Julia Thompson wrote:
Maybe the US government should be involved in drug research, then?
Because either a corporation is doing the research or the government is.
(If there's another alternative I'm overlooking, please mention it.)
How about a system of government-sponsored rewards based on
Robert Seeberger wrote:
http://www.csi.edu/ip/ce/yesology/
The power of devotion.G
I wouldn't be touting Owner of a Lonely Heart as a product of
arguably the most talented rock band of all time, but that's just me...
--
Doug
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Julia Thompson wrote:
And they've been involved in trying to find cancer cures for a good number
of years -- I remember stories about my grandmother dealing with rats in
the 1950s -- and they haven't come up with much of a *cure* yet. They do
know more about cancer, though.
I don't know -
Julia Thompson wrote:
Maybe the US government should be involved in drug research, then?
Because either a corporation is doing the research or the government is.
(If there's another alternative I'm overlooking, please mention it.)
Corporations doing research using money from Federal grants
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2003_archives/002645.html
The Infamous Team B
Matthew Yglesias writes about the infamous Team B:
TAPPED: November 2003 Archives: IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED. Over the
weekend, The Boston Globe ran an interesting profile of Richard Pipes,
the
What with a republican senator threatening to revoke CBS's broadcast
licence over a miniseries that CBS was going to show, and the RNC
demanding editorial power over what CBS shows, when in fact CBS had
documentation for every single scene and line in the mini series, like
the following:
In
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:02 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Continuing Education
Robert Seeberger wrote:
http://www.csi.edu/ip/ce/yesology/
The power of devotion.G
I
Transcripts versions 1.0, 2.0:
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_11_02.html#002160
Recording:
http://australianpolitics.com.au/sounds/2003/10/03-10-23_bush-address-to
-parliament.ram
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: new wonder drug scours arteries clean
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:18:49 -0600 (CST)
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at
http://coldfury.com/reason/comments.php?id=P553_0_1_0_C
SANTORUM REVISITED -- AND THE ROOTS OF THEOCRACY
Following up on my previous post about Rick Santorum's remarks concerning
homosexuality, there are several parts of the transcript of his AP
interview deserving further comment. First, note
http://www.msnbc.com/news/752664.asp?cp1=1
GARBLING LINDA TRIPP
Damn! Theres that face on my AOL pop-up screen again. Oh to be
free of Linda Tripp and her lies. This CNN report is a complete bunch of
crap; a perfect example of how to spin a lazy reporter. The piece totally
Deborah Harrell wrote:
While I _understand_ why Boykin* has done so, I
strongly disagree with him; all who cast this war on
terror in a religious frame invoke Crusade on the
western (which Boykin has equated to 'fundamentalist
Christian') front, and jihad on the Muslim. That is a
recipe
I have a book at home that is largely a response to a
Reagan administration's assessment of Soviet military
power. It was extremely critical of the estimates the
Reagan administration had for Soviet Military power.
However, hinsight is 20/20 and ultimately the truth
was actually somewhere between
- Original Message -
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Team B
I have a book at home that is largely a response to a
Reagan administration's assessment of Soviet military
power. It
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And pharmacutical corporations are still evil greedy vile money
woshiping
pigs, only developing therapies they can patent.
You
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:19:14 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 1:02 AM
Subject: Fwd: Re: Continuing Education
Robert Seeberger wrote:
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there were no patents companies would still make
drugs. You know why?
Because it just _so_ easy for their competitors to
snap their fingers
and develop the same products without knowing how
the original company
made it, what steps were involved
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Continuing Education
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:19:14 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there were no patents companies would still make
drugs. You know why?
Because it just _so_ easy for their competitors to
snap their fingers
and develop the same products without knowing how
the
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is nonsense. Eli Lilly spent almost $1BB
taking
Prozac from nothing to molecule to market. Do you
know how much Lilly makes off Prozac in the US
right
now? Essentially nothing. Not even a rounding
error.
Lilly lost most of its Prozac
Gautam wrote
The core reason that American drug prices are so high
is free riding by the Europeans, who pay very low
prices for pharmaceuticals but get the benefit of
American and Japanese consumers paying for all the
RD. Take that away and the situation for American
and Japanese consumers
An interview on current string theory in the latest Scientific American with
Brian Green (G.D. had mentioned him a couple of days ago), author of The
Elegant Universe.
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006articleID=73A5-C100-1F80-B57583414B7F0103pageNumber=1catID=2
or
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is nonsense. Eli Lilly spent almost $1BB
taking
Prozac from nothing to molecule to market. Do you
know how much Lilly makes off Prozac in the US
right
now? Essentially nothing. Not even a
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
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Lilly lost most of its Prozac market share in
_weeks_
Most likely because of price. You can't tell me
that a company given a
17 year monopoly can't make a drug just as cheaply
as a newcomer.
It can. But it can't make them _any cheaper_ than a
The three hour program is available through streaming video here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html
Jon
Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com
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In a message dated 11/5/2003 11:23:18 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An interview on current string theory in the latest Scientific American
with
Brian Green (G.D. had mentioned him a couple of days ago), author of The
Elegant Universe.
Ah. The Nova episode was
The Fool quoted and commented. Or was it just quote?
http://coldfury.com/reason/comments.php?id=P553_0_1_0_C
SANTORUM REVISITED -- AND THE ROOTS OF THEOCRACY
Following up on my previous post about Rick Santorum's remarks concerning
homosexuality,
Sorry, but I don't understand. Which of
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool quoted and commented. Or was it just quote?
http://coldfury.com/reason/comments.php?id=P553_0_1_0_C
SANTORUM REVISITED -- AND THE ROOTS OF THEOCRACY
Following up on my previous post about Rick Santorum's remarks
concerning
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Scouted: String Theory Interview with Brian Green
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:15:29 EST
In a message dated 11/5/2003 11:23:18 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There was a slight bit of format loss from the site. I didn't comment on
this one, but I thought that it showed how Mr santorums ideology is
essentially the same as marx's except that santorum wants to force
everybody to be religious. That's the way it is
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Government can throw a much larger amount a money, and resources at
any given problem, and should, that one of it's functions. And this new
drug just proves my point. Corporations are too greedy to be in charge
of finding cures and remedies to peoples
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Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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And here I thought my kitties just increased my
risk of finding half-a-mouse on the doorstoop and
the
occasional hairball on a carpet...
http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/76/90032.htm?printing=true
...New
In a message dated 11/5/2003 1:07:52 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course
Spike Milligan
still has the
best string
story.
He died last year, didn't he?
J
Yes, but you'd have hardly known it from the Amerkin press.
The Great String Robbery is
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/04/health/04CND-CHOL.html?ex=1068613200e
n=5509e0dc62883210ei=5062partner=GOOGLE
Study Finds New Drug Acts Quickly on Clogged
Arteries By GINA KOLATA
snip
Heart disease researchers have long wondered what
would happen
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Jon Gabriel wrote:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Scouted: String Theory Interview with Brian Green
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 14:15:29 EST
In a message dated 11/5/2003 11:23:18 AM US Mountain
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:57:09PM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Ass flash from Erik!
Butt in from Rob!
What, are we approaching a full moon?
Julia
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I thought awhile back that if I were ever attacked
and managed to knock my
attacker down and unconscious for a bit, I'd use
whatever I had at hand to
carve an asterisk in the forehead of the person,
then run and call the
police. The marring of the forehead
Everyone,
I will be gone for some time, returning to the list after Thanksgiving. I
wish you well in the interim.
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--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://www.csi.edu/ip/ce/yesology/
The power of devotion.G
more weird List synchronicity
Just yesterday I dragged out my Yessongs anthology
(well, I think that's the title - 3 albums containing
live cuts from ~ 1972), which I hadn't listed to in
--- Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No mention in the article of the fact that exercise
raises HDL. Or that avoiding a sedentary lifestyle
and a diet high in saturated fats would *prevent*
much
of the plaque build-up in the first place. While
there are inherited forms of
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Continuing Education
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:19:14 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original
Michael Harney wrote:
As for christian reconstructionists being evil, I disagree.
Evil implies malicious intent. I don't believe that their intents
are malicious. I just think they are misguided.
No, evil implies [Heinlein's definition, or some paraphrase] causing
unecessary pain to
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat
is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or
7 PM Greenwich time, so it started about three-and-a-half hours
ago. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at
least eight hours after the start time. See my
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All Monopolies are evil, and artificial monopolies are the most evil of
all (right up there with Country music on the scale of evil).
Now see, you go and say something like this which raises my opinion of you
to a high level. Anyone who is an enemy of country
--- Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An interview on current string theory in the latest
Scientific American with
Brian Green (G.D. had mentioned him a couple of days
ago), author of The Elegant Universe.
Now see, you go and say something like this which raises my opinion of
you
to a high level. Anyone who is an enemy of country music is a friend of
mine.
I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country music or just
the nonsense that is played on most country music stations. For
Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] remarked
If they can't make money on it, then they won't be arround to MAKE
the next generation of treatments, ANY treatments.
Drug development is an example of a process with a high initial cost
and a low incremental cost.
Law enforcement and war have
I found this at:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/987101.asp?0dm=C21CL
Agent Smith, My One and Only
Why Hugo Weaving is the real star of the 'Matrix' franchise
Commentary, by Tara Ariano
Excerpt:
An enemy both to the machines and to the humans, Agent Smith is
pursued by other agents, but as of
On 5 Nov 2003, at 6:59 pm, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lilly lost most of its Prozac market share in
_weeks_
Most likely because of price. You can't tell me
that a company given a
17 year monopoly can't make a drug just as cheaply
as a newcomer.
It can. But it
- Original Message -
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Continuing Education
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
http://www.csi.edu/ip/ce/yesology/
The power of
Bluegrass
Love (used to play banjo - poorly)
Lyle Leavitt
Eh
the music featured in Oh Brother Where Art Thou?
Loved
the music of Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys?
Don't know
late 19th century country music which is tied to 16th and 17th century
English music?
Don't know
Tom
On 5 Nov 2003, at 11:18 pm, Robert Seeberger wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Continuing Education
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 05:19:14 -0600, Robert Seeberger
I thought awhile back that if I were ever attacked
and managed to knock my
attacker down and unconscious for a bit, I'd use
whatever I had at hand to
carve an asterisk in the forehead of the person,
then run and call the
police. The marring of the forehead would make
for
On Thu, Nov 06, 2003 at 12:31:47AM +, William T Goodall wrote:
I don't know much about economics so feel free to educate me, but
isn't a big chunk of the wealth of 'Western Industrialized' countries
(USA, Europe, Japan) actually IP ? Levis, Nike, Coke, Raybans is all
stuff that costs very
Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No mention in the article of the fact that
exercise
raises HDL. Or that avoiding a sedentary
lifestyle
and a diet high in saturated fats would *prevent*
much of the plaque build-up in the first place...
At 06:18 PM 11/5/2003 -0600, you wrote:
Now see, you go and say something like this which raises my opinion of
you
to a high level. Anyone who is an enemy of country music is a friend of
mine.
I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country music or just
the nonsense that is played
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote:
I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country music or
just the nonsense that is played on most country music stations. For
example do you hate all of the below?
Bluegrass
Fun.
Lyle Leavitt
Lovett, and some of his stuff is pretty
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
Just yesterday I dragged out my Yessongs anthology
(well, I think that's the title - 3 albums
containing
live cuts from ~ 1972), which I hadn't listed to
in at
least 5 years...ah, the White Queen,
Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
...
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sss092203.html
Hmm.. maybe I'll try to get a spot on the local draft board, just in case...
I was considering it too. But my guess is that American
politicians know that an actual wartime draft would be political
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snippage
I GUARANTEE you, the person would scream bloody
murder to the cops and insist
that you be arrested too. Then he'd hire a
lawyer
and sue you from here to Andromeda.
snip
[me]
trembling He grabbed me - I just struck out as
hard as I
- Original Message -
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Country music evil?
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote:
I've got a question for you, are you opposed to all country
If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot
Billy Ray Cyrus.
Now Julia is endorsing violence! Good heavens!
Damon :P
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Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 2 Nov 2003 at 22:45, David Hobby wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
...
My reaction to such behavior was to inform the offender sweetly
that if he uses that bullhorn one more time while people (like me)
are trying to sleep,
...
My reaction to s
I don't particularly like country music as such. I do like certain artists
who tend to be considered country performers. My favorite singer period is
Mary-Chapin Carpenter, but I don't know that I'd call her a country singer, even
though she has often been listed as one. I also like Kathy
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael Harney wrote:
As for christian reconstructionists being evil, I disagree.
Evil implies malicious intent. I don't believe that their intents
are malicious. I just think they are misguided.
No, evil implies [Heinlein's definition, or
But a lot of the stuff I was hearing, I didn't care for,
but at least it didn't put me on edge like the rock that someone *else*
insisted on when the first person was out sick. I hadn't found the
classical station at the time, and someone might have complained if I'd
set the radio to *that* for
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Damon Agretto wrote:
If I had a time machine, I might go back and shoot
Billy Ray Cyrus.
Now Julia is endorsing violence! Good heavens!
Could just be with a trank gun every so often :)
Or once with some sort of drug that would side-track him from writing
- Original Message -
From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: feel a draft coming on?
Miller, Jeffrey wrote:
...
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/sss092203.html
Hmm.. maybe
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003, Kevin Tarr wrote:
But a lot of the stuff I was hearing, I didn't care for,
but at least it didn't put me on edge like the rock that someone *else*
insisted on when the first person was out sick. I hadn't found the
classical station at the time, and someone might
On 5 Nov 2003 at 21:24, David Hobby wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
On 2 Nov 2003 at 22:45, David Hobby wrote:
Andrew Crystall wrote:
...
My reaction to such behavior was to inform the offender
sweetly that if he uses that bullhorn one more time while
people (like
Saw this tonight and I have to say that I am disappointed. It was just
ok. It didn't have the punch and impact of the first Matrix and some
of the scenes were waayy too long. At the end of the movie,
I was asking the question is this all? You have got to be kidding. As
Keanu said in
Julia Thompson wrote:
Jon Gabriel wrote:
It is, but you left out the brooding violins and skimpy leather
lingerie.
I'd *like* to resemble that remark
Yeah, good luck with that one. Between a toddler and twins, I can only assume
foreplay now consists of You know, the kids are asleep...
Dan Minette wrote:
Lyle Leavitt
Lovett
Right, I can't spell. :-)
Could be worse. You could have gotten Slim Whitman and Waat Whitman confused. :-D
Jim
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Could be worse. You could have gotten Slim Whitman and Waat
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*ahem* WALT Whitman. That's what I get for trying to bust chops when it's way past
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Today's front page article in the NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/06/politics/06INTE.html?hp
DIPLOMACY Iraq Said to Have Tried to Reach Last-Minute Deal to Avert War
By JAMES RISEN
Excerpt:
Published: November 6, 2003
WASHINGTON, Nov. 5 As American soldiers massed on the Iraqi border
At 04:55 AM 11/5/03 -0600, The Fool wrote:
What with a republican senator threatening to revoke CBS's broadcast
licence over a miniseries that CBS was going to show, and the RNC
demanding editorial power over what CBS shows, when in fact CBS had
documentation for every single scene and line in the
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