Re: christian dreams of murder...

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, I would also point out that half of Washington has known Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, ... This may be true, although I have heard specific rebuttals to this claim. I hope you are wrong, because if it is true, then

Re: Re: christian dreams of murder...

Dan wrote: It wouldn't have had the same cadence. I'd be more than willing to agree that Jefferson would not be too disturbed by people who just accept his principals as self evident Truths without worrying about how they came to be. But, your argument reduces them from Truth to social norms.

Re: Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: christian dreams of murder... > Dan Minette wrote: > > > > > >

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I think you need Israeli right-wing POV here ... Ritu wrote <> The right way to judge such thing is by results. King Hussein got them. President Asad got them. Our policy *is* counter-productive, but for the wrong reason. Zahal should have bombed Jenin instead of sending foot soldiers in. Sheich

Re: Hanging Together (Was: christian dreams of murder...)

Deborah Harrell wrote: I'm not willing to stop driving my car, nor do I think that forbidding alcohol consumption is reasonable, although both might make my life safer#; leaving another person in 'permanent limbo' does not seem resonable to me either, and subjects our country to justifiable crit

Re: christian dreams of murder...

In a message dated 11/17/2003 4:04:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Its certainly true that the actions taken by parents are in response to > actions taken by kids. But, I was thinking more of the structure of > parenting, not the individual actions, once the if then >

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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:46:54AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > We normally say (I believe quoting Thomas Jefferson) that it's better > to let 10 guilty men go free than keep one innocent man in jail. The > problem in this situation is that, given the scale of the threat > involved, _that's not

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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:49:40PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > Cards are well known. Actually, no, poker is not well known. I chose my example somewhat carefully, although I did make the concession of talking about 5-card draw instead of the example I first thought of, no-limit Texas Hold'em, bec

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:19 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > In a message dated 11/16/2003 1:14:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECT

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> From: Doug Pensinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > He clearly believed that people have the right to believe > what they want > to, and to me the term creator is clearly ambiguous. He > could have made > it unambiguous by saying God instead of creator, he did not. I've also always found it

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: > That would satisfy the confidentiality requirements > and still do a very good job of sorting the innocent > from the guilty. That seems to me to be what the > government has in mind. Eventually. I don't understand this eventually bit. These people have been incarcerat

Hanging Together (Was: christian dreams of murder...)

The 'slippery slope' argument: One of the practical problems of letting our government keep a bunch of aliens, many of whom probably _are_ terrorists, in unlimited offshores legal limbo is that some in power will want to extend that 'option' to others, even American citizens. They want to declare

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: > --- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Oh, go ahead. If there are any factual errors in > > your commentary, I'll > > chime in with corrections; otherwise, I'll chime in > > with my opinions. > > Unlike you, I do not feel bound to insist that > > everything ever done by >

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Dan Minette wrote: I was evaluating this in terms of what you have said earlier is that things like human rights, morality, etc. comes from evolution. In other words, I was taking what you wrote in the context of your earlier writings. I never said that they come from evolution, I said that they

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Robert J. Chassell wrote: > > In 2003, the US does not continue to hold > any WWII German prisoners of war. > But only because they all died, otherwise I bet Rudolf Hess would still be in jail. Alberto Monteiro PS: oops, now I guess someone will call me a n***. _

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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:49:22AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Oddly enough, I am. Apparently alone among me, Erik, and you, though, > I've actually spent some time thinking about this issue. Erik's > probably not capable of it, but I would appreciate it if you actually > tried to answer my a

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> From: John D. Giorgis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > I would also point out that half of Washington has known > >Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not > >as if it's a major security breach either. None of > >this, of course, cam

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--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials are > neededthey can be held indefinately without trial until the > war on terror ends. The problems with this, compared to a war > like WWII, are obvious I think. To which Gautam

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--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But, you just said that you preferred military > justice. So is your > position also in opposition to the governments, and > are you willing to take > the risk of a military court setting AQ operatives > free? > Dan M. Eventually, yes. I'd like to se

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In a message dated 11/16/2003 1:14:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I don't understand how parents who without boundaries suceed. I've seen > plenty fail. I've also seen parents fail who are very strict and > controlling. Finding the balance looks to be essential to >

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In a message dated 11/15/2003 8:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence services of the rest of the world > were *shocked*, shocked I tell you, to learn that the wife > of an > ambassador was a spy. When Clinton was being impeached JD

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Since the issue of Britain's views on holding people prisoner without fair trial came up, I thought I would repost an editorial I posted in July from the British newspaper "The Economist". My impression (Britons, correct me if I'm wrong) is that the editorial expresses the sentiment of a majority o

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In a message dated 11/15/2003 8:05:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence services of the rest of the world > were *shocked*, shocked I tell you, to learn that the wife > of an > ambassador was a spy. So easy for you guys to be glib. Sh

Re: christian dreams of murder...

In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:46:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It has become rather vague since then. We _don't > know_ if it was a political appointee, a career civil > servant (someone in the SES could also be referred to > as a high administration official, for ex

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In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:47:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm missing something. Didn't Robert Novak claim that he > got his info from > a high administration official? What you are missing is the WSJ view of the world. Nothing the republicans do is wrong and

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In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:45:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > He refused to answer the question as to > whether he has or has not. Given how frantically the > Gore opposition research team was looking for evidence > that he had, and how much money they were spending

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In a message dated 11/15/2003 7:33:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > A claim for which you have _no_, as in zero, evidence. > A lot of people have _claimed_ that the > Administration leaked that name - all of them > liberals, oddly enough - but no one has provided even > a

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Dan Minette wrote: I said: Sufficiently ambiguous. Evolution is my creator. First, that wasn't Jefferson's idea. The idea of the enlightenment did not include the idea of human rights being a meme that evolved because it worked. Human rights didn't create me, the biological process called evo

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In a message dated 11/15/2003 10:10:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Why Jewish? Those who are taking steps in World Domination > are the Swiss People! They control the money, not the Jews Which of course they got from the german jews and did not bother to return after th

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In a message dated 11/15/2003 10:16:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > How many people have them regularly scheduled, anyway? The lucky ones ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: christian dreams of murder...

In a message dated 11/15/2003 9:18:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If people criticized The Fool for positing an article > "Jewish dreams of > world domination", would you feel the same way? No of course not. Since I agree with almost everything the Fool says I forgive

Re: christian dreams of murder...

In a message dated 11/15/2003 8:45:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Let's just say that I think that's noticeable. > > I'd say some incredible discrimination is noticable. All of > them are > human. How about being less coy about this. There is of course a difference. R

Re: Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: christian dreams of murder... > I sent this during the outage and

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote: > I remember Ruby Ridge and the controversy surrounding it. There was a > lot of debate concerning exactly what happened. The range of > interpretations that I saw was anything from a mistake under fire to > actions that should have ended up with the tri

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 09:08:07AM -0600, Dan Minette wr

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In a message dated 11/14/2003 10:44:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Just out of curiosity, if someone posted a fantasy about molesting a > child, saying that the darker parts of his mind imagined it but explaining > carefully that he would never advocate such a thing an

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: _In fact_ we have a problem. We have a group of people who are immensely motivated to kill Americans and who have attempted to do so in the past. Our system of justice was not created with people like that in mind. Are you saying that the U.S. system of justice was not cr

Fwd: Re: christian dreams of murder...

I sent this during the outage and havent seen it appear yet. Doug --- Forwarded message --- From: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:31:52 -0800 Dan Minette wr

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At 09:31 AM 11/15/2003 -0800, you wrote: --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I remember Ruby Ridge and the controversy > surrounding it. There was a lot > of debate concerning exactly what happened. The > range of interpretations > that I saw was anything from a mistake under fire to > a

RE: christian dreams of murder...

--- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, go ahead. If there are any factual errors in > your commentary, I'll > chime in with corrections; otherwise, I'll chime in > with my opinions. > Unlike you, I do not feel bound to insist that > everything ever done by > my country's government [or, to be mo

Re: christian dreams of murder...

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:33:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Perhaps at some point in the future you will learn how to talk to > people without insulting them. I have more important things to do > with my life than waste any more energy on you. Perhaps at some point in your life you will ou

Re: christian dreams of murder...

On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:37:04AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Historical illiterates should be careful about the references they > use. True illiterates should be careful about misreading what was written. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > > Cowards and bigots take away the rights of others > > in order to protect > > > their own skins. Self-confident adults extend fair > > treatment > > > to everyone > > > they encounter and accept the risks that freedom > > entails in order to > > > obtain the great bene

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--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didn't the British just have shoot to kill orders > with the IRA..even though > they were citizens? > > Dan M. Yes. Also internment camps (as William mentioned). The "concentration camp" was invented _by the British_ during the Boer War. Historical

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--- ritu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Cowards and bigots take away the rights of others > in order to protect > > their own skins. Self-confident adults extend fair > treatment > > to everyone > > they encounter and accept the risks that freedom > entails in order to > > obtain the great benefit

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Erik, you're clearly incapable of a discussion that's worth my time at this point. Perhaps at some point in the future you will learn how to talk to people without insulting them. I have more important things to do with my life than waste any more energy on you. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTE

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On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 09:08:07AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: > So, the fact that the US won the last two great battles doesn't mean > that our system of human rights is a logical byproduct of evolution, > any more than extreme nationalism would have been proven by a German > victory or the histori

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > > &

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On 16 Nov 2003, at 2:30 pm, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 16 Nov 2003, at 1:03 pm, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:42:05PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: (I suppose Erik will want us to invade Britain next). I suppose

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "William T Goodall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > > On 16 Nov 2003, at 1:03 pm, Erik Reuter wrot

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On 16 Nov 2003, at 1:03 pm, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:42:05PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: (I suppose Erik will want us to invade Britain next). I suppose Gautam will think that the British government would be so unjust, now or in the future, as to hold people captured in anot

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Erik Reuter wrote: > > Children close their eyes on the world. Adults have to live with > > their eyes open. > > Cowards and bigots take away the rights of others in order to protect > their own skins. Self-confident adults extend fair treatment > to everyone > they encounter and accept the ris

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:42:05PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Because of that we are forced to make choices. Pretending otherwise > is absurd, and arrogant fools can make all the claims of bigotry they > want (transferrence, perhaps?) but it doesn't make it any less true. And cowardly patrio

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Because we are _at war_. But I thought the war was over in Afghanistan and IraqAnd in the former, especially, rapid progress in nation buliding was going on - things on which future text books would be written. So perhaps it's time to try the detainees. > We didn't

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Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels? > > > > Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his > characters implied, > > > But if that was the opinion of a _character_, it does not > necessarily mean that it was the opinion of the _author_. Oh, ce

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- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > > - Original Message - > From: "Dou

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- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > Many of us that have > raised children or traine

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Gautam Mukunda wrote: Here's a question for you, if you think the Declaration should guide our actions. You supported Judge Roy Moore, right? "Endowed _by their Creator_ with certain inalienable rights..." Not so good for separation of church and state, is it? Sufficiently ambiguous. Evolutio

Re: christian dreams of murder...

At 06:47 PM 11/15/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > ---

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At 05:24 PM 11/15/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > So,

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At 04:43 PM 11/15/03 -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials > are neededthey can > be held indefinately without trial until the war on > terror ends. The > problems with this, compared to a war like WWII, ar

Re: Christian dreams of murder...

At 09:16 AM 11/15/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > Oh, good. > > > > blow job = good > > > > blow up nose = bad > > > > Thank you for clearing that up for me. > > You're welcome. You ma

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--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where in the above does it say that you have to > reside within certian > borders to deserve these rights? > > Doug Nowhere. Which is why the Declaration is a wonderful sentiment without force of law. Everyone on earth _should have_ those rights.

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"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent res

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--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, John D. Giorgis wrote: > > Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence services > of the rest of the world > > were *shocked*, shocked I tell you, to learn that > the wife of an > > ambassador was a spy. > > That was sarcasm, right?

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > > I would also point out that half of Washington has known > >Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not > >as if it's a major security breach either. None of > >this, of course, came ou

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:43:34PM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Their hysteria is fundamentally a product of immaturity - they are > like five years olds who want a diamond ring. Adults have to make > choices and understand the consequences on both sides of actions. I > _don't know_ for sure w

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At 04:33 PM 11/15/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > I would also point out that half of Washington has known >Valerie Plame was a CIA agent for years, so it's not >as if it's a major security breach either. None of >this, of course, came out in the press. Indeed, I am sure that the intelligence

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--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm missing something. Didn't Robert Novak claim > that he got his info from > a high administration official? > > Dan M. It has become rather vague since then. We _don't know_ if it was a political appointee, a career civil servant (someone in the S

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--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes and no. I've seen Rumsfeld state that no trials > are neededthey can > be held indefinately without trial until the war on > terror ends. The > problems with this, compared to a war like WWII, are > obvious I think. The > war on terror will not

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > --- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

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--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The Bush administration is doing a pretty good job > of this on their own. > > > xponent > In The News Maru > rob A claim for which you have _no_, as in zero, evidence. A lot of people have _claimed_ that the Administration leaked that name - all of th

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > So, Erik, be a reasonable person. How would you

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > , and maybe the names and faces of CIA > informan

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 09:21:34AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > See Erik, a key difference between you and me is I tend to say things > like "reasonable people can differ on this issue" and you don't. Actucally, the difference is that I don't think it is reasonable to hold an attitude that peop

Re: christian dreams of murder...

--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I remember Ruby Ridge and the controversy > surrounding it. There was a lot > of debate concerning exactly what happened. The > range of interpretations > that I saw was anything from a mistake under fire to > actions that should > have ended up with t

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--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > we are neither legally nor morally obligated to do > and > > Of course we are morally obligated to extend human > rights to humans. > That you consistently deny this is very sad. > > > -- > Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ See Erik, a key

Re: Fanatics (was: christian dreams of murder...)

From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 01:31 PM 11/14/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote: > >--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> <> > >> > >> Murder, Murder > >> > >> WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary > >> organization call

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JDG wrote: > > If people criticized The Fool for positing an article "Jewish > dreams of world domination", would you feel the same way? > Why Jewish? Those who are taking steps in World Domination are the Swiss People! They control the money, not the Jews. Alberto Monteiro _

Re: christian dreams of murder...

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 6:41 AM Subject: Re: christian dreams of murder... > A government sting that ends in the murder by Fede

Re: Fanatics (was: christian dreams of murder...)

At 01:31 PM 11/14/2003 -0800 Deborah Harrell wrote: >--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> <> >> >> Murder, Murder >> >> WASHINGTON-January 6, 2004. A paramilitary >> organization calling itself >> the Christian Liberation Front changed the bala

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Julia wrote... > Although I've heard of a case where someone got arrested > because he wrote > something in his private journal (on paper) along those lines. Don't > remember how they got hold of his private journal to be reading that. I remember the case you are talking about. I think this

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 06:22:13AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > If you don't think we're at war, there's a big hole in New York that > would argue otherwise. By your definition, which is apparently not the Congress has declared war, but as far as I can tell appears to be that there are some peo

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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Doug Pensinger wrote: > Just out of curiosity, if someone posted a fantasy about molesting a > child, saying that the darker parts of his mind imagined it but > explaining carefully that he would never advocate such a thing and why, > would that be just OK? Posting it here

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > > Oh, good. > > > > blow job = good > > > > blow up nose = bad > > > > Thank you for clearing that up for me. > > You're welcome. You may now return to your regularly scheduled blow

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Ronn wrote: > blow job = good > > blow up nose = bad Exactly. I am fully, 100% in support of blow jobs. I am unequivocably opposed to cocaine. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://aclipscomb.blogspot.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listi

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--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know what a "nice" trial is, but the > prisoners should receive > the same right to a fair a speedy trial that all > people are entitled to. > Innocent until proven guilty, you may have forgotten > in your war on all > non-Americans zeal. > > E

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At 09:30 PM 11/14/2003 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >So enough of this crap. Quit ganging up on the Fool (my god more of the nasty conspiracy - now I am defending the fool) > If people criticized The Fool for positing an article "Jewish dreams of world domination", would you feel the same wa

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:54:38AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Because we are _at war_. We didn't give German POWs Yeah, right, Gautam. I won't even bother to argue the at war point, which is laughable, but that you would argue that human rights should be ignored during war is just sad. > Ye

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:03:07AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > Oh, good. > > blow job = good > > blow up nose = bad > > Thank you for clearing that up for me. You're welcome. You may now return to your regularly scheduled blow job. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

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At 08:55 AM 11/15/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > Would that be anything like making a statement to the effect that "If > you don't condemn getting blow jobs in the office from underlings, you > tacitly endorse it, despite the fact t

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: > Would that be anything like making a statement to the effect that "If > you don't condemn getting blow jobs in the office from underlings, you > tacitly endorse it, despite the fact that for the average person it > can adversely a

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--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:37:36AM -0800, Gautam > Mukunda wrote: > > > Well, I don't actually think that holding people > who were fighting > > against the United States prisoner _is_ wrong. > > Exactly my point. How you can justify holding anyone > w

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At 08:17 AM 11/15/03 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:45:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Just to be clear - he has never made any such admission. He refused > to answer the question as to whether he has or has not. This would appear similar to your position on "if you don'

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 05:37:36AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Well, I don't actually think that holding people who were fighting > against the United States prisoner _is_ wrong. Exactly my point. How you can justify holding anyone without a fair trial and access to a lawyer is incredible. >

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--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wake up on the wrong side of bed, Gautam? Is it so > difficult to admit > that they are BOTH wrong? I haven't seen anyone here > trying to excuse > the former. The latter, however... > > > -- > Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ Well, I don't a

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:45:59AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > Just to be clear - he has never made any such admission. He refused > to answer the question as to whether he has or has not. This would appear similar to your position on "if you don't condemn it, then you tacitly endorse it". Wh

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 04:41:04AM -0800, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > A government sting that ends in the murder by Federal agents of an > American citizen holding her baby done at the behest of a liberal > Democrat is a worthy exercise of government power protecting > Americans. Holding non-citizens

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Ritu wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, do you object to Tom Clancy novels? > > Oh, I do. The first book of his I read, one of his characters implied, > But if that was the opinion of a _character_, it does not necessarily mean that it was the opinion of the _author_. > somewhere in the first 50 page

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