Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] 6.6.20 and work scheduling]

2009-04-23 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Well done Paul, I think you claim the prize: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/17860 - Original Message - From: Paul D. Buck p.d.b...@comcast.net To: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu Cc: john.mcl...@sybase.com; BOINC Developers Mailing List boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent:

Re: [boinc_dev] 6.6.20 and work scheduling

2009-04-24 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I'll give a good test when the next build is out, but I won't be able to reproduce the experimental conditions until Einstein is issuing work again - dry on all relevant boxes. So we get to relax a bit over the weekend. v6.6.24 is installed and new work is downloading from Einstein as I

Re: [boinc_dev] 6.6.20 and work scheduling

2009-04-24 Thread Richard Haselgrove
this been remarked on before?] I'll go and preserve the logs, and try and find you the meaningful sections to upload. More follows. - Original Message - From: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com To: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com; David Anderson da

Re: [boinc_dev] 6.6.20 and work scheduling

2009-04-25 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Paul D. Buck wrote Again, the point being that we still have the issue were BOINC continually changes its mind about what should be running. One of the causes is that we call the schedulling routine so often. But that is not all of it. Even if we do throttle the number of calls to

Re: [boinc_dev] 6.6.20 and work scheduling

2009-04-29 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Mikus wrote I've seen the following (presumably in chase of a missed deadline) - I forget which release of the BOINC client I was using. [I run off-line; my interval-between-connects is 1.1 days; my additional work days are 1.x days (for a total ready-queue size of 2+ days).] From one

Re: [boinc_dev] exited with zero status but no 'finished' file

2009-05-13 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Paul D. Buck wrote Not sure if I have the for sure smoking gun ... but ... VERY interesting evidence for you developers to ignore ... TWO Problems, for the price of one nights work. 1) There seems to be an issue with the way BOINC interacts with the zip and unzip which may cause BOINC

Re: [boinc_dev] Reporting a lot of tasks at the same time

2009-05-14 Thread Richard Haselgrove
That sounds like the problem they had at CPDN Beta with big trickle files - the sched_request size got too big. Not the number of tasks, but the size of the file. You might ask someone with the problem how big that file is - someone at CPDN mentioned 4MB as a limit.

Re: [boinc_dev] Exiting remote BOINC Manager exits local client(silently)

2009-05-19 Thread Richard Haselgrove
At 12:34 PM +0100 5/19/09, Richard Haselgrove wrote: The BOINC v6.6 managers (currently .20 and .28) show much more screen 'flicker' when updating data for running tasks than earlier managers - comparing the current unified task list view with earlier 'Grid' views in v6.4.5, v6.2.49

Re: [boinc_dev] BOINC All versions download page

2009-05-21 Thread Richard Haselgrove
While you lot have been chatting (grin), I have opened trac tickets #896 and #897 Does the reporting style (level of detail, sub-headings) seem appropriate? If so, I'll hang on to the template. - Original Message - From: Kathryn Marks kathryn.bo...@gmail.com To: Eric Myers

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Fw: Work fetch bug in v6.6.23

2009-06-02 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Since the circumstances seem to be easier to re-create in the current SETI configuration (almost out of Astropulse work), would you like me to try for more [rr-sim] logs - and any other flags you care to suggest? Richard Haselgrove wrote: 17/04/2009 11:21:51 [wfd] target work buffer

[boinc_dev] Trac cleanup

2009-06-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove
1) Correct to close #869: tested and working (at the third attempt ;-) ) 2) Can close #897 - fix in v6.6.31 seems effective. #890 already closed. 3) I don't mind the wontfix on #620 - I though it was a clumsy solution - but I think David's closure note misses the point. The client keeps track

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Work fetch bug continues in v6.6.28

2009-06-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove
, but offers of help - Original Message - From: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu To: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com Cc: BOINC Developers Mailing List boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [boinc_alpha] Work fetch bug continues

Re: [boinc_dev] Add country to forum profile

2009-06-12 Thread Richard Haselgrove
David Anderson wrote My inclination would be to simplify the user info box even further, e.g. to remove the credit stuff, and replace Joined: Aug 8 08 with Joined: 10 months ago or something -- David Please don't. People rather like celebrating their BOINC birthdays, especially in this

Re: [boinc_dev] Add country to forum profile

2009-06-12 Thread Richard Haselgrove
David Anderson wrote I'll do this if someone sends me an array that parallels the existing $countries array (see below) containing the 2-letter country codes used by the FamFamFam images -- David A few errors have crept into http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/18390 I used to do this

Re: [boinc_dev] edit time to completion

2009-07-09 Thread Richard Haselgrove
The only mechanism for changing it is to modify the duration correction factor. The duration correction factor will correct itself over time anyway, but it is possible to set it by hand to be closer to where it will eventually stabilize. jm7 The problem with relying on DCF is that no

Re: [boinc_dev] Release Notes for 6.6.36 incorrect

2009-07-14 Thread Richard Haselgrove
If you have multiple login accounts for the computer, I believe you have to repeat step (3) (heeding the warning in step (4)) for each separate user account. - Original Message - From: William bcdecbi...@yahoo.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:08 PM

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] BOINC mentioned on slashdot

2009-07-15 Thread Richard Haselgrove
FYI http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/14/1743230/BOINC-Exceeds-2-Petaflops-Barrier Cheers, Reinhard. Most project Server Status pages, such as http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/server_status.php, explain that they derive their FLOP-eqivalence from the sum of the Recent Average Credit (RAC)

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-16 Thread Richard Haselgrove
That only works if you have the bandwidth to actually get the data to the validator. The problem at the moment in SETI is the last mile of internet connection. There are several possible solutions, but having the upload servers else where does not really help that much. The uploaded data

Re: [boinc_dev] Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-16 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Advantages Relatively simple server requirements for the 'data concentrator' - just cgi, and some filesystem-level cron scripting Much cheaper than $80,000 for 'fibre up the hill' Quicker to implement than more esoteric suggestions - I don't think there's anything above

Re: [boinc_dev] Interesting possible LIBCURL bug?

2009-07-19 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I didn't persue it last time, because I was using an old version of BOINC, and saw no reason to upgrade at the time - this was 2008 BC (before CUDA). I did ask if anyone could confirm my observation with a current BOINC, but answer came there none. I am, however, glad that I posted on a

Re: [boinc_dev] Fw: Re: Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Lynn W. Taylor wrote: Some sort of daemon on the upload server would then send work back to the main site as quickly as possible without saturating the link. ... but you're still limited to 80 or 90 megabytes. It doesn't solve the problem (too many simultaneous connections) it just moves

Re: [boinc_dev] Fw: Re: Optimizing uploads.....

2009-07-21 Thread Richard Haselgrove
You do get some increased throughput if the problem is dropped connections and packets, and the distributed upload servers have sufficiently better connections, and the link has to the final upload server has sufficient bandwidth to handle the load if the connections are carefully controlled

Re: [boinc_dev] *SPAM* Re: Spam on Trak tickets

2009-08-07 Thread Richard Haselgrove
It's on #713 as well - not yet cleaned. - Original Message - From: Jorden van der Elst els...@gmail.com To: Rom Walton r...@romwnet.org Cc: BOINC dev boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] *SPAM* Re: Spam on Trak tickets It's back,

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Bug with all boinc since 6.6.11 inlinux

2009-08-13 Thread Richard Haselgrove
When checking this report, please consider other OSs as well. There have been repeated, but inconclusive, reports from Windows users with multiple CUDA cards (such as Fred W) of similar behaviour. In Windows, it sounds as if this tasks on all cards exit at the same time is mainly triggered by

Re: [boinc_dev] trac spam

2009-08-13 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Sounds as if you disabled _attachments_ to tickets, thus preventing a useful code patch being added to #139, without disabling new _comments_ on tickets, which was the spam vector. - Original Message - From: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu To: BOINC Developers Mailing List

Re: [boinc_dev] [Fwd: Re: [BOINC] #139: Project-by-project network disable (similar to communications deferred)]

2009-08-14 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Lynn W. Taylor wrote It seems to me that the big fear is the two-week timer: if a work unit can't be uploaded in two weeks, it's going to be thrown away, causing irreparable harm to the project and a tragic hit to the cruncher's RAC. CPDN CM3-160 models can run for 4 months or longer. Losing

Re: [boinc_dev] result.cpu_time for GPU applications

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Travis Desell wrote: Is there another variable to determine the time a workunit has spend on the GPU? For whatever reason our CUDA applications are reporting a very small cpu_time value, I'm wondering if this is some issue we have in our application, or if the BOINC client is reporting it

Re: [boinc_dev] result.cpu_time for GPU applications

2009-09-03 Thread Richard Haselgrove
It would be really helpful to be able to know the elapsed_time of a result, mainly to see exactly how fast these workunits are crunching (and if anyone is trying to fake results). Maybe add something like an elapsed_time or gpu_time field to the RESULT struct. Or maybe just change cpu_time

Re: [boinc_dev] Why did BOINC contact Prime Grid, and Why did it DL execuatables

2009-09-26 Thread Richard Haselgrove
This conversation confused me, until I looked at the actual format of a sched_reply.xml file. project_preferences resource_share100/resource_share project_specific format_presets...@home classic/format_preset text_stylePillars/text_style graph_styleRectangles/graph_style

Re: [boinc_dev] Why did BOINC contact Prime Grid, and Why did it DL execuatables

2009-09-26 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Following on from my previous thought, it seems that we aren't paying enough attention to the scope of some of these settings. An XML entity has two different scopes: a scope for the DEFINITION a scope for the VALUE Many BOINC preferences are global for both definition and value. They tend to

Re: [boinc_dev] Why did BOINC contact Prime Grid, and Why did it DL execuatables

2009-09-26 Thread Richard Haselgrove
to Milkyway and dedicate a nVidia GPU to Collatz. --- On Sat, 26/9/09, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: From: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] Why did BOINC contact Prime Grid, and Why did it DL execuatables To: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Card Gflops in BOINC 6.10

2009-09-29 Thread Richard Haselgrove
(the 5 minute variety that we have now) jm7 That would be 32 seconds: 24-Sep-2009 01:05:11 [---] Running CPU benchmarks 24-Sep-2009 01:05:11 [---] Suspending computation - running CPU benchmarks 24-Sep-2009 01:05:11 [climateprediction.net] [cpu_sched] Preempting

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Card Gflops in BOINC 6.10

2009-10-01 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Paul D. Buck wrote The problem is that Eric's script will mean that over a 4 year life of a computer the CS it earns in year four will take more processing time to obtain. That is the flaw ... as the performance average increases the award goes down. So the CS I earned when I started BOINC

Re: [boinc_dev] Work trashing when no GPU found

2009-10-01 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Raistmer wrote Why BOINC should trash whole GPU cache if GPU was not found at current BOINC start ? Why tasks just can't be put in waiting or suspended (to not participate in scheduling decisions) state until GPU will be available again ? Although this code was introduced in response to a

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Card Gflops in BOINC 6.10

2009-10-03 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Paul D. Buck wrote: Wasn't me that said so ... it was you (and I quote): There are also some fairly major drawbacks, and that is why I think it won't be implemented as is. First, it's immediately deflationary. The average host that connected to s...@home today earns 292 credits per day,

Re: [boinc_dev] Why did BOINC contact Prime Grid, and Why did it DL execuatables

2009-10-16 Thread Richard Haselgrove
and no GPU prefs for now). -- David Richard Haselgrove wrote: Following on from my previous thought, it seems that we aren't paying enough attention to the scope of some of these settings. An XML entity has two different scopes: a scope for the DEFINITION a scope for the VALUE Many BOINC

Re: [boinc_dev] Boinc client proxy settings

2009-11-19 Thread Richard Haselgrove
There was an issue with 6.6.17 not saving the proxy changes. This was fixed in 6.6.18, however there is only a Windows build of this last time I checked (yesterday). Cheers, MarkJ Would those be v6.10.xx? There's a v6.10.19 now (just downloaded, about to test), but it's still Windows

Re: [boinc_dev] Request: Add Snooze/Suspend GPU's only

2009-12-10 Thread Richard Haselgrove
This is a repeat of the request (1) in trac ticket #842. Request (2) was implemented last month by changeset 19573. Please re-evaluate request (1). Hi, I hope this is the right channel and apologise right now if it isn't (please tell me ;) I am running Boinc with GPU support enabled and

Re: [boinc_dev] Short Term Debt.

2009-12-10 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Thinking about this, I think it's a classic no-win situation: there is no right answer. Consider the simplest possible case: Two projects attached - one has work, the other doesn't. Under the old scheme, the project without work is pegged to 0 STD. That means that the running project is

Re: [boinc_dev] Request: Add Snooze/Suspend GPU's only

2009-12-11 Thread Richard Haselgrove
: boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu [mailto:boinc_dev-boun...@ssl.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of David Anderson Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:14 PM To: Richard Haselgrove Cc: boinc_dev Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] Request: Add Snooze/Suspend GPU's only I added a Snooze GPU checkbox

Re: [boinc_dev] Request: Add Snooze/Suspend GPU's only

2009-12-11 Thread Richard Haselgrove
All GPU apps use CPU too, so suspending CPU implies suspending GPU. So snooze and snooze GPU is sufficient. Literally true, but in the context of BOINC there's a big difference between using 1% of 1 core to support GPUGrid, and 100% of 8 cores to run AQUA. I think that users choosing to

Re: [boinc_dev] CPU thread priority for multi-threaded apps

2009-12-17 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Process started by BOINC will have priority class of IDLE then newly created threads by app itself will get NORMAL priority, hence priority of 4 that Richard sees. No contradictions here IMO. Aqua devs probably need to change process, not thread, priority if they don't like what they have

Re: [boinc_dev] CPU thread priority for multi-threaded apps

2009-12-17 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Raistmer, you're reading far more into my comment than it deserves. All I was saying is that if four cores finish quick, medium, medium, slow, and everything has to wait for slow to finish, then there are some idle cores for a minute or two. If they all finish medium, medium, medium, medium,

Re: [boinc_dev] CPU thread priority for multi-threaded apps

2009-12-17 Thread Richard Haselgrove
of its processes. We'll have to figure out a solution that works on Linux/Mac and Windows, and doesn't cause problems with OpenMP. - by which point, I'm well out of my depth. Hopefully that will fix the problem; I'd like to avoid dealing with variable # of threads. -- David Richard

Re: [boinc_dev] CPU thread priority for multi-threaded apps

2009-12-18 Thread Richard Haselgrove
priority to be the same as this value. Other developers of MT applications please copy: congratulations and thanks to the AQUA devs for being so responsive. Hopefully that will fix the problem; I'd like to avoid dealing with variable # of threads. -- David Richard Haselgrove wrote

Re: [boinc_dev] Preemption of very short tasks.

2010-01-06 Thread Richard Haselgrove
There's also a converse problem if a project supplies too-small job FLOP counts, in that EDF may not be invoked soon enough: this particularly applies if a long, under-estimated task follows a succession of shorter and/or better estimated tasks. We first saw this clearly with the introduction

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] results of a user survey

2010-01-08 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Can you be more specific? We've spent the last several years trying to make the software more accessible/usable, and adding social/community features. We've made lots of progress in both areas. What have we missed? -- David I think you've possibly created a lot of little communities,

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] results of a user survey

2010-01-08 Thread Richard Haselgrove
A wonderful example of the multiple community problem has just presented itself. David, minor broken link on the BOINC website - but I've written my comment in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5358 to highlight this issue too. - Original Message - From: Richard

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] results of a user survey

2010-01-08 Thread Richard Haselgrove
for a specific project. If there were only a single forum, that would be likely to disappear. jm7 Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@bti To nternet.com David Anderson Sent

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] results of a user survey

2010-01-11 Thread Richard Haselgrove
No amount of aggregating, nor any number of aggregation sites to browse, won't help if project admins won't play their part by posting news in a timely and accessible fashion. I was about to cite Orbit as a valuable project I would like to devote more time to, but which seemed to have fallen

Re: [boinc_dev] The Dark Side

2010-01-16 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I know that email lists can be used for behind-the-scenes communications. But they're far less efficient than a hidden forum area, if only because on a forum you see all the posts in the right chronological order. I work in a school where I do not know how we could function without the

Re: [boinc_dev] anonymous ATI applications not getting work

2010-01-18 Thread Richard Haselgrove
In setting up my AQUA app_info today, I also found that I had to allow the appropriate application in project preferences. This was unexpected new behaviour for someone brought up on the SETI way of doing things, but I think it's a good idea. As to needing to allow CPU work for a GPU app -

Re: [boinc_dev] DCF per app

2010-03-09 Thread Richard Haselgrove
This may be an over-simplistic suggestion - but why not keep track of how long the *last* RPC took, and don't start another one until both the RPC itself, and all necessary post-processing (sorting, display updating) have completed? Putting absolute values in would be a bad idea - there'll

Re: [boinc_dev] Preemption of very short tasks.

2010-03-18 Thread Richard Haselgrove
-day tasks. So max_wus_in_progress is another candidate for migration to per-app-version, please. - Original Message - From: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu To: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com Cc: john.mcl...@sybase.com; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Wednesday

[boinc_dev] BOINC entity scoping issues

2010-03-22 Thread Richard Haselgrove
, the inhibit flag would revert to being controlled by user preferences - and at the same time, the user preference control would become available on the web preferences page. - Original Message - From: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu To: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com Cc

[boinc_dev] DCF at app_version level

2010-03-22 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Moving DCF down from a project scope to an app_version scope is clearly necessary, but I think there are many unanswered questions about the server-based approach, and potential pitfalls. Speed of change / settling time At the moment, the standard change is 10% of difference, per task exit -

Re: [boinc_dev] DCF at app_version level

2010-03-22 Thread Richard Haselgrove
this caution and generating very low DCF values for a string of -9 exits. BTW, this is not just SETI, there are other projects that can have tasks that exit early. jm7 Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@bti

[boinc_dev] 'In progress' task runtime estimates

2010-03-22 Thread Richard Haselgrove
The AQUA devs have asked me to speak on their behalf in the current max_wus discussion (well, Kamran has, and Neil - who was copied in on the email - hasn't demurred). Kamran also asked me to raise another, different, issue in this general area. Regular readers know that the estimated time To

Re: [boinc_dev] 'In progress' task runtime estimates

2010-03-26 Thread Richard Haselgrove
El 22/03/2010, a las 17:39, Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com escribió: The AQUA devs have asked me to speak on their behalf in the current max_wus discussion (well, Kamran has, and Neil - who was copied in on the email - hasn't demurred). Are project developers afraid

Re: [boinc_dev] DCF at app_version level

2010-03-27 Thread Richard Haselgrove
BTW, the reason for the caution on reducing the DCF on the client if it is very high is the very real problem with a batch of SETI -9 exit results. Get a few dozen of these in a row, and you will discover that there is too much work fetched the next work fetch, unless caution is used.

Re: [boinc_dev] Boinc on USB Stick

2010-05-13 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Yes, just tested - the /a administrative setup option is still present in v6.10.54 But it still has the problems I desribed in http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/847 - my INSTALLDIR and DATADIR have both been set to W:\downloads\BOINC setup files\v6-10-54_admin\program files\BOINC\

Re: [boinc_dev] Downloads inhibition by outstanding uploads negativelyaffects performance.

2010-05-22 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I'm sure we will get the usual reminders on this one: the limit was introduced, again on a project-specific basis (though I don't know which project it was - before my time), because a rogue application generated uploadable data faster than it could be returned to the project. I wonder when

Re: [boinc_dev] Downloads inhibition by outstandinguploads negativelyaffects performance.

2010-05-24 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Joe Segur made a relevant observation on the SETI message board. When the 'whole system' conveyor belt of jobs is interrupted, all components come to a halt. New work can't enter the system until old work is fully processed and the disk storage space recyled. Judging by Scarecrow's graphs, it

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-05-24 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I've never noticed point (2) to be a problem.Successful returns increase the quota for the *current* day, not for subsequent days: so, in the worst case scenario (unless the doubling algorithm has been changed with the new server code): The user only notices the problem after quota has already

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-05-24 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Allowing a 'bonus' on quota for a validated task gets round the astronomical numbers that can be processed by successful, but idiotic reports such as SETI overflows on faulty GPUs. Such results will be returned, but NOT validated. So they don't recive validation bonus. Exactly. that's

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-05-25 Thread Richard Haselgrove
There are indeed two issues here, but I'd categorise them differently. The SETI -9 tasks are really difficult, because the insane science application produces outputs which appear to the BOINC Client to be plausible. It's only much, much further down the line that the failure to validate exposes

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-05-26 Thread Richard Haselgrove
For the benefit of our wider BOINC readership, could we exercise a little care and precision in our terminology and logic, please? As you say, these overflow results may be either valid or invalid, and that will be determined solely by the server, some days or weeks after BOINC reports - too

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-05-26 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Actually, when GPU comes into corrupted state, other projects could experience same problems. I.e., device works (not report errors), but makes invalid computations (or provides invalid data). Invalid data for SETI most probably leads to pulses overflow. Invalid data for some another

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-05-27 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Ah. My memory isn't failing after all. Mo's http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/985 - Original Message - From: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com To: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-05-28 Thread Richard Haselgrove
That's a question for each project, not BOINC centrally. It comes in two parts: Does it need fast (valid results)? (e.g. to generate dependent work, or to purge processed files from a small server) Can it cope with fast errors? (does the demand for new work from a fast-erroring host cause

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-06-03 Thread Richard Haselgrove
.ssl.berkeley.edu:80; No error 03-Jun-2010 09:41:23 [---] [http_debug] [ID#1439] Info:  Expire cleared 03-Jun-2010 09:41:23 [---] [http_debug] [ID#1439] Info:  Closing connection #0 03-Jun-2010 09:41:23 [---] [http_debug] HTTP error: Couldn't connect to server --- On Wed, 2/6/10, Richard Haselgrove

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-06-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove
. --- On Fri, 4/6/10, Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com wrote: From: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com Subject: Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited To: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu Cc: boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Date: Friday, 4 June, 2010, 1:44

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-06-07 Thread Richard Haselgrove
info still says Number of tasks completed 1183 Max tasks per day 218 Number of tasks today 273 Consecutive valid tasks 118 Average turnaround time 0.45 days - Original Message - From: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btopenworld.com To: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu Cc: boinc_dev

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-06-08 Thread Richard Haselgrove
the host contacts the scheduler. -- David Richard Haselgrove wrote: There's definitely something wrong with the (daily) quota resetting mechanism - whether that's the fault of the new code, or SETI's Beta server, I'll leave to you. Host 12316 last downloaded a SETI Beta task at 4 Jun 2010 20

Re: [boinc_dev] host punishment mechanism revisited

2010-06-14 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Jun 2010 at 20:27, David wrote: The host info is only updated when the host contacts the scheduler. -- David Richard Haselgrove wrote: There's definitely something wrong with the (daily) quota resetting mechanism - whether that's the fault of the new code, or SETI's Beta server, I'll

[boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Richard Haselgrove
This is really addressed to the whole BOINC development team, but I suppose to David in particular. I wonder if it would be possible for you to post, hopefully in the not-too-distant future, a summary of where we're up to with the whole 'CreditNew' bundle (which of course includes important

Re: [boinc_dev] Current status of CreditNew?

2010-06-23 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Meanwhile, if Lynn and Raistmer have finished with their [rr-sim] of the SETI message boards, is there any news of the state of the BOINC code? - Original Message - From: Richard Haselgrove r.haselgr...@btinternet.com To: David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu; Eric J Korpela korp

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Why not keep it simple?

2010-07-30 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Only that it's yet another change which may ripple through to unexpected places, and require re-writes of both internal and external documentation. And as always, the transition can cause confusion, while some users have older clients and others have newer. Provided the transition, and the

Re: [boinc_dev] Suggestion for notification.

2010-08-02 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Yes please. During my all-to-brief experience as a SetiMod, I felt the need for a PM (they were just becoming popular) alternative notification to the email-only Mod procedure. And there's one gap where no notification is issued, and it causes confusion. When a *thread* is moved by a

[boinc_dev] Another problem with GPU FIFO scheduling

2010-08-07 Thread Richard Haselgrove
The new-ish Fermi class of NVidia GPUs has much better hardware support for multitasking than its predecessors. I don't know of any project that is using this officially so far, perhaps because Fermi-class GPUs are still expensive and comparatively rare. but prices are falling and sales

Re: [boinc_dev] Lost tasks

2010-08-11 Thread Richard Haselgrove
You might want to think about transitional arrangements for this - there have been reports of quite high numbers of lost results at SETI recently (up to 1,000 or more per host, IIRC - can't check at the moment, as the message boards are down). Maybe start with 'lost tasks less than a week old'

Re: [boinc_dev] new client simulator

2010-10-16 Thread Richard Haselgrove
--- On Fri, 15/10/10, David Anderson da...@ssl.berkeley.edu wrote: After a considerable amount of work, I have resurrected the BOINC client simulator, with some major improvements: ... 2) it takes existing files (client_state.xml, cc_config.xml,    global_prefs.xml) as input rather than

Re: [boinc_dev] new client simulator

2010-10-18 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I just tried the simulator, and got a page full of badly formatted text. I thought there was supposed to be a graph of some sort. Using IE7. jm7 I tried it a little while ago, and got both graphs viewable in IE8, and some properly-formatted, tabular output. Also got some unexpected

Re: [boinc_dev] proposed scheduling policy changes

2010-10-26 Thread Richard Haselgrove
My first reaction, on reading this, was that resource share should be based on work done, measured directly, rather than by using credit as a surrogate. But I've read the design document, and you've covered that point - and also taken into account the immediate consequence, which is that

Re: [boinc_dev] proposed scheduling policy changes

2010-10-28 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Estimated Credit: If there are two GPUs with very different characteristics, but both of the same type, would they be counted separately? It is my belief that they should be as it is entirely possible that there is a large speed factor between 2 GPUs installed in the same system. jm7 It

Re: [boinc_dev] Initial scheduling checkin (was: boinc_cvs Digest, Vol 71, Issue 48)

2010-11-01 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I agree with John - this is a major change, and will need extensive testing. David, may I ask what your current expectation is for the timeline for the new scheduler? Specifically, are you going to attempt to incorporate it into v6.12, or would it be better to get all the 'notices' angst out of

Re: [boinc_dev] Initial scheduling checkin

2010-11-01 Thread Richard Haselgrove
, Richard Haselgrove wrote: I agree with John - this is a major change, and will need extensive testing. David, may I ask what your current expectation is for the timeline for the new scheduler? Specifically, are you going to attempt to incorporate it into v6.12, or would it be better to get

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_projects] SYNC mode and other GPU prefs

2010-11-09 Thread Richard Haselgrove
David, While you're looking at GPU preferences, would it be possible to look again at the trio of Use CPU Enforced by version 6.10+ Use ATI GPU enforced by 6.10+ Use NVIDIA GPU enforced by 6.10+ preferences we introduced about a year ago (I think those are the latest versions, though

Re: [boinc_dev] What size text is size=8?

2010-11-12 Thread Richard Haselgrove
If anyone finds themselves looking around in this sort of code, could I also mention that I've sometimes seen that the font and/or size used for the preview of message boards posts is different from the final display after posting: it's most noticeable if you're trying to line up columns. If I

Re: [boinc_dev] [boinc_alpha] Server 'Application Details' - resetting server records

2010-12-08 Thread Richard Haselgrove
from reality, as appears to have happened with host 5116976. On 08-Dec-2010 12:21 PM, Richard Haselgrove wrote: Now that SETI is back up, details have emerged of a host where the records appear to indicate that v6.08 (plan_class cuda) is faster than v6.09 (cuda23). At SETI, this would

[boinc_dev] Spammer

2010-12-09 Thread Richard Haselgrove
There's a spammer active on the BOINC message board, and Ageless is away. Anyone around with the power to banish the account? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=5841nowrap=true#36008 ___ boinc_dev mailing list boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu

Re: [boinc_dev] plan classes and platforms

2010-12-09 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Although v6.2 and above have been around for a long time, well over two years, some issues like http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/652 render it unusable on certain hosts. My last message was wrong. Clients before 6.2 (early 2008) didn't know about plan class; they assumed app versions

Re: [boinc_dev] Plan classes for AMD GPUs

2010-12-14 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I don't think David was saying that only one model number can be handled per manufacturer - many user posts on many message boards would put the lie to that. He said that only one 'type' of GPU can be handled, which in turn I take to mean that only one main_program/ can be specified per GPU

[boinc_dev] GUI RPC controls - setting GPU debt

2010-12-18 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Now that GPU task switching by short term debt has successfully replaced FIFO scheduling, would it be possible to add   cuda_short_term_debt ati_short_term_debt   to the set_debt function in gui_rpc_server_ops (line 944 onwards)?   This may require reverting the current   cuda_debt ati_debt   to

Re: [boinc_dev] CUDA task scheduling

2011-01-04 Thread Richard Haselgrove
I think this might be a thread (as opposed to application) priority issue. Compare these two Process Explorer screenshots: http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/9496/einsteincudapriority.png http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3087/seticudapriority.png (both taken from the same computer, during the

Re: [boinc_dev] Quota system inefficiency, something better?

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Haselgrove
There is an updated version of that list at http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=62573nowrap=true#1062822 Given the limited number of hosts involved, in the short term the wastage (something of the order of 10% of SETI's limited download bandwidth), maybe could/should be stemmed

Re: [boinc_dev] Quota system inefficiency, something better?

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Haselgrove
OK, back-of-envelope error - that 10% overstates the size of the problem. But, more realistically, 20 hosts @ 2,000 tasks wasted each per day is close to 4% of all multibeam tasks issued. - Original Message - From: Richard Haselgrove There is an updated version of that list

Re: [boinc_dev] Quota system inefficiency, something better?

2011-01-07 Thread Richard Haselgrove
. -- Joe On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 06:41:07 -0500, Richard Haselgrove wrote: OK, back-of-envelope error - that 10% overstates the size of the problem. But, more realistically, 20 hosts @ 2,000 tasks wasted each per day is close to 4

Re: [boinc_dev] Feature Request

2011-01-31 Thread Richard Haselgrove
If you're able to work on any of this, would it be possible to integrate the Moderation system with the Personal Message system (which came after it)? Not thinking of the major issues that Pappa has in mind, but simple things like 'post move' and 'thread move'. For recently-joined users, PMs

Re: [boinc_dev] results claiming 0 credit

2011-04-06 Thread Richard Haselgrove
Yes, it was removed from sched_result.cpp by http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/changeset/23118 - Original Message - From: Travis Desell des...@cs.rpi.edu To: boinc_proje...@ssl.berkeley.edu; boinc_dev@ssl.berkeley.edu Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:40 PM Subject: [boinc_dev] results

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