wow, my second ever posting today! :-)
various bits snipped out below ...
New Zealand granted the vote to women in 1893
Australia (at a federal level) was in 1902 (1 year after Aust. gained
independence btw)
although the state of South Australia granted the vote in 1894, while Victoria
{snipped from a recent post, attribution irrelevant to my
question/comment}
who gave their lives in the defense of
This phrasing always bothers me when I hear it - and particularly
when I knew the deceased. When I hear this phrasing it sounds to me
as if the people entered the
One could also speculate how big a part the setting played in
this (or any
other) case, IOW, whether or not Bell would have invented the
telephone had
he stayed in Scotland or in Canada. Or if von Braun would have led the
successful effort to put a man on the Moon if he had gone to
At 05:47 PM 5/23/01 +0300, Charlie wrote:
Other than the aeroplane, and possibly the internet (although the WWW was
invented in switzerland...), what great technological innovation was from
the states?
No, you can't have the telephone, that was a scot...
Where was he living at the
Other than the aeroplane, and possibly the internet (although the WWW was
invented in switzerland...), what great technological innovation was from
the states?
Fortuantely, I know that you're not serious. Even you recognized how
insincere your list was by your failure to avoid mentioning
i started reading this mailing list about 6 months ago, and i've
finally decided
to pipe up and actually say something! so be nice guys :-)
Welcome!
Introductions, please?
Oh, if you're here to talk about Brin, we do, sometimes. We'll be at it in
earnest when his next comes out :o)
At 12:21 AM 5/24/01 -0700, Christopher Gwyn wrote:
{snipped from a recent post, attribution irrelevant to my
question/comment}
who gave their lives in the defense of
This phrasing always bothers me when I hear it - and particularly
when I knew the deceased. When I hear this
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 12:13 PM 5/24/01 +1200 K.Feete wrote:
And you still sound like a B-grade movie. Let me give you a hint: they
tend to be characterized by an unbelievably clear line between good and
evil and a one-sided view of their subject matter
It is worth at least mentioning
BTW, it's even worse than that.
In order to install the patch, you first have to download install Service
Pack 2b.
In order to install Service Pack 2b, you first have to download install
Service Pack 1.
Yet another reason to prefer Word Perfect over Word: Corel combines the
old service
Doug Pensinger wrote:
Why did you lot elect Bush?
Do you answer that _we_ didn't?
Funny thing, that. Maybe it's just the circles I move in, but I've only
met 2 people who actually did vote for Bush- my grandfather, and JDG. So
who the hell did vote for him, anyway?
And usually I
That's a lie! They're only comprised of boulders when it's not
low tide...
;o)
Being serious, though, we do have sandy beaches, but they're not
on exposed
coastline.
Um, living by the coast where i am (in cromer) , id have to point
out that
most of the boulders are put there by us.
At 20:02 23-5-01 -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
I think what Dan was referring to was, do you ever have to go in on
Christmas, on New Year's, on a day that is a national holiday where
everyone is supposed to have the day off? Not vacation, but a special day
where, in theory, nobody is
Marvin Long, Jr. wrote:
Yes, it is. Even Clinton recognized Santos-Dumont precedence
in inventing the airplane.
Alberto, as long as I've been on Brin-L you've denounced
Clinton at every turn...and now he's a reliable source?
Fooey. ;-P
Selective quote O:-)
Notice the flags that
I
At 14:21 24-5-01 +1200, Kat Feete wondered:
Seriously, are there people out there who've never ever had to work on
Thanksgiving or Christmas or Easter or whatever? I mean, I know I had a
weird upbringing, but it seems inconcievable it wouldn't have happened at
least once. Do people with jobs and
But being self-launched is that distinguishes an airplane
from a glider.
Alberto Monteiro
Not at all. Unless an F-14 tomcat is a glider.
Charlie
But being self-launched is that distinguishes an airplane
from a glider.
Alberto Monteiro
Not at all. Unless an F-14 tomcat is a glider.
Charlie
Well, you could call it a brick... :-) I think that it's only from
carriers that the F-14 isn't self-launched...
Marc
Mark Salkeld wrote:
i started reading this mailing list about 6 months ago, and i've finally decided
to pipe up and actually say something! so be nice guys :-)
and i know its a long post, but i just love 20th century history! and if ive
made any blatant mistakes, i'm sorry ... most of
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Ronn Blankenship wrote:
At 10:17 PM 5/23/01 -0500, you wrote:
Did I ever say it was TOTALLY gone? :) No, it *is* going, and I'd be
totally lost without my Palm Pilot at this point, but I can manage *some*
sense. At least, I think I can. And I still counted as
At 22:51 23-5-01 -0400, John Giorgis wrote:
We can kill people really well. Woo Hoo.
Personally, I take this as a direct insult to the millions of Americans who
gave their lives in the defense of freedom, justice, and human rights.
And exactly how many of those millions of Americans only went
From: K.Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmmm, well, the USSR seemed to collapse all on its own, frankly. I don't
seem to recall us having much to do with it. And, from my history lessons
at least, I don't remember America taking any sort of real *action*
during the Cold War. There was Korea (disaster),
From: K.Feete [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seriously, are there people out there who've never ever had to work on
Thanksgiving or Christmas or Easter or whatever? I mean, I know I had a
weird upbringing, but it seems inconcievable it wouldn't have happened at
least once. Do people with jobs and stuff just
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Reggie Bautista wrote:
So the fighter jets that are launched by catapult from aircraft carriers
aren't airplanes? The Merriam Webster Dictionary (50th anniversary edition)
defines an airplane as a powered heavier-than-air aircraft that has fixed
wings from which it
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Watching the Law Order season finale at the moment actually
Hee hee - priorities in my house similarly dicated that the Voyager finale
be taped while we watched the LO season finale(s).
I'm gonna miss Carmichael; with DA Lewin being a softie and ADA
Julia Thompson schreef:
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
And on a very positive note: I'm still doing a lot of things I think
Julia would be absolutely jealous. ;o) Only after yesterdays (rather
unpleasant) experience biking experience I think I'll quit the biking
I think my water just broke, and we'll be heading for the hospital
just as soon as we've got our stuff together and can take a few deep
breaths before getting into the car.
To the best of my ability, I'll be keeping Marvin posted.
Wow. Now *THERE'S* a dedicated Brineller. Her water
Kat, you just listed a bunch of really silly questions the NZ's asked
about America? Why weren't you shocked by how ignorant they were?
Look, most people around the world are ignorant about everything except
their personal niche. Yes, Americans are ignorant about NZ. Is that
surprising? You
Ronn Blankenship wrote:
At 12:21 AM 5/24/01 -0700, Christopher Gwyn wrote:
who gave their lives in the defense of
This phrasing always bothers me when I hear it - and particularly
when I knew the deceased. When I hear this phrasing it sounds to me
as if the people entered the
Gautam Mukunda schreef:
Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Only after they realised that WWII was a direct and
inevitable result after the
very harsh economic punishments (and as far as I know my
history it was among
others especially the American president who pushed for
those
Gautam Mukunda schreef:
Behalf Of Charlie Bell
No, you can't have the telephone, that was a scot...
Charlie
Bullshit. I am deeply and profoundly offended by that statement. By
_that_ standard I'm an Indian, and I assure you that I'm not. I'm
every bit as American as Dan, John, or
From: Marvin Long, Jr.
On Thu, 24 May 2001, J. van Baardwijk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you foreigners keep calling it Holland? It's
annoying has hell. Oh, and saying Because it's easier isn't good
enough
as an explanation...
Because saying The Netherlands is like saying the nether
Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda schreef:
Behalf Of Charlie Bell
No, you can't have the telephone, that was a scot...
Charlie
Bullshit. I am deeply and profoundly offended by that
statement. By
_that_ standard I'm an Indian, and I assure you that I'm
Jeffrey Miller wrote:
I would tend to agree with you, but would pose the question
then, of how recent a phenomenon can we trace this to being,
if indeed it is so.
Which phenomenon? That a country absorbs immigrants that
keep a kind of double nationality? I think this is as
old as the
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Jeffrey Miller wrote:
I would tend to agree with you, but would pose the question
then, of how recent a phenomenon can we trace this to being,
if indeed it is so.
Which phenomenon? That a country absorbs immigrants that
keep a kind of double nationality? I
Mark Salkeld schreef:
England declared its neutrality, unless someone invaded the neutral countries of
Holland and Belgium. The germans wanted to get rid of France, quickly, and
concentrate on the real war (for them) in the east. this meant attacking France
via Holland and Belgium, and
Charlie Bell schreef:
if Germany didnt declare war on the US (as part of a
then secret Japan-German pact) after Pearl Harbour, would the US
have declared
war on Germany anyway, or would the US policy of staying out of Europe
continued?) my guess is that the US would have eventually
Marvin Long, Jr. schreef:
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
But being self-launched is that distinguishes an airplane
from a glider.
Not the *only* thing, though. Gliders are specifically designed to ride
air currents; the Wright Flyers weren't. Gliders don't have engines
Jeffrey Miller schreef:
Mark Salkeld wrote:
...but the general impression that America won the war is pretty true, on a macro
level.
Nitpick
Couldn't we tune that down a bit to the much fairer phrasing that America *helped*
winning the war ... Even on a macro level it seems to me to be
Jeffrey Miller schreef:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda schreef:
Behalf Of Charlie Bell
No, you can't have the telephone, that was a scot...
Charlie
Bullshit. I am deeply and profoundly offended by that
Not that it turned out to be too much... earthquakes, like fire alarms,
apparently find early morning to be the best time to occur, and I woke up
at six to feel my entire room vibrating. *Very* bizarre. Well, I guess
I've been in NZ for *real* now. grin
Kat
Earthquake Too Deep To Cause
Alberto Monteiro schreef:
Jeroen van Baardwijk wrote:
Can anyone explain why you foreigners keep calling it
Holland? It's annoying has hell. Oh, and saying
Because it's easier isn't good enough
as an explanation...
In Portuguese, there are two synonyms that we use to
refer to the
Julia Thompson schreef:
I think my water just broke, and we'll be heading for the hospital just as
soon as we've got our stuff together and can take a few deep breaths
before getting into the car.
To the best of my ability, I'll be keeping Marvin posted.
Go for it girl. And this is what I
recent hi-res photos of the mars face. before and after.
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/moc_5_24_01/face/index.html
On the other hand, to make the bird metaphor the measure of success lets
out, in my opinion, any airplane that needs a runway to get going. Birds
don't need runways any more than they need catapults.
Except swans you ever seen one attempting to get airborne?
But if the critereon of
Charlie Bell schreef:
On the other hand, to make the bird metaphor the measure of success lets
out, in my opinion, any airplane that needs a runway to get going. Birds
don't need runways any more than they need catapults.
Except swans you ever seen one attempting to get airborne?
Gautam wrote:
That's exactly what's so bad about Charlie's
statement - that Bell wasn't an American because he was a Scot. No,
he was both. That's something that you can be when you're an
American. You are allowed to be both.
You didn't say that. You said that it was offensive to say he
Behalf Of K.Feete
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Ronald Reagan, at least, did consciously and deliberately plan to
do
exactly that.
Er, Reagan planned something? I always regarded him as sort of the
Tin
Man of Presidents... If I only had a brain
Liberals _always_ believe that conservatives
Behalf Of Charlie Bell
Gautam wrote:
That's exactly what's so bad about Charlie's
statement - that Bell wasn't an American because he was a
Scot. No,
he was both. That's something that you can be when you're an
American. You are allowed to be both.
You didn't say that. You said
Jason Sehorn is an (undeservedly, given the way he got taken to
school during the Superbowl) lucky man :-)
Thanks a lot, Gautum. I was finally letting go of the bitter anger at him
getting toasted by the Ravens' mediocre wide receivers. Nice of you to
remind me. :)
Jim
What can change the
Oh, I remember them. Check your own. You said that the telephone
doesn't count (as something done by an American) because he was
Scottish. Now, exactly what part of that statement conceded any part
of his identity to his permanent residence in the United States?
Or the fact that he
Behalf Of Jim Sharkey
Behalf Of Jim Sharkey
Jason Sehorn is an (undeservedly, given the way he got taken
to
school during the Superbowl) lucky man :-)
Thanks a lot, Gautum. I was finally letting go of the
bitter anger at him
getting toasted by the Ravens' mediocre
Julia
Some of the higher cancer rates we're seeing now have to do with people
surviving stuff that would have killed them a mere century ago. (At
least, I think that's what my mother's parents were saying, and both of
*them* were doctors, one of them in cancer research.)
Jeroen wrote:
Can anyone explain why you foreigners keep calling it Holland? It's
annoying has hell. Oh, and saying Because it's easier isn't good enough
as an explanation...
Same reason the Germans call Kypros Zypern (or is that the Swedes?
possibly confused), or the French call the English
Mom once gave me a history lesson on this in the graveyard. One
of the early
terms for cancer was consumption, which opened up my eyes to it's
prevalence from when I was a young pup at the grey hair family reunions.
(That was the same day that I saw how many kids died before they were
At 10:53 AM 5/25/01 +1200 K.Feete wrote:
But let me just emphasize, once more, that I am *not* dissing the folks
who fought in *any* war, be they brave defenders of freedom or unwilling
draftees. They fought and they died and it meant a lot to them, and I
would never, *ever* question that.
At 10:53 AM 5/25/01 +1200 K.Feete wrote:
Er, Reagan planned something? I always regarded him as sort of the Tin
Man of Presidents... If I only had a brain
If my understanding is right, you're a college junior. That means you
should be @20 years old. So, in Reagan's last year in office,
At 12:31 AM 5/25/01 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
I've heard this somewhere, but cannot remember where. When someone at the
American treasury was asked by a foreign official why the heck they don't
make any effort to make the almost mondial used American currency safer by
making
Never heard the quote, but over the past five years we have redesigned
almost all of our paper currency, such that each of the new bills is now
literally loaded with security features to prevent counterfeiting.
JDG
Hmmm...they redo ours about every five years or so...
Marc
The kaboom!
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll take my own country as an example. Once upon a time, close to 100% of
the people here were Dutch by birth, and held some form of Christian
belief (rough division: Protestants in the north, Catholics in the
South).
Behalf Of K.Feete
Kat Feete
We still win in creativity though, right? Right?
Kat, if you're curious about the position of the United States on the
international hierarchy, my thesis research made me something of an
expert on the topic :-) Quoting from William Wohlforth's (Prof. of
political
At 11:52 PM 5/24/01 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote:
At which point you
_litterally_ claimed that American's had many quote reasons to be arrogant.
And that is how I interpreted your resulting post with listed accomplishments
by Americans as a reason for arrogance.
[snip]
I would have
At 05:38 PM 5/24/01 -0400 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I didn't even bother to watch the Voyager finale, actually - was it
any good?
Not particularly.
*SPOILERS*
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Basically, in her old age, Janeway becomes an old, and broken woman.
Despite all her experiences, she is
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
European armies to defend them.
I'm guessing you mean that you think the _Vietnam War_ was a mistake,
as opposed to the Berlin Airlift, which I think most people now agree
was a good idea.
Oh, yes. I was in a big hurry when I
Did you guys hear that they're going to reshoot some new scenes for Star
Wars Ep 2 in Sydney? Some extra character development for Obi Wan Kenobi.
Some of the tone is lightened too, with a new emphasis of the wooing of
Queen what's-er-name.
The biggest change is that young Ben Kenobi has
Gautam wrote:
Behalf Of Charlie Bell
I'll take that as an apology, and consider this closed then.
:o)
Charlie
Thank you :-)
OK folks, place your bets! It's a Texas Steel Cage Deathmatch between
Gautam Mauler Mukunda and Charlie Brutal Bell! Two men enter, one man
lea-
Oh. Darn.
At 05:10 PM 5/24/01 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote:
So, to start yet another discussion on this already high-volume list:
should we still give everyone the day off on Christian holidays only, or
make those days normal working days, and let everyone take the day off on
the religious holidays that
Behalf Of Marc Erickson
Hmmm...they redo ours about every five years or so...
Our notes are made of polymer, not paper, and have a transparent window.
Almost impossible to counterfeit. Treasury here recommends that, if in doubt
about a note being counterfeit, try to tear it.
Oh, and each
At 01:14 PM 5/24/01 -0700 Darryl Shannon wrote:
Sure America is great, I personally like it a lot. But it
is just a country.
Actually, we're the Shining City on a Hill.
Seriously.
Allow me to explain.
The United States of America isn't just a country in the sense that it is
the country
First, a little hint for you all: every so often, look at the subject
line of the thread you are replying to. If it makes no sense, try
changing it! You'd be surprised at how much less confusing it makes
things!
Now, let's address Kat's question about whether the Cold War was worth
it.
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