Re: Life Eaters unavailable?
At 11:40 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: You guys *ought* to have ordered it through your FLCS anyway, instead of through some nice shiny store where you can get coffee and danishes. :) Is it OK to get coffee and danishes at the coffee shop next to the comic shop after you've bought it? :) Yes indeed! Mmmm, dani... Jim You can never have too many pastries Maru But you can have too many pasties. Kevin T. - VRWC Dreaming of a naughty christmas ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: an irksome Amazon comment
In a message dated 12/16/2003 9:02:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kiki's is an awesome, awesome movie. :-) Jon I'm still VCR and that's what I picked up at Walmart right after seeing ROTK. Got three shopping carts full of bubble bags and white sheet foam as well. The spirit of Disney has indeed been spirited away. William Taylor -- Now go find Alegro non Tropo for Italian animation. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Michael Crichton is Evil and Must be Destroyed (was: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed)
At 09:54 PM 12/16/03, Michael Harney wrote: P.P.S. Never insult me or what I believe unless you are ready to face a challenge. It was not meant as an insult to you or what you believe. I feel rather strongly about this subject, too, but I don't want to unnecessarily upset anyone or risk disrupting the list. P.P.P.S. I've been in a particularly strange mood for a long while now (a few weeks), perhaps stress induced, and encourage others to keep a safe distance from topics I feel strongly about. I'm sorry you have not been feeling well. I hope you get better soon. As a few here know, I have chronic health issues of my own, and sometimes when I am not feeling well I too get stressed out, and far too frequently I let myself become impatient and short-tempered. If I have offended anyone while in one of those moods, I apologize. And if I do so in the future, please forgive me and realize that I am likely to be in a better mood after I have gotten some rest and get to feeling better. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Silliness
At 08:39 PM 12/16/03, Julia Thompson wrote: Knock, knock. Come on, Julia. Did you honestly expect anyone here to simply answer Who's there?? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SCOUTED: Israel planned to kill Saddam in 1992
Israel planned to kill Saddam in 1992 Operation called off after deadly training accident JERUSALEM (CNN) --Israel planned to assassinate Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in 1992 but called off the operation when five soldiers were killed during training, Israeli officials said Tuesday. Commandos were to have fired missiles at Saddam during a funeral, the officials said. Israel's motivation for planning to kill Saddam was similar to why the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, said Ephraim Sneh, a Labor politician who was on the Knesset's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in 1992. Israel's Knesset is akin to the U.S. House of Representatives. Had we succeeded there, you could have spared 11 years' suffering to the Iraqi people and danger to the entire region, Sneh said. The Israel Defense Forces censor did not let Israeli media report the plan until Monday, shortly after Saddam's arrest. The operation was formulated when Yitzhak Shamir was prime minister of Israel, Israeli sources close to the planning said. The training accident took place under Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who replaced Shamir in 1992. The soldiers who took part in the operation were volunteers, an Israeli newspaper reported. They were told to kill themselves rather than be captured. The attack was to occur when Saddam attended the funeral of a relative in his hometown of Tikrit, Israeli officials said. The commandos were to fire two Obelisk missiles at Saddam from a spot near the cemetery. The plan called for an Israeli plane to fly the commandos out of Iraq from a temporary airfield. The five soldiers were killed when a live missile mistakenly was substituted for a dud training missile. The soldiers who died were playing the part of Saddam and his entourage. Six other commandos were wounded. Senior Israeli officials close to the planning say it was not in retaliation for the 39 Scud missiles that Iraq launched on Israel in 1991 during the Persian Gulf War. Most of them struck Tel Aviv and surrounding neighborhoods. At the time of the training accident, two newspapers reported that the target of the assassination plot was Lebanese Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah. That story was a government ruse to distract reporters from the real target. As part of the ruse, the government said, it suspended the press credentials of the journalists who reported the story. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz said Moshe Ya'alon, chief of the IDF, criticized the release of details of the plan. There are things that should remain internal for security reasons, and shouldn't be revealed to the whole world in an irresponsible manner, Ya'alon told the newspaper. The mission wouldn't have been Israel's first military strike against Iraq. Israeli warplanes destroyed a reactor being built near Baghdad in 1981 because the Israelis suspected Iraq was attempting to build nuclear weapons. Find this article at: http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/16/sprj.nirq.israel/index.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
SCOUTED/Fwd: Seasonal Puzzle
The letters form an acronym of a Christmas song. Name the song, win my gratitude grin. Some are easy, others aren't. 1. TCS (CROAOF) 2. HYMLC 3. IBHFC 4. FFAJP 5. AIWFCIMTFT 6. ISMKSC 7. SN 8. OHN 9. FTS 10. AF (OCAYF) 11. IDOWC 12. TTDOC 13. HCSC 14. WW 15. SB 16. JB 17. OLTOB 18. WTK 19. TLDB 20. LHAREB 21. ATTN 22. BHC 23. GB 24. GKW 25. CC 26. HWCAW 27. JJOMD 28. MHAB 29. JOSN 30. COCE -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
At 09:40 AM 12/14/03, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:34:58 -0600 I (and others) would argue that, depending on the circumstances, most powerful does not necessarily mean able to exert the greatest number of newtons of force of raw strength. (Although apparently that seems to be an interpretation of the question which started this thread.) And though holding up a mountain range (in one of the issues of _Secret Wars_) does indeed require a lot of raw strength, on at least one occasion (Superboy Vol. 1 #58 (July 1957): The 100 New Feats of Superboy ¹) the Silver Age Superboy moved the entire Earth a small distance (then moved it back) and the pre-reboot Mon-El has moved a (smaller?) body a greater distance in order to hide it from space pirates of some sort inside a dark nebula (an issue of LSH sometime in the mid-80s, IIRC). Ah! That's not the basis of the Hulks seemingly infinite capacity to grow ever more powerful. Though a big part of his power is in fact based on strength, there is more to it than that. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and assume that you are aware of the Hulk shifting or as many like to call it, changing colors. Each shift represents new levels of possible power; similar to Super Saiyans in the DBZ Universe. The Hulk has a healing factor, plus a certain level of invulnerability which increases with his anger level (which is the main component in his Dr. Jeckyl/Mr. Hyde transformation), as well as with whatever color he is at the time. That being said, lets take a look at Superman. He is one of the toughest sob's in the comic world. Certainly one of the most powerful. However he has limits. Yes, he is extremely strong/intelligent/fast/invulnerable (and lets not forget those wonderful lasers of his) but the Hulk at his primary level is more than a match for Mr. Kent. Not saying that Superman couldn't defeat the Hulk, but he'd have his hands full with the big green goon. Besides. the Hulk can just keep on shifting, theoretically...to infinity and beyond. As for Superboy and his accomplishments, I shall disregard them due to the time during which they were released. It's very similar to Star Trek TOS compared to Next Gen. Nearly every alien species encountered were these mysterious, uber-advanced, malevolent beings. It's quite simply shows us the mentality of that time, which was more in tune with the imagination of people who were subsequently thinking a certain way due to the society of the time. STTNG however, was based more on hard science, and is/was a reflection of the world view of today. Of course, since I grew up during the Sixties, the Silver Age comics and TOS were the first versions I was introduced to, so I naturally consider those versions canonical and later versions which conflict with them revisionist. ;-) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: an irksome Amazon comment
Horror of horrors, I'm thinking first about getting a second Studio Ghibli tape. Which one? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Silliness
Jim Sharkey wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Knock, knock. *sigh* Who's there? Kosh. Kosh who? Sneezing is a three-edged sword. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:28:42 -0600 At 10:40 AM 12/16/03, Travis Edmunds wrote: Also, the planet killer seems to be somewhat of a last ditch effort, to create something so powerful as to be impervious to the Borg and just about anything else (it had a neutronium hull). Forget the neutronium hull. What I want is some of the stuff they used to brace the interior so the neutronium hull wouldn't collapse into a solid sphere under its own weight and self-gravity. Now _that_ has to be strong stuff . . . -- Ronn! :) I'm pretty sure that's a highly improbable scenario. Isn't gravity based on size and not weight? If so, then I should also point out that the planet killer isn't THAT big. So the neutronium may be dense enough to create a few engineering problems, but the gravitational pull would technically be too weak to cause problems, right? -Travis just a thought Edmunds... _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Silliness
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 08:39 PM 12/16/03, Julia Thompson wrote: Knock, knock. Come on, Julia. Did you honestly expect anyone here to simply answer Who's there?? Eventually. :) And Jim did not disappoint. Julia p.s. thanks for the compliments, guys... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Life Eaters unavailable?
Kevin Tarr wrote: At 11:40 PM 12/16/2003, you wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: You guys *ought* to have ordered it through your FLCS anyway, instead of through some nice shiny store where you can get coffee and danishes. :) Is it OK to get coffee and danishes at the coffee shop next to the comic shop after you've bought it? :) Yes indeed! Mmmm, dani... Jim You can never have too many pastries Maru But you can have too many pasties. Kevin T. - VRWC Dreaming of a naughty christmas No, you can't. You just share them if you think you have too many. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Michael Crichton is Evil and Must be Destroyed (was: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed)
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:54 PM 12/16/03, Michael Harney wrote: P.P.S. Never insult me or what I believe unless you are ready to face a challenge. It was not meant as an insult to you or what you believe. I feel rather strongly about this subject, too, but I don't want to unnecessarily upset anyone or risk disrupting the list. No worries, you didn't write it, you just posted it. Nor did you say where you stand on the topic. It was the people on-list agreeing with it that irked me more than the post itself. P.P.P.S. I've been in a particularly strange mood for a long while now (a few weeks), perhaps stress induced, and encourage others to keep a safe distance from topics I feel strongly about. I'm sorry you have not been feeling well. I hope you get better soon. As a few here know, I have chronic health issues of my own, and sometimes when I am not feeling well I too get stressed out, and far too frequently I let myself become impatient and short-tempered. If I have offended anyone while in one of those moods, I apologize. And if I do so in the future, please forgive me and realize that I am likely to be in a better mood after I have gotten some rest and get to feeling better. Well, for me, it's not so much an issue of physical health. I'm in the better physical health now than I have ever been in my life. It's more about mental health. I've just had a lot of concerns on my mind recently, concerns that I have little/no control over, and it becomes very easy to rub me the wrong way when I get in that frame of mind, especially on topics I feel strongly about. Regretably, I haven't been getting a full night's sleep for most of the last two weeks. Each day there was a different reason why my sleep was disrupted before I got a full night's rest, but it doesn't change the fact that I haven't slept enough. I just wish I had my own place rather than living in a house with my mother, brother, and all my brother's children. 80% of the time, that is the reason my sleep is disturbed. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:01:44 -0700 I still think Scarans are superior. They may be a bit slow, but they are stronger and practically bullet-proof. Well I can create Jem' Hadar extremely quickly. Besides they're my favorite color blue... Assuming that the G'ould mothership had the latest (in the SG-1 series) in shield and weapon technology, I would say it would win the battle against the Borg Cube unless the Borg Cube was actually piloted by Borg. Star Trek: TNG early Borg episodes demonstrated that the power of the Borg ship in regeneration and defenses/adaptability relies on the actions of the Borg crew working as a coordinated unit. If the Borg are piloting the Borg Cube, the G'ould Mothership wouldn't stand a chance IMO. Interesting. However lets look at weapons and shielding. How well would the Gouald shielding hold up against a barrage of fire from the Borg? Reciprocate that and think on Borg shielding holding up against the Gouald weapons which are essentially just really big particle weapons. Personally though, I would choose a Leviathan gunship equiped with a peacekeeper defence field. High weapon power, self-repairing (as long as damage isn't too extensive), and can escape quickly if the situation calls for it. How about a Berserker? (Mr. Blankenship should know what that is) If you think Tinman and a Leviathan gunship are too outlandish, how about the Scimitar from Star Trek: Nemesis? It took two Romulan Warbirds and the Enterprise E just to cripple the ship (and the battle resulted in the Romulan Warbirds and the Enterprise E being even more crippled than the Scimitar, only an internal attack on the Scimitar resulted in its destruction). Nothing is too outlandish, as long as it adheres to some unwritten, unofficial rules. As long as we're talking about starships, it makes no sense to say something like Q could take em all.lol But even sentient creatures like the Crystaline Entity are valid. Let me pose a scenario. Lets say you colonize a system (this is a conglomeration of any and all fictional Universes that you can dream up). You have ten million drones working for you, just to begin some rudimentary industry, whatever. Anyway you have the Edo Guardian orbiting your planet (looks like a phased cloke, could possibly be inter-dimensional). Suddenly you detect a Borg tactical cube on an intercept course with your planet. You have the Edo Guardian protecting you, but are you afraid? Do you have faith in the ability of the Edo Guardian to protect you and your planet. If not then what other singular craft or in some cases entity would you want for defensive purposes? _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:59:28 -0600 Of course, since I grew up during the Sixties, the Silver Age comics and TOS were the first versions I was introduced to, so I naturally consider those versions canonical and later versions which conflict with them revisionist. ;-) -- Ronn! :) Interesting insight; quite understandable. -Travis _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Forget the neutronium hull. What I want is some of the stuff they used to brace the interior so the neutronium hull wouldn't collapse into a solid sphere under its own weight and self-gravity. Now _that_ has to be strong stuff . . . -- Ronn! :) I'm pretty sure that's a highly improbable scenario. Isn't gravity based on size and not weight? If so, then I should also point out that the planet killer isn't THAT big. So the neutronium may be dense enough to create a few engineering problems, but the gravitational pull would technically be too weak to cause problems, right? Nope, mass causes gravity, size doesn't. Admitted, most very large objects also have lots of mass, but a volume of highly dense matter would produce more gravity than an equal volume of low density matter. Technically, though, since it was almost cylindrical (which would act like an arch) and mostly hollow, I imagine that, if the neutronium is strong enough to be impervious to most weapons, it would probably be able to support it's own inward gravity as that gravity shouldn't be that massive. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Michael Crichton is Evil and Must be Destroyed (was: Scouted:Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed)
Michael Harney wrote: Well, for me, it's not so much an issue of physical health. I'm in the better physical health now than I have ever been in my life. It's more about mental health. I've just had a lot of concerns on my mind recently, concerns that I have little/no control over, and it becomes very easy to rub me the wrong way when I get in that frame of mind, especially on topics I feel strongly about. Regretably, I haven't been getting a full night's sleep for most of the last two weeks. Each day there was a different reason why my sleep was disrupted before I got a full night's rest, but it doesn't change the fact that I haven't slept enough. I just wish I had my own place rather than living in a house with my mother, brother, and all my brother's children. 80% of the time, that is the reason my sleep is disturbed. Sleep interruption caused by children can really get to be a drag. Can you nap at all during the day? If so, does that help? Julia who's actually allowed 5 hours' sleep at once at night now -- daytime schedules are not really synchronized right now, but the nighttime ones are ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: an irksome Silliness Amazon comment
In a message dated 12/17/2003 8:37:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a second Studio Ghibli tape. Which one? Damon. Kiki, he says bleary eyed, after only having slept from 7 to 10 AM. Sneezing is a three-edged sword. Sneezing while holding a three-edged sword should be banned from all nudist colonies. William Taylor - An Outlandish answer if written by Michael Criichton ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED/Fwd: Seasonal Puzzle
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: The letters form an acronym of a Christmas song. Name the song, win my gratitude grin. Some are easy, others aren't. I've gotten 11 of them so far and am trying to resist the temptation to go over to the CD cases for the Christmas CDs I have loaded into the CD changer. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Michael Crichton is Evil and Must be Destroyed (was: Scouted:Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed)
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Harney wrote: Well, for me, it's not so much an issue of physical health. I'm in the better physical health now than I have ever been in my life. It's more about mental health. I've just had a lot of concerns on my mind recently, concerns that I have little/no control over, and it becomes very easy to rub me the wrong way when I get in that frame of mind, especially on topics I feel strongly about. Regretably, I haven't been getting a full night's sleep for most of the last two weeks. Each day there was a different reason why my sleep was disrupted before I got a full night's rest, but it doesn't change the fact that I haven't slept enough. I just wish I had my own place rather than living in a house with my mother, brother, and all my brother's children. 80% of the time, that is the reason my sleep is disturbed. Sleep interruption caused by children can really get to be a drag. Yep. Sleep interuptions caused by grown-ups aren't much better either. Can you nap at all during the day? Yes. If so, does that help? No, if anything, a nap in the middle of the day makes me feel worse. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
I'm pretty sure that's a highly improbable scenario. Isn't gravity based on size and not weight? If so, then I should also point out that the planet killer isn't THAT big. So the neutronium may be dense enough to create a few engineering problems, but the gravitational pull would technically be too weak to cause problems, right? I retract my gravity statement.lol. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
Travis Edmunds wrote: Lets take a look at starships. I'll just throw a couple into the mix to start things off. -A Borg cube (standard) vs -A Goauld mothership (Stargate) - The enhanced Streaker at the end of Heaven's Reach!!! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:28:42 -0600 At 10:40 AM 12/16/03, Travis Edmunds wrote: Also, the planet killer seems to be somewhat of a last ditch effort, to create something so powerful as to be impervious to the Borg and just about anything else (it had a neutronium hull). Forget the neutronium hull. What I want is some of the stuff they used to brace the interior so the neutronium hull wouldn't collapse into a solid sphere under its own weight and self-gravity. Now _that_ has to be strong stuff . . . -- Ronn! :) I'm pretty sure that's a highly improbable scenario. Isn't gravity based on size and not weight? Gravity is based on mass. F=gm1m2/r^2 Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
- Original Message - From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Forget the neutronium hull. What I want is some of the stuff they used to brace the interior so the neutronium hull wouldn't collapse into a solid sphere under its own weight and self-gravity. Now _that_ has to be strong stuff . . . -- Ronn! :) I'm pretty sure that's a highly improbable scenario. Isn't gravity based on size and not weight? If so, then I should also point out that the planet killer isn't THAT big. So the neutronium may be dense enough to create a few engineering problems, but the gravitational pull would technically be too weak to cause problems, right? Nope, mass causes gravity, size doesn't. Admitted, most very large objects also have lots of mass, but a volume of highly dense matter would produce more gravity than an equal volume of low density matter. Technically, though, since it was almost cylindrical (which would act like an arch) and mostly hollow, I imagine that, if the neutronium is strong enough to be impervious to most weapons, it would probably be able to support it's own inward gravity as that gravity shouldn't be that massive. Lets see, the densities we would be talking about are around 3*10^14 g/cc. The mass of the sun is 2 x 10^33 g. So, the mass of the sun would be packed into a sphere of about 6*10^18 cc. or 6*10^12 m or 6*10^3 km. This would require a sphere roughly 10 km in radius. But, the radius is, roughly 7* smaller than the sun's, so the force of gravity would be close to 5 billion times as strong as that found on the surface of the sun. The weapon is a cone, not a sphere, but the force of gravity would be huge. If desired, I could probably calculate the maximum force, given the dimensions...and the free time to write the program. :-) Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Seasonal Puzzle
1. TCS (CROAOF) - Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire 2. HYMLC - Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas 3. IBHFC - I'll Be Home For Christmas 4. FFAJP - Far Far Away on Judea's Plains 5. AIWFCIMTFT - All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth 6. ISMKSC - I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus 7. SN - Silent Night 8. OHN - Oh Holy Night 9. FTS - Frosty The Snowman 10. AF (OCAYF) - Oh Come All Ye Faithful 11. IDOWC 12. TTDOC - The Twelve Days Of Christmas 13. HCSC - Here Comes Santa Claus 14. WW - Winter Wonderland 15. SB - Silver Bells 16. JB - Jingle Bells 17. OLTOB - Oh Little Town Of Bethlehem 18. WTK - We Three Kings 19. TLDB 20. LHAREB - Lo How A Rose Eer Blooming 21. ATTN - All Through The Night 22. BHC - Boars Head Carol 23. GB - Gesu Bambino 24. GKW - Good King Wenceslas 25. CC - Caroling, Caroling 26. HWCAW - Here We Come A-Wassailing 27. JJOMD - Jesu Joy Of Mans Desire 28. MHAB - Mary Had A Baby 29. JOSN - Jolly Old Saint Nick 30. COCE Three left out. Must be very obscure. -Travis too much time on my hands Edmunds _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
11. IDOWC - I'm dreaming of a White CHristmas Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. snip Nope, mass causes gravity, size doesn't. Admitted, most very large objects also have lots of mass, but a volume of highly dense matter would produce more gravity than an equal volume of low density matter. Technically, though, since it was almost cylindrical (which would act like an arch) and mostly hollow, I imagine that, if the neutronium is strong enough to be impervious to most weapons, it would probably be able to support it's own inward gravity as that gravity shouldn't be that massive. Lets see, the densities we would be talking about are around 3*10^14 g/cc. 300 Billion Kilograms per cubic centimeter? We aren't talking about a black hole are we? Is density that high even possible? I mean, there has to be a finite limit of how many protons and neutrons that you can pack into such a small space. If 6.02*10^23 protons only wieghs1 kilogram (IIRC), and neutrons weigh roughly the same as protons, that would require about 1.8*10^38 protons or nuetrons packed into a single cubic centimeter. Assuming a spherical model for protons and neutrons and perfect packing of protons and nuetrons (assuming no empty space at all, which would be impossible with a spherical model): 1.8*10^38*(3/4)*pi*r^3=1cm^3 4.24*10^38*r^3=cm^3 r^3=2.36*10^-39cm^3 r=1.33*10-13 cm That would mean the radius of a proton/neutron would have to be less than 1.33*10^-13 cm. Is that right? Michael Harney - No Room For Electrons Maru [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
19. TLDB - The Little Drummer Boy Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
- Original Message - From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. 300 Billion Kilograms per cubic centimeter? We aren't talking about a black hole are we? Is density that high even possible? I mean, there has to be a finite limit of how many protons and neutrons that you can pack into such a small space. Right, but there are no protons. To quote the website I obtained the density from http://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/nstar.html its energetically favored to have protons and electrons combine and form neutrons and neutrinos. If 6.02*10^23 protons only wieghs1 kilogram (IIRC), and neutrons weigh roughly the same as protons, that would require about 1.8*10^38 protons or nuetrons packed into a single cubic centimeter. Assuming a spherical model for protons and neutrons and perfect packing of protons and nuetrons (assuming no empty space at all, which would be impossible with a spherical model): 1.8*10^38*(3/4)*pi*r^3=1cm^3 4.24*10^38*r^3=cm^3 r^3=2.36*10^-39cm^3 r=1.33*10-13 cm That would mean the radius of a proton/neutron would have to be less than 1.33*10^-13 cm. Is that right? Its actually the neutron degeneracy that keeps things from getting denser. Higher densities are thought possible in a quark/gluon soup. Remember, neutrons are really not solid spheres. Quarks, electrons, and gluons are point like (as far as we can tell now). Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. TCS (CROAOF) - Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire TCS stands for The Christmas Song. Generic, huh? 10. AF (OCAYF) - Oh Come All Ye Faithful In case anyone was wondering AF is Adeste Fideles. I knew what the AF stood for, but couldn't think of Oh Come all ye Faithful. 30. COCE I still can't figure out COCE. If it were OCOCE, I would say O Come, O Come, Emmanuel. Should we keep looking? Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
At 05:11 PM 12/17/2003, you wrote: From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. TCS (CROAOF) - Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire TCS stands for The Christmas Song. Generic, huh? 10. AF (OCAYF) - Oh Come All Ye Faithful In case anyone was wondering AF is Adeste Fideles. I knew what the AF stood for, but couldn't think of Oh Come all ye Faithful. 30. COCE I still can't figure out COCE. If it were OCOCE, I would say O Come, O Come, Emmanuel. Should we keep looking? Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about 31. GGROBAR ? A page I found that lists 100 songs does not have a COCE. Could it be Carol O Come Emmanuel? Kevin T. - VRWC RotK in two hours ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
From: Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Seasonal Puzzle Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:11:05 -0700 From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. TCS (CROAOF) - Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire TCS stands for The Christmas Song. Generic, huh? 10. AF (OCAYF) - Oh Come All Ye Faithful In case anyone was wondering AF is Adeste Fideles. I knew what the AF stood for, but couldn't think of Oh Come all ye Faithful. 30. COCE I still can't figure out COCE. If it were OCOCE, I would say O Come, O Come, Emmanuel. Should we keep looking? Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Excellent That's it. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcommpgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Seasonal Puzzle
From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 05:11 PM 12/17/2003, you wrote: From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1. TCS (CROAOF) - Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire TCS stands for The Christmas Song. Generic, huh? 10. AF (OCAYF) - Oh Come All Ye Faithful In case anyone was wondering AF is Adeste Fideles. I knew what the AF stood for, but couldn't think of Oh Come all ye Faithful. 30. COCE I still can't figure out COCE. If it were OCOCE, I would say O Come, O Come, Emmanuel. Should we keep looking? Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] What about 31. GGROBAR ? Too easy, in fact I thought of suggesting it myself. Grandma got run over by a reindeer. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Its actually the neutron degeneracy that keeps things from getting denser. Higher densities are thought possible in a quark/gluon soup. Remember, neutrons are really not solid spheres. Quarks, electrons, and gluons are point like (as far as we can tell now). Say..wouldn't a neutron star pretty much be like a gigantic atom? (Minus protons of course) With an electron shell? I think that last year I posted an article about the discovery of a Quark Star. IIRC, it was more or less a neutron star that had collapsed into a sphere of mostly strange quarks. xponent Weird Questions Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
ROTK: my mini review
I just got back from seeing Return of the King (played hookey from work!), and seeing no one's commented on it yet, I thought I'd post some of my thoughts. I'll try to keep spoilers segregated to a separate section at the bottom for those who are concerned about that. Capsule summary: Awesome. I'm still digesting it, but I'm thinking this was the best of the three. The three LOTR-heads I saw it with felt that even more strongly than I did. There were again some deviations from the book, but they weren't as jarring as those in TTT, and for sure two of the biggest missing pieces were filmed and are certain to be included on the extended edition. Random thoughts: -While the beginning of the movie has a slower pace, once it gets going, it just rips along. It didn't feel like a 3 hour and 20 minute movie at all. - I heard a rumor that the version of ROTK originally submitted to the MPAA was 4:40 long. That suggests a *lot* of stuff was filmed, but cut for time. Hopefully it will all show up in the extended edition. - The special effects were extremely impressive, and better-looking that FOTR and TTT. Some of the Minas Tirith shots that *had* to be models or matte shots looked totally real. The Battle of the Pelennor was very impressive. - If you enjoyed Legolas' acrobatics in the last two films, he has a very cool scene in this one, less silly than the sliding-down-the-stairs-on-a-shield one at Helm's Deep. Overall, though, there seems to be less screen time for Legolas, and for Gimli as well. - Fortunately, while Gimli has some funny lines, he doesn't come across as slapstick as he did in TTT. And, blessedly, no dwarf-tossing references this time. - Bring a hanky with you. There are some very emotional scenes. - I just got a chill recalling the beacon-lighting scene. The cinematography is simply amazing. --- Possible spoliers below: - The Saruman scene was cut, but was filmed and PJ has stated it woul be on the EE. In the movie, Pippin still does find the palantir, gets into trouble with it, and has to leave with Gandalf, so the major course of events remains the same. - The House of Healing scene(s) was cut, but was filmed and PJ has stated it also would be on the EE. - The Scouring of the Shire was cut, and was not filmed. The Shire is in fine shape when they arrive. Despite that, the ending does not feel truncated. The movie continues for about 20 minutes past the destruction of the ring, with Aragorn's coronation, and the some Shire scenes, including Frodo and Gandalf's departure at the Grey Havens 4 years later. Even though I miss the scouring, it's a satisfying ending. - The Paths of the Dead are still in it, but changed a fair bit. The changes are somewhat for the worse, but not in a way that significantly changes the eventual outcome. - Some of Sam's adventure rescuing Frodo is cut out. From the way it is edited, I'm guessing a lot of it was filmed but cut for time. Sam's role as Frodo's protector is highlighted, and very touching at times. I was very gratified to see it wasn't minimized at all. - Gandalf's stand-off with the Witch-King at the gate of Minas Tirith is (inexplicably) cut out. My friend says he actually saw the scene in one of the previews, so it was filmed and will most likely show up in the EE. - The pukel-men are cut out. I have no idea if any of that was filmed. - If you are worried (as I was, as it's a favorite scene of mine) about Eowyn and Merry's confrontation with the Witch-King, don't be. It follows the book closely. - We get to see the whole Smeagol/Deagol ring-finding scene, with Andy Serkis (who does Gollum's voice) playing the pre-gollum Smeagol. Very cool. - The oliphants look awesome - The terrorizing effect of the Nazgul's cries is finally shown in ROTK. One gripe I had about FOTR and TTT was that in those films, it was creepy, but people more or less shrugged it off, whereas here it has a profound effect. - Possibly my biggest gripe is that in the Battle at the Black Gate, the forces Aragorn brings are rather skimpy, to say the least. In the book, it was a much larger, more credible, army. - Another nagging gripe is that while characters discuss the growing darkness, it never really gets that dark, and the darkness (or lack thereof) doesn't really have much effect upon the orcs. _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
LOL Never mind..I'm brain dead tonight. G Without protonsthere is nothing to attract electrons. xponent Proton Bait Maru rob - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. - Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun. Its actually the neutron degeneracy that keeps things from getting denser. Higher densities are thought possible in a quark/gluon soup. Remember, neutrons are really not solid spheres. Quarks, electrons, and gluons are point like (as far as we can tell now). Say..wouldn't a neutron star pretty much be like a gigantic atom? (Minus protons of course) With an electron shell? I think that last year I posted an article about the discovery of a Quark Star. IIRC, it was more or less a neutron star that had collapsed into a sphere of mostly strange quarks. xponent Weird Questions Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it started about five-and-a-half hours ago. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help getting there: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: SCOUTED/Fwd: Seasonal Puzzle
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: The letters form an acronym of a Christmas song. Name the song, win my gratitude grin. Some are easy, others aren't. Here are the answers my sister and I were able to come up with this morning: 1. TCS (CROAOF) The Christmas Song (Chestnuts Roasting on an Open Fire) 2. HYMLC Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas 3. IBHFC I'll Be Home for Christmas 4. FFAJP 5. AIWFCIMTFT All I Want for Christmas is My Two Front Teeth 6. ISMKSC I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus 7. SN Silent Night 8. OHN Oh, Holy Night 9. FTS 10. AF (OCAYF) Adeste Fidelis (O Come, All Ye Faithful) 11. IDOWC I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas 12. TTDOC The Twelve Days of Christmas 13. HCSC Here Comes Santa Claus 14. WW Winter Wonderland 15. SB Silver Bells 16. JB Jingle Bells 17. OLTOB O, Little Town of Bethlehem 18. WTK We Three Kings 19. TLDB The Little Drummer Boy 20. LHAREB 21. ATTN 22. BHC 23. GB 24. GKW Good King Wenceslaus (sp?) 25. CC 26. HWCAW Here We Come A'Wassailing (sp?) 27. JJOMD 28. MHAB 29. JOSN Jolly Old Saint Nicholas 30. COCE __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Saddam not captured, but liberated?
From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryon Daly side note: $1 million was stolen from that area just a few weeks after I left the job! They never caught anyone for it, even though access to the area was restricted to at most about a dozen people, and the place was littered with cameras. I have my suspicions about who did it, though.) Wasn't that right before you bought that house and the Hummer? ;) Umm. That was money I saved from my, umm, paper route. Uh, yeah - that's the ticket! Big tippers on that paper route. Lovely. Did we do the work ourselves, or is this how some unspecified 3rd country is participating in the Coalition? You seem to be assuming that hard interrogation means torture. Do you think that there are no acceptable strong means of interrogation that don't involve torture? Don't be absurd. Of course I know that. Sorry, I wasn't trying to lecture you - it was a genuine question, though possibly poorly phrased. What I read to be distaste/sarcasm in your original remark made me wonder if you were implying the hard interrogation was torture, or if you felt that any/all means (or a least legal US means) of hard interrogation were unacceptable Sorry, I wasn't trying to lecture you - it was a genuine question, though possibly poorly phrased. What I read to be distaste/sarcasm in your original remark made me wonder if you were implying the hard interrogation was torture, or if you felt that any/all means (or a least legal US means) of hard interrogation were unacceptable. But nevermind. _ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ROTK: my mini review
Bryon Daly wrote: - Another nagging gripe is that while characters discuss the growing darkness, it never really gets that dark, and the darkness (or lack thereof) doesn't really have much effect upon the orcs. The purpose of the darkness was _preventing_ the orcs to fight under the Sun, that would seriously handicap them. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
Robert Seeberger wrote: Say..wouldn't a neutron star pretty much be like a gigantic atom? (Minus protons of course) With an electron shell? A neutron star _is_ a gigantic atom, with a core of neutrons that don't collapse more because they must obey the same exclusion principle that creates shells of barions in the nuclei of normal atoms with an external layer of protons and - maybe - electrons. Ok, maybe it's not a gigantic atom: it's a gigantic ion, surrounded by atoms and electrons. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Michael Crichton is Evil and Must be Destroyed (was: Scouted: Environmentalism is Evil and Must Be Destroyed)
Michael wrote: No worries, you didn't write it, you just posted it. Nor did you say where you stand on the topic. It was the people on-list agreeing with it that irked me more than the post itself. Since I'm the only one that said he agreed with anything Crichton wrote, let me modify my statement. I believe that his main point is correct; that we should approach environmentalism from a scientific rather than a religious direction. I don't know that much about DDT, I'm not at all convinced that second hand smoke is harmless and I think that global warming could very well be more disastrous than he does, but on the National Parks thing I think he may be referring to the fact that most of them have _not_ been subject to controlled burns and that is why fires like the one in Yellowstone a few years ago have occurred. In any case I consider my self an environmentalist, but I don't think we're going to get much accomplished if the fringe groups are able to make it look like the whole movement is driven by pseudo-science. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
Travis Edmunds wrote: How about a Berserker? (Mr. Blankenship should know what that is) If you think Tinman and a Leviathan gunship are too outlandish, how about the Scimitar from Star Trek: Nemesis? It took two Romulan Warbirds and the Enterprise E just to cripple the ship (and the battle resulted in the Romulan Warbirds and the Enterprise E being even more crippled than the Scimitar, only an internal attack on the Scimitar resulted in its destruction). Nothing is too outlandish, as long as it adheres to some unwritten, unofficial rules. As long as we're talking about starships, it makes no sense to say something like Q could take em all.lol But even sentient creatures like the Crystaline Entity are valid. Let me pose a scenario. Lets say you colonize a system (this is a conglomeration of any and all fictional Universes that you can dream up). You have ten million drones working for you, just to begin some rudimentary industry, whatever. Anyway you have the Edo Guardian orbiting your planet (looks like a phased cloke, could possibly be inter-dimensional). Suddenly you detect a Borg tactical cube on an intercept course with your planet. You have the Edo Guardian protecting you, but are you afraid? Do you have faith in the ability of the Edo Guardian to protect you and your planet. If not then what other singular craft or in some cases entity would you want for defensive purposes? This is interesting. The best starship for offense might well not be best for defending a planet. For offense, you might want to impose some size limitations. I can probably produce stories that have STARS being moved--a star would make a pretty good weapon. Certainly the _Cities in Flight_ series by James Blish has a planet, piloted as a starship and used as a weapon. Comparing starships from different universes is difficult, to say the least. I would probably go with Sleeper Service, featured in _Excession_ by Ian Banks. Dimensions in the tens of kilometers, with many thousands of full-sized starships in its bays. Crew optional, since it's run by a superhuman AI. I guess the ships have shields, since force fields are used a lot in the Culture. They also have matter transmission and antimatter, which already gives one pretty powerful weapons. These seem to be fairly standard, so I assume they are all admissible. The weapon that you might not allow is 'gridfire', which remotely induces the vacuum in a location to manifest large amounts of energy. ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: ROTK: my mini review
Bryon Daly wrote: - Some of Sam's adventure rescuing Frodo is cut out. From the way it is edited, I'm guessing a lot of it was filmed but cut for time. Sam's role as Frodo's protector is highlighted, and very touching at times. I was very gratified to see it wasn't minimized at all. Very glad to hear that. Thanks. :) Sam's mother ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
At 10:48 AM 12/17/03, Michael Harney wrote: From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Forget the neutronium hull. What I want is some of the stuff they used to brace the interior so the neutronium hull wouldn't collapse into a solid sphere under its own weight and self-gravity. Now _that_ has to be strong stuff . . . -- Ronn! :) I'm pretty sure that's a highly improbable scenario. Isn't gravity based on size and not weight? If so, then I should also point out that the planet killer isn't THAT big. So the neutronium may be dense enough to create a few engineering problems, but the gravitational pull would technically be too weak to cause problems, right? Nope, mass causes gravity, size doesn't. Admitted, most very large objects also have lots of mass, but a volume of highly dense matter would produce more gravity than an equal volume of low density matter. Technically, though, since it was almost cylindrical (which would act like an arch) and mostly hollow, I imagine that, if the neutronium is strong enough to be impervious to most weapons, it would probably be able to support it's own inward gravity as that gravity shouldn't be that massive. Neutron stars aren't hollow. And any deviation from a perfect spherical shape is likely to be measures in millimeters. IOW, neutronium is not strong enough to support itself against its own weight due to its self-gravity, so the existence of the planet-killer implies requires the existence of something stronger to support it. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Outlandish but exceedingly fun.
At 09:59 PM 12/17/03, David Hobby wrote: Travis Edmunds wrote: How about a Berserker? (Mr. Blankenship should know what that is) Are you saying that it takes one to know one? -- Ronn! :) who seldom hears Mr. Blankenship except from students or from people who are trying to sell him something . . . ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
