Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? If you just use the shortest A

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett
http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? At first I read t

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mathew Howard
t; ------ > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > When Mike is my age, he’ll be content

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mathew Howard
;https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > -- > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full part

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Chris Wright
in about a minute. Chris Wright Network Administrator Velociter Wireless 209-838-1221 x115 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? Dennis, does

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread chuck
One of my unicorns is sick. Hopefully we can find some more rainbow water to get her better. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds
ug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:09 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? > > > > One of my unicorns is sick. Hopefully we can find some more rainbow water > to get her better. &

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett
: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy. Especially at nap time. Not sure ab

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett
.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:34:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? Paying someone else to manage routes doesn’t necessarily mean you’re lazy. We can’t all afford a 24x7 NOC staffed with BGP savvy network engineer

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Chris Wright
I know a guy in Flint… Chris Wright Network Administrator Velociter Wireless 209-838-1221 x115 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
ator > > Velociter Wireless > > 209-838-1221 x115 > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default >

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is going to be so awesome net time around On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote: That is THE question, and it

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
“Against The Wind” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiviKbxP9xM From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I still live

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
thew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P On Fri,

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Paul Stewart
Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control you want over your paths though .. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett
Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:05:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or def

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Christopher Tyler
t;Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? If you do all that, cool. Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his secrets. The

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Dennis Burgess
0 x103 – www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams,

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
– www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be setting up

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett
.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? If you do all that, cool. Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his secrets. The athlete told him to work out at

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Mike Hammett
.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:20:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? I have a 732 doing BGP. It gets both peers (full routes) done in like 2 minutes. Newer routers, I expect, are faster. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way is better to go out. On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout &l

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Ken Hohhof
grapefruit juice. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control. You could use the table (combined with flows) to see

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Josh Luthman
January 22, 2016 9:52 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default > route ? > > > You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t > need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just cha

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread Josh Reynolds
all, go to > an exchange and direct peer with everyone, so you are really in control. > > > *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> > *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 10:43 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default >

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread George Skorup
o: *"af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P On Fri, Ja

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread TJ Trout
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Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
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Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-21 Thread Josh Luthman
In Mikrotik you use something like 512mb for your first provider and then 768mb for your second provider. A gig should be good, but two is better. I'm talking full routes. What router do you have, TJ? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-21 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way is better to go out. > On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-21 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
--------- > *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:14:40 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? > > I'm a complete idiot and I just turned u

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-21 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Full routes means that you see all routes your providers pass on. It can be a large list but it does give you the best view outbound. As long as you have the memory and CPU to handle it there isn’t really any reason not to take it. Even with ‘full routes’ you usually don’t want to take

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-21 Thread Mike Hammett
;thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:23:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? does the rb1100ahx2 suck for that? On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Ful

[AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-21 Thread TJ Trout
I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros and cons of each ? Thanks a million

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

2016-01-21 Thread Mike Hammett
Message - From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:14:40 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be setting up the bg