Re: DIS: ayy i made a code thing

[Cuddle Beam]

This was sent to my spam filter for some reason

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 12:59 AM, Reuben Staley 
wrote:

> I mentioned a while ago that I spent a lot of time on Saturday working on
> my Cartographor automation. And since PAoaM is still gonna take a while to
> be passed, I figured I'd just show y'all.
>
> http://github.com/AgoraNomic/Cartographor
>
> generate.py makes htmls and (soon) text files that hold all the values
> relevant to each land unit.
>
> data/changes.json contains a list of changes formatted with JavaScript
> Object Notation. I wanted to have this hook into o's registry system but
> e's gone and I'm not smart enough to set up my own version.
>
> What you're looking at is hours and hours of rewriting the same 100 lines
> of python code over and over to ensure maximum future compatibility. It is
> very low quality code. But it works so I don't care at the moment.
>
> But it's all set up with gh-pages so you can go to:
>
> http://agoranomic.org/Cartographor/maps/map-2018-02-11.html
>
> and that is an interactive version of the map in its current state.
>
> Anyways, just wanted to post that real quick because I've been waiting a
> long time to show it off.
>
> --
> Trigon
>

DIS: ayy i made a code thing

[Reuben Staley]

I mentioned a while ago that I spent a lot of time on Saturday working 
on my Cartographor automation. And since PAoaM is still gonna take a 
while to be passed, I figured I'd just show y'all.


http://github.com/AgoraNomic/Cartographor

generate.py makes htmls and (soon) text files that hold all the values 
relevant to each land unit.


data/changes.json contains a list of changes formatted with JavaScript 
Object Notation. I wanted to have this hook into o's registry system but 
e's gone and I'm not smart enough to set up my own version.


What you're looking at is hours and hours of rewriting the same 100 
lines of python code over and over to ensure maximum future 
compatibility. It is very low quality code. But it works so I don't care 
at the moment.


But it's all set up with gh-pages so you can go to:

http://agoranomic.org/Cartographor/maps/map-2018-02-11.html

and that is an interactive version of the map in its current state.

Anyways, just wanted to post that real quick because I've been waiting a 
long time to show it off.


--
Trigon

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

[Edward Murphy]

G. wrote:


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Edward Murphy wrote:

ArbitorMurphy 2018-01-28(ongoing) 2


Did someone re-start this election after winning it?  This is one
that was confusing me earlier.


No, that's incorrect data, will fix shortly.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fact-Checker's Guild

[Gaelan Steele]

You still need another supporter. 

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's a bit the intent.
> 
> A bit of a ridiculous way to make someone lose some shinies because the
> Auction is underway but oh well lol *dabs*
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> 
>> I object. Consent requires 50-50, and unless you can convince someone else
>> to support this, I’m safe. Besides, even if you get a co-conspirator, I’m
>> automatically kicked out of the contract upon amendment.
>> 
>> Gaelan
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I intend to leave the contract below (the "THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD" one)
>>> 
>>> I join the contract.
>>> 
>>> I intend to amend it to only say "Only Cuddlebeam can amend this
>> contract. Any
>>> player CAN become a party to this contract. No player can leave this
>>> contract, except for Cuddlebeam."
>>> 
 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
 
 Random FYI: some of your emails are displayed as Madeline <
 j...@iinet.net.au>, while rest are Telnaior . That’s
 probably worth fixing to avoid confusion (signing your emails is also a
 good habit to get into as well).
 
 Gaelan
 
> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Madeline  wrote:
> 
> Muphry's Law strikes again~
> 
>> On 2018-02-12 14:45, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> In intend, without objection, to rename this guild to “The
 Fact-Checkers’ Guild”.
>> 
>> This is embarrassing.
>> 
>> Gaelan
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I throw a shiny at Agora and create the following contract:
>>> 
>>> {
>>> THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD
>>> 
>>> This guild has Failed Its Duties if it is discovered that the
 game-state has changed due to the self-ratification of a document that,
 before its self-ratification, was incorrect. When this guild has Failed
>> Its
 Duties, all parties to this contract are considered to have breached its
 terms.
>>> 
>>> Any player CAN become a party to this contract.
>>> 
>>> Any party to this contract CAN leave it, provided that they have
 publicly announced their intention to do so, between 7 and 14 days
>> prior.
>>> 
>>> Any party to this contract CAN amend it with Agoran Consent (as
 defined in the ruleset, but only considering objectors and supporters
>> who
 are parties to the contract). Upon such an amendment, any parties who
 objected to the amendment are expelled from the contract (unless they
>> have
 publicly stated that they do not wish for this to occur).
>>> }
>>> 
>>> Gaelan
> 
> 
 
 
>> 
>> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fact-Checker's Guild

[Cuddle Beam]

Yes, that's a bit the intent.

A bit of a ridiculous way to make someone lose some shinies because the
Auction is underway but oh well lol *dabs*

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:40 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> I object. Consent requires 50-50, and unless you can convince someone else
> to support this, I’m safe. Besides, even if you get a co-conspirator, I’m
> automatically kicked out of the contract upon amendment.
>
> Gaelan
>
> > On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >
> > I intend to leave the contract below (the "THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD" one)
> >
> > I join the contract.
> >
> > I intend to amend it to only say "Only Cuddlebeam can amend this
> contract. Any
> > player CAN become a party to this contract. No player can leave this
> > contract, except for Cuddlebeam."
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> >
> >> Random FYI: some of your emails are displayed as Madeline <
> >> j...@iinet.net.au>, while rest are Telnaior . That’s
> >> probably worth fixing to avoid confusion (signing your emails is also a
> >> good habit to get into as well).
> >>
> >> Gaelan
> >>
> >>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Madeline  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Muphry's Law strikes again~
> >>>
> >>> On 2018-02-12 14:45, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>  In intend, without objection, to rename this guild to “The
> >> Fact-Checkers’ Guild”.
> 
>  This is embarrassing.
> 
>  Gaelan
> 
> > On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> >
> > I throw a shiny at Agora and create the following contract:
> >
> > {
> > THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD
> >
> > This guild has Failed Its Duties if it is discovered that the
> >> game-state has changed due to the self-ratification of a document that,
> >> before its self-ratification, was incorrect. When this guild has Failed
> Its
> >> Duties, all parties to this contract are considered to have breached its
> >> terms.
> >
> > Any player CAN become a party to this contract.
> >
> > Any party to this contract CAN leave it, provided that they have
> >> publicly announced their intention to do so, between 7 and 14 days
> prior.
> >
> > Any party to this contract CAN amend it with Agoran Consent (as
> >> defined in the ruleset, but only considering objectors and supporters
> who
> >> are parties to the contract). Upon such an amendment, any parties who
> >> objected to the amendment are expelled from the contract (unless they
> have
> >> publicly stated that they do not wish for this to occur).
> > }
> >
> > Gaelan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fact-Checker's Guild

[Gaelan Steele]

Oops—meant to say that consent requires 51%.

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
> I object. Consent requires 50-50, and unless you can convince someone else to 
> support this, I’m safe. Besides, even if you get a co-conspirator, I’m 
> automatically kicked out of the contract upon amendment.
> 
> Gaelan
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:18 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> 
>> I intend to leave the contract below (the "THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD" one)
>> 
>> I join the contract.
>> 
>> I intend to amend it to only say "Only Cuddlebeam can amend this contract. 
>> Any
>> player CAN become a party to this contract. No player can leave this
>> contract, except for Cuddlebeam."
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> 
>>> Random FYI: some of your emails are displayed as Madeline <
>>> j...@iinet.net.au>, while rest are Telnaior . That’s
>>> probably worth fixing to avoid confusion (signing your emails is also a
>>> good habit to get into as well).
>>> 
>>> Gaelan
>>> 
 On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Madeline  wrote:
 
 Muphry's Law strikes again~
 
 On 2018-02-12 14:45, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> In intend, without objection, to rename this guild to “The
>>> Fact-Checkers’ Guild”.
> 
> This is embarrassing.
> 
> Gaelan
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> 
>> I throw a shiny at Agora and create the following contract:
>> 
>> {
>> THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD
>> 
>> This guild has Failed Its Duties if it is discovered that the
>>> game-state has changed due to the self-ratification of a document that,
>>> before its self-ratification, was incorrect. When this guild has Failed Its
>>> Duties, all parties to this contract are considered to have breached its
>>> terms.
>> 
>> Any player CAN become a party to this contract.
>> 
>> Any party to this contract CAN leave it, provided that they have
>>> publicly announced their intention to do so, between 7 and 14 days prior.
>> 
>> Any party to this contract CAN amend it with Agoran Consent (as
>>> defined in the ruleset, but only considering objectors and supporters who
>>> are parties to the contract). Upon such an amendment, any parties who
>>> objected to the amendment are expelled from the contract (unless they have
>>> publicly stated that they do not wish for this to occur).
>> }
>> 
>> Gaelan
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fact-Checker's Guild

[Gaelan Steele]

Random FYI: some of your emails are displayed as Madeline , 
while rest are Telnaior . That’s probably worth fixing to 
avoid confusion (signing your emails is also a good habit to get into as well).

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Madeline  wrote:
> 
> Muphry's Law strikes again~
> 
> On 2018-02-12 14:45, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> In intend, without objection, to rename this guild to “The Fact-Checkers’ 
>> Guild”.
>> 
>> This is embarrassing.
>> 
>> Gaelan
>> 
>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I throw a shiny at Agora and create the following contract:
>>> 
>>> {
>>> THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD
>>> 
>>> This guild has Failed Its Duties if it is discovered that the game-state 
>>> has changed due to the self-ratification of a document that, before its 
>>> self-ratification, was incorrect. When this guild has Failed Its Duties, 
>>> all parties to this contract are considered to have breached its terms.
>>> 
>>> Any player CAN become a party to this contract.
>>> 
>>> Any party to this contract CAN leave it, provided that they have publicly 
>>> announced their intention to do so, between 7 and 14 days prior.
>>> 
>>> Any party to this contract CAN amend it with Agoran Consent (as defined in 
>>> the ruleset, but only considering objectors and supporters who are parties 
>>> to the contract). Upon such an amendment, any parties who objected to the 
>>> amendment are expelled from the contract (unless they have publicly stated 
>>> that they do not wish for this to occur).
>>> }
>>> 
>>> Gaelan
> 
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fact-Checker's Guild

[Madeline]

Muphry's Law strikes again~

On 2018-02-12 14:45, Gaelan Steele wrote:

In intend, without objection, to rename this guild to “The Fact-Checkers’ 
Guild”.

This is embarrassing.

Gaelan


On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

I throw a shiny at Agora and create the following contract:

{
THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD

This guild has Failed Its Duties if it is discovered that the game-state has 
changed due to the self-ratification of a document that, before its 
self-ratification, was incorrect. When this guild has Failed Its Duties, all 
parties to this contract are considered to have breached its terms.

Any player CAN become a party to this contract.

Any party to this contract CAN leave it, provided that they have publicly 
announced their intention to do so, between 7 and 14 days prior.

Any party to this contract CAN amend it with Agoran Consent (as defined in the 
ruleset, but only considering objectors and supporters who are parties to the 
contract). Upon such an amendment, any parties who objected to the amendment 
are expelled from the contract (unless they have publicly stated that they do 
not wish for this to occur).
}

Gaelan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fact-Checker's Guild

[Alexis Hunt]

Does it even have a title? It looks to me like it has no title and a first
line of text that is grammatically incorrect.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 22:45, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> In intend, without objection, to rename this guild to “The Fact-Checkers’
> Guild”.
>
> This is embarrassing.
>
> Gaelan
>
> > On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> >
> > I throw a shiny at Agora and create the following contract:
> >
> > {
> > THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD
> >
> > This guild has Failed Its Duties if it is discovered that the game-state
> has changed due to the self-ratification of a document that, before its
> self-ratification, was incorrect. When this guild has Failed Its Duties,
> all parties to this contract are considered to have breached its terms.
> >
> > Any player CAN become a party to this contract.
> >
> > Any party to this contract CAN leave it, provided that they have
> publicly announced their intention to do so, between 7 and 14 days prior.
> >
> > Any party to this contract CAN amend it with Agoran Consent (as defined
> in the ruleset, but only considering objectors and supporters who are
> parties to the contract). Upon such an amendment, any parties who objected
> to the amendment are expelled from the contract (unless they have publicly
> stated that they do not wish for this to occur).
> > }
> >
> > Gaelan
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Fact-Checker's Guild

[Gaelan Steele]

In intend, without objection, to rename this guild to “The Fact-Checkers’ 
Guild”.

This is embarrassing.

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> 
> I throw a shiny at Agora and create the following contract:
> 
> {
> THE FACT-CHECKER’S GUILD
> 
> This guild has Failed Its Duties if it is discovered that the game-state has 
> changed due to the self-ratification of a document that, before its 
> self-ratification, was incorrect. When this guild has Failed Its Duties, all 
> parties to this contract are considered to have breached its terms.
> 
> Any player CAN become a party to this contract.
> 
> Any party to this contract CAN leave it, provided that they have publicly 
> announced their intention to do so, between 7 and 14 days prior.
> 
> Any party to this contract CAN amend it with Agoran Consent (as defined in 
> the ruleset, but only considering objectors and supporters who are parties to 
> the contract). Upon such an amendment, any parties who objected to the 
> amendment are expelled from the contract (unless they have publicly stated 
> that they do not wish for this to occur).
> }
> 
> Gaelan

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8010-8014

[Alexis Hunt]

Burma shave


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 22:23, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Browsing the Archives
> Is much easier for me
> If binned into months
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > Mailman is mean
> > And requires a password
> > Use Mail-Archive
> >
> > (Please)
> >
> > Gaelan
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal,
> > >
> > > I don't mean to fuss and I don't mean to bug
> > > But you swept this proposal under a rug:
> > >
> > >
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-February/037795.html
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8010-8014

[Kerim Aydin]

Browsing the Archives
Is much easier for me
If binned into months

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> Mailman is mean
> And requires a password
> Use Mail-Archive
> 
> (Please)
> 
> Gaelan
> 
> > On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> I hereby distribute each listed proposal,
> > 
> > I don't mean to fuss and I don't mean to bug
> > But you swept this proposal under a rug:
> > 
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-February/037795.html
> > 
> > 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8010-8014

[Gaelan Steele]

Mailman is mean
And requires a password
Use Mail-Archive

(Please)

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal,
> 
> I don't mean to fuss and I don't mean to bug
> But you swept this proposal under a rug:
> 
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-February/037795.html
> 
> 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8010-8014

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal,

I don't mean to fuss and I don't mean to bug
But you swept this proposal under a rug:

https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2018-February/037795.html

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Edward Murphy wrote:
> ArbitorMurphy 2018-01-28(ongoing) 2

Did someone re-start this election after winning it?  This is one
that was confusing me earlier.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Cuddle Beam]

Which is the summary and which is the main though?

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> The list of changes may be a summary that is ignored ("if such a document
> can be divided into a summary section and a main section, where the only
> purpose of the summary section is to summarize information in the main
> section, and the main section is internally consistent, ratification of the
> document proceeds as if it contained only the main section”).
>
> Gaelan
>
> > On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >
> >> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny errors are
> > enough to stop it.
> >
> > To further support this, I believe scams rely precisely on a pedantic
> > reading of the rules and content, to have your "scam content" be
> impervious
> > to it would be special pleading.
> >
> > To support Tel's Ribbon, we DO have this:
> >
> > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> >
> >
> > Which is dated at 2018. So, while this IS a "clairvoyant" report because
> it
> > was dated at 2017, that ribbon at that date is still ratified.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> >> date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> >> the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> >> "On (date) there were no elections".
> >>
> >> In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> >> for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> >> ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> >> ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> >> legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> >> from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
> >>
> >> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> >> errors are enough to stop it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> >>> The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> >>> report.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
>  thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > It was in eir previous report.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
>  wrote:
> >
> >> CoE:
> >>
> >> 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> >>
> >> You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
>  for a
> >> week, as per R2201.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> >>> Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> >>>
> >>> Festivity: 0
> >>>
> >>> Players' ribbon holdings:
> >>>
> >>>   ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >>> Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> >>> Aris   RMUV P
> >>> Corona
> >>> Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> >>> G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> >>> GaelanC MUV A
> >>> MurphyCB UV A
> >>> nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> >>> o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> >>> omd   C  UVKA
> >>> pokes
> >>> Publius [1]   C MUV
> >>> Quazie  O C MUVKA
> >>> Telnaior   KA
> >>> Trigon
> >>> Josh T. [3]  UV A
> >>> V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> >>>
> >>> Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> >>>
> >>>   ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >>> ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> >>> aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> >>> ATMunn  A
> >>> babelian U
> >>> Bayushi MU
> >>> BedeM W
> >>> Chuck   M
> >>> grokO  BMUV
> >>> Ienpw IIIUV
> >>> K W
> >>> Ørjan   M V
> >>> Roujo V
> >>> Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> >>> stadjer   W
> >>> Tanner Swett  C M
> >>> Tekneek M
> >>> Tiger  BM
> >>> tmanthe2nd   UV
> >>> VeggiekeksC  UV
> >>> Yally   M
> >>> Zachary W [2]U
> >>>
> >>> [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>> [2] Zachary Watterson
> >>> [3] 天火狐
> >>>
> >>> The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to
> >> how
> >>> most Ribbons 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Gaelan Steele]

The list of changes may be a summary that is ignored ("if such a document can 
be divided into a summary section and a main section, where the only purpose of 
the summary section is to summarize information in the main section, and the 
main section is internally consistent, ratification of the document proceeds as 
if it contained only the main section”).

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:13 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
>> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny errors are
> enough to stop it.
> 
> To further support this, I believe scams rely precisely on a pedantic
> reading of the rules and content, to have your "scam content" be impervious
> to it would be special pleading.
> 
> To support Tel's Ribbon, we DO have this:
> 
> 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> 
> 
> Which is dated at 2018. So, while this IS a "clairvoyant" report because it
> was dated at 2017, that ribbon at that date is still ratified.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
>> date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
>> the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
>> "On (date) there were no elections".
>> 
>> In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
>> for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
>> ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
>> ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
>> legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
>> from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
>> 
>> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
>> errors are enough to stop it.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>>> The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
>>> report.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> 
 Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
 
 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
 thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> It was in eir previous report.
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
 wrote:
> 
>> CoE:
>> 
>> 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
>> 
>> You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
 for a
>> week, as per R2201.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Date of this report: 2017-02-12
>>> Date of last report: 2017-01-31
>>> 
>>> Festivity: 0
>>> 
>>> Players' ribbon holdings:
>>> 
>>>   ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
>>> Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
>>> Aris   RMUV P
>>> Corona
>>> Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
>>> G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
>>> GaelanC MUV A
>>> MurphyCB UV A
>>> nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
>>> o  ROG BMUV   W AT
>>> omd   C  UVKA
>>> pokes
>>> Publius [1]   C MUV
>>> Quazie  O C MUVKA
>>> Telnaior   KA
>>> Trigon
>>> Josh T. [3]  UV A
>>> V.J. Rada   MU   LW
>>> 
>>> Non-players' ribbon holdings:
>>> 
>>>   ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
>>> ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
>>> aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
>>> ATMunn  A
>>> babelian U
>>> Bayushi MU
>>> BedeM W
>>> Chuck   M
>>> grokO  BMUV
>>> Ienpw IIIUV
>>> K W
>>> Ørjan   M V
>>> Roujo V
>>> Sprocklem   MUV   W A
>>> stadjer   W
>>> Tanner Swett  C M
>>> Tekneek M
>>> Tiger  BM
>>> tmanthe2nd   UV
>>> VeggiekeksC  UV
>>> Yally   M
>>> Zachary W [2]U
>>> 
>>> [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> [2] Zachary Watterson
>>> [3] 天火狐
>>> 
>>> The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to
>> how
>>> most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon;
>> you
>>> then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for
>> a
>>> Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
>>> recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
>>> work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
>>> 
>>> Approximate 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Kerim Aydin]

Alternate alternate: a document purporting to be values from a year ago
is no more purporting to hold the actual report then if someone published
"Here's what the switches were last year"

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> Or, alternate argument: such a document would fail to be "the value of each
> instance of that switch whose value is not its default value;" and
> therefore fail to even satisfy the reporting requirement.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:22, Alexis Hunt  wrote:
> 
> > I don't think self-ratification would work that way, though.
> > Self-ratification is clearly limited in scope to the listings themselves. I
> > don't think any surrounding disclaimers or the like are included.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:21, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> The ratified report in man also has 2017.
> >>
> >> I'm sure that ratification works that way if you explicitly write
> >> "The following holding were true on 'date'" because we've done
> >> that before.  The question in my mind is whether a less directed
> >> "Date of this report" has the same effect.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> >>
> >> > The ratified report was correct though, wasn't it?
> >> >
> >> > In any case, I'm not sure ratification works that way, but I'm not sure
> >> it
> >> > can't either. I don't recall any precedent about it, though.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:07, Kerim Aydin 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> >> > > date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> >> > > the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> >> > > "On (date) there were no elections".
> >> > >
> >> > > In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> >> > > for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> >> > > ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> >> > > ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> >> > > legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> >> > > from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
> >> > >
> >> > > Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> >> > > errors are enough to stop it.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> >> > > > The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the
> >> previous
> >> > > > report.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam 
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> >> > > > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > It was in eir previous report.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > -Aris
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam <
> >> cuddleb...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >  CoE:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its
> >> undoubted
> >> > > > > for a
> >> > > > > > > week, as per R2201.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> >> > > > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> >> > > > > > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Festivity: 0
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >> > > > > > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> >> > > > > > > > Aris   RMUV P
> >> > > > > > > > Corona
> >> > > > > > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> >> > > > > > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> >> > > > > > > > GaelanC MUV A
> >> > > > > > > > MurphyCB UV A
> >> > > > > > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> >> > > > > > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> >> > > > > > > > omd   C  UVKA
> >> > > > > > > > pokes
> >> > > > > > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> >> > > > > > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> >> > > > > > > > Telnaior   KA
> >> > > > > > > > Trigon
> >> > > > > > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> >> > > > > > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >> > > > > > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> >> > > > > > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> >> > > > > > > > ATMunn  A
> >> > > > > > > > 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Gaelan Steele]

Actions have consequences, my friend.

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 5:36 PM, Madeline  wrote:
> 
> And why do you make it sound like I'm not going to be Tailor anymore... :(

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Alexis Hunt]

Or, alternate argument: such a document would fail to be "the value of each
instance of that switch whose value is not its default value;" and
therefore fail to even satisfy the reporting requirement.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:22, Alexis Hunt  wrote:

> I don't think self-ratification would work that way, though.
> Self-ratification is clearly limited in scope to the listings themselves. I
> don't think any surrounding disclaimers or the like are included.
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:21, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The ratified report in man also has 2017.
>>
>> I'm sure that ratification works that way if you explicitly write
>> "The following holding were true on 'date'" because we've done
>> that before.  The question in my mind is whether a less directed
>> "Date of this report" has the same effect.
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>>
>> > The ratified report was correct though, wasn't it?
>> >
>> > In any case, I'm not sure ratification works that way, but I'm not sure
>> it
>> > can't either. I don't recall any precedent about it, though.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:07, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
>> > > date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
>> > > the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
>> > > "On (date) there were no elections".
>> > >
>> > > In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
>> > > for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
>> > > ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
>> > > ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
>> > > legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
>> > > from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
>> > >
>> > > Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
>> > > errors are enough to stop it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>> > > > The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the
>> previous
>> > > > report.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam 
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
>> > > > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > It was in eir previous report.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > -Aris
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam <
>> cuddleb...@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >  CoE:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its
>> undoubted
>> > > > > for a
>> > > > > > > week, as per R2201.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
>> > > > > > > > --
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
>> > > > > > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Festivity: 0
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
>> > > > > > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
>> > > > > > > > Aris   RMUV P
>> > > > > > > > Corona
>> > > > > > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
>> > > > > > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
>> > > > > > > > GaelanC MUV A
>> > > > > > > > MurphyCB UV A
>> > > > > > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
>> > > > > > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
>> > > > > > > > omd   C  UVKA
>> > > > > > > > pokes
>> > > > > > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
>> > > > > > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
>> > > > > > > > Telnaior   KA
>> > > > > > > > Trigon
>> > > > > > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
>> > > > > > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
>> > > > > > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
>> > > > > > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
>> > > > > > > > ATMunn  A
>> > > > > > > > babelian U
>> > > > > > > > Bayushi MU
>> > > > > > > > BedeM W
>> > > > > > > > Chuck   M
>> > > > > > > > grokO  BMUV
>> > > > > > > > Ienpw IIIUV
>> > > > > > > > K W
>> > > > > > > > Ørjan   M V
>> > > > > > > > Roujo V
>> > > > > > > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
>> > > > > > > > stadjer   

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Alexis Hunt]

I don't think self-ratification would work that way, though.
Self-ratification is clearly limited in scope to the listings themselves. I
don't think any surrounding disclaimers or the like are included.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:21, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> The ratified report in man also has 2017.
>
> I'm sure that ratification works that way if you explicitly write
> "The following holding were true on 'date'" because we've done
> that before.  The question in my mind is whether a less directed
> "Date of this report" has the same effect.
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>
> > The ratified report was correct though, wasn't it?
> >
> > In any case, I'm not sure ratification works that way, but I'm not sure
> it
> > can't either. I don't recall any precedent about it, though.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:07, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> > > date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> > > the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> > > "On (date) there were no elections".
> > >
> > > In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> > > for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> > > ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> > > ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> > > legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> > > from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
> > >
> > > Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> > > errors are enough to stop it.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > > The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the
> previous
> > > > report.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> > > > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It was in eir previous report.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Aris
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam <
> cuddleb...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >  CoE:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its
> undoubted
> > > > > for a
> > > > > > > week, as per R2201.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > > > > > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Festivity: 0
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > > > > > > > Aris   RMUV P
> > > > > > > > Corona
> > > > > > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > > > > > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > > > > > > > GaelanC MUV A
> > > > > > > > MurphyCB UV A
> > > > > > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > > > > > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > > > > > > > omd   C  UVKA
> > > > > > > > pokes
> > > > > > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > > > > > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > > > > > > > Telnaior   KA
> > > > > > > > Trigon
> > > > > > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > > > > > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > > > > > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > > > > > > > ATMunn  A
> > > > > > > > babelian U
> > > > > > > > Bayushi MU
> > > > > > > > BedeM W
> > > > > > > > Chuck   M
> > > > > > > > grokO  BMUV
> > > > > > > > Ienpw IIIUV
> > > > > > > > K W
> > > > > > > > Ørjan   M V
> > > > > > > > Roujo V
> > > > > > > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > > > > > > > stadjer   W
> > > > > > > > Tanner Swett  C M
> > > > > > > > Tekneek M
> > > > > > > > Tiger  BM
> > > > > > > > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > > > > > > > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > > > > > > > Yally   M
> > > > > > > > Zachary W [2]U
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > > > > > > [2] 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Kerim Aydin]

The ratified report in man also has 2017.

I'm sure that ratification works that way if you explicitly write
"The following holding were true on 'date'" because we've done
that before.  The question in my mind is whether a less directed
"Date of this report" has the same effect.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:

> The ratified report was correct though, wasn't it?
> 
> In any case, I'm not sure ratification works that way, but I'm not sure it
> can't either. I don't recall any precedent about it, though.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:07, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> > date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> > the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> > "On (date) there were no elections".
> >
> > In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> > for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> > ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> > ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> > legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> > from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
> >
> > Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> > errors are enough to stop it.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> > > report.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> > > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It was in eir previous report.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Aris
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  CoE:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> > > > for a
> > > > > > week, as per R2201.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > > > > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Festivity: 0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > > > > > > Aris   RMUV P
> > > > > > > Corona
> > > > > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > > > > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > > > > > > GaelanC MUV A
> > > > > > > MurphyCB UV A
> > > > > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > > > > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > > > > > > omd   C  UVKA
> > > > > > > pokes
> > > > > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > > > > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > > > > > > Telnaior   KA
> > > > > > > Trigon
> > > > > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > > > > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > > > > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > > > > > > ATMunn  A
> > > > > > > babelian U
> > > > > > > Bayushi MU
> > > > > > > BedeM W
> > > > > > > Chuck   M
> > > > > > > grokO  BMUV
> > > > > > > Ienpw IIIUV
> > > > > > > K W
> > > > > > > Ørjan   M V
> > > > > > > Roujo V
> > > > > > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > > > > > > stadjer   W
> > > > > > > Tanner Swett  C M
> > > > > > > Tekneek M
> > > > > > > Tiger  BM
> > > > > > > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > > > > > > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > > > > > > Yally   M
> > > > > > > Zachary W [2]U
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > > > > > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > > > > > > [3] 天火狐
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to
> > how
> > > > > > > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon;
> > you
> > > > > > > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for
> > a
> > > > > > > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > > > > > > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > > > > > > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> > > 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Kerim Aydin]

The transaction dates aren't self-ratifying, just the ribbon holdings
I think?

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that the date of the report is part of the report.
> 
> But, you do have information from the future in that report, which seems
> absurd, but we have ratified (deliberately!!!) absurdities before, so I
> don't think it matters. What's there is there.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Madeline  wrote:
> 
> > It... might be the case, but then I'm pretty certain it'd override the
> > previous self-ratifications and just make it so that everyone's had these
> > ribbons for a year.
> > Also, the rules are very strict on "nothing self-ratifies unless we
> > explicitly say it does", and nowhere does it say the date of the report is
> > something that is self-ratifying.
> >
> >
> > On 2018-02-12 13:07, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> >> When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> >> date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> >> the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> >> "On (date) there were no elections".
> >>
> >> In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> >> for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> >> ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> >> ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> >> legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> >> from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
> >>
> >> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> >> errors are enough to stop it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> >>
> >>> The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> >>> report.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
>  thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  It was in eir previous report.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> >
>  wrote:
> 
> >   CoE:
> >>
> >> 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> >>
> >> You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> >>
> > for a
> 
> > week, as per R2201.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:
> >>
> >> TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> >>> Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> >>>
> >>> Festivity: 0
> >>>
> >>> Players' ribbon holdings:
> >>>
> >>> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >>> Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> >>> Aris   RMUV P
> >>> Corona
> >>> Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> >>> G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> >>> GaelanC MUV A
> >>> MurphyCB UV A
> >>> nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> >>> o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> >>> omd   C  UVKA
> >>> pokes
> >>> Publius [1]   C MUV
> >>> Quazie  O C MUVKA
> >>> Telnaior   KA
> >>> Trigon
> >>> Josh T. [3]  UV A
> >>> V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> >>>
> >>> Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> >>>
> >>> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >>> ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> >>> aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> >>> ATMunn  A
> >>> babelian U
> >>> Bayushi MU
> >>> BedeM W
> >>> Chuck   M
> >>> grokO  BMUV
> >>> Ienpw IIIUV
> >>> K W
> >>> Ørjan   M V
> >>> Roujo V
> >>> Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> >>> stadjer   W
> >>> Tanner Swett  C M
> >>> Tekneek M
> >>> Tiger  BM
> >>> tmanthe2nd   UV
> >>> VeggiekeksC  UV
> >>> Yally   M
> >>> Zachary W [2]U
> >>>
> >>> [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>> [2] Zachary Watterson
> >>> [3] 天火狐
> >>>
> >>> The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> >>> most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> >>> then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> >>> Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> >>> recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> >>> work differently; see rule 2438 for details.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Alexis Hunt]

Reports as a whole don't ratify, though. Only parts of them do, and the
date is, as far as I know, not a part of it.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:16, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that the date of the report is part of the report.
>
> But, you do have information from the future in that report, which seems
> absurd, but we have ratified (deliberately!!!) absurdities before, so I
> don't think it matters. What's there is there.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Madeline  wrote:
>
> > It... might be the case, but then I'm pretty certain it'd override the
> > previous self-ratifications and just make it so that everyone's had these
> > ribbons for a year.
> > Also, the rules are very strict on "nothing self-ratifies unless we
> > explicitly say it does", and nowhere does it say the date of the report
> is
> > something that is self-ratifying.
> >
> >
> > On 2018-02-12 13:07, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> >> When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> >> date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> >> the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> >> "On (date) there were no elections".
> >>
> >> In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> >> for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> >> ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> >> ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> >> legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> >> from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
> >>
> >> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> >> errors are enough to stop it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> >>
> >>> The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> >>> report.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
>  thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  It was in eir previous report.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> >
>  wrote:
> 
> >   CoE:
> >>
> >> 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> >>
> >> You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> >>
> > for a
> 
> > week, as per R2201.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> >>> Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> >>>
> >>> Festivity: 0
> >>>
> >>> Players' ribbon holdings:
> >>>
> >>> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >>> Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> >>> Aris   RMUV P
> >>> Corona
> >>> Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> >>> G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> >>> GaelanC MUV A
> >>> MurphyCB UV A
> >>> nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> >>> o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> >>> omd   C  UVKA
> >>> pokes
> >>> Publius [1]   C MUV
> >>> Quazie  O C MUVKA
> >>> Telnaior   KA
> >>> Trigon
> >>> Josh T. [3]  UV A
> >>> V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> >>>
> >>> Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> >>>
> >>> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> >>> ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> >>> aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> >>> ATMunn  A
> >>> babelian U
> >>> Bayushi MU
> >>> BedeM W
> >>> Chuck   M
> >>> grokO  BMUV
> >>> Ienpw IIIUV
> >>> K W
> >>> Ørjan   M V
> >>> Roujo V
> >>> Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> >>> stadjer   W
> >>> Tanner Swett  C M
> >>> Tekneek M
> >>> Tiger  BM
> >>> tmanthe2nd   UV
> >>> VeggiekeksC  UV
> >>> Yally   M
> >>> Zachary W [2]U
> >>>
> >>> [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>> [2] Zachary Watterson
> >>> [3] 天火狐
> >>>
> >>> The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to
> how
> >>> most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> >>> then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> >>> Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> >>> recently), any player can "award" you that 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Cuddle Beam]

I'm pretty sure that the date of the report is part of the report.

But, you do have information from the future in that report, which seems
absurd, but we have ratified (deliberately!!!) absurdities before, so I
don't think it matters. What's there is there.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:14 AM, Madeline  wrote:

> It... might be the case, but then I'm pretty certain it'd override the
> previous self-ratifications and just make it so that everyone's had these
> ribbons for a year.
> Also, the rules are very strict on "nothing self-ratifies unless we
> explicitly say it does", and nowhere does it say the date of the report is
> something that is self-ratifying.
>
>
> On 2018-02-12 13:07, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>> When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
>> date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
>> the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
>> "On (date) there were no elections".
>>
>> In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
>> for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
>> ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
>> ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
>> legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
>> from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
>>
>> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
>> errors are enough to stop it.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
>>
>>> The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
>>> report.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh shit, true. Well, OK.

 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
 thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

 It was in eir previous report.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
>
 wrote:

>   CoE:
>>
>> 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
>>
>> You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
>>
> for a

> week, as per R2201.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:
>>
>> TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
>>> --
>>>
>>> Date of this report: 2017-02-12
>>> Date of last report: 2017-01-31
>>>
>>> Festivity: 0
>>>
>>> Players' ribbon holdings:
>>>
>>> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
>>> Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
>>> Aris   RMUV P
>>> Corona
>>> Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
>>> G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
>>> GaelanC MUV A
>>> MurphyCB UV A
>>> nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
>>> o  ROG BMUV   W AT
>>> omd   C  UVKA
>>> pokes
>>> Publius [1]   C MUV
>>> Quazie  O C MUVKA
>>> Telnaior   KA
>>> Trigon
>>> Josh T. [3]  UV A
>>> V.J. Rada   MU   LW
>>>
>>> Non-players' ribbon holdings:
>>>
>>> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
>>> ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
>>> aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
>>> ATMunn  A
>>> babelian U
>>> Bayushi MU
>>> BedeM W
>>> Chuck   M
>>> grokO  BMUV
>>> Ienpw IIIUV
>>> K W
>>> Ørjan   M V
>>> Roujo V
>>> Sprocklem   MUV   W A
>>> stadjer   W
>>> Tanner Swett  C M
>>> Tekneek M
>>> Tiger  BM
>>> tmanthe2nd   UV
>>> VeggiekeksC  UV
>>> Yally   M
>>> Zachary W [2]U
>>>
>>> [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> [2] Zachary Watterson
>>> [3] 天火狐
>>>
>>> The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
>>> most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
>>> then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
>>> Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
>>> recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
>>> work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
>>>
>>> Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
>>> Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
>>> Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
>>> GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
>>> Cyan Deputise for an office
>>> Blue Judge a CFJ without 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Madeline]

It... might be the case, but then I'm pretty certain it'd override the 
previous self-ratifications and just make it so that everyone's had 
these ribbons for a year.
Also, the rules are very strict on "nothing self-ratifies unless we 
explicitly say it does", and nowhere does it say the date of the report 
is something that is self-ratifying.


On 2018-02-12 13:07, Kerim Aydin wrote:

When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
"On (date) there were no elections".

In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.

Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
errors are enough to stop it.


On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:

The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
report.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:


Oh shit, true. Well, OK.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:


It was in eir previous report.

-Aris

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 

wrote:

  CoE:

2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)

You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted

for a

week, as per R2201.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:


TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
--

Date of this report: 2017-02-12
Date of last report: 2017-01-31

Festivity: 0

Players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
Aris   RMUV P
Corona
Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
GaelanC MUV A
MurphyCB UV A
nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
o  ROG BMUV   W AT
omd   C  UVKA
pokes
Publius [1]   C MUV
Quazie  O C MUVKA
Telnaior   KA
Trigon
Josh T. [3]  UV A
V.J. Rada   MU   LW

Non-players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
ATMunn  A
babelian U
Bayushi MU
BedeM W
Chuck   M
grokO  BMUV
Ienpw IIIUV
K W
Ørjan   M V
Roujo V
Sprocklem   MUV   W A
stadjer   W
Tanner Swett  C M
Tekneek M
Tiger  BM
tmanthe2nd   UV
VeggiekeksC  UV
Yally   M
Zachary W [2]U

[1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[2] Zachary Watterson
[3] 天火狐

The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
work differently; see rule 2438 for details.

Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
Cyan Deputise for an office
Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
Indigo   Gain a degree
Platinum Become the Speaker
Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by

someone

who has never gifted a White Ribbon
blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
have count)

History of Ribbon holdings:
2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
2015-05-01  aranea   

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Cuddle Beam]

> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny errors are
enough to stop it.

To further support this, I believe scams rely precisely on a pedantic
reading of the rules and content, to have your "scam content" be impervious
to it would be special pleading.

To support Tel's Ribbon, we DO have this:

2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)


Which is dated at 2018. So, while this IS a "clairvoyant" report because it
was dated at 2017, that ribbon at that date is still ratified.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> "On (date) there were no elections".
>
> In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
>
> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> errors are enough to stop it.
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> > report.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >
> > > Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It was in eir previous report.
> > > >
> > > > -Aris
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  CoE:
> > > > >
> > > > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> > > > >
> > > > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> > > for a
> > > > > week, as per R2201.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > > > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Festivity: 0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > > > > > Aris   RMUV P
> > > > > > Corona
> > > > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > > > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > > > > > GaelanC MUV A
> > > > > > MurphyCB UV A
> > > > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > > > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > > > > > omd   C  UVKA
> > > > > > pokes
> > > > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > > > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > > > > > Telnaior   KA
> > > > > > Trigon
> > > > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > > > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > > > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > > > > > ATMunn  A
> > > > > > babelian U
> > > > > > Bayushi MU
> > > > > > BedeM W
> > > > > > Chuck   M
> > > > > > grokO  BMUV
> > > > > > Ienpw IIIUV
> > > > > > K W
> > > > > > Ørjan   M V
> > > > > > Roujo V
> > > > > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > > > > > stadjer   W
> > > > > > Tanner Swett  C M
> > > > > > Tekneek M
> > > > > > Tiger  BM
> > > > > > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > > > > > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > > > > > Yally   M
> > > > > > Zachary W [2]U
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > > > > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > > > > > [3] 天火狐
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to
> how
> > > > > > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon;
> you
> > > > > > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for
> a
> > > > > > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > > > > > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > > > > > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> > > > > > Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+
> rule
> > > > > > Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> > > > > > 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Alexis Hunt]

The ratified report was correct though, wasn't it?

In any case, I'm not sure ratification works that way, but I'm not sure it
can't either. I don't recall any precedent about it, though.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 21:07, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
> date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
> the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
> "On (date) there were no elections".
>
> In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
> for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
> ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
> ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
> legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
> from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.
>
> Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
> errors are enough to stop it.
>
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> > report.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >
> > > Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> > > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It was in eir previous report.
> > > >
> > > > -Aris
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  CoE:
> > > > >
> > > > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> > > > >
> > > > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> > > for a
> > > > > week, as per R2201.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > > > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Festivity: 0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > > > > > Aris   RMUV P
> > > > > > Corona
> > > > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > > > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > > > > > GaelanC MUV A
> > > > > > MurphyCB UV A
> > > > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > > > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > > > > > omd   C  UVKA
> > > > > > pokes
> > > > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > > > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > > > > > Telnaior   KA
> > > > > > Trigon
> > > > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > > > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > > > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > > > > > ATMunn  A
> > > > > > babelian U
> > > > > > Bayushi MU
> > > > > > BedeM W
> > > > > > Chuck   M
> > > > > > grokO  BMUV
> > > > > > Ienpw IIIUV
> > > > > > K W
> > > > > > Ørjan   M V
> > > > > > Roujo V
> > > > > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > > > > > stadjer   W
> > > > > > Tanner Swett  C M
> > > > > > Tekneek M
> > > > > > Tiger  BM
> > > > > > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > > > > > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > > > > > Yally   M
> > > > > > Zachary W [2]U
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > > > > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > > > > > [3] 天火狐
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to
> how
> > > > > > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon;
> you
> > > > > > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for
> a
> > > > > > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > > > > > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > > > > > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> > > > > > Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+
> rule
> > > > > > Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> > > > > > GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late
> duties
> > > > > > Cyan Deputise for an office
> > > > > > Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> > > > > > Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> > > > > > Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> > 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Kerim Aydin]

When you ratify a report that includes a specific "this is the
date this report is for", my understanding is that this modifies
the values for that date.  Just like my recent attempt to ratify
"On (date) there were no elections".

In this case, you would have ratified everyone's ribbon holdings
for a year ago.  However, we have reports from the fall that
ratified in late 2017, that state at a later date you didn't have the
ribbons.  So I think your attempt failed...perhaps?  That now the
legal historical record is that those were the ribbon holdings
from early 2017 until the next actual report ratified last year.

Remember, we apply very strict scrutiny to scams and tiny
errors are enough to stop it.


On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> report.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
> > Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> > thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It was in eir previous report.
> > >
> > > -Aris
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >  CoE:
> > > >
> > > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> > > >
> > > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> > for a
> > > > week, as per R2201.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> > > > >
> > > > > Festivity: 0
> > > > >
> > > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > >
> > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > > > > Aris   RMUV P
> > > > > Corona
> > > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > > > > GaelanC MUV A
> > > > > MurphyCB UV A
> > > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > > > > omd   C  UVKA
> > > > > pokes
> > > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > > > > Telnaior   KA
> > > > > Trigon
> > > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> > > > >
> > > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> > > > >
> > > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > > > > ATMunn  A
> > > > > babelian U
> > > > > Bayushi MU
> > > > > BedeM W
> > > > > Chuck   M
> > > > > grokO  BMUV
> > > > > Ienpw IIIUV
> > > > > K W
> > > > > Ørjan   M V
> > > > > Roujo V
> > > > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > > > > stadjer   W
> > > > > Tanner Swett  C M
> > > > > Tekneek M
> > > > > Tiger  BM
> > > > > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > > > > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > > > > Yally   M
> > > > > Zachary W [2]U
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > > > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > > > > [3] 天火狐
> > > > >
> > > > > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> > > > > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> > > > > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> > > > > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > > > > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > > > > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> > > > >
> > > > > Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> > > > > Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
> > > > > Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> > > > > GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
> > > > > Cyan Deputise for an office
> > > > > Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> > > > > Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> > > > > Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> > > > > Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
> > > > > Indigo   Gain a degree
> > > > > Platinum Become the Speaker
> > > > > Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
> > > > > WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by
> > someone
> > > > >who has never gifted a White Ribbon
> > > > > blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
> > > > > GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
> > > > > Transparent  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I don't think this will work, but let's do some rule science to find out

[Cuddle Beam]

I'd try to claim dibbs on this too but I already have one pending lol

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:03 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I favor this CFJ.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:00 PM, ATMunn  wrote:
> > I do not consent to abiding by any rule stating that I cannot register
> as a
> > player.
> >
> > I register as a player.
> >
> > I free-CFJ on the following statement: "ATMunn is a player."
> >
> > Arguments:
> >
> > Rule 869 states that "An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly
> > forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message
> that
> > indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends
> to
> > become a player at that time. A player CAN deregister (cease being a
> player)
> > by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT register or be registered for 30
> > days."
> >
> > This reasonably implies that if a player deregisters, e is not allowed to
> > register again for 30 days.
> >
> > The problem arises when you look at the very next paragraph: "A person,
> by
> > registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise
> bind a
> > person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful consent."
> >
> > Before I sent this message, I was not a player. Therefore, the rules
> CANNOT
> > bind me to abide by them. This means that I do not have to abide by the
> rule
> > stating that I cannot register.
> >
> > There is also the statement in a later paragraph stating a similar thing:
> > "The Rules CANNOT compel non-players to act without their express or
> > reasonably implied consent."
> >
> > I clearly did not give consent to the rules compelling me to not be able
> to
> > register, so they CANNOT compel me to do so by the above rule.
> >
> > So, I call for a verdict of TRUE. Feel free to argue away.
>

DIS: Re: BUS: I don't think this will work, but let's do some rule science to find out

[Aris Merchant]

I favor this CFJ.

-Aris

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 6:00 PM, ATMunn  wrote:
> I do not consent to abiding by any rule stating that I cannot register as a
> player.
>
> I register as a player.
>
> I free-CFJ on the following statement: "ATMunn is a player."
>
> Arguments:
>
> Rule 869 states that "An Unregistered person CAN (unless explicitly
> forbidden or prevented by the rules) register by publishing a message that
> indicates reasonably clearly and reasonably unambiguously that e intends to
> become a player at that time. A player CAN deregister (cease being a player)
> by announcement. If e does so, e CANNOT register or be registered for 30
> days."
>
> This reasonably implies that if a player deregisters, e is not allowed to
> register again for 30 days.
>
> The problem arises when you look at the very next paragraph: "A person, by
> registering, agrees to abide by the Rules. The Rules CANNOT otherwise bind a
> person to abide by any agreement without that person's willful consent."
>
> Before I sent this message, I was not a player. Therefore, the rules CANNOT
> bind me to abide by them. This means that I do not have to abide by the rule
> stating that I cannot register.
>
> There is also the statement in a later paragraph stating a similar thing:
> "The Rules CANNOT compel non-players to act without their express or
> reasonably implied consent."
>
> I clearly did not give consent to the rules compelling me to not be able to
> register, so they CANNOT compel me to do so by the above rule.
>
> So, I call for a verdict of TRUE. Feel free to argue away.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Cuddle Beam]

Occasional profanity is PG-13 so no worries lol

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:41 AM, ATMunn  wrote:

> pls no swearing kthxbye
>
>
> On 2/11/2018 7:19 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
>> Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
>> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It was in eir previous report.
>>>
>>> -Aris
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   CoE:

 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)

 You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted for
 a
 week, as per R2201.

 On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:

 TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> --
>
> Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> Date of last report: 2017-01-31
>
> Festivity: 0
>
> Players' ribbon holdings:
>
> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> Aris   RMUV P
> Corona
> Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> GaelanC MUV A
> MurphyCB UV A
> nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> omd   C  UVKA
> pokes
> Publius [1]   C MUV
> Quazie  O C MUVKA
> Telnaior   KA
> Trigon
> Josh T. [3]  UV A
> V.J. Rada   MU   LW
>
> Non-players' ribbon holdings:
>
> ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> ATMunn  A
> babelian U
> Bayushi MU
> BedeM W
> Chuck   M
> grokO  BMUV
> Ienpw IIIUV
> K W
> Ørjan   M V
> Roujo V
> Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> stadjer   W
> Tanner Swett  C M
> Tekneek M
> Tiger  BM
> tmanthe2nd   UV
> VeggiekeksC  UV
> Yally   M
> Zachary W [2]U
>
> [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> [2] Zachary Watterson
> [3] 天火狐
>
> The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
>
> Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
> Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
> Cyan Deputise for an office
> Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
> Indigo   Gain a degree
> Platinum Become the Speaker
> Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
> WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by someone
> who has never gifted a White Ribbon
> blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
> GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
> Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
> have count)
>
> History of Ribbon holdings:
> 2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
> 2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
> 2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
> 2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
> 2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
> 2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
> 2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
> 2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
> 2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
> 2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
> 2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
> 2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
> 2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Madeline]

The way the rule is written, I don't think it is a relative duration...?

On 2018-02-12 12:40, Alexis Hunt wrote:

"These definitions do not apply to relative durations (e.g. "within
 days after ")."


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 20:39, Madeline  wrote:


I put in a CFJ earlier, I think right now self-ratification requires a
full Agoran week (which is why I waited this long).

On 2018-02-12 12:37, Alexis Hunt wrote:

The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
report.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:


Oh shit, true. Well, OK.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:


It was in eir previous report.

-Aris

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 

wrote:

   CoE:

2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)

You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted

for a

week, as per R2201.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:


TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
--

Date of this report: 2017-02-12
Date of last report: 2017-01-31

Festivity: 0

Players' ribbon holdings:

 ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
Aris   RMUV P
Corona
Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
GaelanC MUV A
MurphyCB UV A
nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
o  ROG BMUV   W AT
omd   C  UVKA
pokes
Publius [1]   C MUV
Quazie  O C MUVKA
Telnaior   KA
Trigon
Josh T. [3]  UV A
V.J. Rada   MU   LW

Non-players' ribbon holdings:

 ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
ATMunn  A
babelian U
Bayushi MU
BedeM W
Chuck   M
grokO  BMUV
Ienpw IIIUV
K W
Ørjan   M V
Roujo V
Sprocklem   MUV   W A
stadjer   W
Tanner Swett  C M
Tekneek M
Tiger  BM
tmanthe2nd   UV
VeggiekeksC  UV
Yally   M
Zachary W [2]U

[1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[2] Zachary Watterson
[3] 天火狐

The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
work differently; see rule 2438 for details.

Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
Cyan Deputise for an office
Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
Indigo   Gain a degree
Platinum Become the Speaker
Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by

someone

 who has never gifted a White Ribbon
blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
 have count)

History of Ribbon holdings:
2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
2015-06-29  aranea  +M
2015-06-29  ais523  +M
2015-06-29  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[ATMunn]

pls no swearing kthxbye

On 2/11/2018 7:19 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:

Oh shit, true. Well, OK.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:


It was in eir previous report.

-Aris

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam  wrote:


  CoE:

2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)

You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted for a
week, as per R2201.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:


TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
--

Date of this report: 2017-02-12
Date of last report: 2017-01-31

Festivity: 0

Players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
Aris   RMUV P
Corona
Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
GaelanC MUV A
MurphyCB UV A
nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
o  ROG BMUV   W AT
omd   C  UVKA
pokes
Publius [1]   C MUV
Quazie  O C MUVKA
Telnaior   KA
Trigon
Josh T. [3]  UV A
V.J. Rada   MU   LW

Non-players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
ATMunn  A
babelian U
Bayushi MU
BedeM W
Chuck   M
grokO  BMUV
Ienpw IIIUV
K W
Ørjan   M V
Roujo V
Sprocklem   MUV   W A
stadjer   W
Tanner Swett  C M
Tekneek M
Tiger  BM
tmanthe2nd   UV
VeggiekeksC  UV
Yally   M
Zachary W [2]U

[1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[2] Zachary Watterson
[3] 天火狐

The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
work differently; see rule 2438 for details.

Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
Cyan Deputise for an office
Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
Indigo   Gain a degree
Platinum Become the Speaker
Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by someone
who has never gifted a White Ribbon
blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
have count)

History of Ribbon holdings:
2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
2015-06-29  aranea  +M
2015-06-29  ais523  +M
2015-06-29  the Warrigal+M
2015-06-29  Sprocklem   +M
2015-06-29  Tiger   +M
2015-06-29  G.  +M
2015-06-29  Bede+M
2015-06-30  Gaelan  +M
2015-06-30  aranea  +A
2015-06-30  Alexis  +O (Proposal 7753)
2015-07-10  G.  +G (as Arbitor)
2015-07-12  aranea  +V ("Unchampion")
2015-07-26  Alexis  +A
2015-07-28  aranea  +B (CFJ 3449)
2015-08-03  ais523  +V ("Silver Quill 2015/07")
2015-08-10  Tiger   +B (CFJ 3451)
2015-08-11  omd 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Alexis Hunt]

"These definitions do not apply to relative durations (e.g. "within
 days after ")."


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 20:39, Madeline  wrote:

> I put in a CFJ earlier, I think right now self-ratification requires a
> full Agoran week (which is why I waited this long).
>
> On 2018-02-12 12:37, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
> > report.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >
> >> Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> >> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It was in eir previous report.
> >>>
> >>> -Aris
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> >> wrote:
>    CoE:
> 
>  2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> 
>  You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> >> for a
>  week, as per R2201.
> 
>  On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:
> 
> > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > --
> >
> > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> >
> > Festivity: 0
> >
> > Players' ribbon holdings:
> >
> > ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > Aris   RMUV P
> > Corona
> > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > GaelanC MUV A
> > MurphyCB UV A
> > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > omd   C  UVKA
> > pokes
> > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > Telnaior   KA
> > Trigon
> > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> >
> > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> >
> > ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > ATMunn  A
> > babelian U
> > Bayushi MU
> > BedeM W
> > Chuck   M
> > grokO  BMUV
> > Ienpw IIIUV
> > K W
> > Ørjan   M V
> > Roujo V
> > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > stadjer   W
> > Tanner Swett  C M
> > Tekneek M
> > Tiger  BM
> > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > Yally   M
> > Zachary W [2]U
> >
> > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > [3] 天火狐
> >
> > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> >
> > Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> > Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
> > Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> > GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
> > Cyan Deputise for an office
> > Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> > Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> > Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> > Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
> > Indigo   Gain a degree
> > Platinum Become the Speaker
> > Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
> > WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by
> >> someone
> > who has never gifted a White Ribbon
> > blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
> > GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
> > Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
> > have count)
> >
> > History of Ribbon holdings:
> > 2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
> > 2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
> > 2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
> > 2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
> > 2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
> > 2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
> > 2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
> > 2015-05-01  

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Madeline]

I put in a CFJ earlier, I think right now self-ratification requires a 
full Agoran week (which is why I waited this long).


On 2018-02-12 12:37, Alexis Hunt wrote:

The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
report.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:


Oh shit, true. Well, OK.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:


It was in eir previous report.

-Aris

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 

wrote:

  CoE:

2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)

You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted

for a

week, as per R2201.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:


TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
--

Date of this report: 2017-02-12
Date of last report: 2017-01-31

Festivity: 0

Players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
Aris   RMUV P
Corona
Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
GaelanC MUV A
MurphyCB UV A
nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
o  ROG BMUV   W AT
omd   C  UVKA
pokes
Publius [1]   C MUV
Quazie  O C MUVKA
Telnaior   KA
Trigon
Josh T. [3]  UV A
V.J. Rada   MU   LW

Non-players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
ATMunn  A
babelian U
Bayushi MU
BedeM W
Chuck   M
grokO  BMUV
Ienpw IIIUV
K W
Ørjan   M V
Roujo V
Sprocklem   MUV   W A
stadjer   W
Tanner Swett  C M
Tekneek M
Tiger  BM
tmanthe2nd   UV
VeggiekeksC  UV
Yally   M
Zachary W [2]U

[1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[2] Zachary Watterson
[3] 天火狐

The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
work differently; see rule 2438 for details.

Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
Cyan Deputise for an office
Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
Indigo   Gain a degree
Platinum Become the Speaker
Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by

someone

who has never gifted a White Ribbon
blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
have count)

History of Ribbon holdings:
2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
2015-06-29  aranea  +M
2015-06-29  ais523  +M
2015-06-29  the Warrigal+M
2015-06-29  Sprocklem   +M
2015-06-29  Tiger   +M
2015-06-29  G.  +M
2015-06-29  Bede+M
2015-06-30  Gaelan  +M
2015-06-30  aranea  +A
2015-06-30  Alexis  +O (Proposal 7753)
2015-07-10  G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Alexis Hunt]

The date is still off, though---it happened one week after the previous
report.


On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 19:19, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> Oh shit, true. Well, OK.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It was in eir previous report.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >
> > >  CoE:
> > >
> > > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> > >
> > > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted
> for a
> > > week, as per R2201.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:
> > >
> > > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> > > >
> > > > Festivity: 0
> > > >
> > > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> > > >
> > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > > > Aris   RMUV P
> > > > Corona
> > > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > > > GaelanC MUV A
> > > > MurphyCB UV A
> > > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > > > omd   C  UVKA
> > > > pokes
> > > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > > > Telnaior   KA
> > > > Trigon
> > > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> > > >
> > > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> > > >
> > > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > > > ATMunn  A
> > > > babelian U
> > > > Bayushi MU
> > > > BedeM W
> > > > Chuck   M
> > > > grokO  BMUV
> > > > Ienpw IIIUV
> > > > K W
> > > > Ørjan   M V
> > > > Roujo V
> > > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > > > stadjer   W
> > > > Tanner Swett  C M
> > > > Tekneek M
> > > > Tiger  BM
> > > > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > > > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > > > Yally   M
> > > > Zachary W [2]U
> > > >
> > > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > > > [3] 天火狐
> > > >
> > > > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> > > > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> > > > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> > > > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > > > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > > > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> > > >
> > > > Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> > > > Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
> > > > Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> > > > GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
> > > > Cyan Deputise for an office
> > > > Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> > > > Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> > > > Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> > > > Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
> > > > Indigo   Gain a degree
> > > > Platinum Become the Speaker
> > > > Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
> > > > WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by
> someone
> > > >who has never gifted a White Ribbon
> > > > blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
> > > > GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
> > > > Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
> > > >have count)
> > > >
> > > > History of Ribbon holdings:
> > > > 2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
> > > > 2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
> > > > 2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
> > > > 2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
> > > > 2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
> > > > 2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
> > > > 2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
> > > > 2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
> > > > 2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
> > > > 2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
> > > > 2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
> > > > 2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
> > > > 2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
> > > > 2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
> > > > 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Madeline]

Pfft, and here I thought I'd survived the new year without accidentally 
dating something 2017.

And why do you make it sound like I'm not going to be Tailor anymore... :(

On 2018-02-12 12:32, Gaelan Steele wrote:

This report is dated 2017. Don’t believe that changes anything, but the future 
Tailor should probably fix it.

Gaelan


On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Telnaior  wrote:

TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
--

Date of this report: 2017-02-12
Date of last report: 2017-01-31

Festivity: 0

Players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
Aris   RMUV P
Corona
Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
GaelanC MUV A
MurphyCB UV A
nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
o  ROG BMUV   W AT
omd   C  UVKA
pokes
Publius [1]   C MUV
Quazie  O C MUVKA
Telnaior   KA
Trigon
Josh T. [3]  UV A
V.J. Rada   MU   LW

Non-players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
ATMunn  A
babelian U
Bayushi MU
BedeM W
Chuck   M
grokO  BMUV
Ienpw IIIUV
K W
Ørjan   M V
Roujo V
Sprocklem   MUV   W A
stadjer   W
Tanner Swett  C M
Tekneek M
Tiger  BM
tmanthe2nd   UV
VeggiekeksC  UV
Yally   M
Zachary W [2]U

[1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[2] Zachary Watterson
[3] 天火狐

The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
work differently; see rule 2438 for details.

Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
Cyan Deputise for an office
Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
Indigo   Gain a degree
Platinum Become the Speaker
Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by someone
who has never gifted a White Ribbon
blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
have count)

History of Ribbon holdings:
2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
2015-06-29  aranea  +M
2015-06-29  ais523  +M
2015-06-29  the Warrigal+M
2015-06-29  Sprocklem   +M
2015-06-29  Tiger   +M
2015-06-29  G.  +M
2015-06-29  Bede+M
2015-06-30  Gaelan  +M
2015-06-30  aranea  +A
2015-06-30  Alexis  +O (Proposal 7753)
2015-07-10  G.  +G (as Arbitor)
2015-07-12  aranea  +V ("Unchampion")
2015-07-26  Alexis  +A
2015-07-28  aranea  +B (CFJ 3449)
2015-08-03  ais523  +V ("Silver Quill 2015/07")
2015-08-10  Tiger   +B (CFJ 3451)
2015-08-11  omd +K (by Proposal 7784)
2015-08-11  ais523  +K (by Proposal 7784)
2015-08-11  Alexis  +K (by Proposal 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: campaign against campaigns

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Edward Murphy wrote:
> G. wrote:
> 
> > Actually, from what I can tell the issue is the accuracy/timeliness of the
> > recent
> > Metareport,
> 
> I've finished writing the record-event code, I'm just about to
> start testing it. Hopefully things will be caught up within the
> next few hours.

Sorry, didn't mean to imply it was that behind in the grand scheme of
things, just that it didn't happen to give me a clear picture to see as
assessor if I was missing anything.  Looking forward to the rollout...

DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Gaelan Steele]

This report is dated 2017. Don’t believe that changes anything, but the future 
Tailor should probably fix it.

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Telnaior  wrote:
> 
> TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> --
> 
> Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> 
> Festivity: 0
> 
> Players' ribbon holdings:
> 
>ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> Aris   RMUV P
> Corona
> Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> GaelanC MUV A
> MurphyCB UV A
> nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> omd   C  UVKA
> pokes
> Publius [1]   C MUV
> Quazie  O C MUVKA
> Telnaior   KA
> Trigon
> Josh T. [3]  UV A
> V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> 
> Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> 
>ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> ATMunn  A
> babelian U
> Bayushi MU
> BedeM W
> Chuck   M
> grokO  BMUV
> Ienpw IIIUV
> K W
> Ørjan   M V
> Roujo V
> Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> stadjer   W
> Tanner Swett  C M
> Tekneek M
> Tiger  BM
> tmanthe2nd   UV
> VeggiekeksC  UV
> Yally   M
> Zachary W [2]U
> 
> [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> [2] Zachary Watterson
> [3] 天火狐
> 
> The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> 
> Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
> Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
> Cyan Deputise for an office
> Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
> Indigo   Gain a degree
> Platinum Become the Speaker
> Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
> WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by someone
>who has never gifted a White Ribbon
> blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
> GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
> Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
>have count)
> 
> History of Ribbon holdings:
> 2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
> 2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
> 2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
> 2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
> 2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
> 2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
> 2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
> 2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
> 2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
> 2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
> 2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
> 2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
> 2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
> 2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
> 2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
> 2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
> 2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
> 2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
> 2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
> 2015-06-29  aranea  +M
> 2015-06-29  ais523  +M
> 2015-06-29  the Warrigal+M
> 2015-06-29  Sprocklem   +M
> 2015-06-29  Tiger   +M
> 2015-06-29  G.  +M
> 2015-06-29  Bede+M
> 2015-06-30  Gaelan  +M
> 2015-06-30  aranea  +A
> 2015-06-30  Alexis  +O (Proposal 7753)
> 2015-07-10  G.  +G (as Arbitor)
> 2015-07-12  aranea  +V ("Unchampion")
> 2015-07-26  Alexis  +A
> 2015-07-28  aranea  +B (CFJ 3449)
> 2015-08-03  ais523  +V ("Silver Quill 2015/07")
> 2015-08-10  Tiger   +B (CFJ 3451)
> 2015-08-11  omd +K (by Proposal 7784)
> 2015-08-11  ais523  +K (by Proposal 7784)
> 2015-08-11 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: campaign against campaigns

[Edward Murphy]

G. wrote:


Actually, from what I can tell the issue is the accuracy/timeliness of the 
recent
Metareport,


I've finished writing the record-event code, I'm just about to
start testing it. Hopefully things will be caught up within the
next few hours.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Cuddle Beam]

Proto:

---*---
Anti-Corruption:

With 3 Agoran Consent, a player can target an honor (a ribbon, a win, etc)
that has been granted to another player within the past year (365 Agoran
Days) as Corrupt, along pointing out where public trust in an Office has
been breached to accomplish gaining that allegedly Corrupt honor. An honor
which is deemed Corrupt is immediately removed from play.
---*---

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:48 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > > > > This change, mind you, would make G win.
> > > >
> > > > Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing
> black
> > > > ribbon that I've seen.
> > >
> > > Eh it's pretty darn obvious and dull if your tailor and in position
> > > to do it, only reason I didn't try at the time is I had all the
> > > others and filling in that blank would be pretty obvious.
> >
> > I didn't mean self-ratification (which is indeed fairly obvious).
> >
> > I meant repealing the ribbon by proposal.
>
> Oh yeah: that really wasn't what I was thinking at all :P
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Cuddle Beam]

I'd keep the ribbon and adjust the Black Ribbon rules, it's too much of an
incentive to abuse trust in an official position and I believe a better
direction would be for it to be rewarded for non-social mechanical artistry
(as non-social as it can be...).

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:56 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Honestly I doubt that the pink slip would be a punishment at all
> because support to replace you likely wouldn't exist.
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> > It's hard to deny that...
> >
> > On 2018-02-12 11:40, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > >
> > > Pink slip is most appropriate however.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> > > > I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't
> do it
> > > > again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that
> reports
> > > > aren't
> > > > protected I think it's possible to contract to ensure I couldn't)
> > > > (plus now that I've got it I don't need to be looking for ways to
> get it,
> > > > and
> > > > this was pretty benign by scam standards)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2018-02-12 11:32, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > > > As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> > > > > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> > > > > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
> made
> > > > > this
> > > > > particular scam expected/ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This is a Notice of Honour.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I award a karma to Corona for letting us know of her inactivity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I subtract a karma from myself for abusing the powers of my
> office as
> > > > > > Tailor.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I Point a Finger at myself for posting a report I knew to be
> false.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:48 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > > > This change, mind you, would make G win.
> > > 
> > > Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black
> > > ribbon that I've seen.
> > 
> > Eh it's pretty darn obvious and dull if your tailor and in position
> > to do it, only reason I didn't try at the time is I had all the
> > others and filling in that blank would be pretty obvious.
> 
> I didn't mean self-ratification (which is indeed fairly obvious).
> 
> I meant repealing the ribbon by proposal.

Oh yeah: that really wasn't what I was thinking at all :P

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Alex Smith]

On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:48 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > > This change, mind you, would make G win.
> > 
> > Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black
> > ribbon that I've seen.
> 
> Eh it's pretty darn obvious and dull if your tailor and in position
> to do it, only reason I didn't try at the time is I had all the
> others and filling in that blank would be pretty obvious.

I didn't mean self-ratification (which is indeed fairly obvious).

I meant repealing the ribbon by proposal.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

Honestly I doubt that the pink slip would be a punishment at all
because support to replace you likely wouldn't exist.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> It's hard to deny that...
> 
> On 2018-02-12 11:40, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > 
> > Pink slip is most appropriate however.
> > 
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> > > I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't do it
> > > again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that reports
> > > aren't
> > > protected I think it's possible to contract to ensure I couldn't)
> > > (plus now that I've got it I don't need to be looking for ways to get it,
> > > and
> > > this was pretty benign by scam standards)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 2018-02-12 11:32, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > > As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> > > > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> > > > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made
> > > > this
> > > > particular scam expected/ok.
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > This is a Notice of Honour.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I award a karma to Corona for letting us know of her inactivity.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I subtract a karma from myself for abusing the powers of my office as
> > > > > Tailor.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I Point a Finger at myself for posting a report I knew to be false.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

Yeah that was me when I had tailor and was pondering it.  Not 100% clear that 
works 
it's an uncertain CFJ to be sure.  (I published a hash of a denial at the time 
but then
went for that proposal that failed on a technicality instead).

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> It's worth noting someone (Murphy?) mentioned a couple of months ago that the
> real scam is that you don't have to deny the CoE publicly, which would allow
> it to work even if someone noticed.
> 
> On 2018-02-12 11:48, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > > > This change, mind you, would make G win.
> > > Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black
> > > ribbon that I've seen.
> > Eh it's pretty darn obvious and dull if your tailor and in position to do
> > it,  only
> > reason I didn't try at the time is I had all the others and filling in that
> > blank would
> > be pretty obvious.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Madeline]

It's worth noting someone (Murphy?) mentioned a couple of months ago 
that the real scam is that you don't have to deny the CoE publicly, 
which would allow it to work even if someone noticed.


On 2018-02-12 11:48, Kerim Aydin wrote:

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:

On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote:

This change, mind you, would make G win.

Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black
ribbon that I've seen.

Eh it's pretty darn obvious and dull if your tailor and in position to do it,  
only
reason I didn't try at the time is I had all the others and filling in that 
blank would
be pretty obvious.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Cuddle Beam]

(Because scams are a big part of nomic and it wouldn't be "complete"
without it)

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:49 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> Scams ARE the method.
>
> I find that ribbons are a bit like the Nomic Decathlon of Agora, and Black
> Ribbons are the scam challenge. It would feel a lot less Decathlon-like if
> we removed that challenge.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:44 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I meant to say give an earnable method (that I'm no closer
>> to that anyone) for black.  Disliked them for at least a year when
>> I was nowhere near winning.
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> > This change, mind you, would make G win.
>> >
>> > Gaelan
>> >
>> > > On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
>> > > (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
>> > >> On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:
>> > >>> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> >  As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
>> >  of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
>> >  when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
>> >  made
>> >  this particular scam expected/ok.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but
>> on
>> > >>> the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
>> > >>> are
>> > >>> involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
>> > >>> Perhaps
>> > >>> I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
>> > >>> punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
>> > >>> normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
>> > >>> willing to live with the resulting punishment).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
>> > >>> way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
>> > >>> that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
>> > >>> probably unlikely to happen here.
>> > >>
>> > >> Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
>> > >> never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
>> > >> would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
>> > >> cardable offence.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> ais523
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Cuddle Beam]

Scams ARE the method.

I find that ribbons are a bit like the Nomic Decathlon of Agora, and Black
Ribbons are the scam challenge. It would feel a lot less Decathlon-like if
we removed that challenge.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:44 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, I meant to say give an earnable method (that I'm no closer
> to that anyone) for black.  Disliked them for at least a year when
> I was nowhere near winning.
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > This change, mind you, would make G win.
> >
> > Gaelan
> >
> > > On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
> > > (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).
> > >
> > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:
> > >>> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >  As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> >  of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> >  when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
> >  made
> >  this particular scam expected/ok.
> > >>>
> > >>> I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
> > >>> the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
> > >>> are
> > >>> involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
> > >>> Perhaps
> > >>> I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
> > >>> punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
> > >>> normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
> > >>> willing to live with the resulting punishment).
> > >>>
> > >>> Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
> > >>> way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
> > >>> that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
> > >>> probably unlikely to happen here.
> > >>
> > >> Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
> > >> never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
> > >> would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
> > >> cardable offence.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> ais523
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > This change, mind you, would make G win.
> 
> Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black
> ribbon that I've seen.

Eh it's pretty darn obvious and dull if your tailor and in position to do it,  
only
reason I didn't try at the time is I had all the others and filling in that 
blank would
be pretty obvious.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

Sorry, I meant to say give an earnable method (that I'm no closer
to that anyone) for black.  Disliked them for at least a year when
I was nowhere near winning.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> This change, mind you, would make G win.
> 
> Gaelan
> 
> > On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
> > (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).
> > 
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> >> On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>  As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
>  of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
>  when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
>  made
>  this particular scam expected/ok.
> >>> 
> >>> I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
> >>> the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
> >>> are
> >>> involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
> >>> Perhaps
> >>> I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
> >>> punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
> >>> normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
> >>> willing to live with the resulting punishment).
> >>> 
> >>> Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
> >>> way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
> >>> that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
> >>> probably unlikely to happen here.
> >> 
> >> Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
> >> never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
> >> would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
> >> cardable offence.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> ais523
> >> 
> > 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Madeline]

If that were the case, I just wouldn't have come clean about it...


On 2018-02-12 11:42, Cuddle Beam wrote:

I think the challenge should be to get Black Ribbons without getting cards.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:



How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
(And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:

On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:

On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:

As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
made
this particular scam expected/ok.

I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
are
involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
Perhaps
I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
willing to live with the resulting punishment).

Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
probably unlikely to happen here.

Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
cardable offence.

--
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Alex Smith]

On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:41 -0800, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> This change, mind you, would make G win.

Well, it's one of the more ingenious ways to deal with a missing black
ribbon that I've seen.

It was intended to be mostly economic (bribe people to vote for your
proposal to give you one), but that's suffered from our continuing lack
of a functional economy. So maybe it'd be for the best if it were
removed.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Madeline]

It's hard to deny that...

On 2018-02-12 11:40, Kerim Aydin wrote:


Pink slip is most appropriate however.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:

I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't do it
again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that reports aren't
protected I think it's possible to contract to ensure I couldn't)
(plus now that I've got it I don't need to be looking for ways to get it, and
this was pretty benign by scam standards)


On 2018-02-12 11:32, Kerim Aydin wrote:

As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made this
particular scam expected/ok.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote:


This is a Notice of Honour.

I award a karma to Corona for letting us know of her inactivity.

I subtract a karma from myself for abusing the powers of my office as
Tailor.

I Point a Finger at myself for posting a report I knew to be false.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Cuddle Beam]

I think the challenge should be to get Black Ribbons without getting cards.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
> (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > > As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> > > > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> > > > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
> > > > made
> > > > this particular scam expected/ok.
> > >
> > > I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
> > > the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
> > > are
> > > involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
> > > Perhaps
> > > I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
> > > punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
> > > normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
> > > willing to live with the resulting punishment).
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
> > > way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
> > > that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
> > > probably unlikely to happen here.
> >
> > Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
> > never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
> > would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
> > cardable offence.
> >
> > --
> > ais523
> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Gaelan Steele]

This change, mind you, would make G win.

Gaelan

> On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
> (And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).
> 
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
>> On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
 As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
 of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
 when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
 made
 this particular scam expected/ok.
>>> 
>>> I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
>>> the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
>>> are
>>> involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
>>> Perhaps
>>> I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
>>> punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
>>> normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
>>> willing to live with the resulting punishment).
>>> 
>>> Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
>>> way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
>>> that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
>>> probably unlikely to happen here.
>> 
>> Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
>> never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
>> would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
>> cardable offence.
>> 
>> -- 
>> ais523
>> 
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

Pink slip is most appropriate however.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Madeline wrote:
> I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't do it
> again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that reports aren't
> protected I think it's possible to contract to ensure I couldn't)
> (plus now that I've got it I don't need to be looking for ways to get it, and
> this was pretty benign by scam standards)
> 
> 
> On 2018-02-12 11:32, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > 
> > As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made this
> > particular scam expected/ok.
> > 
> > On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote:
> > 
> > > This is a Notice of Honour.
> > > 
> > > I award a karma to Corona for letting us know of her inactivity.
> > > 
> > > I subtract a karma from myself for abusing the powers of my office as
> > > Tailor.
> > > 
> > > I Point a Finger at myself for posting a report I knew to be false.
> > > 
> > > 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

How about we get rid of black ribbons altogether I loathe them
(And am certainly not willing to make a rules exception for them).

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > > As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> > > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> > > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
> > > made
> > > this particular scam expected/ok.
> > 
> > I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
> > the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
> > are
> > involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
> > Perhaps
> > I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
> > punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
> > normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
> > willing to live with the resulting punishment).
> > 
> > Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
> > way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
> > that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
> > probably unlikely to happen here.
> 
> Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
> never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
> would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
> cardable offence.
> 
> -- 
> ais523
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Alex Smith]

On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 00:35 +, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> > of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> > when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons
> > made
> > this particular scam expected/ok.
> 
> I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
> the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons
> are
> involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched).
> Perhaps
> I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
> punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
> normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
> willing to live with the resulting punishment).
> 
> Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
> way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
> that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
> probably unlikely to happen here.

Hmm, proto: actions whose only purpose is to gain a Black Ribbon are
never illegal (although they could be impossible); however, if they
would otherwise violate the rules, they are (despite being legal) a
cardable offence.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Madeline]

I already did that D:

On 2018-02-12 11:35, Gaelan Steele wrote:

I point my finger at Telnaior for violation of rule 2143/26, third to last 
paragraph. If we don’t want to punish for this, we should codify it in the 
rules.

Gaelan


On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:



As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made this
particular scam expected/ok.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote:


This is a Notice of Honour.

I award a karma to Corona for letting us know of her inactivity.

I subtract a karma from myself for abusing the powers of my office as Tailor.

I Point a Finger at myself for posting a report I knew to be false.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Madeline]

I would request "not a pink slip please" on the grounds that I won't do 
it again (not that I have a reason to at this point, and now that 
reports aren't protected I think it's possible to contract to ensure I 
couldn't)
(plus now that I've got it I don't need to be looking for ways to get 
it, and this was pretty benign by scam standards)



On 2018-02-12 11:32, Kerim Aydin wrote:


As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made this
particular scam expected/ok.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote:


This is a Notice of Honour.

I award a karma to Corona for letting us know of her inactivity.

I subtract a karma from myself for abusing the powers of my office as Tailor.

I Point a Finger at myself for posting a report I knew to be false.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Alex Smith]

On Sun, 2018-02-11 at 16:32 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
> of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
> when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made
> this particular scam expected/ok.

I look down on intentionally breaking rules as part of a scam, but on
the other hand, I'm more willing to forgive that when Black Ribbons are
involved (without other parts of the gamestate being touched). Perhaps
I'm OK with this if the Tailor is OK with living with the typical
punishment for intentionally falsifying the report (even though I
normally believe that you shouldn't break the rules even if you're
willing to live with the resulting punishment).

Incidentally, I also believe it's acceptable to attempt to scam your
way out of a punishment after an accidental rules breach, because
that's a different issue from the rules breach itself. But that's
probably unlikely to happen here.

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Confession

[Kerim Aydin]

As referee I'm conflicted.  On one hand this is blatant use
of office for personal gain, on the other hand I convinced myself
when I was Tailor that the nature/ expectation of Black ribbons made this
particular scam expected/ok.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Telnaior wrote:

> This is a Notice of Honour.
> 
> I award a karma to Corona for letting us know of her inactivity.
> 
> I subtract a karma from myself for abusing the powers of my office as Tailor.
> 
> I Point a Finger at myself for posting a report I knew to be false.
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Cuddle Beam]

Oh shit, true. Well, OK.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:17 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It was in eir previous report.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
> >  CoE:
> >
> > 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
> >
> > You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted for a
> > week, as per R2201.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:
> >
> > > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > > --
> > >
> > > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> > >
> > > Festivity: 0
> > >
> > > Players' ribbon holdings:
> > >
> > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > > Aris   RMUV P
> > > Corona
> > > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > > GaelanC MUV A
> > > MurphyCB UV A
> > > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > > omd   C  UVKA
> > > pokes
> > > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > > Telnaior   KA
> > > Trigon
> > > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> > >
> > > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> > >
> > >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > > ATMunn  A
> > > babelian U
> > > Bayushi MU
> > > BedeM W
> > > Chuck   M
> > > grokO  BMUV
> > > Ienpw IIIUV
> > > K W
> > > Ørjan   M V
> > > Roujo V
> > > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > > stadjer   W
> > > Tanner Swett  C M
> > > Tekneek M
> > > Tiger  BM
> > > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > > Yally   M
> > > Zachary W [2]U
> > >
> > > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > > [3] 天火狐
> > >
> > > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> > > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> > > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> > > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> > >
> > > Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> > > Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
> > > Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> > > GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
> > > Cyan Deputise for an office
> > > Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> > > Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> > > Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> > > Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
> > > Indigo   Gain a degree
> > > Platinum Become the Speaker
> > > Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
> > > WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by someone
> > >who has never gifted a White Ribbon
> > > blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
> > > GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
> > > Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
> > >have count)
> > >
> > > History of Ribbon holdings:
> > > 2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
> > > 2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
> > > 2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
> > > 2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
> > > 2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
> > > 2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
> > > 2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
> > > 2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
> > > 2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
> > > 2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
> > > 2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
> > > 2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
> > > 2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
> > > 2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
> > > 2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
> > > 2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
> > > 2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
> > > 2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
> > > 2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
> > > 2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
> > > 2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
> > > 2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
> > > 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Madeline]

Check the last report.

On 2018-02-12 11:15, Cuddle Beam wrote:

  CoE:

2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)

You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted for a
week, as per R2201.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:


TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
--

Date of this report: 2017-02-12
Date of last report: 2017-01-31

Festivity: 0

Players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
Aris   RMUV P
Corona
Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
GaelanC MUV A
MurphyCB UV A
nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
o  ROG BMUV   W AT
omd   C  UVKA
pokes
Publius [1]   C MUV
Quazie  O C MUVKA
Telnaior   KA
Trigon
Josh T. [3]  UV A
V.J. Rada   MU   LW

Non-players' ribbon holdings:

ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
ATMunn  A
babelian U
Bayushi MU
BedeM W
Chuck   M
grokO  BMUV
Ienpw IIIUV
K W
Ørjan   M V
Roujo V
Sprocklem   MUV   W A
stadjer   W
Tanner Swett  C M
Tekneek M
Tiger  BM
tmanthe2nd   UV
VeggiekeksC  UV
Yally   M
Zachary W [2]U

[1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[2] Zachary Watterson
[3] 天火狐

The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
work differently; see rule 2438 for details.

Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
Cyan Deputise for an office
Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
Indigo   Gain a degree
Platinum Become the Speaker
Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by someone
who has never gifted a White Ribbon
blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
have count)

History of Ribbon holdings:
2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
2015-06-29  aranea  +M
2015-06-29  ais523  +M
2015-06-29  the Warrigal+M
2015-06-29  Sprocklem   +M
2015-06-29  Tiger   +M
2015-06-29  G.  +M
2015-06-29  Bede+M
2015-06-30  Gaelan  +M
2015-06-30  aranea  +A
2015-06-30  Alexis  +O (Proposal 7753)
2015-07-10  G.  +G (as Arbitor)
2015-07-12  aranea  +V ("Unchampion")
2015-07-26  Alexis  +A
2015-07-28  aranea  +B (CFJ 3449)
2015-08-03  ais523  +V ("Silver Quill 2015/07")
2015-08-10  Tiger   +B (CFJ 3451)
2015-08-11  omd +K (by Proposal 7784)
2015-08-11  ais523  +K (by Proposal 7784)
2015-08-11  Alexis  +K (by Proposal 7784)
2015-08-11  Alexis  +R (Proposal 7772)
2015-08-11  Alexis  +P
2015-08-17  omd 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Bar

[Aris Merchant]

It was in eir previous report.

-Aris

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 4:15 PM Cuddle Beam  wrote:

>  CoE:
>
> 2018-02-12  Telnaior+K (self-ratification)
>
> You haven't earned it YET, self-ratification is after its undoubted for a
> week, as per R2201.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 1:06 AM, Telnaior  wrote:
>
> > TAILOR'S RIBBON REPORT
> > --
> >
> > Date of this report: 2017-02-12
> > Date of last report: 2017-01-31
> >
> > Festivity: 0
> >
> > Players' ribbon holdings:
> >
> >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > Alexis ROGCBMUVIP WKA
> > Aris   RMUV P
> > Corona
> > Cuddle Beam   C M V   W
> > G. ROGCBMUVIPLW AT
> > GaelanC MUV A
> > MurphyCB UV A
> > nichdel OGCBMUV P W AT
> > o  ROG BMUV   W AT
> > omd   C  UVKA
> > pokes
> > Publius [1]   C MUV
> > Quazie  O C MUVKA
> > Telnaior   KA
> > Trigon
> > Josh T. [3]  UV A
> > V.J. Rada   MU   LW
> >
> > Non-players' ribbon holdings:
> >
> >ROGCBMUVIPLWKAT
> > ais523 ROGCBMUV PLWKAT
> > aranea ROGCBM V PLW A
> > ATMunn  A
> > babelian U
> > Bayushi MU
> > BedeM W
> > Chuck   M
> > grokO  BMUV
> > Ienpw IIIUV
> > K W
> > Ørjan   M V
> > Roujo V
> > Sprocklem   MUV   W A
> > stadjer   W
> > Tanner Swett  C M
> > Tekneek M
> > Tiger  BM
> > tmanthe2nd   UV
> > VeggiekeksC  UV
> > Yally   M
> > Zachary W [2]U
> >
> > [1] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > [2] Zachary Watterson
> > [3] 天火狐
> >
> > The rules for Ribbons are set out in rule 2438. A quick guide to how
> > most Ribbons work: various events cause you to "earn" a Ribbon; you
> > then "qualify for" that Ribbon for 7 days. While you qualify for a
> > Ribbon (and do not already own that Ribbon, and have not owned it
> > recently), any player can "award" you that Ribbon. A few Ribbons
> > work differently; see rule 2438 for details.
> >
> > Approximate summary of how each type of Ribbon can be gained:
> > Red  Author an adopted proposal that amends a Power-3+ rule
> > Orange   Author a proposal that is unanimously adopted
> > GreenHold an elected office for 30 days with no late duties
> > Cyan Deputise for an office
> > Blue Judge a CFJ without violating time limits to do so
> > Magenta  Acknowldge Agora's Birthday
> > Ultraviolet  Become Champion (typically by winning the game)
> > Violet   Gain a Patent Title (except Champion, degrees)
> > Indigo   Gain a degree
> > Platinum Become the Speaker
> > Lime Coauthor three adopted proposals within 7 days
> > WhiteNever have had a White Ribbon, or be gifted one by someone
> >who has never gifted a White Ribbon
> > blacKAwardable only by proposal or scam
> > GrAy Awarded monthly at the Tailor's discretion
> > Transparent  Qualify for 5 Ribbons in the same week (ones you already
> >have count)
> >
> > History of Ribbon holdings:
> > 2014-11-04  aranea  +W (new to Ribbons)
> > 2014-11-04  aranea  +C (deputising for Tailor)
> > 2014-11-06  Sprocklem   +W (new to Ribbons)
> > 2014-11-09  omd +C (deputising for King Azaz)
> > 2014-11-14  Alexis  +C (deputising for Herald)
> > 2015-01-07  G.  +C (deputising for Referee)
> > 2015-04-17  stadjer +W (new to Ribbons)
> > 2015-05-01  aranea  +R (Proposal 7736)
> > 2015-05-01  aranea  +O (Proposal 7735)
> > 2015-05-01  aranea  +L (Proposal 7735-37)
> > 2015-05-01  G.  +R (Proposal 7734)
> > 2015-05-01  G.  +O (Proposal 7738)
> > 2015-05-01  G.  +L (Proposal 7734,38,39)
> > 2015-05-01  G.  +P (appointed Speaker)
> > 2015-05-12  ais523  +O (Proposal 7742)
> > 2015-05-12  Alexis  +P (appointed Speaker)
> > 2015-05-13  Alexis  +G (as Tailor)
> > 2015-05-22  G.  +B (CFJ 3448)
> > 2015-05-23  Alexis  +B (CFJ 3447)
> > 2015-05-24  G.  +W (gifted by aranea)
> > 2015-06-09  ais523  +G (as Prime Minister)
> > 2015-06-29  Alexis  +M
> > 2015-06-29  aranea  +M
> > 2015-06-29  ais523  +M
> > 2015-06-29  the Warrigal+M
> > 2015-06-29  Sprocklem   +M
> > 2015-06-29  Tiger   +M
> > 2015-06-29  G.  +M
> > 2015-06-29  Bede+M
> > 2015-06-30  Gaelan  +M
> > 2015-06-30  aranea  +A
> > 2015-06-30  Alexis  +O (Proposal 7753)
> > 

DIS: Re: BUS: PAoaM v7: "Screw you, Aris" edition

[Cuddle Beam]

We'd probably need some kind of win condition with resources I believe,
otherwise they're just cool numbers dancing around without much apparent
"game" purpose.

So, PROTO:

*
If nobody else has done so current the current Agoran Month, a player may
Do a Parade by announcement and destroying for this purpose (and no other)
an amount of assets which total 100 in having Parade Merit (and they CAN
perform this destruction).

Each of the following are considered to have 1 Parade Merit: ore, stones,
lumber, apples, cotton,

Each of the following are considered to have 2 Parade Merit:  coins, paper,
fabric, corn

If the player who performed Do a Parade then has the most amount of Parade
Merit, they have won the game

Once a player has won in this fashion, no other player can until 30 Agoran
Days have passed.
*

Alternatively and way more simpler:

*
By destroying 10 of each resource for the purpose of this rule and no
other, a player achieves victory

Once a player has won in this fashion, no other player can until 30 Agoran
Days have passed.
*


On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Reuben Staley 
wrote:

> THE TITLE IS A JOKE
> THE TITLE IS A JOKE
> THE TITLE IS A JOKE
>
> I put that three times so no one can get mad at me.
>
> I submit and shiny-pend the following proposal:
>
> Title: Putting Agora on a Map v7
> Author: Trigon
> Co-Authors: Aris, ATMunn, G., o, VJ Rada
> AI: 2.6
>
> [ PART I: Removing and Changing Stuff ]
>
> Amend rule 2445 "How to Pend a Proposal" by replacing the second
> paragraph and subsequent list with:
>
>   Any player CAN flip a specified proposal's imminence to "pending"
>   by announcement by destroying 1 paper.
>
> Amend rule 991 "Calls for Judgement" by replacing the first paragraph
> and subsequent list with:
>
>   Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement (CFJ,
>   syn. Judicial Case), specifying a statement to be inquired into by
>   announcement.
>
> Re-enact rule 2599 "Welcome Packages" by replacing the second paragraph
> with:
>
>   If a player has not received a Welcome Package since e most
>   recently registered, any player CAN cause em to receive one by
>   announcement.
>
>   When a player receives a Welcome Package, Agora creates the
>   following assets in eir possession:
>
>   1. 10 coins
>   2. 5 lumber
>   3. 5 stones
>   4. 10 apples
>   5. 3 papers
>
> Make all players eligible to recieve Welcome Packages.
>
> Create a new rule "Paydays" (Power=2) and amend it so that its text
> reads, in full:
>
>   Whenever a Payday occurs, the following events happen in order:
>
>   1. The following assets are created in the possession of each
>  player:
>  A. 10 coins
>  B. 5 apples
>  C. 2 papers
>
>   2. For each office, if a single player held that office for 16 or
>  more days in the previous month and e was not issued any Cards
>  other than Green for eir conduct in that office during that
>  time, the following assets are created in the possession of
>  that player:
>  A. 5 coins
>  B. 1 corn
>
>   The occurrence of Paydays is secured.  At the beginning of each
>   month, a Payday occurs.
>
> [PART II: Making Land]
>
> Re-enact rule 1993/1 (Power=2) "The Land of Arcadia" with the text:
>
>   Arcadia is a land entirely defined by the Arcadian Map (the Map).
>   The Map is the term for the set of all Land Units.
>
>   The Map divides Arcadia into a finite, discrete number of Units of
>   Land, or simply Land. Each Unit of Land is an indestructible asset
>   specified by an ordered pair of integers known as its Latitude and
>   Longitude.
>
>   Every unique ordered pair of integers within the limits defined in
>   the Rules for Latitude and Longitude signifies an existent Unit of
>   Land. No other Units of Land exist. Units of Land CAN only be
>   created or destroyed by changing the limits of Latitude and
>   Longitude defined in the Rules.
>
>   All values for Latitude and Longitude MUST lie between -6 and +6,
>   inclusive.
>
>   The Total Land Area of Arcadia is the number of existent Units of
>   Land defined by permissible Latitude and Longitude pairs.
>
> Re-enact rule 1994/0 (Power=2) "Ownership of Land" with the text:
>
>   Any existent Land for which ownership has not been explicitly
>   changed belongs to Agora.
>
>   Land belonging to Agora is called Public Land. Land belonging to
>   a contract is called Communal Land. Land belonging to any other
>   entity is called Private Land. Together, Communal Land and Private
>   Land are called Proprietary Land.
>
> Re-enact rule 1995/0 (Power=2) "Land Types" with the text:
>
>   Each Unit of Land has a Land Type switch, tracked by the
>   Cartographor, whose values are "Black", "White", and 

DIS: Temporary HLR

[Gaelan Steele]

I’ve ported the HLR generation code to Haskell and submitted it as a PR to the 
AgoraNomic/Ruleset repository. In the time being, I’ve generated a copy of the 
HLR from the latest ruleset files; it is available at 
https://gaelan.keybase.pub/hlr.html .

Gaelan

DIS: Re: BUS: campaign against campaigns

[Kerim Aydin]

It says they're "ongoing" weeks ago.

I'll be resigning assessor rather than resolve these - thx.

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 14:28, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I intend to ratify the following {}-delimited document without objection:
> > {On 00:00:01 11-Feb-2018 there were no ongoing (syn. "in progress")
> > elections.}
> >
> > Truth statement:  I think some elections started in Jan before I was
> > Assessor,
> >
> 
> I object; the ADoP's report is clear on the state of elections.
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] required deregistrations intents

[Kerim Aydin]

Note I'm required to start a zombie auction for omd soon.
(Overdue actually)

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> I support the intents for o and Quazie, but object to the intent for omd.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 at 11:14, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I intend to deregister o with 3 Agoran Consent.
> >
> > I intend to deregister Quazie with 3 Agoran Consent.
> >
> > I intend to deregister omd with 3 Agoran Consent.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8008-8009

[Reuben Staley]

*cries because I spent literally hours today making the automation because
I thought it was going to be enacted tomorrow without any problems.*

On Feb 11, 2018 01:46, "Aris Merchant" 
wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 7:02 PM Edward Murphy  wrote:
>
> > > 8008*  CB [1]   1.0  Picto-Nomic CB [1]  3 sh.
> > http://textbook.stpauls.br/International_Economics/images/pic061.jpg
> > > 8009*  Trigon, [2]  2.6  PAoaM v6 [3]Trigon  3 sh.
> > PRESENT
> >
> > I retract any previous vote on 8009, and vote AGAINST. It says "Replace
> all occurances of "shiny" and "shinies" in the ruleset in the
> order they appear with "coin" and "coins" respectively", but does not
> provide any definition for "the order they appear". Acending numericial
> order would be clear, but I'm not sure what this refers to. The SLR? The
> FLR? The one from last week, or the first one ever published? It's
> ambiguous. In fact, we were relying on that to fix a use of one of those in
> the proposal itself, which 1. it can't now and 2. won't be in any published
> ruleset by the time this is resolved. Trigon, I'm sorry I didn't point this
> out sooner.
>
> -Aris
>