Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. The thing is...There are many of us who like eloquence. Then there are the ones who hate it, and that's ok.But I think that if they do it like on android, an app that will be paid, they will get some profit. I personally looked at the iPhone voices and I hate them. I

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Yeah, the point I was trying to make is that eSpeak itself will only speak so fast, and then it needs to kick over to Sonic, which artificially boosts it. In NVDA, that's triggered by the user hitting the rate boost checkbox. It sounds good up to a point, but if you

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. No problem. I agree with you there about it sounding bad, but I know there are people who use it at extremely high rates. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352209#p352209 ___ Audiogames-reflector

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. yeah I know, but I was just saying it doesn't sound good above a certain threshold. Also, sorry about the fool remark, I was annoyed about something else earlier when I posted that, incidentally, I thought I removed it before I hit post, but I must have not hit delete

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Oh you mean that Espeak uses the library, well yeah of course it does. There is even an eloquence NVDA addon with rate boost support. When people talk about fast rates though, they don't mean just the rate boost option but the rate in general. URL: http

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. its speaking faster but that library is boosting it, its not like eSpeak is doing it by itself, yeah looking back on that post I realize it could have been worded a little more clearly. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352176#p352176

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. So before calling me a fool, I didn't really see where does it prove that it does not speak faster as you said. Let's place a quote from the library you linked to yourself:Sonic is a simple algorithm for speeding up or slowing down speech.  However,it's optimized

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. It uses this library to do it, its called Sonic. essentially speeding up the output. So ,yes, it is as I say, and why not do a little research so you know what you're talking about and don't look like a fool. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352141

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Um, of course it does make it speak faster, it is just a matter of whether you will get used to it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=352138#p352138 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. That rate boost thing is only some sort of wave reshaper though, it doesn't make it speak any faster, and if you go much about 15 with it on, you start to hear weird artifacts. It's really a subjective thing, I for one don't like the metallic, robotic, harsh sound

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. And Espeak, whether you like it or not, isn't as crappy as one makes it out to be. It can do great at fast speeds. Natural voices always end up slurring their speech as the speed gets faster. They're getting better at avoiding this, but a lot of them still do

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Crap or not, your great Apple will never support as many languages as Espeak, so for some of us it is not even an option to use them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351756#p351756 ___ Audiogames

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Considering just how terrible espeak is on windows with NVDA, I don't even want to think about it being ported to mac. Its abcilutely crap. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351743#p351743

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Don't want to look back either. But just wanted to see how fast is and responsive of Espeak on Mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351729#p351729 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Ever since switching to a Mac, any Windows speech synthesizer sounds so dull now. I'll tell you why, too. MacinTalk focuses on a whole paragraph of text, and actually takes advantage of that. Windows screen readers only deal with clauses, usually. Even the great open

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. @75 this sound is across 4 different machines though. My old i7 desktop I don't have anymore, my lenovo laptop which bit the dust, a borrowed laptop while I was getting up the money to buy a new one, and this one that I have currently. URL: http

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. This might be a silly idea. But if someone could compile Espeak to works with VoiceOver on the Mac, would be awesome. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351719#p351719 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Something tells me it may also depend on the soundcard you're using. I know that once when I was stuck with Microsoft's generic sound driver for a time, every synth had an edgy sound, very annoying. Espeak has always always had a nice sound on my mac's soundcard

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. hmm, not bad, though its still got that mid crackle thing going on, I don't know what that's about, but it just came with eSpeak with NVDA around 2016.2 or there abouts and has been there ever since. Sapi eSpeak does not do this, and linux eSpeak doesn't do it either

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. It works on nvda. It technically does work with the sapi espeak, but the inflection control isn't as direct so it won't sound as good. At any rate, [url="" />Save it without any file extension, then copy it into /synth drivers/espeak-ng/voices/

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I love Espeak and got used to it, people just need to give it a better chance. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351698#p351698 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Yeah sure post it, I'll check it out, can it be made to work with NVDA, or just the sapi eSpeak. I wasn't able to get custom variants working in NVDA. I don't expect it to make me convert, but I'll check it out just the same. eSpeak makes me cringe so hard it ain't

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. They keep drivers for hardware synths, but they have long-since stopped supporting them within Jaws. Even older software synths. Dectalk could technically work just fine on windows versions as current as 10. Window Eyes has always had it as a default till the day

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. One day Jaws will probably get rid of Eloquence, it is just a matter of time. Then again, they still keep legacy drivers even for old hardware speech synths, so that will probably take a while, however just due to the fact Eloquence will never get updated

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Steve Jobs was an innovator for sure. I don't get that vibe from Tim Cook. It seems to be about the bottom dollar for him. For that matter, I see a lot of parallels between him and Satya Nadela. The only thing is, Tim Cook inherited a legacy, Satya's trying to copy

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I think the fact that jaws which has held the lion's share of the screen reader market for decades, has had eloquence as its default voice for so long says a lot. The people at FS aren't fools. If there were a better synth, or just one that most users preferred

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I think the fact that jaws which has held the lion's share of the screen reader market for decades, has had eloquence as its default voice for so long says a lot. The people at FS aren't fools. If there were a better synth, or just one that most users preferred

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I've been reading all these, the topic seems interesting. Thing is, Apple right now is only wants money for the most part. I think when Steve still alive, he was doing a great job with the quality and usage of Apple devices. But now, Since Tim Cook take over the job

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I've been reading all these, the topic seems interesting. Thing is, Apple right now is only wants money for the most part. I think when Steve still alive, he was doing a great job with the quality and usage of Apple devices. But now, Since Tim Cook take over the job

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Maybe someone could tweak Fred to sound more like eloquence, who knows. It would never be exact, but it might be somewhat in the ball park URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351610#p351610

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. You could argue that it could be a Simbian/windows mobile thing, but it was never, ever on any Apple product. Not even the mac, at least not officially. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351600#p351600

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Honestly I don't think eloquence even belongs on any apple products, it just seems some how wrong. Its what i've always used on my pc. It belongs on windows. It does not at all belong on apple. If eloquence was ever ported to apple, I might switch to it for a few

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Probably so. I'd like Takitron 2o to become more mainstream lol, that voice sounds so natural I literally can't tell it from the human samples URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351473#p351473

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. as much as I don't want to discourage anyone I will say that investment vs return is most definitely a factor here. Text to speech synthesis has moved on from being simply a voice for our assistive devices and a toy for everyone else. It's become the driving force

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Well I won't go around in circles about it, you believe what you believe, I am a skeptic, a pecimist, I admit it, but what is a fact is nothing gets done if no action is taken. As in, the odds are 0. Maybe there's a 0.005% chance of it actually happening if we do get

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I don't have an iDevice; I have an Android. As I've said about petitions though, you've gotta be convincing. You'll never get more than 5000 signatures, tops, if your not convincing enough. I'd ask you to look at petitions such as This one as a convincing one

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I think a majority of the people here know how the world works, and have written to developers about accessibility issues. I'm not saying either that they care, though I have spoken to one apple rep who was very knowledgeable and did seem to, but one out of several

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Here's the problem with that idea of "taking initiative". Apple is not obligated to implement accessibility. They're not obligated to make their phones accessible. But we all already know that. That also means they're not obligated to add TTS voices we want.

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Here's the problem with that idea of "taking initiative". Apple is not obligated to implement accessibility. They're not obligated to make their phones accessible. But we all already know that. That also means they're not obligated to add TTS voices we want.

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Exactly. If no one ever takes the initiative, nothing ever happens. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351388#p351388 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Your opinion is don't write to that email address because some people did and nothing happened. Don't you think that if even more people did it would encourage them to do it? Also, interesting that you state your opinions by assuming somebody didn't care to read

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Not going to blame anyone, but all I did was state a fact and boom, this shit started. Guess even my opinion is not welcome without some kind of irritating comeback that accomplishes nothing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351383#p351383

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. @ironcross32 and EthinI think we've had enough of this flame war, neither one of you is accomplishing anything useful or constructive with it. So just agree to disagree and move on, please. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351379#p351379

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. the _expression_ doesn't mean you act like a holy roller, it means you... well, never mind. Let's just say there are other people who are quite expert in their chosen fields who can talk about that knowledge openly without sounding like you do, and I'll leave

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. @50, it certainly seems like you have a grudge against me. I don't act like Gods own Stepchild -- if I did, I'd be practically preaching Christianity. My religious views are a bit complicated. Let's just say I'm 'in the middle' and leave it at that. Now, as for me

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Eh, I don't have a grudge against you, I just don't like your attitude all that much, if at all. You always come on here acting like the gods own step child as if pasting things from dictionary is akin to actually having the knowledge in the first place

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. @48, and, once again, you start bitching at me just because I decide to post on here. I'm not throwing my weight around. Get rid of that grudge you have against me -- it won't solve shit. As I was saying though, that's not "throwing my weight around" -- that

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. @48, and, once again, you start bitching at me just because I decide to post on here. I'm not throwing my weight around. Get rid of that grudge you have against me -- it won't solve shit. As I was saying though, that's not "throwing my weight around" -- that

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. @47 Usually, when people say no offense, they tend to mean some offense, you've hit that mark by butting in here and throwing your weight around once again. Also as usual, you don't have anything constructive to add. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. @Chris, no offense, but if you actually cared to read the topic, first to last, you would know that people have already tried this and it hasn't worked. And we can't make a petition -- absolutely no one would sign it. Frankly, I loathe Apple and prefer Google any day

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. If you guys want Eloquence on iOS and/or macOS, send an email to the accessibil...@apple.com address. The more that do this, the more likely it will happen. Apple has listened to user feedback for more voices, so I see no reason why this wouldn't work. Apple has

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I can attest you do get used to voices. I hate the sound of eSpeak, it sounds tinny, metallic, robotic, and the injected consonants sound unnatural; however, when I was using Linux as my daily OS, I did get used to it after a time. When I moved back to Windows though

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Or hearing about TV shows or movies that you'd like to see that aren't audio described. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=351238#p351238 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I still do listen to audios, but I started reading ebooks for a couple of reasons. The main one is that lots more books are available in ebook form, and if you have a pearl camera and OpenBook or some other quick way to scan paperbacks, pretty much all text books

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I still do listen to audios, but I started reading ebooks for a couple of reasons. The main one is that lots more books are available in ebook form, and if you have a pearl camera and OpenBook or some other quick way to scan paperbacks, pretty much all text books

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Flackers, since you like to absorb information from the books, why not just listen to audiobooks? That's usually what I do, I hardly ever if it all read from a word file with my screenreader, in fact I'm not sure I like doing that. I will read from my phone

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I mean, yes, sure, any synthesiser can seem to be acceptable once you've listened to enough of it. I use Daniel full-time now, despite his flaws, and it took me a while to get comfortable with it. But, really, just going back to Eloquence provides plenty enough

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I mean, yes, sure, any synthesiser can seem to be acceptable once you've listened to enough of it. I use Daniel full-time now, despite his flaws, and it took me a while to get comfortable with it. But, really, just going back to Eloquence provides plenty enough

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Flackers, At a normal speed like that, I must say I agree that eloquence does a better job than alex. However I personally have my alex set much much faster than that, and it reads fine. At slow speeds like that though it does sound quite robotic and does seem

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I dono what yall are saying about human sounding voices not being good for long text documents. Alex on phone and mac its fine on high speeds, better than eloquence in fact. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350840#p350840

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Na, count me out. If it meant I had to throw any money at something that hasn't been updated since the turn of the century then yeah I'm good. I actually bought it on Android, but once I discovered the always connected licence system I promptly uninstalled it. I

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Mac OSX does indeed support third party voices. Acapela still works, Cepstral used to, Eloquence partially integrated, you name it. Someone on Twitter said they had somehow gotten their hands on an Espeak for mac osx that was compiled and working with voiceover

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. If you could just get eloquence on Voice Dream, that would be enough for me. All I want eloquence on an iPhone for is to read books. Alex or the siri male voice do a great job of everything else, but like all the human-sounding voices they're not quite consistent

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Somebody in here said that no apple voices are availaable for NVDA and such. However there is an addon somewhere that lets you switch to samantha. I don't think its very ood, and I think you have to pay, but I heard a sample of it from someone once.As far as eloquance

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Doubt Eloquence will come to ios, but meanwhile it is actually usable on the mac. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350507#p350507 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Fred is their forment based one I think. I kinda wish the iPhones got the novelty voices just to screw with, nothing serious of course. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=350425#p350425 ___ Audiogames

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. To each their own, what might sound horrible, someone else might like.I happen to like Fred, and eSpeak.Not the default eSpeak, that one sounds robotic on a small speaker.I like the Robert variant in NVDA with the inflection set to 100. URL: http

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. I'd love to know why eloquence seems to be so hard to get on stuff. iPhone has that Fred voice as an option, so why not eloquence? People always talk about it not being developed, but it isn't broke so doesnt' need developing. There are loads of human-sounding synths

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. eloquence on ios could be real neet URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=215690#p215690 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. That would be cool, although apple would likely have to run that through Nuance and Im not sure if theyd agree with that. But who knows, it means more money, so maybe. On the other hand, we cannot get our hands on the apple voices for, say, windows phone, or at least

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. hi,I saw espeak on android. Btw they could make it optional like the Alex voice URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=213257#p213257 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

Re: eloquence on IOS.

Re: eloquence on IOS. Hi.This question has been talked about on AppleVis for a while now. Unfortunately, you cannot install Eloquence on iOS with a jailbreak, sorry. Now that you mention this, the people at AppleVis did e-mail Apple Accessibility about this numerous amounts of times