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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Well Nocturnus, hopefully with a name like that your son will turn out to be a decent upstanding sort of chap, rather than a hoodlum who goes around robbin people, sorry couldn't resist! . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280609#p280609 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @Dark,We considered renaming him Batman, since Bruce Wayne really has nothing on this kid other than his billions, but we were concerned with the response we might get from the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the ATF and the department of homeland security. Hilary might fumble his records accidentally in an email, and Trump might have him guard his many establishments without paying him a dime. for those reasons and because we do! Love our son, , we settled on Nightwing instead. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280585#p280585 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People That's a thought, start a grass roots campaign where everybody does a write in vote for themselves.That could be quite humorous if enough people did it to get the attention of the media. Even better would be to get the attention of the politicians, but the only thing they care about is themselves. A vote for anyone else is beneath their radar. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280487#p280487 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People One of the things that may get a few mixed up when it comes to the voting process here in the USA is that fact that we are not exactly voting directly for the president. What we are doing instead is telling the state that we live in who to vote for. Each state have a set number of delegates of whom vote on the behalf of the inhabitants of the state that they represent. The number of delegates per state is set on the number of people that live in that state. The process over is per say, set up to have a clear winner. Even fewer realize what would happen if we get like three people with the same amount of votes in the end. What would happen in this case is that it would get thrown to the house of representatives. Not too sure what it is called over there in the UK. I do believe it might be the house of commons, or something like that. Trust me, that hasn’t really been seen for over an hundred years if my memory serves right. Anyway, the process is to make sure we have someone in office. Now, as for the things that both sides are saying, we should remember that neither can do what the congress and the courts do not allow them to do. That seems to be amusingly forgotten for some reason. Now for the education thing and or thing where you set through everyone’s one hour speech before voting, Sounds like an good idea at first, but is it worth going through the trouble of making that change to our voting process. A change like that, as far as I know, requires two thirds of the States in the USA to even bring it up and three fourths to make that change stick. Anyway, figure I will bring this up instead of stating who I am planning on voting for. In the end, I might be so fed up that I vote for myself. LOL. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280483#p280483 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Fare point nocturnus, happy birthday to your son, is his name Dayurnus? :d. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280472#p280472 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Happy birthday to your son, Nocturnus. Tell him I say hi. But now that I think about it, I might watch it,, just to see what happens. After all, I'm probably going to face it anyway, so I might as well know what happened, if nothing else. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280458#p280458 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I can't be bothered because my son's birthday party is more important. :d URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280444#p280444 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People And now with the presidential debate nearing, I'm trying to ask myself if I really want to watch it or not. On one hand, I feel like I might be able to get info on what the candidates think, but on the flip side, I may not even be getting the facts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280434#p280434 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I'm not going to bother because the chances are pretty good that Trump will turn it into a circus. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280439#p280439 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People And now with the presidential debate nearing, I'm trying to ask myself if I really want to watch it or not. On one hand, I feel like I might be able to get info on what the candidates think, but on he flip side, I may not even be getting the facts. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280434#p280434 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Unfortunately, you'd probably see a serious shrinking of the voting populace to a very small fraction of what it is now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280278#p280278 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @slender, Amusingly enough, while my lady is by no means a fan of trump, she hates! the idea that the first female president is hilary. while we were in the states I actually asked her if she wanted to go and register for a postal over seas vote which you can do, and she said not on the basis that she really doesn't care for either of the options available and wouldn't want to support either of them. Then again we can hardly talk in the Uk given that our first female prime minister jumped streight into a war and one of the biggest economic disasters in our history.@Mirage, Thanks for the explanation of how candidacy works, though i confess I still find it a bit nuts that each party only has so many candidates to vote for and that someone can be one just with a load of cashagain I find it believable though extremely sad you've had the hate mail. I'm no fan of what I've seen of Trump, but as I said, I applaud the fact that someone is actually thinking! about the issues in question rather than just going off the usual hype which I'm afraid was rather the impression I got of American politics while I was over there, indeed most political debates among my in laws tended to turn into everyone agreeing how godly and right the republican party is and how low down and underhanded all democrats are, not just hilary but all! of them (I'm afraid I did hear that "o'bama wasn't even born in the us" thing. so I appreciate that someone in the usa is actually thinking seriously about the thing in question and has! a real opinion.It reminds me of an idea my brother once had, that instead of everyone just walking into a voting booth or putting a cross on a paper, each election day anyone who wanted to vote must sit through an hour long presentation from each potential candidate (and bare in mind in Britain for each constituency there could be 7 or 8). only after sitting thr ough all the presentations would someone be allowed to make their vote. Thus, the only people who would vote would be people who cared enough to A, take a day sitting through a lot of talk to do it, and B, had actually heard all the opinions streight from the potential members of parliament themselves in their own words, extolling their own virtues and that of their party, not from the media or any other source. I wonder if that! would work? . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280271#p280271 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Where as I trust neither of them. One of them says she didn't misuse classified information, goes out of her way to call some 13million US citizens deplorable, has absolutely no idea what the word transparency means and how important it is to her being president. Meanwhile, the other doesn't seem to understand what being a president is, running his campaign like a huge reality TV show, throwing out what I deem to be hateful speech and bigoted comments which, if they are scripted by others make him woefully ignorant and naive, and if stated by him make him one of the most disgusting people I could ever imagine in such a position of power. What I think voters are seeing right now though, which is heavily influencing the election, is that one candidate seems to be focused on at the very least, the interests of her party and trying to unify it as much as possible, which is why she now supports some of the same proposals she once debated against in the prima ries when Sanders was running against her, while the other seems to be focused on himself, going so far as to say that he has entertained the idea that he might not serve as president if he wins the election. If Hilary wins, she'll have done so not because she's truly the greater of the two, but because she's played her cards very well, attacking Trump on a scale many if not most Americans agree on. Trump's campaign has been riddled with problems from the very beginning, from supposed association with white supremacy groups, to people making questionable statements and being arrested for misconduct and violence. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280259#p280259 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People For me, at least, the reason why I choose Hillary over Trump is that she just seems to me like the better of the two evils. But then, I haven't really looked in to politics much, as I have felt that I can't trust both sides. The reason why I say that is because both sides of the election seem to be trying to bash the other, heck, their Twitter accounts are mostly tweets by their campaign, and they almost never tweet for themselves. At this point, I don't even know who to trust, as the whole thing seems like just one side trying to bash the other, and not honest debate. As I sometimes like to say: there are two sides to a company. The side the marketing team reveals to you, and what really goes on internally. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280240#p280240 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People [[wow]]!First, let me say a big Thank You, to all of you for not slamming me.Family and friends on FB have called me such colorful things as racist, homophobe, xenophobe, uneducated, etc., etc., so it's very nice to come to a place where there are thoughtful responses and intelligent commentary.@NocturnisThank you. I had the same thought about Obama in 2008 and 2012, in that I hoped I was wrong about him and that he would be a great President.@MayanaTo shed some more light on why it is that we don't have more candidates to choose from:We actually do. About sixteen months prior to an election, all the would-be candidates for each party begin to campaign with their platforms. Maybe four months after that, there are televised political debates. Then, six months later, we have primaries. These miniature elections happen in each state, and you have the opportunity to vote for whichever candidate you like best from your chosen party. In that way, the choice eventually comes down to the top two candidates, one from each of the big parties. After all the primaries are finished, each party has its big convention, usually in late summer before the election. It is there that they officially nominate the top votegetter from those primaries. It's worth noting that they are not required to nominate the person who gets the most votes. If the party wanted to, it could choose someone else, but I don't think that's ever happened. It would create quite a public stir if it did. Originally, for the Republican party, we had twelve or fifteen possible candidates, and from all of them, Trump was chosen. I can't remember how many Democratic candidates there were, but I think it was three or four.I hope that clarifies a little more about the political process.But I'm not great at explaining things, so please ask questions if I have confused you.@everyone elseI agree with you 1000% that our political election system is flawed, and controlled by ridiculous amounts of money. I also agree that it's controlled too much by the media. I often wonder if things might be different, if we could only listen to campaigns on the radio, taking away the theatrics of television.Somebody mentioned how people vote against a candidate, not for their favorite, and that is so true! I have asked, practically begged, anybody to tell me why they like Hillary, and how they believe she will make America better than it is right now. Nobody will ever say. They just tell me how they hate Trump.In any discussions I've had, I always tried my best to say what I wanted from Trump's leadership, or why I liked him. I left my thoughts about Hillary out of it, because I didn't see how that would lead to meaningful conversation. Unfortunately, more often than not, my conversation partners wouldn't do the same.So again, thank you all for treating me with respect. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280229#p280229 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People [[wow]]!First, let me say a big Thank You, to all of you for not slamming me.Family and friends on FB have called me such colorful things as racist, homophobe, xenophobe, uneducated, etc., etc., so it's very nice to come to a place where there are thoughtful responses and intelligent commentary.@NocturnisThank you. I had the same thought about Obama in 2008 and 2012, in that I hoped I was wrong about him and that he would be a great President.@MayanaTo shed some more light on why it is that we don't have more candidates to choose from:We actually do. About sixteen months prior to an election, all the would-be candidates for each party begin to campaign with their platforms. Maybe four months after that, there are televised political debates. Then, six months later, we have primaries. These miniature elections happen in each state, and you have the opportunity to vote for whichever candidate you like best from your chosen party. In that way, the choice eventually comes down to the top two candidates, one from each of the big parties. Originally, for the Republican party, we had twelve or fifteen possible candidates, and from all of them, Trump was chosen. I can't remember how many Democratic candidates there were, but I think it was three or four.I hope that clarifies a little more about the political process.But I'm not great at explaining things, so please ask questions if I have confused you.@everyone elseI agree with you 1000% that our political election system is flawed, and controlled by ridiculous amounts of money. I also agree that it's controlled too much by the media. I often wonder if things might be different, if we could only listen to campaigns on the radio, taking away the theatrics of television.Somebody mentioned how people vote against a candidate, not for their favorite, and that is so true! I have asked, practically begged, anybody to tell me why they like Hillary, and how they believe she will make America better than it is right now. Nobody will ever say. They just tell me how they hate Trump.In any discussions I've had, I always tried my best to say what I wanted from Trump's leadership, or why I liked him. I left my thoughts about Hillary out of it, because I didn't see how that would lead to meaningful conversation. Unfortunately, more often than not, my conversation partners wouldn't do the same.So again, thank you all for treating me with respect. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280229#p280229 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @Aaron, actually you can! vote none of the above in britain. it's called a spoiled balat, where instead of voting you effectively do something to make your balat paper void, last election I asked my dad to write in "I don't trust any of you" on the paper. it's actually worth doing from a logical perspective because the vote is still officially counted as a spoiled balat and goes into the total number of votes counted in the constituency which affect the over all totals, indeed in every general election there is a count of spoiled balats which is usually used as a measure of dissatisfaction with the choices on offer. I actually wish a lot more people in Britain new about this, since it's a very real and legitimate way to express a vote of no confidence in the various parties.That being said, British politics is rather different over all, since while investment considerations do play their part, they're not as directly tied to c ampaigning in quite as blatant a way as in the states I think, plus the voting process and creation of prime minister is entirely different given that you vote in your constituency for your local mp, and she or he then represents you in parliament, and which party is in power is dictated by the maximum number of mps in parliament, ie, which party can get the most votes through on a given issue, and the prime minister is just the head of whichever party that is. So while you do! vote for the party you want, you don't vote directly for the prime minister, that just happens to be whoever is party leader at the time the party comes into power , nor does she or he have that much direct political power in and of themselves since while the pm chairs debates laws are voted on directly by the mps. this also means that while most of the seats in parliament are one of the three main parties, conservative, labour, or liberal democrat, since you always get a number of candidates in a ny election for your local mp, there are always a few independents in parliament, plus representatives from a couple of smaller parties like the green party or Ukip (the uk independence party), indeed these days considering that labour and the conservatives have basically sold out on their perceived party lines, the idea of unified party sentiment is pretty much dying anyway, one reason why so many die hard conservatives are joining ukip, (which is actually a little scary). That's btw why I didn't vote, nobody represents my! political ideals at all and the choices on offer didn't seem worth while from what I gathered from what they were actually saying of what they wanted for the country. of course the main problem in british politics is that so much effort is spent on one party playing lots of little games to gain advantage in voting against another party, very few people actually remember that what their voting on matters, for example one party might ag ree to vote the way another party wants in return for the first party doing them a favour in a vote down the line. it also doesn't help that each party has a party whip, aka, someone who's job it is to basically go and threaten mps with political suicide and ending their career if they don't vote as the party leadder decides, effectively meaning that even though the people of a british constituency have voted into power someone they believe will represent the interests of their area of the country, that person cannot vote against whatever his/her party wants even if they disagree without either voiding their career or joining another party.As I said while not a money and mudslinging contest, politics in Britain really does seem so bound up with oneupmanship among the various parties that it doesn't really have much to do with actually doing any good at all, indeed frequently one party will oppose another just because! they usually do, one reason the labour conservative coalition government was such a round disaster. Btw, if you want to understand a bit of how politics works in britain, there is a great series called "inside the house of commons" which the bbc showed last year which is exactly what it sounds like, a very honest look at what happens inside westminster, how laws are past and what mps really do with their time, as well as all the funny little traditions and odd rituals. Unfortunately the net affect of watching it was to convince me of something I only suspected, that while not motivated by corporate interest, politics in Britain is so much a closed system foreign to anything to do with real life or how people live that any hope of actual representation is nill. heck, even the mps have taken to referring to westminster as hogwarts .While I'm not keen on British politics though, I'm afraid the American variety scares me even more for precisely the reasons which nocturnus and figment have stated, that it's basically a two sided war fueled by money and rhetoric, and I find the i
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @Aaron, actually you can! vote none of the above in britain. it's called a spoiled balat, where instead of voting you effectively do something to make your balat paper void, last election I asked my dad to write in "I don't trust any of you" on the paper. it's actually worth doing from a logical perspective because the vote is still officially counted as a spoiled balat and goes into the total number of votes counted in the constituency which affect the over all totals, indeed in every general election there is a count of spoiled balats which is usually used as a measure of dissatisfaction with the choices on offer. I actually wish a lot more people in Britain new about this, since it's a very real and legitimate way to express a vote of no confidence in the various parties.That being said, British politics is rather different over all, since while investment considerations do play their part, they're not as directly tied to c ampaigning in quite as blatant a way as in the states I think, plus the voting process and creation of prime minister is entirely different given that you vote in your constituency for your local mp, and she or he then represents you in parliament, and which party is in power is dictated by the maximum number of mps in parliament, ie, which party can get the most votes through on a given issue, and the prime minister is just the head of whichever party that is. So while you do! vote for the party you want, you don't vote directly for the prime minister, that just happens to be whoever is party leader at the time the party comes into power , nor does she or he have that much direct political power in and of themselves since while the pm chairs debates laws are voted on directly by the mps. of course the main problem in british politics is that so much effort is spent on one party playing lots of little games to gain advantage in voting against another party, very few peop le actually remember that what their voting on matters, for example one party might agree to vote the way another party wants in return for the first party doing them a favour in a vote down the line. it also doesn't help that each party has a party whip, aka, someone who's job it is to basically go and threaten mps with political suicide and ending their career if they don't vote as the party leadder decides, effectively meaning that even though the people of a british constituency have voted into power someone they believe will represent the interests of their area of the country, that person cannot vote against whatever his/her party wants even if they disagree without either voiding their career or joining another party.As I said while not a money and mudslinging contest, politics in Britain really does seem so bound up with oneupmanship among the various parties that it doesn't really have much to do with actually doing any good at all, indeed f requently one party will oppose another just because! they usually do, one reason the labour conservative coalition government was such a round disaster. Btw, if you want to understand a bit of how politics works in britain, there is a great series called "inside the house of commons" which the bbc showed last year which is exactly what it sounds like, a very honest look at what happens inside westminster, how laws are past and what mps really do with their time, as well as all the funny little traditions and odd rituals. Unfortunately the net affect of watching it was to convince me of something I only suspected, that while not motivated by corporate interest, politics in Britain is so much a closed system foreign to anything to do with real life or how people live that any hope of actual representation is nill. heck, even the mps have taken to referring to westminster as hogwarts .While I'm not keen on British politics though, I'm afraid the American variety scares me even more for precisely the reasons which nocturnus and figment have stated, that it's basically a two sided war fueled by money and rhetoric, and I find the idea that someone can be made a candidate and effectively become president just by slinging money around without any previous political office deeply frightening. Indeed it makes me a little glad that at least the pm over here has to first be elected as an mp, and then has to spend a few terms doing other jobs around the party and moving up the ladder of political office before getting the top job, (while of course being reelected along the way). Not that we haven't had pm's who were right morons*cough Tony blaire **cough, but at least they're well practiced career morons . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280190#p280190 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People A kickstarter-type system for voting might be an improvement? "I'll vote for if x other people do, otherwise "?Or preference-ordering. "I'd prefer A to B, and B to C." Then and you can figure out which candidate satisfies the most people.But now I'm starting to sound like CPGrey, so I'll stop. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280189#p280189 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People It doesn't take wisdom to see how flawed politics in general is.It's a good thing they call it congress because it definitely isn't progress!Instead of representing the people as they should be they represent the corporations that put the most greese in their palms and bicker between the two parties.Show me a Politician, and I'll show you a career criminal. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280187#p280187 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People there's money involved, too. The democratic party currently swings with various corporations that include the recording industry association of America or RIAA, the Motion Pictures Association of America or MPAA, and a bunch of other names in the entertainment industry as well as in healthcare and environmental conservatism. much of The Republican party hangs out with and is part of the American Legislative Exchange Council, which currently receives support from huge companies in the oil and telecommunications industries including ExxonMobil, AT and Verizon, as well as regularly accepting donations from Koch Industries, a corporation that deals in everything from chemical and energy production to farming. All of these organizations have special interests they bring to the table, and all are responsible for backing the members of government they feel will bring their companies the most profit. the truth is that politics as usual in America are mon ey battles full of tons of advertising and, as Dark has wisely pointed out, mud flinging, dirt throwing time on TV and a bunch of useless rhetoric. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280184#p280184 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I'd love a none of the above option for elections, even here in the UK I struggle to decide who to vote for when our elections come up.As for this election, I'm just waiting to see what happens to be honest. Unfortunately, I'm one of these people who finds politics really confusing for it's own good, and I don't know the best way to rectify that, I'd like to know more about the parties and things but there's no simple way of finding out what they stand for. Instead it's all a bunch of, well, political jargon, sometimes even technical terms. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280180#p280180 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @MayanaAS I understand it, to get on the ballot, candidates have to be chosen by their party, and parties rarely choose more than one candidate So, other than writing in your choice, your choices are rather limited. When I don't like any of the candidates offered, I usually write in none of the above, inspired by the movie, Brewster's Millions.This year I might follow several of my friend's leads and write in Mickey Mouse.I prefer the none of the above option because in the tally of the votes, that will show my displeasure with all of the candidates. Of course a vote for Mickey Mouse should do the same thing with a little humor to boot.Unfortunately, most people never stop to consider writing in their vote. Like sheep being lead to slaughter, they just blindly choose one of the options listed, and the rest of us have to live with their choice, good or bad.For years I wished they'd change our voting laws to put a none option on the ballot, and if none winds, they have to rerun the election, but the candidates that just ran would be barred from running again. That might force the parties to offer reasonable candidates instead of the losers they have been choosing.@assault_freakProbably so, as I said, my information is old. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280176#p280176 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @MayanaAS I understand it, to get on the ballot, candidates have to be chosen by their party, and parties rarely choose more than one candidate So, other than writing in your choice, your choices are rather limited. When I don't like any of the candidates offered, I usually write in none of the above, inspired by the movie, Brewster's Millions.This year I might follow several of my friend's leads and write in Mickey Mouse.I prefer the none of the above option because in the tally of the votes, that will show my displeasure with all of the candidates. Of course a vote for Mickey Mouse should do the same thing with a little humor to boot.Unfortunately, most people never stop to consider writing in their vote. Like sheep being lead to slaughter, they just blindly choose one of the options listed, and the rest of us have to live with their choice, good or bad.For years I wished they'd change our voting laws to put a none option on the ballot, and if none winds, they have to rerun the election, but the candidates that just ran would be barred from running again. That might force the parties to offer reasonable candidates instead of the losers they have been choosing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280176#p280176 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @MayanaAS I understand it, to get on the ballot, candidates have to be chosen by their party, and parties rarely choose more than one candidate So, other than writing in your choice, your choices are rather limited. When I don't like any of the candidates offered, I usually write in none of the above, inspired by the movie, Brewster's Millions.This year I might follow several of my friend's leads and write in Mickey Mouse.I prefer the none of the above option because in the tally of the votes, that will show my displeasure with all of the candidates. Of course a vote for Mickey Mouse should do the same thing with a little humor to boot.For years I wished they'd change our voting laws to put a none option on the ballot, and if none winds, they have to rerun the election, but the candidates that just ran would be barred from running again. That might force the parties to offer reasonable candidates instead of the losers they have been choosing. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280176#p280176 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @Figment, I don't think so. If that was several years ago, processes have changed here... and while it may be hard to come in and imigrate, it's definitely not impossible. Blindness and being on disability wouldn't be a huge thing. I have quite a few friends who moved successfully to Canada and were on disability long enough for them to settle in and find a job. Here, it actually depends on what province you move to as well... but it's definitely be done recently.@Mirage, thumbs up for your publically voicing that opinion, as I feel like anyone admitting to being a trump supporter on a public forum definitely has guts... but as Nocturnus said, it's nice to see someone who seems to be analysing the situation carefully. I will just say that while I agree that the Media loves a good story and pulls things out of context, looking at the overall picture as an outsider, I would say that there are clips and quotes from Trump that are pretty hard to read an y other way than exactly how bad they sound. But then again, I'm also not 100% focusing on it, as I watch it to keep up with what's happening, just not as analytically since I don't live there. I still do my fair share of analysis though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280172#p280172 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Learned Helplessness.From what I've heard, If a candidate receives polls at >=5% (I don't remember if this is state or national), they get invited to the public debates. So Ralph Nater and Ross Perot and Pat Bucannon all got attention back in the 1990s / 2000s, but third party candidates just kinda disappeared by 2008, and now we just kinda hear Libertarians insisting people should try to get Gary Johnson into the debates, and Greens insisting that people should get Jill Stein into the debates, and everyone else insisting that this would be throwing away a vote that they probably don't believe matters anyway.I'd sum it up as: If you're in a swing state, vote against whoever you like the least. Otherwise, vote for your favorite candidate (even if you have to do a write-in). I think some enterprising sneaks are suggesting some sort of online coordination thing so that people who are in a position where they can't afford to vote their con science can trade votes with someone in a state where it's safe to do so, but that sounds kinda... ... well, you know. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280171#p280171 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @DarkThat's just it, both candidates talk very little, if at all, about the issues that concern everyday working people. They're too busy digging up and slinging mud at their opponent. That, I believe is the reason for the debates, to hopefully get the candidates to stop slinging mud and start talking about the real world issues. Most of the time the candidates we have to choose from are so bad that most people end up voting against a candidate, rather than for one.@MayanaYes, there are more than two parties, in fact there are quite a few, there are the Green, Independent, Reform, and Tea parties, to name a few. But, so far, none of the other parties has ever garnered enough public intrest to be a factor. They are pretty much sidelined into the shadows by the Democratic and Republican parties. That's why you rarely hear about them or their candidates in the national media. Often, their candidates appear on the ballots, and people do vote for the m, but they only get 1 or 2% of the total votes. About the most good they do is give those of us who don't like either of the Democratic or Republican candidates, some one to vote for. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280162#p280162 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I'm not from USA, and maybe I'm to yung or to stupid to understand the confusing politics, as well. But here's a fiew questions, sorry if they are stupid ones:Everyone seems to be talking about choosing Hillary or Trump, choosing one of the lesser evils. But they can't be the only ones, can they? They are the most talked about ones, true, but shouldn't there be more people to choose from and vote for? Unless there are only 2 parties and I got this thing totally wrong.There allways seems to be talk about Hillary/trump/whoever saying that and that against this person, or insulting someone. How much of it is actually true? Are there actual videos of that person saying so, or is it just a clame of the brother of your uncle's friend that allways talks about politics, or something that you read on a untrustworthy news site. For real life there are allways videos (even those can be faked, however), but if something's written on a paper or on the internet it could just as well be someone else. I'm sure Hillary or Trump have a lot of people behind them, and those tend to answer all the emails and deal with lots of things as well.Ah, I'm confused now. I probably am getting this all wrong anyway, guess I should just enjoy the drama. Good luck, Americans! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280160#p280160 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People unfortunately from what I've gathered one of the severe problems with American politics generally is that most people don't tend to listen to either side's actual proposals, and of course a lot of the campaign tactics are based purely on appealing to emotional gestures, either in flinging mud at the opponent or saying the right stuff in big and showy ways. this isn't to say such things don't happen in Britain, british politics is definitely it's own beast, however there is far less of big money behind it and far more of wheeling and dealing and the general cricket match of parliament which has only a tangential reference to what the people of Britain actually want or even what a given political party's actual idiology is (it is quite amusing that the so called labour party are responsable for privatising most of Britain's public services). Getting back to the Trump/clinton thing As I said, my inlaws trump support rather sp; scared me just because it is fairly clear they would support a walrus if it was republican and had enough of the right words behind it. Lots of people, my wife included tend to have a similar attitude to nocturnus, that Trump and clinton is essentially the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea as the saying goes. I know several people who believe Trump will be the lesser of evils because basically he'll just make himself and the rest of the rich richer, bwhich is bad, but nothing new, where as Clinton has scary foreign policy. I honestly don't know, but the fact that most people's attitudes don't seem to be based on who they want but either who they don't! want to get in, or that they want someone just because they belong to a given party and set of idiological soundbites just seems extremely wrong to me, particularly given the lobbying and use of money for supporting a campaign. I can say though given some of the comme nts and so called debates I heard while in pensylvania, like my lady I'm fairly glad we're now out of the states and will be for the election. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280152#p280152 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I'll jump in.While I'm not necessarily for Trump, I'm definitely against Hillary.She's untrustworthy, the way she handled her emails while Secretary of State proves it. She knew she was doing wrong when she set up that private server, but she didn't care, she set it up anyway. Then there's the FBI's conclusion that she was very careless with very sensitive material. Birds of a feather flock together, her husband should have been impeached, and would have been if the human rights emergency in Kosovo hadn't appeared. Then there's the two weeks where she didn't do any campaigning, instead she was behind closed doors with big name celebrities doing fund raising. I have to wonder what kind of deals she's brokering for those donations to her campaign that she doesn't want any one else to know about, not to mention the ivory tower it puts her in. And finally, Donald Trump may have said many questionable things, but he's never stooped so low as to call Hillary's supporters deplorable. That she would say that about hard working Americans, just because they support Trump, definitely disqualifies her.If I had to choose between Trump and Hillary, I'd choose Trump. No question. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280148#p280148 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People You know, post 29 really does take guts, so I'll thumbs up it,l even if I can't quite agree. The rallies speak for themselves; the violence Trump does not moderate and lets run unchecked both disgust and terrify me. The flipflopping on illegal immigrants suggests to me that he is unstable; the declaration that Mexico should and will pay for a wall is ridiculous.it is my belief that Trump has been successful throughout his campaign because he is appealing to Americans who feel similarly to those back in 2008 when Obama said, "it's our time!" As far as financial success goes, you can chalk it up to hard work or you can rally around those who believes he has ties to the mob and to mob bosses. I go by what I do know, which is that his father already owned a real-estate company, so that by the time Trump was out of college he was already worth some $20. He had a wife who accused him of rape and then mysteriously retracted the c laim, conveniently around the time the divorce was being finalized. to me, he's an egotist and a self-serving individual. he names buildings after his family's name like it means something special, throws out his medical records publicly while refusing to disclose his seemingly more interesting tax records, and whines on a regular basis about how the media portrays him, which anyone can do. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280135#p280135 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People At risk of making everyone on the site hate me, I am a Trump supporter.I have many reasons for this, but I'll say it simply.I want a safe country, a strong military, a stable economy, and a Supreme Court that upholds the Constitution of the United States. After listening to Trump's speeches in their entirety, reading his books, and ignoring the media in their attempts to make him sound bad,I believe he will uphold these values. I don't believe he is a hatemonger of any kind. He wouldn't be as successful as he is, if he truly was any of those things. The media is exceptional at taking sound bytes from speeches, pulling them out of context, and implying that they mean something different than their original intent. I believe Trump wants prosperity for all Americans, not one group or the other.The most important reason for my Trump vote though, is the candidates' stances on Isis. I just don't believe Hillary is willing or able to addres s this problem in a way that reflects how bad it is.I am not a racist, or a homophobe, or any of the other hateful things that Trump supporters have been called of late.I just vote in a way that is best for our country. I vote for all Americans, not any group in particular.I read a lot of history, and vote in all the primaries.I've had opportunities to watch Hillary Clinton in various capacities for 24 years.And after all of that, and what has to be one of the ugliest sloggiest elections in U.S. history, I will vote for Trump in November.That's my reasoning.But since I come here to play games, bring on the bots. Heheheheheh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280116#p280116 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @assault_freakI'm just saying what a friend told me several years ago when I inquired about the possibility of moving out of the US.Now that I'm blind and on disability, there's no way they'd have me.@NocturnusYou said it, so I'm going to vote for anyone but those two. Sure, I may be throwing away my vote, but after it's over, I'll be able to honestly say that I didn't vote for whichever idiot wins. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280102#p280102 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I wish the answer was simple, but it isn't. There are people who no longer believe their vote counts anymore; there are people too lazy to vote. There are people who truly believe both of these candidates have what it takes. There are people who back these candidates who have ties to big banks and other corporations. If there are two things politics here in America are driven by, the first would be money, the second would be fear. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280090#p280090 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Hi, So I would just like to understand something, as someone looking at this from the outside. It seems as if these two candidates are obviously very unpopular, so how did they end up winning the races for their respective parties? Is it because not enough Americans vote in what you guys call the primaries, or are there actually a substantial amount of people who believe in, for example, Trump's policies? Also, on the question whether it is relevant to have this discussion on a world-wide forum; obviously people post about whatever they like so long as it doesn't breach forum rules, but because America is such a big player on the world stage, your presidential race tends to be a big thing coverage wise, pretty much anywhere in the world right now. So even though here in South Africa we have some very interesting political activities going on, the American elections get quite a bit of coverage as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280089#p280089 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Yeah, sad times. We can't win. We either get Clinton who's an idiot and can't be trusted with information, or Trump, who's such a billionaire he doesn't know how the internet works. Clinton spreads bacterial pneumonia to children without thinking about it, while Trump spreads racist supremacist hatemongering without caring about it. Clinton wants to make it easier for everyone to come to America which may or may not include terrorists; Trump wants to kick out anyone he doesn't deem American enough. AAHH! SOMEBODY! HELP! ME! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280085#p280085 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I would do it, if Canada would take me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280042#p280042 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I've often joked (well, only half-joked, really) that if Trump won the election, I would move to Canada in disgust. Heh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280040#p280040 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People I agree with Dark.. this is starting to look quite amusing and very remonissant of the time I went to watch a Question Period in the House of commons in my country's capital of Ottawa. That was also very immature and entertaining... but quite honestly, I'd rather take the issues we have in Canada over what's going on nextdoor. No insult to all my American friends as many of my best friends are from there... but I'm very glad to be a Canadian! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280039#p280039 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @sid512, feel free to start topics about India if you like, they might be interesting for those of us who don't live there to learn something :d. As to this topic it seems the pro trump bot has started another thread about the evils of hillary clinton's remarks elsewhere. This could be like a manomon battle, "my spambot has multi thread posting, but yours has specific forum attention" Which will win! find out very soon! I'm almost loathed to ban these spammers as I'm finding them sort of cute, assuming they are actually spammers rather than real humans who randomly join message boards just to push the party line. hay, that should be a new character class on forum wars, the politician! who destroys forums by flamewars about political issues, or tries to . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=280031#p280031 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People And ... Instead of responding to the old topic as a human might, the OP has created yet another topic. Seems like a spammer to me. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279973#p279973 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People We shall choose one of two evils. let us base it on spammers! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279970#p279970 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People yes, dark. let them come. and reply here one by one. let's see which ones come out more, the pro-trump or pro-Clinton. it would be equally fascinating to see spammers debate among themselves compared to humans. no surprise one might expect some day a group of spammers registering and posting and hurling opposite views and insults at each other. time to witness a spam flaming threads or a spam fight. but that itself is a thing of the future. .no wonder why hasn't there been spammers who talk about zombies and all things apocalyptic. or had there been. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279957#p279957 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People hi,though I had no intention of replying further at first place, but I've seen a few instances on the forum where it has been brought to our attention that on the internet there are only written words based on which many people tend to draw certain conclusions of their own and consider a statement somewhat different from its original intended meaning. in other words, a person can draw ten different conclusions of their own based on just a single statement, and that may not entirely represent the views of the moderators, or the community as a whole. please bare in mind that every person firstly, do not have English as their first language, secondly, belongs to various regions, and thirdly they belong to all kind of groups, and moreover, their style of conveyance can be different owing to their primary language and various other factors. a person can have a different intention, either general or specific, but it can be interpreted in various ways by a person who tends to be judgemental all the time. for example, it does not do any good if someone starts jumping the guns after a slight bit of noise, or upon sensing a slight movement which has nothing to do with the present scenario, when at the same time there are other people in place to deal with this kind of situation as well. besides, that very person wouldn't be contributing to the cause by firing repeated shots which are totally uncalled for. this should be enough to make a situation sound worse compared to it was before that action, probably. what i want to bring forward here is the consequences of this repeated behavior again and again. suppose the person who wrote the above didn't intend it to sound as harsh and narrow as interpreted by someone, would he feel comfortable to comment further on another similar thread later on? in short, this is not encouraging at all and wouldn't help anyone accept proving how biased and paranoid this behavior se ems like, from the person who does nothing better but to smack down on those posts which, according to his so called conclusion, are over a certain criteria. if that is the case, I don't think that the moderators here are so ignorant as not to take any sort of action, and if not, then that person gets nothing as he isn't a moderator of course.in short, if someone is not a moderator, they shouldn't assume a responsibility to act like one, and if they really feel something is going against the rules, better use that report button and let them decide, instead of coming here and being consistent with jumping the guns again, and again, and again on almost every post which is not written according to that very person's taste. I don't think that is the way a forum works, no sir.p.s. I'll try to be careful next time while posting on a thread which talks about any Indian topic, as this forum is certainly not based in India, no way.(I hoped there would be no flaming session, but alas).regards. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279953#p279953 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Actually this topic is now rather amusing me. Just for people whether they be human or not posting long political wrants on the subject, I'm now interested to know if the first poster will respond or if someone else will register just to make political comments, it's sort of like watching a spectator sport :d. Sorry if anyone in the states does! have opinions on this debate, I'm just rather amused by people, whether automated or not coming on this board just to post such diametrically opposed and passionately worded responses to each other. Do we get another pro trump one next? I'd say the score so far is one nill to clinton united, for some interesting tactics playing to the local crowd, aka writing about disability, we'll see if Trump city want to respond to that as the game continues :d. As I said, muchos appologies to anyone who is actually interested in the debate or indeed if either of the first two posters are posting with a legitimate concern, I'm just quite amused. @Figment, have you ever perhaps considered the fact that everybody is not! out to get you? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279952#p279952 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @DarkSimple. He said this thread should be deleted. Why? Because this site is not US based. That sounds very prejudiced against all the members of this forum that live in the US. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279943#p279943 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People hellotalk about pro-trump, pro-Hillary political spammers coming on and fighting with each other![[wow]], what an interesting scenario. well, on a far serious note, it is less likely that both of the above posters are real people. the first one has only a single post and that seems to be spam judging by the way it is written. one can't be totally sure whether the poster is spam or not. as to the second post, it again seems no different than the first one, whether the poster is a spammer or not is again a question of a response, as the post had a specific mention about disability rights more than a few times in the end.while it might not be strange for a topic like disability rights to be discussed among mainstream people, the prospect of a real person writing something about disability rights isn't too peculiar for this forum imo, since bein g VI comes under a disability itself. i hope that the real intention of the above spammers is proved soon enough, either by a response or the opposite. otherwise if they are spam, and one after the other just to oppose each other, goodness knows what else is to come. another possibility is both are human spammers, but good enough to create accounts and paste their stuff on here, without caring what this forum is about etc. for example one could as well go register on tens of such forum and copy paste their article-like views and replies and whatnot else. no surprise there is a counter from another spammer. i hope this topic continues to exist and some people end up having pro per discussion without targeting each other and causing a flaming session etc. regards.edit: looking at the follow up post, i don't think the person is a full fledged spammer, but still strange to see that the only 2 posts of that user belongs to this thread and in contrast to the very first post of this thread itself. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279935#p279935 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People hellotalk about pro-trump, pro-Hillary political spammers coming on and fighting with each other![[wow]], what an interesting scenario. well, on a far serious note, it is less likely that both of the above posters are real people. the first one has only a single post and that seems to be spam judging by the way it is written. one can't be totally sure whether the poster is spam or not. as to the second post, it again seems no different than the first one, whether the poster is a spammer or not is again a question of its response, as the post had a specific mention about disability rights more than a few times in the end.while it might not be strange for a topic like disability rights to be discussed among mainstream people, the prospect of a real person writing something about disability rights isn't too peculiar for this forum imo, since be ing VI comes under a disability itself. i hope that the real intentions of the above spammers is proved soon enough, either by a response or the opposite. otherwise if they are spam, and one after the other just to oppose each other, goodness knows what else is to come. another possibility might be both are human spammers, but good enough to create accounts and paste their stuff on here, without caring what this forum is about etc. for example one could as well go register on tens of such forum and copy paste their article-like views and replies and whatnot else. no surprise there is a counter from another spammer. i hope this topic continues to exist and a few people end up having proper discussions without targeting each other and causing a flame session. regards.edit: looking at the follow up post, i don't think the person is a full fledged spammer, but still strange to see that the only 2 posts of that user belongs to this thread and in contrast to the very first post of this thread. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279935#p279935 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People
Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People hellotalk about pro-trump, pro-Hillary political spammers coming on and fighting with each other![[wow]], what an interesting scenario. well, on a far serious note, it is less likely that both of the above posters are real people. the first one has only a single post and that seems to be spam judging by the way it is written. one can't be totally sure whether the poster is spam or not. as to the second post, it again seems no different than the first one, whether the poster is a spammer or not is again a question of its response, as the post had a specific mention about disability rights more than a few times in the end.while it might not be strange for a topic like disability rights to be discussed among mainstream people, the prospect of a real person writing something about disability rights isn't too peculiar for this forum imo, since be ing VI comes under a disability itself. i hope that the real intentions of the above spammers is proved soon enough, either by a response or the opposite. otherwise if they are spam, and one after the other just to oppose each other, goodness knows what else is to come. another possibility might be both are human spammers, but good enough to create accounts and paste their stuff on here, without caring what this forum is about etc. for example one could as well go register on tens of such forum and copy paste their article-like views and replies and whatnot else. no surprise there is a counter from another spammer. i hope this topic continues to exist and a few people end up having proper discussions without targeting each other and causing a flame session. regards. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279935#p279935 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People If you want to know how much a president Trump would do for disabled, I suggest you Google for Trump ada violations.Trump touts himself as a successfull businessman, well, look at how his businesses have treated disabled.I really can't understand how and why choosing Trump or Clinton should even be a close call for disabled.Hillary Clinton is a liberal who defends racial equality, criminal justice reform, environmental protection, women's rights, gay rights and even disability rights, whereas Trump's stiffing of contractors, multiple bankrupcies and his Trump "University" scam speak for themselves.A lot of otherwise intelligent and thoughtful people wrongly think that Trump is a closet liberal democrat, who is only pretending to be a conservative.But that's wrong.Trump has vowed to appoint Supreme Court justices who will overrule the right to gay marriage, and his Vice President Mike Pence is deadl y set against the right to abortion.Source:"Donald Trump: 'Trust Me' To Overturn The 'Shocking' Gay Marriage Decision"Another of his supporters in law enforcement notorious birther Sheriff Joe Arpaio who spoke at the GOP Convention is running a brutal prison camp."It costs more to feed our police dogs than our inmates. The dogs never committed a crime, and they're workingfor a living," I may be wrong, But I don't expect that Trump once in power will be better for disabled than for Latinos, Muslims or homosexuals.Simple logic dictates that a politician building his movement on claims that Mexicans are rapists or crazy conspiracy theories against Muslims won't bring anything good to people with disabilities. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279933#p279933 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Hillary is right, and the polls confirm that a large number of Trump supporters hold racist, bigotted opinions.Trump's "basket of deplorables": Hillary Clinton was right (slate.com)"When pollsters and researchers want to measure racial bias, they don’t ask if respondents are “racist”; the stigma of being a racist is strong enough thatmost people won’t answer honestly, to say nothing of the fact that racial prejudice exists on a continuum. A binary answer doesn’t capture the complexityof bias and bigotry. Instead, they ask proxy questions that try to capture attitudes associated with racism. One such question—asked in multiple surveysby Public Policy Polling, a Democratic polling firm—is whether respondents believe President Obama was born in the United States and whether they believehe’s a Muslim. These questions begin to scratch the surface of racial bias. And what are the results? In one survey,two-thirds of Republicans with a favorable opinion of Donald Trump said that Obama is a Muslim, and 59 percent said he wasn’t born in the United States.There’s other data too. In June, Reuters measured the racial attitudes of Clinton, Trump, Ted Cruz, and John Kasich supporters. A significant number of supporters for each candidate voiced negative attitudesabout black Americans. But Trump backers stood out in their animus. Nearly 50 percent said blacks were “more violent” than whites; almost as many saidthat blacks were “more criminal than whites.” More than 40 percent said that blacks were “more rude” than whites, and more than 30 percent said that blackswere “lazier” than whites.Perhaps the best data on questions of race and Trump comes from political scientist Jason McDaniel of San Francisco State University and Sean McElwee,a research associate at Demos, a left-leaning think tank. Using the 2016 pilot of the American National Election Study, conducted in January, they drill down on racial attitudes among Trump supporters. Given what we already know, their results shouldn’t come as a shock. More than 40 percent of all Republicansand more than 60 percent of Trump supporters say that Barack Obama is a Muslim. Compared with those who backed other candidates in the GOP primary, Trumpsupporters have cooler feelings toward blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, and LGBTQ Americans, and warmer feelings toward whites. By sizable margins,according to McElwee’s analysis of ANES, Trump supporters are more likely than non-Trump supporters to believe that blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims arelazier and more violent than whites. More than 60 percent of Trump supporters believe black people are more violent than whites; nearly 50 percent of non-TrumpRepublicans say this. More than 70 percent of Trump supporters believe Muslim people are more violent than whites; roughly 60 percent of non-Trump Republicanssay this. These are deplorable views, and they represent the consensus opinion not just of Trump supporters but of all Republicans in the survey. If thestudy is at all reflective of the population at large on this score, we’re going to need a bigger basket."Donald Trump is no friend of the disability rights movement.He mocked a disabled reporter and he has been sued several times for violation of the ADA.And his list of gross offensive statements including calling Mexicans rapists and calling for banning Muslims from the United States and defending torture and war crimes is pure evil.Anyone voting for Trump can't claim ignorance.On the contrary, Hillary has a solid record as a defender of disability rights.All this is a matter of public record. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279929#p279929 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Mmm, Figment what has hhurstseth405's comment in post 5 got to do with being bigotted or narrow minded or whatever? he just meant that as we're not tied to the Us we shouldn't have posts about us related political issues on the forum, an attitude which isn't actually correct but which certainly isn't bigotted or narrow minded or whatever and doesn't warrent that sort of attack. As I've said before, please relax!Fyi, while I am from the Uk the main webmasters of the site, Richard and Sander are from the Netherlands (which is where the server that actually hosts the site and forum is), four of our moderators are from the Us, one is Tirkish (though living in London), and one of our ex mods was from the czech republic. so this forum is not specifically based in the Uk anymore than it's based in the us or anywhere else, particularly since we do have members from countries including France, Germany, Denmark, Poland , Argentina, Brazil, Albania, Egypt, Iran, Teiland, Turkey, Japan, as well as obviously The Uk, Us, and The Netherlands, and probably a hole bunch of others I'm forgetting. So talking about this forum having a national bias, or indeed an anti national bias is sort of a bit off. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279918#p279918 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People hhurstseth405 wrote:take it down. This forum is not US basedThat's a very close minded, discriminatory, and biggotted attitude. If we were to follow your request, we'd have to delete every topic that doesn't have anything to do with the UK. And if we did that, most of the people here that don't live in the UK would leave for a more inclusive and tolerant community.Shame on you!--Personally, I don't care what Trump's supporters say about Hillary, or what Hillary's supporters say about Trump. I don't like either one of them and plan to vote against both of them.And for the rest of US politics, all I can say is that we really need to abolish political parties. At one time they may have served a purpose, but now all they do is keep our government in a constant state of civil war!Enough already! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279906#p279906 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People hhurstseth405 wrote:take it down. This forum is not US basedThat's a very close minded, discriminatory, and biggotted attitude. If we were to follow your request, we'd have to delete every topic that doesn't have anything to do with the UK. And if we did that, most of the people here that don't live in the UK would leave for a more inclusive and tolerant community.Shame on you! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279906#p279906 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @Ggf, there is actually nothing in the forum rules against people posting "biased" posts or their opinions as long as said opinions aren't put in an offensive way, indeed we often have opinions and biases on this forum of one sort or another. As I personally find us politics a bit of a circus, I can't really say whether this is offensive or not (frankly the mudslinging from everyone in the Us is a bit bewildering, my lady says she's glad to be out of it). Still if people want to discuss us politics there's no problem, actually we've had a few theoretical discussions on here before i think, just as long as things stay amicable. so, m, likely to cause a flamewar? I'm not exactly sure since for a start a good proportion of forum members probably are as confused by the hole violent opposition in us politics as I am, and for another thing i don't think we have too many member's who's pro republicon or pro demo crat or pro whatever else tendencies are likely to make them gett extreporous, however debates in the Us actually go (I did find political opinions over there rather scary I'll admit).While I've heard it is spam i can't exactly confirm since there aren't any spam links etc.So bottom line, as usual I'll only delete this topic if it turns into a major flamewar, which doesnn't honestly seem likely. Heck, there is a slim chance the poster is actually a human being, though if this same post has been seen in a lot of other places probably not. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279890#p279890 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People @Ggf, there is actually nothing in the forum rules against people posting "biased" posts or their opinions as long as said opinions aren't put in an offensive way, indeed we often have opinions and biases on this forum of one sort or another. As I personally find us politics a bit of a circus, I can't really say whether this is offensive or not (frankly the mudslinging from everyone in the Us is a bit bewildering, my lady says she's glad to be out of it). Still if people want to discuss us politics there's no problem, actually we've had a few theoretical discussions on here before i think, just as long as things stay amicable. so, m, likely to cause a flamewar? I'm not exactly sure since for a start a good proportion of forum members probably are as confused by the hole violent opposition in us politics as I am, and for another thing i don't think we have too many member's who's pro republicon or pro demo crat or pro whatever else they're likely to start getting extreporous.While I've heard it is spam i can't exactly confirm since there aren't any spam links etc.So bottom line, as usual I'll only delete this topic if it turns into a major flamewar, which doesnn't honestly seem likely. Heck, there is a slim chance the poster is actually a human being, though if this same post has been seen in a lot of other places probably not. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279890#p279890 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Now normly I would love to chat about this, but I have to do say take it down. This forum is not US based and its people from all over the world. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279881#p279881 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People this is the kind of post that is likely to start any number of flamewars. If you are not a spammer, I suggest you take this to a forum that concerns itself a little more with American politics. We are a diverse set of individuals from all over the world, and many of us don't care what Clinton and Trump get up to these days, as neither one of them truly seems to care about us. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279877#p279877 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People This is an irrelevant or inappropriate post sent to a large number of recipients on the internet.The post is biased and should not be on here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279842#p279842 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: OT: Labeling Millions of People Heh, now it's political spam. Reporting. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279837#p279837 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
OT: Labeling Millions of People
OT: Labeling Millions of People Hillary Clinton said that half of Donald Trump's supporters are deplorable and that they are racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. She had no right to say that. She judged and labeled people who she knows nothing about. She went too far. She should be ashamed of herself for saying such awful things about millions of people. I would not stoop so low as to judge and label people who I don't even know. I'm a Trump supporter but I won't label Hillary's supporters.I won't label Hillary's supporters because I know nothing about them and I don't have the right to judge them. I know nothing about Hillary's supporters but I do know about Hillary. She is prejudice. I wish that labeling and judging those people was the only incident of her bigotry but there have been others. I have a message for Hillary: "Before you judge any other people, you should take a good look at yourself but you'll probably puke when you do". URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=279831#p279831 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
