Russell asked:
Will vandals be running their own local copies, or will everyone be
accessing a single shared program instance on a big server?
I plan for users to either share an instance from the Texai cloud, or
preferably download their own cloud instance for increased benefit and
performa
Just to say: well done! Unfortunately you can never win with him. But it was
a total demolition IMO.and I imagine to everyone else. ;)
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On May 26, 2008, at 6:46 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
I have ~100% market share. Not sure how it is "two-to-one" or
"dwindling", though I suppose it has nowhere to go but down.
Huh? First *you* give me numbers of less then two to one and then
you claim ~100%. How much did you drink at that barb
My only real quibble was with the notion that choosing .NET would not
have a material impact on developer participation.
So after all your bluster and BS, you're down to fighting a strawman because
you can't defend anything else that you've claimed?
Where did I claim that .Net would not hav
Replying to myself,
I'll let Mark have the last word since, after all, it is *his* project
and not mine. :-) My only real quibble was with the notion that
choosing .NET would not have a material impact on developer
participation.
I have to go man a barbecue and get some work done now.
Ch
Which "silly" operating system assertions?
Your own words:
but if you actually look at some rather important tech centers like
Silicon Valley, there is not a Windows server in sight. The dominance of
Unix-based systems there is so complete that it is not even a contest any
more. You are ap
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Stephen Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a good use case for a resource-control agent that watches over
> memory utilization in its JVM. Likewise it points out the need for a higher
> level process to ask each to-be-launched skill-performance what its res
On May 26, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
Do you truly believe that search engine hits is proportional to the
use of a language or is it just that the valid methods didn't you
give the results that you wanted?
There is no really authoritative source, that was just one method of
many
On May 26, 2008, at 1:16 PM, Jim Bromer wrote:
Would you please direct me to open source project web sites that may
be of interest to AI projecteers, and a C++ compiler to use with
them. I never found any comments on a good compiler to use on a
Windows XP system (other than the microsoft c
Hi Will,
Great question:
How will it memory manage between skills? You want to try and avoid thrashing
the memory. The java memory system allows any program to ask for as much memory
as they need, this could lead to tragedy of the commons situations.
This is a good use case for a resource-con
On May 26, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
I live in Northern Virginia, near Washington, DC.
That pretty much explains it then, as DC is another Windows stronghold
in my experience. Some areas, like Seattle and Boston, seem to be
mixed markets.
Where do you get your statistics?
J. Andrew Rogers said:
For open source projects, ideal environments play
second fiddle to broad language support. Painless portability is the
reason C is often selected over C++ for open source projects --
universality is that important.
J. Andrew Rogers
So . . . . you're using TIOBE for your language "popularity" statistics and
you couldn't back up *any* of your even more egregious operating system
assertions.
Do you truly believe that search engine hits is proportional to the use of a
language or is it just that the valid methods didn't you
On May 26, 2008, at 11:53 AM, Bob Mottram wrote:
On Linux the performance of 3D distributed particle SLAM (a CPU
intensive task) running on the Mono .NET (version 2) runtime is
marginally faster than the same code running on Windows using the MS
runtime, but only by a few milliseconds. Performa
2008/5/26 Stephen Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Regarding the best language for AGI development, most here know that I'm
> using Java in Texai. For skill acquisition, my strategy is to have Texai
> acquire a skill by composing a Java program to perform the learned skill.
How will it memory manage b
On May 26, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Mark Waser wrote:
C# may have advantages over Java, but
it doesn't mean that these advantages are particularly relevant for a
particular project.
Then make project-specific assertions. The fact that functional
programming is an integral part of C# is huge for AG
Where do you live, if you do not mind me asking? The preference for
server environments is very much a local phenomenon. Using California as
an example, in Los Angeles there is a strong preference for Windows
systems, but in Silicon Valley you will find that Unix is pervasive.
I live in North
On May 26, 2008, at 4:42 AM, Mark Waser wrote:
There has been a large upswing in the number of MacOS laptops. At
the same time, there has been an equally large reversal of the
correlation with Unix-based back-ends. Macs are being picked up
because of their engineering, power-up times, eas
VRRM - Virtual Reinforcement Resource Managing Machine
Overview
This is a virtual machine designed to allow non-catastrophic
unconstrained experimentation of programs in a system as close to the
hardware as possible. This should allow the system to change as much
as is possible and needed for th
2008/5/26 J. Andrew Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Europe specifically excludes .NET as a development target for similar
> pragmatic reasons. And developing .NET is going to suck on a non-Windows
> workstation, eliminating one of the major advantages you tout. To be honest,
> I do not know of anyone
Regarding the best language for AGI development, most here know that I'm using
Java in Texai. For skill acquisition, my strategy is to have Texai acquire a
skill by composing a Java program to perform the learned skill. I hope that
the algorithmic (e.g. Java statement & operation) knowledge th
When you try to use "logical" methods on an inductive (open and non-monotonic
data space) the logical or rational methods will act more like heuristics at
best.
Yes, and they are entirely appropriate there as long as you realize the
shortcomings as well as the advantages and you document your
Mark Waser said:
Rationality and irrationality are interesting subjects . . . .
Many people who endlessly tout "rationally" use it as an exact synonym for
logical correctness and then argue not only that irrational then means
"logically incorrect" and therefore wrong but that anything that can
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Stephen Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Regarding the best language for AGI development, most here know that I'm
> using Java in Texai. For skill acquisition, my strategy is to have Texai
> acquire a skill by composing a Java program to perform the learned skill.
That list wasn't about the comparison with .NET, I only added a couple
of words about .NET at the end. I deliberately used specifiers such as
"a bit" or "sufficiently" to imply relation with the problem and not
with other languages, that is to show why I think it's adequate for
the task, not that i
mark,
> What I'd rather do instead is see if we can get a .NET parallel track
> started over the next few months, see if we can get everything ported, and
> see the relative productivity between the two paths. That would provide a
> provably true answer to the debate.
Well, it's an open-source p
Mark,
If it were possible to make both C# and C+ versions of the core
(AtomTable and scheduler), and have both C# and C++ MindAgents run on
both, then we would have a favorable situation in terms of allowing
everyone to use their own fave languages and development environments.
-- Ben G
On Mon,
Josh,
Thank you very much for the pointers (and replying so rapidly).
You're very right that people misinterpret and over-extrapolate econ and
game
theory, but when properly understood and applied, they are a valuable tool
for analyzing the forces shaping the further evolution of AGIs and i
I deliberately used specifiers such as
"a bit" or "sufficiently" to imply relation with the problem and not
with other languages, that is to show why I think it's adequate for
the task, not that it's optimal.
Why go with adequate when optimal is available? Aren't you the one who is
concerned w
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 8:33 PM, J. Andrew Rogers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Replying to myself,
>
> I'll let Mark have the last word since, after all, it is *his* project and
> not mine. :-)
I assume that last sentence was sarcastic ;-)
Of course, while Mark is a valued participant in OpenCog,
One of my major points that we've lost in all this is that *every* piece
should have clean, well-specified interfaces and APIs such that the language
of one piece really shouldn't have an effect on the language of another.
C++ runs just fine under .Net (albeit as "unmanaged code").
If I were t
Good luck on your trip!
Personally, I would rather start a debate page on virtually *anything* else.
I will start a couple on other AGI issues elsewhere but language debates
just aren't worth the time because most people have virulent opinions
without the requisite knowledge to support them --
:-) While I've read both papers, I was referring to the same paper that you
were. I remember what started the thread. What is your important
postscript?
- Original Message -
From: "Richard Loosemore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: **SPAM** Wron
How is Java is *more* clear and understandable?
The IDE is *known* to be inferior. Are you arguing otherwise.
Every modern language has garbage collection.
Java has a functional programming stance? No, it does not. Look at what
you can do in the newest version of C# much less F#. If you b
On Sunday 25 May 2008 10:06:11 am, Mark Waser wrote:
> Read the appendix, p37ff. He's not making arguments -- he's explaining,
> with a
> few pointers into the literature, some parts of completely standard and
> accepted economics and game theory. It's all very basic stuff.
The problem with "acc
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And what is the value proposition of Java over any other language? It has
> no unique features. It's development is lagging. It's developers are
> defecting (again, look at the statistics). It's fragmenting just like Uni
On Monday 26 May 2008 06:55:48 am, Mark Waser wrote:
> >> The problem with "accepted economics and game theory" is that in a proper
> >> scientific sense, they actually prove very little and certainly far, FAR
> >> less than people extrapolate them to mean (or worse yet, "prove").
> >
> > Abusus no
I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean by sane languages . . . .
- Original Message -
From: "Lukasz Stafiniak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] More Info Please
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROT
On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What I'd rather do instead is see if we can get a .NET parallel track
> started over the next few months, see if we can get everything ported, and
> see the relative productivity between the two paths. That would provide a
While all the language wars continue, I'd like to re-emphasize my original
point (directly copied from the original e-mail) -- One of the things that I've
been tempted to argue for a while is an entirely alternate underlying software
architecture for OpenCog -- people can then develop in the arc
On May 1, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
--- "J. Andrew Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Your model above tacitly predicates its optimality on a naive MCP
strategy, but is not particularly well-suited for it. In short, this
means that you are assuming that the aggregate latency func
On May 26, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Mark Waser wrote:
That you have less than a two-to-one market share and it's dwindling?
I have ~100% market share. Not sure how it is "two-to-one" or
"dwindling", though I suppose it has nowhere to go but down.
That technically .Net has blown past you and t
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