drmatt wrote:
> You may be confusing me with someone else.. I don't recall having any
> friends around here.. ;) I want you to post it so I can explain why
> it's wrong, yeah. But if you had changed kernel parameters they would
> effect both players for a start.. but you know that, and this was
edwardthern wrote:
> Smells like Bait and coming from you and your fake audiophile friends I
> can bet it is bait. You want me to post so you can attack me...
You may be confusing me with someone else.. I don't recall having any
friends around here.. ;) I want you to post it so I can explain
You are all sickening, to not be willing or able to communicate with
anther adult human being like you have some sense is crazy. Look back at
the way you attacked me and your so called justifications. No wonder
this world is so messed up. Not one of you have the common decency to
start a
Really as human beings you all should be ashamed of yourselves and as
Audiophiles you should be ashamed, if you are religious to any extent
you should be ashamed as well...the way you all treat people is
deplorable and against any level of normalcy for a human being.
drmatt wrote:
> Pls do share, if you are the sharing kind
Smells like Bait and coming from you and your fake audiophile friends I
can bet it is bait. You want me to post so you can attack me
NahI enjoy my sound, you can't hear anyways so it makes no
difference.
Pls do share, if you are the sharing kind
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drmatt wrote:
> Now you are really avin a larf. Game over.
Yes game is over now. I've finally narrowed down which kernel parameters
to tweak and by how much.
Audio narvana has been obtained.
;)
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I noticed that by changing some kernel parameters I was able to bring
out the high frequency information in MPD to sound more like SL. How
ever the low end slam and rhythm of MPD stayed.
Great!!
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drmatt wrote:
> Actually it takes a Linux SME..
>
> E.g.
> http://vince-debian.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/record-sound-currently-playing-to-file.html?m=1
A Okay! Guess I spoke too soon.
You're just a "Normal" person I guess.:rolleyes:
http://vince-debian.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/record-sound-currently-playing-to-file.html?m=1
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drmatt wrote:
> Set it up to redirect the audio data at the alsa layer and do some
> diffs. If it's sending the same bits, that's one less reason why it
> might sound different. If it's sending different bits, you can analyse
> that too and work out what's different.
Wow thats a good
edwardthern wrote:
> You guys are crapping all over my MPD/SL thread :mad:
>
> I should have hung an "Audiophile's Only" sign at the door!!:rolleyes:
Set it up to redirect the audio data at the alsa layer and do some
diffs. If it's sending the same bits, that's one less reason why it
might
You guys are crapping all over my MPD/SL thread :mad:
I should have hung an "Audiophile's Only" sign at the door!!:rolleyes:
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Julf wrote:
> Part of it is science denial, part of it is the rather popular
> egocentric/relativist "my opinion is as valuable as anyone else's - who
> needs experts" syndrome.
Dirty Harry said it best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2_AiQLCb3U
Mnyb wrote:
> Science denial is a big problem , modern audiophilism is a small
> insignifanct fringe of that but a part of a trend ,I think all kinds of
> pseudo science is very dangerous and do hurt societies in the end .
> People's decisions impact others and the world around us.
+1
Part of
Apesbrain wrote:
> We're only human...
>
>
>
> ...and we're all "audiophiles". Some of us draw a line at the
> "pseudo-sciency" stuff and others don't. If you've happy with your
> decisions, what does it matter?
>
>
> Agreed, but when I see mention of a "high end... Discrete R2R ladder
>
Apesbrain wrote:
> ...and we're all "audiophiles". Some of us draw a line at the
> "pseudo-sciency" stuff and others don't. If you've happy with your
> decisions, what does it matter?
That doesn't seem to be what's reflected around here. There are
"audiophiles", and there are those who use
edwardthern wrote:
> Not picking on anyone in particular but I see a bit of hypocrisy going
> on.
We're only human...
edwardthern wrote:
> Audiophiles claim X,Y,Z and non-Audiophiles call them out on it in Lynch
> mob fashion. Although the non-Audiophiles have their own VooDoo magic
>
edwardthern wrote:
> Most people can't even distinguish between 320kHz MP3 and RedBook CD.
Make that almost no one under proper testing conditions with a good MP3
encoder , lame for example .
Counterintuitive enough people with bad hearing can sometimes spot MP3 ,
due that thier personal
Julf wrote:
> Sure. They might still prefer to keep (ans play) their music in the
> original, lossless format.
There are only very few examples where I can distinguish between a high
bit rate mp3 files created with a decent encoder and a lossless FLAC
file in a properly conducted blind ABX
edwardthern wrote:
> Most people can't even distinguish between 320kHz MP3 and RedBook CD.
Sure. They might still prefer to keep (ans play) their music in the
original, lossless format.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity'
Most people can't even distinguish between 320kHz MP3 and RedBook CD.
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24/48 is not really a limitation it's still better than almost all
recordings ever done ( yes I know about audiophile labels ...)
And as to this day many new projects are simply 48k in protools anyway .
And most folks library is cd formatted stuff .
My own has a slight overepresentation of hirez
edwardthern wrote:
> Although the non-Audiophiles have their own VooDoo magic stuff they
> believe in and think nothing of it...
>
> Hmm
For example?
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Apesbrain wrote:
> FWIW, Receiver is limited to 24/48:
> http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Receiver
>
> OTOH, Squeezelite can handle all the "audiophile" formats.
All formats sound the same don't they?
Bits-R-Bitsso as long as its bit perfect the sound is exactly the
FWIW, Receiver is limited to 24/48:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Receiver
OTOH, Squeezelite can handle all the "audiophile" formats.
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drmatt wrote:
> I got a couple of receivers for about £30-40. Most people want the ones
> with buttons and displays!
Lucky you! I must have been looking at a bad time, they seem to have
been going up again on eBay and Gumtree and I couldn't wait.
The other reason this worked for me on the
drmatt wrote:
> This thread reminds me why I like SB Receivers. Cheaper than a Pi plus
> DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
I agree that the SB Receivers have more reliable sync than other non SB
solutions. But I can't agree about the "cheaper" part, at least not here
in
I got a couple of receivers for about £30-40. Most people want the ones
with buttons and displays!
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> Why battery powered?
So I can wheel it out into the backyard.
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Apesbrain wrote:
> I have a big, battery-powered, portable speaker running off the analog
> output of an original RPi/piCorePlayer and it sounds fine.
Why battery powered?
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cliveb wrote:
> OK, so you used:
> - two different (nominally identical) RPIs
> - two different (nominally identical) DACs
> - two different (nominally producing the same data output) software
> players
> And you hear a difference.
>
> Why do you conclude that the difference must be due to the
edwardthern wrote:
>
> I used a Jesse Lite for both running on a RaspberryPi3.
>
> RPI #1 = Squeezelite with no other tweaks. Playing RedBook CD material
> on Flac. Power supply was a standard wallwart.
> RPI #2 = MPD with no other tweaks. Playing the exact same Flac files.
> Standard
Mnyb wrote:
> Ok thats put things into perspective , portable speaker ok :)
Battery powered should be better. It was voltage regulation on the audio
circuit that was pretty poor. They fixed that when the "+" models came
out.
Apesbrain wrote:
> I have a big, battery-powered, portable speaker running off the analog
> output of an original RPi/piCorePlayer and it sounds fine.
Ok thats put things into perspective , portable speaker ok :)
Main hifi:
SBGK wrote:
> your baseline would be to play a wav file using aplay. Both mpd a sl use
> aplay, but have all the extra file transfer/conversion etc stuff going
> on at the same time. So aplay will show you whether mpd sound or sl
> sound is nearer to what is possible via alsa.
Yes that would be
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audiophiles
Mnyb wrote:
> I've read that the older pi have really terrible analog out ?
I have a big, battery-powered, portable speaker running off the analog
output of an original RPi/piCorePlayer and it sounds fine.
Apesbrain's
edwardthern wrote:
> So I've been going back and forth with MPD and Squeezelite for over a
> yearprobably longer, but lets just say 'actively comparing' the two
> for at least a year.
>
> Initial listening both sound great. But over time MPD seems to sound
> thick with more bass than
edwardthern wrote:
> For places like the bathroom or kitchen I would use the RPI analog
> output.
Ok ive heard that it gotten slightly better now on pi3 :) then its
really not expensive . I've read that the older pi have really terrible
analog out ? But if the new version pi3 reached " good
drmatt wrote:
> Yeah, I've done that too, but I'd found genuine SB devices more reliable
> overall, particularly for sync.
>
> We are lucky that those that maintain LMS have actually allowed this to
> happen. Let's face it there's no money being paid for the software, and
> yet it's not only
Mnyb wrote:
> +1 regarding sync.
>
> However i think squeezelite able products are the next best thing
> compared to a real squeezebox.
>
> And its a bit of fun . I havent exactly searched for them but I'm
> convinced there are cheaper dacs than the hifiberry for those places
> like bathroom
+1 regarding sync.
However i think squeezelite able products are the next best thing
compared to a real squeezebox.
And its a bit of fun . I havent exactly searched for them but I'm
convinced there are cheaper dacs than the hifiberry for those places
like bathroom or patio where hifi listening
edwardthern wrote:
> In some places [where I only need background music] I use Android 7"
> tablets with Squeeze Player App and a SB control like Squeezer. For $40
> I have a touch screen display and I can use Bluetooth speakers for a
> neat set up. Other places like in my office I want a little
drmatt wrote:
> This thread reminds me why I like SB Receivers. Cheaper than a Pi plus
> DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
Sure what ever fits the purpose.
In some places [where I only need background music] I use Android 7"
tablets with Squeeze Player App and a SB
Indeed, but... why pay more unless you need more? If you just want a LMS
compatible music player and don't need a display or any other features,
then a SBR or even a chromecast audio is the cheapest way.
drmatt's
drmatt wrote:
> This thread reminds me why I like SB Receivers. Cheaper than a Pi plus
> DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
You can use some of the pi distros for just that build fit and forget
players .
It does not have to be a tweak cornocopia
This thread reminds me why I like SB Receivers. Cheaper than a Pi plus
DAC setup, more reliable and all the in/outputs you need..
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edwardthern wrote:
> Variations between two identical Dacs.
>
> Surely you can think better than that
>
> Try reading my DBT example a little slower, you will plainly see the
> 'only' variables were MPD and SL.
I don't recall you saying you'd defeated all coded DSP or replaygain
settings,
edwardthern wrote:
> When you say a buffer setting works best, do you mean "sounds best" or
> "works best with your Dac. ie no pops, clicks etc"???
>
> In my DBT I made the choice not to tweak anything. BUT I do listen to a
> heavily tweaked SL on a regular basis.
Yes, certain buffer values
edwardthern wrote:
> Oh I forgot to mention that it seems like there are some "Hi-End"
> manufacturers using MPD ie Bryston et.al. I've never heard their take on
> MPD but trying to follow their lead I even tried MPD with various types
> of hardware [RPI, BBB and lots of different types of
>
mervinb wrote:
> I've been using squeezelite on various boards (rPi2, pogoplug E02,
> odroid C2, nexthing CHIP) and I'm still figuring out an "optimal"
> sounding combo.
>
> Each board has it's quirks on USB dac connectivity, and I've found that
> the buffer setting on squeezelite has different
I've been using squeezelite on various boards (rPi2, pogoplug E02,
odroid C2, nexthing CHIP) and I'm still figuring out an "optimal"
sounding combo.
Each board has it's quirks on USB dac connectivity, and I've found that
the buffer setting on squeezelite has different effect depending on
which
drmatt wrote:
> Variations due to e.g. replaygain, digital volume corrections, any DSP
> actions at all, and certainly resampling would be a cause of a
> perceptible difference.
Variations between two identical Dacs.
Surely you can think better than that
Try reading my DBT example a
Ultimately, need to work out whether the ones and zeros are properly
recovered at the DAC from the source files. Variations due to e.g.
replaygain, digital volume corrections, any DSP actions at all, and
certainly resampling would be a cause of a perceptible difference.
Julf wrote:
> Can you describe your setup?
Sure.
I used a Jesse Lite for both running on a RaspberryPi3.
RPI #1 = Squeezelite with no other tweaks. Playing RedBook CD material
on Flac. Power supply was a standard wallwart.
RPI #2 = MPD with no other tweaks. Playing the exact same Flac files.
kidstypike wrote:
> Hmmm... slightly depressed because I remember their TV show. :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU
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> :p
>
>
> 21572
>
> Ronnie
Hmmm... slightly depressed because I remember their TV show. :(
kidstypike
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1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry
Pi/piCorePlayer/HiFiBerry
edwardthern wrote:
> Squeezelite sound a bit thinner
I don't like it when it becomes so thin that even the bones are sticking
out.
Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA
monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers
kidstypike wrote:
> I soak my squeezelite in a weak corn flour/water mixture for a week,
> thickens the music up no problem. Try it.
> 'May all your doughnuts look just like Fanny's' :p
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edwardthern wrote:
> I actually did that, not once, not twice but maybe 10+ times. My wife
> was kind enough to help the first few times. Other times I had friends
> over and we did listening sessions to compare DBT.
Can you describe your setup?
"To try to judge the real from the false will
Julf wrote:
> There are some "high end" manufacturers that use truly awful technical
> solutions.
But they seem to get good reviews?!
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> My first suggestion would be to confirm your observations by properly
> controlled double blind listening...
I actually did that, not once, not twice but maybe 10+ times. My wife
was kind enough to help the first few times. Other times I had friends
over and we did listening
edwardthern wrote:
> Oh I forgot to mention that it seems like there are some "Hi-End"
> manufacturers using MPD ie Bryston et.al. I've never heard their take on
> MPD but trying to follow their lead I even tried MPD with various types
> of hardware [RPI, BBB and lots of different types of
>
Oh I forgot to mention that it seems like there are some "Hi-End"
manufacturers using MPD ie Bryston et.al. I've never heard their take on
MPD but trying to follow their lead I even tried MPD with various types
of hardware [RPI, BBB and lots of different types of
computers/processors/RAM
edwardthern wrote:
> So I've been going back and forth with MPD and Squeezelite for over a
> yearprobably longer, but lets just say 'actively comparing' the two
> for at least a year.
>
> Initial listening both sound great. But over time MPD seems to sound
> thick with more bass than
So I've been going back and forth with MPD and Squeezelite for over a
yearprobably longer, but lets just say 'actively comparing' the two
for at least a year.
Initial listening both sound great. But over time MPD seems to sound
thick with more bass than Squeezelite. Over time I've tweaked
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