> From: Peter F Bradshaw
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
> Hi Tom;
>
> I do not know about the Boonah case but I suspect that logic did win in
> that
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> From: Peter F Bradshaw
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
> Hi Tom;
>
> I do not know about the Boonah case but I suspect that logic did win in
> that case and eith
still affected.
The bottom of the harbour would be a start!
Tom
From: Peter F Bradshaw
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Hi Tom;
I do not know about the Boonah case but I suspect
<mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>>
*Sent:* Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:10 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Hi Mike;
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
> >Hi Ron;
> >
> >A lawsuit like what? You are respondin
mething.
Chris
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Gage
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Tom, I was trying to find a way to say that simply - you saved me the trouble.
However,
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
> Hi Mike;
>
> On Tue, 17 May 2011, Mike Borgelt wrote:
>
> > At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
> > >Hi Ron;
> > >
27;t even rigged it and the dead pilot had DI'd it!
> Tom
>
> From: Peter F Bradshaw
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
> Hi Mike;
>
> On Tue, 17
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> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter F
> Bradshaw
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:11 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
> Hi Mike;
>
> On Tue, 17 May 2011, M
Behalf Of Peter F
Bradshaw
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:11 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Hi Mike;
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
> >Hi Ron;
> >
> >A lawsu
m: Peter F Bradshaw
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Hi Mike;
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
> >Hi Ron;
> >
> >A lawsuit like wha
At 11:10 AM 17/05/2011, you wrote:
Hi Mike;
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
> >Hi Ron;
> >
> >A lawsuit like what? You are responding to a mail that hypothesizes that
> >lawsuits are possible. There is no actual lawsuit.
>
> Read it again. He didn't
Hi Mike;
On Tue, 17 May 2011, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
> >Hi Ron;
> >
> >A lawsuit like what? You are responding to a mail that hypothesizes that
> >lawsuits are possible. There is no actual lawsuit.
>
> Read it again. He didn't say there was, just that there is th
At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
Hi Ron;
A lawsuit like what? You are responding to a mail that hypothesises that
lawsuits are possible. There is no actual lawsuit.
Read it again. He didn't say there was, just that there is the
possibility in similar situations.
I sure wouldn't try your l
At 10:02 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
Hi Gary
It was not a large Vic club it was B.S.S. in W.A. the rest is true,
and the A/C was totalled as a result, but the pilot was uninjured.
From memory there was a fair bit of legal "fur" flying around as a
result of the loss of the glider. and an A.D. fol
At 06:46 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
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Geoff your argument explains precisely why we DO need a second
rigging inspection! Things do get forgotten or missed (especially by
more
not can
experiments be done to give us some guide lines?
Gary
- Original Message -
From: John Parncutt
To: 'Jarek Mosiejewski' ; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.'
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka
you feel.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Roger Druce
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Hi,
This definitely correct as long as both the person who is responsible for
rigging the glider and and the one that does second inspection has some
knowledge / experience with the glider in question. In this instance, accordin
tions. Too many haven't in the past, and that's the sad
part.
Patch
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From: gstev...@bigpond.com
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
Sent: Monday, 16 May, 2011 9:20:03 PM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected
Subject: Re: [Aus-s
node.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff
Vincent
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Pam,
I totally support your sent
te:
> >
> > Yea, way more important to cover your ass against litigation then document a
> > second chance to get it right!
> >
> > Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter
> >
> >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000
> >> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.n
on Sanders
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 9:24 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
I will never ever ever do this second signature-it is beyond belief
that an organisation would force it members to expose them sel
-- Original Message -
> *From:* Ruth Patching
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
> Australia.
> *Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 7:55 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
> Having saved my life through a duplicate inspection I support the concept
&g
ew
> Gage
> Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 2:01 PM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
>
>
> Rolf, in this I agree with Mike - there is no way that a duplicate control
> check (or even DI) would have found the pr
ist, might like
to make comment here?
Regards,
Gary
- Original Message -
From: Ruth Patching
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Having saved my life through a duplicate
: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.;
'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Pam,
I totally support your sentiments. Additionally, on several occasi
ists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff
Vincent
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] F
- Original Message -
From: "John Parncutt"
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
Sent: Monday, 16 May, 2011 6:46:34 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne / Sydney
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Geoff your argument explains precisely
ode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff
> Vincent
> Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM
> To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
> Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
>
>
>
>
...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff
Vincent
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Pam,
I totally support your
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Rolf, in this I agree with Mike - there is no way that a duplicate
control check (or even DI) would have found the problem. Sadly, such
a person would have spent months in court defending themselv
en of
responsibility?
Pam
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Gage
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 2:01 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
Rolf, in t
question "if it did happen in Australia, is there a
procedure that following the accident would resolve what the problem was?", all
you need do is search the archives a few years back, and you will find a long
discussion on that issue.
- Original Message -
From: Paul Bart
your miserable Mr. Buelter
>
> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000
> > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> > From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
> >
> >
> > Lots of lessons in the Foka crash.
>
second chance to get it right!
>
> Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter
>
> > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000
> > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> > From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
> >
Yea, way more important to cover your ass against litigation then document a
second chance to get it right!
Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> Subject: Re:
Lots of lessons in the Foka crash.
One big one is how fortunate it was the BGA and there was no second
sigmnature on the DI after rigging.
Mike
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unday, 15 May 2011 12:23 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Cc: Lindsay Mitchell; Vince Everett
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
The same fixing system is in the IS28, IS29, IS30 which we have in our club.
We usually have terrible trouble reassembling the IS29 in our club fr
The same fixing system is in the IS28, IS29, IS30 which we have in
our club.
We usually have terrible trouble reassembling the IS29 in our club
from misaligning the lower cone. This is because it does not have a
turtle deck to remove and we cannot see the lower cone l
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