At $10/watt, this is about 4 million.
How badly do you want to see this demo?
I don't expect to see it, ever. But, that demo is an example of the very
easy baby steps that would have to be taken very early in the project. The
fact that we don't have a demo of baby steps is a very good
It looks like a combination of Skylon, a project being developed in the UK
and big propulsion lasers will get the
cost to under $100/kg to GEO.
Do you have any vidios of lasers holding up, say, a 10kg object, for 20
minutes and keeping it under control. This would be one of the easy
I never knew the good doctor founded google until I read it in Yahoo news as
part of a scandel.
Alleged Affair of Google Co-Founder Brin Raises Ethical Issues
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I never knew the good doctor founded google until I read it in Yahoo news
as
part of a scandel.
Maybe, but he would have had to change his name from David to Sergei.
Didn't you know, David translated into Russian is Sergei, I knew a Sergei
from Russia. He used Sergei when founding Google to
Hi Debbi,
I don't think you've been deleted. But we've been real quiet.
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I sent this to a single person instead of the list due to Killer B being
changed (probably automatically) from the sender to a cc. I think this
happened a couple of other times. I've gotten replies, but will not post
them, because they aren't my emails. But if the sender would, or would give
That's not how slow poison works. People don't die for smoking a cigarette,
or for smoking 100
cigarettes a day for 30 years. But then they die in the 31st year.
The difference, of course, is that there were a large number of symtoms,
very statistically significant differences in longevity,
If you have a better way to get humanity off fossil fuels, don't keep it to
yourself.
I have actions that, given historical precident, have a much better chance
of suceeeding.
Make a good case that it's cheaper and I will support that instead of
working on power satellites
and laser
Of course, it would make sense to integrate water and wind plants,
probably even using the wind
turbines to power the pumps directly. But that's a problem with politics,
not technology.
I beg to differ. The obvious problem is geography. Pump storage is highly
used in Switzerland, and they
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:13 AM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses
On 11/30/2012 8:49 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
So, they were
Unfortunately, we already have surplus crop and other produce. In order to
keep the price up,
surplus is destroyed.
I goggled for that in the US, and it referred to this happening during the
Great Depression, when prices were so low during the deflationary era that
it wasn't worth the cost of
Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a
country-wide electric grid, only some parts of the Rain Forest are outside
it). It helps save water and not consume natural gas when the wind blows.
So, Wind is _not_ one black swam away, it can be used complementary to other
With all due respect, Keith, I've been hearing arguments like this for
50 years.
That's impressive hearing considering that the big, high efficiency lasers
that make this
concept possible have been around for less than 5 years.
This particular combination, I haven't heard for 50 years.
Yup, oil production is not as harmless as nuclear bomb tests.
It depends on how close you are to the nuclear bomb test. But, oil is
generally lower in radioactivity than bananas. If you are far enough away
from the test, then the radiation is so low, it's orders of magnitude below
what you get
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To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: Greens add to Greenhouse gasses
On 11/27/2012 5:18 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Really cheap
The measure of a civilization could be said to be it's consumption of
energy and how it uses resources. Conspicuous v. sustainable...
At what point was civilization sustainable without depending on unknowable
innovations in the future? It would have to be before steel, because
blacksmithing
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Subject: Power and civilization
The measure of a civilization could be said to be its consumption of
Really cheap power if we bootstrap by building one power satellite and use
it for propulsion
lasers to bring up parts for thousands.
With all due respect, Keith, I've been hearing arguments like this for 50
years. One thing would help you establish credibility. Can you point to a
design of
Since we don't want this list dominated by carved Norwegian tourist shop
items, I thought I'd throw out an argument. I have seen Germany and Japan
shutting down nuclear energy, after the Greens have suceeded in making it
non-PC. They had argued that the energy will be replaced by renewaable
I would like to clarify one thing that I said and to comment on something
Johnathan Mann said.
I said:
While self respect is critical, and one shouldn't put up a false front
to get respect, earning the respect of those who have achieved less
than you can be very beneficial.
While I
How about Hayek?
Half of the article that I'm giving a link to talks about him. It is written
by another Nobel prize winner, and gives a very interesting account how his
professional and popular works differ. I like the comparison of him to Marx,
it makes a lot of sense to me...partially because
A few will engage with you for the same unfortunate reason (to try to
correct you), but then it
just becomes a matter of who can be a bigger bully.
I'm not sure about that. Kevin, for example never struck me as a bully.
And, I've never seen a counter-argument with facts and logic as
It is not like you are a successful politician. Why would anyone care about
having your respect?
I actually think this is a statement made in good faith. IMHO, you would
grow if you were able to understand the answer to that question. While self
respect is critical, and one shouldn't put up a
Perhaps the patent equivalen of GPL?
Because the answer to why can't we apply the wiki idea to publishing
information? was copyrights and licenses until GPL became a viable
solution ..
There is a difference. I have an unused trade secret in my back pocket.
When I came up with it, it was a
BTW, my doctoral dissertation at the University of Michigan involved
banking and monetary issues. One
of the best lessons I learned was that people who really understand what
they are talking about can say it it plain English.
Well, that just makes you as suspect as the non-financial faculty of
BTW, my doctoral dissertation at the University of Michigan involved
banking and monetary issues. One of the best lessons I learned was
that people who really understand what they are talking about can say it
it plain English.
Which makes it ironic that you are potentially misleading people
I didn't see this, so I'm resending it. Apologies if others had:
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Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: Where to now?
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Dan Minette danmine
OK, you found someone with a Nobel prize to follow. Why not the score of
Nobel prize winners who don't believe in the gold standardsand wasn't he
a cowinner of the prize with someone with strongly differing views. :-)
Are you really that big a fan of deflation? An, how can you explain that
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Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:34 PM
To: Jonathan Louis Mann
Subject: Where to now?
Now that the election is past and Obama doesn't have to worry about his
This is largely the result of a shift to capital gains income, rather than
productivity-based income
among the top few percent, who have gobbled up the growing gap between
productivity and income.
There are two problems that face workers. First, productivity has outpaced
demand. Second, the
Dave wrote:
It's sounding more and more like I need to get a copy of Gautam's book.
Well, I admit I'm very biased in this, so I think my comments need to be
taken with a grain of salt. But, to have a book that considers Lincoln as a
near singular example of excellence in a unfiltered leader
Why can't we apply the wiki idea to _engineering_?
Because wikipedia is a collection of knowledge. Breakthroughs are typically
done by a few people. It's seeing what no-one has seen before, not
compiling all the stuff people have seen. It would be akin to having a
masterpiece painted by
There is one and only one factor that creates jobs, and it is not wealthy
people. That one factor is
customers.
I differ here. Not that middle class consumers are not more important than
the top 0.1% getting more money, I agree with that.
But, Clay's article is deeper than that. Look at all
Dave Land, you must buy this book! - Doris Kearns Goodwin
Sounds like your interest in Lincoln has gotten connected to one of the
experts on Lincoln. I'm happy for you.
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Sounds like this, about which I first heard the inventor speak at
TEDxSanJoseCA in 2011:
The group I was thinking of has a slightly different biological approach.
It is Joule Unlimited I really don't have a dog in the fight over which
company wins, I just hope someone does. It should take
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:56 PM
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Hi,
last big innovation, and are have Apple winning market
However, the best bugs are introduced during programming, but much
earlier. Catching bugs at the earliest possible time is expensive, but
the ROI is immense and outweighs the cost by several orders of
magnitude. Of course, any manager who was reading this dropped out at
the word expensive,
Nick wrote
Sounded like a classic scalability problem.
I would guess otherwise. This would be an interesting geekish debate to
have. My guess is that its akin to the problem with Star Wars software,
which was assumed to work first time untested. From what I read, their
software did not lend
On Star Wars, it worked as a bluff, but I don't think Reagan was bluffing.
I think he believed. I know as a fact that the Defense Department said they
would require that all programming for applications they used would have to
be done in Ada (I think within 5 years) because Ada was a compiler
I didn't realize how unclear it is whether Reagan and other top officials
regarded it as a bluff or
not, until I poked around a bit just now. Easy to see how they might have
started off serious, then
decided to re-write history and say it was all a bluff. I have some
up-close and personal
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 3:17 AM
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Subject: Obama II
So... What about Obama's reelection?
Here in
In terms of the popular vote, as of now Obama has 61,174,297 votes, while
Romney has 58,172,063 votes A difference of 3,002,234, so a fair margin and
decisively winning the popular vote for Obama.
The difference is going to be slighly above 2.5% and slightly above the Bush
margin over Kerry, but
I forwarded this to Gautam. Tom Friedman reviewed Gautam's book in his
Wednesday after the election column, when he had to meet his first deadline.
But Gautam was personally unfortunate that he, I was right about how quickly
Obama's victory was sealed, and by how much (I had him winning only
Thanks, Dan. I saw Friedman's column when it came out - very impressive.
We'll be hearing a lot
from Gautam's work, I expect.
I hope so. Your column was also impressive.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 5:46 PM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
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Huh???
Spam spam spam spam lovely spam, wonderful spam.a spambot got
you might want to pause to declaws those paws, and get a giant sand box.
Well, it shouldn't turn out to be as big a problem as y'all think. The cat
comes trained to go on the water and the claws make great substitutes for
daggerboards.
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Dave wrote:
Very true, and if I fail as a parent, it is in showing too much interest in
the world my son inhabits, rather than following the model of generations
past and bending him to my will!
My wife and I, and our grown children, have talked about how we (and in
general our generation) have
David Land wrote:
Yes, I know that superior people are supposed by other superior people
to be above enjoying video games, but I guess I'm just not that superior.
I really don't do video games much anymore because it's not something my
wife enjoys; it's just the two of us, and we are on a lake.
This morning here, Thor seems awfully annoyed about something, and the
gutters are overflowing. Started just before the start of the eclipse
(Moon had already gone behind the tree line as well). Supposed to do this
off and on all day today and tonight and into tomorrow sometime. Hoping it
George Lucas, after being fought tooth and nail by his neighbors on his plan
to bring a movie studio to his property has given up the attempt and is now
planning on having affordable housing built on the property instead. He
fought big high priced sub-divisions being built there, to no avail
If
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:31 PM
To: Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion
Subject: Re: Land Wars, Revenge of the Director
On May 15, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Dan Minette wrote
I think that something is missing in the charts that argue for a great drop
in gasoline. If you look at the official gasoline consumption chart, it
gives a very different story:
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PETs=MGFUPUS1f=M
There's been a 10% drop since the peak in 2007,
BTW, isn't it funny that, in 2011, Brazil was a huge importer of USA's
ethanol? So, the american taxpayers are financing brazilian sugar exports.
Yes, it shows that that the most critical factor in determining America's
interest is who wins the Iowa caucus.
Dan M.
Nick wrote:
That's just weird. Could you check the archive page now and then and let
me know if there seems to be any pattern to what's not arriving?
I've noticed that, just in the last few days, I don't see my own posts. Most
of the time I get my posts just like everyone elses.
Dan M.
Nick wrote:
One of the data points NetBase has developed is that despite Twitter,
Facebook, etc., the real conversation still happens, and is increasing, in
forums, list servers, etc. Discussion tends to start in the new social
media, but if it has any depth, it goes into venues where some
Behalf Of Ticia
And why do I keep getting this?
We all do when we post. There's still a few bugs in the system. :-)
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Is someone now foreclosing on the Sun?!
Yes, with newspaper readership down, ad rates are down, and the Sun is being
foreclosed on. Even the Grey Lady is at risk.
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The bankruptcy of Solyndra has now brought in the FBI. I'm sure most folks
are well aware that they got about half a billion in loans from the US
Department of Energy before going bankrupt. That's a fair amount of money
for a company. I wonder if anyone knows if
1) It was a boilerplate
A few Catholics still insist Galileo was wrong - latimes.com
It was a ROTFLMAO piece for me. It was really fun to see how both Notre Dame
and the Vatican Observatory were in the are these guy real? mode. I gave
my first paper at a high energy physics symposium at Notre Dame, and saw the
head of
License, registration, proof of insurance, and cell phone, please.:
Isn't that a separate issue: unreasonable search and seizure?
That said, the existence of that data in consolidated.db on iPhones
(most likely as the result of an error or oversight, as it turns out,
rather than nefarious
I don't seem to be at my brightest today. I just reread what you said
in the previous digest and could not find anything related to energy
much less shaving a trillion dollars.
Could you explain?
Sure, I've just talked about it so much here, I didn't repeat because I
thought I'd bore everyone
Well, you sure have *my* attention if you have a way to solve the
world's energy problem with $12 million.
I'm just pointing out how technology has been developed. The example I gave
didn't solve the world's energy problems, it just shaved slightly trillion
dollars off the price of energy over
it just shaved slightly trillion
should be
it just shaved slightly 1 trillion
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Any thoughts?
Yes, their website looks like vaporware. I tried to find how many hundreds
of millions of income their inventions are generatingor at least
hardware that incorporates their inventions as one of two or three
components generates.
It's not that high of a hurdle, after all...for
I was thinking, after my response, how many of the biggest revolutionary new
companies started small. HP and Apple both started in the proverbial
garage. Gates founded DOS on software he bought for $3000. Walton started
with a single store and expanded to overcome the giants of K-Mart, Penney's
I thought a few old timers might be interested in the news that Gautam has
just gotten an offer of a professorship at Harvard Business School. It does
sound like a mis-match, his PhD was in international affairs and security
studies. But, his dissertation was on leadership, and it applies very
The truth seems to be between these two arguments.
I think that's valid. Rockets were a technology who's time had come. I
think the fact that delivering 1000 bombs could destroy a nation had
something to do with how quickly they were developed at first, but in a
world that had a jet starting
Oh, I see, Wikipedia. I am now totally convinced of your standing as
a eminent public health epidemiologist.
Just to get the population. The critical documentation was that they _did_
exclude the Fallujah area and that their techniques came up with 200k deaths
in that region which, if true,
I think there have been discussions here previously about vaccines, and
while there might well be some people, especially children, who can have
difficulty with multiple vaccines, the issue of vaccination causing autism
is particularly fear-inducing. But the 1998 'study' has been judged
Martin wrote
To start with, this is not a study on US induced deaths in Iraq. More
importantly, this story about the Fallujah cluster is something you
have simply made up.
Are you saying that Fallujah wasn't excluded because of problems with the
results there? Seriously? Or are you saying I'm
I'm really suppose to be working, but this took me 5 minutes to find:
From
http://www.iraqanalysis.org/local/041101lancetpmos.html
Which argued for the Lancet article and against the British government
response and I quote:
quote
Had the Fallujah sample been included, the survey's estimate
Only a sociopath and pervert can think that
breastfeeding is pornography. It's disrespectful
to breastfeeding (and to pornography too, but wfc?)
All the billions that g*vernments invest all the
time to make mothers breastfeed, and those sociopaths
and perverts create a Social Network that
A business decision that injures public health.
Were facebook the internet, you might have something. But, I just typed
breastfeeding videos into google, and got a zillion hits, checked the first
one, and found a site with over a score of videos. Some had nothing to do
with public health;
What if this happened
70 years ago and Manhattan Project was leaked to the nazis
(or even the soviets)?
It was leaked to the Soviets. While Joe McCarthy was able to find 100%
of the communist activists working for the Soviet Union in the United States
(names kept in his locked briefcase),
I'm generally for transparency and haven't heard of anything yet that
is beyond mildly embarrassing to the U. S. government. I do think
where the safety of our troops is concerned confidentially is
important, but that government secrets should have a relatively short
shelf life in all cases.
I wonder if the reason the USSR was engaging in
brinkmanship was less for imperialism and exporting
communism, than from fear of the U.S. threat.
Wouldn't a reasonable person analyze the stated US policy towards the Soviet
Union since about '48, and look at the history between '48 and
The biggest fallacy regarding it was the Soviet threat which was always
exaggerated. Neither militarily nor politically did the soviet Union (or
China and other 'communist allied') ever pose an existential threat to
the U.S.
So, if the US didn't fight the cold war, let it's military expenditures
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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 7:10 PM
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So, if the US didn't fight the cold war, let it's military
Euan wrote:
I understand the problem. Context doesn't travel or easily survive in
these written forums.
By posturing I was refering to the military deployments in Europe as an
existential threat (meaning the liklihood of them being used in an
invasion of Western, or Eastern, Europe).
Ah, quite
But the second; I'd suggest the US is in this war for the benefit of
several corporations, and that they still can and will benefit. There was
never any possibility these wars would benefit the country, anyway; it
always has been about providing opportunity for Halliburton, et al.
Such wars also
Charlie wrote:
...and judging by GDP figures, the USA is still fighting the Cold War.
Hmmm, I looked it up, and military outlays under GWB as a % of GDP were less
than they were under Carter, around 4% or a bit less. vs. Carter's 5%+. And
he said that the US was going to have to increase
It is quite possible that we falter over the next two years, sliding back
into depression. One of the most depressing figures is that the average
GDP
growth rate for the last 30 years will result in unemployment increasing,
since we need 3%/year growth to tread water.
Not what I meant,
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Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:49 PM
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Dan wrote:
Well, the US did
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Underwater mortgages and the economy (Dan Minette)
Keith wrote
Doug wrote:
Or a negative black swan, pardon me for pointing out what might happen.
The blackest of black swans.
It is quite possible that we falter over the next two years, sliding back
into depression. One of the most depressing figures is that the average GDP
growth rate for the last 30
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Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:28 PM
To: brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Energy projects was Underwater mortgages and the economy
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Dan
High pulse energy, high repetition rate diode-pumped solid state lasers now
have an efficiency of around 10%.
OK, that's a lot better than when I was kicking around inertia fusion.
Factors of 5-10 (it might have been as much as 2% efficient back in 1980)
every 30 years is nothing to sneeze at,
Interesting perspective in the LA Times.
But a bigger problem may turn out to be the millions of Americans who are
still faithfully paying their mortgages, but on houses
worth far less than before the bubble burst. It's not that these homeowners
will stop making their payments. It's just the
No question, either extreme is bad. But how to manage the volatility is
the billion -
or is that trillion? - dollar question.
There are several things to consider here. First is the obvious. We
require real truth in selling, and for the sellers to know what they are
selling. Along with this
Charlie wrote:
Define current??? FFS I feel your pain. Any lease that's live that is
legal and still has +6 months to run should be enough, no matter how old it
is.
I was wondering about that too. For example, we're renting now with a legal
lease. But, the lease technically says month to month
Or, look at it this way: you are being honorable if you pay all the debt,
as long as you can do so physically (not financially, which is all the law
seems to require).
OK, so two parties sign a contract. Shouldn't both parties know what is in
the contract? In particular, shouldn't a big bank
I answered this in another post, but I'll explain a little bit
differently here. I see the mortgage insurance as insurance against
the borrower being UNABLE to pay back the money, not just choosing to
default.
Well you can see things however you wish, that is your prerogative.
However, if you
Nick,
Your clarification makes things sound quite different to me. I'll agree
that being off by 2% on a payment due to a misunderstanding is not
reasonable grounds for breaking a deal especially if they fouled up
substantially. If all you are asking is for an interest rate that matches
the
John Williams wrote:
Only if you consider honesty and keeping your word to be ridiculous.
An honorable person would not agree to borrow money from anyone,
even a loan shark, if they thought that there was any possibility
that they would not be able to honor their agreement and pay back
the
This is reposted, since the original response went to just Brad, since he
was first on the reply list, which included Brin-L
I really wouldn't feed the troll any more, if I were you...
I think I have a narrower definition of troll than you do. I accept that
folks can have understandings of the
I really wouldn't feed the troll any more, if I were you...
I think I have a narrower definition of troll than you do. I accept that
folks can have understandings of the world that I see has having internal
inconsistencies. I think that John is not putting forth a false front; I
think he posts
John and Brad wrote:
If by loan modification, you mean getting someone else to pay back
some of the money that you borrowed, you might want to consider that
it is likely that it will ultimately be average taxpayers footing the
bill, and whether it is fair that taxpayers who did not agree to your
John wrote:
Heh, very funny. Sure, you can assume I do not disagree with everyone
in the world. And you can likely draw some typically erroneous
conclusions from your assumptions.
It would help it if you didn't dodge facts and direct questions that poke
holes in your arguments. We all have
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