Combine words, was Re: Test

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:33:24PM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... I should have used a spell checker before I sent that one. Ouch...

Re: Test, was Re: Test

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Jon Gabriel wrote: The brin-l server will 'eat' posts made in html. You'll need to change your posts to plain text before sending. I had the same problem a few months ago, and this was the explanation Nick gave me. :) For me that cannot be the reason then. I only write and send in

Re: Colin Powell

2003-02-05 Thread G. D. Akin
Julia, Sorry, NEO is so much a part of the vocabulary here I just used it. I beg your forgiveness. We go through a Noncombatant Evacuation Operation Exercise every 6 months to ensure everyone knows where to go. A NEO is not only for war but for other civil unrest and natural disasters. George

Re: Colin Powell

2003-02-05 Thread G. D. Akin
UHT = Ultra High Temperature (I think). George A - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:30 AM Subject: Re: Colin Powell From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Colin Powell Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003

Re: B5 dvd

2003-02-05 Thread G. D. Akin
I don't know, but do you know when Season 3 of Stargate SG-1 will be out? George A - Original Message - From: Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: B5 dvd On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Julia Thompson wrote: You can get

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
This was neither necessary, nor called for. In my opinion JDG didn't add any content to the discussion, there were no new facts, no new viewpoints. In fact I'd say this is flame bait of the worst sort. JDG should know that this kind of phrasing will be viewed by the opponent as an attempt to get

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 10:30, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: This was neither necessary, nor called for. In my opinion JDG didn't It was humour. Something this list has been badly lacking add any content to the discussion, there were no new facts, no new viewpoints. In fact I'd say this is

Re: Cold weather and Poor fireplaces

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Baker
Debbi said: Two weeks or so ago (it was cold but not snowy), I heard a loud thu-du-du-thoomp! in my fireplace; I went over to look, and a little whiskered face peered out from behind the glass. Apparently the screen over the chimney is faulty, allowing a squirrel to fall/squirm in (I say

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Baker
Sonja said: I motion a major ding be dealt to JDG for not acting according to our current list policy IAAMOAC. JDG should know better then to dismiss minority viewpoints using personal grudges. I agree with this, and thought it was somewhat odd to see my post mentioned in John's summary

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And where exactly is all that money supposed to come from? There are several answers to your points. The first is that, obviously, Britain _has_ created a force capable of power projection, so clearly it is within the

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Andrew Crystall wrote: On 5 Feb 2003 at 10:30, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: This was neither necessary, nor called for. In my opinion JDG didn't It was humour. Something this list has been badly lacking I must have missed the smilies then add any content to the discussion,

Locus Mag

2003-02-05 Thread G. D. Akin
Go to locusmag.com for an interesting (and controversial) essay on Columbia and several interesting rebuttals, including Jerry Pournelle. 02.03 - Columbia, and the Dreams of Science Fiction Gary Westfahl wonders if the cozy dramas of SF contributed to unrealistic expectations about the ease

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:12:33AM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Since EU is more into social goals, it is hard to imagine they'd spent more on the military unless they were under direct attack. I admit, that it would be too late to change anything in that eventuallity but that's

Re: Cold weather and Poor fireplaces

2003-02-05 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:07:30AM +, Richard Baker wrote: holes they were using. A couple of days ago I went up there to check for damage and found that it was actually squirrels. There are at least two of them up there and they seem moderately tame. Now we're trying to figure out the

Re: Lousy reporting

2003-02-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 06:36 PM 2/4/03 -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: At 04:59 PM 2/4/2003 -0600, you wrote: At 08:43 AM 2/4/03 -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: At 07:39 AM 2/3/2003 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote: Watching ABC this morning... Speaking of lousy reporting, I have to speak up and say that there is *way* too much

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:12:33AM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Since EU is more into social goals, it is hard to imagine they'd spent more on the military unless they were under direct attack. I admit, that it would be too late to change anything in that

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 06:29 PM 2/4/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I musta missed sumpin' . . . Thanks for providing the catalyst to the flashbacks of when the septic system backed into the basement. (The basement had a sump pump in the corner, of course it was the *wrong* corner once

Re: Teens and mild concussion

2003-02-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:40 PM 2/4/03 -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: A small study (N=64), but based on prior research (in adults) I suspect large ones will bear this out: http://my.webmd.com/content/Article/60/66963.htm?printing=true For teenage athletes, even mild concussions can cause memory problems lasting up

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Ray Ludenia
Erik Reuter wrote: Oh, sorry, it seems I haven't mastered the EU technique of insulting and retreating. EU_mode [turns around and bends over] I fart in your general direction! [runs like mad, not to return to this subject] /EU_mode What an arsehole. Ray.

RE: Irregulars question: Apache

2003-02-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Irregulars question: Apache I have a computer running Linux. How can I make Apache run? /politically incorrect alert/ Tell them

From NASA Science News this morning

2003-02-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
Regarding Columbia: a note to our subscribers Feb. 4th, 2003: At the dawn of the space age some 40 years ago, we always knew who was orbiting Earth or flying to the Moon. Neil Armstrong, Yuri Gagarin, John Glenn. They were household names--everywhere. Lately it's different. Space flight has

Re: Irregulars question: Apache

2003-02-05 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:18 AM 2/5/03 -0200, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I have a computer running Linux. How can I make Apache run? Send in the cavalry? -- Ronn! :) Professional Smart-Aleck. Do Not Attempt. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Shuttle Cover-up?

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Julia Thompson wrote: Maybe it was just more fun than watching Bush Blair slam Coors Light and molest the livestock. I didn't think that Blair was a Scotsman. If he were a Scotsman he'd drink better beer. No, this is more a follow the leader type of thing. Marvin

Re: B5 dvd

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, G. D. Akin wrote: I don't know, but do you know when Season 3 of Stargate SG-1 will be out? I'm afraid not. I've never been able to get into Stargate. Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA)

[clearspringzendo] Columbia tragedy (fwd)

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
This seems worth sharing. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:31:32 - From: drstopher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [clearspringzendo] Columbia tragedy Om gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha Feb. 2, 2003 -- NPR

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Baker
Erik said: Just why should the EU seriously on military and foreign policy matters? Let's not forget that the EU itself is a triumph of the collective foreign policies of the European nations. Of course, the US was vital militarily because it helped protect Europe from the might of the Soviet

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Erik Reuter wrote: Another course of action is of course to try and prevent being attacked in the first place. It worked so far. But, the EU hasn't mastered diplomatic foreign policy either. I gather that you think the US's foreign policy is perfect in every respect then? Just why should the

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's not forget that the EU itself is a triumph of the collective foreign policies of the European nations. Of course, the US was vital militarily because it helped protect Europe from the might of the Soviet Union, but it's almost entirely as a

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: The US has consistently (and mistakenly, in my opinion) encouraged the creation and expansion of the European Union. Why mistakenly? Marvin Long ROU Genuinely curious. Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 06:29 PM 2/4/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I musta missed sumpin' . . . Thanks for providing the catalyst to the flashbacks of when the septic system backed into the basement. (The basement had a sump pump in the corner, of

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Baker
Gautam said: So how about some credit where it's due, actually? That would be a nice, refreshing change from what we usually get from Europe. You'll notice that in the email you quoted I described the American contribution as vital. For that matter, Lend-Lease aid to Britain and especially

Re: Fwd: Candlestick Rocket Ship

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Deborah Harrell wrote: For those who aren't already subscribed to the free NASA newsletter: NASA Science News for January 29, 2003 Forget antimatter and dilithium crystals. The next hot rocket fuel is candle wax!

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: The US has consistently (and mistakenly, in my opinion) encouraged the creation and expansion of the European Union. Why mistakenly? Marvin Long Several reasons. First, I think the European

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Richard Baker wrote: Why mistakenly? Presumably because a strong, coherent European Union would provide a serious rival to the United States and would prevent the US unilaterally acting across the globe to provide peace and security using its own methods. Even I can

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel So that's why I think the EU is a bad idea, the short version :-) For the long version, please send a stamped self addressed

Re: Fwd: Candlestick Rocket Ship

2003-02-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: For those who aren't already subscribed to the free NASA newsletter: NASA Science News for January 29, 2003 Forget antimatter and dilithium crystals. The next hot rocket fuel is candle wax!

Re: B5 dvd

2003-02-05 Thread Julia Thompson
G. D. Akin wrote: I don't know, but do you know when Season 3 of Stargate SG-1 will be out? No info on that on amazon.com. You *could* go to amazon.com and sign up to be alerted when there's more Stargate SG-1 stuff announced. That would probably get you the information as quickly as

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:35 AM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel Erik said: Just why should the EU seriously on military and foreign policy matters? Let's not forget that the EU itself is

Re: Irregulars question: Apache

2003-02-05 Thread William T Goodall
on 5/2/03 1:18 pm, Alberto Monteiro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a computer running Linux. How can I make Apache run? Try man apachectl and man httpd for instructions. Remember getting the latest updates, and setting permissions correctly, and so forth, if you intend to serve the world.

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel Before anyone else gigs me for this. :-) There is a lot of validity in this argument. However, let be quibble. The ^^ me Dan

RE: Colin Powell

2003-02-05 Thread Horn, John
From: Miller, Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Hey, no fair, I already made that joke! ;) That'll teach me to reply with a smart-ass comment before I've caught up on all my email... Of course, if I did that, I'd never post anything...* - jmh * Which might be an improvement, you never

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
Ok...so what I'm getting from this is that: 1. A militarily weak, bureaucratically top-heavy EU is not good. 2. A militarily strong, bureaucratically top-heavy EU is not good. 3. A militarily strong, streamlined and capitalistic United States of Europe would not be good. 4. A militarily

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So a unified EU army is at current somewhat utopical. Well, first, sure, but individual countries could create one. You gave a bunch of reasons why not. They're all fine, but that's still a choice. If a country's internal politics

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6. A unipolar West, in which each European nation's relationship with and deference to the US is regarded as more important than its relationships with its neighbors, is good. Each nation would have just enough of a military to assist the

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gautam Mukunda wrote: (...) In my opinion, the only stable and peaceful global power structure is a unipolar one - one with one dominant country. I don't think so. I think the most stable power structure is _tripolar_, with the biggest and strongest still weaker than the combination

Re: Irregulars question: Apache

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
William T Goodall wrote: I have a computer running Linux. How can I make Apache run? Try man apachectl and man httpd for instructions. Remember getting the latest updates, and setting permissions correctly, and so forth, if you intend to serve the world. If you just want to

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel Gautam Mukunda wrote: (...) In my opinion, the only stable and peaceful global power structure is a unipolar one - one

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gautam Mukunda wrote: I don't think so. I think the most stable power structure is _tripolar_, with the biggest and strongest still weaker than the combination of the other two. Please, please, please let's not get into this discussion. Then leave it :-P There have

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, please, please let's not get into this discussion. There have been untold hundreds of books written on the topic. You are the first person I've ever read to stake out the tripod position, though :-) The main schools as to which is most

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: One, it will eventually break apart into hundreds of factions competing among themselves Alberto, I realize that US history is not critical for Brazil, so I thought I let you know that question has been settled for the US 138 years ago. Oh, Humanity has been

Plus the NY Times Re: The Washington Post Editorial on Iraq

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
I would leaven it with the following from the NY Times (Friedman): http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/05/opinion/05FRIE.html On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26873-2003Feb4.html For non-American readers, the Washington Post (my favorite

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel Dan Minette wrote: One, it will eventually break apart into hundreds of factions competing among themselves Alberto,

Why the war worries me....

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
OK, having made the case for going into Iraq, I'm going to do something fairly bizarre and explain why I didn't make up my mind about it until recently, and why I'm still not necessarily enthusiastic. First, let me suggest that everyone read

Re: Plus the NY Times Re: The Washington Post Editorial on Iraq

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Plus the NY Times Re: The Washington Post Editorial on Iraq I would leaven it with the following from the NY Times (Friedman):

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: Oh, Humanity has been playing with states for more than 5,000 years. 138 years is a _very_ significant number. Is there a statistician in the house? :-) No, I'm arguing that representative governments in countries with high mobility have different mechanisms for

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:53 AM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel But we can look at micro-situations, where a unipolar power arises and then breaks up. Any communist one-power political

The U.S. of E. L3! Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread John D. Giorgis
I'd like to speak up in favor of a United States of Europe being in the US National interest. First, I'll concede that Gautam's most powerful argument is that the governance of the European Union, as currently constituted, is fundamentally borken - and it appears less than certain that the

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette wrote: But we can look at micro-situations, where a unipolar power arises and then breaks up. Any communist one-power political party, for example, ends up breaking into several parts. Only under outside force. That's the catch. There has _always_ been an outside

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Alberto Monteiro wrote: The USA will break 140 years after it establishes a monopolistic tyranny over the rest of the world :-) Whoa! Paging Harry Seldon, paging Harry Seldon :-) Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter Ashcroft, LLP

Re: The U.S. of E.

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: 6) Lastly, I think that many in the Bush Administration would agree with me that the greatest long-term (50-100+ years) strategic threat to US interests is China. (...) Not Mexico? What if the Mexicans that live in the occupied territories start an intifada? Alberto

Re: The U.S. of E.

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: Re: The U.S. of E. JDG wrote: 6) Lastly, I think that many in the Bush Administration would agree with me that the greatest long-term

Re: The U.S. of E.

2003-02-05 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Not Mexico? What if the Mexicans that live in the occupied territories start an intifada? They'll have to get in line behind the white conservative Christian intifada. Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Poindexter Ashcroft, LLP

Re: The U.S. of E.

2003-02-05 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 2/5/2003 11:25:18 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not Mexico? What if the Mexicans that live in the occupied territories start an intifada? Alberto Monteiro Intifaheta is more likely. And I thought the discovery of monopoles would be a

fancloth

2003-02-05 Thread The Fool
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_747591.html?menu=news.latestheadlines Japanese scientist invents 'invisibility cloak' A Japanese scientist has developed a coat which appears to make the wearer invisible. The illusion was part of a demonstration of optical camouflage technology at Tokyo

Re: Heat-seeking missiles?

2003-02-05 Thread Bryon Daly
Funny story: My wife works in a fertility center and was looking under a microscope at some sperm in a petri dish. She observered some of them busily trying to penetrate a round object, which the embryologist she was working with confirmed was an air bubble. The embryologist said to her: Just

What do you drink most? was, Re: how republican insiders got the carcinogen nutrasweet into food

2003-02-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Andrew Crystall wrote: On 25 Dec 2002 at 12:01, Julia Thompson wrote: Nick already told one horror story about the effects of aspartame on some people. *shrugs* It makes me a bit hyper. Which is admitedly useful when I need to work nights. Besides, it's that or cheap lemonade given how

Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally'

2003-02-05 Thread The Fool
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030204-031831-1626r Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally' By Martin Walker UPI Chief International Correspondent From the International Desk Published 2/4/2003 8:43 PM View printer-friendly version WASHINGTON, Feb. 4 (UPI) -- France is no longer an ally

Seen on a local gas pump...

2003-02-05 Thread Bryon Daly
My wife was filling up her gas tank this morning at a local station, and she saw a large sticker on the pump with all the usual notices, plus one new one: No smoking. Please pay first before pumping after 7PM. Please replace nozzle in holder when finished pumping. : etc : Thank

Re: fancloth

2003-02-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
Some thoughts at 3pm: From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: fancloth Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:08:02 -0600 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_747591.html?menu=news.latestheadlines Japanese scientist invents 'invisibility cloak' Must have been a closeted DD fan. Okay, maybe Ghost in

Re: Scouted: CNN's Brown played golf through shuttle story

2003-02-05 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:09 PM 2/4/2003 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: Clearly, it wasn't in his contract. In the real world of business, John, there is an implicit contract as well as an explicit contract. Obviously, they differ in their opinons on the nature of the implicit contract.Personally, I'm shocked that

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:52 5-2-2003 +, Andy Crystall wrote: This was neither necessary, nor called for. It was humour. Something this list has been badly lacking It didn't come across as humour. In fact, the absence of anything indicating humour (such as smileys), combined with Giorgis's track record

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 06:21 5-2-2003 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: Since EU is more into social goals, it is hard to imagine they'd spent more on the military unless they were under direct attack. I admit, that it would be too late to change anything in that eventuallity but that's the way it is. And that is one

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:09 5-2-2003 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: Efforts and feelings do not equal results. But hey, it feels good to act morally superior and keep the mean dog locked up out of sight until it is needed. When it is needed the mean dog must quickly do as it is told and then get back in the doghouse.

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:44 PM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel Actually, our military forces are perfectly useful for what we intend them to do: defending our borders. The act of

Re: For the chocoholics...

2003-02-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip BTW, is it OK to have dark chocolate with a little extra flavor added? :) I'm savoring a small individually-wrapped chocolate orange slice. I sometimes nibble (no more than 2 squares a day) on

Brin-L Chat Reminder

2003-02-05 Thread Steve Sloan II
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it's happening now. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help

Re: Scouted: CNN's Brown played golf through shuttle story

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: CNN's Brown played golf through shuttle story At 12:09 PM 2/4/2003 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: Clearly, it wasn't in his contract. In

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 8:00, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: The US has consistently (and mistakenly, in my opinion) encouraged the creation and expansion of the European Union. Why mistakenly?

Re: Irregulars question: Apache

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 11:18, Alberto Monteiro wrote: I have a computer running Linux. How can I make Apache run? Not without telling us at least which distro you're running. And I DON'T advise doing it on a home PC either. Andy Dawn Falcon ___

Re: The U.S. of E. L3! Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 13:12, John D. Giorgis wrote: 6) Lastly, I think that many in the Bush Administration would agree with me that the greatest long-term (50-100+ years) strategic threat to US interests is China. If China fails to reform as it developes, and instead develops a reactionary,

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 16:03, Dan Minette wrote: US was wrong in leading the effort to retake Kuwait, was it wrong in defending Saudi Arabia? No. Was it wrong to stop before Bagdad and to hand the power back to the opressive Saudi regime? Yes. Don't get me started on that one. Andy Dawn Falcon

Re: For the chocoholics...

2003-02-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: I don't use flavored varieties myself because they are usually sweeter and may have more fat, but if you can confine yourself to 2 squares, I think it's OK. (Me, I can't do the Dove or Godiva dark b/c it just tastes sooo good! The semi-sweet gives me the

Everquest Economics

2003-02-05 Thread John D. Giorgis
Fantasy Economics Why economists are obsessed with online role-playing games. By Robert Shapiro Updated Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:26 AM PT The most popular article in the leading economics Web archive doesn't concern tax policy, international trade, or the theory of the firm. It's about

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:07 PM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel On 5 Feb 2003 at 16:03, Dan Minette wrote: US was wrong in leading the effort to retake Kuwait, was it wrong in defending

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 16:03 5-2-2003 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: I take it you wouldn't have minded if Hussein became much more powerful than Europe after taking over the Middle East. This point is rather moot, as he would never have succeeded in taking over the Middle East. He couldn't even hold on to Kuwait,

Re: Cold weather and Poor fireplaces

2003-02-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Every since I've been back at my parents, there's been a lot of noise coming from the attic above my bedroom. Sometimes there's the sound of scratching, other times a series of loud bumps or a series of clicking footsteps. We'd assumed that

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of Europe could certainly spend more on the military. But again, where is that money supposed to come from? Raising taxes? A Marshall Plan for Europe's military? How about cuts in non-defense spending? That is an option, after all. God

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:05:53 - On 5 Feb 2003 at 8:00, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Marvin Long, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Gautam Mukunda wrote: The US has consistently (and mistakenly,

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's 2003 now and he is still in power, so obviously he wasn't stopped. What happened was that the international community joined forces to chase him out of Kuwait. Who did most of the fighting? I'll give you a hint - both countries involved

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:18 PM Subject: Re: The Axis of Weasel At 16:03 5-2-2003 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: I take it you wouldn't have minded if Hussein became much more powerful than

Re: Cold weather and Poor fireplaces

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Baker
Debbi said: If you don't have an Animal Control department that loans out live traps (or comes out to remove the animals unharmed), you could try bringing a friend's dog (on a leash, of course, and maybe a smallish terrier-type so as not to break through the ceiling) into the attic when the

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Great, great snippage. Just using Gautam Mukunda wrote: How about cuts in non-defense spending? That is an option, after all. God did not mandate that Europe swaddle its people in a welfare state. and Even for the US the $400 billion that we do spend is not small change. But fine.

Bush vs. Clinton on CAFE

2003-02-05 Thread John D. Giorgis
Much has been made of Bush's supposed opposition to raising the fuel economy standards of SUV's. as it turns out, however: Increases in required SUV (light truck) fuel economy proposed by the Bush administration: 1.5 m.p.g. (from 20.7 to 22.2 m.p.g.) Increases in required SUV fuel economy

Re: Bush vs. Clinton on CAFE

2003-02-05 Thread Jon Gabriel
What did Clinton propose? Were the proposed changes higher than those put into effect? Jon GSV Curious From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Bush vs. Clinton on CAFE Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 17:48:52 -0500 Much

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Jeroen wrote: So, what were all those non-British European forces doing in the Middle East during the Gulf War? Enjoying the scenery? anti-european Help Saddam train target practice :-) /anti-european Alberto Monteiro ___

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 16:24, Dan Minette wrote: On 5 Feb 2003 at 16:03, Dan Minette wrote: US was wrong in leading the effort to retake Kuwait, was it wrong in defending Saudi Arabia? No. Was it wrong to stop before Bagdad and to hand the power back to the opressive Saudi regime?

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 17:25, Jon Gabriel wrote: Several reasons. First, I think the European Union is profoundly anti-democratic. It concerns me greatly, What's so wonderful about *reprisentative* democracy? Every time I read about how wonderful it is, I remember that Hitler being elected.

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 5 Feb 2003 at 14:23, Gautam Mukunda wrote: How about cuts in non-defense spending? That is an option, after all. God did not mandate that Europe swaddle its people in a welfare state. G-d didn't dictate you leave your poor to starve in the street either. Andy Dawn Falcon

Easterbrook's 1980 Article on the Shuttle

2003-02-05 Thread John D. Giorgis
This thing is eerily prescient. JDG Columbia must be fitted out with 33,000 of these tiles, each to be applied individually, each unique in shape. The inch-thick tiles, made of pyrolized carbon, are amazing in two respects. They can be several hundred degrees hot on one side while

Re: The Axis of Weasel

2003-02-05 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: snip Just a little thing ... might I add that I do very much resent you making insinuations as to my integrety on this list. I think my track record isn't *so* bad that I deserve it... I try to be fair to everybody as much as I can. I go out of my

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