[agi] Inching closer on the Singularity Clock.

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Re: Re: [agi] Wbat would it take to move rapidly toward advanced AGI?

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[agi] Re: [GI] Digest for general-intellige...@googlegroups.com - 10 Messages in 2 Topics

, it is not at all the method by which mathematicians generate new ideas -- they use reasoning by analogy, by allegory, by induction, and many others, to generate hypothesis which might be possible solutions to problems. I think that we should realize that the same techniques should be applied in AGI: we use

[agi] Re: [GI] Digest for general-intellige...@googlegroups.com - 10 Messages in 2 Topics

, it is not at all the method by which mathematicians generate new ideas -- they use reasoning by analogy, by allegory, by induction, and many others, to generate hypothesis which might be possible solutions to problems. I think that we should realize that the same techniques should be applied in AGI: we

[agi] Where study to help the singularity

the brain works and then implement smart algorithms based on that knowledge. I'm also interested in AGI theory and the approach you have taken to build a mind. Here's my question: Given all your knowlege could you please give an advice on where and what to study (I'm thinking now on a master) to work

[agi] MindForth Programming Journal (MFPJ) 2010 September 24

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[agi] Re: [singularity] MindForth Programming Journal (MFPJ) 2010 September 24

for example. MindForth should do the same. -- http://charles-esterbrook.com/ --- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/8660244-d750797a Modify Your Subscription: https

[agi] Mother of all Singularities

is unwarrantedly being subjected to neural inhibition. -- http://robots.net/person/AI4U/diary/45.html --- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/8660244-d750797a Modify Your

[agi] Russel: If you can figure out another way to do it, I'm all ears!

Russel Said: *Oh, I can figure out how to solve most specific problems. From an AGI point of view, however, that leaves the question of how those individual solutions are going to serve as sources of knowledge for a system, rather than separate specific programs. My answer is to build something

[agi] Technological Singularity -- a work in progress

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[agi] How long until human-level AI?

Our paper How long until human-level AI? Results from an expert assessment (based on a survey done at AGI-09) was finally accepted for publication, in the journal Technological Forecasting Social Change ... See the preprint at http://sethbaum.com/ac/fc_AI-Experts.html -- Ben Goertzel -- Ben

[agi] Re: David Jone's Design and Pseudo Tests Methodology: Was David Jone's Design and Psuedo Tests Methodology

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[agi] David Jone's Design and Psuedo Tests Methodology

that while bottom-up testing of algorithms will give us experience, it also take a very long time to generate AGI solutions. If it takes a group of researchers 5 years to test out a design idea based on neural nets, we may learn something, but I can see from the nature and structure of the problem

[agi] MindForth Programming Journal (MFPJ) 2010 September 13

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[agi] Video of talk I gave yesterday about Cosmism

are given along with the first video linked above. thx Ben Goertzel --- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/8660244-d750797a Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com

[agi] I'm giving a talk on Cosmist philosophy (and related advanced technology) in the Teleplace virtual world...

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[agi] Attn: Ben Goertzel -- SINGULARITY ALERT!!!

Human: boys Robot: THE BOYS MAKE THE CARS Human: boys Robot: THE BOYS MAKE THE GUNS Chief AGI guru Dr. Goertzel! The above is not a cherry-picked, post-mucho experimentation routine test result put out for PR purposes. It just happened during hard-core AI coding. Now, before everybody jumps

[agi] Use Combinations of Constrained Methods

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[agi] Very Cool Object Name Intent Test

experience :) I'm working on a rough to fine model of this in my Pseudo AGI design. --- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https

[agi] Pseudo Design as a Solution to AGI Design

I've been to think lately that the solution to creating a realistic AGI design is psuedo design. What do I mean? Not simulation... not practical applications... not extremely detailed implementations. The design would start at a high level and go deeper into detail as possible. So, why would

RE: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

is expressible in a software language, computer system and database. Don't forget, the designer in all of us needs a medium to express and communicate, if not it remains in a void. A designer emits design, and in this case, AGI, the design is the/a designer. Sounds kind of hokey but true

[agi] Wow.... just wow. (Adaptive AI)

I accidentally stumbled upon the website of Adaptive AI. I must say, it is by FAR the best AGI approach and design I have ever seen. As I'm read it today and yesterday (haven't quite finished it all), I agreed with so much of what he wrote that I could almost swear that I wrote it myself. He even

[agi] Human Reasoning Examples

Does anyone know of a list, book or links about human reasoning examples? I'm having such a hard time finding info on this. I don't want to have to create all the examples myself. but I don't know where to look. --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com

[agi] Alternative way to reverse engineer the brain

of a lot easier than simulating a brain, since there are waay too many factors and dynamics involved to get the simulation to be accurate. Maybe we could just invent a way to probe every part of the brain in vivo. Dave --- agi Archives: https

[agi] Natural Hyjacked Behavioral Control

I thought this was interesting when looked at in relation to evolution and a parasitic intelligence - http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/aug/18/zombie-carpenter-ant-fungus --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS

[agi] Language Acquisition TV Special

this too :) Check it out! Also, if you haven't done so yet, check out William O'Grady's book How Children Learn Language. I love that book. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZatrvNDOiENR=1 Dave --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303

RE: [agi] Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

. And this is balanced against K-complexity related local extrema. For the statistical mechanisms I would use for more of the narrow AI stuff that is needed and also for situations that you can't come up with something more concrete/discrete. John --- agi

[agi] Who's on first?

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=who%27s+on+firstei=utf-8fr=ie8 YouTube - Who's on first? --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https

[agi] Students' Understanding of the Equal Sign Not Equal, Professor Says

makes both sides equal. So the understanding should be 4+3+2=(7)+2. Now both sides of the equal sign equal 9. --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your

[agi] Probabilty Processor

Probability Synthesis to Bayesian Logic, or PSBL for short. --- Hm. Wow? (DARPA funds Mr Spock on a Chip) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/17/lyric_probability_processor/ --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed

[agi] Re: [agi] P≠NP

From: Kaj Sotala xue...@gmail.com To: agi agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 2:18:13 AM Subject: [agi] Re: [agi] P≠NP 2010/8/12 John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com BTW here is the latest one: http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf See also: http

[agi] Digital incremental transmissions

for it. However, this would sure make be an enabling system for people who want to build REAL robots. Does anyone here have ANY idea what to do with this, other than putting it back on the shelf and waiting another decade? Steve --- agi Archives: https

[agi] Neuroplasticity Explanation Hypothesis

to process inputs correctly. This supports my hypothesis that artificial neural nets are not correctly design to be able to achieve AGI the way the brain does. This would also explain my beliefs that the brain knows how to process in ways that correctly represent true real-world relationships

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

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[agi] Grand Cooperative Projects

like this ( the Genome Project): http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/13/health/research/13alzheimer.html?_r=1themc=th should become an ever bigger part of sci. tech. Of course, with Alzheimer's there is a great deal of commonly recognized ground. Not so with AGI. It might be interesting

Re: [agi] Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

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Re: [agi] Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

try it sometime just to get some idea of what it would do. Jim Bromer --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member

[agi] Single Neurons Can Detect Sequences

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RE: [agi] Nao Nao

I suppose that part of the work that it does is making people feel good and being a neat conversation piece. Interoperability and communications protocols can facilitate the path to AGI. Just like the many protocols used on the internet. I haven't looked at any for robotics specifically though

RE: [agi] Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

stuff that is needed and also for situations that you can't come up with something more concrete/discrete. John --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your

[agi] Re: [agi] P≠NP

://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1585850 Wiki page summarizing a lot of the discussion, as well as collecting many of the links above: http://michaelnielsen.org/polymath1/index.php?title=Deolalikar%27s_P!%3DNP_paper#Does_the_argument_prove_too_much.3F --- agi

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

, commands that come in over the network from whatever interested corporation or government pays the most for access. Such a sweet little friendly Nao. Everyone should get one :) John *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

Someone who really believes that P=NP should go to Saudi Arabia or the Emirates and crack the Blackberry code. - Ian Parker On 12 August 2010 06:10, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Jim Bromer [mailto:jimbro...@gmail.com] Re: [agi] Re

[agi] Re: [agi] P≠NP

Clay's view of the matter. You will *not* be able to decode Blackberry, of course. - Ian Parker 2010/8/12 John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com BTW here is the latest one: http://www.win.tue.nl/~gwoegi/P-versus-NP/Deolalikar.pdf *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

for further clarificiation - but nothing yet). From: John G. Rose Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:46 AM To: agi Subject: RE: [agi] Nao Nao I wasn't meaning to portray pessimism. And that little sucker probably couldn't pick up a knife yet. But this is a paradigm change happening

RE: [agi] Nao Nao

. Companies may resist this at first as they want to grab market share and don't understand the benefit. John From: Mike Tintner [mailto:tint...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:56 AM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] Nao Nao John, Any more detailed thoughts about its precise

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

By not made to perform work, you mean that it is not sturdy enough? Are any half-way AGI robots made to perform work, vs production line robots? (I think the idea of performing useful work should be a goal). The protocol is obviously a good idea, but you're not suggesting it per se will lead

[agi] Fwd: [singularity] NEWS: Max More is Running for Board of Humanity+

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Re: [agi] Nao Nao

and don't understand the benefit. John *From:* Mike Tintner [mailto:tint...@blueyonder.co.uk] *Sent:* Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:56 AM *To:* agi *Subject:* Re: [agi] Nao Nao John, Any more detailed thoughts about its precise handling capabilities? Did it, first, not pick up

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

it. Why then do the Methuselah flies live 5x as long as normal flies? You're conjecturing this is unrelated to the dramatically large number of SNPs with very different frequencies in the two classes of populations??? ben *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

to the paperwork. If I/you/we are to get kids to compete to develop better anti-aging methods, the mice need to be documented well enough to PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did what they claimed they did. Steve --- agi Archives: https

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

This seems to be an overly simplistic view of AGI from a mathematician. It's kind of funny how people over emphasize what they know or depend on their current expertise too much when trying to solve new problems. I don't think it makes sense to apply sanitized and formal mathematical solutions

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

of such research to us is VERY high, yet there is no meaningful funding. If/when an early AI becomes available to help in such efforts, there simply won't be any money available to divert it away from defense (read that: offense) work. Steve --- agi Archives: https

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

has evolved flies specifically for short lifespan, but the results may not be published yet... --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https

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to AGI that its lack may be at the core of the contemporary problem. I was saying that unless this required mathemagic then a scalable AGI system demonstrating how effective this kind of mathematical advancement could probably be simulated using contemporary mathematics. This is not the same

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

mathematical sub system that would (using my words here) provide such a substantial benefit to AGI that its lack may be at the core of the contemporary problem. I was saying that unless this required mathemagic then a scalable AGI system demonstrating how effective this kind of mathematical advancement

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 10:53 AM, David Jones davidher...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it makes sense to apply sanitized and formal mathematical solutions to AGI. What reason do we have to believe that the problems we face when developing AGI are solvable by such formal representations? What

[agi] Scalable vs Diversifiable

Isn't it time that people started adopting true AGI criteria? The universal endlessly repeated criterion here that a system must be capable of being scaled up is a narrow AI criterion. The proper criterion is diversifiable. If your system can say navigate a DARPA car through a grid of city

Re: [agi] Scalable vs Diversifiable

I don't feel that a non-programmer can actually define what true AGI criteria would be. The problem is not just oriented around a consumer definition of a goal, because it involves a fundamental comprehension of the tools available to achieve that goal. I appreciate your idea that AGI has

Re: [agi] Scalable vs Diversifiable

I think I may understand where the miscommunication occurred. When we talk about scaling up an AGI program we are - of course - referrring to improving on an AGI program that can work effectively with a very limited amount of referential knowledge so that it would be able to handle a much greater

Re: [agi] Scalable vs Diversifiable

To respond in kind ,you along with virtually all AGI-ers show an inability to understand or define the problems of AGI - i.e. the end-problems that an AGI must face, the problems of creativity vs rationality. You only actually deal in standard, narrow AI problems. If you don't understand

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

a computer even to create opinions. Or if we do, there is a big untapped difference between those programs that show nascent judgement (perhaps only at levels relative to the domain of their capabilities) and those that don't. This is AGI programmer's utopia. (Or at least my utopia). Because I

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

Slightly off the topic of your last email. But, all this discussion has made me realize how to phrase something... That is that solving AGI requires understand the constraints that problems impose on a solution. So, it's sort of a unbelievably complex constraint satisfaction problem. What we've

Re: [agi] Re: Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

there was some contrast between a solid object and whatever was in the background or whatever was in the foreground. Now I, as an artist could use that to create interesting abstractions. However, that does not mean that an AGI program that was supposed to learn and acquire greater judgement based

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

evolved flies specifically for short lifespan, but the results may not be published yet... *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ | Modifyhttps://www.listbox.com/member/?;Your Subscription http://www.listbox.com

RE: [agi] Nao Nao

sophisticated ( somewhat expensive) promotional robot vid: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7934318/Nao-the-robot-that-expre sses-and-detects-emotions.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7934318/Nao-the-robot-that-expres ses-and-detects-emotions.html agi | https

RE: [agi] Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

multidimensional densities. But at the same time complex state is preserved until proven benefits show themselves. John --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your

RE: [agi] Nao Nao

. Such a sweet little friendly Nao. Everyone should get one :) John --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

and facilitate basic aging research and then suspend execution pending an interrupt indicating that the needed experiments have been done. Could you provide some hint as to where you are going with this? Steve --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive

Re: [agi] Nao Nao

should get one :) John *From:* Mike Tintner [mailto:tint...@blueyonder.co.uk] An unusually sophisticated ( somewhat expensive) promotional robot vid: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7934318/Nao-the-robot-that-expresses-and-detects-emotions.html *agi* | Archives https

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

and facilitate basic aging research and then suspend execution pending an interrupt indicating that the needed experiments have been done. Could you provide some hint as to where you are going with this? Steve *agi* | Archives https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now https

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

Steve, Capable and effective AI systems would be very helpful at every step of the research process. Basic research is a major area I think that AGI will be applied to. In fact, that's exactly where I plan to apply it first. Dave On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Steve Richfield steve.richfi

Re: [agi] Compressed Cross-Indexed Concepts

functions, but rather depends on changing relations between them. The development of each function, in turn, depends upon the progress in the development of the interfunctional system. From: Jim Bromer Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:11 PM To: agi Subject: [agi] Compressed Cross-Indexed

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

pretty much forever. Future AGI output: Fund aging research. Update on studying more of Burzynski's papers: His is not a cancer cure at all. What he is doing is removing gene-silencing methylization from the DNA, and letting nature take its course, e.g. having their immune systems kill the cancer

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

to calculate an optimal strategy. --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244id_secret=8660244-6e7fb59c Powered

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

should you vaccinate first? If you have access to a social graph (from Facebook, or wherever) it's probably possible to calculate an optimal strategy. --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

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Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

severely hamper the disease transmission mechanism, perhaps even to the extent of driving it to extinction. --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription

Re: [agi] Anyone going to the Singularity Summit?

, and analysis of their genetics refutes your claim ;p ... ben g --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id

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strategy. This wouldn't be a cure, but it could severely hamper the disease transmission mechanism, perhaps even to the extent of driving it to extinction. --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https

RE: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

for though... John From: Mike Tintner [mailto:tint...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:28 AM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 You're waffling. You say there's a pattern for chair - DRAW IT. Attached should help you. Analyse the chairs given

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

, August 08, 2010 7:28 AM *To:* agi *Subject:* Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 You're waffling. You say there's a pattern for chair - DRAW IT. Attached should help you. Analyse the chairs given in terms of basic visual units. Or show how any basic units can be applied to them

Re: RE: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

. There is a particular one I would go for though... John *From:* Mike Tintner [mailto:tint...@blueyonder.co.uk] *Sent:* Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:28 AM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 You're waffling. You say there's a pattern for chair - DRAW IT. Attached should

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

: Monday, August 09, 2010 7:16 AM To: agi Subject: RE: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 Actually this is quite critical. Defining a chair - which would agree with each instance of a chair in the supplied image - is the way a chair should be defined and is the way the mind processes

Re: RE: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

concept of chair? - zero answer. A non-physical pattern pace you is a non-existent entity/figment of your mind, (just as the pattern of divine grace is), - and yet another non-answer. You're supposed to be doing visual AGI - put up something visual in answer to the questions, or, I suggest

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

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Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

. And no. Dave, there are no such things as non-physical patterns). --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

PS Examples of nonphysical patterns AND how they are applicable to visual AGI.? From: David Jones Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:34 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 You see. This is precisely why I don't want to argue with Mike anymore. it must be a physical

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

I already stated these. read previous emails. On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: PS Examples of nonphysical patterns AND how they are applicable to visual AGI.? *From:* David Jones davidher...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 1:34 PM

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

Examples of nonphysical patterns? From: David Jones Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:34 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 You see. This is precisely why I don't want to argue with Mike anymore. it must be a physical pattern. LOL. Who ever said that patterns must

Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2

No you didn't. You're being evasive through and through. You haven't answered the questions put to you in any shape or form other than nonphysical - and never will. Nor do you have any answer. Finis. From: David Jones Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:51 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How

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*Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 1:34 PM *To:* agi agi@v2.listbox.com *Subject:* Re: [agi] How To Create General AI Draft2 You see. This is precisely why I don't want to argue with Mike anymore. it must be a physical pattern. LOL. Who ever said that patterns must be physical? This is exactly

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a time when it was thought that domain-specific AI, using general methods of reasoning would be more feasible than general AI. This optimism was not borne out by experiment. The question is why not? I believe that domain specific AI needs to rely on so much general knowledge (AGI) as a base

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on hierarchical deep learning approaches to vision with longer-term AGI ambitions I'm not sure there are any dramatic new ideas in the essay. Do you think there are? My own view is that these ideas are basically right, but handle only a modest percentage of what's needed to make a human-level

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you plenty of ways to think about it that would suggest ways of solving the problem that would work well. So, to say that I must create this perfect schema to prove that AGI is possible is dumb and unreasonable. I can get you a close description of a schema that would recognize it. But I certainly

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that because knowledge is so essential and manual input is inneffective, perception-based acquisition of knowledge is a very serious barrier to AGI? It seems to me that the solutions to AGI problems being constructed are not using knowledge gained from simulated perception effectively. OpenCog's natural

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Ben: I don't agree that solving vision and the vision-cognition bridge is *such* a huge part of AGI, though it's certainly a nontrivial percentage Presumably because you don't envisage your AGI/computer as an independent entity? All its info. is going to have to be entered

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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Mike Tintner tint...@blueyonder.co.ukwrote: Ben: I don't agree that solving vision and the vision-cognition bridge is *such* a huge part of AGI, though it's certainly a nontrivial percentage Presumably because you don't envisage your AGI/computer

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feedback connections (top-down) among the modules? thx ben --- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id

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Ben:I think that vision and the vision-cognition bridge are important for AGI, but I think they're only a moderate portion of the problem, and not the hardest part... Which is? From: Ben Goertzel Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 4:57 PM To: agi Subject: Re: [agi] How To Create General AI

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