Uplift Parity: was Notes on Uplift

2004-01-07 Thread Trent Shipley
On Wednesday 2003-12-24 06:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote: If we want 1MY mean life-spans, then 11% clients and 5% patrons might provide for interesting but not grossly inequitble politics consistent with existing sources on the Uplift Universe. Uh? I picked 11% I got the 11%. I didn't

Habitable Planets: was Notes on Uplift

2004-01-07 Thread Trent Shipley
On Wednesday 2003-12-24 06:22, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: My estimate includes all five. Of course, as in Drake's equation, each factor has an error from 10% to 900% :-) * about 10 planets per race * about 200,000 races Alberto, as I recall Drake's Equation has

Re: Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite

2003-12-24 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2003-12-23 23:27, Deborah Harrell wrote: jaw dropping How can you *possibly* equate sexual activity between consenting adults to abortion? Especially since homosexual sex has *no* chance of leading to abortion? With the disclaimer that I do not know JDG's personal views on the

Zhuup

2003-12-23 Thread Trent Shipley
the ur species was developed in part using the system in SeJ's Uplift 2nd ed. Zhuup ab-Lesh ab-Erbl ab-Kosh ab-Rosh ab-Tothtoon ul-Zinth ul-Lotip ul-Byldur The Lesh as members of the Tothtoon Superclan and clients of the Erbl began their career in Galactic Civilization from a very

Re: Notes on Uplift

2003-12-23 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2003-12-22 08:45, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: I have done some estimates on this. From data from GURPS Uplift and from Contacting Aliens, I estimate: * about 2 million populated planets at each time Across how many galaxies? All five of them. (Note

Re: Notes on Uplift

2003-12-23 Thread Trent Shipley
We approximate the rate of uplift as an average of 1.1 client per mature species. (The [fictional] real rate has to include non-reproducers and mortality and some growth in the number of citizen species it must be between 1.01 and 1.2.) Clients are not fairly distributed. Lets assume

Re: Rush Limbaugh is a hypocrite

2003-12-23 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2003-12-23 22:09, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 10:52 PM 12/23/2003 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: I think the point Tom is riffing on is that Rush has repeatedly claimed that there is no constitutional right to privacy. That would likely apply also to medical records. Why does arguing

Re: Notes on Uplift

2003-12-23 Thread Trent Shipley
Your model seems to be pre-uplift (stage 0) - uplifting client (stages 1 to 4?) - indentured client (stage 5?) Since stage has the same population, and assuming mortality is minimal, each stage must take the same amount of time. Yes: the period where a species is under uplift may

Notes on Uplift

2003-12-21 Thread Trent Shipley
Naturally, since I stopped publishing the Encyclopedia, I have had a burst of creativity with Uplift Universe created topics. One topic leads to another. In the course of thinking about the Tothtoon, the question arises of how uplift, in a political and demographic sense works. The first

Re: christianism is evil, why it must be eradicated

2003-12-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2003-12-21 16:38, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I read a note in a br newspaper yesterday, and it basically said something like this: hey, folks, you think the USA is a christian country, but it's not; in fact, christians have been persecuted with violence, with the g*vernment approval

Non-PC Humor from other lands

2003-12-20 Thread Trent Shipley
This was retold by VS Naipaul: In days of yore the Shah is reviewing the troops. He holds a rifle before a private and asks, Soldier what is your name? Private Ahmed, your highness! He takes Ahmed's rifle and examines it. What is this Private Ahmad? It is my rifle Sir! The Shah says No. it

Re: Lesh

2003-12-13 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2003-12-13 05:36, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: Lesh ab-Tothtoon ab-Rosh ab-Kosh ab-Erbl ul-Zhuup ul-Vijls ul-Lith ul-Heebi Erbl? Erbl uplifted them? I picked Erbl because I thought it was an unused nonsense word. Has it been used already for something

Notes on Junior Members of Clan Thennanin

2003-12-13 Thread Trent Shipley
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Re: Notes on Junior Members of Clan Thennanin

2003-12-13 Thread Trent Shipley
I want our good Dr. Brin to contradict GURPS--again! The Garthlings chose their own cohorts, numans and chimpanzees. Clearly in violation of the rules as set up by GURPS. I don't think its in violation of GURPS rules. Its just a violation of standard behavior. Few pre-level-one clients

Lesh

2003-12-12 Thread Trent Shipley
At least it is on topic. - Lesh ab-Tothtoon ab-Rosh ab-Kosh ab-Erbl ul-Zhuup ul-Vijls ul-Lith ul-Heebi The Lesh are at the pinnacle of their career as a main-sequence species. Staunch

Re: Br!n: and now the TV series are pirateeing your characters!

2003-12-04 Thread Trent Shipley
Can the estate of Edgar Rice Burroughs sue for the use of John Carter ... of Mars? On Thursday 2003-12-04 20:05, Davd Brin wrote: Heh! tell me if he is... well... 'colored' --- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the 10th season of E.R., one of the student-medicals [I never

Re: [A4P] Change of address

2003-11-24 Thread Trent Shipley
I have removed my site. If you have links, please update them to point to Matt's site. Congratulations to Matt Lundstrom, the new A4P Encyclopedia Editor in Chief. As of now the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia is available at http://www.geocities.com/allianceforprogress (update your

Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia

2003-10-27 Thread Trent Shipley
: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:04:55 -0700 Mr. Lundstrom Please scan my exchange with Trent Shipley below. In addition to other concerns expressed below, Trent is right that I would require a bold and well placed disclaimer stating

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-14 Thread Trent Shipley
Just my point. Historically, upper-echelon IT workers have been very liberterian and anti-union. Serves 'em right. (telecom workers are another matter) On Sunday 2003-09-14 03:46, The Fool wrote: From: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yeah? So join a union or quit whining

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-13 Thread Trent Shipley
Yeah? So join a union or quit whining. On Saturday 2003-09-13 11:47, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan Coffey wrote: [[BTW: you were so angry when you replied that it showed in many typographical errors...]] You should never make such assumptions. I

Re: No Americans Need Apply

2003-09-11 Thread Trent Shipley
What is your point? That is economics, supply and demand. You can try to do something about it, but in the end it will only make things worse. The real answer is a global market in labor. Nations and patriotism are evil things. On Thursday 2003-09-11 21:59, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Alberto

Re: Trickle down vrs trickle up economics

2003-07-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2003-07-20 18:54, Kevin Tarr wrote: From: Trent Shipley In the US a huge problem with all 'trickle up' policies is that they require legislative intervention. Laizie Faire (sp?) economic systems stabilize with huge income and wealth disparities. In the US a combination

Re: Trickle down vrs trickle up economics

2003-07-21 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2003-07-21 03:57, Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 03:15:47AM -0700, Trent Shipley wrote: The real problem with share the wealth, trickle up programs, besides the fact that it might be immoral to tax the rich, is that they slow growth. Do you have any data to support

Re: Trickle down vrs trickle up economics

2003-07-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Sunday 2003-07-20 14:36, Robert J. Chassell wrote: trickle down: more money to the rich The argument for giving more money to the rich than to the poor is that the rich save more. (That is to say, they save a higher portion of additional income; in

Re: Great Library URL?

2003-06-18 Thread Trent Shipley
? http://personal.vineyard.net/robinson/library/welcome.htm gives a message that it moved to http://www.islanderis.net/users/timbo/library but that URL does not work at all. -- Trent Shipley phone:602.375.8683 cell:602.413.9837 mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u.arizona.edu/~tshipley

Re: Brin: Stuff for the Gurps Uplift Site.

2003-06-17 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2003-06-17 12:37, d.brin wrote: Dear Trent, I am sorry to hear about the employment situation. Wish I could help. I can well understand wanting to move on to other interests. Is A4P stored and available online? If so, would you like to allow gamers access to its trove of

Re: Bible scholars rejoice at signs

2003-03-15 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 2003-03-15 09:54, Julia Thompson wrote: The Fool wrote: More problematic is the fatalistic worldview of apocalyptic thinking, Hill said. Many who obsess about the end of the world fail to enjoy the life they have or reach out to help others in an effort to improve society, he

Re: The Space Shuttle Must Be Stopped

2003-02-02 Thread Trent Shipley
Aerospace has hit a technological wall, as far as I can see. 30 year old designs are still competitive in the commercial market head to head against modern designs. Contrast that with computers. I do not think this is true. There are certainly some vernerable designs for airframes--for

Re: NASA Historical budget

2003-02-02 Thread Trent Shipley
Have allocations changed? I can see the 1960's budgets going to Cold War theatre. There are (at least) three big parts to the NASA budget: 1) Manned space flight. 2) Unmanned solar-system exploration. 3) Basic Research (my favorite). Eg: fluid-dynamics, propulsion for civil aviation, and

Nation States -- Sovereign States

2003-01-28 Thread Trent Shipley
You give Trent website with scripting and database access..and maybe nice domain name, Trent give you SovereignStates knock-off of Nation States game with way more detailed political-economic simulation. Many fun dials and toggles for administrators. Make GPL code! Hokey-dokey! nifty deal!

Re: Uplift (was RE: Is Anyone Else Offended By This?)

2003-01-15 Thread Trent Shipley
Hamsters. They have very dexterous (if somewhat small) hands, the *love* exploring (my wife and I can put our hamster in her hamster ball and she'll run around the house for hours), and they are quite smart and strong, as evidenced by their ability to escape from any cage. Ours escaped

Re: Uplift (was RE: Is Anyone Else Offended By This?)

2003-01-14 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2003-01-14 21:31, Jim Sharkey wrote: Jon Gabriel wrote I would think that would depend on whether or not the Kiqui go well with saffron flavored rice and Episiarch gravy... They're not recognized sapients, after all, so they might just be good eatin'. I bet they can pass

Re: Can pop music make the Arab world love us?

2003-01-12 Thread Trent Shipley
Arab pop-music and Quran recitation are definitely prominent in the audioscapes of Cairo and Amman. On Sunday 2003-01-12 13:17, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://slate.msn.com/id/2076531/ Imagine it were possible to stem the rising tide of anti-Americanism in the Arab world. (I like to think

Re: SCOUTED: Segway scooter hot seller online

2002-12-28 Thread Trent Shipley
On Saturday 28 December 2002 07:14 pm, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 08:16:59PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: I would imagine the Segways internal gyroscopic system would make it *hard* to trip. Want to bet? It it is going 10mph and hits an unmoving object at the right

Re: How much do people care about their own health? (Was:dorepublicans/politicians care...)

2002-12-17 Thread Trent Shipley
I do not believe that technology strongly influences moral norms. Psychiatrists and psychologists did not de-medicalize homosexuality or inversion until the 1970's (I think). If we could have played with our genes in 1950 or 1900 we would have targeted the disease of sexual inversion. Many

Re: [LINK] What Science Fiction Author Are You?

2002-12-13 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 13 December 2002 06:34 pm, Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: Stefan Jones posted this link on another board to which I subscribe: http://gning.org/skiffy.html In light of recent discussions, I thought this result was interesting: You are: John Brunner His best known works are

Re: Galactic Moderates

2002-12-07 Thread Trent Shipley
their eternally immature and ungrateful species. On Friday 06 December 2002 11:40 pm, Trent Shipley wrote: No. In the Fi.. er Four Galaxies a Greepeace style doctrine is solidly conservative--in no way reactionary. Most Thennanin would be encouraged and hopeful that even a t-i-n-y fraction of Human

Re: Galactic Moderates

2002-12-06 Thread Trent Shipley
On Friday 06 December 2002 08:48 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: William Taylor wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbi Galactic Moderate? Maru See, that's your problem. No one in the Four Galaxies listens to the moderates, you should know that! :-) Moderates? Moderates don't exist. Any

Re: Galactic Moderates

2002-12-06 Thread Trent Shipley
remains unopened, the bomb will not explode.) On Friday 06 December 2002 10:45 pm, Jim Sharkey wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: The Tymbrimi are on the Looney Left of Galactic politics. They scare the @#$% out of moderates. So they're like Greenpeace, only without the flannel and Birkenstocks

Re: rain

2002-12-05 Thread Trent Shipley
For a first order approximation you would throw away topography as irrelevant (after all, it starts at only 30% and gets smaller as you add water) and you would treat the Earth as a proper sphere using distance from the center of the sphere to mean sea level as diameter. Assume a constant

Techno Dance Itch

2002-12-04 Thread Trent Shipley
Last week, being then employed and interested in social activity and exercise, I took a free dance lesson from an acquaintance. The main thing I learned was that music is a scarce and precious commodity in a dance studio. You can only put one, or at most two, sets of music over the loud

Re: Techno Dance Itch

2002-12-04 Thread Trent Shipley
my friend _might_ want to practice by herself, but at the studio, and using her mini-cast receiver. 2e -- Audio 6:mini-cast OR audio stored in reciver unit. On Wednesday 04 December 2002 11:37 pm, Russell Chapman wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: WANTED: a wireless audio system for very local

Re: [Brin-l] Attack Iraq, Alone if We Must

2002-09-21 Thread Trent Shipley
No. There is a point. Killing lots of people because they are enemies of the regime is state terrorism. It qualifies as simple mass murder. Killing lots of people, or even forcibly displacing them, because they are Bosnians or Croats, not Serbs is at best ethnic cleansing and at

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