Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Sam Kirsch]

Unfortunately I don't know all the specifics on that part Josh offhand, 
my part in this was troubleshooting why the basement didn't have cell 
service on Verizon and how to get them service, I just told the field 
team I needed to get the GPS signal from the roof.  I believe they used 
a connector to switch to a different cable type that allowed them to run 
it to the roof without too much attenuation (unless that plan fell 
through and they ended up doing something entirely different and never 
updated me - which is also very possible).  But the external antenna 
that comes with the SCS wouldn't make it from where we had to install 
the unit to any exterior wall or the roof 6 floors up.



-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/9/2016 1:33:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"


How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was 
dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to 
the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.


As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and 
this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688


sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713





-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  
wrote:


Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read 
the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on 
Android). We had to install one of these boosters and were 
troubleshooting why the damn thing wasn't working when I noticed 
that my phone GPS receiver was working in rooms where the windows 
were open and not working in rooms where the windows were closed. 
Building management didn't even know they'd purchased the windows 
with RF film.



 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net





-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use 
the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they 
start transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.


Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to 
reset the power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these 
don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an 
excessively long time to get a lock.


On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:
Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very 
accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... My 
oneplus one will pick up 6 satellites while standing in a central 
hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be accurate enough to get a 
location within 75'.


All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or 
something like that.


I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks 
to tiny channel size and very basic modulation.


 On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" 
 wrote:
 Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also 
fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 
mile of where the customer address is.


Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.

bp 
On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the 
user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that 
prevents a VPN?

�
Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A 
address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it can't be a class A 
address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind 
Cisco ASA firewall (which I don't manage).

�
I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means 

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Josh Luthman]

Comcast gets slammed over the modem rental fee.  Do a web search (assuming
you won't use Google =) for it, it's so common even your bad search engines
will come up with it.  If you look at any DSL/phone (land/cell)/cable bill
the charges are only 3/4 of the actual bill.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
> conversation once.
>
> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
> recovery fee". LOL
>
> Travis
>
>

[AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Travis Johnson]

I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new 
house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call 
and talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of 
$1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could 
say was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network 
running and stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the 
FCC into the conversation once.


Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised 
price and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't 
just advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their 
"Internet recovery fee". LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Josh Luthman]

USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> USF maybe?
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
> Fees
> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
> conversation once.
>
> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
> recovery fee". LOL
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Josh Luthman]

IMO it's a "we need more money" fee


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Franchisee tax???
> Something is getting passed along...
> 477 prep fee?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
> USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> USF maybe?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
>> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
>> Fees
>> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
>> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
>> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
>> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
>> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
>> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
>> conversation once.
>>
>> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
>> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
>> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
>> recovery fee". LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Super WISP]

Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they added 
these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and Broadcast fee 
of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.

Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
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630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

Heh, that sounds like a good idea...

$25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge



From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

IMO it's a "we need more money" fee


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Franchisee tax???
Something is getting passed along...
477 prep fee?

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
USF maybe?

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 
2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 
Centurylink Bogus Fees
I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new house. 
They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and talk to the 
rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of $1.99/month. When I 
asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say was "everyone gets 
charged that... it's how we keep the network running and stuff". I think she 
even tried to throw something about the FCC into the conversation once.

Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price and 
nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just advertise 
$1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet recovery fee". 
LOL

Travis





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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Jaime Solorza]

We are currently fight TWC... had 69.99 plan and now want 99.00 for same
service...
On Feb 9, 2016 12:26 PM, "Super WISP"  wrote:

> Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they
> added these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and
> Broadcast fee of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.
>
>
>
> *Mark Chamerlik*
>
> Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
>
> 630-818-1004 OFFICE
>
> 815-822-4490 CELL
>
> ma...@wavonline.com
>
> www.wavonline.com
>
>
>
> For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
>
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> *NEW*: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
>
>
> Heh, that sounds like a good idea...
>
>
>
> $25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
>
>
> IMO it's a "we need more money" fee
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Franchisee tax???
>
> Something is getting passed along...
>
> 477 prep fee?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
>
>
> USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> USF maybe?
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
> Fees
>
> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
> conversation once.
>
> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
> recovery fee". LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Chuck McCown]

USF maybe?

-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:40 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees 

I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new 
house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call 
and talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of 
$1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could 
say was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network 
running and stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the 
FCC into the conversation once.


Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised 
price and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't 
just advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their 
"Internet recovery fee". LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

They gave me a ~35' dinky cable that extends the GPS dongle.  No idea what
connector it is, it simply pops together.  I'd like to have ~100' of some
kind of cable to reach the outside.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:

> Unfortunately I don't know all the specifics on that part Josh offhand, my
> part in this was troubleshooting why the basement didn't have cell service
> on Verizon and how to get them service, I just told the field team I needed
> to get the GPS signal from the roof.  I believe they used a connector to
> switch to a different cable type that allowed them to run it to the roof
> without too much attenuation (unless that plan fell through and they ended
> up doing something entirely different and never updated me - which is also
> very possible).  But the external antenna that comes with the SCS wouldn't
> make it from where we had to install the unit to any exterior wall or the
> roof 6 floors up.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
> <1.866.852.4688>*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/9/2016 1:33:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>
>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
>> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
>> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>
>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this
>> is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>>
>> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>> cell booster or gps booster?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the
>>> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to
>>> install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing
>>> wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in
>>> rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
>>> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
>>> the windows with RF film.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>> www.plexicomm.net *
>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
>>>
>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>
>>>
>>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use the
>>> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
>>> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>>>
>>> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to reset
>>> the power.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
>>> seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
>>> to get a lock.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < 
>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately,
 from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up
 6 satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
 Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.

 All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
 something like that.

 I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
 channel size and very basic modulation.
  On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 

Re: [AFMUG] 50% repair trade

[Mathew Howard]

wirelessunits.com -  looks like they still do it.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:56 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> PDMnet used to do this, not sure if it is still a thing though...
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:54 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Didnt one of the repair outfits used to have some deal where you sent in
>> your repair gear, they repaired what was repairable and kept half as the
>> fee, or something of that nature? Or was that the outfit that got nailed
>> for poking fsk subscribers?
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Glen Waldrop]

Heh, that sounds like a good idea...

$25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

IMO it's a "we need more money" fee


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Franchisee tax???
  Something is getting passed along...
  477 prep fee?

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

  USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

USF maybe?

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 
2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees 

I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new 
house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and talk 
to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of $1.99/month. When 
I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say was "everyone gets 
charged that... it's how we keep the network running and stuff". I think she 
even tried to throw something about the FCC into the conversation once.

Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price 
and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just 
advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet 
recovery fee". LOL

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Josh Luthman]

$2 or maybe $5 should be OK.

$10 will piss people off
https://www.google.com/search?num=50=off=2=comcast+modem+rental+fee=1=X=0ahUKEwiQ5smztuvKAhWhmIMKHfGMDmsQvwUIGigA=1600=775


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, but it probably works well, because most people won't bother
> complaining about fees as long as they're only a couple bucks...
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Super WISP 
> wrote:
>
>> Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they
>> added these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and
>> Broadcast fee of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mark Chamerlik*
>>
>> Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
>>
>> 630-818-1004 OFFICE
>>
>> 815-822-4490 CELL
>>
>> ma...@wavonline.com
>>
>> www.wavonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *NEW*: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
>> 
>>
>> [image: Description: twitter-logo-100x100.png]
>>  [image: Description:
>> fb-logo-100x100.png]
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, that sounds like a good idea...
>>
>>
>>
>> $25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> IMO it's a "we need more money" fee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Franchisee tax???
>>
>> Something is getting passed along...
>>
>> 477 prep fee?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95
>> (6.64%).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> USF maybe?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
>> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
>> Fees
>>
>> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
>> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
>> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
>> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
>> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
>> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
>> conversation once.
>>
>> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
>> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
>> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
>> recovery fee". LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify 
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>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? Nofood pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

Cool
On Feb 9, 2016 10:28 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Used to study it :)
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > Look up pankration
> >
> > On Feb 9, 2016 10:18 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Watched a short youtube documentary this morning on a very old Indian
> >> martial art that went virtually extinct after England took over. It's
> >> possible that a monk who studied this art and went on a learning
> >> journey ended up in China, giving birth to Kung Fu. Pretty good stuff.
> >> Hopefully I can find the link.
> >>
> >> Ah, here it is:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI84oM_bJeg
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Jaime Solorza
> >>  wrote:
> >> > best thing kids can learn for self defense is wrestling and boxing
> then
> >> > make
> >> > move to MMA.
> >> > But knowing how to use leverage is pricelessif can find reputable
> >> > judo
> >> > or juijitsu dojo that is goodI don't like most karate and kung fu
> >> > schools due to commercialization and contracts...
> >> > too quick to hand out belts and too many lame instructors.MMA
> >> > schools
> >> > are starting to get popularmy grandson enrolled in one for 6
> >> > monthshe did learn good boxing routines and a few take downs but
> it
> >> > was
> >> > expensive.
> >> > I actually started shadow boxing three times a week.trying to get
> >> > soreness out of shoulder from fall in Amarillo couple weeks ago.
> Damn
> >> > I
> >> > am slow...my shadow beats me all the time.
> >> >
> >> > Jaime Solorza
> >> > Wireless Systems Architect
> >> > 915-861-1390
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Most of the actual school/street/bar fights I was in ended up on the
> >> >> ground in about 500 milliseconds.  Only one ended with us duking it
> out
> >> >> with
> >> >> the other kid eventually running away.
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Jaime Solorza
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:13 AM
> >> >> To: Animal Farm
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been
> Spotted?
> >> >> Nofood pictures
> >> >>
> >> >> actually you shouldn't do that.bob or weave under itmove in
> >> >> forward keeping guard high ...thats boxing.street fight.shoot
> >> >> under
> >> >> it and take down
> >> >>
> >> >> Jaime Solorza
> >> >> Wireless Systems Architect
> >> >> 915-861-1390
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Circle to the right...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> 
> >>  no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
> >>  giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her
> >>  left hook
> >> 
> >>  Jaime Solorza
> >>  Wireless Systems Architect
> >>  915-861-1390
> >> 
> >>  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
> >> >
> >> > On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team
> >> >> event
> >> >> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out
> of
> >> >> a paper
> >> >> bag any more
> >> >>
> >> >> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> busted
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>> Chuck
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> 
> >>  gravitational waves from your mom will never be spotted because
> >>  it's
> >>  well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza
> >>   wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

they sometimes just dont work, I hate dealing with them

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
> seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
> to get a lock.
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, from
>> inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6
>> satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
>> Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>>
>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
>> something like that.
>>
>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
>> channel size and very basic modulation.
>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if the
>>> GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer
>>> address is.
>>>
>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the user
>>> guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
>>> �
>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.�
>>> WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A address?�
>>> Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall
>>> (which I don't manage).
>>> �
>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means something
>>> is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
>>>
>>>
>>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] sketchup

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting structure
on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth export, and if you
set the coordinates the structure is on you eath map, pretty nifty stuff.
If you have a guy with the time to build out all your locations, it would
be pretty slick for planning. One silo with mounts took me over 4 hours and
its not even to scale, so may not be a cost effective thing to do unless
there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] New to me

[Dennis Burgess]

I used to have one of these. Basically it’s a DECT coreless phone but the base 
station has a Bluetooth receiver in it.  I.e. you put your phone down and plug 
it in, and it Bluetooth to the base station, now you have a DECT handset that 
rings when your cell phone rings, and when you dial it dials just like if it 
was your cell phone, all though the Bluetooth.. Works quite well actually.

Another use for these is in a small office environment, where you can get 
Bluetooth SIP phone, then you put a cordless handset next to it, easier and 
cheaper ways now, but that’s what you had do sometimes!


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 4:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] New to me

Someone asked if they can have their DECT phone answer their cellphone calls 
via bluetooth?
I had deer in light look
I answered if both have same type of Bluetooh technology I think it 
shouldTried explaining BR/EDR and LE then they got the deer in light look.

Anyone done this?
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Joe Novak]

No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Same here. Monday nights are highest.
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a
> very busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest
> traffic levels all week
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time
> this evening.
>
> On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
>
> We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game
> we peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights.
>
>
>
> Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then
> normal usage.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
> Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
> But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
> a pickup after the game ended.
>
>
>
> I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl
> on their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last
> resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to
> learn HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Chuck Hogg]

busted

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because it's
> well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Sam Kirsch]

Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the 
satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android).  We 
had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the 
damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was 
working in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms 
where the windows were closed.  Building management didn't even know 
they'd purchased the windows with RF film.



-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the 
1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start 
transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.


Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset 
the power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these 
don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively 
long time to get a lock.


On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:
Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, 
from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will 
pick up 6 satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from 
any window. Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.


All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or 
something like that.


I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to 
tiny channel size and very basic modulation.


On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" 
 wrote:
Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if 
the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where 
the customer address is.


Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.

bp 
On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the 
user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that 
prevents a VPN?

�
Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.� 
WTF?� Did they maybe mean it can't be a class A address?� 
Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA 
firewall (which I don't manage).

�
I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means 
something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?

Re: [AFMUG] sketchup

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

example in some random place in colorado

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting structure
> on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth export, and if you
> set the coordinates the structure is on you eath map, pretty nifty stuff.
> If you have a guy with the time to build out all your locations, it would
> be pretty slick for planning. One silo with mounts took me over 4 hours and
> its not even to scale, so may not be a cost effective thing to do unless
> there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Josh Reynolds]

I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event  so
> I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper bag
> any more
> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
>> busted
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because it's
>>> well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>

 http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Adam Moffett]

It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the 
1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start 
transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.


Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset 
the power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these 
don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively 
long time to get a lock.


On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very
accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... My
oneplus one will pick up 6 satellites while standing in a central
hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be accurate enough to get a
location within 75'.

All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
something like that.

I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to
tiny channel size and very basic modulation.

On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also
fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4
mile of where the customer address is.

Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.

bp


On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From
the user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything
that prevents a VPN?
�
Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A
address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it _can't_ be a class
A address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally,
behind Cisco ASA firewall (which I don't manage).
�
I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that
means something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event  so I
can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper bag
any more
On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> busted
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because it's
>> well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

Yes!  I use this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.chartcross.gpstestplus=en


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> GPS Status app is pretty cool for testing GPS coverage indoors
> On Feb 8, 2016 7:51 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, from
>> inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6
>> satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
>> Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>>
>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
>> something like that.
>>
>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
>> channel size and very basic modulation.
>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if the
>>> GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer
>>> address is.
>>>
>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the user
>>> guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
>>> �
>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.�
>>> WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A address?�
>>> Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall
>>> (which I don't manage).
>>> �
>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means something
>>> is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Paul Stewart]

Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a very 
busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest traffic 
levels all week 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

 

Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time this 
evening.  

On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game we 
peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights. 

 

Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then normal 
usage. 

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  > wrote:

On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:

I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
a pickup after the game ended.



I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl on 
their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last 
resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to learn 
HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.

~Seth

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Tushar Patel]

Same here. Monday nights are highest.

Tushar


> On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a very 
> busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest 
> traffic levels all week
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>  
> Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time this 
> evening. 
> 
> On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
> We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game we 
> peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights.
>  
> Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then normal 
> usage. 
>  
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:
> I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
> Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
> But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
> a pickup after the game ended.
> 
> 
> I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl on 
> their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last 
> resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to 
> learn HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.
> 
> ~Seth
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Bill Prince]

It's code most places to require low E windows, which have a metalic 
coating that is pretty effective at blocking RF (WiFi, cell service, 
probably GPS too).


bp


On 2/9/2016 7:15 AM, Sam Kirsch wrote:
Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read 
the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android).  
We had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why 
the damn thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS 
receiver was working in rooms where the windows were open and not 
working in rooms where the windows were closed.  Building management 
didn't even know they'd purchased the windows with RF film.

*-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net 
**

Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
*Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | *sam...@plexicomm.net* 
*

-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use 
the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start 
transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.


Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to 
reset the power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these 
don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an 
excessively long time to get a lock.


On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very
accurately, from inside a single floor wood framed house... My
oneplus one will pick up 6 satellites while  standing in a
central hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be accurate enough
to get a location within 75'.

All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building
or something like that.

I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks
to tiny channel size and very basic modulation.

On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"
 wrote:

Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also
fail if the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4
mile of where the customer address is.

Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.

bp


On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From
the user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume
anything that prevents a VPN?
�
Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A
address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it _can't_ be a
class A address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses
internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall (which I don't manage).
�
I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that
means something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Jaime Solorza]

what was cause of all the traffic?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Never sure whether to congratulate someone on that or not J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> Same here. Monday nights are highest.
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a
> very busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest
> traffic levels all week
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night
>
>
>
> Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time
> this evening.
>
> On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:
>
> We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game
> we peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights.
>
>
>
> Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then
> normal usage.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
> Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
> But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
> a pickup after the game ended.
>
>
>
> I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl
> on their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last
> resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to
> learn HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.
>
> ~Seth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] sketchup

[Jaime Solorza]

Did you send a picture or attachment?   seems like my system blocked it or
something weird.


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting structure
> on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth export, and if you
> set the coordinates the structure is on you eath map, pretty nifty stuff.
> If you have a guy with the time to build out all your locations, it would
> be pretty slick for planning. One silo with mounts took me over 4 hours and
> its not even to scale, so may not be a cost effective thing to do unless
> there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

when we had just bought this house my wife was in foul mood and I was
goading her...
anyways she kicked at my shin and I instinctively blocked it Thai boxing
style ...she broke two toes...the hospital visit was hilariousthe
doctor kept asking me if I wanted to call police and file charges
she was more upset at missing her races than broken toes.
ah those were the days

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Too slow.  Popped in the face =P
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Er left! Circle left! I'm backwards when reading it LOL
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
>>> giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
 On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper
> bag any more
> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
>> busted
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because
>>> it's well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html

>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] sketchup

[Josh Luthman]

Dropbox/Box/Drive/OneDrive/etc might be easier?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> just a kmz, i thought a silo sitting on top of an apartment complex looked
> funny, tried it as a zip
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> People should use Imgur if it won't post...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of pics and/or attachments disappearing on this list lately.  Must
>>> be a size limit ?
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 10:45 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you send a picture or attachment?   seems like my system blocked it
>>> or something weird.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting
 structure on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth export,
 and if you set the coordinates the structure is on you eath map, pretty
 nifty stuff. If you have a guy with the time to build out all your
 locations, it would be pretty slick for planning. One silo with mounts took
 me over 4 hours and its not even to scale, so may not be a cost effective
 thing to do unless there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Josh Reynolds]

I was always trained to never go to the ground - sometimes bystanders
are friends of the guy you just double-legged...

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> actually you shouldn't do that.bob or weave under itmove in forward
> keeping guard high ...thats boxing.street fight.shoot under it and
> take down
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Circle to the right...
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>>
>>> no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
>>> giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:

 I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)

 On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:
>
> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper
> bag any more
>
> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>
>> busted
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> gravitational waves from your mom will never be spotted because it's
>>> well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza
>>>  wrote:


 http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Josh Reynolds]

Er left! Circle left! I'm backwards when reading it LOL
On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for giving
> her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
>> On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
>>> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper
>>> bag any more
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>>
 busted

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because
> it's well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>>
>
>

>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Josh Luthman]

Too slow.  Popped in the face =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Er left! Circle left! I'm backwards when reading it LOL
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
>> giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
 so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper
 bag any more
 On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> busted
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because
>> it's well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>>>
>>
>>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Christopher Tyler]

Yeah, my wife is in Japan right now visiting friends and family. She's posted 
some food pics over the last few days that look delicious. :)

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Simon Westlake" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:18:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food 
pictures

Nice, I love Japanese food. I have a friend I grew up with in the UK 
that moved to Japan, and he's always posting pictures of what he's 
eating on Facebook, gives me a lot of hunger pains.

On 2/9/2016 10:09 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> Since Jamie is always posting his lunch and dinner, figured I'd show y'all 
> what I had for dinner last night too. :)
>
> It's ton katsu. It's a Japanese dish, breaded pork, pan fried in grease 
> (Crisco not veggie oil), with a Japanese sauce on top, with a side of steamed 
> rice. One of my favorite dishes.
>

-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

I love Japanese cuisinemy cousin is married to Japanese engineer and
never turn down invites to their home damn now I am hungry

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Christopher Tyler 
wrote:

> Yeah, my wife is in Japan right now visiting friends and family. She's
> posted some food pics over the last few days that look delicious. :)
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Simon Westlake" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:18:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No
> food pictures
>
> Nice, I love Japanese food. I have a friend I grew up with in the UK
> that moved to Japan, and he's always posting pictures of what he's
> eating on Facebook, gives me a lot of hunger pains.
>
> On 2/9/2016 10:09 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> > Since Jamie is always posting his lunch and dinner, figured I'd show
> y'all what I had for dinner last night too. :)
> >
> > It's ton katsu. It's a Japanese dish, breaded pork, pan fried in grease
> (Crisco not veggie oil), with a Japanese sauce on top, with a side of
> steamed rice. One of my favorite dishes.
> >
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software
>
>

[AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Eric Muehleisen]

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
grace period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Jaime Solorza]

cell booster or gps booster?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:

> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the
> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android).  We had
> to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn
> thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working
> in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
> windows were closed.  Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
> the windows with RF film.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
> <1.866.852.4688>*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> | sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the
> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>
> Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset the
> power.
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
> seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
> to get a lock.
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < 
> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, from
>> inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6
>> satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
>> Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>>
>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
>> something like that.
>>
>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
>> channel size and very basic modulation.
>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if the
>>> GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer
>>> address is.
>>>
>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the user
>>> guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
>>> �
>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.�
>>> WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A address?�
>>> Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall
>>> (which I don't manage).
>>> �
>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means something
>>> is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

[Paul Stewart]

Never sure whether to congratulate someone on that or not :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

 

No kidding - we set a new record last night! Jeeze.

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Tushar Patel  > wrote:

Same here. Monday nights are highest.

Tushar

 


On Feb 9, 2016, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

Yeah we sent from almost the lowest traffic level in the past year to a very 
busy evening last night.. although Monday nights are often our highest traffic 
levels all week 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 11:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surprise BW Last night

 

Looks like they made up for it all tonight,  Highest levels in some time this 
evening.  

On 2/8/2016 10:34 AM, Joe Novak wrote:

We dropped over 300mbit as soon as the game started. Just after the game we 
peaked 100mbit lower then the two previous nights. 

 

Sunday is usually our peak for the week averaging 10-15% higher then normal 
usage. 

 

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Seth Mattinen  > wrote:

On 2/8/16 07:55, Nate Burke wrote:

I was expecting record traffic levels with people streaming the 'Big
Game' to multiple devices.  Cord cutters, and just because they could.
But it actually ended up being lower than most Sunday nights.  Not even
a pickup after the game ended.



I don't think a lot of people want to watch something like the super bowl on 
their tiny screen smartphone or tablet or even computer except as a last 
resort. They want the biggest screen possible plus they'll care enough to learn 
HDTV OTA reception if they don't have cable or sat.

~Seth

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] sketchup

[Adam Moffett]

Lots of pics and/or attachments disappearing on this list lately. Must 
be a size limit ?


On 2/9/2016 10:45 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Did you send a picture or attachment?   seems like my system blocked 
it or something weird.



Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting
structure on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth
export, and if you set the coordinates the structure is on you
eath map, pretty nifty stuff. If you have a guy with the time to
build out all your locations, it would be pretty slick for
planning. One silo with mounts took me over 4 hours and its not
even to scale, so may not be a cost effective thing to do unless
there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Simon Westlake]

Nice, I love Japanese food. I have a friend I grew up with in the UK 
that moved to Japan, and he's always posting pictures of what he's 
eating on Facebook, gives me a lot of hunger pains.


On 2/9/2016 10:09 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:

Since Jamie is always posting his lunch and dinner, figured I'd show y'all what 
I had for dinner last night too. :)

It's ton katsu. It's a Japanese dish, breaded pork, pan fried in grease (Crisco 
not veggie oil), with a Japanese sauce on top, with a side of steamed rice. One 
of my favorite dishes.



--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] sketchup

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

just a kmz, i thought a silo sitting on top of an apartment complex looked
funny, tried it as a zip

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> People should use Imgur if it won't post...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Lots of pics and/or attachments disappearing on this list lately.  Must
>> be a size limit ?
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:45 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Did you send a picture or attachment?   seems like my system blocked it
>> or something weird.
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting
>>> structure on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth export,
>>> and if you set the coordinates the structure is on you eath map, pretty
>>> nifty stuff. If you have a guy with the time to build out all your
>>> locations, it would be pretty slick for planning. One silo with mounts took
>>> me over 4 hours and its not even to scale, so may not be a cost effective
>>> thing to do unless there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for giving
her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
> On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event  so
>> I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper bag
>> any more
>> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>
>>> busted
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because it's
 well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole



 On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>


>>>

Re: [AFMUG] sketchup

[Bill Prince]

Some think that's what it is. Dunno what the limit is...

bp


On 2/9/2016 7:46 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Lots of pics and/or attachments disappearing on this list lately. Must 
be a size limit ?


On 2/9/2016 10:45 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Did you send a picture or attachment?   seems like my system blocked 
it or something weird.



Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting
structure on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth
export, and if you set the coordinates the structure is on you
eath map, pretty nifty stuff. If you have a guy with the time to
build out all your locations, it would be pretty slick for
planning. One silo with mounts took me over 4 hours and its not
even to scale, so may not be a cost effective thing to do unless
there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] sketchup

[Josh Luthman]

People should use Imgur if it won't post...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Lots of pics and/or attachments disappearing on this list lately.  Must be
> a size limit ?
>
> On 2/9/2016 10:45 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Did you send a picture or attachment?   seems like my system blocked it or
> something weird.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:11 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ive been dicking around with this again to visualize a mounting structure
>> on a silo, itas got a cool feature to do a google earth export, and if you
>> set the coordinates the structure is on you eath map, pretty nifty stuff.
>> If you have a guy with the time to build out all your locations, it would
>> be pretty slick for planning. One silo with mounts took me over 4 hours and
>> its not even to scale, so may not be a cost effective thing to do unless
>> there is idle time, but its pretty neat at least
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Josh Reynolds]

Circle to the right...
On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for giving
> her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
>> On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
>>> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper
>>> bag any more
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>>
 busted

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because
> it's well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>>
>
>

>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? No food pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

actually you shouldn't do that.bob or weave under itmove in forward
keeping guard high ...thats boxing.street fight.shoot under it and
take down

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Circle to the right...
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
>> giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
 so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper
 bag any more
 On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

> busted
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because
>> it's well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
>>>
>>
>>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Josh Luthman]

Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no harm
no foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update
them.  The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark,
can't get it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has
happened several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force
Base about 10 minutes away.

Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but
clearly don't care.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
> grace period to fix it?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SNMP Bug

[Matt Mangriotis]

Thanks Matt... I have sent this to the engineering team to investigate. Will 
let you know what they find.

I do know there was a custom frequency bug that has been fixed already (in the 
14.1.2 beta), but not sure if it's the same one that I recall.

Matt

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SNMP Bug

Trying to set the Custom Frequency list on a Canopy 3.65 SM I get this:

snmpset -v 2c -c Canopy 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s
366000,369000
Error in packet.
Reason: wrongValue (The set value is illegal or unsupported in some way) Failed 
object: iso.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0

I have SNMP write enabled.  I get this error with both 13.4 and 14.1.1.  
Dowgrading to 13.1.3 and it WORKS again.

It would also be nice if the config backup and restore actually worked.  I 
configure one SM and it works.  Restore the exact same config to another SM and 
it won't register too tower.  Restore factory defaults on it and configure step 
through web interface and it works fine again.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? Nofood pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

best thing kids can learn for self defense is wrestling and boxing then
make move to MMA.
But knowing how to use leverage is pricelessif can find reputable judo
or juijitsu dojo that is goodI don't like most karate and kung fu
schools due to commercialization and contracts...
too quick to hand out belts and too many lame instructors.MMA schools
are starting to get popularmy grandson enrolled in one for 6
monthshe did learn good boxing routines and a few take downs but it was
expensive.
I actually started shadow boxing three times a week.trying to get
soreness out of shoulder from fall in Amarillo couple weeks ago.Damn I
am slow...my shadow beats me all the time.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Most of the actual school/street/bar fights I was in ended up on the
> ground in about 500 milliseconds.  Only one ended with us duking it out
> with the other kid eventually running away.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:13 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted?
> Nofood pictures
>
> actually you shouldn't do that.bob or weave under itmove in
> forward keeping guard high ...thats boxing.street fight.shoot under
> it and take down
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Circle to the right...
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
>>> giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
 On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper
> bag any more
> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>
>> busted
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> gravitational waves from *your mom* will never be spotted because
>>> it's well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Ken Hohhof]

So unusual for a government regulatory agency.  Usually self-reporting is a 
get into jail card.



-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

The NOTAM is your get out of jail card.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how
you get your grace period.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace
period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Josh Luthman]

I'd strongly recommend notifying the FAA (not FCC) right away.  Simple CYA.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
> already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
> you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no
> harm no
> > foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update them.
> > The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark, can't
> get
> > it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has happened
> > several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force Base
> > about 10 minutes away.
> >
> > Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
> > haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but
> clearly
> > don't care.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
> >> grace period to fix it?
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? Nofood pictures

[Chuck McCown]

Most of the actual school/street/bar fights I was in ended up on the ground in 
about 500 milliseconds.  Only one ended with us duking it out with the other 
kid eventually running away.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:13 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? Nofood 
pictures

actually you shouldn't do that.bob or weave under itmove in forward 
keeping guard high ...thats boxing.street fight.shoot under it and take 
down

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  Circle to the right...

  On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for giving 
her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook


Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)

  On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event  
so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a paper bag 
any more

On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:

  busted

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  
wrote:

gravitational waves from your mom will never be spotted because 
it's well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole




On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  
http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html

[AFMUG] 50% repair trade

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Didnt one of the repair outfits used to have some deal where you sent in
your repair gear, they repaired what was repairable and kept half as the
fee, or something of that nature? Or was that the outfit that got nailed
for poking fsk subscribers?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Chuck McCown]

The NOTAM is your get out of jail card.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how 
you get your grace period.


https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace 
period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Darren Shea]

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how 
you get your grace period.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace period 
to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Eric Muehleisen]

We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no harm no
> foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update them.
> The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark, can't get
> it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has happened
> several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force Base
> about 10 minutes away.
>
> Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
> haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but clearly
> don't care.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>>
>> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
>> grace period to fix it?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ID this reflector?

[Ty Featherling]

LOL, so no ID on those reflectors?

-Ty



-Ty

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I can't help wondering what Tarzan is doing with all those dishes... it
> can't be anything good.
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> where's Jane?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like Tarzan’s tree house.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 8, 2016 10:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ID this reflector?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's cute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Ty Featherling 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Trimmed it a bit, must have been filtered.
>>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2016 5:26 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No picture
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Ty Featherling 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anyone identify these reflector dishes? This site was covered in
>>> tranzeos the last time I looked but I see an old Ubiquiti AP, an
>>> unidentified panel and those reflectors.
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Jaime Solorza]

around here they jump on it quickBorder Patrol choppers for one fly
close to communication towers used by radio stations along the
riveralso all the cell towers on border highway which are 50 to 100 ft.
high have lights and some with strobes

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I'd strongly recommend notifying the FAA (not FCC) right away.  Simple CYA.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
>> already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
>> you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3 weeks no
>> harm no
>> > foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just update
>> them.
>> > The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day mark, can't
>> get
>> > it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days.  This has happened
>> > several times and they only get grief because there's an Air Force Base
>> > about 10 minutes away.
>> >
>> > Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The lights
>> > haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know, but
>> clearly
>> > don't care.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
>> >> grace period to fix it?
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[David]

FAA, Are the ones of real concern FCC wont care unless its a frequency 
thingy.



On 02/09/2016 10:32 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'd strongly recommend notifying the FAA (not FCC) right away.  Simple 
CYA.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Eric Muehleisen > wrote:


We're not too concerned with it. The lights just failed last night. We
already have a tower crew dispatched. I'm just curious as to how long
you realistically have before the FCC get's involved.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:
> Contact the FAA immediately.  Then you get something like 3
weeks no harm no
> foul.  More than that I think you can get an easy pass, just
update them.
> The city nearby usually waits to get it fixed at the 20 day
mark, can't get
> it done that day, and then fix it after say 22 days. This has
happened
> several times and they only get grief because there's an Air
Force Base
> about 10 minutes away.
>
> Now in practice there's a 400' tower that we moved off of.  The
lights
> haven't worked for nearly a year.  The FAA and tower owner know,
but clearly
> don't care.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Eric Muehleisen
> wrote:
>>
>> What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a
>> grace period to fix it?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

[Chuck McCown]

FAA is nice in that respect.  They also have a NASA incident form that you 
can use to rat yourself out with as a pilot which will save  you too.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

So unusual for a government regulatory agency.  Usually self-reporting is a
get into jail card.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

The NOTAM is your get out of jail card.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Shea

Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

Yes, but you need to contact the FAA to file a Notice to Airmen - that's how
you get your grace period.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/content/lightOutageReporting.jsp

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Tower lights & FCC rules

What's the rule on tower lights? If bulbs burn out, do you have a grace
period to fix it?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? Nofood pictures

[Josh Reynolds]

Watched a short youtube documentary this morning on a very old Indian
martial art that went virtually extinct after England took over. It's
possible that a monk who studied this art and went on a learning
journey ended up in China, giving birth to Kung Fu. Pretty good stuff.
Hopefully I can find the link.

Ah, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI84oM_bJeg

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> best thing kids can learn for self defense is wrestling and boxing then make
> move to MMA.
> But knowing how to use leverage is pricelessif can find reputable judo
> or juijitsu dojo that is goodI don't like most karate and kung fu
> schools due to commercialization and contracts...
> too quick to hand out belts and too many lame instructors.MMA schools
> are starting to get popularmy grandson enrolled in one for 6
> monthshe did learn good boxing routines and a few take downs but it was
> expensive.
> I actually started shadow boxing three times a week.trying to get
> soreness out of shoulder from fall in Amarillo couple weeks ago.Damn I
> am slow...my shadow beats me all the time.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Most of the actual school/street/bar fights I was in ended up on the
>> ground in about 500 milliseconds.  Only one ended with us duking it out with
>> the other kid eventually running away.
>>
>> From: Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:13 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted?
>> Nofood pictures
>>
>> actually you shouldn't do that.bob or weave under itmove in
>> forward keeping guard high ...thats boxing.street fight.shoot under
>> it and take down
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Circle to the right...
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:

 no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
 giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her left hook

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
>
> I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
>
> On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>>
>> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team event
>> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of a 
>> paper
>> bag any more
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
>>>
>>> busted
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:

 gravitational waves from your mom will never be spotted because it's
 well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole



 On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:
>
>
> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html


>>>
>>>


>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted? Nofood pictures

[Jaime Solorza]

Look up pankration
On Feb 9, 2016 10:18 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Watched a short youtube documentary this morning on a very old Indian
> martial art that went virtually extinct after England took over. It's
> possible that a monk who studied this art and went on a learning
> journey ended up in China, giving birth to Kung Fu. Pretty good stuff.
> Hopefully I can find the link.
>
> Ah, here it is:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI84oM_bJeg
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > best thing kids can learn for self defense is wrestling and boxing then
> make
> > move to MMA.
> > But knowing how to use leverage is pricelessif can find reputable
> judo
> > or juijitsu dojo that is goodI don't like most karate and kung fu
> > schools due to commercialization and contracts...
> > too quick to hand out belts and too many lame instructors.MMA schools
> > are starting to get popularmy grandson enrolled in one for 6
> > monthshe did learn good boxing routines and a few take downs but it
> was
> > expensive.
> > I actually started shadow boxing three times a week.trying to get
> > soreness out of shoulder from fall in Amarillo couple weeks ago.Damn
> I
> > am slow...my shadow beats me all the time.
> >
> > Jaime Solorza
> > Wireless Systems Architect
> > 915-861-1390
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>
> >> Most of the actual school/street/bar fights I was in ended up on the
> >> ground in about 500 milliseconds.  Only one ended with us duking it out
> with
> >> the other kid eventually running away.
> >>
> >> From: Jaime Solorza
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 9:13 AM
> >> To: Animal Farm
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Have Gravitational Waves Finally Been Spotted?
> >> Nofood pictures
> >>
> >> actually you shouldn't do that.bob or weave under itmove in
> >> forward keeping guard high ...thats boxing.street fight.shoot
> under
> >> it and take down
> >>
> >> Jaime Solorza
> >> Wireless Systems Architect
> >> 915-861-1390
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Circle to the right...
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  no need,mi casa es su casa...BTW...my wife chastised me for
>  giving her tips awayhaI am not afraid of her.just her
> left hook
> 
>  Jaime Solorza
>  Wireless Systems Architect
>  915-861-1390
> 
>  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I bet I could fight my way into your kitchen! :)
> >
> > On Feb 9, 2016 8:53 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> My mom?  Thems fighting words Willisdamn no AF tag team
> event
> >> so I can whoop some butt.   lol...I can't even fight my way out of
> a paper
> >> bag any more
> >>
> >> On Feb 9, 2016 7:44 AM, "Chuck Hogg"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> busted
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  >
> >>> wrote:
> 
>  gravitational waves from your mom will never be spotted because
> it's
>  well known nothing escapes the event horizon of a black hole
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Jaime Solorza
>   wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.space.com/31869-gravitational-waves-news-conference-thursday.html
> 
> 
> >>>
> >>>
> 
> 
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[can...@believewireless.net]

A lot of customers only remember the advertised rate though. So when they
compare services to you, they only remember
$49.95 and not the additional $15 in fees and taxes.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We are currently fight TWC... had 69.99 plan and now want 99.00 for same
> service...
> On Feb 9, 2016 12:26 PM, "Super WISP"  wrote:
>
>> Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they
>> added these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and
>> Broadcast fee of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mark Chamerlik*
>>
>> Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
>>
>> 630-818-1004 OFFICE
>>
>> 815-822-4490 CELL
>>
>> ma...@wavonline.com
>>
>> www.wavonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *NEW*: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
>> 
>>
>> [image: Description: twitter-logo-100x100.png]
>>  [image: Description:
>> fb-logo-100x100.png]
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, that sounds like a good idea...
>>
>>
>>
>> $25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> IMO it's a "we need more money" fee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Franchisee tax???
>>
>> Something is getting passed along...
>>
>> 477 prep fee?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95
>> (6.64%).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> USF maybe?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
>> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
>> Fees
>>
>> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
>> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
>> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
>> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
>> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
>> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
>> conversation once.
>>
>> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
>> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
>> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
>> recovery fee". LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to 
>> which
>> it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential 
>> and
>> exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is
>> not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for 
>> delivery of
>> the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
>> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly
>> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify 
>> us
>> immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Eric Kuhnke]

Same idea as if you take a handheld dedicated GPS receiver (not one that
partially uses aGPS / cellular location based assistance) from one side of
the world to the other, powered off, and turn it on again...   can take
5-10 minutes to reacquire lock even when on a flat rooftop with view to 12
satellites.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the
> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>
> Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset the
> power.
>
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
> seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
> to get a lock.
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < 
> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, from
>> inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6
>> satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
>> Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>>
>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
>> something like that.
>>
>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
>> channel size and very basic modulation.
>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if the
>>> GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer
>>> address is.
>>>
>>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the user
>>> guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
>>> �
>>> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.�
>>> WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A address?�
>>> Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall
>>> (which I don't manage).
>>> �
>>> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means something
>>> is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Modern GPS chipsets do coldstart within 35 seconds with a good view of the
sky, and no previous data.   This is the main performance gain a GPS
chipset with a significant number of 'channels' will get you.


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Same idea as if you take a handheld dedicated GPS receiver (not one that
> partially uses aGPS / cellular location based assistance) from one side of
> the world to the other, powered off, and turn it on again...   can take
> 5-10 minutes to reacquire lock even when on a flat rooftop with view to 12
> satellites.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the
>> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
>> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>>
>> Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset
>> the power.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
>> seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
>> to get a lock.
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < 
>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately,
>>> from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up
>>> 6 satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
>>> Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>>>
>>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
>>> channel size and very basic modulation.
>>> On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if the
 GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer
 address is.

 Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.

 bp
 


 On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� >From the user
 guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
 �
 Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.�
 WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A address?�
 Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall
 (which I don't manage).
 �
 I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means
 something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?



>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[Eric Kuhnke]

you brought a known-infected laptop into your office and plugged it into
your LAN?  uhhh... okay.

http://www.dban.org/

the port 443 connection is probably command and control for some variety of
rootkit/APT.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Glen Waldrop 
wrote:

> I’ve got a customer with a bugged laptop. Not biggie, sending spam.
>
> I haven’t quite tracked that down yet, looks like it is logging into a
> remote server on 443, nothing obvious.
>
> What I’ve noticed that brought me to bring this to the list is that it is
> currently 192.168.0.50 on my office network, probing 192.168.1.4 through 6
> on SNMP (doesn’t exist on my network, only on my sandbox that this laptop
> can’t see at all, nothing has been on my sandbox in weeks), also pinging my
> edge, though not my local edge, my network edge on it’s internal IP of
> 10.0.11.1.
>
> The customer’s IP address is on the 10.0.22.0/24 subnet, two hops to
> 10.0.11.0/24. At my office it is two hops from 192.168.0.0/24 to
> 10.0.11.1.
>
> If it was some form of a hack you’d figured they’d go by my public IP,
> though I suppose they’re looking for the possibility of not being secured
> on the inside.
>
> Just throwing this out there, looked interesting and weird to me.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[Cameron Crum]

Didn't this happen in Skyfall?

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> +1
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 9, 2016 5:29 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> you brought a known-infected laptop into your office and plugged it into
>> your LAN?  uhhh... okay.
>>
>> http://www.dban.org/
>>
>> the port 443 connection is probably command and control for some variety
>> of rootkit/APT.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Glen Waldrop 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve got a customer with a bugged laptop. Not biggie, sending spam.
>>>
>>> I haven’t quite tracked that down yet, looks like it is logging into a
>>> remote server on 443, nothing obvious.
>>>
>>> What I’ve noticed that brought me to bring this to the list is that it
>>> is currently 192.168.0.50 on my office network, probing 192.168.1.4 through
>>> 6 on SNMP (doesn’t exist on my network, only on my sandbox that this laptop
>>> can’t see at all, nothing has been on my sandbox in weeks), also pinging my
>>> edge, though not my local edge, my network edge on it’s internal IP of
>>> 10.0.11.1.
>>>
>>> The customer’s IP address is on the 10.0.22.0/24 subnet, two hops to
>>> 10.0.11.0/24. At my office it is two hops from 192.168.0.0/24 to
>>> 10.0.11.1.
>>>
>>> If it was some form of a hack you’d figured they’d go by my public IP,
>>> though I suppose they’re looking for the possibility of not being secured
>>> on the inside.
>>>
>>> Just throwing this out there, looked interesting and weird to me.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[Josh Luthman]

+1

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 9, 2016 5:29 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> you brought a known-infected laptop into your office and plugged it into
> your LAN?  uhhh... okay.
>
> http://www.dban.org/
>
> the port 443 connection is probably command and control for some variety
> of rootkit/APT.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:
>
>> I’ve got a customer with a bugged laptop. Not biggie, sending spam.
>>
>> I haven’t quite tracked that down yet, looks like it is logging into a
>> remote server on 443, nothing obvious.
>>
>> What I’ve noticed that brought me to bring this to the list is that it is
>> currently 192.168.0.50 on my office network, probing 192.168.1.4 through 6
>> on SNMP (doesn’t exist on my network, only on my sandbox that this laptop
>> can’t see at all, nothing has been on my sandbox in weeks), also pinging my
>> edge, though not my local edge, my network edge on it’s internal IP of
>> 10.0.11.1.
>>
>> The customer’s IP address is on the 10.0.22.0/24 subnet, two hops to
>> 10.0.11.0/24. At my office it is two hops from 192.168.0.0/24 to
>> 10.0.11.1.
>>
>> If it was some form of a hack you’d figured they’d go by my public IP,
>> though I suppose they’re looking for the possibility of not being secured
>> on the inside.
>>
>> Just throwing this out there, looked interesting and weird to me.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Eric Kuhnke]

I bet if you polled a hundred random CL customers with their bill, >50%
would think that the "fee" was some sort of government tax being passed
along, not a "screw you our network costs money to operate so we're going
to charge you more than the advertised price" fee.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, but it probably works well, because most people won't bother
> complaining about fees as long as they're only a couple bucks...
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Super WISP 
> wrote:
>
>> Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they
>> added these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and
>> Broadcast fee of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Mark Chamerlik*
>>
>> Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
>>
>> 630-818-1004 OFFICE
>>
>> 815-822-4490 CELL
>>
>> ma...@wavonline.com
>>
>> www.wavonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *NEW*: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
>> 
>>
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>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh, that sounds like a good idea...
>>
>>
>>
>> $25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> IMO it's a "we need more money" fee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Franchisee tax???
>>
>> Something is getting passed along...
>>
>> 477 prep fee?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>
>>
>>
>> USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95
>> (6.64%).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> USF maybe?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
>> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
>> Fees
>>
>> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
>> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
>> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
>> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
>> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
>> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
>> conversation once.
>>
>> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
>> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
>> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
>> recovery fee". LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> which
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>> us
>> immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
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>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Rory Conaway]

+1


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 2:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

A lot of customers only remember the advertised rate though. So when they 
compare services to you, they only remember
$49.95 and not the additional $15 in fees and taxes.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

We are currently fight TWC... had 69.99 plan and now want 99.00 for same 
service...
On Feb 9, 2016 12:26 PM, "Super WISP" 
> wrote:
Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they added 
these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and Broadcast fee 
of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.

Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
[cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
ma...@wavonline.com
www.wavonline.com

For additional assistance: email 
tea...@wavonline.com

NEW: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS 
MANAGEMENT
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

Heh, that sounds like a good idea...

$25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge



From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

IMO it's a "we need more money" fee


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Franchisee tax???
Something is getting passed along...
477 prep fee?

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
USF maybe?

-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 
2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 
Centurylink Bogus Fees
I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new house. 
They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and talk to the 
rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of $1.99/month. When I 
asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say was "everyone gets 
charged that... it's how we keep the network running and stuff". I think she 
even tried to throw something about the FCC into the conversation once.

Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price and 
nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just advertise 
$1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet recovery fee". 
LOL

Travis





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Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Eric Kuhnke]

also most modern chipsets and smartphones will pick up data from 2 or 3 of
the GLONASS satellites that happen to be visible at any given time, using
their timing to augment GPS accuracy.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/gps-only-devices-to-be-hit-with-tax/421275.html

http://russianamericanbusiness.org/web_CURRENT/articles/878/1/GPS-import-duties-to-promote-Russia%92s-GLONASS

short version is, russia slapped an extra 25% import tax on every
smartphone with a GPS receiver (which is pretty much all of them) that
didn't support GLONASS. The RF baseband companies like Qualcomm quickly
responded with GLONASS enabled GPS functionality so that their clients
could continue to sell in Russia and all of its economically-dependent
client states (kazakhstan, tajikistan, etc).



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Modern GPS chipsets do coldstart within 35 seconds with a good view of the
> sky, and no previous data.   This is the main performance gain a GPS
> chipset with a significant number of 'channels' will get you.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Same idea as if you take a handheld dedicated GPS receiver (not one that
>> partially uses aGPS / cellular location based assistance) from one side of
>> the world to the other, powered off, and turn it on again...   can take
>> 5-10 minutes to reacquire lock even when on a flat rooftop with view to 12
>> satellites.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the
>>> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
>>> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>>>
>>> Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset
>>> the power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
>>> seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
>>> to get a lock.
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < 
>>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately,
 from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up
 6 satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
 Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.

 All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
 something like that.

 I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
 channel size and very basic modulation.
 On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if
> the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the
> customer address is.
>
> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the user
> guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
> �
> Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.�
> WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A address?�
> Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall
> (which I don't manage).
> �
> I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means
> something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
>
>
>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Odd situation

[Eric Kuhnke]

only the second most preposterous part of the movie, after the part where
javier bardem escapes and detonates the floor of a london tube tunnel at
precisely the right time, causing the train to chase bond...

Q is supposed to be a genius level intellect and network security/blackhat,
yet he plugs the device into their secure network?

nevermind all the fancy eye candy GUI hacking crap which is required
because it's hollywood...

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Didn't this happen in Skyfall?
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 5:29 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>>
>>> you brought a known-infected laptop into your office and plugged it into
>>> your LAN?  uhhh... okay.
>>>
>>> http://www.dban.org/
>>>
>>> the port 443 connection is probably command and control for some variety
>>> of rootkit/APT.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Glen Waldrop 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I’ve got a customer with a bugged laptop. Not biggie, sending spam.

 I haven’t quite tracked that down yet, looks like it is logging into a
 remote server on 443, nothing obvious.

 What I’ve noticed that brought me to bring this to the list is that it
 is currently 192.168.0.50 on my office network, probing 192.168.1.4 through
 6 on SNMP (doesn’t exist on my network, only on my sandbox that this laptop
 can’t see at all, nothing has been on my sandbox in weeks), also pinging my
 edge, though not my local edge, my network edge on it’s internal IP of
 10.0.11.1.

 The customer’s IP address is on the 10.0.22.0/24 subnet, two hops to
 10.0.11.0/24. At my office it is two hops from 192.168.0.0/24 to
 10.0.11.1.

 If it was some form of a hack you’d figured they’d go by my public IP,
 though I suppose they’re looking for the possibility of not being secured
 on the inside.

 Just throwing this out there, looked interesting and weird to me.


>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Chuck McCown]

Franchisee tax???
Something is getting passed along...
477 prep fee?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  USF maybe?

  -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 
2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees 

  I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new 
house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and talk 
to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of $1.99/month. When 
I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say was "everyone gets 
charged that... it's how we keep the network running and stuff". I think she 
even tried to throw something about the FCC into the conversation once.

  Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price and 
nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just advertise 
$1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet recovery fee". 
LOL

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Mathew Howard]

yep... it's definitely gotta be under $5... two $2.50 charges would
probably be better :P

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> $2 or maybe $5 should be OK.
>
> $10 will piss people off
>
> https://www.google.com/search?num=50=off=2=comcast+modem+rental+fee=1=X=0ahUKEwiQ5smztuvKAhWhmIMKHfGMDmsQvwUIGigA=1600=775
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but it probably works well, because most people won't bother
>> complaining about fees as long as they're only a couple bucks...
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Super WISP 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they
>>> added these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and
>>> Broadcast fee of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Mark Chamerlik*
>>>
>>> Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
>>>
>>> 630-818-1004 OFFICE
>>>
>>> 815-822-4490 CELL
>>>
>>> ma...@wavonline.com
>>>
>>> www.wavonline.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *NEW*: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
>>> 
>>>
>>> [image: Description: twitter-logo-100x100.png]
>>>  [image: Description:
>>> fb-logo-100x100.png]
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heh, that sounds like a good idea...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> $25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IMO it's a "we need more money" fee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> Franchisee tax???
>>>
>>> Something is getting passed along...
>>>
>>> 477 prep fee?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95
>>> (6.64%).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> USF maybe?
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
>>> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
>>> Fees
>>>
>>> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
>>> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
>>> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
>>> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
>>> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
>>> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
>>> conversation once.
>>>
>>> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised
>>> price and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't
>>> just advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their
>>> "Internet recovery fee". LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to 
>>> which
>>> it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, 
>>> confidential and
>>> exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message 
>>> is
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>>> us
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>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, but it probably works well, because most people won't bother
complaining about fees as long as they're only a couple bucks...

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Super WISP  wrote:

> Heck, I’m on a 2 year contract with Comcast for $99.99/month and they
> added these silly fees.  Comcast Region Sports fee of $3 up from $1 and
> Broadcast fee of $5 up from $3.  Totally unethical.
>
>
>
> *Mark Chamerlik*
>
> Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
>
> 630-818-1004 OFFICE
>
> 815-822-4490 CELL
>
> ma...@wavonline.com
>
> www.wavonline.com
>
>
>
> For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
>
>
>
> *NEW*: 2016 IMPROVEMENTS TO WAV’S BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
> 
>
> [image: Description: twitter-logo-100x100.png]
>  [image: Description:
> fb-logo-100x100.png]
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Glen Waldrop
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 1:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
>
>
> Heh, that sounds like a good idea...
>
>
>
> $25 I need a new work truck or Corvette surcharge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:55 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
>
>
> IMO it's a "we need more money" fee
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Franchisee tax???
>
> Something is getting passed along...
>
> 477 prep fee?
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:49 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
>
>
> USF is for phone, not Internet.  Besides it wouldn't be 1.99/29.95 (6.64%).
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> USF maybe?
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February
> 09, 2016 11:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus
> Fees
>
> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
> conversation once.
>
> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
> recovery fee". LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which
> it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential 
> and
> exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is
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> immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 450 SNMP Bug

[Sriram Chaturvedi]

Hi Matt,

Yes, the config import failure is due to the auth key. This bug has has been 
addressed in 14.1.2 which is currently available as a beta release.

Regarding the 3.65 frequency setting on the SM, add an extra 0 to the 
frequency. So instead of:
snmpset -v 2c -c Canopy 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s
366000,369000

Use:
snmpset -v 2c -c Canopy 169.254.1.1 .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.3.2.53.0 s
366,369

This is because the raster is now 1 kHz while it was previously 50 kHz.

We will update the OID description in 14.1.2 to reflect this change as the 
example in the description is incorrect.

Thanks,
Sriram

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On Feb 9, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Matt 
> wrote:

worked.  I configure one SM and it works.  Restore the exact same
config to another SM and it won't register too tower.  Restore factory
defaults on it and configure step through web interface and it works
fine again.

On this part I did figure out that the Canopy configuration backup
does not restore the pre-shared authentication key.  Have to enter it
manually each time after applying the configuration file.

Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

[LD Barthlome]

Buy a pre-terminated fiber and a couple of used Cisco switchesthen you can 
run Gig /10 Gig

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 500 Foot Cat-5 Run

> I've used some vdsl equipment from netsys direct, worked great. Here's 
> their Ethernet extender:
>
> http://www.netsys-direct.com/product_p/nv-202ekit.htm

Ordered a couple, should solve my issue.  Thanks.


>> > Buy a set of those DSL thingamajigs. Unless you're trying to run 
>> > PoE to power a remote device. Then you're screwed. Ethernet does 
>> > not work beyond
>> > 100 meters. If it does, it won't be reliable.
>>
>> That's what I was thinking.  Anyone know of any that are not terribly 
>> expensive?  Hopefully under $500 for pair?  If a new line needs run 
>> it will likely have to be bored in.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

yah, we take that too.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandon Yuchasz 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them


  ACH Jay. Its made life so easy bank accounts don't change.

   

  Best regards,

  Brandon Yuchasz

  GogebicRange.net

  www.gogebicrange.net

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:43 AM
  To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
  Subject: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them

   

   

   

  you know, if half the people who had to call the office in order to update 
their new fangled credit card with the new chip in it would just login to the 
portal and do it, we wouldn't have to take near as many calls.  i understand 
for those who haven't logged into the portal for like two years whose cards 
have been on autopay and ignore the email telling them HOW to enter the 
information.but still.

   

  that is my rant for the day.

   

  please carry on with your regularly scheduled WISP business.

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them

[Josh Luthman]

How about this one from a moment ago?

>Customer called about slow speeds
>Customer stated that everything started working fine as soon as I answered
the phone
>Asked the customer if we could trouble shoot she stated that she did not
have time



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> yah, we take that too.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:50 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them
>
> ACH Jay. Its made life so easy bank accounts don’t change.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Brandon Yuchasz
>
> GogebicRange.net
>
> www.gogebicrange.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> you know, if half the people who had to call the office in order to update
> their new fangled credit card with the new chip in it would just login to
> the portal and do it, we wouldn't have to take near as many calls.  i
> understand for those who haven't logged into the portal for like two years
> whose cards have been on autopay and ignore the email telling them HOW to
> enter the information.but still.
>
>
>
> that is my rant for the day.
>
>
>
> please carry on with your regularly scheduled WISP business.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them

[Adam Moffett]

She better just keep you on the phone so it stays fast.

On 2/9/2016 1:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How about this one from a moment ago?

>Customer called about slow speeds
>Customer stated that everything started working fine as soon as I answered the 
phone
>Asked the customer if we could trouble shoot she stated that she did not have 
time



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


yah, we take that too.

- Original Message -
*From:* Brandon Yuchasz 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:50 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we
want them

ACH Jay. Its made life so easy bank accounts don’t change.

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org

*Subject:* [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them

you know, if half the people who had to call the office in
order to update their new fangled credit card with the new
chip in it would just login to the portal and do it, we
wouldn't have to take near as many calls.  i understand for
those who haven't logged into the portal for like two years
whose cards have been on autopay and ignore the email telling
them HOW to enter the information.but still.

that is my rant for the day.

please carry on with your regularly scheduled WISP business.

Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them

[Josh Luthman]

No time for that, gotta get back to the next episode on Netflix.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> She better just keep you on the phone so it stays fast.
>
> On 2/9/2016 1:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> How about this one from a moment ago?
>
> >Customer called about slow speeds
> >Customer stated that everything started working fine as soon as I
> answered the phone
> >Asked the customer if we could trouble shoot she stated that she did not
> have time
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:10 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> yah, we take that too.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Brandon Yuchasz 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:50 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them
>>
>> ACH Jay. Its made life so easy bank accounts don’t change.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brandon Yuchasz
>>
>> GogebicRange.net
>>
>> www.gogebicrange.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 11:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] customer smarts are ALMOST where we want them
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> you know, if half the people who had to call the office in order to
>> update their new fangled credit card with the new chip in it would just
>> login to the portal and do it, we wouldn't have to take near as many
>> calls.  i understand for those who haven't logged into the portal for like
>> two years whose cards have been on autopay and ignore the email telling
>> them HOW to enter the information.but still.
>>
>>
>>
>> that is my rant for the day.
>>
>>
>>
>> please carry on with your regularly scheduled WISP business.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[samuel]

Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was dealing 
with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the basement to 
get the damn thing to sync properly.

As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is a 
very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!

 
-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688

sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?
 

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390
 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
 
Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the 
satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android).  We had to 
install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing 
wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in rooms 
where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the windows were 
closed.  Building management didn't even know they'd purchased the windows with 
RF film. 
 
 
 -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 
 
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net 
 
 
 
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
 
It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the 1pps 
clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start transmitting, then 
it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.

Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset the 
power.



On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't seem to 
be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time to get a lock.

On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, from 
inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6 
satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be 
accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or something 
like that.
I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny channel 
size and very basic modulation. On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" 
 wrote:
 Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if the GPS 
location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer address 
is.

Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.


bp  
On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 
What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the user guide it 
appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
�
Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.� WTF?� Did 
they maybe mean it can't be a class A address?� Customer uses 10.x.x.x 
addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall (which I don't manage).
�
I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means something is 
using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?
 

 
 


 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:

> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>
> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this is
> a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>
>
>
> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
>
> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
> cell booster or gps booster?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>
>>
>> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read the
>> satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to
>> install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing
>> wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working in
>> rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
>> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
>> the windows with RF film.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>> www.plexicomm.net *
>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109  | Fax:
>> 1.866.852.4688 *
>>
>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713  |
>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>
>>
>> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use the
>> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
>> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>>
>> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to reset the
>> power.
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
>> seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
>> to get a lock.
>>
>> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < 
>> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately,
>>> from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up
>>> 6 satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
>>> Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>>>
>>> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
>>> something like that.
>>>
>>> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to tiny
>>> channel size and very basic modulation.
>>>  On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
  Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if
 the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the
 customer address is.

 Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.

 bp
 

 On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


 What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� >From the user
 guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
 �
 Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A address.�
 WTF?� Did they maybe mean it *can't* be a class A address?�
 Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall
 (which I don't manage).
 �
 I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means
 something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?





>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Ken Hohhof]

FYI, current theory is customer’s corporate IT gave Verizon the wrong MAC 
address when they activated the network extender.  Should know tomorrow if this 
was all a wild goose chase.

No matter what I did, I saw ISAKMP packets going out but no apparent response.  
If the MAC address is coded into those packets, I’m guessing the Verizon VPN 
servers were just ignoring the VPN tunnel setup requests.


From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 4:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

also most modern chipsets and smartphones will pick up data from 2 or 3 of the 
GLONASS satellites that happen to be visible at any given time, using their 
timing to augment GPS accuracy.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/gps-only-devices-to-be-hit-with-tax/421275.html

http://russianamericanbusiness.org/web_CURRENT/articles/878/1/GPS-import-duties-to-promote-Russia%92s-GLONASS


short version is, russia slapped an extra 25% import tax on every smartphone 
with a GPS receiver (which is pretty much all of them) that didn't support 
GLONASS. The RF baseband companies like Qualcomm quickly responded with GLONASS 
enabled GPS functionality so that their clients could continue to sell in 
Russia and all of its economically-dependent client states (kazakhstan, 
tajikistan, etc).




On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  Modern GPS chipsets do coldstart within 35 seconds with a good view of the 
sky, and no previous data.   This is the main performance gain a GPS chipset 
with a significant number of 'channels' will get you.   



  On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

Same idea as if you take a handheld dedicated GPS receiver (not one that 
partially uses aGPS / cellular location based assistance) from one side of the 
world to the other, powered off, and turn it on again...   can take 5-10 
minutes to reacquire lock even when on a flat rooftop with view to 12 
satellites.


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:50 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  It might not be just a matter of getting the location.  If they use the 
1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start transmitting, 
then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.

  Telrad BTS's are like that too.  Pisses me off if I ever have to reset 
the power. 




  On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't 
seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time to 
get a lock.

On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately, 
from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6 
satellites while  standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window. Should be 
accurate enough to get a location within 75'. 

  All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or 
something like that. 

  I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to 
tiny channel size and very basic modulation.

  On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if 
the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the customer 
address is.

Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.


bp


On 2/8/2016 3:34 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What are the typical reasons for these not to work?� From the 
user guide it appears to use IPSEC, so I assume anything that prevents a VPN?
  �
  Verizon support told the customer they needed a Class A 
address.� WTF?� Did they maybe mean it can't be a class A address?� 
Customer uses 10.x.x.x addresses internally, behind Cisco ASA firewall (which I 
don't manage).
  �
  I do see some udp/500 and udp/4500 packets, I think that means 
something is using UDP for IPSEC NAT traversal?








  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

   

[AFMUG] Quadcopters

[Adam Moffett]

I'm looking for a quadcopter that will carry a camera, but also carry an 
additional 3 lbs of wireless equipment.


I got a quote for a Turbo Ace Matrix-S, but it's a little pricey. That 
was about $3500 for the unit, but then almost $7k on the quote once you 
include all the fries and drinks that make it a complete meal.  Does 
anybody have other suggestions that I should look at?


I know the heavy payload means I'm looking at more expensive models, but 
I was envisioning more like $4k.

Re: [AFMUG] Quadcopters

[Jason McKemie]

It's amazing how much cheaper you can get some of the Chinese knock-off
quad copters. I'd be surprised if you couldn't find something well under
your budget. I'll take a look around a little later and see what I can come
up with.

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm looking for a quadcopter that will carry a camera, but also carry an
> additional 3 lbs of wireless equipment.
>
> I got a quote for a Turbo Ace Matrix-S, but it's a little pricey. That was
> about $3500 for the unit, but then almost $7k on the quote once you include
> all the fries and drinks that make it a complete meal.  Does anybody have
> other suggestions that I should look at?
>
> I know the heavy payload means I'm looking at more expensive models, but I
> was envisioning more like $4k.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t know if you are literally referring to the modem rental fee, or the 
latest FCC thing which is the Set Top Box rental fee.

I have a sliver of sympathy for the cable companies on the STB, when people 
quote how much the cost has gone up over some time period like the last 10 
years.

I think they’re forgetting how little a STB did 10 years ago compared to today. 
 Most notably incorporating a DVR and a whole bunch of tuners so you can record 
4, 6, 10 shows plus watch TV.  We used to spend something like $200 for an 
external TiVO with much less functionality.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

Comcast gets slammed over the modem rental fee.  Do a web search (assuming you 
won't use Google =) for it, it's so common even your bad search engines will 
come up with it.  If you look at any DSL/phone (land/cell)/cable bill the 
charges are only 3/4 of the actual bill.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

  I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new 
house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and talk 
to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of $1.99/month. When 
I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say was "everyone gets 
charged that... it's how we keep the network running and stuff". I think she 
even tried to throw something about the FCC into the conversation once.

  Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price and 
nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just advertise 
$1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet recovery fee". 
LOL

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Quadcopters

[Sean Heskett]

That's a lot of weight and your battery runtime is only going to be around
20min.

May I ask what it is you are trying to accomplish?  That will make it
easier to suggest a solution.

Also everything that can carry that payload will be more than $4k

-Sean

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm looking for a quadcopter that will carry a camera, but also carry an
> additional 3 lbs of wireless equipment.
>
> I got a quote for a Turbo Ace Matrix-S, but it's a little pricey. That was
> about $3500 for the unit, but then almost $7k on the quote once you include
> all the fries and drinks that make it a complete meal.  Does anybody have
> other suggestions that I should look at?
>
> I know the heavy payload means I'm looking at more expensive models, but I
> was envisioning more like $4k.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dell XPS 13/15

[Josh Reynolds]

I ditched optical drives many years ago. At least 6, maybe longer. USB3
flash drives or GTFO.

I can't remember the last time I had a laptop with a serial port.

Ethernet is fine, otherwise I just carry a usb3 GbE dongle in my bag.
On Feb 9, 2016 7:45 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Anyone have the latest version of either of these laptops, the ones with
> the "InfinityEdge" display?  Are they as cool as some of the reviews say?
> Worth the money?  What about the UHD touch screen?  Keyboard supposedly has
> limited travel, still OK?
>
> I accept not having a serial port, but it would hurt losing the Ethernet
> port and optical drive, seems the world is going that way though.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Quadcopters

[Adam Moffett]

The original idea was to just lift a camera for site surveys.

Some people want to also lift antennas / SM's to get actual signal 
readings, which is where the extra 3lb comes in.


Runtime isn't a big dealI figure a survey would be done in 10 minutes.


On 2/9/2016 6:05 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
That's a lot of weight and your battery runtime is only going to be 
around 20min.


May I ask what it is you are trying to accomplish?  That will make it 
easier to suggest a solution.


Also everything that can carry that payload will be more than $4k

-Sean

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016, Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm looking for a quadcopter that will carry a camera, but also
carry an additional 3 lbs of wireless equipment.

I got a quote for a Turbo Ace Matrix-S, but it's a little pricey.
That was about $3500 for the unit, but then almost $7k on the
quote once you include all the fries and drinks that make it a
complete meal.  Does anybody have other suggestions that I should
look at?

I know the heavy payload means I'm looking at more expensive
models, but I was envisioning more like $4k.

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Bill Prince]

The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector 
(don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a 
wire on the end of the coax, and you're there.


bp


On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel > wrote:


Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I
was dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof
down to the basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.

As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and
this is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!

-- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
Plexicomm Internet Solutions
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109  | Fax:
1.866.852.4688 

sam...@plexicomm.net  | Emergency
Support: 1.866.759.9713 



-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" >
To: "Animal Farm" >
Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

cell booster or gps booster?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch
> wrote:

Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can
actually read the satellites from behind the window (I
used 'GPS Test' on Android). We had to install one of
these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn thing
wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver
was working in rooms where the windows were open and not
working in rooms where the windows were closed. Building
management didn't even know they'd purchased the windows
with RF film.
*-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
**
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
*
*Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
 | *sam...@plexicomm.net*
*
-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If
they use the 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an
oscillator before they start transmitting, then it would
legitimately take 20-30 minutes.

Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever
have to reset the power.


On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some
of these don't seem to be "modern" at all. They
frequently take an excessively long time to get a lock.

On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke
>
wrote:

Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not
very accurately, from inside a single floor wood
framed house... My oneplus one will pick up 6
satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+
from any window. Should be accurate enough to get a
location within 75'.

All bets are off if it is a concrete framed
apartment building or something like that.

I still find it amazing that anything works at -162
RSL. Thanks to tiny channel size and very basic
modulation.

On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince"
 wrote:

Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It
might also fail if the GPS location that it
reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the
customer address is.

Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to
get a GPS lock.

bp 

  

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

I have one at the office, I can take a picture...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 9, 2016 9:39 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector (don't
>> recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire on the
>> end of the coax, and you're there.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>
>>> Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
>>> dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
>>> basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.
>>>
>>> As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this
>>> is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
>>> Plexicomm Internet Solutions
>>> Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>>> 1.866.852.4688
>>>
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>>>
>>> cell booster or gps booster?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch  wrote:
>>>

 Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read
 the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We
 had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn
 thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working
 in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
 windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
 the windows with RF film.



 *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
 www.plexicomm.net  *
 * Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109  | Fax:
 1.866.852.4688 *
   *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713  |
 sam...@plexicomm.net 
 *





 -- Original Message --
 From: "Adam Moffett" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"


 It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use the
 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
 transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.

 Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to reset
 the power.


 On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

 For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these don't
 seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long time
 to get a lock.

 On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately,
> from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick 
> up
> 6 satellites while standing in a central hallway 15'+ from any window.
> Should be accurate enough to get a location within 75'.
>
> All bets are off if it is a concrete framed apartment building or
> something like that.
>
> I still find it amazing that anything works at -162 RSL. Thanks to
> tiny channel size and very basic modulation.
>  On Feb 8, 2016 6:46 PM, "Bill Prince" <
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>
>>  Canopy NAT seems to break it with regularity. It might also fail if
>> the GPS location that it reports is not within a 1/4 mile of where the
>> customer address is.
>>
>> Also requires enough GPS (like near a window) to get a GPS lock.
>>
>> bp
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Oh Yes......

[Josh Luthman]

Hah!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 9, 2016 9:44 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> thats not how this works, thats not how any of this works
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> just kidding...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:38 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 mine is special and better

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I unfriend you
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> The Force 200 doesn't have a ptp sync model.  It'll do eptp which is
>> low latency no sync.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I received my Cambium Force 200 PTP  today..Hope to install this
>>> later this week.in an RF hostile path
>>> I have to download manual now
>>> There will be pictures...
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>
>

>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

[Josh Luthman]

4 floors on concrete and chicken wire between me and the roof.  Which is
just foot thick concrete. And then some stones and the rubber mat roof
stuff.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 9, 2016 9:42 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> It's an SMB connector, but again I find it really had to believe that if
> you stick it outside until you get a good sync and power it down that it
> won't resync indoors, I've never tried inside of a nuclear bunker, but in
> normal houses and offices with tile and metal roofs I've never had one
> issue.
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Something like that. All I recall is it was ~~ 1/4" or so in
>> diameter. Don't quote me on that. I am disavowing all knowledge.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/9/2016 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> MCM as in MMC? Like MMCX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> The Verizon cell extender (made by Samsung) has a little connector
>>> (don't recall the type, but it's about the size of MCM or so). Put a wire
>>> on the end of the coax, and you're there.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/9/2016 10:33 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>>
>>> How did you get a GPS antenna from the roof to the SCS box?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, samuel  wrote:
>>>
 Verizon's Samsung SCS series 3G and 4G Network Extender is what I was
 dealing with.  We had to run our own GPS antenna from the roof down to the
 basement to get the damn thing to sync properly.

 As an aside, I didn't realize the Low E windows were code now, and this
 is a very newly renovated building.  Will keep that in mind!



 -- Sam Kirsch, Network Tech Support
 Plexicomm Internet Solutions
 Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
 1.866.852.4688

 sam...@plexicomm.net | Emergency Support:
 1.866.759.9713


 --
 -Original Message-
 From: "Jaime Solorza" < 
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
 To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com>
 Date: 02/09/16 10:39 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"

 cell booster or gps booster?

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390


 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Sam Kirsch 
 wrote:

>
> Pull out a GPS App on your phone and make sure you can actually read
> the satellites from behind the window (I used 'GPS Test' on Android). We
> had to install one of these boosters and were troubleshooting why the damn
> thing wasn't working when I noticed that my phone GPS receiver was working
> in rooms where the windows were open and not working in rooms where the
> windows were closed. Building management didn't even know they'd purchased
> the windows with RF film.
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> * Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109  |
> Fax: 1.866.852.4688 *
>   *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713  |
>  sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/9/2016 9:50:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon "network extender"
>
>
> It might not be just a matter of getting the location. If they use the
> 1pps clock from GPS to calibrate an oscillator before they start
> transmitting, then it would legitimately take 20-30 minutes.
>
> Telrad BTS's are like that too. Pisses me off if I ever have to reset
> the power.
>
>
> On 2/9/2016 12:12 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> For whatever reason, the receivers that they use in some of these
> don't seem to be "modern" at all. They frequently take an excessively long
> time to get a lock.
>
> On Monday, February 8, 2016, Eric Kuhnke < 
> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Modern GPS receivers work surprisingly well, if not very accurately,
>> from inside a single floor wood framed house... My oneplus one will pick 
>> up
>> 6 satellites while standing in a 

Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees

[Jeremy]

Rise (the artist formerly known as Digis) has a $2.27 'Carrier Recovery
Fee' on top of all of the USF, e911, and such.  Maybe this is the same
mystery fee?  They also have $1.50 ATA rental and $7.50 radio rentalbut
who needs to put all of that crap in their marketing??  Maybe we are all
supposed to be charging this magical fee.  Maybe someday the 'carrier
recovery' goons are going to stop by with baseball bats looking for their
cut.  You never know

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I don’t know if you are literally referring to the modem rental fee, or
> the latest FCC thing which is the Set Top Box rental fee.
>
> I have a sliver of sympathy for the cable companies on the STB, when
> people quote how much the cost has gone up over some time period like the
> last 10 years.
>
> I think they’re forgetting how little a STB did 10 years ago compared to
> today.  Most notably incorporating a DVR and a whole bunch of tuners so you
> can record 4, 6, 10 shows plus watch TV.  We used to spend something like
> $200 for an external TiVO with much less functionality.
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Centurylink Bogus Fees
>
> Comcast gets slammed over the modem rental fee.  Do a web search (assuming
> you won't use Google =) for it, it's so common even your bad search engines
> will come up with it.  If you look at any DSL/phone (land/cell)/cable bill
> the charges are only 3/4 of the actual bill.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> I was just helping my daughter setup Centurylink DSL service at her new
>> house. They advertise $29.95/month for the service, but when you call and
>> talk to the rep, there is an additional "Internet Recovery Fee" of
>> $1.99/month. When I asked for specifics about that fee, all she could say
>> was "everyone gets charged that... it's how we keep the network running and
>> stuff". I think she even tried to throw something about the FCC into the
>> conversation once.
>>
>> Amazing that they can add all these "fees" on top of the advertised price
>> and nobody has an issue with it. I don't understand why they don't just
>> advertise $1/month internet and then add $29.99/month for their "Internet
>> recovery fee". LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Dell XPS 13/15

[Darin Steffl]

I have a MacBook air for my personal computer since it has excellent
battery life.

For work, we buy the techs ThinkPad T420 or X220 laptops with SSD drives.
They are very affordable used and rock solid. X220 has great battery life
too 5+ hours, not too heavy and plenty of power and ethernet port.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I ditched optical drives many years ago. At least 6, maybe longer. USB3
> flash drives or GTFO.
>
> I can't remember the last time I had a laptop with a serial port.
>
> Ethernet is fine, otherwise I just carry a usb3 GbE dongle in my bag.
> On Feb 9, 2016 7:45 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone have the latest version of either of these laptops, the ones with
>> the "InfinityEdge" display?  Are they as cool as some of the reviews say?
>> Worth the money?  What about the UHD touch screen?  Keyboard supposedly has
>> limited travel, still OK?
>>
>> I accept not having a serial port, but it would hurt losing the Ethernet
>> port and optical drive, seems the world is going that way though.
>>
>>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Oh Yes......

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

thats not how this works, thats not how any of this works

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> just kidding...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> :(
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:38 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> mine is special and better
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
 I unfriend you

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> The Force 200 doesn't have a ptp sync model.  It'll do eptp which is
> low latency no sync.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> I received my Cambium Force 200 PTP  today..Hope to install this
>> later this week.in an RF hostile path
>> I have to download manual now
>> There will be pictures...
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>

>>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Oh Yes......

[Jaime Solorza]

haha
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> thats not how this works, thats not how any of this works
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> just kidding...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> :(
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:38 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 mine is special and better

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I unfriend you
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> The Force 200 doesn't have a ptp sync model.  It'll do eptp which is
>> low latency no sync.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Feb 9, 2016 9:34 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I received my Cambium Force 200 PTP  today..Hope to install this
>>> later this week.in an RF hostile path
>>> I have to download manual now
>>> There will be pictures...
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>
>

>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] R13.4.1 Beta Update - For PMP 100 and 430, PTP 100 and 230

[Matt Mangriotis]

We just released a new beta load for R13.4.1.

There are a ton of bug fixes and stability improvements, and this is a release 
candidate for the final software release for these products.  We would really 
appreciate anyone interested to go download this and run it through its paces, 
especially if you’ve had any issues.

NOTE: This is NOT for 450 platform devices (we’re working on an update to 
R14.1.2, which is coming next).

Software can be found here: 
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp100/beta

Forum discussion for this is here: 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/Beta-Software-13-4-1-Build14-for-PMP100-PTP100-PMP430-and-PTP230/m-p/49839

Brief Release Notes (copied here for your convenience):

13.4.1 (Build 14) has the following improvements and fixes:
• Fixed an issue where AP resets after a user logs in, when Authentication 
is set to “Remote” or “Remote then  Local” and Accounting is 
enabled without configuring all three Accounting servers.
• whispGPSInSync and whispGPSOutSync traps are repeatedly sent out when the 
radio loses sync
• Config file: Shared secret of RADIUS server does not export correctly
• Unable to ping from the telnet interface of an SM in NAT mode to a PC 
connected to it on its LAN interface
Enhancements:
• Configurable option to allow ICC connected SM to use the AP’s Mgmt VID 
instead of the SM’s own Mgmt VID
• Updates to Event Logs for Radio Reset Cause
• Display IP of the RADIUS Authentication Server of each SM on the Session 
Status list
• “Aiming” page (previously Alignment Tab). The Aiming page is similar to 
spectrum analyzer where the SM will scan and list all scanned APs on its page 
(and the AP Evaluation page) but will not come into session with any APs. Two 
modes of operation are supported:
  o Single Frequency Only: The SM will scan only the configured 
frequency and list all scanned APs
  o Normal Frequency Scan List: The SM will scan all checked 
frequencies and list all scanned APs
Fixes and enhancements included in previous 13.4.1 beta release builds:

Defect Fixes:
 • SNMP OID GetChanBandWidthFlash returns the correct Chanel Bandwidth for 
SMs
 • NAT Port Mapping now works properly with Configuration File
 • Memory corruption that may occur when using RADIUS
 • Importing/exporting of the Authentication Key now works properly with 
Configuration File
 • 900MHz FSK and OFDM frame alignment fixes
 • P8 radios now correctly load 13.4.1
 • Fix bug where DHCP Option 81 is incorrectly populated
 • Fixed “varbind error” in CNUT

Enhancements:
• GUI Option for FreeRun to work at boot up
• Minor Configuration File changes
• Trap for GPS Sync loss will now be sent if the radio is rebooted.
• Interference Stats now available on the SM
• Update to the reboot message in the event log caused by CNUT
• Syslog Improvements
• Disconnect and Stop messages are now supported in RADIUS
• Jitter Stats now available on PMP 100 SMs