On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 Gene Heskett wrote:
If separate configs, which I can't personally find an overpowering reason
for, you would need, most likely, two separate tape libraries each
containing its own drive(s), or 2 separate big hard drives.
Actually two separate configs do not require
Thanks a brazillion all!
There's a lot of good info here that I'll need to take some time to digest.
Amanda sure is a big sandwich.
While I'm processing it all, might someone point me to the syntax of what
might be called a 'compound DLE' ?
Instead of something like:
code
localhost /bin
* Andrius D. Ilgunas andr...@ilgunas.net [20140113 11:19]:
Thanks a brazillion all!
There's a lot of good info here that I'll need to take some time to digest.
Amanda sure is a big sandwich.
While I'm processing it all, might someone point me to the syntax of what
might be called a
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 08:18:22AM -0800, Andrius D. Ilgunas wrote:
Thanks a brazillion all!
There's a lot of good info here that I'll need to take some time to digest.
Amanda sure is a big sandwich.
While I'm processing it all, might someone point me to the syntax of what
might be
On Monday 13 January 2014 12:56:52 Andrius D. Ilgunas did opine:
Thanks a brazillion all!
There's a lot of good info here that I'll need to take some time to
digest. Amanda sure is a big sandwich.
A good way to put it in the vernacular, yes it is.
While I'm processing it all, might
On Sunday 12 January 2014 03:27:48 Andrius D. Ilgunas did opine:
Excellent discussion Jon! Thank you so very much for your thoughts!!
I was aware of Amanda's philosophy of I want one full dump every
dumpcycle which is n days and then to let Amanda find the optimal
combination of
--
Andrius
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Gerrit A. Smit gerritas...@xs4all.nlwrote:
Andrius D. Ilgunas wrote on 12-01-14 21:42:
I'm not quite clear on your response. Creating a separate storage
volume isn't a problem since I'm using vtapes. Do you mean that it would
be easier to
On Sunday 12 January 2014 15:56:32 Andrius D. Ilgunas did opine:
--
Andrius
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
so when 500Gig and up hard drives became available, I converted to
vtapes
on a hard drive, which has turned out to be, dollar for
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 12:47:56PM -0800, Andrius D. Ilgunas wrote:
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Jon LaBadie j...@jgcomp.com wrote:
Again, you are thinking there will be a weekly full dump. Unless that
is a separate config that does only full dumps, and you run it once
each
Hey All!
We're setting up amanda on our servers, and the primary backup is going to
be on a dedicated disk/virtual tapes. One of the offsite locations is
going to be a bucket on Amazon's S3.
Now I see that amanda has the capability of writing to multiple volumes in
parallel, but I'm wondering
Thanks a brazillion Charles!!
I'll probably setup my systems likewise, but I wonder if anyone has any
other opinions on this.
--
Andrius
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Charles Curley
charlescur...@charlescurley.com wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 09:44:07 -0800
Andrius D. Ilgunas
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 10:29:27AM -0800, Andrius D. Ilgunas wrote:
Thanks a brazillion Charles!!
I'll probably setup my systems likewise, but I wonder if anyone has any
other opinions on this.
--
Andrius
What kind of write speed to S3 can you expect?
Can your backups to holding disk
Hey Jon,
I would expect them to be network-type speeds on a T1 even as the buckets
are mounted via FUSE. I don't have numbers, but I can say that a copy of
one of my databases to /mnt/s3/bucket1 of around 250MB will timeout
approximately 30% of the time. But I'm sure that copying over
Hmm...Jon's question got me to a'thnkin' about something that I haven't yet
read about.
So let's say the dump cycle is 30 days and I want to keep a copy of the
previous month's dump before the tape1 gets overwritten so that I can keep
a record of the state of the database from two months ago.
If
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 12:31:52PM -0800, Andrius D. Ilgunas wrote:
Hmm...Jon's question got me to a'thnkin' about something that I haven't yet
read about.
So let's say the dump cycle is 30 days and I want to keep a copy of the
previous month's dump before the tape1 gets overwritten so that
Excellent discussion Jon! Thank you so very much for your thoughts!!
I was aware of Amanda's philosophy of I want one full dump every dumpcycle
which is n days and then to let Amanda find the optimal combination of
full/incrementals, and that's one of the reasons that Amanda was so
attractive,
starting increment 11. Renew full backup by including oldest
incremental backup.
Thanks in advance for any help or pointers.
You should take a look at this:
http://wiki.zmanda.com/index.php/FAQ:How_are_backup_levels_defined_and_how_does_Amanda_use_them%3F
before launching off into backup
Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
On 14/08/09, Frank Smith (fsm...@hoovers.com) wrote:
Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Amanda will do the compression for you. You define it in the dumptype in
amanda.conf. If you have a holding disk, then it will compress the data
as it goes onto the holding disk.
I wouldn't put the holding disks in raid.
Hu hu... Interesting... I have a 4 disks RAID-0 holding disk, and it isn't
fast... I always wondered if I should use seperated (non-RAID) drives...
Cyrille Bollu
Responsable systèmes
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On Monday 17 August 2009, Cyrille Bollu wrote:
I wouldn't put the holding disks in raid.
Hu hu... Interesting... I have a 4 disks RAID-0 holding disk, and it isn't
fast... I always wondered if I should use seperated (non-RAID) drives...
Its been my observation that software raids are slower.
On Monday 17 August 2009, Cyrille Bollu wrote:
I wouldn't put the holding disks in raid.
Hu hu... Interesting... I have a 4 disks RAID-0 holding disk, and it
isn't fast... I always wondered if I should use seperated (non-RAID)
drives...
To drive an LTO-4 your holding disk needs to read
Cyrille Bollu wrote:
Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
I wouldn't put the holding disks in raid.
Hu hu... Interesting... I have a 4 disks RAID-0 holding disk, and it
isn't fast... I always wondered if I should use seperated (non-RAID)
drives...
Here is an extremely interesting article that everyone
On 17/08/09, Chris Hoogendyk (hoogen...@bio.umass.edu) wrote:
Cyrille Bollu wrote:
Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
I wouldn't put the holding disks in raid.
snip
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=484.
While this guy is looking at things like database servers and
exchange, we ought to be able to
On 14/08/09, Frank Smith (fsm...@hoovers.com) wrote:
Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Amanda will do the compression for you. You define it in the dumptype in
amanda.conf. If you have a holding disk, then it will compress the data
as it goes onto the holding disk. If you don't have a holding disk,
Hi Chris
On 13/08/09, Chris Hoogendyk (hoogen...@bio.umass.edu) wrote:
... the solution is akin to the Japanese monks caring for Bonzai
I liked this idea about tape archives -- constant pruning and
maintenance. Difficult to sell though.
As for your specific questions:
You should be
Hi,
Here's my (very) small personnal experience:
A few years ago, when I tried it, I couldn't enable server-side software
compression while bypassing the holding disk with my IBM ULTIUM LTO-3
drive: Tape speed was sinking to about 5MB/s.
My backup server was a Dell PowerEdge 2850 with 4 Intel
Cyrille Bollu wrote:
Here's my (very) small personnal experience:
A few years ago, when I tried it, I couldn't enable server-side
software compression while bypassing the holding disk with my IBM
ULTIUM LTO-3 drive: Tape speed was sinking to about 5MB/s.
My backup server was a Dell
Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
Hi Chris
On 13/08/09, Chris Hoogendyk (hoogen...@bio.umass.edu) wrote:
snip
Typically, we set up Amanda with holding disk space.
snip
If all the storage is locally attached (actually, AoE drives storage
units connected over Ethernet), I am hoping to avoid
Chris Hoogendyk wrote:
Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
Hi Chris
On 13/08/09, Chris Hoogendyk (hoogen...@bio.umass.edu) wrote:
snip
Typically, we set up Amanda with holding disk space.
snip
If all the storage is locally attached (actually, AoE drives storage
units connected over
Apologies that this email doesn't have the correct threading ID. I
posted through Backup Central originally and I can't get hold of the
original mails on the Amanda users list since subscribing properly to it
-- the advertised ftp archives don't seem to exist any more.
Many thanks to Chris,
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:08:03 -0400
Jon LaBadie j...@jgcomp.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:17:17PM -0400, rorycl wrote:
So maybe you should provide a complete OS distribution, including the
backup software. Like a customized version of one of the live CD
releases of Linux. But
On 13/08/09, Charles Curley (charlescur...@charlescurley.com) wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:08:03 -0400
Jon LaBadie j...@jgcomp.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:17:17PM -0400, rorycl wrote:
So maybe you should provide a complete OS distribution, including the
backup software. Like a
Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
On 13/08/09, Charles Curley (charlescur...@charlescurley.com) wrote:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:08:03 -0400
Jon LaBadie j...@jgcomp.com wrote:
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:17:17PM -0400, rorycl wrote:
So maybe you should provide a complete OS distribution,
I'm going to cross-post this text on the Amanda and Bacula lists.
Apologies in advance if you see this twice.
Our company is about to provide centralised backups for several pools of
backup data of between 1 and 15TB in size. Each pool changes daily but
backups to tape will only occur once a
rorycl wrote:
An important aspect of the system is that the tapes should be readable
for 12 years, by other parties if necessary. From this point of view we
like the idea of providing a CD with each tape set of the software
needed to extract the contents, together with a listing of the
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:17:17 -0400
rorycl amanda-fo...@backupcentral.com wrote:
An important aspect of the system is that the tapes should be readable
for 12 years, by other parties if necessary. From this point of view
we like the idea of providing a CD with each tape set of the software
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:17:17PM -0400, rorycl wrote:
I'm going to cross-post this text on the Amanda and Bacula lists.
Apologies in advance if you see this twice.
Our company is about to provide centralised backups for several pools of
backup data of between 1 and 15TB in size. Each
I'm setting up Amanda for the first time and would like to configure
it for our existing backup strategy. We want to do complete backups
nightly during weekdays, i.e. Monday-Friday night. Once a week, let's
say Wednesday, we want to take one tape to an off-site vault and bring
another tape back
On Mon, Oct 01, 2007 at 08:50:59AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm setting up Amanda for the first time and would like to configure
it for our existing backup strategy. We want to do complete backups
nightly during weekdays, i.e. Monday-Friday night. Once a week, let's
say Wednesday, we
Hi,
I'm quite new to amanda but as far as I have read about it and after
some first tries, it seems that it could do the job for our needs, but I
would need some advice for a backup strategy and for how to setup up amanda
I will describe you our current situation and our needs as well as my
Jon LaBadie wrote:
Haven't seen anyone on the list mention using it, but Iomega
introduced some interesting hardware last year. I think they
call it Rev, basically a small, removalble hard drive
cartridge. Think high capacity, tiny zip drive as it has
35GB native capacity and a builtin
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 03:03:59PM +0300, Toomas Aas wrote:
Jon LaBadie wrote:
Haven't seen anyone on the list mention using it, but Iomega
introduced some interesting hardware last year. I think they
call it Rev, basically a small, removalble hard drive
cartridge. Think high capacity,
On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 03:03:59PM +0300, Toomas Aas wrote:
Jon LaBadie wrote:
Haven't seen anyone on the list mention using it, but Iomega
introduced some interesting hardware last year. I think they
call it Rev, basically a small, removalble hard drive
cartridge. Think high capacity,
FM wrote:
Hello everybody,
My ibm 35810 died and I will cost use 2 CA$ to replace it. So I
thing it's time to switch for HD backups.
Does some of you using HD backup ? if so what is you stategy ?
How you take backup off-site ?
What kind of hardware are you using ? SCSI or SATA RAID
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 09:40:59AM -0400, FM wrote:
Hello everybody,
My ibm 35810 died and I will cost use 2 CA$ to replace it. So I
thing it's time to switch for HD backups.
Does some of you using HD backup ? if so what is you stategy ?
How you take backup off-site ?
What kind of
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 at 12:13pm, Jon LaBadie wrote
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 09:40:59AM -0400, FM wrote:
Hello everybody,
My ibm 35810 died and I will cost use 2 CA$ to replace it. So I
thing it's time to switch for HD backups.
Does some of you using HD backup ? if so what is you
Joshua Baker-LePain [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/2005 01:02:33 PM:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 at 12:13pm, Jon LaBadie wrote
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 09:40:59AM -0400, FM wrote:
Hello everybody,
My ibm 35810 died and I will cost use 2 CA$ to replace it. So I
thing it's time to switch for
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 01:02:33PM -0400, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 at 12:13pm, Jon LaBadie wrote
On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 09:40:59AM -0400, FM wrote:
Hello everybody,
My ibm 35810 died and I will cost use 2 CA$ to replace it. So I
thing it's time to
Hello everybody,
My ibm 35810 died and I will cost use 2 CA$ to replace it. So I
thing it's time to switch for HD backups.
Does some of you using HD backup ? if so what is you stategy ?
How you take backup off-site ?
What kind of hardware are you using ? SCSI or SATA RAID ?
Thanks !
FM wrote:
Does some of you using HD backup ? if so what is you stategy ?
How you take backup off-site ?
At one site, I'm using two external FireWire HDDs (Maxtor 5000DV), 5
'virtual tapes' on each. One of the HDDs is off-site, every Monday it's
brought in and the HDD that was used during
On Friday 12 August 2005 09:40, FM wrote:
Hello everybody,
My ibm 35810 died and I will cost use 2 CA$ to replace it. So I
thing it's time to switch for HD backups.
Does some of you using HD backup ? if so what is you stategy ?
How you take backup off-site ?
What kind of hardware are you
We use a nice GUI program to do that, but the product is outdated and
buying a new licence is too costly. Amanda seems good, and we use more
and more open source software here so we decided to try it out.
Our current method of backup is the traditional incrementals Mon, Tue,
Wed, Thu, and Friday
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 03:45:57PM -0400, Guy Dallaire enlightened us:
We use a nice GUI program to do that, but the product is outdated and
buying a new licence is too costly. Amanda seems good, and we use more
and more open source software here so we decided to try it out.
Our current
How can I manage to do full backups of every server each FRIDAY ? I
know I should create a new config specifying always full and an
infinite tapecylce and run it on fridays, and run the regular
schedule on the other days.
Instead of having cron run amdump directly, you could have it run a
script
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 at 5:24pm, Vicki Stanfield wrote
I think what I am really talking about is the dumptype. I have the ones
I listed defined. I think I might be confusing them with priority. I
suppose the dumptype could only mean level of compression. But then I
need more information
I am using amanda to back up my servers. I have the following situation:
There is about 42G of data to be backed up on one particular machine.
This data is mostly static data in a directory structure which creates a
new directory whenever 1000 files are in the current directory and
numbers the
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 03:47:51PM -0500, Vicki Stanfield wrote:
P.S. I think I asked before but didn't get an answer. Is there a source
for an explanation of the different priorities of backups. I have the
following defined from an inherited amanda.conf file:
always-full (obvious)
Jon LaBadie wrote:
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 03:47:51PM -0500, Vicki Stanfield wrote:
P.S. I think I asked before but didn't get an answer. Is there a source
for an explanation of the different priorities of backups. I have the
following defined from an inherited amanda.conf file:
always-full
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 05:24:43PM -0500, Vicki Stanfield wrote:
Jon LaBadie wrote:
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 03:47:51PM -0500, Vicki Stanfield wrote:
P.S. I think I asked before but didn't get an answer. Is there a source
for an explanation of the different priorities of backups. I have
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 03:47:51PM -0500, Vicki Stanfield wrote:
I am using amanda to back up my servers. I have the following situation:
There is about 42G of data to be backed up on one particular machine.
This data is mostly static data in a directory structure which creates a
new
I'd like to add several laptops to my current configuration. I was
wondering what solutions people used for transient hosts. Ideally, the
main backup configuration (which handles workstations) would run in the
evening. The downside of this is that laptops are VERY rarely (if ever) on
the
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Richard Karnesky wrote:
3. Force users to backup to a server
If you have sufficient spare diskspace, let the user rsync from time to time to
this space. Then let Amanda backup this space, together with the other machines
that are always available.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
I'm beginning to investigate using external USB 2.0 / Firewire drives to
do backups of some systems. The idea is that we could keep 2-3 spare
PCs around, then if your computer is toast, we just ship it out for
repairs, plug your external drive into one of the spare PCs, and rebuild
the system
Hello All,
I would like to ask a general Amanda backup 'strategy' question here, given
by backup 'goals' below. I have a configured and working Amanda set-up but I
want to try and fit a backup policy that I believe is best suited to our
site around Amanda.
I have an 8-tape (DLT 35/70gb each
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:12:05PM +0100, William Hargrove wrote:
Hello All,
I would like to ask a general Amanda backup 'strategy' question here, given
by backup 'goals' below. I have a configured and working Amanda set-up but I
want to try and fit a backup policy that I believe is best
Here's a strategy that I implemented about a month ago that is working
pretty well so far:
1. run amdump every night to large RAID w/o tape, mix of full and incr
2. run script to separate images to amanda-incr and amanda-full
3. when amanda-full exceeds size of tape, run amflush
4. when RAID
In a message dated: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:12:05 BST
William Hargrove said:
I was thinking I could do the incremental backups to a hard disk area on the tape
server each night and then run Amanda once a week to archive the full backups plus
the HDD incremental ones.
I did this once, way back when
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 11:05:44AM -0500, Ralph Bearpark wrote:
Remember, you can always split up your
filesystems into multiple disklist entries using tar. Then you could
reduce your tapelength to have *just enough* to fit everything once.
Hmm, dividing my clients into multiple DLEs
I have a tapeless back-up config here with 2.4.3. I have 30 virtual tapes, and so
have amanda.conf values of dumpcycle 30 days and tapecycle 30 tapes
Now, man amanda tells me that this dumpcycle value should mean that each disk using
this set of options will get a full backup at least this
Linebreaks, man, use some line breaks...
Sorry, dude, sorry...
Not that I know of, but in the 2.4.4 ReleaseNotes it says
that it tries to
reduce the number of level 0s per host each night.
I guess that *might* help. I could probably get it down to
a full backup every week. Would I just
Linebreaks, man, use some line breaks...
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 at 4:10am, Ralph Bearpark wrote
However, when I look an amoverview I see that several disks are getting
a full backup EVERY OTHER DAY! What's the idea of this? I'll grant
it's within the letter of the manual, but it's hardly
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 at 10:33am, Ralph Bearpark wrote
Not that I know of, but in the 2.4.4 ReleaseNotes it says
that it tries to
reduce the number of level 0s per host each night.
I guess that *might* help. I could probably get it down to
a full backup every week. Would I just need
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 at 11:05am, Ralph Bearpark wrote
Remember, you can always split up your
filesystems into multiple disklist entries using tar. Then you could
reduce your tapelength to have *just enough* to fit everything once.
Hmm, dividing my clients into multiple DLEs that I hope
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 at 11:16am, Ralph Bearpark wrote
Yep. Amanda gets estimates for all the DLEs at multiple incremental
levels, and figures out the best thing to do within the
tapelength it has.
Even to the extent of not doing any sort of backup at all on some or many
of the DLEs?
Remember, you can always split up your
filesystems into multiple disklist entries using tar. Then you could
reduce your tapelength to have *just enough* to fit everything once.
Hmm, dividing my clients into multiple DLEs that I hope will never exceed
600MB ... that's an ugly concept.
I
Yep. Amanda gets estimates for all the DLEs at multiple incremental
levels, and figures out the best thing to do within the
tapelength it has.
Even to the extent of not doing any sort of backup at all on some or many
of the DLEs? If so, how on earth does it decide which?
(If this is all
On Wed February 26 2003 11:16, Ralph Bearpark wrote:
Yep. Amanda gets estimates for all the DLEs at multiple
incremental levels, and figures out the best thing to do
within the tapelength it has.
Even to the extent of not doing any sort of backup at all on some
or many of the DLEs? If so,
: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:29 PM
To: Ralph Bearpark; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Amanda Backup Strategy
On Wed February 26 2003 11:16, Ralph Bearpark wrote:
Yep. Amanda gets estimates for all the DLEs at multiple
incremental levels, and figures out the best thing
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Subject: Re: Amanda Backup Strategy
On Wed February 26 2003 11:16, Ralph Bearpark wrote:
Yep. Amanda gets estimates for all the DLEs at multiple
incremental levels, and figures out the best thing to do
within the tapelength it has.
Even to the extent of not doing any sort of backup
Ok, I've subscribed to the list and have started wading through the info
and archives. Seems I never quite find the info most applicable to what
I seek. I've been using afio but people have recommended to try amanda,
so I'm looking at it.
I've got two cobalt raqs that use a form of Redhat 6.2
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