To whoever out there has the time/permission to make
changes to the blackboxwm.sf.net page, could you please
update my link on the screenshots page to be:
Scott Hurring http://hurring.com/screenshots/blackbox/
I mostly have screenshots of different styles that
i either created or really like
Matt Wilson wrote:
How many people don't use keybindings? Would it be worthwhile to integrate
keybindings back into BB? It seems to me that it wouldn't create that much
more overhead - you'd have one less app running - and would have much more
potential for things like menu manipulation...
I'm not familiar with X programming, so please bear
with me when i ask this question :-)
Is there anyway to send an event/atom/whatever to the
root window to say hey buddy, someone right-clicked
on you, handle it ??
I'm thinking that if it is possible, a simple app.
could be written and called
Es Bee Ex wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 18:13:04 -0400
Scott Furt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Derek Cunningham wrote:
On Thu, Jul11,02 16:39, Gerrit Hoetzel wrote:
What I WOULD like to see is an emacs-like ability to string characters
together. ie: CTRL+Z+R will perform some action, and CTRL+Z
Derek Cunningham wrote:
On Thu, Jul11,02 16:39, Gerrit Hoetzel wrote:
What I WOULD like to see is an emacs-like ability to string characters
together. ie: CTRL+Z+R will perform some action, and CTRL+Z+T will perform
some other action. Think that's doable?
Or maybe distinguish sth. like vi's
Brandon Thigpen wrote:
What I would like to see the most is the ability to bind keys to pop
up the root menu, and be able to move around in it using the vi keys
(j,k,l,etc). I also use Alt+Tab for window switching, and have set
up bbkeys to start some programs I use often:
Alt+x =
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
It is a little ugly, will see about cleaning it up.
The issue was a loose check on the bit masks. Cleaned up. Let me know if
there are further complaints.
If developer of the year awards are ever held, you're
certainly my first choice :)
Awesome job, thanks
Es Bee Ex wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:42:12 -0400
Jan Schaumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Below find the complete Blackbox-HOWTO. It contains all the information
anybody might need to know to use BB:
1. How do I have other applications start up when I start blackbox?
Enter them into you
I've found something in BB beta1,
Open up a window on a blank workspace, then ALT+Mid-click
inside the window, and while holding down the ALT+mouse,
move over to the bottom right handle.
Watch as the resize icon pops up. But what's weird is
that moving the mouse to the bottom of the handle
I found this link today, seems that Blackbox is the
default WM of this project, pretty cool:
http://intimate.handhelds.org/
he's got some pretty cool screenshots too :)
Sam Halliday wrote:
put everything you want into a file, say ~/bin/startbb.
Then put exec ~/bin/startbb into your .xinitrc - bam, same thing as
exec starkde, exec wmaker, exec gnome-session whaterver.
but that achieves nothing... i dont like putting anything into
an xinitrc file, i like to
Jan Schaumann wrote:
Sam Halliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How about making a startbb script and then running that from .xinitrc
i want to rid the .xinitrc startup usgae in the first place
How are you planning on doing this? AFAIK, you gotta have a .xinitrc
(unless you make blackbox
Tim Riley wrote:
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:08:24AM -0400, Scott Furt wrote:
The whole linux philosophy is to give configurability, even
at the cost of being a bit cryptic at times. :-)
Is that so? What about the 'usability' philosophy? ;)
For me, the configurability helps make
I've got a feature request for the post-65 series
(since i know there's a feature freeze in effect now)
Is there any feasable way that torn-off menus could somehow
be made to stay open after a selection is made? IMO, this
would add much more consistency to the way menus work.
At least to me,
Jamin W. Collins wrote:
On 06 Jun 2002 23:24:54 +1200
Matt Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oooh... sounds like a bug to me. Mine hang around, like I believe
they're supposed to...
Mine hang around too. Maybe he's behind on his adhesive bill?
What the hell is wrong with me this
I noticed that it only happens to me if i try and run
OO from the BB menu when i first get into BB, with no
other windows open.
If i open up ROX and click on a document, OO will come
up no problem. If i then close all windows and run OO
from the BB menu, no problem.
Occasionally, OO will bring
Stijn Hoop wrote:
On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:08:01AM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:33:34AM -0500, xOr wrote:
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:47:26PM +0930, Tim Riley wrote:
Imho, for this sort of bog standard window behaviour, a sane default
should be picked, and kept.
mikshaw wrote:
True, but it seems many folks won't put themselves into a position to deal with it
at all when they
see all these 0.x versions. When i first started researching open source projects a
couple years
ago, I thought What the heck? Does no one have a stable program finished?
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
On 05-Jun-2002 dan radom wrote:
it sure seems like people are somewhat passionate about their window shading
and placement prefreences. sounds like a toggleable config option would
please everyone :)
more to the point, no matter what we change there will
Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 11:08:35PM -0300, Saruman wrote:
Can I put icons on Desktop, like gnome or kde???
if possible, how?
Nope! Isn't it WONDERFUL?
Now... a question. Why does everyone try and turn blackbox into something
else? If you want like Gnome or KDE,
Es Bee Ex wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2002 02:51:24 +0200
Øyvind Stegard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a simple feature request:
How about an option that will keep maximised windows locked in position
so that they cannot be accidentally moved ?
This is an idea I had too, but two other, more
Hello, i'm running blackbox a7, and i noticed a few oddities
when dragging shaded windows around with the mouse:
With freshly-shaded windows, dragging by the titlebar is fine.
However, with some windows that have been shaded for a while,
when i grab the titlebar to drag them, an outline box
If anyone's interested, i posted up a few new styles that
i did this weekend.
Shots (links to download are on the page next to the thumbnail)
http://furt.com/screenshots/index.php?only=blackbox_styles
Broken-down directory structure:
http://furt.com/blackbox/styles/
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
On 28-May-2002 Scott Furt wrote:
If anyone's interested, i posted up a few new styles that
i did this weekend.
Shots (links to download are on the page next to the thumbnail)
http://furt.com/screenshots/index.php?only=blackbox_styles
Broken-down directory structure
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
Very strange, i created with bbconf 1.4 and am running blackbox a7
(from cvs 05/25). i also have bsetbg 1.12
Was it any specific styles that gave you prob's?
I grabbed clouded mind (I have a thing for blue themes).
The more I look at this the more I think it
xOr wrote:
On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 07:19:30PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
On 28-May-2002 Scott Furt wrote:
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
Very strange, i created with bbconf 1.4 and am running blackbox a7
(from cvs 05/25). i also have bsetbg 1.12
Was it any specific styles that gave you
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
The more I look at this the more I think it is a color map issue. What res
do
you run in?
1152x864
color depth: 16
1280x960 16 here. Most odd. Looking into this some more.
When I load bbconf 1.6 up and try to load your style all of the colors show
up
as black.
I remember there was discussion about transient windows
that were created/destroyed very quickly hanging around.
I just experienced this with ROX. I was copying a very
small text file to a sub-dir, and the Copying... window
seems to have hung around as Unnamed. All efforts at
killing the
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
On 24-May-2002 Scott Furt wrote:
When i resize/move windows now, the little box that
shows X: ... Y: ... looks like it inheirits the background
image from my desktop, which is unfortunate, becuase
black text on a dark background is near impossible to read.
cvs
Es Bee Ex wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2002 20:30:20 +0100 Martin Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
1. Is there a graphical app launcher that people recommend.
ROX is a nice set of applications that together provide a FAST graphical
desktop. I just use the ROX-Filer, but there is also an icon
I was playing around with snapping today (I'm running CVS
from 05/23), and noticed that windows will snap to the edge
of the slit, even if the window is nowhere near the slit.
This might be somewhat related to the XMMS-snapping problem
that was reported a while back.
Screenshot:
Another good GUI unzip/zip tool is the ROX Archive tool.
It's an icon on the desktop, and you drag files or archive
onto it and it tgz/un-tgz things.
http://rox.sf.net/archive.php3
Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
I am using cxunzip (a GNOME unzip tool); if I kill it or properly exit it,
it closes
When i resize/move windows now, the little box that
shows X: ... Y: ... looks like it inheirits the background
image from my desktop, which is unfortunate, becuase
black text on a dark background is near impossible to read.
This happens with 0.62.1. I do not know if this has been
fixed in the most recent alpha (i will be installing it
later tonight to find out), so i apologize if this is old
news.
i was toying around with the slit, and noticed that if i
threw a large dockapp in there, it would bump up above the
I just grabbed the CVS (May 23, 7:30PM) and the overlap is
still happening.
Screenshots:
http://furt.com/blackbox/wmswallow-before.jpg
http://furt.com/blackbox/wmswallow-after.jpg
I'll post this to the tracker if it's a legit bug.
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
On 23-May-2002 Scott Furt wrote
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
1) his domain name is tame
2) you have to wander around his site
3) he very clearly explains what is there and why, giving you the chance to not
see it
I have no problem with linking to his blackbox page.
Scott, it is your site. If anything some would feel
Paul Mackinney wrote:
That's the only reason it's on my box. I run Debian, so I just install
with
apt-get install gnome-terminal
Can anyone suggest a good Debian resource where i could
see the differences between Deb and Redhat? I've been
a redhat user for a few years now and am
Personally, i really like Mozilla's email client.
I used to use Kmail, and i really liked it. but after
trying to upgrade a few things using RPMs, half of
KDE stopped working because of dependancy issues...
i *hate* RPMs. it's nearly impossible for me to upgrade
anything w/o having a whole
Marc Wilson wrote:
On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 08:49:08PM +0800, Grahame Bowland wrote:
I'm starting with the simple looking items. To remove the
current workspace from the window menu, the workspace needs
to be identified by some other data than the index into the
menu. In C I'd just put a
I apologize. This is a test. the list has
been throwing errors at me.
apparently dropped from the edges of
windows when i drag them around. Is anyone else seeing this?
nope, I run the cvs version exclusively.
Is this in opaque mode?
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Try opening up an xterm/rxvt and running 'bbkeysconf'
from there so you can see what messages it's
outputting before it dies.
Paul Mackinney wrote:
First, apologies is this isn't the right forum for bbkeys. I switched to
blackbox about 2 months ago and have been in heaven. But very recently,
Damn, i worded my orig. email badly, to to pre-empt
any misunderstandings...what i meant to say was
that i didn't think there was support in BB for
what steven is asking for
scott wrote:
I don't think that there's support for this in the
current version of blackbox... try ALT+click to
move
Jan Schaumann wrote:
Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just to be a pain in the ass:
#!/bin/ash
What's wrong with plain ole /bin/sh - you can be pretty darn certain
that /bin/sh exists on any *nix...
-Jan
I think '/bin/sh' is a better choice also.
On my system, 'ash' doesn't
Are there any plans to distribute more styles with
upcoming releases of blackbox?
It seems that since styles themselves are just a few dozen
lines of text, it'd be a trivial size increase to the
BB distrib tarball if a bunch of new styles were added.
Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
Can you (and others who post screenshots) list the applications that are
running on the screen and the styles (and maybe bg image) used?
(Please consider adding that information to your webpage. I am curious
what a few of those apps are.)
I'll be updating the site
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
please, link to a URL. That way everyone can see them and if my mail goes
flaky we do not lose anything.
http://furt.com/screenshots/
Only 2 BB screenshots up right now, i'll be adding
some more later showing off different styles:
Marc Wilson wrote:
Besides, I have an intense dislike for sites that use frames when they're
not necessary, like all the other choices do.
I don't mean to pick, but none of the other
sites use frames, they use tables.
In order of preference, favorite first
1) http://www.planetquake.com/lvl/blackbox
6) http://furt.com/blackbox
3) http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox/lightgfx.html
Jamin W. Collins wrote:
So, because it's done by Sawfish and/or KWin, it should now be done by
Blackbox?
sawfish/kwin do a lot of other things that are
not in blackbox either - for good reason. :-)
how many people *do* use xinerama on this list?
it seems like a pretty hot topic.
i, for
Toolbar vs. Slit:
i would definately like to see the toolbar and slit remain
as they are -- separate. The toolbar and slit both serve
different functions and it'd be silly to combine them into
one big clunky uni-bar...
New feature suggestions:
i dont know if anyone would like this (and i
Marco wrote:
3) For those who prefer the mouse, running a toolbar just
for this is a terribly unefficient way to do it. Sounds
like building a wall every time to keep you parked car
from going downhill, instead of pulling the hand brake...
The real
Marco wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Marco wrote:
There is no need for *both* toolbar *and* slit in BB,
meaning that for the end user they functionally overlap, [...]
It *is* absolutely true.
Not at all.
The toolbar tells you where you are, and the slit houses
dock-apps. I use the slit
Derek Cunningham wrote:
is it possible to make bbpager moveable?
DC
and what is happening when you Toggle window decorations
on the bbpager window? :-)
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Jan Schaumann wrote:
Nexist Xenda'ths [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't figure out how to force KDM to launch BB, but I did find the
file which selected KDM. I changed this back to XDM. Not as pretty,
but functional. I also have some idea of how it works -- plus I feel
better that the
enter. The toolbar
gets ruined. Also, one can edit the workspace, switch to another
workspace, and begin typing. This will produce unexpected
results. There are also some minor bugs to do with typing odd
characters while inputting the workspace name. eg: control c.
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Nexist Xenda'ths wrote:
The Menu no longer has 'Exit'.
How do I tell Blackbox to log out so I can access it as another user?
add an [exit] option :-)
I would also like to add a reboot option
Douglas
'shutdown -r now' or some variation thereof
will probably do the trick.
Here is a quick 5 minute hack to fix the misbehaviour of pre3 where it
clobbers events to applications without an option to turn of such a
feature.
A more complete and sain patch will probably follow now that I can use
emacs to its full power.
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Alt+click.
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* Scott Moynes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I have created a patch to the latest pre-release of blackbox and
included it in http://nexus.carleton.ca/~smoynes/epistrophy.tar.gz
that adds keygrabbing support to blackbox
Epistrophy is a simple keygrabber for blackbox, and to some degree
other
J.S. wrote:
I'm not sure wether my point comes clear; I guess what I'm trying to say
is -- graphics does matter, even though we're running diet style.
Well, personally, i think blackbox is one of the best
looking WM's i've ever used. I am turned-off by lots
of excessive gooey stuff oozing
Derek Cunningham wrote:
On Mon, Jan07,02 23:31, Thread wrote:
Man, some browsers just suck. The design rendered beautifully in the
brosers I developed it with, but ie, and apparently others, choked on it
as some folks reported it not being variable width. It was, in fact,
designed to be
Mark Weinem wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jan 2002, Joe MacDonald wrote:
Actually, the way it works right now is far more useful to me. I tend
to have a lot of shells open in different workspaces and when I want
to get at one I've minimized, it is far more helpful for me to only
see the list of ones I've
Thread wrote:
Yeah, if we don't need the boxes on the right side, we can do away with
them. Also, I was sort of fond of the black fading around the edges..
But whatever people like...
http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox/lightgfx.html
Thread
Very nice job, i like it without the boxes on
ray@crytek wrote:
I've tested on w3m, IE6 (win2k) and Mozilla (win2k). This is really Thread's
design cut back, thats all
Oh yer, the URL :]
http://www.planetquake.com/lvl/blackbox/
This is where my vote goes... i like threads' design,
especially stripped down. :)
Thread wrote:
Wacha guys think of this?
http://www.threadbox.net/blackbox
-Thread
Very nice, i like it. amazingly, it is very
readable with lynx, links, mozilla, or MSIE.
My one suggestion would be to move the two light grey
boxes on the right over to the left, to give more room
for
I uploaded a new epistrophy the other day. There are a few very small
fixes to signal handling, and config file parsing. However, if anyone
one is well versed in the ancient art of lex and yacc, I would love
you long time if you'd give me a shout.
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* Derek Cunningham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
haha... having recently watched Full Metal Jacket (on DVD no less :), I can
only hear the above line in a female vietnamese voice, followed by me so
horny haha... perhaps a rephrase? :)
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
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behaviour
when all the lock keys are off.
There was a patch for 0.61.x that would kill that behaviour,
did you have the patch compiled into your previous BB,
and maybe just forgot about it when you upgraded to mdk8.1 ?
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Jamin W. Collins
Even a short paragraph at the top of each function would be a big
help, i think. especially to people writing small patches or modifying
functionality slightly.
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shutting down
aborting... dumping core
X connection to :0.0 broken.
This is where the plot thickens. Using epistrophy, with basically the
same code, I get no such crash.
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* Jason 'vanRijn' Kasper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
That's because you're using XGetInputFocus(display, w, revert); every
time you do something with a window. bbkeys uses a ClientMessage from
blackbox to know what the currently focus'd window is. This was done by
design as an example of
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On Saturday 05 January 2002 11:43, Jan Schaumann wrote:
scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had an idea while driving home from work today. PHP could easily be used
to check the browser type, and return a different HTML page based on what
I have forgot two important things. First, most of the keybindings
integration work was done by David Caplan. I didn't want to seem like
I was taking credit for his work. And epist also has window cycling.
That is all.
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This is going to be fixed in an upcoming release (0.62.1) of blackbox.
xOr
Amen! It never did make any sense to me why the lock keys should
affect something like ALT+Click. Thanks to Sean (or whomever is
responsible) for removing the Lock keys behaviour from BB
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thru links and having to scroll
a lot to see any content is a pain.
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created the graphic that i took from Rajat's page,
but obviously i give much credit to whomever created it and i took some
text right from the official alug page, and paraphrased Rajat's history info.
Credit where credit is due... thanks guys.
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HTML file with the
comments in it, obviously :-)
It's a kind of half-assed solution, but it seems to fix the problem
of keeping different pages in synch with common code w/o having
to use PHP or server-side includes.
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aloha,
dave
On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 08:21:40AM -0500, scott wrote:
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I just wrote a little perl script that will make the maintenence of the
headers/footers
(or any common HTML code) a little easier if a multi-page design is favored
is visible.
The only reason i'm mentioning this is becuase it happens with bb-pre9
and not 61.1 (i've got 61.1 and pre9 installed to different paths so i can
revert easily). i haven't touched my install of bbpager or bbkeys.
I have absolutely no clue why/where/how this would happen
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On Monday 24 December 2001 03:33, joh.n-do wrote:
hi all,
is possible to set a short key?
like a ctrl+m to start mozilla...
josto
Of course:
KeyToGrab(m), WithModifier(Control), WithAction(ExecCommand), DoThis(mozilla)
(Read the docs for bbkeys, it's all in there)
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* joh.n-do ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
hi all,
is possible to set a short key?
like a ctrl+m to start mozilla...
josto
If you're feeling adventurous, you can try epistrophy
(http://nexus.carleton.ca/~smoynes/epistrophy.tar.gz) with an
~/.epistrc as follows
control m exec mozilla
scott
managagement apart from blackbox. Check out xsm.
scott
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1996,
and am fluent in HTML/javascript/PHP/perl...
everyone have a merry christmas!!
people have just started arriving, so i should go now :-)
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will be run on
an Apache server that supports Perl (and possibly PHP). Should we
just use our own judgement and worry about configuring the server later?
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Have a happy christmas all :)
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is already working
on the HTML, i'll make up a list of things that need to be done and do them.
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That would be great.
Along with a list of platforms that it compiles and runs on (if a list
like that doesnt already exist).
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of useful
features, and some better documentation.
scott
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as
many things to clean up. If you have any development experience
(either C or C++) and a little bit of time, I can contact you off list
with them. :)
scott
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, but I do vaguely remember have such issues at one
time. I will see if I can reproduce them.
scott
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the source and keep it in my local CVS
archive, and let any intrested members bug me for it.
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it wouldn't be too hard to
add WM spec to blackbox. I am axiously looking forward to this, and
would be elated if only the easy ones were added. :) Actually, I'll be
happy if I don't have to wait another year for the next stable
release. :))
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Cunningham
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
You know you're on a computer-oriented mailing list when there are
4-page tirades about search engines ;-)
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name. Currently, it must be located in the directory in which you
start the grabber, and it must be named rcfile, no prefix dot. This
is intended to be fixed before a full release.
It is licenced under the GPL.
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Virius.
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Wow.
That was altogether more information than i will probably ever
need to know on pluralization of latin words. :-)
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[scott] :: ein kalter
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Are you continuing to work on blackbox?
look here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/blackboxwm/
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[scott] :: ein kalter Tod für den sprecher von Lügen
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fetz
that...ummm...interesting! :)
As do I, but for different reasons.
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