Wombat wrote:
> I am one more time fascinated of the energy the music business puts into
> fooling the paying customer!
Which is one of the main reasons why there continue to be so many
NON-paying customers.
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Putting aside discussion of its merits, we actually had some recent
success in implementing Meridian's system, the 'Explorer 2 specifically'
(https://www.max2play.com/forums/topic/meridian-explorer-2-dac-works/)
and 'MQA generally'
(https://www.max2play.com/forums/topic/mqa-audio-works/), in our
s
Archimago wrote:
> I remain skeptical that the *entire* Warner catalogue has been
> converted. That's gotta be ALOT of material and that would be amazing if
> they could convert it all within months like this! More likely is 'Dr.
> AIX's comments about conversion of the 3500'
> (http://www.realhd
MadScientist wrote:
> Well, for those who wish to try it, there should be available material
> shortly.I remain open minded about the format but if it encourges
> better audio mastering practices that has to be a bonus.
>
>
> http://www.audiostream.com/content/what-mqa#iWT9o5sylEKO2eO3.9
MadScientist wrote:
> Well, for those who wish to try it, there should be available material
> shortly.I remain open minded about the format but if it encourges
> better audio mastering practices that has to be a bonus.
>
>
> http://www.audiostream.com/content/what-mqa#iWT9o5sylEKO2eO3.9
Well, for those who wish to try it, there should be available material
shortly.I remain open minded about the format but if it encourges
better audio mastering practices that has to be a bonus.
http://www.audiostream.com/content/what-mqa#iWT9o5sylEKO2eO3.97
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Archimago wrote:
> Yup. It indeed is about the money.
Agreed. In this case it isn't a Betamax v VHS scenario at all. The
equivalent of Betamax has actually already won.
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Archimago wrote:
> Sad and grotesque example of the audiophile press as nothing more than
> the advertising arm of the Industry.
Funny I thought that each and every issue of Stereophile and The
Absolute Sound clearly served as sad and grotesque examples of the
audiophile press as nothing more th
Mnyb wrote:
> Yeah I suppose so , but even if they are biased by their belief that
> even better accuracy is needed ( which I don't believe ) they could
> easily do it in a non proprietary way within already existing formats,
> but then there is nothing to sell :)
Yup. It indeed is about the mon
Archimago wrote:
> The funny thing Mnyb is that they know 16-bits 44kHz will give us time
> domain accuracy in the picosecond range. They seem to be basing all this
> on impulse response plots...
Yeah I suppose so , but even if they are biased by their belief that
even better accuracy is needed
Archimago wrote:
> The funny thing Mnyb is that they know 16-bits 44kHz will give us time
> domain accuracy in the picosecond range. They seem to be basing all this
> on impulse response plots...
They may know it, but it doesn't stop them from quoting guys like
Kunchur who started out saying tha
drmatt wrote:
> Fair enough, where do they say it's audible?
>
If nothing else it is implied by promoting MQA as something that
improves sound quality over older, more generally accepted technology.
>
> They quote studies that show that very short time frame temporal
> information CAN be dis
The funny thing Mnyb is that they know 16-bits 44kHz will give us time
domain accuracy in the picosecond range. They seem to be basing all this
on impulse response plots...
Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective'
audiophile blog.
Archimago wrote:
> Yup. Overall, you're correct about a solution nobody asked for... One
> more thing - it's not "lossless" above the baseband 22/24kHz!
>
> As per Mr. Stuart:
> " b) There is no foolery here: MQA does indeed *reconstruct a
> remarkably close approximation to the original ultras
drmatt wrote:
> Yes I realised I made a typo. You win the prize for pointing it out! ;)
>
> I do think it's a smart approach to a problem that most people don't
> care about. Trouble for MQA is that if you think you need more details
> than 16/44 then 99% will simply put up with 24/192 file size
drmatt wrote:
> If they aren't careful 4G will become the defacto replacement for wired
> home broadband..
Already happening to quite some degree up in Finland.
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a s
ralphpnj wrote:
> Finally we agree!
Hang on boys. Don't be quick to agree :-)
It may be "smart" in a cunningly foxy kind of way...
But it's the size of poorly losslessly compressible 24/44. Not 16/44.
There's at least a 50% difference. Among other contentious issues...
Archimago's Musings:
drmatt wrote:
> Bah, get over it. It's another smart compression algorithm that puts all
> the goodies from a 24/192 files into a 16/44. What's not to like? Apart
> from the license fee of course... :)
>
> On the other hand I can say I will probably never buy or hear an mqa
> device/file, so I f
Julf wrote:
> True. But then you have places like Finland, where even a cheap pre-pay
> 4G mobile connection is much faster than that.
If they aren't careful 4G will become the defacto replacement for wired
home broadband.. people investing in wires should take note and pull
their bloody fingers
Bah, get over it. It's another smart compression algorithm that puts all
the goodies from a 24/192 files into a 16/44. What's not to like? Apart
from the license fee of course... :)
On the other hand I can say I will probably never buy or hear an mqa
device/file, so I find myself not really carin
This just leaked: MQA broadband!
Using super secret proprietary techniques MQA has now developed MQA
broadband. In simple terms the broadband signal is analyzed for blank or
empty data packets and then these empty data packets are "filled" with
data from other non-empty data packets. The resultin
drmatt wrote:
> On the topic of broadband.. Well I can say that there are still plenty
> of parts of the UK and US, supposed to be highly developed economies,
> where broadband speeds are struggling to reach the 8mbit recommended for
> Netflix..
True. But then you have places like Finland, where
On the topic of broadband.. Well I can say that there are still plenty
of parts of the UK and US, supposed to be highly developed economies,
where broadband speeds are struggling to reach the 8mbit recommended for
Netflix..
--
Well it seems, to me, that MQA selling points concentrate around two
topics: convenience and quality.
CONVENIENCE.
I'm not sure how the broadband internet market is in other countries but
here in the Netherlands broadband is not an issue (with a few exceptions
for maybe less then 5% of the popu
ralphpnj wrote:
> Quack! Quack!
But as a sceptic it's your job to disprove fud... ;)
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I remember this temporal thing and the testsignals proving their point
happily survived in mp3 encoding :) The info must be at hydrogenaudio
somewhere.
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drmatt wrote:
> Fair enough, where do they say it's audible? They quote studies that
> show that very short time frame temporal information CAN be discerned by
> a listener but how does this relate to music?
Quack! Quack!
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Fair enough, where do they say it's audible? They quote studies that
show that very short time frame temporal information CAN be discerned by
a listener but how does this relate to music?
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drmatt wrote:
> Funny. It's a duck. So to disprove the value of this duck is very much
> to show that the temporal information on the timescales talked about is
> either irrelevant (I.e. physically incapable of being heard) or is
> preserved in standard recording/playback techniques anyway withou
I am pretty sure the lower bits were declared most important if they not
were used for the Origami.
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Wombat'
Funny. It's a duck. So to disprove the value of this duck is very much
to show that the temporal information on the timescales talked about is
either irrelevant (I.e. physically incapable of being heard) or is
preserved in standard recording/playback techniques anyway without mqa
help.
There's a
drmatt wrote:
> I'm waiting for a refutation rather than name calling...
Temporal blurring is a canard and I don't waste my time refuting canards
since the whole purpose of canards is to make one waste their time
trying to refute instead of having a real fact based discussion.
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I'm waiting for a refutation rather than name calling...
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Fizbin wrote:
> http://www.stereophile.com/content/mqa-questions-and-answers#OPfFkc1xz2LYjmzc.97
>
> Everything you wanted to know about MCQ but were afraid to ask.
Thanks for the link. However I had great difficulty trying to read the
article due to transmissional blurring. For those of you un
Fizbin wrote:
> Everything you wanted to know about MCQ but were afraid to ask.
Or at least "everything they want you to believe about MCQ"... :)
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt
edge
http://www.stereophile.com/content/mqa-questions-and-answers#OPfFkc1xz2LYjmzc.97
Everything you wanted to know about MCQ but were afraid to ask.
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arnyk wrote:
> Does *Science* have to explain -everything- in order for any of the
> explanations that it provides to be valid?
I was hoping people would realize I was resorting to irony...
"To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this
fast-growing art of 'high fidelit
drmatt wrote:
> Re: https://sourceforge.net/projects/album-art/
>
> Just realised this is a Windows only project. No use for me, sorry. I
> will however take a look at some of the back end downloader scripts as
> it may be possible to use some of the same tricks.
Has anyone seen cover art that
Wombat wrote:
> It uses maybe around 20 scripts to check for art.
Re: https://sourceforge.net/projects/album-art/
Just realised this is a Windows only project. No use for me, sorry. I
will however take a look at some of the back end downloader scripts as
it may be possible to use some of the sa
RonM wrote:
> In general, I can find the cover in acceptable resolution online in a
> fraction of the time it takes to scan and process the cover. But yeah,
> to everything else.
For jazz and classical, I want also the entire liner notes. Those are ot
easy to find for most, hence I scan them.
Yeah I remember those. Yes, that would work but support for them was
patchy.
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drmatt wrote:
> Perhaps someone should extended CD Red Book to include a metadata
> segment where artworks and a PDF of the booklet could be embedded
That format already exists - Blue Book (commonly known as "CD Extra").
Discs of this type have two sessions - the first is a standard red book
CD-D
Wombat wrote:
> It uses maybe around 20 scripts to check for art. You can easily compare
> in a preview the quality and size it finds on all these places with
> defined minimum size for example. You will see relying on one source
> only seldom gives best quality. On new releases the itunes or qob
drmatt wrote:
> Looks like a GUI. Is it scriptable?
It uses maybe around 20 scripts to check for art. You can easily compare
in a preview the quality and size it finds on all these places with
defined minimum size for example. You will see relying on one source
only seldom gives best quality. On
Wombat wrote:
> imho best cover art finder https://sourceforge.net/projects/album-art/
> At least for front covers.
Looks like a GUI. Is it scriptable?
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drmatt wrote:
> There's an API for getting album covers from Amazon.. you just need a
> aws key and a bit of Perl.. so I've now got unattended ripping via a
> cron job. Well, obviously you still have to manually insert the disc
imho best cover art finder https://sourceforge.net/projects/album
RonM wrote:
> In general, I can find the cover in acceptable resolution online in a
> fraction of the time it takes to scan and process the cover. But yeah,
> to everything else.
There's an API for getting covers from Amazon.. you just need a aws key
and a bit of Perl.. I have unattended rippin
pablolie wrote:
> Whatever media I get I digitize on the spot, and scan the cover. To me
> convenience is a key part of listening to music.
In general, I can find the cover in acceptable resolution online in a
fraction of the time it takes to scan and process the cover. But yeah,
to everythin
drmatt wrote:
> RE: dvd-a etc
> Me, because I'd rather have a single disc with four or twelve hours of
> audio than yet another box set that costs fifty quid.
>
Avoiding unnecessary and wasteful so-called high resolution formats
allows that to be accomplished.
>
> As for flac compression rati
arnyk wrote:
> Who cares since we know that so-called high resolution audio has no
> audible benefits?
Me, because I'd rather have a single disc with four or twelve hours of
audio than yet another box set that costs fifty quid.
As for flac compression ratio, let me Google that for you.. wikiped
arnyk wrote:
> Open source = no royalty payments.
>
> Who cares since we know that so-called high resolution audio has no
> audible benefits?
>
> I can't say that I'm against physical media, not with a personal library
> in excess of 1,000 discs.
On Open Source - many companies make nice profi
drmatt wrote:
> So I see, a pity the commercial world doesn't like open source.
>
Open source = no royalty payments.
>
> I believe FLAC achieves better compression, no?
>
Reference?
>
> I understand blu ray, at least, does also support up to at least six
> 24/96k pcm audio streams (which
arnyk wrote:
> A lossless compression technique was desired because the DVD format
> lacked the data capacity required to put uncompressed hi rez
> multichannel PCM on a DVD disc. The methodology chose by the DVD forum
> was called MLP and is the piece that Meridian owned.
So I see, a pity the
cdmackay wrote:
>
>
> I fear that the intention was nothing of the sort. I believe the
> intention was nothing more than an attempt to hood-wink people into
> spending money on something they don't need, to solve a problem that
> doesn't exist, using a mixture of pseudo-science, unscientific te
An unique selling point Meridian had back in the 2000's was a fully
digital
Signal path for multich or 2ch dvda hirez.
Your hirez data was in most cases turned in to analog after the player ,
but in a Meridian hifi it could be used by a Meridian processor and
speakers still in the digital domain .
drmatt wrote:
>
> Didn't know they owned dvd-a.
>
Meridian didn't own DVD-A. The DVD-A format was developed by Panasonic.
It was licensed to the DVD Forum as an alternative to SACD which was a
proprietary format developed and owned by Philips and Sony. There was a
format war and as is not unu
The good thing with dvda was discreet 5ch pcm , like 5 ch 24/96 or any
mix between like 24/48 back channels .
The normal dvd video format can package 2ch pcm at 24/192 if you, there
was such disc formsalemfor a while .
Now you can get bluerays with it :) but its still MLP the format
meridian deve
cdmackay wrote:
> I dunno. It sounds like you are saying: "there's a desire to sort things
> out, and create useful standards, and that's good. The result was MQA,
> which isn't good, but still, the intention was good". Is that what
> you're saying?
>
> I fear that the intention was nothing of t
Fizbin wrote:
> I posted this link in the comments section of the 'inconvenient truth'
> article.
>
> http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2016/02/measurements-impressions-meridian.html
>
> 9 Hours later, the moderators have yet to approve. (Yet I see another
> post that says "1 hour ago")
Just anothe
Licensing a new format is the holy grail for each company and they are
willing to fight hard for the success of such a format. It's easy money,
if your format hit the market successfully.
See BluRay-HDDVD and other format wars in the past.
cdmackay wrote:
> I dunno. It sounds like you are saying: "there's a desire to sort things
> out, and create useful standards, and that's good. The result was MQA,
> which isn't good, but still, the intention was good". Is that what
> you're saying?
>
> I fear that the intention was nothing of t
drmatt wrote:
> Yes it sounds like MQA is already dying on its feet. No matter, perhaps
> the inertia or desire for a standard can be used to produce a better
> one...
>
> In the old days we'd have got the BBC to do it.. but that's been
> neutered and can't produce its own obituary.
I dunno. It
jfo wrote:
> ha haa reminder of days long ago! And then we have...
>
> The smell of the rain-washed florin!
> The lure of the lira!
> The glitter and the glory of the guinea!
> The romance of the ruble!
> The feel of the franc!
> The heel of the deutschmark!
> The cold antiseptic sting of
jfo wrote:
> ha haa reminder of days long ago! And then we have...
>
> The smell of the rain-washed florin!
> The lure of the lira!
> The glitter and the glory of the guinea!
> The romance of the ruble!
> The feel of the franc!
> The heel of the deutschmark!
> The cold antiseptic sting of
kidstypike wrote:
> And the reason is money, some of it in nice piles, others in lovely
> clanky bits of loose change. Some of it neatly counted into fat
> little hundreds, delicate fivers stuffed into bulging wallets,
> nice crisp clean checks, pert pieces of copper coina
Mnyb wrote:
> Its a classic marketting scheme . First you present the "problem" and
> then for some reason you have the solution :)
Exactly. In the case of MQA we see the misdeed being done at their web
site:
http://www.mqa.co.uk/customer/how-it-works
"Conventional audio formats discard parts
Mnyb wrote:
> Its a classic marketting scheme . First you present the "problem" and
> then for some reason you have the solution :)
And the reason is money, some of it in nice piles, others in lovely
clanky bits of loose change. Some of it neatly counted into fat
little hundreds,
Archimago wrote:
> drmatt: "Actually I'd rather see a "thx like" mastering standard ..."
>
> Yeah, I think something like this applied as a "standard" for which
> high-resolution recordings can be certified as such might be
> beneficial... Hard to imagine this happening though given how far down
So. If you'll stop assuming you know what I mean when you clearly don't
you'll read the bit about what I'd like to see (the thx-y bit) and less
about MQA. I don't give too shakes of a monkey's dong about MQA itself
to be honest, just would like to see the industry get behind /something/
or anythin
Its a classic marketting scheme . First you present the "problem" and
then for some reason you have the solution :)
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Arny, thanks for the discussion on thresholds and the presentation. Good
stuff!
drmatt: "Actually I'd rather see a "thx like" mastering standard with
guideline volume levels and listening levels, than this specific MQA
thing as it seems like it's marginal in effectiveness. But any attempt
to intr
drmatt wrote:
>
>
> > arny as Dr. Matt cut it to ribbons wrote:
> >
> > Fat sausage mastering is so popular because there is a perception that
> > it helps sell recordings.
> > > >
>
> > arny as he wrote it wrote:
> >
> > Fat sausage mastering is so popular because there is a perception t
arnyk wrote:
> The claim has been made that MQA covers the reproduction system
> end-to-end, but that claim breaks down in reality.
I haven't seen it in action, just read a few online reports. It implies
that this is the goal.
> For example how can a Steely Dan recording recorded and mixed som
drmatt wrote:
> I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs
> such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner.
Qualifying DACs can be a bad idea if it is part of a scheme that has no
reliably perceptible benefits and raises the cost of DACs. Well, its
bad to tho
ralphpnj wrote:
> The MQA process starts off by making an invalid assumption and then
> builds up from that falsehood. An analog audio signal (which is simply a
> type of electrical signal) is converted to a digital audio signal by an
> ADC (analog to digital converter) and then the resulting dig
drmatt wrote:
> I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs
> such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner.
>
The claim has been made that MQA covers the reproduction system
end-to-end, but that claim breaks down in reality. We have before us
are claims tha
Julf wrote:
> "So you think science can explain everything?" :)
Does *Science* have to explain -everything- in order for any of the
explanations that it provides to be valid?
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drmatt wrote:
> I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs
> such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner. This format may
> well be a faltering "step one" towards a very much required audio
> standard that will stop the "fat sausage" mastering of digital audi
Julf wrote:
> "So you think science can explain everything?" :)
In terms of audio and human hearing - yes!
These are well explored fields of science with no missing magical
components, even if some so-called audiophile snake oil dealers try to
make us believe.
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I don't think it can be a bad thing to qualify individual ADCs and DACs
such as this process entails in an end-to-end manner. This format may
well be a faltering "step one" towards a very much required audio
standard that will stop the "fat sausage" mastering of digital audio and
improve quality f
ralphpnj wrote:
> Audiophiles really need to get an understanding of the basic laws of
> electricity that apply to ALL electronically reproduced audio. (Hint:
> don't expect to find any useful information in any high end audio
> publication.) For example: once the electrical signal leaves the
> m
They actually ended up posting it, afterall...15 hours later.
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Fizbin wrote:
> I posted this link in the comments section of the 'inconvenient truth'
> article.
>
> http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2016/02/measurements-impressions-meridian.html
>
> 9 Hours later, the moderators have yet to approve. (Yet I see another
> post that says "1 hour ago")
Why am I no
I posted this link in the comments section of the 'inconvenient truth'
article.
http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2016/02/measurements-impressions-meridian.html
9 Hours later, the moderators have yet to approve. (Yet I see another
post that says "1 hour ago")
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Apesbrain wrote:
> I understand your argument but the author's explanation is that MQA --
> being a "process" encompassing the entire recording/playback chain --
> removes the distortions (frequency and temporal) to which we've long
> become accustomed in non-MQA source material. (Compare to the
Apesbrain wrote:
> Alas, I fear it will be of limited utility to me. I'll never subscribe
> to Tidal and much of the music I most love -- "golden era" classical --
> will likely never be released in the MQA format. Even if, at this stage
> in my life I don't see myself buying all of these title
Summarizing that article, in the reviewer's experience with the
MQA-processed files at hand:
- MQA played on an MQA-enabled DAC sounds "better" than its non-MQA
hi-res equivalent
- MQA played on a non-MQA DAC sounds "better" than its non-MQA
equivalent.
In other words, MQA has the potential to o
arnyk wrote:
> More specifically, they claim that MQA sounds better than 24/96 linear
> PCM, which is a common reference If it in fact sounde better than the
> reference, then it is obviously audibly colored, which most would agree
> is a FAIL.
+1
"audibly colored" is another way of saying equa
Fizbin wrote:
> "An inconvenient truth: MQA sounds better!"
>
> http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/06/an-inconvenient-truth-mqa-sounds-better/
More specifically, they claim that MQA sounds better than 24/96 linear
PCM, which is a common reference If it in fact sounde better than the
referen
http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/06/an-inconvenient-truth-mqa-sounds-better/
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Archimago wrote:
> Well, I really hope this isn't the future for Apple!
>
> IMO, if Steve Jobs were still around I think he'll look at this and be
> unimpressed with the scheme. Of course we're dealing with Tim Cook these
> days so who knows what he's up to. Considering how reluctant Apple has
>
sckramer wrote:
> Meridian had to know this wouldn't fly, especially with "Authenticated"
> in the name-- Wonder if something bigger is going on here, i.e. an Apple
> deal, and this will be the tech behind a new HD iTunes / Beats 1 & built
> into iPhone7/7s's DAC
Well, I really hope this isn't t
Meridian had to know this wouldn't fly, especially with "Authenticated"
in the name-- Wonder if something bigger is going on here, i.e. an Apple
deal, and this is the tech behind a new HD iTunes & built into
iPhone7/7s
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toby10 wrote:
> I'll bet if Stuart answers at all it will be only a small subset of the
> submitted questions. Cherry picked questions to keep the answers
> coinciding with MQA marketing. ;)
I am really looking for the first analog capture with a good standard
24/96 device and its BAD standard
I'll bet if Stuart answers at all it will be only a small subset of the
submitted questions. Cherry picked questions to keep the answers
coinciding with MQA marketing. ;)
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Wombat wrote:
> I highly doubt you wil get new detailled answers. If he gives us 2 or
> more decoded samples at lets say 192kHz first i guess answers to the
> findings with these could make sense. I doubt this will happen...
Yup. I likewise will be very surprised if Stuart comes back with
anythi
R1200CL wrote:
> The end of speculations is over. Now you can ask Bob yourself. (Almost)
> http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f8-general-forum/your-chance-ask-bob-stuart-anything-about-mqa-27412/
I highly doubt you wil get new detailled answers. If he gives us 2 or
more decoded samples at lets say
The end of speculations is over. Now you can ask Bob yourself. (Almost)
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darrenyeats wrote:
> I'm arguing vinyl transcription reverses extreme compression, somehow,
> so that would be consistent with my view.
>
> Is there some "intangible/meta-physical compression quality" than
> remains the same - even when all three of DR number, look of waveform
> and the sound al
darrenyeats wrote:
> I'm arguing vinyl transcription reverses extreme compression, somehow,
> so that would be consistent with my view.
Any suggestion of what the mechanism would be? Pretty much all the
non-linearities of the vinyl path would cause *more* compression - but
as has been pointed ou
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