Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Did some more reading. Apparently, CA has been known as The El Dorado State, 
the Land of Milk and Honey State and even The Grape State. Who knew.  But, 
articles don’t provide dates. 

Gayle

> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I called my 85 year old dad. I asked him what was the nickname of California. 
> He said the Golden State. I asked him "since when" and he said ever since he 
> was a kid, because of the 1849ners and the gold rush. I asked my dad if he 
> had any of those pennants that he used to collect as a kid that had Golden 
> State written on them and instead he took me down the rabbit hole of his 
> childhood bedroom with maybe 2 walls of those felt pennants plastered on 
> them. LOL
> 
> I called Kalani and he said Hawaii was never known as the Golden State. So 
> who knows what that scribe meant!
> Cheri Mello
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>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Just checked date for “The Golden State” and was rather shocked to be 
>> honest. It said it became official in 1968. I’m a native Californian and 
>> would have sworn it was earlier than that. Of course, it could have been 
>> commonly used though not official prior to 1968. Requires more research. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> California is known as "The Golden State" and Hawaii is "The Aloha State," 
>>> but I don't know those terms were in use in 1905ish. Hawaii may have had 
>>> another name, but I don't think it was the "Golden State" (since California 
>>> had the gold rush in the mid-1800s). I'll have to ask Kalani what he knows 
>>> about the history of Hawaii's slogans. Who knows, things evolve over time!
>>> Cheri MelloT
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Margaret Vicente 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Cheri and Angela for the heads up.  I was wondering why it was 
>>>> coming to me so easy…I read the opposite record.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I can tell, the place is out of the Country.  I’m going to write 
>>>> what I see and then translate to I understand it to mean:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri, the area you highlighted:  no lugar de ane nalu na Cidade no estado 
>>>> de ourado
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> My interpretation: in the Ananalu /Honolulu place, city of the Golden 
>>>> State. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Margaret
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Cheri Mello
>>>> Sent: September 7, 2019 5:12 PM
>>>> To: Azores Genealogy
>>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
>>>> Maria
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I still see "lugar da  da cidade"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:14 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Margaret Vicente
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
>>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
>>>> Maria
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish 
>>>> of São Pedro.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Margaret
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Just checked date for “The Golden State” and was rather shocked to be honest. 
It said it became official in 1968. I’m a native Californian and would have 
sworn it was earlier than that. Of course, it could have been commonly used 
though not official prior to 1968. Requires more research. 

Gayle

> On Sep 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> California is known as "The Golden State" and Hawaii is "The Aloha State," 
> but I don't know those terms were in use in 1905ish. Hawaii may have had 
> another name, but I don't think it was the "Golden State" (since California 
> had the gold rush in the mid-1800s). I'll have to ask Kalani what he knows 
> about the history of Hawaii's slogans. Who knows, things evolve over time!
> Cheri MelloT
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Margaret Vicente  
>> wrote:
>> Thanks, Cheri and Angela for the heads up.  I was wondering why it was 
>> coming to me so easy…I read the opposite record.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, the place is out of the Country.  I’m going to write 
>> what I see and then translate to I understand it to mean:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheri, the area you highlighted:  no lugar de ane nalu na Cidade no estado 
>> de ourado
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My interpretation: in the Ananalu /Honolulu place, city of the Golden State. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Cheri Mello
>> Sent: September 7, 2019 5:12 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I still see "lugar da  da cidade"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:14 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Margaret Vicente
>> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish 
>> of São Pedro.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

And, according to my History of Math professor, she was the first female 
mathematician. She was murdered by some jealous male mathematicians because she 
was so outstanding. One final note of trivia, her father was also a famous 
mathematician. 

Just thought I’d add a note of trivia albeit off the original topic. 

Gayle

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Really weird.  Funny part is “Hypatia” is also a name, albeit Greek 
>  
> Cheers, Cheri.
> Margaret
>  
> From: Cheri Mello
> Sent: August 13, 2019 6:34 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
>  
> Yeah, I was scratching my head over your previous email :)
> Cheri Mello
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>  
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day Hilaria.
>  
> Margaret
>  
> From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
> Sent: August 13, 2019 2:41 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
>  
> Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
> Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
> Thanks Doreen
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Sandra,

Yes. It says illegitimate. Strange since baptism says natural. As for the 
witnesses: Jose Maria Bettencourt, proprietor, and Jose Bettencourt de Macedo, 
farmer. However, I’m on my phone so I hesitate to say with 100% certainty. 

Gayle 

PS: Margaret is the true expert. 

> On Aug 3, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
> 
> Sorry here is the link for the 1898 marriage of Maria do Rosario daughter of 
> Genoveva
> bottom right top left
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P112.html
>  
> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer 
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>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 9:56 AM Sandra Valine Dauer  
>> wrote:
>> Gayle thanks for the idea.  Here is Maria Rosario marriage record.  I think 
>> it says illegitimate? daughter of Genoveva da Conceicao with no mention of a 
>> Father.  Is this correct?  Need help with the lines after describing the 
>> witness Jose Maria Bettencourt.
>>  For Genoveva's daughter Francisca I have not found her marriage record in 
>> California.  She first married Manuel Vieira Pinheiro, lived in Fresno 
>> County, California had ten children, Manuel died 1922.  Next she married 
>> Manuel Rodrigues aka Rodgers or Rogers.  Francisca died 1947 and is buried 
>> with her first husband in Selma, Calfornia.
>> Thanks Sandra Valine Dauer
>> 
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>>> On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 12:39 AM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Sandra,
>>> 
>>> This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM 
>>> and that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I 
>>> went back to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed 
>>> as “natural” not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it 
>>> was known or merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely 
>>> assumed, maybe she couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of 
>>> the last three children to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained 
>>> incognito ? If known, who was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  
>>> 
>>> Gayle
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on 
>>>> the first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. 
>>>> On the 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five 
>>>> records? Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or 
>>>> she is considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra 
>>>> Valine Dauer
>>>> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>>>>   
>>>> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>>>>  
>>>> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>>>>   
>>>> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>>>>  
>>>> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genoveva Inacia five children livng Almagreira (Lajes do Pico)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Sandra,

This situation does seem unusual (at least to me. ) I checked with CITCEM and 
that database lists the last three children with “pai incognito” so I went back 
to the actual records and noticed that the last three were listed as “natural” 
not legitimate children of Genoveva. I’m wondering whether it was known or 
merely assumed Manuel Silveira Brum was deceased. If merely assumed, maybe she 
couldn’t remarry. Have you looked for the marriages of the last three children 
to see if a “father” was suddenly known or remained incognito ? If known, who 
was he ? Sounds like fun figuring this out.  

Gayle

> On Aug 2, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Sandra Valine Dauer  wrote:
> 
> Genoveva is listing as birth Mother and Manuel Silviera Brum as Father on the 
> first two children.  On the last three children she is listed a widow. On the 
> 4th child widow of Manuel Silveira.  Is the correct on the five records? 
> Anyone have similar ancestors where the Father is absent and or she is 
> considered a widow?  The links are listed below.  Thank you Sandra Valine 
> Dauer
> 1. Manuel bottom right top left No 18
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P37.html
>   
> 2. Maria bottom left top right No 81
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P113.html
>  
> 3. Joao bottom right top left No 84 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1868-1875_item1/P215.html
>   
> 4. Maria Bottom right top left No 87
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1877_item1/P74.html
>  
> 5. Francisca Bottom left top right No 47
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1875-1881_item1/P159.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Birth information

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri,

Reunion has a baptism event but also allows you to create a custom event which 
you can name yourself. 

Gayle

> On Mar 8, 2019, at 9:41 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Legacy (v. 9) has a Christening event/tag. RootsMagic has a Baptism 
> event/tag/fact. I don't know what Family Tree Maker has. Or Reunion. Since a 
> couple of them have a baptism or christening, I would think that the others 
> do too. It's a workaround. Or the "about" or "circa" or "before" as well. 
> Cheri Mello
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> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:00 PM JR  wrote:
>> Yes, the problem is most genealogy programs do not allow users to create a 
>> primary field that is not a 'birthdate'. I use the same about 
>> field/designation you just outlined. Since the 'abt' (about) date is exact, 
>> it makes the reader wonder why the author would use an exact date and still 
>> use the approximation designation in the birthdate field. The reader is then 
>> forced to turn to the notes section and/or, 'other events' fields for the 
>> answer. It works for me. And if I was writing a booklet about my Portuguese 
>> ancestry, I would simply put an explanation in the forward or index, to that 
>> effect.
>> 
>> JR
>> 
>>> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Hi Walt,
>>> 
>>> My genealogy program has a Baptism tag (some program calls them events). So 
>>> I enter the baptism date into the baptism field and leave it at that. The 
>>> first time period doesn't record the birth dates. Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 6:20 PM Comcast  wrote:
 I usually put Bef mar 25, 1678.  Then at know to look before that date.
 
 
 
> On Mar 8, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Walter Teixeira  wrote:
> 
> Cheri,
> 
> I know you must have this information at the tip of your tongue and it 
> would take me a lot longer to try and find it in one of your helping 
> aids.  During the time period where the birth date is not given in the 
> baptism record and you only have the baptism date, what do most people do 
> about the birth date?  
> Example:
> Baptism Date: 25 March 1678
> Birth Date: about 25 March 1678or  about March 1678
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta do Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks for the link. That priest makes a very strange “t”.  Looks like a “z.”  
Since you also received another response saying that Ponta do Pico =Piedade, I 
went to CITCEM and found that an Ursula Jesus Silveira was born there. 
Unfortunately, no date or parents were listed. Could be that the record was 
difficult to read. If you haven’t already, you might want to look in Piedade 
circa 1698/9 and check to see if the birth record is there and if you can 
figure it out. Just because someone else gave up, doesn’t mean you take their 
word for it. 

Happy hunting. 

Gayle

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 10:12 AM,  
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> Here is the link. It is the records at the bottom of the right side of the 
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-O-1734-1754/TER-AH-CONCEICAO-O-1734-1754_item1/P156.html
> Thank you. Doreen
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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta do Pico
>  
> Ponta do Pico is the large volcano on the island. Really need to see the 
> record to review its context. 
>  
> Gayle
> 
> On Sep 4, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Alda Jorge  wrote:
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> Doreen do you have a copy of the record, personally, I have never heard of 
> Ponta do Pico,  if you have another clue I would ask my Pico relatives they 
> might know.
>  
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
> I have found a record that indicates the person was born Ponta do Pico. The 
> problem is what church would I look at for the records? When I did a google 
> search it just indicate that it was the peak of Pico island. Does anybody 
> have any suggestions? Thanks Doreen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ponta do Pico

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Ponta do Pico is the large volcano on the island. Really need to see the record 
to review its context. 

Gayle

> On Sep 4, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Alda Jorge  wrote:
> 
> Doreen do you have a copy of the record, personally, I have never heard of 
> Ponta do Pico,  if you have another clue I would ask my Pico relatives they 
> might know.
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>> I have found a record that indicates the person was born Ponta do Pico. The 
>> problem is what church would I look at for the records? When I did a google 
>> search it just indicate that it was the peak of Pico island. Does anybody 
>> have any suggestions? Thanks Doreen
>> 
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Transaltion Assistance

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Tony,

Can’t add much. But, here goes: it’s Maria de S.  Jose. Also, Manuel was 58 
years more or less, while Luis was 68 +/-.

And, I think it’s Sao Roque, Ilha do Pico. 

Hope that fills in the pieces you wanted. 

Gayle

PS I checked these names on the CITCEM database for Sao Roque. None were listed 
there. Could be place where they died ? 

> On Aug 15, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Azores Genealogy group 
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> I found the attached document in the Book of Obitos for the town of Manadas, 
> Sao Jorge but do not understand the contents. I can pick out various words 
> such as the "island of PIco" and names such as "Manoel Correa Pereira husband 
> of Barbara de Sousa" and "Luis Pereira husband of Maria de " as well 
> as "Paschoal de Sousa son of Paschoal de Sousa Leal", the document does not 
> appear to follow the usual recording of a death. Can anyone help me in 
> translating and understanding the document. See second entry left hand side 
> of the document.  Thanks Tony
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translating Pico Marriage recordofManuelRodrigues da Silva and Teresa Maria

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Doreen,

The additional Pinto may appear in other records. CITCEM shows it. You’ll need 
to look at baptism records for his children. Also, his obit. 

Gayle

> On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:49 PM,  
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> 
> Thanks. Pedro was not from Bandeiras? And Bartolomeu Ferreira is not 
> Bartolomeu Ferreira Pinto? Have a great day. Doreen
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> recordofManuelRodrigues da Silva and Teresa Maria
>  
> Doreen,
>  
> His parents were Pedro Rodrigues Branco and Pascoa Pereira. 
> Her’s were Bartolomeu Ferreira and Barbara Rodrigues. All from this 
> freguesia. 
>  
> Gayle
> 
> On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:07 PM,  
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> Yes and where the parents were from.
>  
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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translating Pico Marriage record 
> ofManuelRodrigues da Silva and Teresa Maria
>  
> What exactly is the question ? I can help with the names if that’s what you 
> need. 
>  
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> 
> On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:25 AM,  
>  wrote:
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> I make that mistake a lot. Sorry. Here it is. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P38.html
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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translating Pico Marriage record 
> ofManuel Rodrigues da Silva and Teresa Maria
>  
> They must have got the message at it was up at 9:30 a.m. Azores time.
>  
> No attached record.
> 
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> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:08 AM,  wrote:
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> record. I can only make out the date and the groom’s name. Thanks for your 
> help. Doreen Caetano.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating the Pico marriage record of Joao Vieira Maciel and Ana Rosa de Jesus 2.14.1774

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Doreen,

His parents were Antonio Vieira Serpa and Pascoa de Resurreicam (later ending 
became cao). They were from Santo Antonio. Her folks were Manuel Rodrigues 
Ferreira and Maria da Rosa. Her family from Santa Luisa.

Best I can do looking at my phone’s small screen.  Hope this helps. 

Gayle

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> I believe I have just found the parents’ names for this couple. I so excited. 
> This was the end of the tree until now. Please provide me all the information 
> you can from this record. I want to make sure I have it right before I 
> proceed forward. Your help is greatly appreciated.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translating Pico Marriage record ofManuelRodrigues da Silva and Teresa Maria

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Doreen,

His parents were Pedro Rodrigues Branco and Pascoa Pereira. 
Her’s were Bartolomeu Ferreira and Barbara Rodrigues. All from this freguesia. 

Gayle

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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translating Pico Marriage record 
> ofManuelRodrigues da Silva and Teresa Maria
>  
> What exactly is the question ? I can help with the names if that’s what you 
> need. 
>  
> Gayle
> 
> On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:25 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> I make that mistake a lot. Sorry. Here it is. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P38.html
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> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translating Pico Marriage record 
> ofManuel Rodrigues da Silva and Teresa Maria
>  
> They must have got the message at it was up at 9:30 a.m. Azores time.
>  
> No attached record.
> 
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:08 AM,  wrote:
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> record. I can only make out the date and the groom’s name. Thanks for your 
> help. Doreen Caetano.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of JosedaRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

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Don’t know whether it’s a surname or nickname. But, just looked it up on an 
online translator which said coixo=cripple. If that’s true, it could be a 
description. Maybe. 

Gayle

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 7:28 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Just took a peak and the baptisms before year 1815 are not available.
> 
> Please read Gayle's email re CITCEM.
> 
> COIXO could be a nickname or it is a name of foreign origin. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:57 PM  wrote:
>> I will. I can not find the surname “Caixo” in the Sao Roque do Pico records 
>> in CITCEM. Do think it was a nickname? What does it mean?
>> 
>>  
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>>  
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>> From: Margaret Vicente
>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:43 PM
>> To: azores
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of 
>> JosedaRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Doreen, 
>> 
>> This record states Jose is the son of this particular couple who are 
>> naturals of Santo Antonio's Parish.  If within the right time frame, It's 
>> likely, they are the same couple, however just make sure you find Jose's 
>> baptism to confirm.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:29 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Margaret Vicente. I have found a Matius Fialho Lopes in Santo 
>> Antonio. He has a second wife named Maria do Rosario but no son named Jose. 
>> He is the son of Matius Fialho Lopes. I think this is it but worry about not 
>> having the son’s birth record there. What do you think?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>>  
>> 
>> From: Margaret Vicente
>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:26 PM
>> To: azores
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose 
>> daRosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Groom: Jose da Rosa Coelho
>> 
>> Father: Matias Fialho Lopes! [already deceased]
>> 
>> Mother: Maria do Rosario
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Bride: Mariana de Sao Jose
>> Father: Jose Goncalves Coixo
>> Mother: Madalena Rosa
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:20 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks’ That’s what I read. So now maybe that will give me a new lead. Also 
>> on this same record is the groom’s father’s name Matias Fialho or Matias 
>> Fialho Lopes?
>> 
>>  
>> 
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>>  
>> 
>> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy
>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:41 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da 
>> RosaCoelho and Marianna de Sao Jose
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Doreen,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose 
>> Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m 
>> looking at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify 
>> this record better for you. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is 
>> where I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is 
>> important because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is the 
>> record at the bottom. 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
>> 
>> Thanks Doreen
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Pico Marriage of Jose da Rosa Coelho and Marianna de Sao Jose

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Doreen,

I’m reading 2 of the 3 components in agreement with CITCEM. I see Jose 
Goncalves (Glz) Caixo. The database shows Coelho instead of Caixo. I’m looking 
at my smartphone. Maybe someone using a larger screen can clarify this record 
better for you. 

Gayle

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 4:04 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> They were married in 5/15/1781 in Santa Luzia. The bride’s father name is 
> where I have a question. Can some please read this and let me know, This is 
> important because the tree ends here and this might be a new lead. It is the 
> record at the bottom. 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815/PIC-SR-SANTALUZIA-C-1735-1815_item1/P150.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriage record of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

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31 Jan 1811 for first marriage and 6 Feb 1814 for second one. 



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> Pico. Please let me know if Jose Rodrigues Quadrado’s parents are listed. It 
> is the top record of the attached link. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Translating Santa Luzia Pico Marriage record of Jose Rodrigues Quadrado and Flora Jacinta

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Doreen,

He is listed as the widower of Luisa Theodosia. Going over to CITCEM to double 
check, I found this marriage as well as the first. There his parents are listed 
as Manuel Rodrigues Quadrado and Maria des Candeias. I should have written down 
the earlier date. Will get back to you. 

Gayle

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> is the top record of the attached link. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

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Correction: grandparents’ naturalization 

Darn that auto correct feature. ☺️

> On Jul 14, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
> 
> Gloria,
> 
> I’m a little late to this thread , so forgive me if my comment has already 
> been made. But, I noticed your comment about your grandparents’ naturalized. 
> If your grandfather naturalized before 1922, his wife and children also 
> became citizens without additional paperwork. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Gloria Thompson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Rosemarie C
>> My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have 
>> copies of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much 
>> help when it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth 
>> certificates on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing 
>> just Sao Miguel Azores. 
>> Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from 
>> Mosteiros. 
>> 
>> I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t speak 
>> or read Portuguese. 
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Gloria T
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>>> wrote:
>>> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if 
>>> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the 
>>> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the 
>>> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they 
>>> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not 
>>> have the home village. 
>>> 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson  wrote:
>>> 
 Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It 
 does not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met 
 up with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 
 1, 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had 
 sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
> Gloria,
> 
> Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio 
> Martins listed on the same Passportes page:
> 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P62.html
> 
> July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone) 
> Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.  
> 
> "E" 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>> Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the searching.that's 
>> the ugh part for me.
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Researching in São Miguel

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Gloria,

I’m a little late to this thread , so forgive me if my comment has already been 
made. But, I noticed your comment about your grandparents’ naturalized. If your 
grandfather naturalized before 1922, his wife and children also became citizens 
without additional paperwork. 

Gayle

> On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:29 PM, Gloria Thompson  
> wrote:
> 
> Rosemarie C
> My grandfather did become a citizen but my grandmother did not. I have copies 
> of all my grandfathers naturalization papers and there is not much help when 
> it comes to information on my grandmother. As far as the birth certificates 
> on my mother and her siblings. They were very generic showing just Sao Miguel 
> Azores. 
> Their marriage certificate states he was from Sao Jose and she from 
> Mosteiros. 
> 
> I just get so confused when looking for documents on tombo.pt. I don’t speak 
> or read Portuguese. 
> 
> Thank you
> Gloria T
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:16 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>> wrote:
>> Gloria, you really need to do more research in the USA, naturalization if 
>> they/either one became a citizen, Alien records if not, baptisms of the 
>> children may have the home village. As Cheri and others have said over the 
>> years, Sao Miguel is a big island and has many villages. You did say they 
>> married in Mass. so I'm surprised that the civil and church record did not 
>> have the home village. 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Hana Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>>> Maria d'Aguiar of this passport record was 16 years old and single. It does 
>>> not make clear that she was traveling with family. She could have met up 
>>> with family in the Americas. Assuming that her birth date of November 1, 
>>> 1899 is correct, your ancestor would have been 13 years old if she had 
>>> sailed on or around the date of July 23, 1913. The numbers do not match up.
>>> 
 On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 5:48 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
 Gloria,
 
 Do you think this could be them?  There is a Maria Aguiar and Antonio 
 Martins listed on the same Passportes page:
 
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P62.html
 
 July 23, 1913 - Maria Aguiar is #1625 from Ginetes and Antonio (Antone) 
 Martins is#1635 from S. Antonio.  
 
 "E" 
 
 
 
 
 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 8:32 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
> Cherei, OK, easier than I thought now for the searching.that's 
> the ugh part for me.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Boston, Massachusetts, Catholic Sacramental Records, 1789-1900

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Rosemarie,

The Boston Diocese records are on the site: americanancestors.org
According to this week’s e-mail, the Farmington parish was just added. I can 
send you the link to the newsletter if you’d like to read the article. And, if 
there’s something specific you need looked up, and you can wait until after 
this semester ends (and Christmas, for that matter,) I can probably do it. 
Unfortunately, my life is too chaotic to promise anything until after finals 
are over. 

Gayle

> On Nov 14, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the explanation, Joanne. I thought that the info was going to be 
> on the NEGHS site also and went there and couldn't find the Catholic Church 
> info!  We'll have to see if anyone else knows more about that. According to 
> the last article I read, NEGHS was going to house the records for free. Let's 
> hope we can still get to it. 
> 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Joanne Mercier  
>> wrote:
>> I wasn’t aware that the Archdiocese was going to let the records be on any 
>> other site except NEHGS but I guess that changed. From my understanding now 
>> the indexes will always be free at HisGen but you will need to be a member 
>> to see the actual pages and entries. I’m not sure what is available to 
>> Ancestry.com members but when I find out I’ll report back unless someone 
>> else does. 
>> 
>> A little history on the blurred lines in my neck of the woods - up until 
>> 1872 southeastern MA (including Cape Cod and the Islands) and Rhode Island 
>> were part of the Archdiocese of Boston. In that year the Diocese of 
>> Providence was formed and included all of Rhode Island, southeastern MA, the 
>> Cape and the Islands. In 1904 the Diocese of Fall River was formed from all 
>> southeastern MA parishes outside of RI but it’s territory is not drawn 
>> cleanly. For example, the towns of Rochester and Lakeville, which are south 
>> of Plymouth are part of Boston while their neighbors East Freetown, Marion 
>> and Wareham are part of Fall River. Many Portuguese immigrants settled all 
>> throughout this area so depending on when they arrived will depend on which 
>> diocese they belonged to and celebrated their sacraments in. Checking all 
>> three of these dioceses when searching after 1850 is not a bad idea. 
>> 
>> I hope that helps.
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>> 
>>> On November 14, 2017 at 12:39:33 PM, Cheri Mello (gfsche...@gmail.com) 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You'll have to go over there and look, Liz. I think they did it in 
>>> conjunction with the New England Historical Society, if I remember 
>>> correctly.
>>> 
>>> Joanne M or someone else may know Diocese history better...there is the 
>>> Diocese of Fall River. I don't know when it was formed. If the ancestor 
>>> married down there, they might NOT be found in the Diocese of Boston 
>>> records.
>>> 
>>> Cheri
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Elizabeth Migliori  
 wrote:
 So would they also be on family search?  
 
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 7:07 PM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
> Any of you waiting for those Boston Catholic Records, they are now on 
> online at Ancestry.com.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation

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Glad to help. 



> On Nov 12, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Judy Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Thx Gayle, that's what I needed.  I thought I saw seis but couldn't tell if 
> that was birthdate or not.  Need to brush up on reading the records.  Thx 
> again. 
> 
> Judy
> 
>> On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 7:30:27 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Judy,
>> 
>> Jose was born on the second of Nov. and baptized on the 6th. from what I can 
>> read. The very first line says "seis" meaning six and on the following page 
>> (I think it was the fourth line down) it says "dois" of the same month 
>> meaning on the second. 
>> 
>> Hope that helps. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Judy Thompson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to verify some info but am having trouble reading the record.  I 
>>> am attaching the url. The record is #90, starting at the bottom of the left 
>>> page.  Here's the info I want to verify.
>>> 
>>> Jose, child of Manuel Jose Rosa Fontes and Maria Brum, born 2 November 
>>> 1880.  Can't make out date except for November.  Everything else looks like 
>>> a match, at least to my eyes.
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.  Thx.
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with translation

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Judy,

Jose was born on the second of Nov. and baptized on the 6th. from what I can 
read. The very first line says "seis" meaning six and on the following page (I 
think it was the fourth line down) it says "dois" of the same month meaning on 
the second. 

Hope that helps. 

Gayle



> On Nov 11, 2017, at 2:33 PM, Judy Thompson  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to verify some info but am having trouble reading the record.  I 
> am attaching the url. The record is #90, starting at the bottom of the left 
> page.  Here's the info I want to verify.
> 
> Jose, child of Manuel Jose Rosa Fontes and Maria Brum, born 2 November 1880.  
> Can't make out date except for November.  Everything else looks like a match, 
> at least to my eyes.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1880-1881_item1/P37.html
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.  Thx.
> 
> Judy Thompson
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help

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The computer will also "sync" with an iPhone using Reunion. 

Gayle



> On Jun 25, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
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> I was thinking that as I have an iPad (Apple). The only program I know of is 
> REUNION where you can enter info on your home computer AND the iPad.  So if 
> you're entering info on one device, the info also goes on the other device.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Kathy Cardoza  wrote:
>> 
>> Liz
>> 
>> I'm sorry but Legacy is a Windows app. It wouldn't be on the App Store. 
>> 
>> Kathy 
>> 
>> *
>> Sent to you from my iPhone
>> *
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 25, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK
>>> I finally came up to the new century and bought an iPad Pro
>>> I'm trying to get my legacy program on this or Ancestral Quest with no 
>>> luck.  I cannot find them on the store app
>>> 
>>> Where do I search
>>> 
>>> Liz
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A puzzle of several men named Thome MachadoFagundes from Santa Barbara, Nove Ribeiras, Terceira

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Doreen,

We don't see them twice, so maybe the second one is a "bcc" copy you're sending 
to yourself ?  

Gayle



> On Jun 11, 2017, at 9:52 AM,  
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> Why does my posts always show up twice?
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: doreencaetano
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 9:41 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A puzzle of several men named Thome 
> MachadoFagundes from Santa Barbara, Nove Ribeiras, Terceira
>  
> Good Morning. I have been looking at my database for duplicate people. I have 
> 3 Thome Machado Fagundes that are all from Santa Barbara, Nove Ribeiras, 
> Terceira. They are not in my direct lines but through matching people from 
> Family Finder FTDNA (and then adding the connection to my tree) I have added 
> these 3 men. I think they are from the same family. Here is the information I 
> have on them:
> Thome Machado Fagundes #1 born 12/28/1609 Santa Barbara, Nove Ribeiras, 
> Terceira and died 6/16/1685 in same location. His wife was Maria das Neves 
> Lucas and he had several children one of which was name Thome and was born 
> 9/4/1650 in Santa Barbara. His parents are my #356 Luis Martins de Borba and 
> #357 Mecia Lourenco Fagundes. 
> Thome Machado Fagundes #2 is Thome # 1's son. He married Francisca da Cruz in 
> 1690 in Santa Barbara and had a son Francisco in 1695 in Santa Barbara.
> Thome Machado Fagundes #3 was married to Agueda da Costa and both of them 
> died in Santa Barbara. They have a child name Maria Angelica who was the wife 
> of Jose Homem Borges. Jose was born in Quatros Ribeiras and Maria died in 
> Altares. Jose and Maria had a child named Francisco Jose Homem born in 
> Altares and died in Altares, Francisco married Josepha Catarina who was born 
> 1761 in Biscoitos, Terceira. Francisco and Josepha had a child named Antonio 
> in 1793 in Altares.
>  
> I was wondering if anyone had researched this family. I'm thinking that my 
> Thome #2 is the father of Thome #3. I have done no research on this line. All 
> of this information is from other people's research and had very little 
> supporting documentation. Luis Martins de Borba and Mecia Lourenco Fagundes 
> are part of my direct lineage and I'm confident that this information is 
> correct since it came from Joao Ventura and appears in my tree several times. 
> Any help would be appreciated. I'm just trying to keep all data orderly and 
> my connections straight. Doreen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Obit

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You're welcome. 



> On Jun 6, 2017, at 7:00 PM, JR  wrote:
> 
> Sorry Gayle and many thanks!
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 9:56:44 PM UTC-4, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> JR,
>> 
>> I think you're actually asking me not Linda. If not, excuse my intrusion.  
>> The website is:
>> ghp.ics.uminho.pt
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:51 PM, JR  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Linda, what is the site for Citcem?
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
 On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4, good...@aol.com wrote:
 Another typo. Sorry. It's Rosaria. 
 
 I think I'll stop now before I make any more mistakes.  ☺️
 
 
 
> On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Manuel Matos Jorge O Barata, native of Sao Mateus, died 8 Sep 1747 at 62 
> yrs. more or less. 
> 
> I don't see his wife listed, but it's very difficult reading the record 
> on the tiny screen of my phone. So, I went to CITCEM to verify the name 
> and date, especially since there seemed to be a word before Barata that I 
> couldn't get. The database confirmed what I had written. The database 
> lists the wife as Maria Rosario. Maybe this info will help a little. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am having a very difficult time with this obit for Manuel Matues 
>> Jorge, the second on the right page: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P77.html
>> 
>> It is very faded and I am not seeing any names for his wife or children.
>> 
>> Is anyone able to read anything?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Obit

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JR,

I think you're actually asking me not Linda. If not, excuse my intrusion.  The 
website is:
ghp.ics.uminho.pt

Gayle



> On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:51 PM, JR  wrote:
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> Linda, what is the site for Citcem?
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 9:45:14 PM UTC-4, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Another typo. Sorry. It's Rosaria. 
>> 
>> I think I'll stop now before I make any more mistakes.  ☺️
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sean,
>>> 
>>> Manuel Matos Jorge O Barata, native of Sao Mateus, died 8 Sep 1747 at 62 
>>> yrs. more or less. 
>>> 
>>> I don't see his wife listed, but it's very difficult reading the record on 
>>> the tiny screen of my phone. So, I went to CITCEM to verify the name and 
>>> date, especially since there seemed to be a word before Barata that I 
>>> couldn't get. The database confirmed what I had written. The database lists 
>>> the wife as Maria Rosario. Maybe this info will help a little. 
>>> 
>>> Gayle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I am having a very difficult time with this obit for Manuel Matues Jorge, 
 the second on the right page: 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P77.html
 
 It is very faded and I am not seeing any names for his wife or children.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Obit

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Another typo. Sorry. It's Rosaria. 

I think I'll stop now before I make any more mistakes.  ☺️



> On Jun 6, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> Manuel Matos Jorge O Barata, native of Sao Mateus, died 8 Sep 1747 at 62 yrs. 
> more or less. 
> 
> I don't see his wife listed, but it's very difficult reading the record on 
> the tiny screen of my phone. So, I went to CITCEM to verify the name and 
> date, especially since there seemed to be a word before Barata that I 
> couldn't get. The database confirmed what I had written. The database lists 
> the wife as Maria Rosario. Maybe this info will help a little. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am having a very difficult time with this obit for Manuel Matues Jorge, 
>> the second on the right page: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P77.html
>> 
>> It is very faded and I am not seeing any names for his wife or children.
>> 
>> Is anyone able to read anything?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Obit

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Oops-Borata not Barata. 



> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am having a very difficult time with this obit for Manuel Matues Jorge, the 
> second on the right page: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P77.html
> 
> It is very faded and I am not seeing any names for his wife or children.
> 
> Is anyone able to read anything?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Mateus Obit

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Sean,

Manuel Matos Jorge O Barata, native of Sao Mateus, died 8 Sep 1747 at 62 yrs. 
more or less. 

I don't see his wife listed, but it's very difficult reading the record on the 
tiny screen of my phone. So, I went to CITCEM to verify the name and date, 
especially since there seemed to be a word before Barata that I couldn't get. 
The database confirmed what I had written. The database lists the wife as Maria 
Rosario. Maybe this info will help a little. 

Gayle



> On Jun 6, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am having a very difficult time with this obit for Manuel Matues Jorge, the 
> second on the right page: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P77.html
> 
> It is very faded and I am not seeing any names for his wife or children.
> 
> Is anyone able to read anything?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

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But, if these were the same godparents (or even the same village) wouldn't they 
and/or the priest know the parents ? Thus, eliminating the condition of "pais 
incognitos." This is a tough situation. 

Gayle



> On May 23, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
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> Thanks for the information. My next question is do you think the godparents 
> were the original godparents from the baptism mentioned on the note? Which 
> means perhaps there is another baptism record. Or do you think those god 
> parents are from the second baptism and who would those people be in relation 
> to Manuel? Just random people picked by the church?
> 
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Maybe, maybe not. The baby could have been baptized at home. The record did 
>> not specify if it was a church baptism or one done at home. And if it was a 
>> church baptism, it will most likely say pais incognitos. The marriage and 
>> death records both say pais incognitos.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 7:56 AM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> That may be one of the coolest records I have ever seen! Now you gotta try 
>>> to look for the first baptism since it mentions that!
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

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Sean,

I'm using my iPhone so it's a bit small. But, from what I see it does say he 
was left at the home of Jose Silva and to be taken cared of for a period of 
seven years. The date is 16 Jan 1797. The godparents are Francisco Silveira 
Peixoto, son of Luisa Francisca, and Anna Thomasina, wife of Antonio Silva.  
The other name I believe was the priest. Maybe someone with a larger screen can 
complete the text for you. 

Gayle


> On May 22, 2017, at 9:43 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
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> Thank you you the information!
> 
> Cheri, I read through John's postings and found it very helpful, I even 
> noticed Exposto in his obit.
> 
> Gayle, I took your advice and searched for his birth record. I believe I may 
> have found it:
> 
> Top Left: 
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1793-1812/PIC-MD-CANDELARIA-B-1793-1812_item1/P80.html
> 
> I believe it says he was left at the house of Jose da Silva?
> 
> I am having a difficult time trying to read what it says and I can't 
> understand most of it. I see there are quite a few names but I can't figure 
> out their relationships with everyone else
> 
>> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 8:00:50 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> People can abandon their baby today. In my county and state, a baby can be 
>> left at a hospital or fire station, no questions asked. Back then, in the 
>> Azores, they left the baby at the church. Sometimes, they left the baby at 
>> someone's door step, but a lot of the time, it was the church.
>> 
>> The reason is probably the same then as it is now. The mother was unwed. She 
>> cannot provide for the child (she's too young, she has no means to support 
>> the baby) or perhaps her parents made her give the baby up. 
>> 
>> If your ancestor's parents came forward it would be noted in his baptism 
>> margin or in a book of legitimizations. If it's not there, then his parents 
>> never claimed him. The city paid a family to raise him for 7 years. At that 
>> point, he could chose to remain with the family or make his own way. Many of 
>> these children did not live. 
>> 
>> John Raposo wrote about this a few months ago. You can find his post here 
>> https://goo.gl/OyLyJT or you can search the forum/web board archive for 
>> "exposto roda" (without the quotes) and you will find a lot about this 
>> subject.
>> 
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>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

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Another thought: look in baptism records for him to be a godparent or witness 
in the year or two BEFORE his marriage. So, roughly 1820-March 1823. As a 
single man acting in either capacity, the record would state his parents (or at 
minimum, his father) if known.  

Gayle



> On May 22, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
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> Sean,
> 
> Seems like you'll have to go through the CCA site in Candelaria for 1797 give 
> or take a year to find Manuel's baptism. Unfortunately, the CITCEM site (for 
> both Sao Mateus and Concelho da Magadela) doesn't provide his parents, which 
> leads me to believe he was abandoned. Having said that, it could just as 
> easily be that the record in Candelaria was unreadable. Unlike Sao Mateus, 
> the Candelaria records are often in terrible condition-ink blots, severe 
> fading, torn pages, etc. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Here are the marriage and obit records of Manuel Jose de Araujo:
>> 
>> Marriage Top Right: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P106.html
>> 
>> Obit Bottom Left: 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1859-1875/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1859-1875_item1/P33.html
>> 
>> Both records state that his parents are unknown but don't seem to mention 
>> anyone that may have raised him.
>> 
>> His birth record says that he is from Sao Matues but was baptized in 
>> Candelaira but not much more information, or at least that i can translate.
>> 
>> In a situation like this, is there a way to find records of an orphan or 
>> possible relatives that may have raised him?
>> 
>> Any insight in why both parents are unknown including the mom? I have a few 
>> ideas in my head but would like to know if someone has come across this 
>> prior and what ideas they may have.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Sean
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unknown Parents

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Sean,

Seems like you'll have to go through the CCA site in Candelaria for 1797 give 
or take a year to find Manuel's baptism. Unfortunately, the CITCEM site (for 
both Sao Mateus and Concelho da Magadela) doesn't provide his parents, which 
leads me to believe he was abandoned. Having said that, it could just as easily 
be that the record in Candelaria was unreadable. Unlike Sao Mateus, the 
Candelaria records are often in terrible condition-ink blots, severe fading, 
torn pages, etc. 

Gayle


> On May 22, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Here are the marriage and obit records of Manuel Jose de Araujo:
> 
> Marriage Top Right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P106.html
> 
> Obit Bottom Left: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1859-1875/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1859-1875_item1/P33.html
> 
> Both records state that his parents are unknown but don't seem to mention 
> anyone that may have raised him.
> 
> His birth record says that he is from Sao Matues but was baptized in 
> Candelaira but not much more information, or at least that i can translate.
> 
> In a situation like this, is there a way to find records of an orphan or 
> possible relatives that may have raised him?
> 
> Any insight in why both parents are unknown including the mom? I have a few 
> ideas in my head but would like to know if someone has come across this prior 
> and what ideas they may have.
> 
> Thanks!
> Sean
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao/n de Mendoca, d. 1719. Sao Mateus, Pico

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Another one that sometimes causes confusion is Mancebo vs mancebo. The later 
meaning "the younger."  Not only can it be misinterpreted as a surname, but 
sometimes it gets translated as "junior," which may or may not be the case. 
But, if you're familiar with the Sao Mateus records, you're probably already 
seen it. I mention it for the benefit of the newbies in the group. 

Gayle



> On May 20, 2017, at 7:21 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
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> Okay. That is interesting. I have seen many cases in Sao Mateus where names 
> may be left lowercase however.  Interesting to know that homem has that 
> meaning!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sebastiao/n de Mendoca, d. 1719. Sao Mateus, Pico

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Thanks, Bill. I couldn't quite get the entire statement. Hard sometimes when 
reading on an iPhone. 

Gayle



> On May 20, 2017, at 5:55 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> The word "testemunha" is witness and is often see in baptisms and marriages.  
> In this record the similar abbreviations are for testament (last will) and 
> testamenteiro (executor of a will).
> 
> It says he "fez testamento" (abbr: testam.o), which means made a will; and 
> "deixou por testamenteiro" (abbr: testament.o) which mean left as the will's 
> executor, his son Manuel Ferreira (abbr M.el Frr.a)
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
>> On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 5:22:52 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> The date is 9 October 1719. But, no names of relatives that I see. I think 
>> there was a witness, Teo (?) son of Manuel Ferreira. CITCEM doesn't show any 
>> birthdate or parents. Wife is shown as Maria Francisca Maciel and lots of 
>> children. It confirms his death date. 
>> 
>> Hope that helps,
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find his name and date of death in the first few lines, but can't make 
>>> out the rest.  Does anyone see parent's or children's names in this Obito?
>>> 
>>> Seb(am) de Mendonca.
>>> Died 09 October(?) 1719
>>> At the age of 65 more or less.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sebastiao/n de Mendoca, d. 1719. Sao Mateus, Pico

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Jeremy, 

The word is not capitalized. The use of the lower case here, I believe, is to 
say a married "man." Homem sometimes, but not always, may be a surname. 

Gayle



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> Homem also appears to be part of his name. Sebastiao Mendonca Homem
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sebastiao/n de Mendoca, d. 1719. Sao Mateus, Pico

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Just looked at CITCEM again. It shows a son named Manuel Ferreira Pimentel born 
4 June 1693. That seems to support what another lister (sorry I didn't write 
down that person's name before I started typing this message ) just stated. 

Gayle



> On May 20, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  wrote:
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> Sorry, I forgot the link, and also spelled the surname incorrectly in the 
> title...it is Mendonca.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1671-1733/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1671-1733_item1/P58.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sebastiao/n de Mendoca, d. 1719. Sao Mateus, Pico

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Mary,

The date is 9 October 1719. But, no names of relatives that I see. I think 
there was a witness, Teo (?) son of Manuel Ferreira. CITCEM doesn't show any 
birthdate or parents. Wife is shown as Maria Francisca Maciel and lots of 
children. It confirms his death date. 

Hope that helps,

Gayle



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> I find his name and date of death in the first few lines, but can't make out 
> the rest.  Does anyone see parent's or children's names in this Obito?
> 
> Seb(am) de Mendonca.
> Died 09 October(?) 1719
> At the age of 65 more or less.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Doreen,

Thanks for sharing. I've been to the Tulare library and know how it works. 
(But, others on this list might not.)  I was only giving John more options in 
case his first plan didn't pan out. 

Gayle



> On Apr 6, 2017, at 8:54 AM, <doreencaet...@gmail.com> 
> <doreencaet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The Tulare City Library actual has a Genealogy room that is staffed with 
> volunteers.
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:11 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>  
> John,
>  
> Tulare does have a good genealogy section for their library. So, does the 
> downtown Fresno County Library with it's California section (although I had 
> heard that it might move or maybe has moved to the new, larger Woodward Park 
> Library. ) Just another option if the others don't pan out. 
>  
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:55 PM, John Vasconcelos <gfsjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Great idea Cheri, we need to figure out how to get them to you. Susan, I was 
> thinking about maybe donating them to the Freitas Library (after Cheri gets 
> them filmed), but after what you said, maybe I can donate them to a Kings 
> County historical organization of some type so it would be available locally. 
> I recall that Arlene Vierra Marcoux (who was born in the Hanford Area), 
> published her family genealogy and donated a copy to the Turlare County 
> Library which apparantly agreed to take that into their collection.. I found 
> Arlene's mother in the SPRSI books I have. So I'll copy her and get her input.
> John
>  
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> John, I think you should give them to me so I can take them to Salt Lake to 
> be filmed. Then they will have world wide distribution.
> 
> Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:32 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
>  
> I have been wondering the same thing John! I would not give them to these 
> organizations that have taken in the SPRSI and the others (Luso and PFSA) 
> I just don't think they will be interested in sharing the information with 
> people who are searching. This is just my intuition, not based on any 
> inquiry. I did try to find info on one of the men's groups once and the 
> person I talked to was not cooperative.
>  
> I have thought about the Freitas Library as I think they allow others to look 
> at them (I know Kathy Cardoza went there many years ago and got access to 
> UPEC) 
> I have also thought about the Portuguese History Museum in San Jose but don't 
> know exactly what their focus is.
>  
> I'm leaning on giving what I have to the Museum of Local History in Mission 
> San Jose as I like the idea of keeping them within the community where these 
> women lived and think that those who are really interested will probably 
> access their collection. 
>  
> I was responsible for my mom's cousin who died last year at age 95. She had 
> all the scrap books and the flag used in parades and the regalia that they 
> wore at meetings. I have already given them the flag and am making 
> arrangements right now to give the regalia. I hope to give the books also but 
> am not quite ready to give them up;)
>  
> I am concerned for the legacy of the books... That is why I bothered to carry 
> them to Salt Lake to be microfilmed. That makes me feel good to know if 
> someone really searches, they will find them! 
>  
> Susan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:58 PM, John Vasconcelos <gfsjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Susan and Celeste,
> My aunt, Maria E. Vasconcelos Sousa was a member and for many years, an 
> officer of Council 42 of the SRPSI in Hanford from at least 1916, until her 
> death in 1957. I have some two of her minutes books: one from 1916 to 1924  
> and the other from 1934 to 1941. Wondering to which organization I should 
> donate them to,
> John Vasconcelos
>  
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do Estado do California 
> (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal organization (U.P.P.E.C.) and was the 
> only organization I put into a database.  I think the S.P.R.S.I. joined Luso.
> 
>  The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one other 
> organization became P.F.S.A. (P

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

John,

Tulare does have a good genealogy section for their library. So, does the 
downtown Fresno County Library with it's California section (although I had 
heard that it might move or maybe has moved to the new, larger Woodward Park 
Library. ) Just another option if the others don't pan out. 

Gayle



> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:55 PM, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
> 
> Great idea Cheri, we need to figure out how to get them to you. Susan, I was 
> thinking about maybe donating them to the Freitas Library (after Cheri gets 
> them filmed), but after what you said, maybe I can donate them to a Kings 
> County historical organization of some type so it would be available locally. 
> I recall that Arlene Vierra Marcoux (who was born in the Hanford Area), 
> published her family genealogy and donated a copy to the Turlare County 
> Library which apparantly agreed to take that into their collection.. I found 
> Arlene's mother in the SPRSI books I have. So I'll copy her and get her 
> input. 
> John 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 7:24 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> John, I think you should give them to me so I can take them to Salt Lake to 
>> be filmed. Then they will have world wide distribution.
>> 
>> Cheri
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:32 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> I have been wondering the same thing John! I would not give them to these 
>>> organizations that have taken in the SPRSI and the others (Luso and 
>>> PFSA) I just don't think they will be interested in sharing the 
>>> information with people who are searching. This is just my intuition, not 
>>> based on any inquiry. I did try to find info on one of the men's groups 
>>> once and the person I talked to was not cooperative.
>>> 
>>> I have thought about the Freitas Library as I think they allow others to 
>>> look at them (I know Kathy Cardoza went there many years ago and got access 
>>> to UPEC) 
>>> I have also thought about the Portuguese History Museum in San Jose but 
>>> don't know exactly what their focus is.
>>> 
>>> I'm leaning on giving what I have to the Museum of Local History in Mission 
>>> San Jose as I like the idea of keeping them within the community where 
>>> these women lived and think that those who are really interested will 
>>> probably access their collection. 
>>> 
>>> I was responsible for my mom's cousin who died last year at age 95. She had 
>>> all the scrap books and the flag used in parades and the regalia that they 
>>> wore at meetings. I have already given them the flag and am making 
>>> arrangements right now to give the regalia. I hope to give the books also 
>>> but am not quite ready to give them up;)
>>> 
>>> I am concerned for the legacy of the books... That is why I bothered to 
>>> carry them to Salt Lake to be microfilmed. That makes me feel good to know 
>>> if someone really searches, they will find them! 
>>> 
>>> Susan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:58 PM, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
 
 Susan and Celeste,
 My aunt, Maria E. Vasconcelos Sousa was a member and for many years, an 
 officer of Council 42 of the SRPSI in Hanford from at least 1916, until 
 her death in 1957. I have some two of her minutes books: one from 1916 to 
 1924  and the other from 1934 to 1941. Wondering to which organization I 
 should donate them to,
 John Vasconcelos 
 
> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> The death records for the Union Portuguese Protetorda do Estado do 
> California (not sure of spelling) is the fraternal organization 
> (U.P.P.E.C.) and was the only organization I put into a database.  I 
> think the S.P.R.S.I. joined Luso.
> 
>  The U.P.P.E.C., the U.P.E.C., the I.D.E.S. and I think one other 
> organization became P.F.S.A. (Portuguese Fraternal Society of America.)
> 
> The one time I attempted to look at the S.P.R.S.I., (probably 20 years 
> ago) I was told the "old" records were somewhere in their basement and 
> they could not locate them.
> Celeste
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> On Sun, 3/19/17, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
>  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SPRSI Records
>  To: azores@googlegroups.com
>  Date: Sunday, March 19, 2017, 4:15 PM
> 
>  Celeste Perry had some,
>  but I don't remember which ladies organization.
>  Hopefully she'll answer soon.
>  On Mar 19, 2017 8:15
>  AM, "lisahbskt via Azores Genealogy" 
>  wrote:
>  Does anyone know if and

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Cool !



> On Mar 12, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
> 
> Gayle - you would be related to my husband, his brother and my 91 year old 
> mother in law!  She was very excited to know about her grandmother's origins. 
>  She has 3 other sisters still alive, out of 16 siblings.   I can send you an 
> obit from the library at Falmouth Massachusetts about Rose Emily Silvia.  She 
> was married to a man named John Joseph Silvia who apparently was also from 
> Pico.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:56:42 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
> Pico born approx 1863
>  
> P.S. If that tree pans out- we're related several times over. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am so sorry Cheri - 
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P177.html
>>  
>> From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Cheri 
>> Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:57:30 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
>> Pico born approx 1863
>>  
>> I don't see the URL to the baptism in question.
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> I appreciate everyone's kind help:)a I am trying hard to read Portuguese 
>>> and I apologize for my inadequate grasp of it.  I found an entry which I 
>>> think fits the Rosa I am looking for, although the father's name is spelled 
>>> Silveira (as Gayle cautioned me it is spelled different from Silvia). 
>>> Mother's name appears to be Anna Maria.
>>> 
>>> It then goes on to mention Maria Ignacio, Solteira, mother of Francisco O. 
>>> Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa? xxfather? Francisco Jose de Bettencourt 
>>> Vierra? farmer and xxmother Leonor ? who is dead?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:11:52 PM
>>> 
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
>>> Pico born approx 1863
>>>  
>>> You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually 
>>> allow you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only 
>>> a few of us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people 
>>> working on Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in 
>>> the Azores group is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. 
>>> My work has been Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. 
>>> So, if your path leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your 
>>> question. I do have Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that 
>>> surname as one possibility for Rosa. 
>>> 
>>> I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you 
>>> read the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames 
>>> did not necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do 
>>> here in the States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good 
>>> reading. Kathy or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you 
>>> ask. 
>>> 
>>> I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board. 
>>> 
>>> Happy researching,
>>> Gayle
>>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That You Gayle, That helps!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
>>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

P.S. If that tree pans out- we're related several times over. 

Gayle



> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
> 
> I am so sorry Cheri - 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P177.html
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com <azores@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Cheri 
> Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 1:57:30 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
> Pico born approx 1863
>  
> I don't see the URL to the baptism in question.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
>> I appreciate everyone's kind help:)a I am trying hard to read Portuguese and 
>> I apologize for my inadequate grasp of it.  I found an entry which I think 
>> fits the Rosa I am looking for, although the father's name is spelled 
>> Silveira (as Gayle cautioned me it is spelled different from Silvia). 
>> Mother's name appears to be Anna Maria.
>> 
>> It then goes on to mention Maria Ignacio, Solteira, mother of Francisco O. 
>> Bettencourt and Michaella Rosa? xxfather? Francisco Jose de Bettencourt 
>> Vierra? farmer and xxmother Leonor ? who is dead?
>> 
>>  
>> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 8:11:52 PM
>> 
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
>> Pico born approx 1863
>>  
>> You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually 
>> allow you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only 
>> a few of us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working 
>> on Sao Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the 
>> Azores group is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My 
>> work has been Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, 
>> if your path leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. 
>> I do have Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one 
>> possibility for Rosa. 
>> 
>> I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you 
>> read the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames 
>> did not necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do 
>> here in the States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good 
>> reading. Kathy or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you 
>> ask. 
>> 
>> I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board. 
>> 
>> Happy researching,
>> Gayle
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That You Gayle, That helps!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
>>> Pico born approx 1863
>>> 
>>> Mary Jane,
>>> 
>>> It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it 
>>> would be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records. 
>>> 
>>> Gayle
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia 
>>>> died June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents 
>>>> names were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  
>>>> from St. Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased 
>>>> her in 1926.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named 
>>>> St. Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
>>>> husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
>>>> v

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

You're welcome. When you finally nail down enough information to actually allow 
you to research Sao Mateus, feel free to ask for help. There are only a few of 
us here that research on Pico. There seem to be lots people working on Sao 
Miguel and Sao Jorge. A few on tiny Flores. But, everyone in the Azores group 
is friendly and helpful regardless of where they research. My work has been 
Candelaria, Sao Mateus, Lages, and a smidgen in Madalena. So, if your path 
leads in my direction. I'll do my best to answer your question. I do have 
Bettencourts from Sao Mateus. You mentioned that surname as one possibility for 
Rosa. 

I might also suggest before you go much further into the records, that you read 
the article on Naming Traditions. You may already know that surnames did not 
necessarily pass from father to all his offspring. It's what we do here in the 
States, but was not the norm in other parts of the world. Good reading. Kathy 
or Cheri can probably send you a link to the article if you ask. 

I was only going to have a one sentence response. Sorry I went over board. 

Happy researching,
Gayle

> On Mar 11, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
> 
> That You Gayle, That helps!
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message ----
> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Date: 3/10/17 10:04 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of 
> Pico born approx 1863
> 
> Mary Jane,
> 
> It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it 
> would be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records. 
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss <mg...@windermere.com> wrote:
> 
>> Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia 
>> died June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents 
>> names were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  
>> from St. Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased 
>> her in 1926.
>> 
>> 
>> Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
>> Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
>> husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
>> variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
>> Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info 
>> on the death certificate.  
>> 
>> 
>> We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
>> husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
>> Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.
>> 
>> 
>> Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot 
>> be learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.  
>> 
>> 
>> I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records 
>> on Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> Mary Jane
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rose E. Silvia born St. Mathews, Island of Pico born approx 1863

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Mary Jane,

It's highly doubtful that you'd find Silvia as a surname. More likely it would 
be Silva or Silveira. Both appear in the Sao Mateus records. 

Gayle



> On Mar 10, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Mary Jane Goss  wrote:
> 
> Information from a death certificate in Falmouth Mass shows Rose E. Silvia 
> died June 6, 1933 age 68 years 7 months 18 days.  It also says her parents 
> names were Manuel Silvia, from St. Mathews, Pico, and mother Anna Marcia  
> from St. Mathews, Pico.  She was the wife of Joseph Silvia who predeceased 
> her in 1926.
> 
> 
> Where might St. Mathews be? Is there a city on the island of Pico named St. 
> Mathews?  Also I am confused by the information because Silvia was her 
> husband's name.  Family lore says her maiden name was Bettencourt or some 
> variation there of.  The census information we have says  Jan 1863 was the 
> Month and Date of her birth but it doesn't seem to be working with the info 
> on the death certificate.  
> 
> 
> We know this is the right woman because the informant was her daughter.  Her 
> husband's name was reported as Joseph, but it appears it may have been John 
> Joseph Sylia.  The tombstones say Sylva.
> 
> 
> Joseph Sylvia died May 28, 1926 at age 55.  The parents names say  "Cannot be 
> learned" but do say he was born in Portugal.  
> 
> 
> I do not know if I have enough information yet to start looking at records on 
> Pico.  Any insight is appreciated.
> 
> 
> Mary Jane
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Parents of Joao da Costa

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes. They are. 



> On Mar 5, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Louie Avila  wrote:
> 
> Gayle,
> Is this the grand parents you mentioned in an earlier post?
> Louie
> 
>> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 11:46:57 AM UTC-8, Louie Avila wrote:
>> 
>> All (especially Gayle),
>> 
>> This is a link to Joao da Costa's baptism record (Pico, Sao Mateus)
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703_item1/P9.html
>> 
>> I am trying to decipher his parents names ... I see Manuel da Costa and 
>> Aguda Rosa. Do they appear correct?
>> 
>> Can someone look and comment, please?
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Parents of Joao da Costa

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Louie,

It is Manuel Costa. But, his wife is Agueda Rodrigues. The abbreviation Roiz. 
is being used. 

Gayle



> On Mar 5, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Louie Avila  wrote:
> 
> 
> All (especially Gayle),
> 
> This is a link to Joao da Costa's baptism record (Pico, Sao Mateus)
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1673-1703_item1/P9.html
> 
> I am trying to decipher his parents names ... I see Manuel da Costa and Aguda 
> Rosa. Do they appear correct?
> 
> Can someone look and comment, please?
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Costa and Anna de Sousa

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Louie,

Let me know if you find anything new on this couple and their lines. I'd 
appreciate it. 

Gayle



> On Mar 4, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Louie Avila  wrote:
> 
> Gayle,
> 
> This is great info! Thank you!
> 
> I have found lots of data on the CCA for Sao Jorge that is not in CITCEM so 
> that doesn't surprise me.
> 
> I have been studying a little history of Topo on Sao George ... that end of 
> the island had virtually no roads to the other parts of the island because of 
> the steep terrain. Therefore, before there was a church, Topo folks had to go 
> to other locations for baptisms, marriages, etc. The architecture and people 
> of Topo were very much like Terceira ... so they traveled by boat to Terceira 
> for Church sacraments as well as other parts of Sao Jorge and Pico.
> 
> It's all like a big giant puzzle ... just waiting for us to solve!
> Louie
> 
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 7:09:32 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Louie,
>> 
>> Their marriage date does not appear in CITCEM, so you're likely not to find 
>> the record. Their first child, Maria, was born in 1698 so 1697-98 is a good 
>> estimate. Joao' brother Manuel (b. 8 Feb. 1682) is my ancestral line. I show 
>> Joao's birth as 12 May 1678.
>> 
>> I hope that what little info. I have helps. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Louie Avila  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gayle,
>>> 
>>> Yes, They are my 6X great grand parents on my mothers side.
>>> I did find their parents, Joao (Joam) da Costa and Maria Gracia from 
>>> Manuels birth / Baptism record 13Feb1700.
>>> Do you addition ancestors beyond that?
>>> I was looking on Pico for Joao and Marias marriage record but have yet to 
>>> find it.
>>> 
>>> Louie
>>> 
>>> 
 On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:50:17 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:
 Louie, 
 
 Is this couple part of your line ? His grandparents are my ancestors. Just 
 curious. 
 
 Gayle 
 
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Costa and Anna de Sousa

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Louie,

Their marriage date does not appear in CITCEM, so you're likely not to find the 
record. Their first child, Maria, was born in 1698 so 1697-98 is a good 
estimate. Joao' brother Manuel (b. 8 Feb. 1682) is my ancestral line. I show 
Joao's birth as 12 May 1678.

I hope that what little info. I have helps. 

Gayle



> On Mar 4, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Louie Avila  wrote:
> 
> Gayle,
> 
> Yes, They are my 6X great grand parents on my mothers side.
> I did find their parents, Joao (Joam) da Costa and Maria Gracia from Manuels 
> birth / Baptism record 13Feb1700.
> Do you addition ancestors beyond that?
> I was looking on Pico for Joao and Marias marriage record but have yet to 
> find it.
> 
> Louie
> 
> 
>> On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 9:50:17 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Louie, 
>> 
>> Is this couple part of your line ? His grandparents are my ancestors. Just 
>> curious.  
>> 
>> Gayle 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Mar 2, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Louie Avila  wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Thanks Mara! 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Costa and Anna de Sousa

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Louie,

Is this couple part of your line ? His grandparents are my ancestors. Just 
curious. 

Gayle



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A little help Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

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Sam,

I see the 8th as the birthday and the 16th as the date of baptism. 

Gayle



> On Feb 18, 2017, at 3:31 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> These grandparents are new names or me so any help clarify the spellings 
> would be appreciated.  Also, not sure about the date.
>  
> It is Rosa, top left one.
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1797-1810/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1797-1810_item1/P36.html
>  
> I believe it is: 
>  
> Rosa daughter of Manoel Jose Coelho and Francisca Rosa
> Born on:  8 January 1903
> Paternal grandparents:  Ignacio Coelho and Ignes de Sarmento
> Maternal grandparents:  Gergorio de Perez and Margarida Francisca
> 6th line from the bottom:  Godfather:  Antonio Jose is the brother of the 
> mother of the baptized Rosa.  (Brother to Francisca Rosa)
>  
> Many thanks for your thoughts on this one,
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Cunha Americanized

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Jeremy,

I can't answer your question. I just wanted to mention that Machado often 
became Marshall. In my family, it went Machado to Marshall and back to Machado. 

Gayle Machado



> On Feb 16, 2017, at 9:27 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
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> Does anyone have any ideas or knowledge as to how Cunha may have been changed 
> in the U.S.? (like Machado often became Martin)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bartolomeu Vieira Mamão

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Karl,

NEPS shows a death date for Maria. Have you found her obit ? It might help, 
although I don't hold out much hope. The 1600s records are sparse on details, 
unlike the 1800s which offer up pearls. 

Sorry, I'm late in responding. I'm trying to clear 1400 messages in my inbox. 
Got a little behind while finishing another project. 

Another thought. If you don't mind reading every baptism record (not just your 
ancestors) you can sometimes find parents by looking for the son acting as a 
witness or godparent prior to his own wedding. Depends on time period. But, you 
could look to see if Bartolomeu ..., single son of ..., shows up. 

Good luck,
Gayle


> On Feb 3, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Karl Laux  wrote:
> 
> Barbara Pereira born in Prainha, Ilha do Pico, baptized in 2 feb 1666
> Francisco Vieira Mamão, Prainha, ILha do Pico, baptized in 14 dec 1670
> Agueda Mamão also Prainha, Ilha do Pico, baptized in 23 oct 1675
> 
> Their parents Bartolomeu and Maria are my 10th grand parents
> 
> Thank you for your reply
> 
>> On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 12:46:51 PM UTC-2, Karl Laux wrote:
>> Does anybody have any info on Bartolomeu Vieira Mamão? He is married to 
>> Maria Pereira, parents of Barbara, Maria, Francisco, Aguida and Angela
>> Bartolomeu and Maria are my brick wall, and for years I can"t advance my 
>> search on them.
>> Any information is welcome
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

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Louie,

Before you actually get to this page, assuming you're the one going through the 
process as opposed to someone simply sending you a link to this one page, there 
will be a page with a slew of flags near the top of the page. If you click on 
the Union Jack, the subsequent pages will appear in English. It might clear up 
the confusion for this record. 

If you know this already, then I apologize for taking up your time. 

Continued good luck with your research. 

Gayle



> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  wrote:
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> Cheri,
> 
> Here is the site ...
> 
> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
> 
> Louie
> 
>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
>> 
>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte 
>> Grande. 
>> 
>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original records. 
>> You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any link.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
>>> wrote:
>>> While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:
>>> 
>>> José Francisco Azevedo
>>> 
>>> Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
>>> Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
>>> Age at death: 63 years old
>>> Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

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Cheri,

The confusion may stem from the book to database transition. In Amorim's book, 
the genealogical info was shown as an appendix. Children of unknown parentage 
were not listed. (Only family groups appeared.) Maybe some slipped in, but not 
many. The database allowed more fields to be included, so more people were 
listed, e.g. a parent born in a different village appears in the database but 
not in the appendix. And, they linked up the families in a "friendlier" format 
compared to the codes shown in the appendix. 

For me, one of the frustrations has been when a person, e.g. father, is listed 
but birth is attributed to a different freguesia and then in the records for 
that village he is listed as born in the first freguesia or does not appear at 
all. In other words, the cross referencing sometimes misses the mark. Which 
begs the question "Who messed up ?" The priest ? The transcriber ? Or, 
regardless of the person, was it simply a case of too much vinho as you like to 
say ?

Ok, it's a bit late for standing on a soap box, so I'll close by wishing you 
Happy Holidays. 

Take care,

Gayle





> On Dec 18, 2016, at 12:20 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gayle, I know they have added some. I know the initial project didn't really 
> include them. Or maybe it's only some freguesias. I don't utilize the 
> database that much because I don't have family there. I use it to help 
> researchers here. So you would know more than I would. I remember in the 
> beginning they skipped over the "pai incognito" or "pais incognitos." So you 
> know more than me! So if they include them now, then I stand corrected. 
> Thanks!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:16 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Cheri,
>> 
>> I hate to disagree with you as your track record is so good, but there are 
>> children without fathers listed. Maybe not all are listed. In fact, some are 
>> listed without either parent as in the case of expostos. 
>> 
>> At least, in the records for Pico where I did my research. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of Minho. 
>>> It was a sociology study there at that university. They were compiling 
>>> records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children who had 
>>> no fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and were a part 
>>> of society). A woman on this list was there doing research when this 
>>> project was going on. She saw the students. Not only does the opportunity 
>>> for human error come into play, she said that she observed some of them 
>>> flirting and what not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
>>> 
>>> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it kinda 
>>> looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the record on 
>>> the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do the legwork 
>>> and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
>>> 
>>> Cheri
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
>>>> <louielouieo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Cheri,
>>>> 
>>>> Here is the site ...
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
>>>> 
>>>> Louie
>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte 
>>>>> Grande. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original 
>>>>> records. You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any 
>>>>> link.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribei

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

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Cheri,

I hate to disagree with you as your track record is so good, but there are 
children without fathers listed. Maybe not all are listed. In fact, some are 
listed without either parent as in the case of expostos. 

At least, in the records for Pico where I did my research. 

Gayle



> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of Minho. 
> It was a sociology study there at that university. They were compiling 
> records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children who had no 
> fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and were a part of 
> society). A woman on this list was there doing research when this project was 
> going on. She saw the students. Not only does the opportunity for human error 
> come into play, she said that she observed some of them flirting and what 
> not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors.
> 
> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it kinda 
> looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the record on 
> the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do the legwork 
> and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?)
> 
> Cheri
> 
> 
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
>> wrote:
>> Cheri,
>> 
>> Here is the site ...
>> 
>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca=pt=NG=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo=PN
>> 
>> Louie
>> 
>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS)
>>> 
>>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not Norte 
>>> Grande. 
>>> 
>>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original records. 
>>> You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any link.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh  
 wrote:
 While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this:
 
 José Francisco Azevedo
 
 Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves
 Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda
 Age at death: 63 years old
 Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents?
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

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You're welcome. I don't know how much you do (or don't) know at this stage. So, 
I may say something unnecessary. Pardon me if I do.  Here goes: since these are 
transcribed by others, there can be errors. Always verify transcribed records 
by going back to the original documents. 

You seem to be doing pretty well from what I've observed. Continued good luck 
with your research. 

Gayle



> On Dec 9, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
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> Thanks Gayle, that was really helpful :)
> 
> Samantha
> 
>> On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:51:55 PM UTC-8, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Samantha,
>> 
>> I know you're looking for Joaquim, but I noticed that CITCEM has info on 
>> Maria Delfina in Piedade. Do you need it ?
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all (the newbie is back)
>>> 
>>> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
>>> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
>>> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
>>> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
>>> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
>>> 
>>> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> 
>>> Terceira -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were 
>>> records which doesn't seem the case here.)
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] First time researching Tombo.pt records (Fontinhas of Terceira)

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Samantha,

I know you're looking for Joaquim, but I noticed that CITCEM has info on Maria 
Delfina in Piedade. Do you need it ?

Gayle



> On Dec 8, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Samantha B  wrote:
> 
> Hi all (the newbie is back)
> 
> I'm still on the hunt for my husband's grandfather Joaquim Benedicto. I'm 
> specifically looking for a baptism record for him from about 1874. He 
> (hopefully, it's him) "from Fontinhas of Terceira ... and is ... the 
> legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and Maria Delfina 
> native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico."
> 
> My first question is, would I be looking through tombo.pt Acores -> Terceira 
> -> Angra do Heroismo -> Nossa Senhora do Pilar? (If there were records which 
> doesn't seem the case here.)
> 
> Thanks
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Margin Notes

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Jeremy,

I'll give it a shot, but I'm looking at the records on my phone, so take it 
with a grain of salt. 
1) 10 June 1949
2) 18 April 1959
3) 18 February 1949

I'm sure that someone with a better viewer will (hopefully) correct me if I'm 
wrong.

Gayle



> On Nov 24, 2016, at 8:07 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' 
> via Azores Genealogy  wrote:
> 
> Hello, and Happy Thanksgiving!
> 
> I would really appreciate it if anyone could please help with what the dates 
> of death are on the following 3 baptismal records.
> 
> 1) MARGIN NOTE FOR: Marianna
> 2) MARGIN NOTE FOR: Joao
> 3) MARGIN NOTE FOR: Antonio
> 
> for two of them It looks like 1949, and the other appears to be April 19_9 
> but Im not even sure I got that much correct!
> 
> 
> Many, many thanks to anyone who could offer any assistance in the matter.
> 
> Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Obito - Sebastiao Mendonca, of Sao Mateus, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

You are correct. Recall that spellings have changed over time. The "am" became 
"ao" in names, e.g. Joam became Joao. Here it's Sebastiam which now would be 
Sebastiao. Hope that helps. 

Gayle



> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:19 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> I could use a little help with this one.Left page, the bottom entry:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1671-1733/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1671-1733_item1/P58.html
> 
> I believe, but wish to confirm, that this is the obito for Sebastiao 
> Mendonca.  The way the name is written is a little strange to me, it looks 
> like Seb.am, so I'm not sure it is him but think so.  The date ties with what 
> is on the UMinho site.  
> 
> Date of death is 09 Oct 1719, and his age is 65 years more or less.  Beyond 
> that, I cannot make out much of what it is saying.  If anyone can pick out 
> any other pertinent facts or names,  I would appreciate the help.  
> 
> thank you,
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PICO baptism - help with names

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CITCEM says: Jose Silveira Brum. Also, his wife is shown as Maria Josefa Jesus. 

Ana Josefa's birthday as 26 Feb 1819 in Calheta de Nesquim. 

More info for you to verify. 

Gayle



> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:12 PM, JR  wrote:
> 
> I will add:
> 
> Materna, Joze Silveira de Brum (or possibly Brito, but not likely) e sua mer. 
> - not stated.
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 2:52:49 PM UTC-5, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Eliseu,
>> 
>> From the record I saw:Manuel Inacio and Ana Josefa as parents. Grandparents 
>> as Manuel Pereira Areia and Maria Inacia. Then checking against CITCEM, the 
>> father's name was shown as Manuel Inacio Oliveira Areia. 
>> 
>> Maria married Jose Francisco Freitas Vieira Fontes. Does this jive with your 
>> records ?
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Need help with the reading of this record up right: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1844-1856/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1844-1856_item1/P112.html
>>> 
>>> “Maria filha de Manuel? …?  e sua mulher Ana Josefa…”
>>> 
>>> It says her grandfather baptized her at home. His name is Manuel? Pereira 
>>> …? E de sua mulher Maria …?”
>>> 
>>> Thank in advance J
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
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>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] PICO baptism - help with names

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Eliseu,

>From the record I saw:Manuel Inacio and Ana Josefa as parents. Grandparents as 
>Manuel Pereira Areia and Maria Inacia. Then checking against CITCEM, the 
>father's name was shown as Manuel Inacio Oliveira Areia. 

Maria married Jose Francisco Freitas Vieira Fontes. Does this jive with your 
records ?

Gayle



> On Nov 12, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Need help with the reading of this record up right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1844-1856/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1844-1856_item1/P112.html
> “Maria filha de Manuel? …?  e sua mulher Ana Josefa…”
> It says her grandfather baptized her at home. His name is Manuel? Pereira …? 
> E de sua mulher Maria …?”
> Thank in advance J
>  
> Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
> “Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources”
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation

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Mike,

Bill has it, better than I could. CITCEM does show a first wife for Jose with 2 
children from that marriage and 3 children with his second wife. 

Gayle



> On Sep 30, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Mike  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Gayle, does the rest of it say anything interesting?
> 
>> On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:36:21 AM UTC-4, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Mike,
>> 
>> You have the name and date correct. (I double checked what I read here 
>> against CITCEM.) Is the date what you were questioning ?
>> 
>> I noticed that, according to CITCEM, Jose died 3 days shy of his 93rd 
>> birthday. That was a long life in the 1890s. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not very good at finding anything but I'm pretty sure this is my 
>>> GGGgrandfather's obituary Jose Leal da Rosa It should say Jan 16, 1899
>>> 
>>> The first link it's on the bottom of page then next page it carries to the 
>>> top of next page. I'm really hoping after all this time I found one on my 
>>> own.
>>> Thank You so much Mike
>>> Piedade, Pico,  Cedros Fayal
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P157.html
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P158.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation

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Mike,

You have the name and date correct. (I double checked what I read here against 
CITCEM.) Is the date what you were questioning ?

I noticed that, according to CITCEM, Jose died 3 days shy of his 93rd birthday. 
That was a long life in the 1890s. 

Gayle



> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 
> I'm not very good at finding anything but I'm pretty sure this is my 
> GGGgrandfather's obituary Jose Leal da Rosa It should say Jan 16, 1899
> 
> The first link it's on the bottom of page then next page it carries to the 
> top of next page. I'm really hoping after all this time I found one on my own.
> Thank You so much Mike
> Piedade, Pico,  Cedros Fayal
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P157.html
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P158.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

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Not on Angela's list. 



> On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:40 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Manuel is on the list. Go to bed and look tomorrow.
> 
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> Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 9:54 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> I've got Balthazar and Appolonia, no Vielminha. I have Bartolomeu on both my 
>> Azorean and Italian lines. 
>> 
>> Stopping note now as my Maine Coon is trying to assist me while typing. 
>> Taken 3 minutes to get out 3 lines somewhat grammatical. At least I'm now 
>> getting some musical accompaniment as I'm signing off. Purrr 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gayle,
>>> 
>>> Eugenia!  don't think I've seen that one.  I have seen "Aida."  Those wacky 
>>> Victorian era parents--no old fashioned Balthazars (approved) or 
>>> Apolonarias (not approved) for them!   I had a great aunt Vielminha (not 
>>> approved), and I recently started wondering if there was some sort of 
>>> German fad in the 19th c to account for all the Gertrudes and if possibly 
>>> Vielminha was a variation on Wilhelmina.   Saint's names (like Joanna or 
>>> Barbara) usually fall as Portuguese on my ears.  But, I had a Portuguese 
>>> friend in kindergarten (Joanne; Joana is approved) who's mom was named 
>>> "MaryAnn", and until early this week it had never occurred to me that she 
>>> was probably named for a "Marianna" (approved) in her family I'd just 
>>> been amazed that she had such a modern, American-as-apple-pie name for 
>>> someone so culturally Portuguese.  Anyway... names!  yup.
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 8:49:44 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> Linda,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the context of the conversation. I do know that when I was 
>>>> doing my research, I found names on Pico that I did not think would be 
>>>> "traditionally" Portuguese. Joanna, Barbara and Eugenia come to mind. The 
>>>> last one caused a fellow researcher to insist I couldn't possibly be 
>>>> reading the record correctly until I produced it. You never know what the 
>>>> motivations were for choosing names. While the given names may be 
>>>> interesting, the alcunhas in the records are positively fascinating. 
>>>> 
>>>> Gayle
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Gayle,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheri answered your question, but for context: I mentioned "Gertrudes" 
>>>>> because in the records I've looked at, it seemed to be an extremely 
>>>>> popular name for girls in the late 19th century-- something I would never 
>>>>> have guessed.   The article Cheri linked to stated that "As far as 
>>>>> tradition, the law favors names that are traditionally Portuguese,"  and 
>>>>> I was curious whether "Gertrudes" made the list or not.  I guess that 
>>>>> historically popular doesn't automatically  mean "traditionally 
>>>>> Portuguese"
>>>>> 
>>>>> :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> Linda
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>>>> I've apparently missed the beginning of this conversation, so I'm 
>>>>>> curious as to your interpretation of "modern." I have in my database a 
>>>>>> woman whose name was Gertrudes born in 1727 in Candelaria, Pico. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gayle
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:52 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ...but "Gertrudes" is not.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> :D
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:11:57 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Jorge" is OK
>>&g

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

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I've got Balthazar and Appolonia, no Vielminha. I have Bartolomeu on both my 
Azorean and Italian lines. 

Stopping note now as my Maine Coon is trying to assist me while typing. Taken 3 
minutes to get out 3 lines somewhat grammatical. At least I'm now getting some 
musical accompaniment as I'm signing off. Purrr 



> On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:32 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> Gayle,
> 
> Eugenia!  don't think I've seen that one.  I have seen "Aida."  Those wacky 
> Victorian era parents--no old fashioned Balthazars (approved) or Apolonarias 
> (not approved) for them!   I had a great aunt Vielminha (not approved), and I 
> recently started wondering if there was some sort of German fad in the 19th c 
> to account for all the Gertrudes and if possibly Vielminha was a variation on 
> Wilhelmina.   Saint's names (like Joanna or Barbara) usually fall as 
> Portuguese on my ears.  But, I had a Portuguese friend in kindergarten 
> (Joanne; Joana is approved) who's mom was named "MaryAnn", and until early 
> this week it had never occurred to me that she was probably named for a 
> "Marianna" (approved) in her family I'd just been amazed that she had 
> such a modern, American-as-apple-pie name for someone so culturally 
> Portuguese.  Anyway... names!  yup.
> 
> :)
> Linda
> 
>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 8:49:44 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Linda,
>> 
>> Thanks for the context of the conversation. I do know that when I was doing 
>> my research, I found names on Pico that I did not think would be 
>> "traditionally" Portuguese. Joanna, Barbara and Eugenia come to mind. The 
>> last one caused a fellow researcher to insist I couldn't possibly be reading 
>> the record correctly until I produced it. You never know what the 
>> motivations were for choosing names. While the given names may be 
>> interesting, the alcunhas in the records are positively fascinating. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, linda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Gayle,
>>> 
>>> Cheri answered your question, but for context: I mentioned "Gertrudes" 
>>> because in the records I've looked at, it seemed to be an extremely popular 
>>> name for girls in the late 19th century-- something I would never have 
>>> guessed.   The article Cheri linked to stated that "As far as tradition, 
>>> the law favors names that are traditionally Portuguese,"  and I was curious 
>>> whether "Gertrudes" made the list or not.  I guess that historically 
>>> popular doesn't automatically  mean "traditionally Portuguese"
>>> 
>>> :D
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
 On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
 I've apparently missed the beginning of this conversation, so I'm curious 
 as to your interpretation of "modern." I have in my database a woman whose 
 name was Gertrudes born in 1727 in Candelaria, Pico. 
 
 Gayle
 
 
 
> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:52 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> ...but "Gertrudes" is not.
> 
> :D
> 
> Linda
> 
>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:11:57 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>> "Jorge" is OK
>> 
>> L.
>> 
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, George Sousa wrote:
>>> ... and George is not... In fact (if I read this correctly) many of our 
>>> ancestors names are not on the list. I find this practice extremely odd.
>>> 
 On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:41 AM, 'Doris Mello' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 Doris is OK.
 
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 On Sep 15, 2016 10:29 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 Oh this IS cool! Thanks for posting it Cheri! I downloaded the pdf of 
 names - it will be a useful tool. Love the article,
 
 On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:24:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:
 This came up once before and Eliseu shared the list of acceptable 
 names for children today in Portugal. Here is a little write up in the 
 "Portuguese American Journal" about names today. It also contains a 
 link to the list that Eliseu previously provided. https://goo.gl/OwuQCF
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

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Manuel is not on the list ? How can that be ?!  I think every one of my 
ancestors had at least one son named Manuel. Almost always the first son. 



> On Sep 16, 2016, at 2:01 AM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
> 
> Nowadays you see such names that normally weren't allowed to be given to a 
> portuguese baby unless one of the parents was foreign and the name was legal 
> in that country. A friend of mine and her husband are both portuguese and 
> last year they named their baby Yasmin. 
> 
> But still, the top 5 names remain tradicional: 
> F Maria 5324 
> F Leonor 1999 
> F Matilde 1889 
> F Beatriz 1268 
> F Carolina 1228
> 
> M João 1932 
> M Martim 1778 
> M Rodrigo 1666 
> M Santiago 1632 
> M Francisco 1593 
> 
> (https://www.publico.pt/ficheiros/detalhe/os-nomes-dos-bebes-que-nasceram-em-2015-20160104-215156)
> 
> 2016-09-16 6:29 GMT+01:00 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy 
> :
>> Oh this IS cool! Thanks for posting it Cheri! I downloaded the pdf of names 
>> - it will be a useful tool. Love the article,
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:24:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> This came up once before and Eliseu shared the list of acceptable names for 
>>> children today in Portugal. Here is a little write up in the "Portuguese 
>>> American Journal" about names today. It also contains a link to the list 
>>> that Eliseu previously provided. https://goo.gl/OwuQCF
>>> Cheri Mello
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>>> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Unfortunately, my student wouldn't have answered to Fook. 





> On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I had a Vietnamese Phuc. On the seating chart I wrote Fook so no 
> substitute would embarrass him. And I've had plenty where I felt bad for the 
> kid whose parents thought they were being cute. Poor kid had to walk through 
> life like that! No wonder some governments step in because some parents have 
> no common sense!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
> Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:01 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Cheri,
>> 
>> Thank you for the clarification, but as teachers you and I have probably 
>> seen names that have never before been seen (or will ever be again.) I've a 
>> mental notebook of some that fall under the heading of "What were his/her 
>> parents thinking ?" as well as some where "Clearly, the parents were either 
>> illiterate or had no understanding of masculine/feminine spellings."  And, 
>> then there are perfectly good names in other countries that don't sound 
>> great here. One, of my students' name was Phuc and I'll leave it to you to 
>> say it aloud. I had to for an entire year. 
>> 
>> I have had a "Gertie" in class, short for Gertrude, but don't know if she 
>> was Portuguese or not. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gayle,
>>> 
>>> Modern as in names you can name your baby today.
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
>>> Achada
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:13 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> I've apparently missed the beginning of this conversation, so I'm curious 
>>>> as to your interpretation of "modern." I have in my database a woman whose 
>>>> name was Gertrudes born in 1727 in Candelaria, Pico. 
>>>> 
>>>> Gayle
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:52 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ...but "Gertrudes" is not.
>>>>> 
>>>>> :D
>>>>> 
>>>>> Linda
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:11:57 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>>>>> "Jorge" is OK
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> L.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, George Sousa wrote:
>>>>>>> ... and George is not... In fact (if I read this correctly) many of our 
>>>>>>> ancestors names are not on the list. I find this practice extremely odd.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:41 AM, 'Doris Mello' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>>>>> <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Doris is OK.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2016 10:29 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>>>>> <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oh this IS cool! Thanks for posting it Cheri! I downloaded the pdf of 
>>>>>>>> names - it will be a useful tool. Love the article,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:24:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> This came up once before and Eliseu shared the list of acceptable 
>>>>>>>> names for children today in Portugal. Here is a little write up in the 
>>>>>>>> "Portuguese American Journal" about names today. It also contains a 
>>>>>>>> link to the list that Eliseu previously provided. https://goo.gl/OwuQCF
>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Linda,

Thanks for the context of the conversation. I do know that when I was doing my 
research, I found names on Pico that I did not think would be "traditionally" 
Portuguese. Joanna, Barbara and Eugenia come to mind. The last one caused a 
fellow researcher to insist I couldn't possibly be reading the record correctly 
until I produced it. You never know what the motivations were for choosing 
names. While the given names may be interesting, the alcunhas in the records 
are positively fascinating. 

Gayle



> On Sep 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gayle,
> 
> Cheri answered your question, but for context: I mentioned "Gertrudes" 
> because in the records I've looked at, it seemed to be an extremely popular 
> name for girls in the late 19th century-- something I would never have 
> guessed.   The article Cheri linked to stated that "As far as tradition, the 
> law favors names that are traditionally Portuguese,"  and I was curious 
> whether "Gertrudes" made the list or not.  I guess that historically popular 
> doesn't automatically  mean "traditionally Portuguese"
> 
> :D
> 
> Linda
> 
>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 6:13:32 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> I've apparently missed the beginning of this conversation, so I'm curious as 
>> to your interpretation of "modern." I have in my database a woman whose name 
>> was Gertrudes born in 1727 in Candelaria, Pico. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:52 PM, linda  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...but "Gertrudes" is not.
>>> 
>>> :D
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
 On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:11:57 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
 "Jorge" is OK
 
 L.
 
> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, George Sousa wrote:
> ... and George is not... In fact (if I read this correctly) many of our 
> ancestors names are not on the list. I find this practice extremely odd.
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:41 AM, 'Doris Mello' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Doris is OK.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>> On Sep 15, 2016 10:29 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Oh this IS cool! Thanks for posting it Cheri! I downloaded the pdf of 
>> names - it will be a useful tool. Love the article,
>> 
>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:24:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> This came up once before and Eliseu shared the list of acceptable names 
>> for children today in Portugal. Here is a little write up in the 
>> "Portuguese American Journal" about names today. It also contains a link 
>> to the list that Eliseu previously provided. https://goo.gl/OwuQCF
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri,

Thank you for the clarification, but as teachers you and I have probably seen 
names that have never before been seen (or will ever be again.) I've a mental 
notebook of some that fall under the heading of "What were his/her parents 
thinking ?" as well as some where "Clearly, the parents were either illiterate 
or had no understanding of masculine/feminine spellings."  And, then there are 
perfectly good names in other countries that don't sound great here. One, of my 
students' name was Phuc and I'll leave it to you to say it aloud. I had to for 
an entire year. 

I have had a "Gertie" in class, short for Gertrude, but don't know if she was 
Portuguese or not. 

Gayle



> On Sep 16, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gayle,
> 
> Modern as in names you can name your baby today.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
> Achada
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:13 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> I've apparently missed the beginning of this conversation, so I'm curious as 
>> to your interpretation of "modern." I have in my database a woman whose name 
>> was Gertrudes born in 1727 in Candelaria, Pico. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:52 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...but "Gertrudes" is not.
>>> 
>>> :D
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:11:57 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>>>> "Jorge" is OK
>>>> 
>>>> L.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, George Sousa wrote:
>>>>> ... and George is not... In fact (if I read this correctly) many of our 
>>>>> ancestors names are not on the list. I find this practice extremely odd.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:41 AM, 'Doris Mello' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>>> <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Doris is OK.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>>>> On Sep 15, 2016 10:29 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>>> <azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Oh this IS cool! Thanks for posting it Cheri! I downloaded the pdf of 
>>>>>> names - it will be a useful tool. Love the article,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:24:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>> This came up once before and Eliseu shared the list of acceptable names 
>>>>>> for children today in Portugal. Here is a little write up in the 
>>>>>> "Portuguese American Journal" about names today. It also contains a link 
>>>>>> to the list that Eliseu previously provided. https://goo.gl/OwuQCF
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

I've apparently missed the beginning of this conversation, so I'm curious as to 
your interpretation of "modern." I have in my database a woman whose name was 
Gertrudes born in 1727 in Candelaria, Pico. 

Gayle



> On Sep 16, 2016, at 4:52 PM, linda  wrote:
> 
> ...but "Gertrudes" is not.
> 
> :D
> 
> Linda
> 
>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 4:11:57 PM UTC-7, linda wrote:
>> "Jorge" is OK
>> 
>> L.
>> 
>>> On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 9:53:46 AM UTC-7, George Sousa wrote:
>>> ... and George is not... In fact (if I read this correctly) many of our 
>>> ancestors names are not on the list. I find this practice extremely odd.
>>> 
 On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:41 AM, 'Doris Mello' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 Doris is OK.
 
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
 On Sep 15, 2016 10:29 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy 
  wrote:
 Oh this IS cool! Thanks for posting it Cheri! I downloaded the pdf of 
 names - it will be a useful tool. Love the article,
 
 On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:24:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
 This came up once before and Eliseu shared the list of acceptable names 
 for children today in Portugal. Here is a little write up in the 
 "Portuguese American Journal" about names today. It also contains a link 
 to the list that Eliseu previously provided. https://goo.gl/OwuQCF
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism translation please. searching for Maria Theresa Maciel, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Susan,

It says essentially: Maria was baptized on 3 Sep 1865 but born 21 Aug 1865 at 9 
o'clock (here's where my skills are deplete-am or pm ?) , daughter of Antonio 
Pereira da Rosa, farmer, and Maria Theresa, housewife. Both from this village. 
(It actually says that separately for each person which is a bit odd since 
they're not from different places. ) The paternal grandparents were Jose 
Pereira da Rosa and Maria Francisca. The maternal grandparents were Jose 
Rodrigues Maciel and Naria Theresa. The godparents were Jose Rodrigues Maciel, 
single, farmer, and Anna Theresa, single. 

This record is very nicely written out. My suggestion would be for you to spend 
time working it out using the list of genealogical words so that, in the 
future, when you get one of the many "horrible" records to decipher, you'll 
actually stand a decent chance of figuring out the record. 

Please note that I presented the information above in an order different from 
the record. For example, I listed the birthdate early on but it doesn't appear 
in the record until later. You don't need to know every single word to decipher 
these records, so just focus on the key words. Many of the words deal with the 
ceremonial aspects of the event which you may (or may not) find relevant based 
on your own religious views. 

Hope this is what you needed to know. However, as a disclaimer, don't take my 
word for it (I'm reading the record via a tiny iPhone screen). Verify the data 
for yourself. 

Gayle



> On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I never should have said that I had "most" of it figured out. Part of that 
> was due to the excitement that I had found it (Eureka!) and the fact that I 
> was in delirium @ 2:30 in the morning when I posted it. I stayed up until 
> 4:30, but then opted to sleep on it & look with fresh eyes again this 
> morning. 
> 
> I don't understand Portuguese, unfortunately. This handwriting is better than 
> what most people have to work with, but I do much better with the words that 
> are easy to decipher like the dates, because you already know which words 
> that you are hunting for. I was looking over the list of "Portuguese 
> Genealogy words" and found a few more like "solenemente" which at first 
> looked like a series of squiggles. Of course, the ones that are the easiest 
> to read are the ones that are repeated often, like "freguesia." I heard 
> someone say that they typed out the words & put them into an on-line 
> translator, but I'm sure that those things are pretty literal & would spit 
> out most of my guesses. I hope to get better with practice.
> 
> I was relieved to find the date & the familiar surnames & the term: 
> "legítima", but humbly ask if anyone can give me anything else that they 
> would be kind enough to translate. 
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P197.html
> 
> # 47, bottom right, continued on the next page
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:17 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Susan,
>> 
>> What have you figured out ? What are you still trying to decipher ?
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 13, 2016, at 2:34 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much Gayle for the suggestion for checking the CITEM. I do 
>>> believe that I have found the correct Maria Teresa Maciel. The CITEM lists 
>>> the parents (Antonio Pereira Rosa & Maria Teresa) that are found in the 
>>> baptismal record. I think that I have most of it figured out, but there are 
>>> still some words that I haven't yet. 
>>> 
>>> # 47 on bottom right:
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P197.html
>>> 
>>> continued on next page:
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P198.html
>>> 
>>> & the tree from CITEM:
>>> 
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Matca=pt=A=16225=5=on=on=0==H==
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 11:03:45 AM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>>>> Susan,
>>>> 
>>>> I see : Maria, daughter of Joao Sousa Maciel and Marianna da Gloria. She 
>>>> was born 10 Dec 1865. Paternal grandparents were Manuel Homem Silveira and 
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 2016 Salt Lake City Conference Group photo

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Me, too ! Happy researching. 



> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:15 AM, nancy jean baptiste  
> wrote:
> 
> Oh!!! I wish I was there
> 
> 
> Nancy Jean
> 
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
> Mello 
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 9:43:29 AM
> To: Azores Genealogy; islandrou...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 2016 Salt Lake City Conference Group photo
>  
> (Cross posted to the Azores and IslandRoutes lists. Can't post to Madeira due 
> to the hosting parameters)
> 
> Attached is the photo of most of the people attending the genealogy 
> conference in Salt Lake (about 5 people missed the photo opportunity). We are 
> having a great time and learning a lot!
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism translation please. searching for Maria Theresa Maciel, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

I knew you had it !  

Thanks, Kathy. 

Gayle



> On Sep 7, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Kathy Cardoza <kmacard...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Susan
> 
> The link that Gayle was referring to for Naming Practices is:  
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices.html
> 
> Kathy
> 
>> On Sep 07, 2016, at 01:08 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Susan 
>> 
>> Ask Cheri is she (or Rosemarie or Kathy) can send you a link to an article 
>> on Naming Traditions among the Portuguese. It may help explain a lot about 
>> how different their surname patterns/choices are to ours. And, why you can't 
>> assume the names used in the islands are the same as the ones used here in 
>> the states. Also, how a single person could use many variations and alcunhas 
>> over their lifetime. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gayle,
>>> 
>>> Thank you, that's good to know of course, but very disappointing. What a 
>>> roller coaster! Maria Teresa Maciel is the only name that we have known her 
>>> by, which is frustrating. I was excited when I found any reference to 
>>> Maciel in the baptismal records & was hoping that since that was the name 
>>> that she chose that it was a significant or close family connection. Also, 
>>> when I looked in the family tree on CITEM that is connected to this Maria, 
>>> there were a few other Maria Teresa's & Teresa's. The mother's name is 
>>> listed as Maria Teresa. 
>>> 
>>> I wonder if our Maria Teresa really had a different name at birth, but then 
>>> took on this name later because this Maria had died? There are several 
>>> different dates suggested for her birth in the census records, from 1865 to 
>>> 1868. I have seen an even wider range of dates for other people. Makes you 
>>> wonder if some didn't even know what their actual date of birth was & just 
>>> picked one that seemed likely, but forgot which one that they had picked 
>>> before! Sigh. Back to the haystack.
>>> 
>>> I'm going to try to get hard copies of her marriage & death certificates to 
>>> see if there is any more info there. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your time & willingness to help.
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 8:57 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>> Susan,
>>>> 
>>>> The birthdate is 15 July 1865. She was baptized on the 17th of July. But, 
>>>> according to CITCEM, this Maria died 1 July 1885 at age 19. 
>>>> 
>>>> Gayle
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:59 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you Gayle for the suggestion to check the CITCEM. I found the same 
>>>>> reference to her being born in August 1865 & actually found her on 17 
>>>>> July 1865 in Sao Mateus on the CCA. I had seen people post screenshots 
>>>>> from GenWeb, but never knew how they generated them, so thanks. & thanks 
>>>>> also to Richard for helping translate too. The new one that I found is 
>>>>> prettier & should be easier. I also found a cousin who understands 
>>>>> Portuguese, but I know that the members of this forum have had more 
>>>>> practice and are so much better at deciphering the subtleties. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P195.html
>>>>> # 40 on the right
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think that it's 17 July 1865? which is closest to the info found on 
>>>>> GenWeb:
>>>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Matca=en=D=maria+teresa=jesus=7=5=L=0=
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Susan,
>>>>>> Sorry, to tell you, but 60ish cMs is NOT a strong DNA match. The most 
>>>>>> two people can share in common is in the 3000 range. 60ish pales in 
>>>>>> comparison. You'll need a really good paper trail to make 60ish cMs pan 
>>>>>> out. Those matches need more work. Start with 100+ cMs or more 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism translation please. searching for Maria Theresa Maciel, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Susan 

Ask Cheri is she (or Rosemarie or Kathy) can send you a link to an article on 
Naming Traditions among the Portuguese. It may help explain a lot about how 
different their surname patterns/choices are to ours. And, why you can't assume 
the names used in the islands are the same as the ones used here in the states. 
Also, how a single person could use many variations and alcunhas over their 
lifetime. 

Gayle



> On Sep 7, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gayle,
> 
> Thank you, that's good to know of course, but very disappointing. What a 
> roller coaster! Maria Teresa Maciel is the only name that we have known her 
> by, which is frustrating. I was excited when I found any reference to Maciel 
> in the baptismal records & was hoping that since that was the name that she 
> chose that it was a significant or close family connection. Also, when I 
> looked in the family tree on CITEM that is connected to this Maria, there 
> were a few other Maria Teresa's & Teresa's. The mother's name is listed as 
> Maria Teresa. 
> 
> I wonder if our Maria Teresa really had a different name at birth, but then 
> took on this name later because this Maria had died? There are several 
> different dates suggested for her birth in the census records, from 1865 to 
> 1868. I have seen an even wider range of dates for other people. Makes you 
> wonder if some didn't even know what their actual date of birth was & just 
> picked one that seemed likely, but forgot which one that they had picked 
> before! Sigh. Back to the haystack.
> 
> I'm going to try to get hard copies of her marriage & death certificates to 
> see if there is any more info there. 
> 
> Thanks for your time & willingness to help.
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 8:57 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Susan,
>> 
>> The birthdate is 15 July 1865. She was baptized on the 17th of July. But, 
>> according to CITCEM, this Maria died 1 July 1885 at age 19. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 3:59 AM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Gayle for the suggestion to check the CITCEM. I found the same 
>>> reference to her being born in August 1865 & actually found her on 17 July 
>>> 1865 in Sao Mateus on the CCA. I had seen people post screenshots from 
>>> GenWeb, but never knew how they generated them, so thanks. & thanks also to 
>>> Richard for helping translate too. The new one that I found is prettier & 
>>> should be easier. I also found a cousin who understands Portuguese, but I 
>>> know that the members of this forum have had more practice and are so much 
>>> better at deciphering the subtleties. 
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1856-1867_item1/P195.html
>>> # 40 on the right
>>> 
>>> I think that it's 17 July 1865? which is closest to the info found on 
>>> GenWeb:
>>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=Matca=en=D=maria+teresa=jesus=7=5=L=0=
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Susan,
>>>> Sorry, to tell you, but 60ish cMs is NOT a strong DNA match. The most two 
>>>> people can share in common is in the 3000 range. 60ish pales in 
>>>> comparison. You'll need a really good paper trail to make 60ish cMs pan 
>>>> out. Those matches need more work. Start with 100+ cMs or more to have 
>>>> success in working with DNA.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Susan Schoen <susanleesch...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> One is 60.4 with largest 22.6 & the other significant one is 59.9 & 19.6 
>>>>> largest. 
>>>>> & also match on 3 other kits that the same person administrates for his 
>>>>> family, so I don't think that it's just a fluke. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is only one other match that is higher that was not a known 
>>>>> relative. The one next higher is a 4th cousin @ 61.7 & 27. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Define "Strong" m

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism translation please. searching for Maria Theresa Maciel, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Susan,

Baptism is in Dec. Birth is in November. Looks like the 17th but word is 
sinking into the page bend. Looks like dezasete but the "sete" is questionable. 

Gayle



> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Susan Schoen  wrote:
> 
> Maria Theresa Maciel is my father's maternal grandmother. I match many people 
> via GEDmatch on her line, but since I do not he the names of either of her 
> parents, it's hard for me to untangle who she might be connected to. 
> 
> Can someone please help me translate # 53 on the bottom left?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874_item1/P38.html
> 
> I can recognise the name Maciel on the 7th line down. I'm not sure if this is 
> our Maria Theresa Maciel because I can't decipher the date? I can make out 
> December & Octo for 1800's but the end of the line is blurry. It is page 38 
> of 164 with the date range of 1864 to 1874, so it's in the ballpark. Her 
> birth year is estimated to be from 1865 to 1868 from census & death record. 
> One census stated August 1867, but don't know how accurate it might be?  In 
> my grandmother's family (who is the daughter of Maria Theresa Maciel) all of 
> the daughters were baptised Mary, but only the eldest was called Mary, all of 
> the rest were called by their middle name. 
> 
> We were always told that she was from Pico & judging by some of the trees 
> from the DNA matches that we share in common, Lajes do Pico is probable. 
> Other family names that show up frequently in the matching trees are Pereira 
> & Silveira. Maciel goes in & out. 
> 
> Thank you in advance!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism translation please. searching for Maria Theresa Maciel, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Susan,

I see : Maria, daughter of Joao Sousa Maciel and Marianna da Gloria. She was 
born 10 Dec 1865. Paternal grandparents were Manuel Homem Silveira and Marianna 
Josefa. Maternal grandparents were Antonio (?) and Inacia Balbina. Note: I used 
modern spellings above in Sousa and Inacia. Also, Antonio's surname seems to 
disappear where the page bends inward. 

I checked CITCEM but it gives the birthdate in August, which baffles me. I am 
on my iPhone so I often am cautious on being too definitive when viewing on a 
small screen, but, I really see December on the first line. I'll go back and 
see if the birth was four months earlier with the baptism much later. Not 
unheard of, but more often than not just a few days apart. 

Gayle



> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Susan Schoen  wrote:
> 
> Maria Theresa Maciel is my father's maternal grandmother. I match many people 
> via GEDmatch on her line, but since I do not he the names of either of her 
> parents, it's hard for me to untangle who she might be connected to. 
> 
> Can someone please help me translate # 53 on the bottom left?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-B-1865-1874_item1/P38.html
> 
> I can recognise the name Maciel on the 7th line down. I'm not sure if this is 
> our Maria Theresa Maciel because I can't decipher the date? I can make out 
> December & Octo for 1800's but the end of the line is blurry. It is page 38 
> of 164 with the date range of 1864 to 1874, so it's in the ballpark. Her 
> birth year is estimated to be from 1865 to 1868 from census & death record. 
> One census stated August 1867, but don't know how accurate it might be?  In 
> my grandmother's family (who is the daughter of Maria Theresa Maciel) all of 
> the daughters were baptised Mary, but only the eldest was called Mary, all of 
> the rest were called by their middle name. 
> 
> We were always told that she was from Pico & judging by some of the trees 
> from the DNA matches that we share in common, Lajes do Pico is probable. 
> Other family names that show up frequently in the matching trees are Pereira 
> & Silveira. Maciel goes in & out. 
> 
> Thank you in advance!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madelena (?) Rosa, B 1688 Sao Mateus, need help with O...

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Mary,

These same facts provided by Marie were the ones I found of CITCEM and in 
Amorim's book. So, Madalena may be Margarida. 

Gayle



> On Sep 2, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Seekgene via Azores Genealogy 
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> Mary, I think that you mean the daughter, Margarida Garcia (1688-1765) in S 
> Mateus, Madalena, Pico.  She married Antonio Costa Soares on 7 June 1718.  
> Margarida is my 7th gg Aunt.  Her parents are my 8th gg parents.  So, are we 
> related?  Ate logo,...Marie Pleasant
>  
> In a message dated 9/2/2016 2:07:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> pimwh...@gmail.com writes:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1756-1782_item1/P72.htm
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptismal record of Francisco da Rosa - Candeleria, Pico

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Bob,

You're welcome. BTW, if this line turns out to be one of your ancestral lines, 
I found a connection to my grandmother's lineage. But, it's back- way back in 
the 1600s. 

Gayle



> On Aug 29, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Bob Luis  wrote:
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> Thanks Rosemarie and Gayle.
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  
>> wrote:
>> Maternal Manoel Rodrigues Goncalves and Maria da Silveira  born 21 Oct 1855, 
>> I think. 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 6:52 PM, rml...@gmail.com  wrote:
>>> Need help with Francisco's record, parents should be Antonio da Rosa and 
>>> Ana Conceicao. Paternal grandparents should be Jose Rosa Silveira and Ana 
>>> Maria.
>>> Need date, maternal grandparents and other pertinent info.
>>> 
>>> Francisco bottom left. http://goo.gl/1nUC48
>>> 
>>> Thanks Bob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptismal record of Francisco da Rosa - Candeleria, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Bob,

PS. I have lots of ancestors from Candelaria where my grandmother was born. Let 
me know if I can ever help. 

Gayle



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Francisco was born on 21 Oct. 1855 and baptized on the 28th of the same 
> month. The maternal grandparents were Manuel Rodrigues Goncalves and Maria 
> Silveira. Note: I double checked CITCEM but it doesn't show any parents for 
> Ana. 
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 6:52 PM, "rml...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Need help with Francisco's record, parents should be Antonio da Rosa and Ana 
>> Conceicao. Paternal grandparents should be Jose Rosa Silveira and Ana Maria.
>> Need date, maternal grandparents and other pertinent info.
>> 
>> Francisco bottom left. http://goo.gl/1nUC48
>> 
>> Thanks Bob
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptismal record of Francisco da Rosa - Candeleria, Pico

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Bob,

Francisco was born on 21 Oct. 1855 and baptized on the 28th of the same month. 
The maternal grandparents were Manuel Rodrigues Goncalves and Maria Silveira. 
Note: I double checked CITCEM but it doesn't show any parents for Ana. 

Hope that helps,

Gayle




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> Need help with Francisco's record, parents should be Antonio da Rosa and Ana 
> Conceicao. Paternal grandparents should be Jose Rosa Silveira and Ana Maria.
> Need date, maternal grandparents and other pertinent info.
> 
> Francisco bottom left. http://goo.gl/1nUC48
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho family from Sao Mateus, Pico

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Deb,

Most of my research was done using microfilms of the parish records long before 
Ancestry ever came into existence. As such, there was never a reason to 
subscribe. Can you make a PDF file of your tree ? If it's too large, maybe you 
could send me your Candelaria name (since there was only one) then later send 
me your most recent Sao Mateus names a couple at a time. I can use my records 
to compare. 

Gayle



> On Aug 23, 2016, at 12:25 PM, 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Gayle,
> 
>  If you have access to Ancestry, you can check out the basics of my tree.  If 
> not, what would be the best way, do you think, to compary tree info?
> 
> Deb
>  
> When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!
> 
> 
> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com> 
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho family from Sao Mateus, Pico
> 
> Deb,
> 
> No to the names Goes and Pinheiro. No to the place Piedade. Yes to everything 
> else. However, most non-religious names tend to be combinations such as Costa 
> Goulart so more info is needed to pin down specific connections. 
> 
> My grandmother's lineage is primarily Candelaria, Sao Mateus and a few from 
> Sao Joao, Madalena and Lages. All on Pico. 
> So, if you have any questions related to Candelaria and Sao Mateus where most 
> of her ancestors lived, I may be able to help.  
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:56 PM, 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gayle,
>> 
>> Sorry it took me so long to respond.  We were vacationing last week.  
>> 
>> You are correct about the parentage.  I made a mistake. Thanks for catching 
>> that.
>> 
>> I was responding to another member of the list just now.  I thought I would 
>> cut and paste in my direct line from Sao Mateus.  Might you be connected 
>> along the way if not at the older generations? In-laws perhaps?
>> 
>> I have tons of Pico relatives.  
>> Do any of these names from Sao Mateus relate to your tree?
>> da Costa
>> Ferreira
>> Garcia
>> Goes
>> Goulart
>> Jorge
>> Pereira
>> Pinheiro
>> Maciel
>> Rodrigues
>> Silveira
>> 
>> Or from  Piedade:
>> Nascimento
>> 
>> Or from Candeleria:
>> Gonsalves
>> 
>> See below for the cut and paste of relatives from Sao Mateus:
>>  
>> My 5th great grandparents are Manuel da Costa Goulart Gigante and Maria 
>> Pereira.  So we are related at that  juncture. 
>> 
>> My 4th great grandfather is the couple's son, Jose Pereira Maciel 
>> (1719-1774), who marrived Joana Maria.
>> 
>> My 3rd great grandfather is Antonio Pereira Maciel (1762-1819,) who married 
>> Maria Antonia.
>> 
>> My 2nd great grandmother is Antonio and Maria's daughter, also named Maria 
>> Antonia (1812-1894), who married Bento Pereira da Costa.
>> 
>> My 1st great grandmother is Virginia Emilia (1844 - ?), who married Jose 
>> Francisco Martins (1828 - ?).   Virginia was born, like her siblings, in Sao 
>> Mateus, Pico.  Her husband was born in Feteira, Faial.  I have not been able 
>> to find death info for the couple.
>> 
>> My grandfather is Antonio Francisco Martins, who married Elisa Abreu after 
>> the couple separately immigrated to the U.S.  He came from Feteira, Faial.  
>> She was from Sao Martinho, Madeira.  The married in Oakland, CA.
>> 
>> Thanks for responding to my initial inquiry.  I appreciate it.
>> 
>> Deb
>>  
>> When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!
>> 
>> 
>> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
>> To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho family from Sao Mateus, Pico
>> 
>> Deb,
>> 
>> CITCEM shows Matias and Domingas as parents of Beatriz not of Manuel. (You 
>> may need to check their marriage record 11 July 1701 to verify parentage.)  
>> No birth dates are shown since records start in 1673 and their birthdates 
>> would have preceded that date. Domingas reportedly died in 1701 before 
>> Beatriz' wedding. 
>> 
>> These are not my direct ancestors but I have an extensive number of lines 
>> located in Sao Mateus and Candelaria, Pico. So, feel free to ask any 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho family from Sao Mateus, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Deb,

No to the names Goes and Pinheiro. No to the place Piedade. Yes to everything 
else. However, most non-religious names tend to be combinations such as Costa 
Goulart so more info is needed to pin down specific connections. 

My grandmother's lineage is primarily Candelaria, Sao Mateus and a few from Sao 
Joao, Madalena and Lages. All on Pico. 
So, if you have any questions related to Candelaria and Sao Mateus where most 
of her ancestors lived, I may be able to help.  

Gayle



> On Aug 22, 2016, at 4:56 PM, 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gayle,
> 
> Sorry it took me so long to respond.  We were vacationing last week.  
> 
> You are correct about the parentage.  I made a mistake. Thanks for catching 
> that.
> 
> I was responding to another member of the list just now.  I thought I would 
> cut and paste in my direct line from Sao Mateus.  Might you be connected 
> along the way if not at the older generations? In-laws perhaps?
> 
> I have tons of Pico relatives.  
> Do any of these names from Sao Mateus relate to your tree?
> da Costa
> Ferreira
> Garcia
> Goes
> Goulart
> Jorge
> Pereira
> Pinheiro
> Maciel
> Rodrigues
> Silveira
> 
> Or from  Piedade:
> Nascimento
> 
> Or from Candeleria:
> Gonsalves
> 
> See below for the cut and paste of relatives from Sao Mateus:
>  
> My 5th great grandparents are Manuel da Costa Goulart Gigante and Maria 
> Pereira.  So we are related at that  juncture. 
> 
> My 4th great grandfather is the couple's son, Jose Pereira Maciel 
> (1719-1774), who marrived Joana Maria.
> 
> My 3rd great grandfather is Antonio Pereira Maciel (1762-1819,) who married 
> Maria Antonia.
> 
> My 2nd great grandmother is Antonio and Maria's daughter, also named Maria 
> Antonia (1812-1894), who married Bento Pereira da Costa.
> 
> My 1st great grandmother is Virginia Emilia (1844 - ?), who married Jose 
> Francisco Martins (1828 - ?).   Virginia was born, like her siblings, in Sao 
> Mateus, Pico.  Her husband was born in Feteira, Faial.  I have not been able 
> to find death info for the couple.
> 
> My grandfather is Antonio Francisco Martins, who married Elisa Abreu after 
> the couple separately immigrated to the U.S.  He came from Feteira, Faial.  
> She was from Sao Martinho, Madeira.  The married in Oakland, CA.
> 
> Thanks for responding to my initial inquiry.  I appreciate it.
> 
> Deb
>  
> When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!
> 
> 
> From: 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com>
> To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho family from Sao Mateus, Pico
> 
> Deb,
> 
> CITCEM shows Matias and Domingas as parents of Beatriz not of Manuel. (You 
> may need to check their marriage record 11 July 1701 to verify parentage.)  
> No birth dates are shown since records start in 1673 and their birthdates 
> would have preceded that date. Domingas reportedly died in 1701 before 
> Beatriz' wedding. 
> 
> These are not my direct ancestors but I have an extensive number of lines 
> located in Sao Mateus and Candelaria, Pico. So, feel free to ask any 
> questions for families in those areas and I'll do my best to answer. 
> 
> 
> Gayle
> 
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:31 PM, 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Maria Pleasant recently wrote:
>> 
>> I have lots of Pereira Evangelho's from Sao Mateus, Pico in my family tree.  
>>   Marie Pleasant
>> 
>> I have Matias Ferreira Evangelho and his wife, Domingas Perreira.  I don't 
>> know their birth or death dates, but I do know they are the parents of my 
>> direct ancestor:
>> 
>> Manuel da Costa Goulart Gigante. 
>> Born 26 June 1863
>> Died 6 Feb. 1783 in Sao Mateus, Pico
>> 
>> Manuel's wife is 
>> Beatriz Maciel who died on the 14 October 1712.
>> 
>> Is anyone related to this family?
>> 
>> Deb McCabe
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

I agree with Rosemarie, she was 26. Sorry. Small view on a phone. 



> On Aug 21, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> Carmen, I'll give it a try: 
> 
> Manuel Nunes da Silva and Theresa Francisca
> married 28 Jul 1882 
> He: 37, single, legit son of Francisco Nunes da Silveira & Theresa Francisca 
> She 26, single, legit of Jose_Silveira & Maria Victorina, all residents 
> and natives of Bandeiras. 
> Jose's middle name I can't really make out, B or R ecina?? Maybe someone who 
> knows the names in Bandeiras can figure that out. It's all very faint so hard 
> to read! 
> BUT they are 1st and 2nd cousins!! That should help you as you continue back, 
> it means there are grandparents in common and greatgrandparents in common. 
> 
> 
> Rosemarie
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> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 11:22 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-1875-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-1875-1890_item1/P34.html
>> 
>> hi everyone
>> 
>> i need help with the marriage for manuel nunes da silva and theresa de jesus?
>> 
>> july 8 don't know the year
>> 
>> can't make out parents names
>> 
>> maria victoria ?
>> 
>> thank you
>> 
>> Carmen M. Furtado
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEED HELP WITH MARRIAGE TRANSLATION

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Carmen,

On 28 July 1882, Manuel Nunes da Silveira married Theresa de Jesus. He was 31 
and she was 23 years of age. His parents were Francisco Nunes da Silveira and 
Theresa Francisca. Her parents were Jose Pereira da Silveira and Maria 
Victoria. All from Bandeiras. 

The only name in question was Pereira, which seemed very faint when reading it 
on my phone. Someone with a full screen computer may be able to confirm/deny 
what I think I'm seeing. 

Hope that helps. 

Gayle



> On Aug 21, 2016, at 11:22 AM, 'carmen furtado' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
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> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-1875-1890/PIC-MD-BANDEIRAS-C-1875-1890_item1/P34.html
> 
> hi everyone
> 
> i need help with the marriage for manuel nunes da silva and theresa de jesus?
> 
> july 8 don't know the year
> 
> can't make out parents names
> 
> maria victoria ?
> 
> thank you
> 
> Carmen M. Furtado 
> 
> 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho family from Sao Mateus, Pico

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Deb,

CITCEM shows Matias and Domingas as parents of Beatriz not of Manuel. (You may 
need to check their marriage record 11 July 1701 to verify parentage.)  No 
birth dates are shown since records start in 1673 and their birthdates would 
have preceded that date. Domingas reportedly died in 1701 before Beatriz' 
wedding. 

These are not my direct ancestors but I have an extensive number of lines 
located in Sao Mateus and Candelaria, Pico. So, feel free to ask any questions 
for families in those areas and I'll do my best to answer. 


Gayle


> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:31 PM, 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maria Pleasant recently wrote:
> 
> I have lots of Pereira Evangelho's from Sao Mateus, Pico in my family tree.   
>  Marie Pleasant
> 
> I have Matias Ferreira Evangelho and his wife, Domingas Perreira.  I don't 
> know their birth or death dates, but I do know they are the parents of my 
> direct ancestor:
> 
> Manuel da Costa Goulart Gigante. 
> Born 26 June 1863
> Died 6 Feb. 1783 in Sao Mateus, Pico
> 
> Manuel's wife is 
> Beatriz Maciel who died on the 14 October 1712.
> 
> Is anyone related to this family?
> 
> Deb McCabe
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes. That's the original book I was referencing. 



> On Aug 12, 2016, at 2:08 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I think 3 of the parishes on Pico in NEPS are from Maria Norberta Amorim's 
> "As Tres Paroquias do Sul de Pico" or something like that. Gayle can speak 
> more to that. That book was published a long time ago. My guess would be that 
> it is out of print too. Argh!
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo: Joao Pereira Evangelho, b. 22 AUG 1788 (Sao Mateus, Pico)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

I stand corrected.  It says Antonia de Jesus da Conceicao. Although in old 
records the "o" ending written with an "m" instead,e.g. Joam instead of Joao. 

Gayle



> On Aug 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your help on this one Gayle.  I see something different for the 
> Padrinhos in the 6th line from the top - am I reading it wrong?  It sure 
> looks like Francisco Pereira Evangelho and his wife Antonia de Jesus to me.  
> Also, I don't see where they list the grandparents at all, do you?
> 
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:52:13 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> Padrinhos: Jose Silveira Fagundes and his wife Francisca de Jesus of this 
>> freguesia. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can you tell I'm working on my Evangelho's today?  I think the same priest 
>>> with bad handwriting made most of these records..ugh.
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799_item1/P167.html
>>> Page 167, middle of left side:  Joao.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Here's what I have so far, please correct what I have wrong and feel free 
>>> to add any pertinent points.  Thank you all so much!
>>> 
>>> ) Joao, son of (Manuel?) Pereira Evangelho and his wife Isabel (??), 
>>> natives of
>>> 
>>> 2) Sao Mateus;
>>> 
>>> 3) On the 22 day of the month of August 1788..
>>> 
>>> 4) (something about 24 years??); I baptized
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I can’t read much of the next 4 lines:
>>> 
>>> 5) cant’ read
>>> 
>>> 6) Padrinos Francisco Pereira Evangelho and his Wife Antonia de
>>> 
>>> 7) Jesus (of this freguesia?).  Can’t read rest of line
>>> 
>>> 8)?
>>> 
>>> 9) signatures
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks, Cheri. Both CITCEM and the original book have it wrong. 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm sure 20 Jan 1845
> 
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>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> In trying to confirm the record, I found that CITCEM shows the marriage date 
>> as 1 February 1845. So, I'm confused. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Think the month of the marriage is January. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler <pimwh...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  
>>>> Sorry - it's a tough one!
>>>> 
>>>> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
>>>> page.
>>>> 
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would 
>>>> be much appreciated.  
>>>> 
>>>> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho 
>>>> and Anna Francisca ; 
>>>> 
>>>> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this 
>>>> line or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
>>>> 
>>>> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
>>>> natives?)
>>>> 
>>>> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks friends!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> MAry
>>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

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Mary,

In trying to confirm the record, I found that CITCEM shows the marriage date as 
1 February 1845. So, I'm confused. 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
> <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Think the month of the marriage is January. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler <pimwh...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  Sorry 
>> - it's a tough one!
>> 
>> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
>> page.
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
>> 
>>  
>> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would be 
>> much appreciated.  
>> 
>> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho and 
>> Anna Francisca ; 
>> 
>> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this 
>> line or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
>> 
>> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
>> natives?)
>> 
>> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks friends!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> MAry
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Think the month of the marriage is January. 



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  Sorry - 
> it's a tough one!
> 
> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
> page.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
> 
>  
> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would be 
> much appreciated.  
> 
> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho and 
> Anna Francisca ; 
> 
> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this line 
> or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
> 
> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
> natives?)
> 
> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks friends!
> 
> 
> 
> MAry
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo: Joao Pereira Evangelho, b. 22 AUG 1788 (Sao Mateus, Pico)

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Mary,

Padrinhos: Jose Silveira Fagundes and his wife Francisca de Jesus of this 
freguesia. 

Gayle



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> Can you tell I'm working on my Evangelho's today?  I think the same priest 
> with bad handwriting made most of these records..ugh.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799_item1/P167.html
> Page 167, middle of left side:  Joao.
> 
> 
> Here's what I have so far, please correct what I have wrong and feel free to 
> add any pertinent points.  Thank you all so much!
> 
> ) Joao, son of (Manuel?) Pereira Evangelho and his wife Isabel (??), natives 
> of
> 
> 2) Sao Mateus;
> 
> 3) On the 22 day of the month of August 1788..
> 
> 4) (something about 24 years??); I baptized
> 
>  
> 
> I can’t read much of the next 4 lines:
> 
> 5) cant’ read
> 
> 6) Padrinos Francisco Pereira Evangelho and his Wife Antonia de
> 
> 7) Jesus (of this freguesia?).  Can’t read rest of line
> 
> 8)?
> 
> 9) signatures
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptismo: Joao Pereira Evangelho, b. 22 AUG 1788 (Sao Mateus, Pico)

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Mary,

I see Joao son of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Isabel Siveira, natives of Sao 
Mateus. Born 22 Aug 1788 and baptized 24th of the same month. 

Will now look at witness names. 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  wrote:
> 
> Can you tell I'm working on my Evangelho's today?  I think the same priest 
> with bad handwriting made most of these records..ugh.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-B-1776-1799_item1/P167.html
> Page 167, middle of left side:  Joao.
> 
> 
> Here's what I have so far, please correct what I have wrong and feel free to 
> add any pertinent points.  Thank you all so much!
> 
> ) Joao, son of (Manuel?) Pereira Evangelho and his wife Isabel (??), natives 
> of
> 
> 2) Sao Mateus;
> 
> 3) On the 22 day of the month of August 1788..
> 
> 4) (something about 24 years??); I baptized
> 
>  
> 
> I can’t read much of the next 4 lines:
> 
> 5) cant’ read
> 
> 6) Padrinos Francisco Pereira Evangelho and his Wife Antonia de
> 
> 7) Jesus (of this freguesia?).  Can’t read rest of line
> 
> 8)?
> 
> 9) signatures
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage of Manuel Pereira Evangelho and Maria Theresas do Coracao de Jesus - Sao Matues (Pico) - 1845

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Mary,

I see Manuel Pereira Evangelho son of Jose Pereira Evangelho and Anna 
Francisca, and Maria Theresa do Conceicao de Jesus, daughter of Joao (Ferreira) 
da Rosa and Theresa Rosa, both deceased. 

I'm working on the month but see the day as the 20th and year as 1845. 

Hope that helps 

Gayle



> On Aug 11, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello friends - I'm having trouble deciphering this marriage record.  Sorry - 
> it's a tough one!
> 
> It's on the bottom of the first page and flows over to the top of the 2nd 
> page.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1795-1846_item1/P219.html
> 
>  
> Here's what I picked out - any help correcting this or adding to it would be 
> much appreciated.  
> 
> Husband:  Manuel (Pereira?) Evangelho, son on Jose (Pereira?) Evangelho and 
> Anna Francisca ; 
> 
> Wife:  Maria Theresa do Coracao de Jesus, daughter of (can’t read t this line 
> or next, maybe Joao Pereira? da Rosa..?..and his wife Theresa Rosa???)
> 
> Natives of Sao Mateus (I assume this means the couple getting married are 
> natives?)
> 
> Date of marriage – is it 20 June 1845?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks friends!
> 
> 
> 
> MAry
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage dispensation for G. daughter of Francisco Lopes da Fonseca (Maria Santa Teresa)

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Christine,

Thanks for the info. I did not have Maria listed as a daughter to Francisco and 
Apolonia. 

Gayle



> On Aug 4, 2016, at 7:38 PM, George & Christine Lee  
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> As most of our group knows, Joao Ventura (archivist) has been working on the 
> marriage dispensations for the Azores.  Joao has asked that I pass on this 
> dispensation to all interested and I thought this is the best way to do it.
>  
>  
> In 1727  a marriage dispensation in the 4th degree of consanguinity was 
> granted to Barbara da Conceicao b. Candelaria, Pico, she Died before 1756   
> and Antonio de Sousa b. Candelaria, Pico and they were married 10 Dec. 1727 
> in Candelaria, Pico . 
>  
> -Barbara da Conceicao was the daughter of Maria de Santa Teresa, b. Lajes, 
> Pico.
>  
> -Maria de Santa Teresa was the daughter of Francisco Lopes da Fonseca b. 1638 
> d 21 May 1718 in Sao Mateus, Pico and Apolonia das Candeias b. 1658, d. 16 
> Feb. 1718 in Sao mateus, Pico.
>  
>  
> Best Regards to all,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Capelo Obit

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Sean,

I see "genro" =son-in-law for Antonio Silveira Peixoto. But, I see "monteiro"= 
huntsman for Joao. I wish I saw "marido" meaning husband which would be a 
better choice. Having said that, I am viewing the record on my phone so maybe 
someone else can get a better view of what's in front of Joao's name. 

Gayle



> On May 29, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Here is an obit on the bottom left for Brizida Francisca: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1818-1833/FAL-HT-CAPELO-O-1818-1833_item1/P15.html
> 
> I can understand the year and what age they think she was. I also see the 
> names Joao Silveira Dutra, which I have as her husband, and Antonio Silveira 
> Pexioto, which I had as her son in law.
> 
> Does this record state that Joao is her husband?
> 
> I can not translate much about this record and it's a pretty long one. Any 
> information is helpful.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 2:42:43 PM UTC-7, Sean Andrade wrote:
>> Ahh got it. Thanks!
>> 
>>> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 2:40:04 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Sean, the 2nd "name" is really exposto. The priest capitalized it, making 
>>> you think it was a name. Exposto is orphan.
>>> Maria, orphan, at the house of Francisco Silveira de Matos and his wife, 
>>> Maria Clara. She was 14 months old.
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
>>> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

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There are times when I'm glad I'm wrong. 



> On May 21, 2016, at 8:49 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> In this case I think it does give the bride's parents' names.  Beginning 
> midway on line 7 I see "Agueda Barboza viuva de Fran.o V.ra Gl.te, f.a de 
> João de Medina e Miranda e sua m.er Izabel Homem, defuntos." which I 
> translate as:
> 
> Agueda Barboza, widow of Francisco Viera Goularte, daughter of João Medina e 
> Miranda and his wife Izabel Homem, both deceased.
> 
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

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Sean,

I just checked my book containing Sao Mateus' records and it only lists births 
from 01 Jan 1673. Your Agueda would probably have been born before that based 
on when the children from her first marriage were born. 

Gayle



> On May 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
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> This is the second marriage for Aguenda Barbosa: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/P40.html
> 
> I am trying to make out her parents name. I searched through NEPS but 
> couldn't find information through her name for her parents.
> 
> Her dad looks like Joao da Medina da Miranda? and mom is Isabel Homem da ???
> 
> I think it says they are from Sao Matteus but I don't know if I am 
> translating it correctly.
> 
> I have searched through obits for Sao Matteus but haven't found any names 
> like theirs so I am wondering if maybe they are from somewhere else.
> 
>> On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 5:52:03 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> You're welcome. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks! I can see it now and see she got remarried as well. I also found 
>>> her marriage record with Manual stating that she is the widow of my 
>>> ancestor.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again!
>>> 
 On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
 Sean,
 
 Just checked CITCEM which gives date as the 21st of Nov. it confirms 
 husband's name with what I thought I read. 
 
 Gayle
 
 
 
> On May 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html
> 
> It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first 
> time I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone 
> can see something different.
> 
> The record is very faded.
> 
> Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.
> 
> Does it also mention how old she may have been?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Sean,

The parents' names are not recorded on second marriages. It will only say she's 
the widow of someone. At least that's the custom during this time period. 
Farther back and the parents' names may not appear even on first marriages. 
Sorry. 

Gayle



> On May 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> This is the second marriage for Aguenda Barbosa: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-C-1698-1748_item1/P40.html
> 
> I am trying to make out her parents name. I searched through NEPS but 
> couldn't find information through her name for her parents.
> 
> Her dad looks like Joao da Medina da Miranda? and mom is Isabel Homem da ???
> 
> I think it says they are from Sao Matteus but I don't know if I am 
> translating it correctly.
> 
> I have searched through obits for Sao Matteus but haven't found any names 
> like theirs so I am wondering if maybe they are from somewhere else.
> 
>> On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 5:52:03 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> You're welcome. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks! I can see it now and see she got remarried as well. I also found 
>>> her marriage record with Manual stating that she is the widow of my 
>>> ancestor.
>>> 
>>> Thanks again!
>>> 
 On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
 Sean,
 
 Just checked CITCEM which gives date as the 21st of Nov. it confirms 
 husband's name with what I thought I read. 
 
 Gayle
 
 
 
> On May 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html
> 
> It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first 
> time I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone 
> can see something different.
> 
> The record is very faded.
> 
> Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.
> 
> Does it also mention how old she may have been?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

You're welcome. 



> On May 21, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> Thanks! I can see it now and see she got remarried as well. I also found her 
> marriage record with Manual stating that she is the widow of my ancestor.
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
>> On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-7, good...@aol.com wrote:
>> Sean,
>> 
>> Just checked CITCEM which gives date as the 21st of Nov. it confirms 
>> husband's name with what I thought I read. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top right: 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html
>>> 
>>> It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first 
>>> time I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone 
>>> can see something different.
>>> 
>>> The record is very faded.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.
>>> 
>>> Does it also mention how old she may have been?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Sean,

Just checked CITCEM which gives date as the 21st of Nov. it confirms husband's 
name with what I thought I read. 

Gayle



> On May 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html
> 
> It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first time 
> I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone can see 
> something different.
> 
> The record is very faded.
> 
> Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.
> 
> Does it also mention how old she may have been?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] obit record

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

Sean,

I see the husband as Manuel Rodrigues Fagundes. And, the date of death as 30 
Nov 1737.

Hope this helps. 

Gayle



> On May 21, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Sean Andrade  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I need help with this death record for Aguenda Barbosa on the top right: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755/PIC-MD-SAOMATEUS-O-1733-1755_item1/P27.html
> 
> It doesn't look like they list the husbands name, which is not the first time 
> I have come across this with the obits in Sao Matues. Unless someone can see 
> something different.
> 
> The record is very faded.
> 
> Can anyone see the year. I think it is 1737 but I would like confirmation.
> 
> Does it also mention how old she may have been?
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