[AFMUG] 3.65GHz NN License

[Chuck Hogg]

Does anyone have one for sale?  Hit me up offline.  Thanks!

Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Chuck Hogg]

Most of the problems I have dealt with in FCC actions have been non-WISP
operators using UBNT equipment capable of being operated in the TDWR
bands.  One was a storage unit, they modified the radio configuration
because they couldn't reliably get good rates for their camera system.  The
storage unit had no idea what was going on because a consultant did it for
them.  Essentially, the FCC agent forced them to shut the system down as
they didn't even have a login for the device.

I know of another instance involving a LED sign company using UBNT gear.
Again, the store had no idea what was going on.  The company who installed
the sign didn't even realize what they were doing.

With the advent of WISP gear on Amazon and other various sources on how to
easily deploy this gear, there are lots of outside interference problems
both legal and illegal that are caused by non-WISP operators.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The problem with audits is that they prove you've done something wrong.
> Some places care about intention to make things right and some places just
> care that it was ever wrong.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 2, 2018 9:54:33 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>
> And lends more credibility to the industry as a whole
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018, 9:47 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> There's a bit more than four rules...
>>
>> In 5ghz alone, there's EIRP in UNII-1, UNII-2 and UNII-3, which are all
>> different, then there's PtP vs PtMP.
>> Then there are the registration requirements and EIRP limits in 3.65ghz,
>> which 75% of operates seem to either have very little understanding of, or
>> just plain ignore. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of
>> operators who don't even understand how to calculate EIRP properly... just
>> the other day, I saw somebody on the Baicells facebook group that thought
>> they could use a 10 watt 3.65ghz eNB in the US because a lawyer told them
>> that they could use up to 25 watts...
>>
>> But the purpose of an audit would be to have somebody check over all your
>> stuff and make sure that you actually have everything setup to conform to
>> the rules - whether it be because of poor understanding of the rules, or
>> just to check for mistakes, it would be a very useful service.
>>
>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 6:21 AM, Matt Hoppes > rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why do you need an audit?  There are like 4 rules to follow.
>>>
>>> EIRP for:
>>> 900mhz
>>> 2.4GHz
>>> 3.65GHz
>>> 5GHz
>>>
>>> Add power plus antenna.
>>>
>>> On May 2, 2018, at 01:15, Steve Jones  wrote:
>>>
>>> wanna get some interesting offlist hate mail? start naming names of
>>> vendors who sell non US to the US market on the AFMUG list. they watch.
>>> because theyre fucking scumbags.. I hope this operator gets fucked, and I
>>> hope they ultimately seek out the vendor and nail them somehow as well. Im
>>> dealing with some 3ghz nonsense right now, had to kill an AP today over it,
>>> Ill almost guarantee the operator has a non US nanobridge up.I got one once
>>> and when I started wondering, the vendor offlisted me, because they sold me
>>> some nonsense. I do my best to operate legally, and if Im not sure I dont
>>> operate or operate under power. You check my network, if you find something
>>> out of whack its operator error (me, as in I messed up) not operator
>>> dickheadedness. If WISPA were worth its salt they would offer a
>>> "certification" like i mentioned many times previously, where they would
>>> come in for an at cost audit. But sometimes I dont think WISPA is actually
>>> interested in our industry actually looking "professional"
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 6:30 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 I remember Sterling's find was originally $25K.  Not sure what he
 eventually settled at.

 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
 Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 2:21 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

 I'm pretty sure Microserv had a fine over a misconfigured Mikrotik.  I
 seem to think it was $25k, but my memory isn't perfect.
 I'd be 

Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg

[Chuck Hogg]

The 13.5 tends to squish a little more than 11.  If it sits outside long
enough, it is a bit more brittle too.  We've had some minor issues where
plowing in rocky areas and the rocks can sometimes squish it.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:18 PM,  wrote:

> You get 5000 feet on 7 foot reels too.  It is lighter.  Lots of good
> reasons to use it.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, April 20, 2018 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg
>
> I don't know jack about the duct, but 2c per foot?  $2,000 over 20 miles.
>
> If you still need the thicker wall in some circumstances, then you might
> lose two grand in the cost of stocking and shipping and handling two rolls
> of tube vs one roll of tube.
>
> The first time somebody brings the wrong roll to a job site and has to go
> back, then you've lost more than two grand of productivity.  Seems like it
> couldn't be worth it to me.  But I don't know jack.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/20/2018 11:11:36 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT One for the borg
>
>
> I am considering using some SDR 13.5 duct where I have always used SDR11
> before.
>
> The DR stands for diameter ratio.  Ratio between wall thickness and outer
> diameter (I think).  Higher numbers mean thinner wall thickness.
>
> Others use the 13.5 unless they get into rocky areas.  I am a bit gunshy
> as the cost is only about 2 cents per foot different.
> Anyone here have any experiences they can relate?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25 on metal building

[Chuck Hogg]

I've always done 80% of the height for the farthest distance of the guy
wires.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 9:55 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> So you guys convinced me to build on the dirt, much easier. Now what is
> the smallest span of guys I can get away with? I want to do 12 sections of
> 25G and I can guy it 3 or 4 times, I'm assuming 4 is better. I really want
> to keep the guys in as close as possible to save the valuable farming space
> I have, so what is the guy span from the tower base that would be
> recommended ? "how low can i go?" (without making any safety issues, this
> tower will only have 4 sectors and a 2ft dish at 40ft).
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ
>
> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:32 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> I would tell you that you are waisting money. 2 sections are going to
>> cost you a lot less and be a better long term solution than mounting a
>> tower on a building. You can use a house bracket near the top depending on
>> your building design and start your guy calculations from that point.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 9:22 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm building a 40x40 or possibly 50x60 steel building. I would like to
>>> install a guyed 25g on the peak (about 20ft peak from ground level with
>>> 16ft walls)
>>>
>>> If I guy off 4 times how high can I go?
>>>
>>> Any way to do 100ft or ten sections ? I'm assuming my guy span isn't far
>>> out enough.
>>>
>>> I know what's on the drawings but I am looking for some real world
>>> feedback
>>>
>>> Thank you very much
>>>
>>> TJ
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Chuck Hogg]

I'd just call them, they probably order and drop ship from Comstar.  Also,
it's a huge time saver when you're doing fiber conduit...so the price tag
is worth it.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:

> Out of stock...  & the price puts it on the... Hmmm what should I do with
> this wad  toys list...
>
> On 03/31/2018 06:34 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
>> http://www.georgiaunderground.net/products/turboslitter-cord
>> less-drill-attachment.html
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com > i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Where did you buy it?  Didn't find help on the web...
>>
>> On 3/30/18 6:07 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> Yep, that's what we have...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Carl Peterson
>> <cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
>> <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com
>> <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>  Get the right tool.
>> https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202
>> <https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202>
>>  <https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202
>> <https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202>>
>>
>>
>>  On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Steve Jones
>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>  <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>  i broke one of those on too heavy of steel
>>
>>
>>  On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Start at the end and just munch your way down the
>> side.
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>  Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:42 AM
>>  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>
>>  Never used one.
>>  How well could you cut a straight slot through the
>> pipe with that?
>>
>>
>>  -- Original Message --
>>  From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
>>  <mailto:part15...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>
>>  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>  Sent: 3/30/2018 11:29:13 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>
>>  I like this one.
>>
>> https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-
>> Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1
>> <https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-
>> Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1>
>> <https://www.grainger.com/prod
>> uct/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1
>> <https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-
>> Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1>>
>>
>>  bp
>>  <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>  On 3/30/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>  <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/
>> dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6&
>> keywords=sheet+metal+nibbler
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling
>> /dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6&
>> keywords=sheet+metal+nibbler>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Premiu
>> m-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=
>> UTF8=1522423141=

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Chuck Hogg]

http://www.georgiaunderground.net/products/turboslitter-cordless-drill-attachment.html

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> Where did you buy it?  Didn't find help on the web...
>
> On 3/30/18 6:07 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
>> Yep, that's what we have...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Carl Peterson <
>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Get the right tool. https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202
>> <https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> i broke one of those on too heavy of steel
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Start at the end and just munch your way down the side.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:42 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>>
>>> Never used one.
>>> How well could you cut a straight slot through the pipe with
>>> that?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 3/30/2018 11:29:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>>
>>> I like this one.
>>>
>>> https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-
>>> Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1
>>> <https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-
>>> Duty-Air-Nibbler-5MRY1>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Premium
>>> -Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=
>>> UTF8=1522423141=8-6=sheet+metal+nibbler
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Premiu
>>> m-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=
>>> UTF8=1522423141=8-6=sheet+metal+nibbler>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:09 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>>
>>> Ok. What is a "nibbler"?
>>>
>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>
>>> You should use a nibbler...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones
>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> i took over the installers van while hes got
>>> broken bones, i have
>>> it pretty "organized"
>>> but the other day i had to do 7 ubnt with
>>> reflectors to epmp
>>> swaps, how does one organize that volume of
>>> dishes?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Adam Moffett
>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.
>>>
>>> I wish I had pics of my brother's Time
>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Chuck Hogg]

Yep, that's what we have...

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:

> Get the right tool.  https://www.condux.com/product.php?id=202
>
>
> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> i broke one of those on too heavy of steel
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Start at the end and just munch your way down the side.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:42 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>
>> Never used one.
>> How well could you cut a straight slot through the pipe with that?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/30/2018 11:29:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>
>> I like this one.
>>>
>>> https://www.grainger.com/product/INGERSOLL-RAND-General-Duty
>>> -Air-Nibbler-5MRY1
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2018 8:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Premium-Life-360-022-Nickel-Nibbling/
>>>> dp/B0002KRACO/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8=1522423141=8-6
>>>> rds=sheet+metal+nibbler
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 9:09 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>>>
>>>> Ok. What is a "nibbler"?
>>>>
>>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You should use a nibbler...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones <
>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i took over the installers van while hes got broken bones, i have
>>>>> it pretty "organized"
>>>>> but the other day i had to do 7 ubnt with reflectors to epmp
>>>>> swaps, how does one organize that volume of dishes?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Adam Moffett
>>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish I had pics of my brother's Time Warner Cable van.  He
>>>>> was impressively well organized.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Sent: 3/28/2018 10:44:42 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> i have a pipe on the top of the van that holds 10 foot sticks
>>>>>> so some PVC conduit would work. On that note, any trick on
>>>>>> keeping 8 or 6 foot sticks as you cut them down in the pipe
>>>>>> on top of the van without the other pipes pushing them up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Adam Moffett
>>>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tripped over these pics when looking for the fiber
>>>>>> demarc pic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve had asked last week about protecting cable from
>>>>>> dogs. I do this for weed trimmers, but a longer piece
>>>>>> ought to limit canine access as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cut the slot in the conduit so I can slip it over an
>>>>>> already installed cable.  I did that one on the bumper
>>>>>> with an angle grinder, but a table saw might be safer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_sou
>>>>> rce=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free.
>>>>> www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-sign
>>>>> ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-emai
>>>>> l_content=emailclient>
>>>>>
>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Chuck Hogg]

You should use a nibbler...

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i took over the installers van while hes got broken bones, i have it
> pretty "organized"
> but the other day i had to do 7 ubnt with reflectors to epmp swaps, how
> does one organize that volume of dishes?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.
>>
>> I wish I had pics of my brother's Time Warner Cable van.  He was
>> impressively well organized.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/28/2018 10:44:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>
>> i have a pipe on the top of the van that holds 10 foot sticks so some PVC
>> conduit would work. On that note, any trick on keeping 8 or 6 foot sticks
>> as you cut them down in the pipe on top of the van without the other pipes
>> pushing them up?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I tripped over these pics when looking for the fiber demarc pic.
>>>
>>> Steve had asked last week about protecting cable from dogs. I do this
>>> for weed trimmers, but a longer piece ought to limit canine access as well.
>>>
>>> I cut the slot in the conduit so I can slip it over an already installed
>>> cable.  I did that one on the bumper with an angle grinder, but a table saw
>>> might be safer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] More important things

[Chuck Hogg]

Billions is awesome


Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 2:30 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Homeland tonightwow
> Just when you think they've done it allto put Carrie in those
> situations...
>
> Or heck to let Carrie put herself in those situations..
>
> Sent from my smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] More important things
> Date: Sun, Mar 25, 2018 5:08 PM
>
> So tonight is big for TV.
> Billions
> Barry
> Silicon Valley
>
> Any others?
> Of course Homeland.
> And if like Homeland, you will probably also like The Looming Towers.
>
> I read the book years ago.  Book was dry and academic.  The TV show is
> pretty good.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Chuck Hogg]

;>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:
>>>>>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Adam Moffett
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The
>>>>>>>> requirement
>>>>>>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
>>>>>>>> exceed 20Km."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long
>>>>>>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that
>>>>>>>> into the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber.  Example, if we were using 
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> 144 count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into.  After a few miles
>>>>>>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 
>>>>>>>> splitter
>>>>>>>> to ribbons 10-12.  We just keep doing this until we run out of light
>>>>>>>> budget.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max
>>>>>>>> usage per port.  Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our 
>>>>>>>> ports.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:
>>>>>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *--Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe I need to review the math.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route.  I
>>>>>>>> didn't compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought
>>>>>>>> every fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus 
>>>>>>>> ethernet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32
>>>>>>>> split.  Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:
>>>>>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *--Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile).  As I'm
>>>>>>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I 
>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 
>>>>>>>> times
>>>>>>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 
>>>>>>>> or so
>>>>>>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just
>>>>>>>> aren't seeming to work out for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch
>>>>>>>> to PON some day if I want to.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past
>>>>>>>> 15 years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say 
>>>>>>>> "never". In
>>>>>>>> AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to 
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Adam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few reasons...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Port cost is still fairly high.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More splicing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More fiber required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Larger chassis required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More power required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More battery backup required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON
>>>>>>>> capacity in most places.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product
>>>>>>>> with Zhone is different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN...  or maybe it was
>>>>>>>> DASAN that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't
>>>>>>>> remember which.  ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be
>>>>>>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other 
>>>>>>>> suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
>>>>>>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of
>>>>>>>> them:
>>>>>>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_2014052017
>>>>>>>> 4927.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Jason
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Chuck Hogg]

Yes, before I was on the Board at WISPA, they had hosted "manufacturer"
listservs.  Chuck, was the moderator of the list for "motorola" at the
time, and his list was moved over.  I wanted to host a MikroTik@ list, as I
was a vendor at the time for WISPA.  That's when sh!t hit the fan, some
other distributors got butthurt, and WISPA decided that the motorola list
wasn't Chuck M's, and the MikroTik list wasn't mine anymore.  I notified
Chuck M of the pending issues and how my list was getting ripped from under
me...and before WISPA could notify Chuck M that his list was going to be
taken over, Chuck M converted it to the AFMUG list, shut down the
motorola@wispa list and the AFMUG list was born.  A...the memories :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:23 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Yes, Michael Anderson. He got pissed about the OT stuff on the motorola@
> list. IIRC, shortly after the I QUIT incident, the list server went down
> and he said it was a h/w failure (while out of town? I don't remember if
> that was the case) and finally brought it back up. But it was too late and
> AFMUG was born. More accurately, the "Motorola II" list was born, and I
> believe that was hosted for a short time on the WISPA list serv?
>
> I think the combination of WISPAmerica and Animal Farm is great.
>
> On 2/13/2018 4:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
>> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
>>
>> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t
>> recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day
>> Michael was mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email -
>> and that was pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think
>> that was during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
>>
>> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG
>> at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola
>> specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
>>
>> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s
>> Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of
>> hosting it.
>>
>> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of
>> people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably
>> shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky)
>> but everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say
>> things I can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say
>> without blowback to WISPA).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a
>>> year.
>>>
>>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>>>
>>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>>>
>>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>>>
>>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>>> happening again.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>>
>>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>>>
>>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in
>>> extremely
>>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

[Chuck Hogg]

We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with
Zhone is different.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN
> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember
> which.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>
> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be anywhere
> near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>
> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>
> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
>
> -Jason
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Easy pass thru RJ45s heavy gold plated

[Chuck Hogg]

Are these knock-off EZ-RJ45 connectors?

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 10:42 AM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I believe the terms of the patents protecting the EZ-RJ45 connector design
> have not yet expired.
>
>
> --
>
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 5:29 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Easy to install RJ45 connectors, plated in rare 50 micron GOLD, most
>> connectors are only plated with 3 micron of gold.
>>
>> Rated for CAT5E but CAT6 seems to fit and work well. Thousands deployed
>> in the field over the last 12 months prior to offering these for sale. Fits
>> tough cable carrier.
>>
>> Pics;
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxHZtFLNWX_OWU9QTzY5bkNSNzg
>>
>> $40 / 100 sheilded
>> $350 / 1000 shielded (Free Shipping)
>>
>> $30 / 100 unshielded
>> $250 / 1000 unshielded (Free Shipping)
>>
>> contact offlist / paypal t...@pcguys.us
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf

[Chuck Hogg]

How much capacity is one cell?

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 12:18 PM,  wrote:

> So how do you know if you lose a cell?
>
> I am on my third leaf.  All of them leases.
> There is enough improvement in the technology every two years that I am
> not planning to purchase.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Friday, December 22, 2017 10:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nissan Leaf
>
>
> So got our new Leaf with the 2017 30Kw battery and lost a cell by 8800
> miles.  Talked to Nissan and they basically told me to pound sand.  Have to
> wait for 4 cells to die before they do anything.  Glad we bought the car
> for the extended mileage over the 24Kw battery and then “it’s gone”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net*
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BTC 12k+

[Chuck Hogg]

I'm waiting for the Coinbase hack...that will really hit hard since they
are handling more transactions than Mastercard.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> how many people who believe this as a "currency" are missing FDIC
> insurance today?
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea, we're affected by NiceHash as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of hacks... I've been selling hashing power to Nicehash, woke
>>> up this morning and my miner isn't running... hmm.
>>>
>>> Nicehash's wallet all got emptied to a unknown address (at least unknown
>>> to us, the users). 60 million worth of BTC. I was about half way to my pay
>>> out (minimum 0.01 BTC per payout). No official word yet, tread carefully...
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I sold 110 coins about 3 years ago and took a huge loss. I got back in
>>>> at $6,400/btc and sold at $9,800. Then I got back in at $10,500 and just
>>>> sold this morning at $12,700.
>>>>
>>>> It scares the hell out of me to have money sitting there, especially
>>>> when it could crash while I'm asleep at night... but it's also so addictive
>>>> to make huge returns (16% after fees, etc. just this month).
>>>>
>>>> It's a huge bubble. There is nothing to support it. When you buy in,
>>>> you are counting on someone willing to pay you more than you paid for it,
>>>> but for no good reason. It's the .COM era again, except without the .COM.
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/6/2017 2:28 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Still crying over the 85 I sold at $1k each� you still have?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/5/17, 10:37 PM, "Af on behalf of Travis Johnson"
>>>>> <af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of t...@ida.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How high can it go?? When do you sell?? What's a "fair" return??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Travis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] BTC 12k+

[Chuck Hogg]

Yea, we're affected by NiceHash as well.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Speaking of hacks... I've been selling hashing power to Nicehash, woke up
> this morning and my miner isn't running... hmm.
>
> Nicehash's wallet all got emptied to a unknown address (at least unknown
> to us, the users). 60 million worth of BTC. I was about half way to my pay
> out (minimum 0.01 BTC per payout). No official word yet, tread carefully...
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> I sold 110 coins about 3 years ago and took a huge loss. I got back in at
>> $6,400/btc and sold at $9,800. Then I got back in at $10,500 and just sold
>> this morning at $12,700.
>>
>> It scares the hell out of me to have money sitting there, especially when
>> it could crash while I'm asleep at night... but it's also so addictive to
>> make huge returns (16% after fees, etc. just this month).
>>
>> It's a huge bubble. There is nothing to support it. When you buy in, you
>> are counting on someone willing to pay you more than you paid for it, but
>> for no good reason. It's the .COM era again, except without the .COM. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/2017 2:28 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> Still crying over the 85 I sold at $1k each� you still have?
>>>
>>> On 12/5/17, 10:37 PM, "Af on behalf of Travis Johnson"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> How high can it go?? When do you sell?? What's a "fair" return??

 Travis


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?

[Chuck Hogg]

A friend of mine buys overstock/clearance stuff at the stores and ships to
Amazon.  She probably does close to 3k (quantity) in items per month and
she net's approximately $2 each on the small stuff and up to $10 on the
bigger stuff.  I know she is making 6 figures doing it.

Example:  We were at a soccer game the Halloween week.  She left and went
shopping.  She hit every Target/WalMart in a 30 mile radius, and came back
a few hours later.  The entire back of her SUV was full of candy.  Her
words, "That's roughly $3,000 in profit right there", and she did it in a
few hours of downtime.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:43 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> seems "everyone" now sells through amazonand other distribs...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 6:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> Have you tried Amazon for distribution?
>
>
>
> I have no idea how that works, but I do notice a large variety of odd
> things now available via amazon, some with free 2-day shipping.
>
>
>
> Honestly, the distro model is dead except the large players like Amazon
> now, and good riddance.
>
>
>
> At least Amazon can have some accountability and rating/feedback that
> helps buyers etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 5, 2017 3:32 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
>
>
> I'm getting really sick of distributors asking me for a deep discount,
> extended length net terms, and to drop ship all of their orders to their
> customers.  There's a reason why we haven't gone down this path.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Distributors that dont maintain accurate web based on hand/out of stock
> are the devils condom. I hate them. The only thing worse is the ones that
> lie and you get an order in with a "drop ship from mfg" F those guys, they
> take your money right quick, thats for sure
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 10:27 AM,  wrote:
>
> We offer dry storage, sequestered inventory and order fulfillment to all
> distributors so they can stock at our warehouse, ship from our warehouse,
> and keep from paying double freight (for the galvanized steel parts).  Some
> take advantage of this and some don't.
>
> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> We try, our restock level is approx equivalent to a 30 day inventory, but
> we
> are constantly having runs on one particular part or another and then when
> a
> distributor wants something dropped we don't have it and they attempt to
> blame us.
>
> The main reason to use a two tier distribution network is so that the
> distributors have inventory, not us.  That is how they add value.
> Otherwise
> I would just sell direct.
>
> We build to forecast and to order but the channel that stocks is the
> channel
> that gets the sales.
>
> Some of our distributors are much better than than others with this.
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:22 AM
> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Jeff Evans query?
>
> Wouldn't this be on you to make sure you have proper stock levels to
> absorb the 20-30 day time frames?
>
> I know there have been times when I've waited to get mounts because they
> were drop shipping but "we didn't know when the supplier would have the
> parts in".
>
> On 12/5/17 11:14 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I got a note from a guy saying that Jeff Evans was looking for stock on
> our tower mount products.
> Some of our distributors stock, some don’t.  We have most of the stuff on
> our e-commerce site but it is MSRP.  You get discounts from going to the
> distributors.
> Not sure if there was a specific product in question or not.  I don’t have
> visibility into the inventory levels of my distributors so I can never
> answer as to what they may or may not have.  If you hit me off list I can
> give an opinion as to who may have them.
> I will say this: those distributors that do stock sell much more than
> those that don’t and expect us to drop ship for them.  We may not always
> have the stuff depending on production cycles.  We have a huge unknown in
> the cycle due to the galvanization.  Sometimes the company that dips the
> parts can turn them around in 2-3 days, other times it is 20 or 30 days.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
> Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
>   
>   

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

[Chuck Hogg]

Just got an email saying my model 3 shipment is delayed again.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:13 PM,  wrote:

> If it drops below 300, might be time to buy.  250 for certain.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Chuck Hogg]

The value of WISPA goes well beyond the conferences...the conferences fund
the purpose of WISPA, which is to continue to advocate for our industry in
Washington at both the house/senate congressional and FCC levels.  WISPA
advocates on your industry's behalf.  The conferences and lists are how we
bring everyone together to fulfill the mission.  The likes of Mark
Radabaugh, Alex Phillips, Jimmy Carr, and many more before us have
volunteered to participate on your behalf advocating for your industry.
You either support that concept or act on your own behalf.

Awareness wise is hard.  We've completed multiple different methods of
outreach to potential members over the last 5 years, and this year has been
our most successful.  There was an increase of 154 new principle members
this past year.  That represents a pretty substantial increase.  That's
largely in part to the membership/sales coordinator that was hired.  The
other problem is that there is a lot of consolidation in the industry as
well.

I welcome the input, keep it coming :)

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> "it's"
>
> On Oct 17, 2017 1:06 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, awareness is terrible. What do you expect from a bunch of tech guys?
> marketing?  :-p
>
> The work in Washington provides more value than the conferences.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 17, 2017 1:00:20 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>
> two things:
>
> 1) awareness of the organization and it's purpose is terrible
>
> 2) how much value can the organization provide to those who don't or can't
> go to conferences?
>
> On Oct 17, 2017 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Only 588 Principle Members? We've gotta figure out how to get more of
>> those US WISPs to join.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:23:08 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>>
>> 1880+ attendees at the show
>> 
>> Membership totals for 2017 as of WISPAPALOOZA
>> 150 Vendors
>> 588 Principle Members
>> 6 Associate
>> 10 Advisory
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I sent a private message about ten days ago letting you know we can send
>>> Luke down for a week. (if needed)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In terms of the show, I never did hear member numbers…only the number
>>> attending.
>>>
>>> I want to know membership numbers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>> *739 Commerce Dr.
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%0D+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>*
>>> *Franklin, IN 46131
>>> <ht

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Chuck Hogg]

1880+ attendees at the show

Membership totals for 2017 as of WISPAPALOOZA
150 Vendors
588 Principle Members
6 Associate
10 Advisory

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Tyson Burris  wrote:

> I sent a private message about ten days ago letting you know we can send
> Luke down for a week. (if needed)
>
>
>
> In terms of the show, I never did hear member numbers…only the number
> attending.
>
> I want to know membership numbers.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.
> *
> *Franklin, IN 46131
> *
>
> *Daytime #* *317-738-0320 <(317)%20738-0320> *
> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 <(317)%20412-1540> *
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
> [image: ICI]
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 15, 2017 3:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>
>
>
> I can take asome help in! And I need it!
>
>
>
> Problem is housing! All hotels are booked by FEMA/FEDS …
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Andreas Wiatowski <
> andr...@silowireless.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 3:00 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>
>
>
> I put our name in with Brian Webster, myself and a couple climbers…have
> not heard anything as of yet.
>
>
>
> I could not imagine the stress.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 <(866)%20727-4138>
>
> http://www.silowireless.com
>
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> *From: *Af  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 2:53 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>
>
>
> I was just going to ask if Gino was receiving freight  yet.
>
> And is there anything we need to send or do to help.
>
>
>
> Pretty helpless sitting here with no boots on the ground.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> *From:* Andreas Wiatowski
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 15, 2017 12:51 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>
>
>
> Hi Gino,
>
>
>
> Carbon fibre towers – Around 6k for 100ft.  Expected inventory after
> December.  Guy and self support upwards to 300ft.  I found this pretty
> cool…and if they get  small enough lattice…say 9”..then client towers for a
> UE at inexpensive pricepoint is pretty neat. The nice thing is less builing
> expense… could stack a tower without a crane or gin pole.
>
>
>
> Cambium is making a 60Ghz PTMP system.  Probably be ready for next
> Wispapalooza…
>
>
>
> Otherwise, I agree, nothing knocked my socks off…
>
>
>
> BTW – Bicom was there..finally.
>
>
>
> Did you get your gear yet?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600 <(866)%20727-4138>
>
> http://www.silowireless.com
>
> Wireless | Fibre | VoIP | PBX | IPTV
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Prototype #2:

[Chuck Hogg]

There's a low carb pizza made out of chicken... I forget the name but it's
in the local grocery store.
Here's a recipe
https://www.heyketomama.com/best-low-carb-chicken-pizza-crust/

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

>
> Yum

Re: [AFMUG] Pai is not getting the love

[Chuck Hogg]

She's hardly an advocate for Pai, very much the opposite in my opinion.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> from the bottom of the article it says the author is...
>
> "*Gigi Sohn served as **c**ounselor to former FCC chairman Tom Wheeler
> from November 2013 to December 2016**."*
>
> so yeah of course she isn't going to like what Pai is doing lol
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/27/16374136/ajit-pai-fcc-net
>> -neutrality-isp
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> th Street •
>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.”* — Humphrey Bogart
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Gino is OK...network not so much

[Chuck Hogg]

I just received texts from Gino... He is alive and well... The network is
mostly down and they will be assessing damage soon.

Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?

[Chuck Hogg]

I agree with a lot that's been said.

1. There are plenty of evangelists.  Hell, come to WISPAPALOOZA and you'll
find hundreds of them, hell they'll likely be wearing UBNT shirts!
2.  Netgear is their competition?  So very far from it.  Maybe in
AmpliFi...but what about the 4+ other lines, AirMax, AirFiber, UniFi, and
the accessories.
3.  They are one of the most successful in their core space, the WISP
market.  And all the disruptive pricing agendas pushed by UBNT have forced
competition to become more innovative.  When you had to bundle equipment
together to make a CPE work versus buying it the way we do todaythis
has not only helped the industry, but also helped UBNT.



Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> It seems to be the thing de jour for investment bankers is to short
> something and then bash it because it's about to go down.
>
> Jamie diamond kinda did the same thing with bitcoin (although I don't know
> if he was actually invested in bitcoin)
>
> 1.  Short something
> 2.  write some FUD
> 3.  Profit!!!
>
> Yay 
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:40 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Didn't somebody do this to one of the credit agencies just last week?
>>
>> Breach the company, bet on the stock going down, release the breach info,
>> profit.
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2017 7:35 PM, "Carl Peterson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> They are short UBNT.  They could look up UBNT's new address but that
>> doesn't help their case so why would they.  They shorted UBNT based on the
>> theory that it couldn't work unless it was run by a "real CEO" and
>> management team, I.e people from their club.  They got hit hard in the
>> recent run up in share price and are throwing all the mud they can find at
>> the wall in the hopes that some of it might stick.  This isn't a research
>> report by a disinterested third party.
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, there seems to be a lot of complete nonsense in there. They say
>> that nobody is going to sit on a forum helping people setup home router,
>> which may very well be true, but they seem to be assuming that the majority
>> of what Ubiquiti sells is home routers... and I'm pretty sure home routers
>> are actually a pretty tiny percentage of their sales.
>>
>> If you spend a few minutes on the UBNT forums, it's pretty clear that
>> these "evangelists" really do exist, and there are quite a few of them.
>>
>> I could be way off, but as far as I can tell, the majority of UBNT's
>> income is from unifi, airmax and airfiber... and that's a very different
>> market from what the likes of Netgear is dealing with.
>>
>> It's entirely possible that there is some kind of fraud going on, and
>> there are some points in there that are a bit worrying, but there's a lot
>> of stuff in there that makes me think they didn't do anywhere near as much
>> research into the company as they should have before writing something like
>> that.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was not convinced by the argument that they're "too successful".  Some
>>> Ubiquiti users actually *are *evangelists, in spite of Left thinking
>>> that's not possible.  They *do *have disruptive products in spite of
>>> what Mr Left thinks.  Left picked on outsourcing engineering to Latvia like
>>> that was obviously stupidwhen Latvia does in fact make electronics.  So
>>> he's clearly not infallible.
>>>
>>> If the only reason for the empty office photos is that they moved, then
>>> that's a huge oversight on Left's part.  Seemed like a smoking gun, but I
>>> assumed the person writing the report is smart enough to find Ubiquiti's
>>> current address.  Maybe I assumed wrong.
>>>
>>> The forum being full of bots and lurkers seemed bad at first pass, but
>>> in hindsight I guess all forums are full of bots and lurkers.
>>>
>>> He also claimed that the amount U.S. distributors buy from UBNT is
>>> incongruent with their claimed sales.  It could still be right if it's like
>>> 90% overseas.  Is it?  How do we know?
>>>
>>> Just askin.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/19/2017 7:21:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Is it time to buy UBNT stock?
>>>
>>> I see few points I'm worried about. They moved into a different office
>>> in SJ, I know that much. That happened maybe a year ago?
>>>
>>> Taiwan thing is worrying.
>>>
>>> I believe the Chinese mob tried to cause problems for them awhile back.
>>> Few years ago.
>>>
>>> On Sep 19, 2017 6:07 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 I wouldn't be concerned about most of those. Which points are worth
 addressing?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Link to Large Boat

[Chuck Hogg]

http://www.batswireless.com/qd/

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I dont think there is any WISP gear that supports seamless handoff. You
> could look at ruckus, which would be a snap, and I think the CNpilot stuff
> does it too.
> I guess the first thing that would need defined is seamless.
>
> I think that Telrad, at one point touted multitower connectivity, that may
> have been roadmapped, or my imagination.
>
> you could go old school ghetto fabulous and rim the lake with leaky coax,
> that would be a hoot
>
> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Carl Peterson  > wrote:
>
>> Expensive for one boat, but we use Wave Relay to do this.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Putting aside the sub question and RF for the moment, I would suggest
>>> creating a separate subnet shared across all three routers joined by EOIP
>>> for just this specific case. If the 3 routers share an upstream this might
>>> be the best place for the gateway for the subnet. This *should* let you
>>> roam across them at least without completely losing the stream. There is
>>> still rereg time. Of course, mobile protocols have this sort of thing built
>>> in so WiMAX, as much as I dislike it, and LTE both make allowances for this
>>> to different degrees. You will have to hope the rereg time doesn't exceed
>>> the buffer.
>>>
>>> The SM's flipping back and forth would be a big killer I would think.
>>> Boat hits waves, starts to rock, SM's start to flip back an forth between
>>> AP's. Sounds like something I want my competition to support instead of me.
>>> That is of course, unless there is just to much money at stake to resist.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 10:08 AM Craig House 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Stupid voice to text it should've said turn the Omni upside down. ??

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Sep 7, 2017, at 10:08, Craig House 
 wrote:
 >
 > Turning on the upside down. ??
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 > > On Sep 7, 2017, at 09:58, Dave  wrote:
 > >
 > > Ok, either I am getting to old for these crazy challenges or I am
 subjecting my self to motivation I have not figured this one out yet LOL
 > >
 > > We have a large site seeing Boat that sits on one of our lakes
 which navigates north and south of the lake and some to the east.
 > > We have 3 towers that can easily see a majority of the lake. One
 tower can see most of the north end and the other 2 can see south and east.
 > >
 > > So the challenge is to provide a content streaming connection to
 this boat which moves slowly across the lake.
 > > My answer first was use an omni on 3Ghz but the omni has downtilt
 built in so thats a no go.
 > > The plan B was to use a 4 cluster of integrated subscribers to talk
 to the towers.
 > > The next question would be if these subs are able to move from one
 ap to the next.
 > > How would you connect them to a router IE:RB493G to provide a
 single seemless connection in the boat?
 > >
 > > Im open to anything at this point. Oh yeah there is a Mobile
 hotspot for failover.
 > >
 > > I think I know the answer but wanted to see what others would do.
 > >
 > > Thanks
 > > Dave
 > >
 > > --
 > > 

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly

[Chuck Hogg]

This is what I do...works like a charm everytime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWISKfgqZ0


Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I found that dropping them in boiling water rather than bringing them to
> boil from cold made a statistically significant improvement in
> peelability.
> I did a bunch of experiments last fall on this.
>
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:23 PM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
>
>
> My wife got tired of problems peeling eggs and looked for different ways
> to do it.  The method she ended up with is to put the eggs in the pot with
> cold water and bring to a boil.  As soon as the water starts a rolling boil
> she turns the burner off, covers the pot and sets a timer for 15minutes.
> When the timer goes off she takes the eggs out and puts them in a bowl of
> cold water (preferably ice water) to chill.  This method has worked great
> for us until we got our own chickens this Summer.  We’re testing now how
> old the eggs have to be but fresh eggs definitely don’t peel well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
>
>
>
> I usually start with the eggs in the water and bring it to a boil and
> experienced the same problems mentioned. Tried the putting them directly in
> to boiling water for 12 minutes the other night, then poured off the
> boiling water and ran cold water over them and let them sit. They peel
> nicely using that method.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
>
>
>
> It also depends whether you start with eggs in the water while it's
> heating up vs adding the eggs to already boiling water.
>
> 10 minutes might be just enough if you start with the eggs already in the
> water and start the timer after you have a rolling boil.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 8/23/2017 10:46:18 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
>
>
>
> To me, hard boiled means the yolks have a slight green tint.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 23, 2017 8:32 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
>
>
>
> 17 min? I do 7min for soft boiled, 10 for hard boiled … and these are the
> organic large eggs costco sells
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 7:42 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Eggxactly
>
>
>
> I start the water heating up, once itbubbles up i drop the eggs in for 17
> minutes. Pull them out and run them under cold tap water. Perfect yellow
> yolk, easy peel. We also have really hard city water, maybe that
> mineralizes the shells so they break into bigger better peelable. If you
> stop them about 12 minutes, its a good softboiled egg... yum
>
>
>
>
>
> Our chickens are making eggs now, theyre pretty small, so im not sure how
> thise will fair
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Aug 17, 2017 8:39 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> It also helps (a lot) if they aren't the "freshest" eggs. Our neighbors
> have a couple dozen chickens that produce way more eggs than they can use,
> so we get to share the bounty. The really fresh eggs that are only a few
> days old or less will not peel worth a hoot if you boil them. They will
> peel much easier if they are a couple weeks old. It has to do with the
> membrane between the shell and the egg. white.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/17/2017 6:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Made some more eggs last night.  Very hard to peel.
> Had to go back to find this bit of research to see what I did wrong.
>
> So, drop them in boiling water with vinegar and salt helps them to be easy
> to peel.
>
> Last night I put them in cold water and brought it to a boil.
> So I did the worst method.
>
> Maybe I need to make myself a note about this and paste it in the fridge.
>
> -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Eggxactly
>
> 5 saucepans and 1 pot.
> 6 burner Comstock Castle restaurant stove.
> 24,000 BTU per burner.
>
> 1 quart of water in each.
> A bit of variability in pan sizes.
> All eggs from same carton.  Cold refrigerator temp.
>
> 4 Variables
> C/HCold Start/Hot Start
> WPlain Water
> VVinegar only added
> VS

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[Chuck Hogg]

Yea, it's fine.  It's a different syntax, but does the same stuff.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Baltic is asking quite a premium for the ZTE stuff. I may give it a shot
> through the more direct source. How is the CLI? Have you used the active
> card?
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, it's just about useless in comparison to other things of similar
>> cost like ZTE...which does all the features.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:58 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny, I was just testing a VLAN and it didn't work. Was about to dig
>>> more into it but I'm guessing it's
>>> just not working.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.
>>>>
>>>> I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support
>>>> was zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
>>>> documentation for it yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products
>>>>> (AirFiber, EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one
>>>>> (and for free).
>>>>>
>>>>> Outside of that? TBD.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> What are they doing different from any other fiber?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>> Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the
>>>>>> beta store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave
>>>>>> has an item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the
>>>>>> beta store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Chuck Hogg]

450A's and Coyotoe DTC-01's.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
wrote:

> What are you using for cases in the hand-hole in this instance?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:02 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I just bought another batch a 100 1x4 PLC Blockless Bare PLC fiber
> splitters...
>
> Here's the lowdown what that is.
>
> It's bare fiber, no 900um jacket and typically no ends.  It's 250um.
> Blockless means that you don't have the big PLC blocks that need to go in a
> case.
>
> You can also get Blockless, and not bare, with ends on it.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Unless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, I would go with
>> splitters in the splice case.  Saves a ton of money.  But you have to be
>> committed to PON.  In our method, we can make any sub active with just
>> opening the cabinet and moving a jumper.
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>
>> Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels:
>>
>> Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow
>> damage, easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be
>> visited to turn up a customer.
>>
>> Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially
>> reflection from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and
>> several other have reported no issues).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them
>> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between
>> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.
>> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too.
>>
>> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use.
>>
>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only
>> average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>>
>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>> <http://www.myakkatech.com/>
>>
>>
>> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
>> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
>> <http://www.relayforlife.org/MyakkaCityFL>
>>
>> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *--Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:*
>>
>> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I
>> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the
>> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the
>> return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that
>> direction.
>>
>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>>
>> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the
>> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off
>> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s
>> worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct
>> spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution
>> cable.
>>
>> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot
>> of drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you
>> connect those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So
>> far it has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we
>> just got lucky.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.
>> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.
>> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare
>> there too.
>> Actua

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[Chuck Hogg]

Yep, it's just about useless in comparison to other things of similar cost
like ZTE...which does all the features.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:58 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Funny, I was just testing a VLAN and it didn't work. Was about to dig more
> into it but I'm guessing it's
> just not working.
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
>
>> We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.
>>
>> I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support was
>> zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
>> documentation for it yet.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>>> Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products (AirFiber,
>>> EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one (and for
>>> free).
>>>
>>> Outside of that? TBD.
>>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>>
 I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it.
 What are they doing different from any other fiber?


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jason McKemie" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
 Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

 Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the beta
 store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an
 item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta
 store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?


>

Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters

[Chuck Hogg]

I just bought another batch a 100 1x4 PLC Blockless Bare PLC fiber
splitters...

Here's the lowdown what that is.

It's bare fiber, no 900um jacket and typically no ends.  It's 250um.
Blockless means that you don't have the big PLC blocks that need to go in a
case.

You can also get Blockless, and not bare, with ends on it.


Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:45 AM,  wrote:

> Unless you are in high density subdivisions like I am, I would go with
> splitters in the splice case.  Saves a ton of money.  But you have to be
> committed to PON.  In our method, we can make any sub active with just
> opening the cabinet and moving a jumper.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 9:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> Direct splice versus cabinets and patch panels:
>
> Direct splice is less expensive, reduces vulnerability to vehicle/plow
> damage, easy to test the drop cable, and only a single location needs to be
> visited to turn up a customer.
>
> Cons are increased difficulty in troubleshooting and potentially
> reflection from unterminated cable (though I have not seen issues and
> several other have reported no issues).
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 10:44 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Now that I think of it, all of our splitters are in cross boxes with them
> appearing on patch panels in the neighborhoods.  We insert a patch between
> the splitter output to the strand going to the house during install time.
> Each strand to the homes have their own place on the patch panel too.
>
> So, all of our splitter outputs are unterminated unless they are in use.
>
> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 8:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> Chuck,
>
> We must have over 100 splitters installed that way.  I would say we only
> average about 20 users on a 1x32.  We haven't seen any issues either.
>
>
>
> *-- Best regards,Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
>
> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com 
>
>
> *Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life*
> http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL
> 
>
> *Please Donate at Please Donate at *http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html
>
>
>
>
> *--Friday, August 11, 2017, 9:48:53 AM, you wrote:*
>
> So far, I have not encountered a problem caused by unterminated lines.  I
> think it is due to the fact that it is frequency division duplex and the
> transmit reflections not only have to experience splitter loss on the
> return trip but there are no receivers looking for energy in that
> direction.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2017 7:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> I have use the ‘bare’ FS PLC splitters before.   I can’t recall if the
> pigtails had color or were just numbered but they are coated and strip off
> exactly the same as the regular 250um acrylic coating.   For what it’s
> worth they fit nicely into a Tyco A or B size splice tray.   we direct
> spliced one into a case and terminated all 32 outputs onto the distribution
> cable.
>
> I don’t know that I would do that again simple because it creates a lot of
> drops with no control over the reflection at the far end until you connect
> those strands to customer houses or another termination panel.   So far it
> has not created any operation issues but to some extent I think we just got
> lucky.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017, at 11:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> When you strip it, it sure looks bare.  All the color is gone.
> After you strip it, you wipe it off with an alcohol wipe.
> And then when you see it in the fusion splicer screen, it looks bare there
> too.
> Actually it probably has to be totally bare or the coating would
> contaminate the burn.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
> If the glass was truly "bare" it would be 125um and also be too fragile to
> handle.  What is referred to as "bare fiber" actually has the 250um acrylic
> coating, probably with color added.  It's the barest the fiber can be while
> still being workable.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:24:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
>
> That must be it, the "bare fiber" description is a bit misleading in that
> case though.  Strange way to specify the diameter.
>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> A "bare fiber" pigtail has 250um acrylic coating.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/10/2017 6:07:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PLC Splitters
>
>
> That sounds strange to me.
>
> Is there such a thing as 

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Chuck Hogg]

I haven't received a response yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's pretty nice looking.  What's the price tag on something like that?
>
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: "Chuck Hogg" <ch...@shelbybb.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 8/9/2017 12:00:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT
>
> http://www.opencon.com/pdf/datasheet/OCS-MOLT-DataSheet.pdf
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Ah, sorry about the confusion.  That would seem like a lot of magic to
>> fit into an SFP form factor.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> These are ONTs on a SFP, not OLTs
>>>
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 10:30 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT
>>>
>>> Gino,  Thats exactly what I'm talking about.  Pretty sure these ones are
>>> the same hardware as the Calix ones but calix has their own ONT image on
>>> theirs.  They have an ONT built into the SFP and I haven't had any issue
>>> getting them to "work" in any old switch.  You just plug them into the
>>> switch and then you can connect to them through the switch to set up the
>>> ONT.  Info on the Zisa ones:  http://zisacom.com/c/default/
>>> pageId/5541dd482034da9f368b45ce/articleId/5541dd482034da9f368b4584
>>>
>>> Info on the Calix one is attached.  It is meant to work with their
>>> hardware, but I suspect that if you can make it work with their hardware
>>> you could also make it work with a regular switch etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carl, what I meant was Gpon SFPs that have the OLT system integrated in
>>>> the SFP and you can plug them into any ethernet SFP cage, not the standard
>>>> Gpon SFPs that you need to install in vendors OLT base unit.
>>>>
>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Carl Peterson <
>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Date: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 10:00 AM
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT
>>>>
>>>> There are GPON SFPs.  I have a few of them in my lab.  Calix has one
>>>> that they use in another piece of equipment but you need their ONT image on
>>>> the E7 to get it to work with their gear.  They will sell you just the SFP,
>>>> but its kind of spendy.  I have a few that I'll test out with UBNT when I
>>>> have time to rack up their gear in my lab but it hasn't been my top
>>>> priority as we love the Gigacenters and UBNT doesn't have anything like
>>>> them yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've seen low-count GPON OLTs, I just can't seem to find an industrial
>>>>> rated model - besides something like the Calix e3-2.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From the looks of Google, a bunch of Chinese companies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know calix makes a 4 port line card, but you still have chassis,
>>>>>> power supplies, licensing, optics, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 8, 2017 6:09 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any idea who makes them?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think there are some 4 port.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an
>>>>>>>>> industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port 
>>>>>>>>> unit
>>>>>>>>> would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up 
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Carl Peterson
>>>>
>>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>>
>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>>
>>>> (410) 637-3707
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>>
>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>
>>> (410) 637-3707
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Micro GPON OLT

[Chuck Hogg]

I think there are some 4 port.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 6:45 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Would be nice if someone made a single port, DIN-mount OLT with an
> industrial temperature rating. Alternately, an outdoor single port unit
> would be nice. Does anything like this exist? I've got a quote coming for
> Calix's outdoor GPON OLT, but I know that number is going to be up there.

-- 
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa

[Chuck Hogg]

The WISPA AMS sent bad files to the listserv, again.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> "I fucking did you asshole. .. take me off this spam shit list."
>
> "Fuck off... stop email to this addressdumb shit"
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 7, 2017 4:10:29 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa
>
> What's the short version of what they were arguing about?
> Pop vs Soda?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/7/2017 4:04:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa
>
> There was quite an interesting conversation there yesterday. Lots of
> swearing.
>
> Actually, today I'm seeing unsubscribe notices from all kinds of WISPA
> e-mail lists.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Dave" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, August 7, 2017 2:46:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] ubnt_users@wispa
>
> Is anyone else getting emails from the ubnt_users List when they never
> opted to be on the list??
>
>
> --
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Accepting bitcoin as payment for Internet service

[Chuck Hogg]

I can tell you that we are mining and investing in bitcoin, and we are
doing it legally by claiming it on taxes...

Now, as for accepting it as payment?  There are a few companies that will
provide a "merchant type" account for BTC that does instant transfer to
USD.  Like Sterling, our Platypus doesn't support it and we don't plan to
currently support it at this time...but would be open to it in the future.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Is anyone accepting bitcoin as a form of payment for your products or
> services?
>
> If so are you converting to cash at the time of transaction or just
> hanging on to the bitcoin?
>
> What's been your experience so far? Good, bad, ugly?
>
> Taxes???
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Sean
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

It doesn't work that way, "turn down".  There are specification limits,
those are specified in the optics.  Maximum differential fiber distance is
usually about 20km for the distance from your nearest to farthest client.
There are different optic levels, B+/C+, but it really depends on your
splits and light levels.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Don't forget that Sterling is doing ethernet, not PON.  I've plugged in a
> pair of 40km ethernet SM SFP's at 3' away and they work fine because
> they'll turn down the tx power.
>
> With PON there's a single Tx source for the entire network, it can't turn
> down because you may have subs at 1km and other subs at 20km.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/2/2017 1:29:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>
> To clarify, there is no real intelligent attenuation on any optical
> product I have ever seen. Some can do a 2-3db depending on the product, but
> it's never really a truly intelligent system with bidirectional
> communication between the optics to negotiate power levels.
>
> I may be wrong but this is just my experience.
>
> On Aug 2, 2017 12:26 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> How could they? TX and RX are different optic sources. You might have a
>> TX power level much higher on one end than the other due to manufacturing
>> differences or different equipment.
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2017 12:10 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm, that's not good if it can't auto-attenuate down.
>>>
>>> Sounds like they need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Most of my SMF lasers and links are short and 'hot', but doesn't seem to
>>> bother anything I'm currently using.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 10:16 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>>>
>>> I need to print a retraction here. I have been talking to Martin at UBNT
>>> and he shows me the error of my ways. I do not have a 50% failure rate. In
>>> fact, it's a 0% failure rate. My signal was just too hot. I'm new to the SM
>>> Fiber game, so I'm learning as I go. I didn't realize the signal could be
>>> too hot at only -3 dB. All of my multi mode Fiber sits at -2 dB and works
>>> really well.
>>>
>>> You learn something new every day.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I have heard a lot of complaints from DirectCom customers about their
>>> Fiber never being close to what they pay for, but that may be more related
>>> to the way it's throttled then the GPON.
>>> >
>>> > I've been playing with several of these ONT/OLT over the past week. I
>>> really like them. Though I have a 50% failure rate on the nanoG's. The
>>> fiber port breaks very easily.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Brett A Mansfield
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM,  
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> We have good luck with 32 customers per 2.4 Gbps down on GPON.  Lotsa
>>> overhead.  No problems, not even close, so far.  And we are selling more
>>> Gig circuits than ever before.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:19 PM
>>> >> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port)
>>> 1U unit?
>>> >>
>>> >> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet
>>> for the OLT 1U unit.
>>> >>
>>> >> Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the
>>> rack already.
>>> >>
>>> >> If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of
>>> transition panel/setup right?
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home
>>> connections.
>>> >>
>>> >> The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with
>>> 20Gbps uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet).
>>> >>
>>> >> I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could
>>> easily use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units.
>>> >> If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get
>>> another 576 panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've
>>> never actually done GPON.
>>> >>
>>> >> And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and
>>> instead maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units.
>>> >> That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still
>>> take up 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U.
>>> >> And I would have 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

I will say, I really like the UBNT ONT, and I've been thinking of offering
it as a premium option because of the display.  Having the ability to show
usage easily is very nice.  I just feel UBNT missed the price mark here,
and missed the opportunity to do something big like ngpon2 with 40gb/s
capacity capabilities.  That would have rocked the manufacturers.

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 1:37 PM Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> It's funny to me that I was just on FS.com the other day and I saw they
> sell attenuators and I thought to myself, why on earth would you want to
> attenuate the signal? Now I know.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Aug 2, 2017, at 11:29 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> To clarify, there is no real intelligent attenuation on any optical
> product I have ever seen. Some can do a 2-3db depending on the product, but
> it's never really a truly intelligent system with bidirectional
> communication between the optics to negotiate power levels.
>
> I may be wrong but this is just my experience.
>
> On Aug 2, 2017 12:26 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> How could they? TX and RX are different optic sources. You might have a
>> TX power level much higher on one end than the other due to manufacturing
>> differences or different equipment.
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2017 12:10 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmm, that's not good if it can't auto-attenuate down.
>>>
>>> Sounds like they need to fix that.
>>>
>>> Most of my SMF lasers and links are short and 'hot', but doesn't seem to
>>> bother anything I'm currently using.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 10:16 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>>>
>>> I need to print a retraction here. I have been talking to Martin at UBNT
>>> and he shows me the error of my ways. I do not have a 50% failure rate. In
>>> fact, it's a 0% failure rate. My signal was just too hot. I'm new to the SM
>>> Fiber game, so I'm learning as I go. I didn't realize the signal could be
>>> too hot at only -3 dB. All of my multi mode Fiber sits at -2 dB and works
>>> really well.
>>>
>>> You learn something new every day.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I have heard a lot of complaints from DirectCom customers about their
>>> Fiber never being close to what they pay for, but that may be more related
>>> to the way it's throttled then the GPON.
>>> >
>>> > I've been playing with several of these ONT/OLT over the past week. I
>>> really like them. Though I have a 50% failure rate on the nanoG's. The
>>> fiber port breaks very easily.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you,
>>> > Brett A Mansfield
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 2:31 PM,  
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> We have good luck with 32 customers per 2.4 Gbps down on GPON.  Lotsa
>>> overhead.  No problems, not even close, so far.  And we are selling more
>>> Gig circuits than ever before.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 2:19 PM
>>> >> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port)
>>> 1U unit?
>>> >>
>>> >> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet
>>> for the OLT 1U unit.
>>> >>
>>> >> Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the
>>> rack already.
>>> >>
>>> >> If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of
>>> transition panel/setup right?
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home
>>> connections.
>>> >>
>>> >> The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with
>>> 20Gbps uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet).
>>> >>
>>> >> I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could
>>> easily use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units.
>>> >> If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get
>>> another 576 panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've
>>> never actually done GPON.
>>> >>
>>> >> And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and
>>> instead maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units.
>>> >> That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still
>>> take up 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U.
>>> >> And I would have instead an 18 customer to 1 port on the GPON instead
>>> of 72 which I like better for future use.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do these UFiber OLT 1U rackmount units share just 1Gbps per each of
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

ONT's are sub $30.  Put 200 subs on the chassis and see what your overall
cost is.  You'll save about $7k.  Also ZTE is 2 cards at 16 ports per card.
 32 total PON ports.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
wrote:

> I saw ZTE starting at $2k plus. How is that cheaper? Also is the
> management via CLI?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I'm surprised you are bothering with UBNT when a platform like ZTE is
> significantly more stable.   Cheaper too.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> The Calix active stuff is $ though, especially when you do the CSFP
>> modules.  Something like the Ignitenet Fusionswitch fiber and Fiberstore
>> bidi SFPs is much more reasonable.  I can sacrifice 1RU per 24 customers
>> for that kind of price difference.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:06 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If I were you, I would take a serious look at GPON shelves like ZTE and
>>> Calix. CSFP modules let you put two BiDi AE customers on a single slot. 24
>>> port line-card = 48 AE customers. Then I think you can do 8 or 16 port PON
>>> cards, 1:32 split = 256 or 512 customers on a single 3U? 4U? chassis, + the
>>> 48 AE customers. This is probably what we're going to end up doing with the
>>> AE deployment we're managing now. The AE is extremely underutilized and it
>>> should've been GPON from the get-go.
>>>
>>> If you're doing BiDi now and all the customers home-run to your cabinet,
>>> put the GPON splitters at the cabinet. Cake walk. Same boat we're in.
>>> Except some retrofit because they used a PAIR per customer. And Clearfield
>>> built everything duplex LC. So one strand won't get used in the field. Big
>>> whoop. Call the unused one a backup. I love it when nobody listens to me.
>>> Coulda started BiDi and went right to GPON with minimal changes.
>>>
>>> On 7/31/2017 3:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>>
>> Ok, so that is the share ratio then.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I put on 18 customers on a port they would all share the 2.5 down by
>>> 1.25 up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or if I use 8 instead 4 of the UBNT Fiber OLT I can get 9 customers on
>>> that ratio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That would be 8 U plus 4 U space, which I think is probably my max
>>> amount of rack space in the cabinets I am using right now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is likely a lot less power than the 12U of 48 port switches I can
>>> use right now, but the share ratio is obviously much worse in the long run.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I do a Hybrid and put 4 of the OLT, and still have 4x48 ports
>>> active…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then in the future if I run into clients complaining about their 1Gbps
>>> rate plan not being fast enough on the share ratio of 1 to 18, I can move
>>> them back to 1 to 1 active.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:22 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> GPON is 2.5 downstream 1.25 upstream per port.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>> ---

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

I'm surprised you are bothering with UBNT when a platform like ZTE is
significantly more stable.   Cheaper too.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> The Calix active stuff is $ though, especially when you do the CSFP
> modules.  Something like the Ignitenet Fusionswitch fiber and Fiberstore
> bidi SFPs is much more reasonable.  I can sacrifice 1RU per 24 customers
> for that kind of price difference.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:06 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> If I were you, I would take a serious look at GPON shelves like ZTE and
>> Calix. CSFP modules let you put two BiDi AE customers on a single slot. 24
>> port line-card = 48 AE customers. Then I think you can do 8 or 16 port PON
>> cards, 1:32 split = 256 or 512 customers on a single 3U? 4U? chassis, + the
>> 48 AE customers. This is probably what we're going to end up doing with the
>> AE deployment we're managing now. The AE is extremely underutilized and it
>> should've been GPON from the get-go.
>>
>> If you're doing BiDi now and all the customers home-run to your cabinet,
>> put the GPON splitters at the cabinet. Cake walk. Same boat we're in.
>> Except some retrofit because they used a PAIR per customer. And Clearfield
>> built everything duplex LC. So one strand won't get used in the field. Big
>> whoop. Call the unused one a backup. I love it when nobody listens to me.
>> Coulda started BiDi and went right to GPON with minimal changes.
>>
>> On 7/31/2017 3:29 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>
> Ok, so that is the share ratio then.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I put on 18 customers on a port they would all share the 2.5 down by
>> 1.25 up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or if I use 8 instead 4 of the UBNT Fiber OLT I can get 9 customers on
>> that ratio.
>>
>>
>>
>> That would be 8 U plus 4 U space, which I think is probably my max amount
>> of rack space in the cabinets I am using right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is likely a lot less power than the 12U of 48 port switches I can
>> use right now, but the share ratio is obviously much worse in the long run.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe I do a Hybrid and put 4 of the OLT, and still have 4x48 ports
>> active…
>>
>>
>>
>> Then in the future if I run into clients complaining about their 1Gbps
>> rate plan not being fast enough on the share ratio of 1 to 18, I can move
>> them back to 1 to 1 active.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:22 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>>
>>
>>
>> GPON is 2.5 downstream 1.25 upstream per port.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 31, 2017 3:19:36 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT OLT Transition from Active Ethernet to GPON
>>
>> Anyone tried their PON OLT CPE and OLT 8 port (128 clients per port) 1U
>> unit?
>>
>> I see pricing around $70 retail for OLT, but haven't seen pricing yet for
>> the OLT 1U unit.
>>
>> Also, I'm active fiber right now, so I have full 1 to 1 panels in the
>> rack already.
>>
>> If I wanted to 'migrate' to OLT from active I would need some sort of
>> transition panel/setup right?
>>
>> Right now my density is 48 ports per 1U 1 to 1 single family home
>> connections.
>>
>> The UBNT Fiber OLT has 8 ports handling up to 128 clients each, with
>> 20Gbps uplink capability (not quite sure on those split details yet).
>>
>> I currently only take a max of 576 per cabinet on active, so I could
>> easily use just one of these UBNT fiber OLT units.
>> If I don't care about the share ratio I guess, I would just get another
>> 576 panel count that spliced 72 count to each port and I'm done.
>>
>> I'm unclear what that panel/splice would look like though since I've
>> never actually done GPON.
>>
>> And I would probably want to not load up that many per port, and instead
>> maybe get four of the UBNT Fiber OLT units.
>> That would take up 4U of rack space, the fanout would probably still take
>> up 4U of rack space, for a total of 8 U.
>> And I would have instead an 18 customer to 1 port on the GPON instead of
>> 72 which I like better for future use.

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[Chuck Hogg]

I was suggesting maybe stacking yours in a 4x4 pattern.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I have.  They have a good system.  Very expensive system but it is nicely
> designed.  Trying to fill a niche.
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 9:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>
> Have you ever looked at Magnemount?  They stack them together and make it
> as a plate to increase surface mount.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brian Sullivan <
> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>
>> Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger magnets.
>>
>>
>> On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Very cool video... definitely a need for this product
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Magnetic Tower Mount
>>> Some more destructive testing.
>>> Magnetic mount for water towers and other structures.  Check out my
>>> latest video:
>>> *Havin' Fun With Magnets <https://youtu.be/AHjHk9wjtFQ>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Come see all the fun stuff at *McCown Technology Corporation*
>>> <http://www.mccowntech.com>
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mccowntech/>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *Our mailing address is:*
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>>>
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>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[Chuck Hogg]

Have you ever looked at Magnemount?  They stack them together and make it
as a plate to increase surface mount.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brian Sullivan 
wrote:

> Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger magnets.
>
>
> On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Very cool video... definitely a need for this product
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Magnetic Tower Mount
>> Some more destructive testing.
>> Magnetic mount for water towers and other structures.  Check out my
>> latest video:
>> *Havin' Fun With Magnets *
>>
>>
>>
>> Come see all the fun stuff at *McCown Technology Corporation*
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> *Copyright © 2017 McCown Technology Corporation, All rights reserved.*
>> Thanks for attending the show. (Or being on the af@afmug.com list.) See
>> us at WispAmerica. Check out www.surge-protection.org and www.afmug.com
>>
>> *Our mailing address is:*
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8400 North HWY 36
>> Lake Point, UT 84074
>>
>> Add us to your address book
>> 
>>
>>
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>> You can update your preferences
>> 
>> or unsubscribe from this list
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>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Bucket "o" light

[Chuck Hogg]

There are some with big heatpipes and no fans on Alibaba.

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 7:08 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Patent it..
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 28, 2017 5:03 PM,  wrote:
>
>> This is my dreadfully slow 1000W High Bay MH LED replacement project.
>>
>> Uses heat pipes instead of fans to cool the LED array.
>>
>> So no moving parts.  Should last 20 years.  I am hitting 80 degrees C on
>> the LED chips (max 100) in a room that is about 85F ambient.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 28, 2017 5:00 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Bucket "o" light
>>
>> Interesante...para que es?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2017 4:57 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Photon storage.
>>>
>> --
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity

[Chuck Hogg]

Josh, I get electric turned up around here for about $1000, then
$15-20/mth.  No offense, but I'd probably look at just getting a new
service put in.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Tycon has an all inclusive kit that Streakwave is suggesting - it's about
> $900 before shipping.  This is an 80w panel, battery, charge controller,
> enclosure, etc.  Battery capacity is 1248 watt hours.
>
> Is it worth spending the time shopping for parts individually?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 200+ watts.  So one panel.
>> And at least 5 days of battery autonomy.  That is minimal.
>> 10x24x5=1200 watt hours.  100 amp hours for 12 volts, 50 amp hours for 24
>> volts.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 10, 2017 12:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Solar panel capacity
>>
>> Never thought I'd see the day where I had to deal with this, but I have a
>> site where they're taking down the house/power and living in a trailer.
>> Trailer has to have Internet but can't provide the power (sigh).
>>
>> The objective now is to have a Force200+Nano5 on a pole out in the yard
>> for service.  Figure this is about 10 watt load.  How much panel/battery do
>> I need?  This is not mission critical and only needs to run for months, so
>> we don't have to deal with winter nights.
>>
>> Is there a place we can get panels ordered/shipped in the next day or two?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Access Control for gated community

[Chuck Hogg]

I use a USB to serial adapter for our old Plotter that uses serial...You
can probably get one of those...install the drivers and be done.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> They bought new PC with Windows 10 and installed software with client
> database...old system was Windows 7 with 9 pin serial connector that worked
> for several years...it looks like their guy installed a serial to Ethernet
> converter and now can't get access to control panel.  He has been at it for
> three weeks.  If he can't get going they want to hire me to give it a shot.
> It's a Linear Access Base 2000 system.  I was recommended by new camera
> systems guy.  I asked questions and took pictures.  Didn't offer any
> consultant advice.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jul 5, 2017 1:13 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> What are you supposed to be accomplishing?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not touching anything yet...just took some pictures and asked
>>> questions...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2017 12:02 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We have gotten the same thing a few times. Some are computer
 controlled, others pretty simple. I doubt you'll have any issues with it.

 On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:51 PM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ha...I got a call from a property manager asking for help with gate
> access control.  Some camera company recommended me telling them I can
> figure most things out.  I appreciate the compliment but I have never
> worked on access control system like this.   Taking my meters and tools 
> and
> rosary.   Any heads up from the Borg? Tips?
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

>>

Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?

[Chuck Hogg]

https://phys.org/news/2017-05-spacex-thousands-internet-satellites.html


Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Some companies (more than one) are planning on launching 4,000 satellites
> each.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:09:57 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>
> 900 f’n satellites? Jeez, isn’t there some sort of international
> consortium that says that’s more than enough?
>
>
>
> That’s going to be over 1Tbps capacity network wide?
>
>
>
> That should definitely help the digital divide for remote areas.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>
>
>
> None of these guys know what’s about to hit them with Viasat 2 and Viasat
> 3.  Other than the latency for gaming and voice, Viasat 2 can hit up to
> 1Gbps and it goes live in January.  Viasat 3 will by up by 2019 or 2020 and
> several times faster than Viasat 2.
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:47 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>
>
>
> Sure...fill up the sky with more stuff, how the hell are my buddies
> supposed to navigate through safely?  Lots of people still need to be probed
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2017 10:21 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> *OneWeb Satellites Preps for Global Broadband Service*
>
> OneWeb Satellites cranked up its assembly line last week in Toulouse,
> France to begin end-to-end validation, testing, and integration of its
> first satellites set for launch in just over nine months. The move comes
> after the FCC granted the company authority to access the U.S. market using
> its proposed non-geostationary Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite
> constellation. OneWeb says its satellites will enable carriers and ISPs to
> offer affordable broadband access in rural areas.
>
> OneWeb Satellites
> 
>  is
> a joint venture between OneWeb communications and Airbus Defense and Space.
> The Toulouse factory will validate production methods for a larger factory
> near the Kennedy Space Center, FL. The company plans to initially launch 10
> satellites, and grow the constellation to 900 satellites to offer
> high-speed internet with global coverage and bridge the digital divide by
> 2027.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LED project

[Chuck Hogg]

Same height.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Did you have to lower the T6s  or keep them at the same height as the
> metal halide?
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 03, 2017 7:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LED project
>
> We converted our HiBay MH lights to T6's with occupancy sensors a few
> years ago.  The power company paid for 60% of it and it reduced our
> consumption by about 40%.  It's paid for itself now.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ll be over 100 years old and will probably be needing some weed at that
>> point.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2017 5:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LED project
>>
>> ha, ha, maybe in the year 2065.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am waiting for Utah to legalize recreational weed
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>>> *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2017 5:27 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LED project
>>>
>>> If you can get the light spectrum as broad as possible, sell them to WA,
>>> CO, OR, AK, MA and other state legal weed growers. The amount of 1000W
>>> metal halide and high pressure sodium light systems in use is nuts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:54 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Made some significant progress on a high bay metal halide LED
>>>> replacement project today.
>>>> Can you tell which light is mine in the photo?  If you look on the
>>>> floor you can see some labels we put down for a grid.  I measured the LUX
>>>> at each grid point with metal halide and then with my LED.
>>>>
>>>> If I integrate all the points on the grid, my LED is only 16 LUX lower
>>>> but at less than 30% of.  The 300 watts is the max rating of my LED
>>>> drivers.  I have not actually measured the input power yet, but I am pretty
>>>> sure it will be lower.
>>>>
>>>> In an industrial setting you get hammered for your demand charges.  The
>>>> highest power draw in a 15 minute window each month.  I pay $14.62 per kW
>>>> demand.  My warehouse burns 24kW just for the lights.  So just turning on
>>>> the lights for 15 minutes one time in a month the bill is $350.  Plus the
>>>> energy charge of $158/month for running them 8 hours a day.
>>>>
>>>> This will take 16.8 kW off the demand which will save $245.62 each
>>>> month. Energy charges will be reduced $110 each month for a total savings
>>>> of $355.62/month if I convert all the fixtures.  Not sure what it will cost
>>>> me to make each fixture but I might be able to sell them for that or a bit
>>>> more.  Once done, if I turn this into a released product and someone
>>>> converts a warehouse like mind, the payback will be 12-18 months.
>>>>
>>>> I am pretty jazzed.  I have some heat issues.  Right now I am using
>>>> forced air with muffin fans but we all know how reliable those things are.
>>>> I hope to have a heat pipe version working soon.  No moving parts.  Silent.
>>>>
>>>> Then comes a dimmable version, a network version, motion sensor
>>>> versions etc.  I can be pretty busy on this if I choose to do so.  I am
>>>> envisioning a phone app where workers can turn on a light in the back
>>>> corner if they need it and either turn it off when they are done or it will
>>>> time out after 30 minutes or some such thing.  We can do time of day
>>>> programs etc.
>>>>
>>>> Best of all, my old metal halides are the type that take 15 minutes to
>>>> come back on if there is a power bump.  These will be instant on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LED project

[Chuck Hogg]

We converted our HiBay MH lights to T6's with occupancy sensors a few years
ago.  The power company paid for 60% of it and it reduced our consumption
by about 40%.  It's paid for itself now.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I’ll be over 100 years old and will probably be needing some weed at that
> point.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2017 5:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LED project
>
> ha, ha, maybe in the year 2065.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I am waiting for Utah to legalize recreational weed
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 02, 2017 5:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LED project
>>
>> If you can get the light spectrum as broad as possible, sell them to WA,
>> CO, OR, AK, MA and other state legal weed growers. The amount of 1000W
>> metal halide and high pressure sodium light systems in use is nuts.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:54 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Made some significant progress on a high bay metal halide LED
>>> replacement project today.
>>> Can you tell which light is mine in the photo?  If you look on the floor
>>> you can see some labels we put down for a grid.  I measured the LUX at each
>>> grid point with metal halide and then with my LED.
>>>
>>> If I integrate all the points on the grid, my LED is only 16 LUX lower
>>> but at less than 30% of.  The 300 watts is the max rating of my LED
>>> drivers.  I have not actually measured the input power yet, but I am pretty
>>> sure it will be lower.
>>>
>>> In an industrial setting you get hammered for your demand charges.  The
>>> highest power draw in a 15 minute window each month.  I pay $14.62 per kW
>>> demand.  My warehouse burns 24kW just for the lights.  So just turning on
>>> the lights for 15 minutes one time in a month the bill is $350.  Plus the
>>> energy charge of $158/month for running them 8 hours a day.
>>>
>>> This will take 16.8 kW off the demand which will save $245.62 each
>>> month. Energy charges will be reduced $110 each month for a total savings
>>> of $355.62/month if I convert all the fixtures.  Not sure what it will cost
>>> me to make each fixture but I might be able to sell them for that or a bit
>>> more.  Once done, if I turn this into a released product and someone
>>> converts a warehouse like mind, the payback will be 12-18 months.
>>>
>>> I am pretty jazzed.  I have some heat issues.  Right now I am using
>>> forced air with muffin fans but we all know how reliable those things are.
>>> I hope to have a heat pipe version working soon.  No moving parts.  Silent.
>>>
>>> Then comes a dimmable version, a network version, motion sensor versions
>>> etc.  I can be pretty busy on this if I choose to do so.  I am envisioning
>>> a phone app where workers can turn on a light in the back corner if they
>>> need it and either turn it off when they are done or it will time out after
>>> 30 minutes or some such thing.  We can do time of day programs etc.
>>>
>>> Best of all, my old metal halides are the type that take 15 minutes to
>>> come back on if there is a power bump.  These will be instant on.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WISP tower and construction cost

[Chuck Hogg]

I'd recommend talking to Craig House about what he's doing.  Putting up
100-200' towers in a day...I think he told me he's done like 60 of them ?
I'm unsure if he's on this list, but was an AF regular.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> We have a tower construction guy.  Certs, Insurance, stacked for
> government agencies, tons of references.  Hit me off list if you want a
> turnkey quote.
>
> Justin
>
>
> On Jun 1, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>
> I a.m. currently building a 300' guyed sabre. The tower steel cost 28k
> delivered. I expect it to cost about 30k to construct but I'll let you
> know. 2 carrier with 2ea 6 foot dishes
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017, 3:36 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>
>> A few years back during the broadband stimulus days, we priced a couple
>> tower builds. I'm polling the audience to see if these prices still hold up.
>>
>> - 150ft. Nello self supporter - $39k
>> - 195' Saber guyed tower - $42k
>>
>> Those prices included freight, concrete, crane rental and stacking labor.
>> I'm sure costs have gone up, but broadly speaking, are we still in the same
>> ballpark?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IP Architects

[Chuck Hogg]

We used to do this type of consulting.  It's hard to jump into someone's
network, without understanding it.  And depending on how complex the
problem is, it could take a long time to identify the issue.  However, if
the problem isn't fixed, IMO find a new consultant...and like Chuck M
mentioned, Dennis is probably a good fit.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:55 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Even so, like Paul said... something sounds broken because OSPF should
> have better preference as its distance default is 110, while BGP distance
> default is 200.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 3:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Architects
>
> I'm assuming Mikrotik since he's working with IPArchitechs. *Usually* you
> don’t want to see routes to your own network coming in through the internet
> when you're muti-homed so you add discard rules for your subnets on your
> upstream-bgp-in route filters.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 2:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Architects
>
> Something sounds seriously broken there as OSPF should always have a lower
> route preference on any router (not sure what you’re using here) so any
> lookups within your network will always be preferred.
>
> I get your point though .. if these guys are “experts” then for them it
> should be pretty trivial to diagnose… actually sounds like you have too
> many filters in place that are causing the problem (just a guess but no
> reason to use filters in OSPF typically)
>
> > On Jun 1, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
> >
> > Any reason you don't drop those subnets on your upstream-bgp-in filters?
> >
> > Chris Wright
> > Network Administrator
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:45 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Architects
> >
> > It is a routing problem, probably a BGP change outside of us.
> >
> > But I have internal BGP and several /24 subnets that I don't want to
> route around the internet and back to myself, just to hop directly between
> my two Mikrotik BGP instances.
> >
> > That seems to be the major hangup right now.
> >
> > I have a single static entry to route a specific block from one Mikrotik
> to the other, but need a more general policy BGP related that gets
> automatically filtered down to my OSPF network and MPLS to keep all of my
> own inter-subnet communications internal instead of trying to roam all over
> creation and back to myself.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:02 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Architects
> >
> > on-list of off-list
> >
> > Care to share what is the problem you are trying or needing to solve ?
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> >> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:53:32 AM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] IP Architects
> >
> >> So far, not so good with them.
> >>
> >> I've spent about $340 for an hour and a half time to have them modify
> >> one temporary route rule in fifteen seconds.
> >> Rest of the time appeared to be them attempting to figure things out
> >> on BGP/eBGP and OSPF.
> >>
> >> That didn't fix my problem, just a patch to get some traffic
> >> re-routed, but left me with a bunch of other problems.
> >>
> >> When I asked them about the charge, they wouldn't work with me.
> >>
> >> I expect a lot more out of a team that charges top dollar for being
> >> the top experts.
> >>
> >> I'm having problems communicating and scheduling time now to get that
> >> permanently fixed.
> >> It appears they want to create an entire lab with separate equipment,
> >> spending hours of my money, to understand the problem.
> >>
> >> So, yeah, not what I was expecting out of them at all.
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WISP tower and construction cost

[Chuck Hogg]

We built a Rohn 160' Self Support, $5k in concrete, $12k in tower steel
including climbing ladder/lad safe cable.  About 3 days of assembly prep.
 $3k for the crane for the day, and had it stacked in about 4 hours.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I a.m. currently building a 300' guyed sabre. The tower steel cost 28k
> delivered. I expect it to cost about 30k to construct but I'll let you
> know. 2 carrier with 2ea 6 foot dishes
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017, 3:36 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
>
>> A few years back during the broadband stimulus days, we priced a couple
>> tower builds. I'm polling the audience to see if these prices still hold up.
>>
>> - 150ft. Nello self supporter - $39k
>> - 195' Saber guyed tower - $42k
>>
>> Those prices included freight, concrete, crane rental and stacking labor.
>> I'm sure costs have gone up, but broadly speaking, are we still in the same
>> ballpark?
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Chuck Hogg]

We do 24" in clay.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>> around here are required to do chute.
>>
>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joe
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
>>> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
>>> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>>
>>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>>
>>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>>> stretching.
>>>
>>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>>> chute
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
>>> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
>>> the product.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
>>> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>>> weight / HP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Chuck Hogg]

That's correct.  The wider the width, the more friction.

We use a blade that can install a 3/4" conduit or cable size on the 410.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I assume there are different widths? For instance a wide enough chute to
> get a flat drop cable through vs 3/4" conduit - I would imagine this would
> affect the depth you were able to go?
>
> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
>> That size machine, probably an 18" depth would be the max I would attempt
>> with a chute blade.
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What size chute blade are you able to use with the 410sx?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 30, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of
>>>> issues with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my
>>>> opinion is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors
>>>> around here are required to do chute.
>>>>
>>>> We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
>>>> largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated
>>>>> plow blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Joe
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage,
>>>>> sometimes we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for
>>>>> power if a customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>>>>>
>>>>>Or plan for adding couplers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
>>>>> stretching.
>>>>>
>>>>> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
>>>>> chute
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on
>>>>> the first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and
>>>>> pull the product.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.
>>>>> I haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
>>>>> weight / HP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
>>>>> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade

[Chuck Hogg]

I've done the chute method and the pull blade.  After many times of issues
with the pull blade, we stuck with the chute.  A pull blade in my opinion
is only good for short straight shots.  All the cable contractors around
here are required to do chute.

We use chutes on all of our plows, from the smallest hand plow to the
largest RT115 we have.  From 18" to 4'+ in the ground.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 3:23 PM,  wrote:

> I have only used vibratory plows with a chute, so not sure a serrated plow
> blade would be a great help.  Have not seen one.
>
> *From:* Joe
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
>
> Great question… there is a few key differences.
>
>
>
> With a chute, you can drop in multiple conduit… BIG advantage, sometimes
> we put in 2x 1.5” or 1.5” plus a ¾”.  One for fiber, one for power if a
> customer wants power at a driveway (gates, light, sensor)
>
>
>
> If you are required to put in a “caution tape”, must use a chute…
>
>
>
> If you are going in a straight line, pulling is great.  Less HP needed.
>
>Many or sharp curves… use a chute
>
>Or plan for adding couplers
>
>
>
> If soil conditions are soft, chute works great.  No breakage or pipe
> stretching.
>
> If soil conditions are packed/hard… add more horsepower/traction for a
> chute
>
>
>
> Using a pull blade to run the path without product in hard ground on the
> first pass, then go back with the pull blade on the second pass and pull
> the product.
>
>
>
> If you have roots, the pull blade with serrated teeth do a great job.  I
> haven’t seen a serrated edge on a chute.
>
>
>
> Friction is not your friend when pulling…
>
>
>
> And size of the machine… when using a chute, you need more traction /
> weight / HP.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, May 26, 2017 1:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Pull blade vs chute blade
>
>
>
> Are there situations for which one is better than the other?  I know
> pulling limits your distance, I'm not sure otherwise.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Butterfly Drop Cable

[Chuck Hogg]

I've heard some nightmares about stability of their plastics..specifically
in relation to outdoor cabling.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> FIS is generally more expensive but generally is pretty easy to deal with
> and their stuff isn't crap.  I don't like their indoor butterfly as it it
> too square and doesn't route as well.
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> The price I got was from FIS.  They said lead time is 2-3 weeks.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Carl Peterson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 4/18/2017 9:42:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Butterfly Drop Cable
>>
>> I'd be interested in what vendor.  We have our toes in the importing from
>> China game and it can be super hit or miss.  You can get what looks like
>> exactly the same thing from two different suppliers and one will be made
>> out of crap plastic while the other is great.  We are testing a similar
>> indoor butterfly flat drop for conduit runs in MDUs.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I guess the cable is cheap, but is it good, terrible, or in between?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 4/17/2017 5:17:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Butterfly Drop Cable
>>>
>>> That is manufactured by probably twenty different companies in China and
>>> re-sold by at least 50 vendors. If you go to Alibaba and search for "FTTH
>>> drop cable" you will see a product with the exact same cross section
>>> diagram being sold by a ton of resellers.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A vendor just sent me a sample of what they call a "butteryfly" drop
 cable.

 It's dirt friggin cheap.  Like $0.09/foot.  Hopefully my little picture
 comes through.

 The steel measures .042" dia which is somewhere around 18AWG.

 You can get it with 1 or 2 bare fibers, and you access them by peeling
 apart the two aramid strength members.

 The cheapness is tantalizing.  Will I regret this vs a "normal" flat
 drop cable like Superior Essex or Corning?  They put corning glass inside
 the jacket so I'm not worried about the optical performance, but I'm
 wondering if it's rugged enough.


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

[Chuck Hogg]

It works...I guess if you are looking to manage it in their platform, that
might be difficult, but all you need is a profile for it on the OLT.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:07 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I would not expect any random ONT to have full functionality.  They might
> workish...
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 11:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> So, other ONTs will work? The beta store is sold out of the Ubiquiti ONTs
> every time I check.
>
> On Friday, March 31, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> The UBNT equipment is plain GPON standard.  Works on other GPON
>> equipment.  ZTE included.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got a couple reels of 3/8" steel cable. Definitely not light
>>> stuff...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <
>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com');> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1/4" steel cable + drop cable + jacketing
>>>>
>>>> 2+2 = 7
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that's not the bottom price, but it's not too far out of whack
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> Figure-8 is also wicked heavy.  The spool weight will surprise you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for less than that.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The most recent quote I got was $0.83/ft.
>>>>> It's way expensive, but no separate messenger strand.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:54:27 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gotcha. What sort of pricing are you getting on the 12 strand
>>>>> figure-8? I've been using ADSS up to this point since I can get closer to
>>>>> the neutral with it, but figure-8 might work in some new deployment
>>>>> scenarios.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Figure-8 drop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but
>>>>>> I assumed it can't go 500' aerialsome poles are that far apart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>>> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable?
>>>>>> I've got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, 
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> the only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge 
>>>>>> clamps.
>>>>>> Not sure if these are good for the distance between some of the utility
>>>>>> poles out there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a
>>>>>>> rural road.  Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40
>>>>>>> closure to put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per
>>>>>>> mile.that changes with assumptions on how many houses are 

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

[Chuck Hogg]

The UBNT equipment is plain GPON standard.  Works on other GPON equipment.
ZTE included.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I've got a couple reels of 3/8" steel cable. Definitely not light stuff...
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> 1/4" steel cable + drop cable + jacketing
>>
>> 2+2 = 7
>>
>> I'm sure that's not the bottom price, but it's not too far out of whack
>> either.
>>
>> Figure-8 is also wicked heavy.  The spool weight will surprise you.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for less than that.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> The most recent quote I got was $0.83/ft.
>>> It's way expensive, but no separate messenger strand.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:54:27 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>
>>> Gotcha. What sort of pricing are you getting on the 12 strand figure-8?
>>> I've been using ADSS up to this point since I can get closer to the neutral
>>> with it, but figure-8 might work in some new deployment scenarios.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 Figure-8 drop.

 Flat drop cable at $0.16/foot would certainly be cost attractive, but I
 assumed it can't go 500' aerialsome poles are that far apart.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jason McKemie" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

 Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable?
 I've got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, but
 the only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge clamps.
 Not sure if these are good for the distance between some of the utility
 poles out there.

 On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I think the idea is you can run a 12 strand aerial cable down a rural
> road.  Since you're using this skinny cable, you can use a $40 closure to
> put a PON coupler in front of the customer prem.
>
> My quick estimate is the difference might be around $6,000 per
> mile.that changes with assumptions on how many houses are on that mile
> and so onmaybe $4k to $6k is fairer.
>
> I don't have pricing from Calix.  I'm looking at Alphion...the ONT is
> pretty close to a routerboard.  The OLT is a lot more than a mikrotik
> switch, but cost per customer port (assuming 1:16 PON) is on par with a 
> mid
> grade switch.  It's more than mikrotik, less than Juniper.  I can't share
> numbers due to NDA, but that's the idea.
>
> We're looking at doing a whole rural town with 50 miles of road and
> 300 households.  I haven't gotten down to brass tacks yet, but on the
> surface it seems like the savings is enough to buy a really nice bucket
> truck.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>
> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had
>> 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like
>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>>
>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of
>> the cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you
>> place the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on 
>> new
>> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a
>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I 
>> have
>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>>
>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.
>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
>> tackle.
>>
>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower
>> fiber
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vibratory Plow

[Chuck Hogg]

My guys use the DW 410 and Case Maxi Sneaker.  Almost daily they use the
Roto Bore to go under driveways and sidewalks and small roads.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to decide what make/model of plow to get.  The options, as I
> see them, are the Vermeer LM42, Ditch Witch 410SX, or Case Maxi Sneaker.
> I'll be using this for customer drops as well as some main-runs.
>
> I like the mini excavator attachment for the LM42, although I don't know
> how limiting this will be for the machine if I'm also using it for customer
> drops.  The drill attachment for the 410SX also seems like it could be
> useful.
>
> Anyone have experience with these machines?  Recommendations?
>
> Also, does anyone know what model of Case Maxi Sneaker this is?
> http://i.imgur.com/APCL4TK.jpg
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Jason
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

[Chuck Hogg]

Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> But when is this actually going to be available?
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John  wrote:
>
>> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
>>
>> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
>>
>> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
>> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
>> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
>> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
>> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
>> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
>> FastEthernet port for management
>> Console serial port for management
>>
>> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
>>
>> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON,
>> TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>>
>> Best -
>>
>> Parker Reed
>> Director of Sales
>> ZTE USA
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

I am replacing my Alphion shelf if anyone is interested in it and ~30 ONTs.


On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 8:07 AM Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> No, I've got multiple brands working.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:49 PM George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> I assume ZTE doesn't care about SFP branding?
>
>
> On 3/21/2017 7:05 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software
> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you
> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs
> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open
> standards.
>
> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
> haha… yeah fair enough ;)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
> some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
> again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
> giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
> and watching Netflix.
>
> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
> network owner was convinced that everyone had

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

No, I've got multiple brands working.

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 9:49 PM George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

> I assume ZTE doesn't care about SFP branding?
>
>
> On 3/21/2017 7:05 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software
> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you
> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs
> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open
> standards.
>
> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
> haha… yeah fair enough ;)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
> some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
> again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
> giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
> and watching Netflix.
>
> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

It's not open standard.  They key their optics like calix.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:11 AM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Seriously though... Alphion obviously doesn't have the level of software
> toys/tools that Calix does obviously, but when the cost is like 1/8th, you
> can spend that money on contractors and OLTs and ONTs and get way more subs
> installed much faster - and it's something that is still based on open
> standards.
>
> That's a hard business proposition to ignore.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 6:59 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
> haha… yeah fair enough ;)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> It can be different when you're the one paying for it :)
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 5:13 PM, "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might cause
> some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
> again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this year
> giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
> and watching Netflix.
>
> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>
> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood of
> rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
> more speed" and if they're wil

Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius

[Chuck Hogg]

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/paul-pazzaglini/internet/paul-pazzaglini-pliinc-pl-career-conman-on-tv-north-carolina-internet-1157880

Guy gets around

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They screen scraped DR’s brands page.
> http://www.doubleradius.com/Wireless-Brands-Overview.html
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Cc:* Jason Petrillo
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
>
> Looks like they are distributors of Last Mile Gear too.
> https://www.pliinc.us/products
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
>
> I just found out he is one of our distributors too!
>
> McCown Technology McCown Technology products are designed for the specifc
> purpose of enhancing Motorola Canopy and Trango wireless equipment.
>
> Wow.  I did not know that.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
>
> http://northcarolina.arrests.org/Arrests/Paul_Pazzaglini_16822148/
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
>
> First part was easy.  Nice looking house.  Too lazy to figure out the
> second half.
>
> *From:* Hardy, Tim
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
>
>
> Google search the company address and then the owner of the property –
> enough said.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Head
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 4:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
>
>
>
> There is this...http://www.waveworksinc.com/
> Looks like an interesting company but not the same people, obviously.
>
>
> On 3/14/2017 3:35 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> "
>
> *WaveWorks* - News Alert - The next Generation of supplier after
> DoubleRadius
>
>
>
> *WaveWorks* employees originally worked for DoubleRadius. Due to the
> situation of DoubleRadius's sales plunge and their contract with Ubiquiti
> being compromised, they may be going out of business. For that reason we
> are moving all WISP customers over to WaveWorks to continue supporting
> their requirements. Please contact us for more details:   Click here for
> More Information
> 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> Yes, I did.  It didn't come to this email address though, it seemed to be
> derived from the WISPA list.  I emailed them about it and they said it is
> absolutely false.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> No, it is real.  DR knows about it.  Just trying to figure out how the
> email address list was derived.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Odd email about Double Radius
>
>
>
> I haven't seen it. Are you sure it's not some kind of malware attack or
> phishing scam?
>
>
>
> On Mar 14, 2017 2:27 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Did anyone receive an odd email about Double Radius going out of
> business?  It certainly is not true.  I think it said something about them
> losing UBNT as a product line.  I think I tossed it.  There are others that
> would like  to see it if anyone has a copy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FW: Fiber termination DLX to LC

[Chuck Hogg]

Why not just use a LC/SC coupler?  All the cellular guys do a jumper from
their mains to a transition box.  Seems easy enough to just get a jumper
between the two?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> You can see the one cable we were working with (no strength member).  But,
> I can get the DLX cables that do have the strength members.  I have to
> order these cables (10 to 12 week lead time, but that’s another issue)
>
>
>
> And, we have a lot of these flat cables (excess) that we want to put an
> end on as well (with strength members) – Attached pictures.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2017 2:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: Fiber termination DLX to LC
>
>
>
> Does the cable you need to splice to have a strength member?  i.s kevlar
> strands or something like that?  They need to for these particular
> connectors.  If you end up using these, I have a bunch I could sell at a
> good discount.  They don't work with the 3mm cable we use.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I’ll check this out.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2017 1:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: Fiber termination DLX to LC
>
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The main thing about the DLX is that it is meant for outdoor/harsh
> environment. It's not clear why your drop isn't DLX-DLX. Then at the ONT
> just do a DLX-LC patch?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 8:25 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> Yes J
>
>
>
> That is the exact point/challenge/question.
>
>
>
> I am doing the fusion splice (picture should have been attached).  Either
> chopping the end off a DLX test cable (all they had available sometimes –
> pictured) and splicing in an LC OR taking DLX flat drop cable with no end
> and splicing.
>
>
>
> The “problem” with that method is that you end up with a relatively weak
> unprotected cable that we have to “make into” a more solid cable by placing
> inside a Cat5 or plastic tubing.
>
>
>
> Looking for a more professional solution
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2017 11:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FW: Fiber termination DLX to LC
>
>
>
> Fusion splicer?  Order cables without end?
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804>
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:31 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> With picture this time.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2017 10:11 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Fiber termination DLX to LC
>
>
>
> When we ordered our MST’s, we were surprised that Commscope doesn’t make
> (even with special order), any drop cable that terminates into LC ends.  We
> run the MST up the tower than connect an UBNT S16 /R6 or BH radios with
> fiber from there.
>
>
>
> We have doing this with a “test cable” and then placing the whole assembly
> inside a Cat5 outdoor cable *by slitting the Cat5, then taping it up when
> we are done OR putting it in some small black flex tube (or both).
>
>
>
> There has to be a more professional way to get this done.  Maybe an
> assembly company we can have make it up for us.  We can also get the actual
> drop cable in a short length but we still face the same prospect of a
> flimsy termination section that we then have to protect.  I can get a
> bigger fanout fiber at the LC end but there is still likely going to be
> exposed “smaller cable” to get sealed and ruggedized.
>
>
>
> Seeking a good solution, with the other side benefit being there are some
> small towers where I will have a single LC connection at the top for an R6
> (micropop) or even and S16 and I have a bunch of flat drop cable I can
> easily put a couple ends on if I can get it ruggedized from there.
>
>
>
> This is probably a newbie type question, but we are not fiber ninjas as of
> yet J
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <%28772%29%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...

I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
>
>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>
>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
>> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
>> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
>> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
>> split.  Check Alibaba.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>>> another OLT if needed.
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
>>> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>>>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>>>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that
>>>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>>>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>>>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>>>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
>>>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>>>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>>>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>>>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>>
>>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>>
>>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>>>
>>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>>>> http://www.race.com
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <
>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
>>>> and watching Netflix.
>>>>
>>>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>>>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
>>>> switch. Th

Re: [AFMUG] Zirkel Mounts for radios

[Chuck Hogg]

I'd email Sean, s...@zirkel.us

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> Haven't seen that mount before.  If you have trouble finding them the
> Mimosa "FlexiMount" might be a good alternative (~$7 MSRP)
> : http://mimosa.co/product#accessories-section
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I've always bought these off Ebay
>> [image: 10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and
>> Ubiquiti Antennas]
>>
>> '10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and Ubiquiti
>> Antennas'  I've always referred to them as 'Zirkel' Mounts.  The last
>> auction expired in Feburary, and there don't' seem to be any others right
>> now.  Does anyone know where to get these from?  My Stock is out.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pack-of-Antenna-Mounts-for-Motoro
>> la-Cambium-Canopy-and-Ubiquiti-Antennas-/141266325396?hash=i
>> tem20e4210f94:m:mbtRpGADYgZayq8reDNnwNw
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>> another OLT if needed.
>>
>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
>> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>>
>>>
>>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>>
>>>
>>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that
>>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
>>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>
>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>>
>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>>> http://www.race.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
>>> and watching Netflix.
>>>
>>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
>>> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
>>> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
>>> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
>>> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
>>> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>>>
>>> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood
>>> of rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
>>> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
>>> build it.
>>>
>>> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> Alphion does, yes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What kind of costs are you talking?
>>> Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?
>>>
>>> Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
>>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Saturday, March 04,
>>> 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG]
>>> Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>> We're looking to do another "fiberhood" with GPON instead of AE this
>>> time around. I remember Chuck Hogg mentioned Alphion. Has anyone deployed
>>> the AOLT-4200? Looks like a good solution. Or what else have you used for
>>> small deployments?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
split.  Check Alibaba.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>
>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>>
>>
>>
>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the future.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>
>>
>>
>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>
>>
>>
>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can still
>> supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that much
>> on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially backwards
>> compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like mine. But
>> again, lots of power is required.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>>
>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>>
>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>
>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>
>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>> http://www.race.com
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
>> and watching Netflix.
>>
>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
>> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
>> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
>> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
>> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
>> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>>
>> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood of
>> rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
>> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
>> build it.
>>
>> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Alphion does, yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> What kind of costs are you talking?
>> Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?
>>
>> Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Saturday, March 04,
>> 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG]
>> Small-scale GPON
>>
>> We're looking to do another "fiberhood" with GPON instead of AE this time
>> around. I remember Chuck Hogg mentioned Alphion. Has anyone deployed the
>> AOLT-4200? Looks like a good solution. Or what else have you used for small
>> deployments?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Chuck Hogg]

Honestly, I think it brings legitimacy to WISPA...there's multiple
countries that have used that logo.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Or just hijacks your whole online presence.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/WISPAP/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:05:20 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your
> logo...
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Comprehensive Timeclock Software

[Chuck Hogg]

We use Tsheets

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:37 PM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Try Tsheets Uattend is the worst
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 12:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I use Timeforce.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Looking for Comprehensive Timeclock Software
>
>
> I see Timeforce all over the place, in every industry we work with. Either
> its really good and versatile or there is a regional sales rep in this area
> who has been living on red bull and cocaine for the last decade
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Ryan  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> My company currently uses uAttend for tracking time for all of our
> employees (office personnel, field technicians, tower technicians, etc),
> and we have come across a couple of glaring problems that it has. It is
> very difficult (pretty much impossible) to track time for specific projects
> that are done, and our employees cannot look at how much PTO time they have
> available. We are otherwise pretty happy with this software (the phone app
> is great for clocking in/out of jobs, and it tracks regular time/overtime
> well).
>
>
>
> Has anyone else on this list come across a better piece of software that
> could help to accomplish these tasks?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
> --
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference

[Chuck Hogg]

Not only that but they have lost, and continue to lose in TN.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:00 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> LOL !...
>
> I find it very ironic and humorous It was the Tennessee ISP's  who
> many years ago voted for FISPA to not be an advocacy organization as
> such they have to keep doing the tip toe tap dance. !
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 2:14:58 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
> Maybe I misunderstood the last session there with the FCC and what was
> being discussed.  They did say that throwing a ton of money at being a
> lobbyist made no sense.  However, they DID have people at the Tennessee
> meetings on broadband and coordinated that appearance with other ISPs
> attending.   And, they did say how to personally address the issue with the
> FCC and state entities.  Template letters (ala WISPA) were brought up, etc.
>
>
>
> For what is worth….
>
>
>
> OK, I’m done.  Back to making money from all the stuff I learned at the
> FISPA conference J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 2:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
>
>
> Context Context Context ..
>
>
>
> What Fred Stated (on the WISPA list)  earlier was accurate and factual.
>
> I also have no ill will or desire to speak ill of FISPA, after all I am
> and have been a member for the last 20+ years (am getting too old to count).
>
>
>
> Buying group,  Information sharing, facilitating dialog etc etc etc, yes
> absolutely ..
>
> Advocacy group, they are not.
>
>
>
> At the present time they have morphed into more of CLEC's and Fiber
> Provider's association vs just ISP's (most of their members were ISP's and
> have grown up !).
>
>
>
> They do presentations at the meetings in regards to the Legal affairs and
> the status of where things are.. the Legal Advisors Kris and others have
> common clients with the FISPA membership.  But as an association taking an
> active position or role with legislative affairs is something they very
> much choose not to do.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 1:35:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
> OK I saw some perspectives on the WISPA list…. My response there was….
>
>
>
> Um…. You guys need to take a new look at this.  Either everything they
> said from the platform is a lie, of they are indeed working for a “spot at
> the table”, so to speak.
>
>
>
> The “buying part” (ATT) was about 20% of the conference.  And, the
> perspective about where ATT sits within the group of mostly small fish
> within the attendees was transparent and “not a thing” so to speak.
>
>
>
> Maybe it started out the way you recall it, but I took nothing away from
> the conference but them being what you described, from the very helpful
> session tracts to the panels of attorneys that can fight the battles we
> need to the final meeting with FCC representation and discussions on what
> we can do to increase the little guys presence with the FCC and provide
> input and influence on policy.
>
>
>
> SMH  / ??
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 10:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
>
>
> >>They are parallel organization to WISPA,  and our fighting for our seat
> at the table with legislators.
>
>
>
> I would seriously challenge that statement, especially the last half of
> the above sentence..
>
>
>
> Please read carefully !..
>
>
>
> http://www.fispa.org/about-us/
>
>
>
> http://www.fispa.org/about-us/mission/
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul McCall" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 9:00:51 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] FISPA conference
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> Just throwing this out there.  If you are doing FTTX or even with your
> towers, you should consider joining FISPA.  They are parallel organization
> to WISPA and our fighting for our seat at the table with legislators.  A
> LOT is up in the air right now regulatory wise, and supporting 

Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow

[Chuck Hogg]

It does the PM stuff...it's just a learned method on their system.  I'm
actually very happy with the initials of this product, it texts the
customers when the installer/tech is on the way, it tells them who to
expect with a picture.  They are able to communicate and see where the tech
is and how long it will take him to get there... While not a billing
solution/system at all by any means, it has some nice features.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

> No, I dug into a few of the field management products when I built the
> scheduling system in Sonar, but I haven't seen this one before. Doesn't
> look like it would do the project management stuff, but it looks pretty
> good from the website.
>
> On 12/15/2016 2:40 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> Have you looked at HouseCall Pro?  We're going to deploy it on our next
> project.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
> wrote:
>
>> The customer can be assigned to tasks, but you have to invite them to the
>> project. They don't have to 'join' the dapulse team, they just join a
>> specific project that you have explicitly invited them to. They can provide
>> most updates via email if you prefer doing it that way, once they are
>> connected to the project.
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/2016 11:41 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been looking at dapulse and it looks great so that is a good
>> endorsement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some day I’ll have cost justification to move from Plat to Sonar, cause I
>> really like the look of what you are doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only thing I see as lacking with dapulse is the ability to cue in the
>> customer attributed to the task without having them join the system.
>>
>>
>>
>> I didn’t list that feature, but ideally it would allow the customer
>> access to track progress too, and make a new claim for support.
>>
>>
>>
>> I had wanted to build my own system/app for this, but why re-invent the
>> wheel.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:58 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow
>>
>>
>>
>> We went through a number of these to use to track Sonar customer
>> onboarding, and after trying a bunch, the one we settled on is
>> www.dapulse.com
>>
>> I don't know if it'd fit your needs precisely, but it does handle well
>> setting up projects, assigning responsible parties, and two things that
>> made it work well for us is that it's simple to create additional columns
>> you want to track (that can be a date, text field, etc), and custom
>> statuses for each of those columns, as well as involving outside parties in
>> individual projects if needed.
>>
>> It's reasonably cheap, we've been happy with it so far.
>>
>> On 12/14/2016 4:37 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>>
>> Those are collaboration tools though … slack/teams etc ….
>>
>>
>>
>> I really like Atlassian stuff in general (minus the fact that it runs 
>> Tomcat/Java under the hood) …. JIRA Core can do that kind of stuff for 
>> example (workflow automation)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> 
>> <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Microsoft has announced Teams which will be part of office365.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>>
>> Von: Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> <af...@zirkel.us>
>>
>> Datum: 14.12.16 06:26 (GMT+01:00)
>>
>> An: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Simon Westlake
>>
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Sonar Software Inc
>>
>> The future of ISP billing and OSS
>>
>> https://sonar.software
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] wisp hanging on by a thread

[Chuck Hogg]

I'd start contacting their tower owners...see if you can take over the
sites.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Air Link  wrote:

> If I were you I would contact the bank that is doing the repossession ...
> They might be willing to work with you to recover some of their loss.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 1:58 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> So there is a WISP near us who we recently started coordinating with on
>> frequencies, etc.
>>
>> Last Friday, the reached out and asked if we'd like to buy them.
>>
>> Then later that day they stated they were in a contract negotiation with
>> their bandwidth provider and didn't see a solution.
>>
>> Over the weekend I spoke with someone else who had been affiliated with
>> this company and basically their NOC has been
>> repossessed by the bank.
>>
>> Monday they reached out and asked if we might sell them bandwidth.  I
>> told them we'd discuss it internally.
>>
>> Today I see on their facebook page their fiber is down - so this is day
>> one of their going away, I'd assume.
>>
>> There is likely no time left for vetting or due diligence on reviewing
>> this ISP for purchase so at this point it is likely a long shot.
>>
>> My question - I assume you would all advise run run run as fast as you
>> can.
>>
>> From the time a WISP loses their bandwidth (and thus can't provide
>> service) what is the rate of customer exodus?
>> If we came to an agreement and resumed services say - just in time for
>> Christmas - what percentage would you all guess
>> the customer base would have departed?
>>
>> I am told they have 250 + or -
>>
>> I don't know if they're in an area where they are losing to the incumbent
>> phone provider or cable provider.
>> (I know they are in centurylink territory)
>>
>> I know our closest tower to them is 18 miles - but they're probably six
>> hops from our head end.
>>
>> Merry Christmas. :)
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow

[Chuck Hogg]

Have you looked at HouseCall Pro?  We're going to deploy it on our next
project.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Simon Westlake 
wrote:

> The customer can be assigned to tasks, but you have to invite them to the
> project. They don't have to 'join' the dapulse team, they just join a
> specific project that you have explicitly invited them to. They can provide
> most updates via email if you prefer doing it that way, once they are
> connected to the project.
>
>
> On 12/14/2016 11:41 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> I’ve been looking at dapulse and it looks great so that is a good
> endorsement.
>
>
>
> Some day I’ll have cost justification to move from Plat to Sonar, cause I
> really like the look of what you are doing.
>
>
>
> The only thing I see as lacking with dapulse is the ability to cue in the
> customer attributed to the task without having them join the system.
>
>
>
> I didn’t list that feature, but ideally it would allow the customer access
> to track progress too, and make a new claim for support.
>
>
>
> I had wanted to build my own system/app for this, but why re-invent the
> wheel.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow
>
>
>
> We went through a number of these to use to track Sonar customer
> onboarding, and after trying a bunch, the one we settled on is
> www.dapulse.com
>
> I don't know if it'd fit your needs precisely, but it does handle well
> setting up projects, assigning responsible parties, and two things that
> made it work well for us is that it's simple to create additional columns
> you want to track (that can be a date, text field, etc), and custom
> statuses for each of those columns, as well as involving outside parties in
> individual projects if needed.
>
> It's reasonably cheap, we've been happy with it so far.
>
> On 12/14/2016 4:37 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>
> Those are collaboration tools though … slack/teams etc ….
>
>
>
> I really like Atlassian stuff in general (minus the fact that it runs 
> Tomcat/Java under the hood) …. JIRA Core can do that kind of stuff for 
> example (workflow automation)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 12:57 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
>  wrote:
>
>
>
> Microsoft has announced Teams which will be part of office365.
>
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>
> Von: Sean Heskett  
>
> Datum: 14.12.16 06:26 (GMT+01:00)
>
> An: af@afmug.com
>
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Scheduling/work flow
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake
>
> Email: simon@sonar.software
>
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>
> ---
>
> Sonar Software Inc
>
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
>
> https://sonar.software
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs

[Chuck Hogg]

I do this trick, it works perfectly...you can even do about a dozen eggs in
tupperware with the same methodology in less than 30 seconds.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> I guess you have not seen this technique ?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkWISKfgqZ0
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:54:16 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Boiled eggs
>
> Just peeled about 2 dzn eggs.  Seemed like when I was a kid we put vinegar
> in the water to help the shells slough off.  But trying the same trick
> today seems like  the shells are super glued to the egg.   Anybody got a
> good method?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank

[Chuck Hogg]

Blaze Pizza is similar here and is pretty good.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> Imagine Chipotle but with fire roasted pizzas instead of Tex/Mex. Super
> happy employees, modern atmosphere.
>
> On Nov 8, 2016 9:26 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> So, how are they better/different than the others?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2016 8:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank
>>
>>
>> Oops, forgot the link.
>>
>> https://modpizza.com/leadership/
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2016 9:15 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty O/T, but you should look at the the team MOD Pizza put together
>>> over the past few years. Those guys are going places, and the food is great!
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 8:56 AM, "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, we can walk away if we can't come to a win/win deal.
>>>>
>>>> We aren't really looking for other investors... it's not about the
>>>> money. We are looking for people that bring connections. My partner knows
>>>> the former CEO of Skullcandy and he is interested (and has already invested
>>>> in a different company we own). It's not about getting capital... it's
>>>> about finding people that bring more to the table.
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/7/2016 3:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can you walk away?
>>>> Do you want other investors?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 3:34 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank
>>>>
>>>> The actual deal paperwork is substantially different than the show...
>>>> and I am now hearing from others that have been on previous shows that this
>>>> is "normal". They have added royalties, commissions, bonuses and other
>>>> "perks" (free product at cost), and they aren't really putting any cash
>>>> into the business... instead they want an "option" to purchase equity at
>>>> the offer price, but up to 5 years from now.
>>>>
>>>> As I said, we are still in negotiations. I am guessing most people on
>>>> the show think this is a "normal" deal and so they accept it. Luckily for
>>>> Megan (the Founder), we are involved. :)   Having just completed a Series A
>>>> investment round for another company (raising $7 million, including a large
>>>> investment from Salesforce Ventures), we have a lot of experience with
>>>> putting deals together. As it is written now, it's a terrible deal... but
>>>> this company has some huge potential... so we are still working it out. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Our biggest irritation is when someone says "that's just how we do it"
>>>> or "this is normal". We have never accepted any investment deal (on either
>>>> side of the table) as it was originally written... even with someone like
>>>> Salesforce Ventures, who has done over 280 investments in the last 5 years.
>>>> We made them make changes on their "standard" investment documents that we
>>>> weren't comfortable with. We have made large investment banks make changes
>>>> to their loan documents (requiring a Senior VP approval) in order for them
>>>> to get the deal. :)
>>>>
>>>> Travis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/7/2016 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Doesn’t sound like it if there are commissions and royalties now.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 1:47 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank
>>>>
>>>> The big question, is it still what the offer was on the show?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Correct. We only got the actual deal paperwork from him three weeks
>>>>> ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Travis
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/7/2016 10:56 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank

[Chuck Hogg]

The big question, is it still what the offer was on the show?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

> Correct. We only got the actual deal paperwork from him three weeks ago.
>
> Travis
>
> On 11/7/2016 10:56 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> Wow.  So since June and still no deal with Daymond?
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, filmed in June. We spent $4,000 on FB ads and generated $108,000 in
>> sales. We also blew up the FB and Instagram pages, and ran a BOGO sale all
>> at the same time. We have over 200k followers on FB right now.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 10:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> So it must have been filmed in June.
>> She mentioned dumping a bunch of coin on advertising.  Was that all on FB?
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 10:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank
>>
>> Honestly, not much... :(
>>
>> Over the last 3 days, we have seen about $70,000 in additional sales...
>> so it made a difference, but not what we were hoping for. Our single
>> biggest day was in June this year, when we went all out on marketing and FB
>> ads and we did $108,000 in sales in a single day.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 10:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> What did the show to to sales in the past few days?
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 10:05 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Shark Tank episode was very edited and chopped together. She was
>> actually in front of the sharks for over 90 minutes... they cut it down to
>> 8. Here is the basic summary:
>>
>> She started the company with her brother after he gave her about $2,000
>> to buy inventory. They tried out for Shark Tank (4 years ago) and didn't
>> make it past the first stage. Another person saw a local news episode about
>> her and the company, and contacted her. He gave her $3,000 in cash, and
>> paid her rent for a year in exchange for 50% of the company (basically
>> buying out her brother).
>>
>> Those two were involved for about 2 months before they realized they
>> needed more money and expertise to make anything happen. They contacted me
>> via email, and we had a meeting. We told them in the meeting we would do an
>> investment, and asked how much and what they would give up. They told us
>> $30,000 for 50% of the company. We gave them exactly what they asked for.
>> Also, at this point, her total sales for all of 2014 was $7,000. That's
>> TOTAL SALES... not profit. So there are four of us, each at 25% ownership
>> right now.
>>
>> We then took the company from $9,000 total sales in 2014 to $1 million in
>> sales in 2015. We provided business experience, obtained a line of credit
>> at the bank, helped setup the e-commerce website, helped finance inventory
>> (doing a personal loan to the company), etc.
>>
>> We then put a CEO in late 2015 that has helped take the company from $1
>> million in 2015 to now we will do over $4 million in 2016.
>>
>> There is not a single person I know of that would have invested $30k to a
>> business that had only done $7k in total sales for the year. No shark, no
>> other investor I have ever talked to about this deal. Everyone just laughs
>> when I tell them.
>>
>> This episode was actually filmed about three months ago. We only received
>> paperwork from Daymond's group about two weeks ago, and we are still in
>> negotiation with him. The deal paperwork is SUBSTANTIALLY different than
>> the episode shows ($400k for 20%). He has had no involvement with the
>> company thus far, and does not have any ownership or equity yet.
>>
>> Reality TV is not very real. LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> So Travis, are you a 1/5th partner now instead of a 1/4th?  Not bad that
>> you got in that cheap and Daymond paid some major change.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Odd, I was expecting Kevin but you got Daymond and nothing was mentioned
>>> about royalties.
>>> Did she say she had $100K revenue in one day?
>>> What e commerce platform?
>>> Where was that ad buy she mentioned?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/2016 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> So Travis, are you a 1/5th partner now instead of a 1/4th?  Not bad that
>> you got in that cheap and Daymond paid some major change.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Odd, I was expecting Kevin but you got Daymond and nothing was mentioned
>>> about royalties.
>>> Did she say she had $100K revenue in one day?
>>> What e commerce platform?
>>> Where was that ad buy she mentioned?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank

[Chuck Hogg]

Wow.  So since June and still no deal with Daymond?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

> Yes, filmed in June. We spent $4,000 on FB ads and generated $108,000 in
> sales. We also blew up the FB and Instagram pages, and ran a BOGO sale all
> at the same time. We have over 200k followers on FB right now.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 11/7/2016 10:35 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So it must have been filmed in June.
> She mentioned dumping a bunch of coin on advertising.  Was that all on FB?
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 10:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank
>
> Honestly, not much... :(
>
> Over the last 3 days, we have seen about $70,000 in additional sales... so
> it made a difference, but not what we were hoping for. Our single biggest
> day was in June this year, when we went all out on marketing and FB ads and
> we did $108,000 in sales in a single day.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 11/7/2016 10:07 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> What did the show to to sales in the past few days?
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2016 10:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank
>
> Hi,
>
> The Shark Tank episode was very edited and chopped together. She was
> actually in front of the sharks for over 90 minutes... they cut it down to
> 8. Here is the basic summary:
>
> She started the company with her brother after he gave her about $2,000 to
> buy inventory. They tried out for Shark Tank (4 years ago) and didn't make
> it past the first stage. Another person saw a local news episode about her
> and the company, and contacted her. He gave her $3,000 in cash, and paid
> her rent for a year in exchange for 50% of the company (basically buying
> out her brother).
>
> Those two were involved for about 2 months before they realized they
> needed more money and expertise to make anything happen. They contacted me
> via email, and we had a meeting. We told them in the meeting we would do an
> investment, and asked how much and what they would give up. They told us
> $30,000 for 50% of the company. We gave them exactly what they asked for.
> Also, at this point, her total sales for all of 2014 was $7,000. That's
> TOTAL SALES... not profit. So there are four of us, each at 25% ownership
> right now.
>
> We then took the company from $9,000 total sales in 2014 to $1 million in
> sales in 2015. We provided business experience, obtained a line of credit
> at the bank, helped setup the e-commerce website, helped finance inventory
> (doing a personal loan to the company), etc.
>
> We then put a CEO in late 2015 that has helped take the company from $1
> million in 2015 to now we will do over $4 million in 2016.
>
> There is not a single person I know of that would have invested $30k to a
> business that had only done $7k in total sales for the year. No shark, no
> other investor I have ever talked to about this deal. Everyone just laughs
> when I tell them.
>
> This episode was actually filmed about three months ago. We only received
> paperwork from Daymond's group about two weeks ago, and we are still in
> negotiation with him. The deal paperwork is SUBSTANTIALLY different than
> the episode shows ($400k for 20%). He has had no involvement with the
> company thus far, and does not have any ownership or equity yet.
>
> Reality TV is not very real. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 11/7/2016 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> So Travis, are you a 1/5th partner now instead of a 1/4th?  Not bad that
> you got in that cheap and Daymond paid some major change.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Odd, I was expecting Kevin but you got Daymond and nothing was mentioned
>> about royalties.
>> Did she say she had $100K revenue in one day?
>> What e commerce platform?
>> Where was that ad buy she mentioned?
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/7/2016 8:56 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>
> So Travis, are you a 1/5th partner now instead of a 1/4th?  Not bad that
> you got in that cheap and Daymond paid some major change.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Odd, I was expecting Kevin but you got Daymond and nothing was mentioned
>> about royalties.
>> Did she say she had $100K revenue in one day?
>> What e commerce platform?
>> Where was that ad buy she mentioned?
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Travis and Shark Tank

[Chuck Hogg]

So Travis, are you a 1/5th partner now instead of a 1/4th?  Not bad that
you got in that cheap and Daymond paid some major change.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 12:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Odd, I was expecting Kevin but you got Daymond and nothing was mentioned
> about royalties.
> Did she say she had $100K revenue in one day?
> What e commerce platform?
> Where was that ad buy she mentioned?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Chuck Hogg]

Is that a sign truck crane? 90'?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:

> Yeah, we’ve done it a handful of times now, 190’ is the tallest we’ve done
> in one pick, just used a lot bigger crane [image: Smile].
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.
>
> Made it look easy.  We put up a 160' and were too afraid to do it in one
> pick.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net> wrote:
>
>> Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100
>> 900Mhz. to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls in
>> there too.  The take down of old tower and installation of new tower only
>> took a couple of hours once the crane got there, as we had to move the old
>> 900mhz. from one tower to the next.
>>
>> http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Chuck Hogg]

Made it look easy.  We put up a 160' and were too afraid to do it in one
pick.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:

> Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100
> 900Mhz. to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls in
> there too.  The take down of old tower and installation of new tower only
> took a couple of hours once the crane got there, as we had to move the old
> 900mhz. from one tower to the next.
>
> http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

[Chuck Hogg]

The ones linked in TJ's link is definitely not the field mechanical
splices.  It's the simple epoxy/polish ends.

We've used these with success...as long as the cable is the right size.
http://www.sweetplaza.com/good-quality-of-popular-huamai-brand-fiber-junction-with-sc-port-singlemodel_p0978.html

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Those aren't field assembly connectors, ie the ones with a pre-cleaved
> polished stub and gel.  Those require epoxy and polishing.  Not sure why
> you would use them.  FS also carries field connectors in the splice on and
> index gel version.  If you are doing any kind of volume, it makes a whole
> lot more sense to buy pigtails for .65 each and splice them yourself.
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Yep
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 10:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC
>>
>> Jason:
>> Why? Because I don't want to buy a fusion splicer for one termination...
>>
>> Josh;
>> Saw those, just curuios to know how the cheapies work, 99% they are epoxy
>>
>> Chuck;
>> You would be talking about "quick" or "field" connectors that are 5-10$ ea
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ends are irrelivant. What's it cost in manpower alone to do it and fix
>>> that cheap shit, get big, pay a manager to deal with it. Or buy a cost
>>> effective  splicer from the get go and quilt F-ing with it. I'm at a point
>>> now with anything fiber related all I will do with the company is what the
>>> boss says, outside of that I deal with my partner. I won't grow the fiber
>>> side period.
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 10:19 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 No epoxy.  No polishing.  They already have a very short piece of
 cleaved fiber in them and it is already epoxied into the business end and
 polished.

 *From:* TJ Trout
 *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

 I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you
 terminate them? could someone link a video?

 I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?

>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tips for pulling through existing innerduct

[Chuck Hogg]

I'd pull fiber and Cat5, so if you mess it up, you can replace it.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> How long is the run? Is this a 3mm indoor fiber or something tougher
> deaigned for outdoor use? I would be nervous about damaging an indoor fiber
> trying to pull another past it.
>
> On Oct 7, 2016 6:35 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>
>> I have a 1-1/4 innerduct with one of my upstream carriers small 3mm fiber
>> in it and I would like to pull a single cat5 through as well to reach a
>> customer what tips do you guys have to avoid damaging the existing cable ?
>>
>> I don't have a mule tape installed so I will have to run a fish tape
>> through and pull the line or a tape back through. I have several sweeps so
>> I was planning to use some Klein canned foam lube into the duct ...
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google's new router

[Chuck Hogg]

Concept is very similar to AmpliFi

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Robert  wrote:

> Google is the basis of "1984" but it will be that way in "2084"...  With
> the change of "Do no evil" to "You will do no evil" in respect to their
> customers...   This is why they get what they want very quickly with the
> feds...
>
>
> On 10/5/16 7:19 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> http://www.businessinsider.com/google-wifi-router-announced-
>> release-date-specs-2016-10
>>
>>
>> So, now they will be able to track every single thing that an entire
>> household does, all directly from the Wifi router. :(
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Chuck Hogg]

I'll sell my itelites for a good price...75% off!

On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Those aren't shipping yet are they?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 6:20 PM, "Jason Wilson"  > wrote:
>
>> http://www.ignitenet.com/products/fusion-sector/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736
>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dual band.  One mount point double the capacity.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:25 PM, "Daniel White" >> > wrote:
>>>
 RF Elements is the OEM on the old Cambium ePMP sectors.  The new 5GHz
 ones are pretty slick… and well priced.



 Is there a reason not to use the Cambium setup?



 Daniel White

 Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

 ConVergence Technologies

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 dwh...@converge-tech.com
 



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 ] *On Behalf Of *Paul
 McCall
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:57 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual
 Frequency sector



 Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
 Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity



 KP is very ‘spensive



 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800

 pa...@pdmnet.net 

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com






 
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 www.avast.com
 

>>>
>>

-- 
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 900MHz SM's

[Chuck Hogg]

Ok, I'm set.  Thanks for helping out everyone!

Regards,
Chuck

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

> Hello:
>
> I know some of you have a ton of these and don't use them anymore.  I need
> about 25 units.  Send me an email off-list with offers.  Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>

[AFMUG] WTB: 900MHz SM's

[Chuck Hogg]

Hello:

I know some of you have a ton of these and don't use them anymore.  I need
about 25 units.  Send me an email off-list with offers.  Thanks!

Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Short fiber trench

[Chuck Hogg]

We're talking with a plow bladenot drill.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Unless you have bored it first and are backpulling, right?
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Short fiber trench
>
> Pulling conduit can result in it basically squeezing itself thin too...I
> can't go more than 150-300' without busting conduit by pulling here.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm talking about conduit, not the fiber itself.
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 25, 2016, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dont pull in.  Fiber is not meant for that.
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 25, 2016, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are those pull-in only or do they have a chute blade available? I'd
>>>> think that it would be pretty difficult to pull-in 600' without breaking it
>>>> into sections.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 25, 2016, Joe Falaschi <listm...@wi.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We’ve used Toro Dingos with the vibratory plow for small projects like
>>>>> this.  It was pretty easy and inexpensive to rent.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just trench it yourself if none of the property owners have an issue
>>>>> with it.  Do yourself a favor and get a trencher with a back-fill blade
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Aaron Fitzgerald <aa...@wifitz.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey guys --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd been talking with a local data center and fiber contractor in
>>>>>> town about running dark fiber from the data center to a cell tower that 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> about 600ft from the exterior pull boxes. Both the fiber carrier I have
>>>>>> been talking to and the data center have their own pull box. The fiber
>>>>>> company wants around $100k in total for NRC + 5 yr MRC. Seems way too
>>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The data center owner asked a fairly obvious question: the run is
>>>>>> short, why not do it yourself? To be honest it's not something Id' ever
>>>>>> considered. The data center is willing to let me pay for a cross to the
>>>>>> carrier hotel, pull fiber to his outside pullbox and connect to the 
>>>>>> outside
>>>>>> world from there. The land owner where the cell tower sits would be game 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> well -- I'd be paying him rent for usage of the tower afterall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would one even get started with this? Ease and pros/cons of
>>>>>> boring vs trenching? I don't imagine I would need to worry about any
>>>>>> protection from conduit on a run this short
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Fiber newb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>>>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>>>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>>>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>>>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Short fiber trench

[Chuck Hogg]

Dont pull in.  Fiber is not meant for that.

On Monday, July 25, 2016, Jason McKemie 
wrote:

> Are those pull-in only or do they have a chute blade available? I'd think
> that it would be pretty difficult to pull-in 600' without breaking it into
> sections.
>
> On Monday, July 25, 2016, Joe Falaschi  > wrote:
>
>> We’ve used Toro Dingos with the vibratory plow for small projects like
>> this.  It was pretty easy and inexpensive to rent.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just trench it yourself if none of the property owners have an issue with
>> it.  Do yourself a favor and get a trencher with a back-fill blade though.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 6:36 PM, Aaron Fitzgerald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys --
>>>
>>> I'd been talking with a local data center and fiber contractor in town
>>> about running dark fiber from the data center to a cell tower that is about
>>> 600ft from the exterior pull boxes. Both the fiber carrier I have been
>>> talking to and the data center have their own pull box. The fiber company
>>> wants around $100k in total for NRC + 5 yr MRC. Seems way too expensive.
>>>
>>> The data center owner asked a fairly obvious question: the run is short,
>>> why not do it yourself? To be honest it's not something Id' ever
>>> considered. The data center is willing to let me pay for a cross to the
>>> carrier hotel, pull fiber to his outside pullbox and connect to the outside
>>> world from there. The land owner where the cell tower sits would be game as
>>> well -- I'd be paying him rent for usage of the tower afterall.
>>>
>>> How would one even get started with this? Ease and pros/cons of boring
>>> vs trenching? I don't imagine I would need to worry about any protection
>>> from conduit on a run this short
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> /Fiber newb
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>> Phone: 319/540-8999
>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>>>
>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>>
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber toolbox

[Chuck Hogg]

That was kind of the whole point of his post request I thought...he didn't
want to piece meal it together...and wanted it to be a little more
structured for the job.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not that particular kit, no, I just got tired of seeing people spend $1200
> on a fiber kit from Fiberstore that they could have pieced together for
> $500 from ebay/amazon/china...  There's so many things there which are
> consumables that are 6x overpriced compared to their actual market costs.
> The one thing fiberstore has going for it is when you need something you
> forgot in 1-2 days and can order it with next day fedex shipping from
> somewhere in CONUS.
>
> It's like if somebody came to you and said they got an amazing deal on an
> Intel consumer-class 240GB SATA3 SSD for only $700. And they thought it was
> a good price.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not trying to argue...and I really don't care about FIS...but the
>> quality of mine have been fine.  I've travelled with them as checked
>> baggage on multiple trips.  I've had them in the field for 3 years and not
>> one of them broken yet.
>>
>> Just curious, did you buy one and have a bad experience?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's not a real Pelican, it's a Chinese copy of a Pelican, like the
>>> cheap ones they sell for $45 at Frys...
>>>
>>> If you ever see them side by side the difference is immediately
>>> apparent. I have a Pelican 1495, 1510 and a whole bunch of 1620.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's not exactly fair.  $85?  Fair enough, you could buy them
>>>> individually from china cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> The nice pelican case isn't cheap, those alone are $150+ as blanks on
>>>> eBay.  $400 for a nice kit that has most of the tools in a nicely done
>>>> carrying case isn't a bad buy in my opinion.  I'd spend an hour
>>>> individually buying them...time is worth money.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO that's way overpriced for what it is, basic hand tools from
>>>>> China...  If you subtract all the regular hand tools which are not fiber
>>>>> related, these items each cost like $5 to $10 a piece.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've marked in bold what is actually fiber related, you can buy these
>>>>> things individually via eBay for much cheaper. And buy more quantity of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> consumables you're going to run out of.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet this whole kit costs them less than $85 to buy in pieces from
>>>>> china and re-sell...
>>>>>
>>>>> For $395 you don't even get a cleaver?  Not even a basic one such as:
>>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-FC-6S-Precision-Cleaver-Optical-Fiber-Sumitomo-Electric-Cut-Cutting-Tools-/251523029905?hash=item3a8ff0db91:g:AccAAOSwP~tW1mQc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>- PVC Electrical Tape (F1-0008) -
>>>>> *probably shit, replace with 3M super 33 or super 88 *
>>>>>-
>>>>> *2 oz. Cleaning Solvent (F1-6706) - buy 99% isopropyl alcohol by the
>>>>>liter via amazon instead *
>>>>>-
>>>>> *Tri-Hole Fiber Stripper (F1-1301T) - search "fiber stripper" on eBay,
>>>>>anywhere from $6 to $25 *
>>>>>-
>>>>> *FIS Connector Cleaner (F1-7020-C) - I have no idea what this actually
>>>>>is, but you can buy individual SC and LC "click" connector cleaning 
>>>>> tools
>>>>>and several cletops instead and your consumables will last a great deal
>>>>>longer. *
>>>>>- Kevlar Scissors (F1-KS1) - *$10 max via ebay/china*
>>>>>
>>>>>- Jacket Stripper (F1-0016) - *$15-20 max via ebay/china*
>>>>>
>>>>>- Buffer Tube Stripper (F1-0017) - *$12 via ebay/china*
>>>>>
>>>>>- Round Cable Slitter (MK02) - *$10-12 via ebay/china*
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber toolbox

[Chuck Hogg]

I'm not trying to argue...and I really don't care about FIS...but the
quality of mine have been fine.  I've travelled with them as checked
baggage on multiple trips.  I've had them in the field for 3 years and not
one of them broken yet.

Just curious, did you buy one and have a bad experience?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's not a real Pelican, it's a Chinese copy of a Pelican, like the
> cheap ones they sell for $45 at Frys...
>
> If you ever see them side by side the difference is immediately apparent.
> I have a Pelican 1495, 1510 and a whole bunch of 1620.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> That's not exactly fair.  $85?  Fair enough, you could buy them
>> individually from china cheaper.
>>
>> The nice pelican case isn't cheap, those alone are $150+ as blanks on
>> eBay.  $400 for a nice kit that has most of the tools in a nicely done
>> carrying case isn't a bad buy in my opinion.  I'd spend an hour
>> individually buying them...time is worth money.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> IMHO that's way overpriced for what it is, basic hand tools from
>>> China...  If you subtract all the regular hand tools which are not fiber
>>> related, these items each cost like $5 to $10 a piece.
>>>
>>> I've marked in bold what is actually fiber related, you can buy these
>>> things individually via eBay for much cheaper. And buy more quantity of the
>>> consumables you're going to run out of.
>>>
>>> I bet this whole kit costs them less than $85 to buy in pieces from
>>> china and re-sell...
>>>
>>> For $395 you don't even get a cleaver?  Not even a basic one such as:
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-FC-6S-Precision-Cleaver-Optical-Fiber-Sumitomo-Electric-Cut-Cutting-Tools-/251523029905?hash=item3a8ff0db91:g:AccAAOSwP~tW1mQc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- PVC Electrical Tape (F1-0008) -
>>> *probably shit, replace with 3M super 33 or super 88 *
>>>-
>>> *2 oz. Cleaning Solvent (F1-6706) - buy 99% isopropyl alcohol by the
>>>liter via amazon instead *
>>>-
>>> *Tri-Hole Fiber Stripper (F1-1301T) - search "fiber stripper" on eBay,
>>>anywhere from $6 to $25 *
>>>-
>>> *FIS Connector Cleaner (F1-7020-C) - I have no idea what this actually
>>>is, but you can buy individual SC and LC "click" connector cleaning tools
>>>and several cletops instead and your consumables will last a great deal
>>>longer. *
>>>- Kevlar Scissors (F1-KS1) - *$10 max via ebay/china*
>>>
>>>- Jacket Stripper (F1-0016) - *$15-20 max via ebay/china*
>>>
>>>- Buffer Tube Stripper (F1-0017) - *$12 via ebay/china*
>>>
>>>- Round Cable Slitter (MK02) - *$10-12 via ebay/china*
>>>
>>>- 6” Side Cutting Pliers (200038)
>>>- (50) Foam Swabs (F1-0005)
>>>- Cleaning Tissue (F1-6705)
>>>- Utility Knife (F1-0023)
>>>- Tweezers (F1-0019)
>>>- Needle Nose Pliers (100021)
>>>- Piano Wire (F1-8265K)
>>>- 4 Bit Screwdriver (F1-0027)
>>>- Black Marker (F1-9104)
>>>- Safety Glasses (F1-1S13390C)
>>>-
>>> *(5) Degreaser Wipes (F1-1010) - buy a huge bulk pack of no-lint fiber
>>>cleaning wipes via ebay or amazon instead for $15, it will last you 50x 
>>> as
>>>long. *
>>>- Black Work Mat (F1-0024)
>>>- Standard Fiber Disposal Unit (F1-8327)
>>>- Ruler (RMC-6)
>>>- Fabric Tape Measure (F1-8273)
>>>- 1/2" Nut Driver (1UG30)
>>>- (3) Economy Tie Labels (P50KIT)
>>>- Rugged Carry Case (F10053EY)
>>>-
>>> *(5) Fusion Splice Sleeve (F1-1002C) - wow, you get five whole splice
>>>sleeves. Instead you should buy bulk 100 packs of different size splice
>>>sleeves from fiberstore.com <http://fiberstore.com> , they're like 
>>> $0.021 a
>>>piece. *
>>>- *1Mtr 3mm Furcation (F00FR3RO) *
>>> - *1Mtr 900µm Furcation (F00FR900HW) - furcation tubes, again the total
>>>amount you get in this kit is like $7 from fiberstore or via chinese ebay
>>>sources.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shel

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber toolbox

[Chuck Hogg]

That's not exactly fair.  $85?  Fair enough, you could buy them
individually from china cheaper.

The nice pelican case isn't cheap, those alone are $150+ as blanks on eBay.
 $400 for a nice kit that has most of the tools in a nicely done carrying
case isn't a bad buy in my opinion.  I'd spend an hour individually buying
them...time is worth money.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> IMHO that's way overpriced for what it is, basic hand tools from China...
> If you subtract all the regular hand tools which are not fiber related,
> these items each cost like $5 to $10 a piece.
>
> I've marked in bold what is actually fiber related, you can buy these
> things individually via eBay for much cheaper. And buy more quantity of the
> consumables you're going to run out of.
>
> I bet this whole kit costs them less than $85 to buy in pieces from china
> and re-sell...
>
> For $395 you don't even get a cleaver?  Not even a basic one such as:
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-FC-6S-Precision-Cleaver-Optical-Fiber-Sumitomo-Electric-Cut-Cutting-Tools-/251523029905?hash=item3a8ff0db91:g:AccAAOSwP~tW1mQc
>
>
>
>- PVC Electrical Tape (F1-0008) -
> *probably shit, replace with 3M super 33 or super 88 *
>-
> *2 oz. Cleaning Solvent (F1-6706) - buy 99% isopropyl alcohol by the liter
>via amazon instead *
>-
> *Tri-Hole Fiber Stripper (F1-1301T) - search "fiber stripper" on eBay,
>anywhere from $6 to $25 *
>-
> *FIS Connector Cleaner (F1-7020-C) - I have no idea what this actually is,
>but you can buy individual SC and LC "click" connector cleaning tools and
>several cletops instead and your consumables will last a great deal longer.
>*
>- Kevlar Scissors (F1-KS1) - *$10 max via ebay/china*
>
>- Jacket Stripper (F1-0016) - *$15-20 max via ebay/china*
>
>- Buffer Tube Stripper (F1-0017) - *$12 via ebay/china*
>
>- Round Cable Slitter (MK02) - *$10-12 via ebay/china*
>
>- 6” Side Cutting Pliers (200038)
>- (50) Foam Swabs (F1-0005)
>- Cleaning Tissue (F1-6705)
>- Utility Knife (F1-0023)
>- Tweezers (F1-0019)
>- Needle Nose Pliers (100021)
>- Piano Wire (F1-8265K)
>- 4 Bit Screwdriver (F1-0027)
>- Black Marker (F1-9104)
>- Safety Glasses (F1-1S13390C)
>-
> *(5) Degreaser Wipes (F1-1010) - buy a huge bulk pack of no-lint fiber
>cleaning wipes via ebay or amazon instead for $15, it will last you 50x as
>long. *
>- Black Work Mat (F1-0024)
>- Standard Fiber Disposal Unit (F1-8327)
>- Ruler (RMC-6)
>- Fabric Tape Measure (F1-8273)
>- 1/2" Nut Driver (1UG30)
>- (3) Economy Tie Labels (P50KIT)
>- Rugged Carry Case (F10053EY)
>-
> *(5) Fusion Splice Sleeve (F1-1002C) - wow, you get five whole splice
>sleeves. Instead you should buy bulk 100 packs of different size splice
>sleeves from fiberstore.com <http://fiberstore.com> , they're like $0.021 a
>piece. *
>- *1Mtr 3mm Furcation (F00FR3RO) *
> - *1Mtr 900µm Furcation (F00FR900HW) - furcation tubes, again the total
>amount you get in this kit is like $7 from fiberstore or via chinese ebay
>sources.*
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/tools-tool-kits/tool-kits/fis-basic-fiber-optic-tool-kit.html
>>
>> Or the upgraded version.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the input guys.  I generally keep the splicer in the factory
>>> case, so I'm mainly looking for something for the additional tools.  Looks
>>> like Klein has some good options though.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:00 AM, David <m...@davidkunat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Our splicer lives in a Pelican case as well, with the splicer, battery
>>>> charger, cleaver, a couple of stripping tools, a visual fault locator,
>>>> kevlar scissors, a buffer tube splitter, and a jacket stripper (actually
>>>> two, one for .5" jackets and less, and one for .5" jackets up to 1.5"
>>>> jackets), and a drywall knife.
>>>>
>>>> Also inside the pelican case is a separate small cardboard box with: a
>>>> tiny bottle of alcohol, an assortment of splice sleeves, an assortment of
>>>> pigtails-some LC/UPC, SC/APC, and ST, and a few cleaning cloths. This is
>>>> only here in case the other box is fo

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber toolbox

[Chuck Hogg]

http://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/tools-tool-kits/tool-kits/fis-basic-fiber-optic-tool-kit.html

Or the upgraded version.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:39 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the input guys.  I generally keep the splicer in the factory
> case, so I'm mainly looking for something for the additional tools.  Looks
> like Klein has some good options though.
>
> -Jason
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:00 AM, David  wrote:
>
>> Our splicer lives in a Pelican case as well, with the splicer, battery
>> charger, cleaver, a couple of stripping tools, a visual fault locator,
>> kevlar scissors, a buffer tube splitter, and a jacket stripper (actually
>> two, one for .5" jackets and less, and one for .5" jackets up to 1.5"
>> jackets), and a drywall knife.
>>
>> Also inside the pelican case is a separate small cardboard box with: a
>> tiny bottle of alcohol, an assortment of splice sleeves, an assortment of
>> pigtails-some LC/UPC, SC/APC, and ST, and a few cleaning cloths. This is
>> only here in case the other box is forgotten and you have to do a emergency
>> repair quick or if a travel bag is lost on the airlines, etc. It lets a
>> tech do at least a few splices with nothing else.
>>
>> Then separately we have a cleaning kit in a small toolbox that has the
>> alcohol, cleaning cloths/wipes, a small can of spray air, fiber cleaning
>> solution and some misc cleaning supplies, as well as a few bags of splice
>> sleeves in the bottom, and some more tools in the top tray such as a
>> screwdriver with an assortment of tips, some extra hex keys, and some other
>> misc tools. This might work better to travel in a Klien backpack like Eric
>> uses, but I like seeing the tools when I put them on a work area. And the
>> toolbox is flat so it works if I need to raise the splicer from the work
>> area to do PIA splices in a rack (balance the splicer on the toolbox which
>> is balanced on the pelican case... which itself is balanced on an
>> upside down trashcan..)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Klein tool backpack and two small multi-compartment organizers (like the
>>> type you see for fly fishing) that hold essential small stuff..
>>>
>>> Pelican 1510 hard case with fusion splicer and its accessories.
>>>
>>> Stuff like the cleaver and fiber prep gear lives in either the backpack
>>> or the 1510 depending on how many other non-fiber tools are in the backpack.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=klein+tool+backpack=100=firefox-b=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjwyKeBzODNAhVRxGMKHZBmBawQ_AUICSgC=1600=1095
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Pelican-1510-000-110-Carry-Pluck-Black/dp/B0002SKHIK
>>>
>>> For size reference, the Pelican 1510 is the max normal size allowed for
>>> carry on luggage.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone have a recommendation for something that has worked well
 for you? I'm wanting something with space for supplies as well as basic
 tools. Pretty much everything I've used so far just has one main
 compartment for the tools, I'd like something a bit more structured.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Kunat
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

[Chuck Hogg]

So just a simple word of advice...don't do it.

We did this before for a rental house that needed a new A/C.  The guy
originally told us he could take AMEX and then found out he couldn't.  So
we ended up running the transaction, to pay the contractor.  AMEX said that
since we were owners of the company, it violated the merchant services
agreement.  We ended up tying up $8,700 in limbo for 3 weeks and almost
lost our AMEX merchant account.  In the end, they voided the transaction.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> good lord! in need to apply for that 2% cash back! we are pumping over
> $100k per month to our corp amex
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I like miles because I can’t spend them.  Dollars back I would spend and
>> then when I need to go to the UK to visit my daughter I have to cough up
>> the dough.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 1:30 PM
>> *To:* af 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.
>>
>>
>> The Citi double cash is 2%.  I used to use it as my everyday spend card.
>>
>> I am having really good luck with chase ultimate rewards earning cards,
>> and also spg earning cards.  With the combination of the chase sapphire,
>> freedom,  and freedom unlimited cards for personal and chase ink,  I get
>> anywhere between 3% and 10% back in travel rewards (mostly hotels and an
>> occasional flight).   But this only works if you travel enough that you can
>> redeem for values over 2 cents per point.
>>
>> With the chase freedom and discover they have revolving bonus categories
>> which are 5x points (10% effectively).  We try to buy gift cards to
>> maximize this..  for instance,  we're currently watching movies using
>> theatre gift cards from the last time the rewards category was movie
>> theatres.
>>
>> Back to the question about whether it makes sense to run cards through
>> your own merchant account...  maybe if you're trying to meet a minimum
>> spend, or need a few miles to make a reward work,  but I sure can't see
>> this making sense on a regular basis.
>> On Jul 6, 2016 12:37 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's the 2% personal card if I can ask?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>>
 Does the 3% credit card processing fee ($300 on $10k) justify the miles
 you will gain? How much is it to just "buy" the same amount of miles?

 Inquiring minds want to know. I use a 2% cashback on everything card
 for ALL my personal expenses (groceries, gas, utility bills, cell phone
 bill, food, car expenses, etc), and a different business card (also 2%
 cashback on every single item) for all my business stuff. Then I just get
 checks mailed to me about once a month for the rewards. The miles game
 always seemed like a lot of work to track everything, etc.


 Travis


 On 7/6/2016 12:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 S Corp

 *From:* Jason Wilson 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:07 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

 Sole Proprietor? LLC or Corp?  If you are a structured org (llc,Corp)
 and you have an invoice for said items then you should be ok.


 *Credit card kiting* refers to the use of one or more credit cards
  to obtain cash and
 purchasing power they do not have, or pay credit card
  balances with the proceeds
 of other cards. Unlike check kiting
 , which is illegal under
 nearly all circumstances, laws against credit card kiting are not
 completely prohibitive of the practice, thereby allowing it to be done to
 some degree. It is up to the banks to detect the practice and when
 necessary, stop it.

 In order for prosecution to occur in a credit card kiting scheme, a
 bank must prove intent to deceive.[1]
  Eq seq
 reference infers paying credit card minimum balances with credit card
  proceeds is de facto
  evidence of deceit.

 It all will depend on your CC Processor.


 Jason Wilson
 Remotely Located
 Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
 530-651-1736
 530-748-9608 Cell
 www.remotelylocated.com

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Cameron Crum 
 wrote:

> I didn't think about the miles 

Re: [AFMUG] Overlashing ADSS

[Chuck Hogg]

Here's the installation diagram.  Shows using Tie Wraps/Zip Ties.

http://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Energy/Fiber_Optics/Hardware_for_Aerial_FTTP_Applications/Fiberlign_ADSS_Midspan_Drop/sp3001.pdf


Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yes, but I need something to hold the drop to the ADSS for the length of
> the run.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> Its two cable wraps that shape a T isn't it?  They wrap the ADSS, form
>> the T and the leg coming off the ADSS is for the drop midspan.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I see midspan drop hardware on that sheet, which implies that
>>> they are attaching the drop cable to the ADSS somehow, I don't see that
>>> element of the installation though.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here are some options.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Energy/Fiber_Optics/Hardware_for_Aerial_FTTP_Applications/Fiberlign_ADSS_Midspan_Drop/co-ss-1007-1fibr_adssdrpcbl.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone done this? I'm looking for a way to attach flat drop cable
>>>>> to an overhead ADSS cable. I've seen it done before using zip ties, but
>>>>> wasn't sure if that was advisable.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jason
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Overlashing ADSS

[Chuck Hogg]

Its two cable wraps that shape a T isn't it?  They wrap the ADSS, form the
T and the leg coming off the ADSS is for the drop midspan.

On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, I see midspan drop hardware on that sheet, which implies that they
> are attaching the drop cable to the ADSS somehow, I don't see that element
> of the installation though.
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@shelbybb.com');>> wrote:
>
>> Here are some options.
>>
>>
>> http://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Energy/Fiber_Optics/Hardware_for_Aerial_FTTP_Applications/Fiberlign_ADSS_Midspan_Drop/co-ss-1007-1fibr_adssdrpcbl.pdf
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone done this? I'm looking for a way to attach flat drop cable to
>>> an overhead ADSS cable. I've seen it done before using zip ties, but wasn't
>>> sure if that was advisable.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>>

-- 
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] OT ahhhh.. duck quisidilla and blanton's

[Chuck Hogg]

Here's the deal on Pappy.

5 years ago I could walk in and buy 10-20y all day long, if you knew where
to go.  I would pay retail for 10 and 15y, and a $50 premium for 20y and a
$75-100 premium for 23y.

Sans-Pappy theft, it's more popular than it needs to be.  People camp out
2-3 days in advance of the release date, for a store that only gets an
allocation (3 - 23y, 6 - 20y, 24 - 15y, 60 - 10y).  I have gone from my
son's carpool line in the morning to the liquor store an hour before
opening, and was #61 in line, and paid retail for 10y; 1-9 were there for 3
days.  I called a liquor store owner friend and got another bottle at
retail.  Called another friend and paid a $50 premium for another 10y
bottle.

23y has a value starting at $2k and up to $4k; 20y $1k-4k; 15y $1k-2k, 10y
$400 is a good average price around here.

The only reason I don't sell any of my bottles is because I actually drink
it and enjoy it.  I've never paid more than $300 for a bottle of any year.

My #2 is Four Roses Small Batch.  My commercial drink whenever (and a
bottle usually in the back of my car), is Buffalo Trace.

If you are looking for Pappy Taste, without the price, I recommend Weller.
You can find it about anywhere outside the state of Kentucky for <$50 (many
people here will refill Pappy with Weller, and serve it).  The Weller 12y
and Pappy 10y taste almost identical.  It's the same distilled spirit, just
a different shelf in the barn.  Blanton's is also produced at the same
distillery.  Another contender to similarity is  Old Weller Antique 107.

For an overview of most of the bourbon's, look at the Bourbon Tree.  It'll
show you the relations. http://visual.ly/bourbon-family-tree

Re: [AFMUG] Overlashing ADSS

[Chuck Hogg]

Here are some options.

http://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Energy/Fiber_Optics/Hardware_for_Aerial_FTTP_Applications/Fiberlign_ADSS_Midspan_Drop/co-ss-1007-1fibr_adssdrpcbl.pdf

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Has anyone done this? I'm looking for a way to attach flat drop cable to
> an overhead ADSS cable. I've seen it done before using zip ties, but wasn't
> sure if that was advisable.
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime

[Chuck Hogg]

AT is building towers here like crazy after being deregulated from having
to provide copper service here.  They are installing the home fusion type
boxes too.  Unlimited Internet in their docs say "22GB".

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 11:18 AM, David  wrote:

> That was my guess as well..
> It says they are participating in the CAF not being supported by it.
> Arkansas along with a few other south east region states are considered
> very rural.
>
>
>
>
> On 05/20/2016 09:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> No detail there.  I don’t know how, unless they are doing one of the
> experimental CAF projects like Rise/JAB is doing.
>
> *From:* David 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 8:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
>
> They discussed it in here
>
> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716_medium=email_content=technology-news_campaign=newsletter_zone=3897
>
>
>
> On 05/20/2016 08:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> How are they using CAF?
>
> *From:* David 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2016 7:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It had to end sometime
>
> Yeah,
> I faintly remember that discussion. Not all its cut out to be.
> It just gives more fodder to the FCC for better coverage to ATT so that
> they can buy some time to block other incumbents for a chance at some
> subsidy moneys.
> They are using the CAF to do this with.
>
>
>
> On 05/17/2016 03:10 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Verizon has, or had, an LTE fixed solution a few years ago. I am pretty
> sure it was depply discussed on this list. It was UBB at around 10G for
> $100 if memory serves. ATT will likely try to be in the same ballpark.
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:54 PM David  wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys, now I know my conscience wasnt lying to me :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/17/2016 02:50 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> "unlimited" to a big ISP/cellco means throttling after some finite cap.
>> They are greedy shitbags.
>>
>> On 5/17/2016 2:32 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Since it will likely be licensed, it is unlikely to be unlimited IMO.
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Very curious to see what their pricing is going to be on fixed and
>>> weather or not its UBB or unlimited.
>>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>> Verizon did the same thing around here several years ago with similar
 results.

 On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They tried wireless in Dallas called Project Angel long time ago.
> Didn't work out
> On May 17, 2016 1:17 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/16 12:13, David wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like ATT now wants to be a WISP,CELLCO,TELCO,ISP,and a
>>> Satellite
>>> provider all rolled up into one.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article/43/att-plans-launch-of-new-product-touts-115-billion-investment-since-2012?utm_source=enews_051716_medium=email_content=technology-news_campaign=newsletter_zone=3897
>>>
>>>
>> Jack of all trades, master of none.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

>>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Facebook Open/R

[Chuck Hogg]

I see what you did there... lol

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:44 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Somehow anything facebook is involved in doesnt have an appeal. Probably
> only effectively moves liberal traffic, any conservative traffic goes to
> low priority queues and all packets are approved by Mike from india
>
> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://code.facebook.com/posts/1142111519143652/introducing-open-r-a-new-modular-routing-platform/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] potential FTTH build

[Chuck Hogg]

We did one like this last year.  Cheapest ever when it's green field.  Most
people don't deploy like us for small builds, but for very cheap you can
knock this out easily.  No offense to Chuck M, but I would probably be
budgeting about $50k or less for this project.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> We are in talks with a developer who is planning a subdivision on a ~50
> acre lot for 92 homes and he wants us to deliver FTTH.  Is there anyone on
> this list who would like to consult with us so that we can get the plan
> done right from the get go?  The developer will be doing all the trenching
> and conduit etc., we will be doing all the electronics and customer service
> etc.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sean
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Unicorn GigE POE Splitter??

[Chuck Hogg]

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=POE-INJ-S ?

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I can't seem to find a simple splitter for this GigE injector we use all
> over the place:
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=POE-INJ-1000-S===0
>
> Tycon says they don't have one, but have some convoluted expensive
> fandangled combination splitter that would work.
>
> I just want one with the normal male RJ45 and mail DC round plug (that is
> compatible, GigE rated).
>
> Any ideas?
>