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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I'll chime in here, although I will be nowhere near as eloquent as some of you fine people.I agree with Daigonite and others who have expressed similar opinions on this topic. While a respect the beliefs of everyone, organized religion has

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Joseph - The only reason why we should support human survival is because we are humans, and our own ability to continue making decisions hinges on the fact that we have continued existence.Why should a comic book villain want to destroy all

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Joseph - The only reason why we should support human survival is because we are humans, and our own ability to continue making decisions hinges on the fact that we have continued existence.Why should a comic book villain want to destroy all

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend If we have not presented our points humbly enough, we are to fault.  If there is a point we've presented unlovingly, we are to fault.  For my part, I simply wish to agree with Joseph and give yet another analogy which I hope will at least

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Joseph Westhouse wrote:1. To be honest, I can think of a lot worse things that so-called Christians have done, and was expecting one of those to be why you're turned off. What was it about this encounter that bothered you so much? Consider from

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend CAE_Jones - eloquently stated, though I admit some of your terminology and references are over my head. And I actually agree and disagree with Lewis about the God-shaped hole...it depends on what you mean by it, I guess. Though that's

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend My question is: why is human survival preferable to human extinction? If I was some comic book villain, intent on the eradication of all human life, where can you point to tell me that my goals are somehow wrong, or inferior?Ah, you see, I

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @311:http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=12989A bit sad that it seems to be unfinished though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308322#p308322 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend At nocturnus, that's exactly how I see the world. There is no ultimate difference to the universe whether humans existed or not, not yet anyway (it is conceivable that at some future point we might possess the technological capability to spread

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend At nocturnus, that's exactly how I see the world. There is no ultimate difference to the universe whether humans existed or not, not yet anyway (it is conceivable that at some future point we might possess the technological capability to spread

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Forgive me, and I hope I don't come across as sarcastic, but I do want to clarify that in essence, what you are telling me is that I should not ask why?  I should simply live to benefit you, me and the rest of society because because?  Because

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Thanks for humoring us, Daigonite. Obviously we're coming at this from a particular viewpoint, and it's good of you to be patient with us. So, it's not that I don't understand your point—it's that I think you're making an unsupported leap from

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend As I stated previously, the end result is really to survive, because survival allows us to continue to make decisions.Who benefits? All those who participate in society. Think, thousands of years ago, blind people would have been chosen against

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend As I stated previously, the end result is really to survive, because survival allows us to continue to make decisions.Who benefits? All those who participate in society. Think, thousands of years ago, blind people would have been chosen against

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend But to what end?  What is the point?  If I get ritch or die trying, who truly benefits?  if I leave behind a legacy, who will gain anything from it?  If I make a name for myself so that I become as immortal as I can in history books

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Hi Joseph,We should appeal to humans for the mere fact that we are humans, and we do not know of any alternative existance that is as practically objective as the mere fact that we exist. There are two reasons why the mere fact that we exist

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Hi Joseph,We should appeal to humans for the mere fact that we are humans, and we do not know of any alternative existance that is as practically objective as the mere fact that we exist. There are two reasons why the mere fact that we exist

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend There is actually something going onn here, cuzz I typed in a very good answer to Trajectory but then, figured out   it didn't  came up completely. Hmm, that's quite frustrating, and I am not sure if I am able to add the rest URL: http

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Nice one, Joseph.  I admit 281 was a bit beyond me and I couldn't do it justice, anymore than I could the concept of suffering.  when dealing with God in his entirety, I'm much like Spurgeon who was quoted as saying, "I am but of yest

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Zakc: On morality—your question assumes that there's an alternative. But here's the thing. As I see it, I have two choices:1. The system of morality to which I ascribe, based on my personal convictions, experience, reasoning, or whatever else

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Interesting, the last bit of my post didn't come through. Is there a limit to post length?Edit: apparently not, I was able to edit it and add in the missing last part. Is this a forum bug? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I'm curious to know how many people have changed their minds based on what they read or heard in such discussions (I suspect it's a rare occurrence). It is still interesting to read because it gives me insight into other people's perspectives

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I'm curious to know how many people have changed their minds based on what they read or heard in such discussions (I suspect it's a rare occurrence). It is still interesting to read because it gives me insight into other people's perspectives

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend EDIT: Full post didn't go through before. Thank goodness my browser remembered what I'd typed...[[wow]], lots to respond to. I've categorized by name and post for ease of reference...Slender (#276): I don't mean this in a mean way at all

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Interesting, the last bit of my post didn't come through. Is there a limit to post length? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308261#p308261 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I am not entirely convinced we really have free will on a fundamental level; it's likely our processes are just consequences of chemical reactions in our bodies. However, out consciousness is so abstracted from these processes that for all

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend [[wow]], lots to respond to. I've categorized by name and post for ease of reference...Slender (#276): I don't mean this in a mean way at all, but you are probably at risk of giving incredible offense to both Muslims and Christians

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I'm in agreement for the most part with post 295.  I've never doubted that homosexuality exists as a part of nature; there is enough evidence of it watching the animal kingdom which, if we're gonna take the bible literally, doesn't even have

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Nocturnus, it was not my intention to clame that this website is the only right one and everything it says is true. If I've insulted you, I'm sorry. I just see it as food for thought, and that's why I posted it here. Something does not have

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Nocturnus wrote:I'm not only not curious and or not interested about it, but wonder why it needs to be paraded by either side, homosexual or heterosexual, like some trophy, as it were.To be fair, that may be the question that I'd also like

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Mayana wrote:A few days ago I found a interesting website and I want to share it here. Keep in mind that this website isn't managed by me and its opinions do not always match my own. Because it is trying to disprove god's existence, it might

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Mayana wrote:A few days ago I found a interesting website and I want to share it here. Keep in mind that this website isn't managed by me and its opinions do not always match my own. Because it is trying to disprove god's existence, it might

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend A few days ago I found a interesting website and I want to share it here. Keep in mind that this website isn't managed by me and its opinions do not always match my own. Because it is trying to disprove god's existence, it might be offensive

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Maybe they would even think that's how Jesus acts.To be fair, Jesus is pretty harsh in Matthew23. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308203#p308203 ___ Audiogames-reflector

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Andy,If we know the love of Jesus, then how could we want anything for our fellow man, but for him to know that same love?So if we look at ways that people communicate with one another, how are most people persuaded to hear another person's

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Now give me a sec! my answer to Trajectory was really long, I do not! understand why my post appears so shortened, that I even could not really answer to him as expected. This is really weird, I think I myself took enough time to write it URL

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend One final thing, cuzz I think that answer to trajectory was making my post quite long: @Cae jones, This time I am agreeing with Nocturnus in most things he said, in fact he took my words off my mouth. I was also gonna quote deutoronomy

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend K back from work, its answering time.@dark: I don't think I am being antagonistic about others challenging my christian beliefs, all I am doing is opening up the scriptures and discussing everything to its light, even putting up each verse word

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I'm back here now that I know what I'm talking about again. I don't get why sexuality is such a big issue either. I don't get why it is a political issue at all, and I only somewhat get why it's a religious one, but only on a personal level

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I'm not only not curious and or not interested about it, but wonder why it needs to be paraded by either side, homosexual or heterosexual, like some trophy, as it were. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308165#p308165

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend This thread was religious from the beginning.While I found reading through the religious moral/ethics stuff interesting, it still doesn't really address the homosexuality thing. Honestly, I don't get why so many people are curious about if men

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend [[wow]], this got really religious really fast.But I think I'll address the question posed at the very beginning of this thread.My thinking is, that this person, is exploring new things.If you are a true friend to them, you should allow them

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend There is a difference between "choose" and "choose freely".And, well, let's be more direct:Phil. 2:13 wrote:"...it is God which works in you BOTH TO WILL and TO DO of His good pleasure"Or, if you'd rather the bi

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Trajectory wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is your theory on why one person (such as Bela) was granted such a profound miracle by the hand of god, but just a few short years prier Hitler was permitted to exterminate approx. six million jews

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Trajectory wrote:Just out of curiosity, what is your theory on why one person (such as Bela) was granted such a profound miracle by the hand of god, but just a few short years prier Hitler was permitted to exterminate approx. six million jews

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I wrote a point-by-point reply to Andy's last post, then decided it was a bad idea.Let's debate theology, instead:Rom. 8:20-22 wrote:"For the creature was MADE subject to VANITY NOT WILLINGLY, but by reason of Him [that's God] Who

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Moderation! Andy93, Trajectory put it perfectly well in the conclusion of his post. making unqualified and negative statements against gay people is insulting and unreasonable. Feel free to believe as you like, or to disregard the science

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend OK guys, it really really takes me a good time to read posts since now I actually have a job and have to look back at this time in the evening. So, I know that what I'm gonna say right now can be my deffinet ticket without return out

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend OK guys, it really really takes me a good time to read posts since now I actually have a job and have to look back at this time in the evening. So, I know that what I'm gonna say right now can be my deffinet ticket without return out

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Nocturnus: likewise.Just out of curiosity, what is your theory on why one person (such as Bela) was granted such a profound miracle by the hand of god, but just a few short years prier Hitler was permitted to exterminate approx. six million

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Ehh, karma system is gone, so no thumbs up.  lol URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=308025#p308025 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Trajectory, thank you very much for reading; I respect your belief even if I myself cannot hold to it and accept it with that same respect.@quanin, I think it actually takes a bit more faith to go on believing as you do in some senses, since

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Nocturnus:I once had a profound miraculous, almost stranger-than-fiction encounter with someone under circumstances bazaar enough to strongly suggest the plausibility of a divine intervention. Not as miraculous as bela's story, but probably

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I'm going to share two things here, and at least some folks will probably be tempted to reflexively take a swing. Do try and resist the urge until you've processed. The first is an example of why I, personally, am turned off from most shall we

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Slender:Glad to be of service I woke my house up laughing at your post,so thanks a lot. Now gotta explain what's so funny.As for the topic itselfpersonally, I believe in a higher power, yet my religion gets condemned by hardline

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend fun times, Dark.  I sincerely appreciate the straightforwardness and honesty concerning your perspective on God and such.  This is part of the beauty and terror of free will from where I'm standing, and it places so many of those of us who care

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Okay, so most of this is way over my head at this point and represents a level of learnedness far beyond what I could ever aspire to achieve, so I have to mostly bow out at this point. but first:@Andi93, while I do not wish to adversely alter

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Dark, no attack perceived at all. You're right that the idea of norms is probably where you and I differ—I see Scripture as normative, you seem to see human experience and reason as normative. That's essentially the difference between what

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Daigonite, I am not religious myself either, or at least not other than in the personal sense. I was bought up a Christian, but with an emphasis on openmindedness etc. "morals" or "morality" if you study it as a subje

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Dark: My problem with saying that the crucifixion isn't about paying some sort of actual debt that was owed is that this isn't how the Bible talks about it. So how we understand the crucifixion (as with most things in theology) depends largely

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend eI hope this isn't a tug of war . So long as nobody is promoting hatred, I  always appreciate listening to a well presented perspective even if I do not necessarily agree, indeed the art of amicable disagreement is a necessary skill

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Precisely what I've been trying to say from the very beginning.  lolIt's not a number game to me; it's not about how many people I can personally convert or personally bring to church or personally mold to my personal purpose and beliefs.  We

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Dark and Daigonite: I forgot to include this in my last response, but since we've again raised our question about why a God so vast and so loving would be bothered by our little sin, I wanted to address it from a Christian perspective. Again

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Dark and Daigonite: I forgot to include this in my last response, but since we've again raised our question about why a God so vast and so loving would be bothered by our little sin, I wanted to address it from a Christian perspective. Again

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Dark was posting while I was; glad to see you back on this topic, sir.  Honestly, I'm glad it's still going civilly for the most part, which is proof we can keep it that way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307899#p307899

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Seconded, @Joseph Westhouse and post 251 and 252.  the power that drives us has not, we believe, come from within and of ourselves, else we would bost about it and ourselves, something we hope we have not done on this topic and do not wish

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Daigonite, I have studdied ethics for years now as an adult. While I do agree belief in god is not a necessity for ethics, I would be very careful with "good of society" as a standard or reason for morality. As Joseph said, there

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Daigonite, I have studdied ethics years now as an adult. While I do agree belief in god is not a necessity for ethics, I would be very careful with "good of society" as a standard. As Joseph said, there are plenty of people who

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Missed a couple of posts as I was typing that I want to respond to:Daigonite, a couple of things. First of all, you're asking a question that has plagued theologians for centuries, and if it helps, the Christian answer is not as unified as you

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Daigonite: First off, thanks for keeping me in line. I shouldn't go so far as to critique utilitarianism as a whole. However, the version of utilitarianism represented by thinkers such as Peter Singer is what I'm referring to. My concern

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I asked myself that question for 26 years.  The answer I came up with is, how could someone who loves not care? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307890#p307890 ___ Audiogames

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Why does god care if you believe in him? Isn't that a sign of vanity? Doesn't that conflict with the idea of a perfect god? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307889#p307889

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Utilitarianism is NOT socialism. Utilitarianism simply means that we should focus as a society in improving social utility. If anything, I think that socialism is anti-utilitarian because it assigns people to sub optimal roles, thus squandering

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Nocturnus:First off, no such thing as objective morality though. Everything is subjective. I can stand here and say apples are green, but you could turn around and say no, they are red, and both are right.Same with morals, or...well...anything

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Nocturnus - surely none of us are capable of changing society in such a way by ourselves, however that wasn't really the issue being addressed.I kind of feel that the problem regarding morality should be treated as an engineering problem. We

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend

Re: I feel like college is changing my friend I wish I could write like @Joseph Westhouse.  Thumbs up on 242. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307883#p307883 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @andy93: I understand what you're saying, but consider the following: the predominant perception is that homosexuality is a state of being, not a conscious choice. As such, when you say "Being gay is wrong" people don't hear "Cho

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend daigonite wrote:tbh I don't get why we don't just figure out our morals without relying on god, it's really not that hard.sociology dictates that certain actions such as theft, rape and murder make a society less stable. doesn't it follow

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend tbh I don't get why we don't just figure out our morals without relying on god, it's really not that hard.sociology dictates that certain actions such as theft, rape and murder make a society less stable. doesn't it follow that if we follow

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend tbh I don't get why we don't just figure out our morals without relying on god, it's really not that hard.sociology dictates that certain actions such as theft, rape and murder make a society less stable. doesn't it follow that if we follow

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend All of this has been gathered through and is based upon reflection and days spent in contemplative solitude, is not meant to offend and simply begged answers from me myself and no one else. Please, feel free to ignore.  @DarkReferring to poast

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Moderation! @Andy, it does not matter whether you hate people or not. Saying "this is wrong!" with no qualifications and using terms like "unnatural" unfortunately sounds pretty hateful to most people. After all what would

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @dark: how many times do I have to say that I do not hate them? is it so hard to understand? is there another language I might have to say it? maybe my native spanish?Excuse me, I might start to sound harsh now, but insisting I hate gay people

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend lol this thread is still goingBRING OUT YOUR GAYS!BRING OUT YOUR GAYS! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=307833#p307833 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Dark: I can't speak for you personally, but the reason I think many of us struggle with the idea of sin, and wrath and punishment against sin, is that our idea of God is much too low. Let me put it this way: squishing a fly is not generally

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Hey Mirage, I love a lot of what you said here. I just wanted to point out one little nuance I disagree with: you use the popular phrase, "God hates sin, not the sinner." That's not actually how the Bible talks about it. For example,

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend This is going to be a rambling post, but there is so much in this thread, that I just have to write, and see where it takes me.Part 1: My Overall View of GodI am Southern, Christian, and politically conservative, a grouping of characteristics

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Andy: I'm sorry if you feel offended by my comment. That was not my point.Have you thought about the following facts: Some people might feel offended or insulted each time you say: It's wrong to be gay, god won't accept this and you post like

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Dark: I disagree with that wikitionary plural, I have never seen homophobias as a plural, homophobia, sure, but homophobias? That's a strange oneAnyhow, @226: IMO it's a good thing to be any faith and have questions, such as the ones youj

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Moderation! @Andy93: wikctionary wrote:Noun[edit]homophobia (countable and uncountable, pluralhomophobias)1. (derogatory) Fear, dislike or hatred of homosexuals. I think that is pretty clear. As far as this forum goes balancing free speech vs

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Slender you're absolutely right, and I hope my post didn't come off as presumptuous or condemnatory. It's just I feel it's possible to be Christian as I am without looking for everything wrong with everyone and trying to play God - isn't

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @Andi93, a few things:1. Gay is not how things were created? really? It exists in the jungle, of all places. It exists in populations of such things as primitive and natural as insects.Are birds and bees sinners, when their brains are far too

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend But, Dwarfer, that's certainly how some* Christians view it, i.e. sin, burn in hellfire forevermore. Certainly that's not the case for all Christians or denominations, but there are definitely those who equate sin with an instant ticket

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend It should be known that just as it is not okay to generalize LGBT and other groups of people in terms of belief, outlook, attitude, and prospective, it cannot be said that all Christians believe that God is a wrathful condemner who believes

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend OK, there are too many things I'd like to say right now, but unfortunately I can't do to the fact that I'm at a break  right now, about to start working. Therefore, 2 or 3 things.@SLJ: I'd like to ask you quite respectfully to watch out what

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend joshknnd1982 wrote:I do think people who are lgbt have some sort of disorder, perhaps its mental, and should get help if possible.Interesting comment. So, please tell me: How should LGBT people get help?I think people who don't get what LGBT

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend Moderation! @Andy your entitled to your beliefs, but saying "everything's wrong with being gay" is getting dangerously close to homophobia. how would you like it if someone said "everything is wrong with being Christian" or

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend @andy93, so why does God create stuff that he can't stomach? so he can subject himself to torment over the relentless existence of abominable things (that he created) while also subjecting said abominable things to torment over being regarded

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend OK, excuse me guys but honestly, reading most messages here and in other parts of the forum, its just really impossible not to chime in. Believe me, it is imposible for me to stay quiet, because of what I'm, reading.Its a lot,  so I'm not able

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Re: I feel like college is changing my friend To anyone interested I can recommend Shelby Spong's book, though it is rather academic in parts. What I particularly liked is where in places he appeared to be going a little too far down the "well god is whatever you think god is"

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