subject:"\[AFMUG\] 477 tract\/block info"

Guess I can weigh in.  Your billing system is simple enough, and should be the 
primary source for your  Broadband Subscriber data, as it should already have 
the data and the 11k census tracts is not hard to process on based on that 
data.  I note that we at TowerCoverage are working on a automated way to upload 
and get that data, but it won’t be out this round, but manually we should be 
able to do it.

The second part is the hard one, this is the Broadband Deployment Data, this is 
where do you cover.  This means you have to have accurate RF maps, not just 
circles around your towers, and then that needs to be processed on the 11+ 
Million Census Blocks in the US.  Again, TowerCoverage does this, but in the 
current version it’s a off-line processing job and costs extra each time.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Your billing system doesn't know where all of your towers are, what they are, 
etc.? It doesn't have customer qualification capabilities?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.usmailto:af...@zirkel.us
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:27:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC?  
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.comhttp://towercoverage.com because it reports all the 
locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean


On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin 
wireless...@gmail.commailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:
The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information.  (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You just have to massage 
it to make it fit.

 I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information.  The subscription can be done 
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.


- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.





--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Not for the Form 477, just for the EUS data.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Powercode integrates towercoverage into it...

--

Josh Reynolds

CIO, SPITwSPOTS

www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 02/26/2015 09:27 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC?  
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.comhttp://towercoverage.com because it reports all the 
locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin 
wireless...@gmail.commailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:
The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information.  (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You just have to massage 
it to make it fit.

 I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information.  The subscription can be done 
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net');
 wrote:
http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthmanjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');
To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net');
 wrote:
What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthmanjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');
To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net');
 wrote:
I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Philip Rankin

Pardon me if I have misunderstood your question and your point, but; as I
understand the filing requirements that the FCC representative told me the
Commission wants to know #1 the census tracts that you can serve, which
comes from xml maps or simple text files. And #2 the geocode information
of your customers installation. 2 different reports.
On Feb 27, 2015 12:27 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the
FCC? Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you
can provide service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can
provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin wireless...@gmail.com
wrote:

The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing
is understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get
it into the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the
Census information. (The Census information by state is all on
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state) You just have to
massage it to make it fit.

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate
the Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The subscription can be done
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs,
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add
up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS 66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Fixed Broadband Deployment – Where do you cover in Census Blocks and what max 
speeds do you offer in each block
Fixed Broadband Subscribers  -- How man customers do you have in each census 
tract and what max speeds do they get.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rankin
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:29 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Pardon me if I have misunderstood your question and your point, but; as I 
understand the filing requirements that the FCC representative told me the 
Commission wants to know #1 the census tracts that you can serve, which comes 
from xml maps or simple text files.  And #2 the geocode information of your 
customers installation.  2 different reports.
On Feb 27, 2015 12:27 AM, Sean Heskett 
af...@zirkel.usmailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC?  
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.comhttp://towercoverage.com because it reports all the 
locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean


On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin 
wireless...@gmail.commailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:
The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information.  (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You just have to massage 
it to make it fit.

 I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information.  The subscription can be done 
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.


- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.





--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Mike Hammett

Your billing system doesn't know where all of your towers are, what they are, 
etc.? It doesn't have customer qualification capabilities? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:27:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC? 
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?! 


We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can 
provide service to. 


2 cents 


-Sean 


On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin  wireless...@gmail.com  wrote: 



The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information. (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state ) You just have to massage 
it to make it fit. 


I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The subscription can be done manually 
if you can find the census maps. 


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop  gwl...@cngwireless.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true
 

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time. 

Why can't I figure this crap out? 

Epically frustrating. 


blockquote

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 


Long and lat should be decimal for one 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop  gwl...@cngwireless.net  wrote: 

blockquote


What am I doing wrong? 

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
 
blockquote

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 


Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop  gwl...@cngwireless.net  wrote: 

blockquote


I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless. 

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits. 

Getting a little irritated at this point. 

Thanks guys. 




/blockquote

/blockquote

/blockquote

/blockquote




-- 


Philip J. Rankin 
Wireless Telecommunications Services 
PO Box 24 
Pittsburg, KS 66762 
/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Cameron Crum

Billing System is really a misnomer. These are really Wisp Management and
Automation Platforms now. If you are running just a billing system and then
a bunch of other tools, you should look at the the management platforms
available. Having most of what you need to run your business automated and
being able to spit out things like 477 with the push of a button make life
easy. Our product was the first to be able to generate 477 reports as early
as 5-6 years ago. We can certainly handle the new deployment files as well
and I know Powercode does too although the methods are slightly different.
I think some of the others even integrate with Tower Coverage directly so
there really is no excuse to have to do double data entry. Do yourself a
favor and take a look at what is out there.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the
FCC? Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you
can provide service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can
provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin wireless...@gmail.com
wrote:

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate
the Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The subscription can be done
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs,
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add
up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS 66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Duncan Scott

In google earth right click on the track_## node in Places, go to the 
Style,Color tab and click Share style, Then change the area Opacity to 
much less or 0.  Lines will still show up of the census tract info.



On 2/26/2015 9:20 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:

Thanks!

I downloaded those, but as you said, they were completely white.

I'd had enough today and put it away until after coffee in the 
morning. The opacity settings will be the first thing I check.




- Original Message - From: Duncan Scott dsc...@onlinenw.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info




I found the following: 
http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/Geo/visualizing_census_tracts_in_google_earth.pdf
Which links to http://www2.census.gov/geo/tiger/KML/2010_Proto/ 
download the one that correspondes to your state number (first 2 
digits of tract number)
This contains a bunch of KML files that will draw borders and label 
tract info into google earth.  While the automation is great this is 
the easiest way I've found to manually turn a given address into a 
Tract number.


They came up all white in google earth but just lower the opacity on 
the area and they work really well.  Click in a given block to get 
the tract info.



On 2/26/2015 9:03 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.


How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, 
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I 
get add up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Glen Waldrop

I know this wasn’t directed at me, but the USGS data given to Google, Yahoo, 
etc, is wrong for a huge portion of my coverage area if not all of it.

I’m not sure if that is the case elsewhere, but in west central Alabama using 
GPS or Google maps is a joke.

I visually find the home on Google maps and then look at the link on Terrain 
Nav Pro.




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Your billing system doesn't know where all of your towers are, what they are, 
etc.? It doesn't have customer qualification capabilities?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:27:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC?  
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?! 

We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can 
provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean


On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin wireless...@gmail.com wrote:

  The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information.  (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You just have to massage 
it to make it fit. 

  I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information.  The subscription can be done 
manually if you can find the census maps.

  On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

  Long and lat should be decimal for one

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

  Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net 
wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got 
programs, been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get 
add up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.






  -- 

  Philip J. Rankin 
  Wireless Telecommunications Services
  PO Box 24
  Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Mike Hammett

You're referring to geolocating someone? You can likely thank your local 
counties for having backwards addressing systems if they have an addressing 
system at all. 

I don't know how anything but WISPMon does it, but you punch in the address, 
but then can manually relocate the location. You'd need to do that for tracking 
your customers in pretty much any other fashion. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:10:41 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 




I know this wasn’t directed at me, but the USGS data given to Google, Yahoo, 
etc, is wrong for a huge portion of my coverage area if not all of it. 

I’m not sure if that is the case elsewhere, but in west central Alabama using 
GPS or Google maps is a joke. 

I visually find the home on Google maps and then look at the link on Terrain 
Nav Pro. 







From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:51 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 


Your billing system doesn't know where all of your towers are, what they are, 
etc.? It doesn't have customer qualification capabilities? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:27:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC? 
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?! 

We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can 
provide service to. 

2 cents 

-Sean 


On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin  wireless...@gmail.com  wrote: 



The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information. (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state ) You just have to massage 
it to make it fit. 

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The subscription can be done manually 
if you can find the census maps. 


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop  gwl...@cngwireless.net  
wrote: 

blockquote


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true
 

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time. 

Why can't I figure this crap out? 

Epically frustrating. 


blockquote

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 

Long and lat should be decimal for one 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop  gwl...@cngwireless.net  wrote: 

blockquote


What am I doing wrong? 

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
 
blockquote

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info 

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop  gwl...@cngwireless.net  wrote: 

blockquote


I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless. 

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits. 

Getting a little irritated at this point. 

Thanks guys. 




/blockquote

/blockquote

/blockquote

/blockquote



-- 


Philip J. Rankin 
Wireless Telecommunications Services 
PO Box 24 
Pittsburg, KS 66762 
/blockquote

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Glen Waldrop

It is backwards. When we moved around 15 years ago we couldn’t get phone 
service because no one could give us our E911 address. Apparently the only 
person in the county that could tell us what our address was went on a two 
month long vacation.

That should tell you the level of professionalism we’re dealing with here.



From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

You're referring to geolocating someone? You can likely thank your local 
counties for having backwards addressing systems if they have an addressing 
system at all.

I don't know how anything but WISPMon does it, but you punch in the address, 
but then can manually relocate the location. You'd need to do that for tracking 
your customers in pretty much any other fashion.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


I know this wasn’t directed at me, but the USGS data given to Google, Yahoo, 
etc, is wrong for a huge portion of my coverage area if not all of it.

I’m not sure if that is the case elsewhere, but in west central Alabama using 
GPS or Google maps is a joke.

I visually find the home on Google maps and then look at the link on Terrain 
Nav Pro.




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Your billing system doesn't know where all of your towers are, what they are, 
etc.? It doesn't have customer qualification capabilities?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com







From: Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:27:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC?  
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?! 

We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can 
provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean


On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin wireless...@gmail.com wrote:

  The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information.  (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You just have to massage 
it to make it fit. 

  I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information.  The subscription can be done 
manually if you can find the census maps.

  On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

  Long and lat should be decimal for one

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

  Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net 
wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got 
programs, been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get 
add up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.






  -- 

  Philip J. Rankin 
  Wireless Telecommunications Services
  PO Box 24
  Pittsburg, KS  66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Josh Reynolds

We submitted several months back. We worked with connectAK.org and 
another company. Thanks for the head's up though.


--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 02/27/2015 11:36 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


Note Josh,


The information provided below on the Fixed Broadband Deployment is 
NOT ACCURATE.  This is exactly why we get a bad rep sometimes.  The 
Fixed Broadband Deployment data is based on census blocks that you 
OFFER service in, not provide, so you are submitting inaccurate 
information.   Or rather, smaller than offered deployment information, 
so you will show less areas served than you actually may.


In all reality, the FCC wants to know WHERE you cover and where you 
COULD offer service.  Where you have service deployed is what the 
fixed broadband subscriber data is.  You said integration with 
TowerCoverage, make sure you have purchased the Deployment data so 
that you get a updated Fixed Broadband Deployment CSV.


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net– 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 2:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

We didn't use powercode for our 477 this year, we used a third party.

Right now though, I'm staring at it, if you go to Reports - Data 
Export - FCC Form 477 There is a data export tool.


Reports  Generate FCC Form 477
This report will generate two files to assist in filing FCC Form 477. 
The Fixed Broadband Deployment Data file will contain information 
about services offered by census block. The Fixed Broadband 
Subscription Data file will contain information about quantity of 
services provided by census tract. The deployment report will only 
report based on you having at least one active customer in a specific 
census block.


A customer will only be included in this report if they have a Monthly 
Internet service on their account. For more details about this report, 
please visit the FCC Form 477 site.


The census block/tract data for the customer will be calculated from 
their physical address. If this data is incorrect or incomplete, the 
form will be incorrect or incomplete! This product uses the FCC Data 
API but is not endorsed or certified by the FCC.


Between this and the integration with towercoverage that we have, what 
exactly are we missing?


--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com  http://www.spitwspots.com

On 02/27/2015 05:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

Fixed Broadband Deployment – Where do you cover in Census Blocks
and what max speeds do you offer in each block

Fixed Broadband Subscribers  -- How man customers do you have in
each census tract and what max speeds do they get.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net– 314-735-0270 –
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Philip Rankin
*Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 8:29 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Pardon me if I have misunderstood your question and your point,
but; as I understand the filing requirements that the FCC
representative told me the Commission wants to know #1 the census
tracts that you can serve, which comes from xml maps or simple
text files.  And #2 the geocode information of your customers
installation.  2 different reports.

On Feb 27, 2015 12:27 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage
area to the FCC?  Surely you don't have customers at every
possible location that you can provide service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com because it
reports all the locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean



On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin
wireless...@gmail.com mailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:

The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment
portion of the filing is understanding what the FCC wants
and then manipulating the data to get it into the format
the Commission requires after you find where to find the
Census information.  (The Census information by state is
all on
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You
just have to massage it to make it fit.

 I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button
push to generate the Fixed Broadband Subscription
information. The subscription can be done manually if you
can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Note Josh,

The information provided below on the Fixed Broadband Deployment is NOT 
ACCURATE.  This is exactly why we get a bad rep sometimes.  The Fixed Broadband 
Deployment data is based on census blocks that you OFFER service in, not 
provide, so you are submitting inaccurate information.   Or rather, smaller 
than offered deployment information, so you will show less areas served than 
you actually may.

In all reality, the FCC wants to know WHERE you cover and where you COULD offer 
service.  Where you have service deployed is what the fixed broadband 
subscriber data is.  You said integration with TowerCoverage, make sure you 
have purchased the Deployment data so that you get a updated Fixed Broadband 
Deployment CSV.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

We didn't use powercode for our 477 this year, we used a third party.

Right now though, I'm staring at it, if you go to Reports - Data Export - FCC 
Form 477 There is a data export tool.

Reports  Generate FCC Form 477
This report will generate two files to assist in filing FCC Form 477. The Fixed 
Broadband Deployment Data file will contain information about services offered 
by census block. The Fixed Broadband Subscription Data file will contain 
information about quantity of services provided by census tract. The deployment 
report will only report based on you having at least one active customer in a 
specific census block.

A customer will only be included in this report if they have a Monthly Internet 
service on their account. For more details about this report, please visit the 
FCC Form 477 site.

The census block/tract data for the customer will be calculated from their 
physical address. If this data is incorrect or incomplete, the form will be 
incorrect or incomplete! This product uses the FCC Data API but is not endorsed 
or certified by the FCC.

Between this and the integration with towercoverage that we have, what exactly 
are we missing?


--

Josh Reynolds

CIO, SPITwSPOTS

www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 02/27/2015 05:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
Fixed Broadband Deployment – Where do you cover in Census Blocks and what max 
speeds do you offer in each block
Fixed Broadband Subscribers  -- How man customers do you have in each census 
tract and what max speeds do they get.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rankin
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:29 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Pardon me if I have misunderstood your question and your point, but; as I 
understand the filing requirements that the FCC representative told me the 
Commission wants to know #1 the census tracts that you can serve, which comes 
from xml maps or simple text files.  And #2 the geocode information of your 
customers installation.  2 different reports.
On Feb 27, 2015 12:27 AM, Sean Heskett 
af...@zirkel.usmailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC?  
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.comhttp://towercoverage.com because it reports all the 
locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean


On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin 
wireless...@gmail.commailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:
The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information.  (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You just have to massage 
it to make it fit.

 I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information.  The subscription can be done 
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop 
gwl...@cngwireless.netmailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.


- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Its due Monday again ☺  and in oct 1st :)

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

We submitted several months back. We worked with connectAK.org and another 
company. Thanks for the head's up though.

--

Josh Reynolds

CIO, SPITwSPOTS

www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 02/27/2015 11:36 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
Note Josh,

The information provided below on the Fixed Broadband Deployment is NOT 
ACCURATE.  This is exactly why we get a bad rep sometimes.  The Fixed Broadband 
Deployment data is based on census blocks that you OFFER service in, not 
provide, so you are submitting inaccurate information.   Or rather, smaller 
than offered deployment information, so you will show less areas served than 
you actually may.

In all reality, the FCC wants to know WHERE you cover and where you COULD offer 
service.  Where you have service deployed is what the fixed broadband 
subscriber data is.  You said integration with TowerCoverage, make sure you 
have purchased the Deployment data so that you get a updated Fixed Broadband 
Deployment CSV.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

We didn't use powercode for our 477 this year, we used a third party.

Right now though, I'm staring at it, if you go to Reports - Data Export - FCC 
Form 477 There is a data export tool.

Reports  Generate FCC Form 477
This report will generate two files to assist in filing FCC Form 477. The Fixed 
Broadband Deployment Data file will contain information about services offered 
by census block. The Fixed Broadband Subscription Data file will contain 
information about quantity of services provided by census tract. The deployment 
report will only report based on you having at least one active customer in a 
specific census block.

A customer will only be included in this report if they have a Monthly Internet 
service on their account. For more details about this report, please visit the 
FCC Form 477 site.

The census block/tract data for the customer will be calculated from their 
physical address. If this data is incorrect or incomplete, the form will be 
incorrect or incomplete! This product uses the FCC Data API but is not endorsed 
or certified by the FCC.

Between this and the integration with towercoverage that we have, what exactly 
are we missing?

--

Josh Reynolds

CIO, SPITwSPOTS

www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com
On 02/27/2015 05:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
Fixed Broadband Deployment – Where do you cover in Census Blocks and what max 
speeds do you offer in each block
Fixed Broadband Subscribers  -- How man customers do you have in each census 
tract and what max speeds do they get.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – 
www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Philip Rankin
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:29 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Pardon me if I have misunderstood your question and your point, but; as I 
understand the filing requirements that the FCC representative told me the 
Commission wants to know #1 the census tracts that you can serve, which comes 
from xml maps or simple text files.  And #2 the geocode information of your 
customers installation.  2 different reports.
On Feb 27, 2015 12:27 AM, Sean Heskett 
af...@zirkel.usmailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:
Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the FCC?  
Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you can provide 
service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.comhttp://towercoverage.com because it reports all the 
locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin 
wireless...@gmail.commailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:
The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the filing is 
understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating the data to get it into 
the format the Commission requires after you find where to find the Census 
information.  (The Census information by state is all on 
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state)  You just have to massage 
it to make it fit.

 I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate the 
Fixed Broadband Subscription information.  The subscription can be done 
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Josh Reynolds

We didn't use powercode for our 477 this year, we used a third party.

Right now though, I'm staring at it, if you go to Reports - Data Export
- FCC Form 477 There is a data export tool.

Reports Generate FCC Form 477
This report will generate two files to assist in filing FCC Form 477.
The Fixed Broadband Deployment Data file will contain information about
services offered by census block. The Fixed Broadband Subscription Data
file will contain information about quantity of services provided by
census tract. The deployment report will only report based on you having
at least one active customer in a specific census block.

A customer will only be included in this report if they have a Monthly
Internet service on their account. For more details about this report,
please visit the FCC Form 477 site.

The census block/tract data for the customer will be calculated from
their physical address. If this data is incorrect or incomplete, the
form will be incorrect or incomplete! This product uses the FCC Data API
but is not endorsed or certified by the FCC.

Between this and the integration with towercoverage that we have, what
exactly are we missing?

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 02/27/2015 05:31 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:

Fixed Broadband Deployment – Where do you cover in Census Blocks and
what max speeds do you offer in each block

Fixed Broadband Subscribers -- How man customers do you have in each
census tract and what max speeds do they get.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 –
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Philip Rankin
*Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 8:29 AM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Pardon me if I have misunderstood your question and your point, but;
as I understand the filing requirements that the FCC representative
told me the Commission wants to know #1 the census tracts that you can
serve, which comes from xml maps or simple text files. And #2 the
geocode information of your customers installation. 2 different reports.

On Feb 27, 2015 12:27 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area
to the FCC? Surely you don't have customers at every possible
location that you can provide service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com because it
reports all the locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin
wireless...@gmail.com mailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:

The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of
the filing is understanding what the FCC wants and then
manipulating the data to get it into the format the Commission
requires after you find where to find the Census information.
(The Census information by state is all on
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state) You just
have to massage it to make it fit.

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push
to generate the Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The
subscription can be done manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -

*From:*Josh Luthman

*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net
mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

- Original Message -

*From:*Josh Luthman

*To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com

*Sent:*Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-27 Thread Jason McKemie

Has anyone been able to get Mimosa's 477 tool to work correctly?

On Friday, February 27, 2015, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the
FCC? Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you
can provide service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can
provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin wireless...@gmail.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wireless...@gmail.com'); wrote:

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate
the Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The subscription can be done
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs,
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add
up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS 66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread Sean Heskett

Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to the
FCC? Surely you don't have customers at every possible location that you
can provide service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.com because it reports all the locations that we can
provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin wireless...@gmail.com wrote:

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate
the Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The subscription can be done
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net'); wrote:

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');
*To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net'); wrote:

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net'); wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs,
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add
up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS 66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Thanks!

I downloaded those, but as you said, they were completely white.

I'd had enough today and put it away until after coffee in the morning. The 
opacity settings will be the first thing I check.




- Original Message - 
From: Duncan Scott dsc...@onlinenw.com

To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info




I found the following: 
http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/Geo/visualizing_census_tracts_in_google_earth.pdf
Which links to http://www2.census.gov/geo/tiger/KML/2010_Proto/ download 
the one that correspondes to your state number (first 2 digits of tract 
number)
This contains a bunch of KML files that will draw borders and label tract 
info into google earth.  While the automation is great this is the easiest 
way I've found to manually turn a given address into a Tract number.


They came up all white in google earth but just lower the opacity on the 
area and they work really well.  Click in a given block to get the tract 
info.



On 2/26/2015 9:03 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.


How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up 
to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

Powercode integrates towercoverage into it...

--
Josh Reynolds
CIO, SPITwSPOTS
www.spitwspots.com

On 02/26/2015 09:27 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
Why would you use your billing system to report your coverage area to
the FCC? Surely you don't have customers at every possible location
that you can provide service to?!?!

We use towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com because it reports
all the locations that we can provide service to.

2 cents

-Sean

On Thursday, February 26, 2015, Philip Rankin wireless...@gmail.com
mailto:wireless...@gmail.com wrote:

The hardest part for the Fixed Broadband Deployment portion of the
filing is understanding what the FCC wants and then manipulating
the data to get it into the format the Commission requires after
you find where to find the Census information. (The Census
information by state is all on
http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/census-blocks-state) You just
have to massage it to make it fit.

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to
generate the Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The
subscription can be done manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net'); wrote:

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true
Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?
Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');
*To:* af@afmug.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net');
wrote:

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman

javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com');

*To:* af@afmug.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gwl...@cngwireless.net');
wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477
help line is typical government/Microsoft
answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got
maps, I've got programs, been through the 477
paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I
get add up to 15 digits.
Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

--
Philip J. Rankin

Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS 66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Ken already knows my answer.

Your billing system should be doing this for you.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




- Original Message -
From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:03:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

  Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread That One Guy

I just did mine. Powercode exports files, you upload files, done, takes
less than 5 minutes. Not that it helps you today, but man is it nice

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

  Link?

 Not to sound helpless, but I've been spinning my wheels on this for too
 long. I need to get it finished today.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
 government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

 How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been
 through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to
 15 digits.

 Getting a little irritated at this point.

 Thanks guys.






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
 government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

 How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been
 through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to
 15 digits.

 Getting a little irritated at this point.

 Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Link?

Not to sound helpless, but I've been spinning my wheels on this for too long. I 
need to get it finished today.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

  Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread That One Guy

I suddenly want to run a drill bit into my ear

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:


 http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

 Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

 Why can't I figure this crap out?

 Epically frustrating.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 Long and lat should be decimal for one

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  What am I doing wrong?


 http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
 government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

 How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs,
 been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add
 up to 15 digits.

 Getting a little irritated at this point.

 Thanks guys.






-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 15 
digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


  Long and lat should be decimal for one

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


  Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, 
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 
15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Odd. I copied it straight off of FCC's website, only replaced the items in 
brackets.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


  
http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?format=jsonlatitude=28.35975longitude=-81.421988showall=true
  works

  
http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true
  doesn't work



  Looks like you forgot format=json




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


  Long and lat should be decimal for one

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?


http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true
  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


  Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net 
wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got 
programs, been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get 
add up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Blocks http://www.fcc.gov/developers/census-block-conversions-api

Tracts
http://transition.fcc.gov/form477/censustracts.html

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:07 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  Link?

 Not to sound helpless, but I've been spinning my wheels on this for too
 long. I need to get it finished today.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
 government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

 How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been
 through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to
 15 digits.

 Getting a little irritated at this point.

 Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?format=jsonlatitude=28.35975longitude=-81.421988showall=true
 works
http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

doesn't work

Looks like you forgot format=json


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:


 http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

 Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

 Why can't I figure this crap out?

 Epically frustrating.



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 Long and lat should be decimal for one

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  What am I doing wrong?


 http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
 government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

 How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs,
 been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add
 up to 15 digits.

 Getting a little irritated at this point.

 Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread Adam Moffett

I got it all from the census bureau website in the past.  They had shape 
files that I imported into Manifold GIS, the tabulated data with the 
block and tract numbers was in the file.



I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.


How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, 
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get 
add up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  What am I doing wrong?


 http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 Use the FCC API.  You send coordinates and get tracts.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

  I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
 government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

 How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been
 through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to
 15 digits.

 Getting a little irritated at this point.

 Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread Philip Rankin

I use Platypus and Tucows has a really nice easy button push to generate
the Fixed Broadband Subscription information. The subscription can be done
manually if you can find the census maps.

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/find?latitude=32.515986longitude=87.834804showall=true

Still get an error, xml error rather than 404 this time.

Why can't I figure this crap out?

Epically frustrating.

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:21 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Long and lat should be decimal for one

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:12 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

What am I doing wrong?

http://data.fcc.gov/api/block/2010/find?latitude=32%C2%B030%2757.55%22Nlongitude=87%C2%B050%275.30%22Wshowall=true

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

Use the FCC API. You send coordinates and get tracts.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Feb 26, 2015 11:03 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs,
been through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add
up to 15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

--
Philip J. Rankin
Wireless Telecommunications Services
PO Box 24
Pittsburg, KS 66762

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

2015-02-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Automate every possible thing you can as soon as you can. Now is the time you 
need to be doing more useful things with your time.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




- Original Message -
From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:29:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

We're a small business, 175ish customers. We do our own billing.

That may change in the near future, but for now it is what it is.

We're running on a small budget as efficiently as we can. This stuff doesn't 
help.



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info



 Ken already knows my answer.

 Your billing system should be doing this for you.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com




 - Original Message -
 From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:03:19 -0600 (CST)
 Subject: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

 I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical 
 government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

 How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been 
 through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up to 
 15 digits.

 Getting a little irritated at this point.

 Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info


Our billing is automated, more or less.

Until 477 my time was spent on other things.



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net

To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info




Automate every possible thing you can as soon as you can. Now is the time 
you need to be doing more useful things with your time.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




- Original Message -
From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:29:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

We're a small business, 175ish customers. We do our own billing.

That may change in the near future, but for now it is what it is.

We're running on a small budget as efficiently as we can. This stuff 
doesn't

help.



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net

To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info




Ken already knows my answer.

Your billing system should be doing this for you.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com




- Original Message -
From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:03:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info

I've been spinning my wheels for days now, 477 help line is typical
government/Microsoft answer, technically correct, practically useless.

How do I get the block/tract info? I've got maps, I've got programs, been
through the 477 paperwork of the past, none of the numbers I get add up 
to

15 digits.

Getting a little irritated at this point.

Thanks guys.

Re: [AFMUG] 477 tract/block info