel we have a moral duty to reimburse him for 
his geek squad expenses.  
If his VPN is not robust enough for PPPOE, I don’t feel much compulsion.
But if this is common problem and we should have known it, then that is a 
different kettle of kittens.  

From: Donnie McCorkle 
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router behind 
the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

 

Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open ports 
on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access to finally 
give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.  

Jaime Solorza

 

On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att, 
Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

  On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.  

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart RG.  
No good.

 

He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they 
pointed their finger at us.  

 

So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it 
started working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.

 

He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.  

 

Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working 
or what the problem was.  





Spam
Phish/Fraud
Not spam
Forget previous vote

Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?

2018-02-28 Thread Adam Moffett

I couldn't say.

-- Original Message --
From: "David Thake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 10:40:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?

Thank you for your reply.

Wouldn’t that apply if you were the one selling to the end user? 
Likewise, if I export product to the US, it would be the importer who 
would have to have trading permits, import licences etc.

D

On 28 Feb 2018, at 16:34, Adam Moffett  wrote:

http://www.commlawgroup.com
For an authoritative answer you'll need a lawyer.  Which I am not.

People selling telephone service in the US file an FCC Form 499-A.  
The instructions for form 499-A are linked below and they'll mention 
other taxation and regulatory fees and forms that must be dealt with 
such as USF, TRS, NANPA, LNPA, and ITSP fees.

https://usac.org/_res/documents/cont/pdf/forms/2016/2016-FCC-Form-499A-Form-Instructions.pdf

I have no idea whether any or all of this applies to what you are 
doing, but if you are selling a telephone service within the US, I 
find it likely that Uncle Sam will want a piece of your pie.

-Adam

-- Original Message --
From: "David Thake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 3:58:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC license?

Hi Guys,

Do you know if we need any special FCC permit to sell SIP services to 
a US based ISP?

We are based in Malta in the EU.

Thanks

David Thake
www.vanilla.net.mt
www.cempilli.com

Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?

2018-02-28 Thread David Thake


Thank you for your reply.

Wouldn’t that apply if you were the one selling to the end user? Likewise, if I 
export product to the US, it would be the importer who would have to have 
trading permits, import licences etc.

D

> On 28 Feb 2018, at 16:34, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> http://www.commlawgroup.com
> For an authoritative answer you'll need a lawyer.  Which I am not.
> 
> People selling telephone service in the US file an FCC Form 499-A.  The 
> instructions for form 499-A are linked below and they'll mention other 
> taxation and regulatory fees and forms that must be dealt with such as USF, 
> TRS, NANPA, LNPA, and ITSP fees.
> https://usac.org/_res/documents/cont/pdf/forms/2016/2016-FCC-Form-499A-Form-Instructions.pdf
> 
> I have no idea whether any or all of this applies to what you are doing, but 
> if you are selling a telephone service within the US, I find it likely that 
> Uncle Sam will want a piece of your pie.
> -Adam
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "David Thake" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/28/2018 3:58:29 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC license?
> 
>> Hi Guys,
>> 
>> Do you know if we need any special FCC permit to sell SIP services to a US 
>> based ISP?
>> 
>> We are based in Malta in the EU.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> David Thake
>> www.vanilla.net.mt
>> www.cempilli.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?

2018-02-28 Thread Adam Moffett


http://www.commlawgroup.com
For an authoritative answer you'll need a lawyer.  Which I am not.

People selling telephone service in the US file an FCC Form 499-A.  The 
instructions for form 499-A are linked below and they'll mention other 
taxation and regulatory fees and forms that must be dealt with such as 
USF, TRS, NANPA, LNPA, and ITSP fees.

https://usac.org/_res/documents/cont/pdf/forms/2016/2016-FCC-Form-499A-Form-Instructions.pdf

I have no idea whether any or all of this applies to what you are doing, 
but if you are selling a telephone service within the US, I find it 
likely that Uncle Sam will want a piece of your pie.

-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "David Thake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/28/2018 3:58:29 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] FCC license?


Hi Guys,

Do you know if we need any special FCC permit to sell SIP services to a 
US based ISP?


We are based in Malta in the EU.

Thanks


David Thake
www.vanilla.net.mt
www.cempilli.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

2018-02-28 Thread Donnie McCorkle

Was his MTU a factor?  He would manually have to set it on the router behind 
the PPPoE connection.

The limitation would have evaporated when converted to DHCP.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 8:44 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE



Yeah Chuck, we went back and forth with Time Warner getting them to open ports 
on router for cameras...upgraded NVR and used vendor platform access to finally 
give manager remote access and monitoring to camp cameras.

Jaime Solorza



On Feb 27, 2018 7:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  > wrote:

I think I would tell him to did off. Try getting a credit from quest, att, 
Verizon, etc. Of course I have had some drinks

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018, 4:06 PM Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.

We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart RG.  No 
good.



He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they pointed 
their finger at us.



So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it started 
working.

We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.



He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.



Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working or 
what the problem was.

  _


Spam 

Phish/Fraud 

Not spam 

Forget previous vote

Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

2018-02-28 Thread Bill Prince


A lot.

bp


On 2/27/2018 6:39 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I guess I don't need a PC specifically.
I wonder how many Pi's I could stick on a 1U shelf.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC license?

2018-02-28 Thread Lewis Bergman

No permit but there are taxes, reporting, and filling you have to do.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018, 12:58 AM David Thake  wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Do you know if we need any special FCC permit to sell SIP services to a US
> based ISP?
>
> We are based in Malta in the EU.
>
> Thanks
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> David Thake
> www.vanilla.net.mt
> www.cempilli.com

Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

2018-02-28 Thread can...@believewireless.net

www.logicsupply.com/products/rugged-computers/

They run on 12V-24V DC as well.


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I just bought one off eBay.  I’d check there first if price sensitive.
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> Rory
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's
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> Why do you need a PC specifically?  http://copperhilltech.com/
> blog/raspberry-pi-proven-to-withstand-extended-temperature-range/
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> Lanner does industrial PCs. http://www.lannerinc.com/other/products-page
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> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
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> Are there any suggestions for a PC that can live in a box on the side of
> the road?  It could be 1U, or DIN, or other small form factorI'm not
> picky.
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> The box would be heated and ventilated, but not air conditioned.  The
> workload for the PC would be light, I just need it to be small, reliable,
> and not require air conditioning.
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> I can Google this of course, and have done so.  I'm just wondering if
> someone has a favorite thing that they know and love already.
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Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 Status

2018-02-28 Thread Paul Stewart

Yeah interesting ... been a while since I've done that myself ... surprised on 
a few of them (Amazon for example) not working as they typically have 

We need more ISP's to get on the IPv6 bandwagon though .. 

Paul


On 2018-02-27, 6:43 PM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson" 
 wrote:

Just for the hell of it I turned off IPv4 and just left IPv6 running on my 
public interface on my computer.

It's interesting to see what actually loads.

My Exchange client still works, but office265.com doesn't.

The Microsoft store works though, so I guess there are priorities, lol!

Facebook works, most google stuff works.

I'm using google IPv6 DNS though, so maybe they are discriminating...

Most of my bank URLs do not work.

Ebay doesn't work either.

Amazon no worky.

Youtube works, but interestingly a lot of their inline ads don't, so maybe 
that's a bonus.

My own website doesn't work.

Sonar works, as does my front page of my billing portal since I enabled 
IPv6 myself on it.
DigitalOcean works.

My response and routing for things that do work seem a lot better.

Blizzard launcher doesn't connect at all, so online gaming is out for that 
set of games anyways.

Speedtest.net doesn't work.

Most of these are saying ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED or something similar with 
DNS like DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN

[AFMUG] FCC license?

2018-02-28 Thread David Thake

Hi Guys,

Do you know if we need any special FCC permit to sell SIP services to a US 
based ISP?

We are based in Malta in the EU.

Thanks


David Thake
www.vanilla.net.mt
www.cempilli.com

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