A court in Argentina granted human rights to a captive Urangutan:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/21/us-argentina-orangutan-idUSKBN0JZ0Q620141221
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/orangutan-granted-basic-legal-rights-in-argentina#.fimQx6Xkb
William Taylor wrote:
The 4th dimension is going to close down as the galaxy that Jijo is in
breaks away from the other four galaxies.
It also mean that all the magic will go out from Jijo. Everything
that can't be explained by XX-cent technology will cease to work.
No more psychic powers
Dan Minette thread-killed:
I don't expect to see it, ever. But, that demo is an example of the very
easy baby steps that would have to be taken very early in the project. The
fact that we don't have a demo of baby steps is a very good indicator of
where the project is.
This is not
David Hobby wrote:
Or are you worried about energy being beamed down inefficiently, producing
much more heat than just the amount from people using energy directly?
No, even if it was possible to beam energy with 100% efficiency...
it's still energy. It comes down, it must get out. If not,
Even if these things were economically viable (which they probably
ain't), ambientally it would be a disaster. I can't image the Earth
getting such extra amount of radiant energy and not turning it (she?
Gaia?) into a hell much worse than the most pessimistic images of the
most radical ecogroups.
of the message that I edited out.
Alberto Monteiro
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From: E. S. zoon33@h...
Date: 2013/5/16
Subject: RE: Brin-l List: How to join?
To: ALBERTO VIEIRA FERREIRA MONTEIRO albm...@centroin.com.br
(...)
I haven't read Heaven's Reach in a while, but I don't
remember
This sounds like something you were saying some time ago:
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/commute/2013/04/lots-cars-and-trucks-no-traffic-signs-or-lights-chaos-or-calm/5152/
Except:
Shared space is a term that simply describes a shift in thinking away
from the regulated highway towards using
Dan Minette wrote:
The poison you talk about is roundup. And, yes, if I drank a bottle of it,
I'd probably be sick. But, I've used it on weeds. Spray it on grass, and
the grass dies, but spray it on weeds 3 inches from grass, and the small
amount that gets on the grass doesn't hurt it. If
Klaus Stock wrote:
Nope. In Germany, political reasons are the real reasons, not common
sense.
The europeans are crazy. They don't know what to do, they add a lot of
uncertainty to the economy with all those subsidies that come and go,
taxes that come and go, and regulations that come and go.
Dan Minette wrote:
Wind just needs one, effective storage. The lack of it is why
wind power cannot be counted on as part of peak demand.
It only made sense when natural gas was expensive.
Here in Brazil, Wind is used as part of the electric grid (there is a
country-wide electric grid, only
For God's sake (written as 日本酒), Japan had the earthquake of the
century, it hit hard on the nuclear plants, and almost nothing
happened. If this is not a very good security test on nuclear power,
then I don't know what could be. Maybe hit a nuclear plant with an
airplane?
Alberto Monteiro
Dan Minette prayed:
We need a black swan.
Maybe we already have it. The wiki model is working for editing
wikipedias (not only _the_ Wikipedia, but many other clones, parodies,
porn sites or just silly stuff), It began with IMDB and if they hadn't
been such stupid jerks IMDB would have turned
Bryon Daly wrote:
Further, as a Mormon, Romney doesn't quite pass the WASP test so he
basically had to tack hard right to build up his conservative cred to get
the party nomination.
Ugh. Mormons have taken control of the Internet (by Facebook). I'm
glad they didn't take control of the USA
Marriage equality AND marijuana laws passed? Now we know what
Leviticus really meant by A man who layeth with another man must be
stoned. -- attributed to George Takei, 2012-11
for the copy-and-paste, Alberto Monteiro
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So... What about Obama's reelection?
Here in Brazil, we had the impression that the Republicans chose the
worst possible candidate, someone they put there to lose. Or maybe the
Democrats voted in the Republican primaries to make him win.
Did anyone over there ever think that Mitt Romney had
Dan Minette wrote:
Spam spam spam spam lovely spam, wonderful spam.a spambot got into
brin-l.
Did you'all notice that 99% of all wikis are controlled by spam bots?
A lot of people create wikis and then abandon them. And the spam bots
take over. Spammers no longer attack mailing lists,
Dan Minette wrote:
And, ethanol has been a highly subsidized substitute, which
should lower gasoline consumption about 3%, even with fuel consumption
constant.
BTW, isn't it funny that, in 2011, Brazil was a huge importer of USA's
ethanol? So, the american taxpayers are financing brazilian
BTW, those who like movies and/or greek mythology, stay away
from this crap.
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David Hobby wrote:
The proposer, Abductive, may even have been right. But
that does not mean that he is not a troll.
The troll sent me a message. I didn't even bother
to reply a f-y.
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Keith Henson wrote:
I could go into detail including the economic models, but I don't know
if there is anyone on this list who can follow the physics, chemistry
and math.
Probably not, we are very stupid when it comes down to the math
used in astrodynamics, chemistry or economy.
Alberto
Article Alvin Hph-wayuo was proposed for elimination. From what
I know about such things, it will be eliminated :-(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Hph-wayuo
Maybe it's time to setup a Brin wiki
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A great episode!!!
Tool-using dolphins, self-uplifing chimpanzees, dolphins that remember humans
as Gods in the Golden Age.
What's next? Whales, Gorillas or AIs?
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On 2009-09-05, Dan M wrote:
We know that, while we cannot see trends as absolute rules when dealing
with complex systems, the most persimmons model consistent within the data
has the best chance of being a reasonable approximation of what we will
understand as we gain a better, more detailed
Dave Land wrote:
But of course I was referring to the conspiracy-theory _secret_ nazi
base. The secret nazi base in the other side of the Moon was found
when the first spaceships mapped that place, and it was preemptively
destroyed with the first successful time-travelling experiment.
I
Rceeberger wrote:
OTOH, right now my favourite series is the Anime Death Note -
I don't miss an episode.
I've seen the whole series and the movies based on the series. They are
excellent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-SpNRR8FZk
Opening theme for season 2 by Maximum the Hormone.
Irony:
Rceeberger wrote:
But here
it's not broadcast on normal channels, but on the cable-channel
Animax (aka The Hentai Channel :-) )
I'm
still on Season 1, so no spoilers please.
How many episodes have you seen?
I assume you have met L if you have gotten in far enough to be hooked.
Yes, the
Deborah Harrell wrote:
And as I'm rereading _Glory Season_ by Himself (thought I'd give it another
go, as it was back in '95 that I read it first, and didn't like it much
compared to the Uplift series), it too deals with aliens - um,
non-genetically modified humans - 'invading' a world. Upon
After four years trying to fix USA's economy, Obama dies.
But he does not die alone: as an asteroid smashes against Earth,
everybody dies. However, in the confusion of dealing with
7 billion incoming souls, the afterlife bureaucracy sends Obama to Hell.
There, he complains, but only after a long
Jim Sharkey wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/4307262/Nazi-
angel-of-death-Josef-Mengele-created-twin-town-in-Brazil.html
Joseph Mengele apparently found a way to increase the birthrate of the
master race, at least in this small Brazilian enclave. Pretty
Obamamania, Rio style:
http://g1.globo.com/Carnaval2009/0,,MUL959331-16634,00.html
Partial translation:
Obama masks are a hit in Rio
Each mask is sold at R$ 4.90 (c. US$ 2.10) in the streets
of Saara (Translator's note: an acronym for a commercial
area). Lula and Eduardo Paes (TN: just-elected
Congratulations! Today you get rid of... of... what's his name? Bull?
Burt? Bast?
An interesting thing: those past weeks, the stock market was so hysterical
that _anything_ Obama said would make it go up, then panic would resume
the next few days and it would crash down again.
Alberto Monteiro
Nick Arnett wrote:
I've created a Twitter user, KillerBs, associated with the list. (...)
I have no fidea of what is a Twitter. I guess it's a kind of robot, and,
in my wish list, a robot that I would like to see is one that grabs
the messages in Brin's blog and reposts here.
Alberto Monteiro
Dan M wrote:
I simply can't get wind into my head as an important source of energy.
Meddlying with the natural wind systems all over the planet will
cause such an horrible impact in the ecosystem that would make the
AGW scenarios look like the Garden of Eden.
Well, we do it when we build
Dan M wrote:
But, it also means that wind can't be counted on. In another forum I was
debating this, and was led to a website maintained by the company that has
the largest fraction of wind in its mix. They stated that they can only
count on about 5% of nameplate capacity, and that this was
Nick Arnett wrote:
HAL is 17 today. Sort of.
http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/01/top-10-evil-com.html
In terms of body count, HAL wouldn't even score 100. But, as
I saw in Terminator: The Sarah Chronicle Series, you are anthropormorphisizing
(or something like that) machines.
Alberto
Dan M wrote:
Personally, I'd bet a beer that bioengineered fuels, that have 10x the
efficiency of ethanol production will have a significant market share in 10
years (say 10% of jet fuel), but electric cars will not be a significant
player (5% of cars sold worldwide in 2019) in that time.
Bruce Bostwick wrote:
(Gripe: 10 cents a watt? I hate it when people are ambiguous about
whether they mean power or energy ..)
I hate it when people ignore existing units, like Joule, and invent
abominations like kwh or MMBTU :-/
Alberto Monteiro
Dan M wrote:
and you'll see what I mean. We know that the energy density of gasoline is
about 46 MJ/Kg. Compare this to the best, most expensive battery (Li ion),
and we get a factor of 100. Electric cars are more efficient (90% vs 20%),
so this gets down to a factor of 22 or so in
Doug Pensinger wrote:
On an SF list you forget Aerospace?
Aerospace is no longer future history, it's alternate history.
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d.brin wrote:
Seems I'll be on the telly again. The two-hour special First
Apocalypse aka What Really Killed the Dinosaurs is scheduled to
air on Wednesday, January 07 @ 09:00 PM on History (please check your
local listing)
So, they also dropped the marijuana-AFT there too? Here in Brazil
Charlie Bell wrote:
No it's no - the UN and African Union have peace-keeping operations in
Darfur. They're underfunded and undereffective, but that's not tacit
approval.
OTOH, I had already read that Africa would collapse due to the AIDS
pandemic, and it seems that it's happening right now.
Dan M. wrote:
As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.
In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America
'Disintegrates' in 2010
I read this a few weeks ago and got a good chuckle out of it. It shows
than Americans aren't the only ones who can be
David Land wrote:
Right. As everyone knows, Mexico is a great power that is poised to
take over the entire Southern tier of the United States. And those
damned Canadians have been quietly biding their time since the
American revolution, lying in wait for just the right moment to
arrive. And
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
Still in the 60s here, though I've already closed
the windows. Expected to be in the upper 30s by
morning, and maybe as low as 20 (°F, for Alberto,
et. al.) Monday or Tuesday morning . . .
It's depressingly cold here in the (alleged) tropics.
We miss the days when
Euan Ritchie wrote:
It's depressingly cold here in the (alleged) tropics.
We miss the days when temperature was 40.
Yesterday was the Summer solstice here in the South Pacific and the day
before was cold - only 6 degrees celsius.
Global warming harumph.
The science-deniers at
Wayne Eddy wrote:
Cyprus was full of them working bar, waiting, or worse being exploited
in strip clubs. (It wasn't like London where an attractive woman could
make good money doing exotic dancing a couple of times a week -
these girls were often being forced to have sex with customers).
Dan M. wrote:
I would have thought that a low birth rate is very very good
evidence of being part of the first world.
It does have that in common with the first world. But, the life expectancy
of both men and women in every age catagory is less than it was 40 years
ago.
And how can we
There is another metaphor from fiction that would seem to apply,
from the Douglas Adams series The Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.”
In book #3 (I think), our heroes find themselves on the “C Ark”
from Golgafrincham, carrying the entire planet’s supply of
“middle-men, managers,
Nick Arnett wrote:
Wikipedia probably has an article on the subject. Try searching on
democracy.
Found it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy#The_Bush_Administration
Oops, the page was vandalized :-(
Alberto Monteiro
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Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
If someone _physically_ attacks one of my kids or my wife (all
hypothetical atm), they may find themselves suddenly with one or
several surplus body openings in whatever caliber I can lay my hands
on at the time . . .
So, your kid (or wife) is playing with a
John Williams wrote:
Did you make any posts predicting the housing crisis before, say,
2004?
I did. Unfortunately, I can't find the post where I predicted it.
But I always predict disasters, so it's not surprising that
sometimes I'm right.
Cassandra Monteiro
John Williams wrote:
I think that heroin addicts should use drugs responsibly. I think
anybody does. Let's give the addicts a plentiful suppy of heroin and
hope they behave!
I don't like to feed the trolls, but this time I think you crossed the
line.
Comparing government expending with
How's Obama Going to Raise $4.3 Trillion?
Who fscking cares?
AFAIK, in the past 100 years, only _two_ elected politicians proceeded
according to what they promised. The other one is bolivian Evo Morales.
Alberto Monteiro
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Jon Louis Mann wrote:
thanks for the correction, alberto. what part of the netherlands is
holland?
The most important part: Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague, etc are in Holland.
Now there are two: Northern Holland and Southern Holland.
is it correct to call natives of the netherlands,
Ever notice that Sarah Palin anagrams to Sharia plan.
So, clearly, she's the one who plans to institute Muslim
law in the United States. Other anagrams include:
a sharp nail a plain rash. Any chance of a numeralogical
match with 666? Pleze?
Numerology is an easy science!
Sarah
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
A Democratic congress will tax the wealthy and redistribute the
wealth to the poor and middle class.
If McCain wins he will continue GOP policies of subsidizing the corporate
state and cutting social programs. Jon
This is something I don't understand. If Obama is the
Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm not sure exactly what David B.'s attitude is toward the other list, but
he is subscribed, albeit filtered, to this one. David only sees messages
whose subject starts Brin:.
Not counting times when He uses a sock puppet just to see if we
are still worshipping Him in His
Was there any advance in the credit/lawsuit/whatever related to the
rip-off movie The Core? I was editing the Portuguese Wikipedia article
about it, and I would like to know if there is any hard data (references,
frex) about it.
The English Wikipedia article only mentions that it was ripped off
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
I agree, but only because the economic collapse has actually made it likely
that he will be elected. I still would have preferred that Obama picked a
qualified Hispanic woman for his VP. Jon
Like, say, J-Lo?
Alberto Monteiro
PS: fwiw, here's the uncyclopedia page
Julia Thompson wrote:
It's like the people running around accusing Obama of being a Muslim --
it's inaccurate, but they may have been lied to by people who want to turn
opinion against Obama, and not be intending to lie.
That would be the perfect conspiracy theory, following the
Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
At this point I cannot rule out some stupid technical problem, like a
message that got caught in a queue somewhere and just now shook loose.
It *does* happen sometimes.
No, I think he means that the financial system crashed because
the USA abandoned God and became an
I'm watching the news, and among the economical disasters (which
reached Brazil - interest rates, that were immorally high before
the crisis, are even higher), there are good news.
The Jubarte whales found out that the coast of Sergipe, BR, is a
whale sanctuary (as all brazilian coast - enforcing
John Williams wrote:
Imagine that you, me, and a few other stupid guys believe that
some stock prices will go up tomorrow by 10%. What should we do?
Not enough information. What probability will they go up by 10%. What
are other possible outcomes and probabilities? How much money do
we have
John Williams wrote:
I am making it simple. There ain't no options. Just buy or (short) sell.
Oversimplifying, and missing obvious ways to make money. Typical of
people who think they know better how to spend other people's money.
Goodbye. I won't waste my time with Trolls.
Alberto Monteiro
William T Goodall wrote:
That assumes there aren't crazy religionists trying to play the system
to promote their superstitious pernicious garbage.
When it's split between crazy creationists in one side and
mass murdering atheist baby killers on the other side, I think
I side with the
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
When it's split between crazy creationists in one side
and mass murdering atheist baby killers on the other, I
think I side with the creationists.
That is not thinking, Alberto, that is feeling!~) I unequivocally side
with the mass murdering atheists!~).
I don't.
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
Just think of how many children's' lives in Africa could be saved with the
resources used to support the world's first surviving set of septuplets,
born in Des Moines, Iowa to Kenny and Bobbi McCaughey. (...)
So you believe that the logic of capitalism should be used to
Dan M wrote:
With all due respect, so what? Most people prefer drilling everywhere over
$4.00 gasoline. And, the Republicans are winning that argument...the polls
show a massive preference now to drill to bring down the prices.
Right now, this is one of the two arguments I (internally)
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
I bow down to the Chinese volleyball girls,
Err... They were blasted 3 x 0 by the Brazilian volleyball
girls :-P
missed that, congrats to brazil!~)
It was the first time the girls won the gold medal. They didn't
even win it at the Pan american games, here in Rio -
David Brin wrote:
But of course I am distracted by the elections, hoping
we'll at last save America and civilization from a
criminal gang. (What we're seeing -- including the
outright and direct theft of half a trillion dollars
-- goes far beyond regular issues of mere left or
right.)
Now
William T Goodall quoted:
World History and Cultures in Christian Perspective
This well-researched text stands on the conviction that God is the
Creator of the world and the Controller of history.
(...)
and concluded:
These people are mad Maru
And yet, if _we_ are right (i.e., Evolution
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the earth, and subdue it. surely you don't believe that
gawd created man to have dominion over every living thing that moves on the
earth?
OTOH, if this command should be taken
Olin Elliott wrote:
What's really scary about this is that rejecting evolution requires
rejecting the entire framework of modern science,
I must disagree. It requires the freedom of religious belief.
When you believe in a God that is good and respectful, you
automatically must believe that
William T Goodall wrote:
So we don't really know how available some minerals are until we start
looking for them harder?
It happened with oil and gas. Brazil was considered with no oil back in
the 1930s - they were almost right, considering the technology of the time.
Probably the UK and
Julia Thompson wrote:
The moon. The frakkin' moon.
By what they said in dialogue at one point, I figured it was waning. Then
when we saw it on the screen, it was waxing.
Do they need to hire someone who understands the phases of the moon there?
The idiocy of script writers spoiled the
Dan M wrote:
I'd guess $75, because of the fall of the dollar, but with the big Brazil
findand the fact that two countries with tremendous reserves (Venezuela
and Iraq) are marginal producers for political reasons.
Only Venezuela and Iraq? What about Nigeria, Iran, Russia, Alaska...
As
Kevin B. O'Brien blasphemed:
Or does IAAMOAC mean that civilized behavior includes throwing
other people under the wheels in order to save themselves?
I don't recognize the acronym you used,
WHAT??? You herectic scum!
Alberto Monteiro
PS: I am a member of a
Charlie Bell wrote:
Yeah. The point of solar hot water is it's so cheap, and pays for
itself very quickly (3 - 5 years) if it's installed in a new house. So
while it'll never amount to a huge percentage, it's still an
inexpensive way of saving a significant amount of energy. So, like
Charlie Bell wrote:
Seriously, if we want to save the planet, domestic solar power should
be banned! People should live and work in the smallest possible area,
and it means packing families in huge buildings.
Solar hot water, not solar electric. Black pipes in a glass cabinet on
the roof.
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
Which brings us righ back to the dirty little secret of the
environmental movement: that the real underlying problem is that
there are by about an order of magnitude just too darn many people
already, particularly darker-complected ones with no money who don't
speak
Charlie Bell wrote:
Petrol in Melbourne is now $1.51 a litre (USD1.43 a litre, or about
$5.70 a gallon).
Petrol (gasoline) in Rio de Janeiro is now (and for many months)
about R$ 2.70 a litre (about USD 1.625 a litre), of which 25% is
ethanol and 50% are taxes. And food prices are rising
Nick Arnett wrote:
So... I upgraded to Microsoft Office 2007 recently. Can't do half of
what I used to do because I can't find anything. They seem to have
succeeded in making it harder to use.
And you don't even have to handle the mistranslations of the commands.
The idiots that translated
Keith wrote:
Alberto 'oil rulez, fsck space!' Monteiro
Completely correct. But what do you do when you run out of oil? Try
this web site.
http://www.drmillslmu.com/peakoil.htm
We will *never* run out of oil. It's more likely that we will run
out of oxygen in the air :-P
The part on
Dan M wrote:
The trick is, as it always has been, to lower launch costs. Unfortunately,
even in inflation adjusted dollars, launch costs haven't dropped much over
the past 40 years.
Maybe even if launch costs were _zero_, orbital power satellites could
still have a negative energy net
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
I think that's one of the best responses anyone has ever made to one
of WTG's posts on religion. Well worth repeating, also . . .
OTOH, being as far from muslims as possible, I think that message
is scaring.
AGW, Dengue and Muslims Maru
Alberto Monteiro
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
Firefox may be a satisfactory browser but I am quite
disappointed in the lack of functionality of Thunderbird as a mail
client compared with Eudora, so I thought I'd ask if anyone has any
(obviously, non-M$) recommendations?
This is so insane. If you don't like M$
Wayne Eddy wrote:
I have enjoyed all the Uplift novels, but ever since I first read Startide,
I have been waiting for a sequel that shed some light on the fate of the
crew of the skiff.
There are many hints in _Heaven's Reach_ about that fate. For example,
there's a description of Tom's
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7308102.stm
Genes show Latin America's past
Results from a genetic study of Latin America suggest most Latin
Americans are descended from European men and Native American or
African women.
Scientists say the study, said to be the largest of its
Life After People will air on 2008-03-10 21:00 on brazilian's
tetrahydrocanabiol oops... The History Channel.
Alberto Monteiro
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Julia Thompson wrote:
Well, if there had been anyone across the street *to* see on one of the
recent windy days (as if we got any other kind right here?), they would
have told you I wasn't a proper Scotsman. Take that however you like. :)
OTOH, here in Brazil we are experiencing a quite
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
I'd like to see you go for a week's worth of posts without once
mentioning religion. Think you could manage that kind of a challenge?
I will pray for William so that he may resist this temptation.
Alberto Monteiro
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Doug Pensinger wrote:
But McCain has been quoted as saying he wouldn't mind if we stayed there
for another hundred years and talks about surrender as if there was someone
to surrender to. We keep hearing Viet Nam analogies about what might
happen if we leave precipitously (though other Viet
Deborah Harrell wrote:
Hmm, no parallels to global warming and certain
researchers either... The possible link between crime
and lead levels is intriguing; articles on lead's
harmful effects particularly WRT children have been
posted previously, so I won't add any.
O quit cheering!
I am
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
So how many people expect that Fidel Castro won't live out the
week? The month?
Is He alive?
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Dan M wrote:
1) Neli told me at Christmas that she got word from home (Zambia) that the
EU is threatening a withholding of funding if Zambia does not stop the
spraying of house walls with DDT to prevent malaria.
2) This technique has been demonstrated in South Africa and shown on this
list
Nick Arnett wrote:
And here's the game's site:
http://www.spore.com/
There I was, thinking, gee, this seems like Sim City, but with evolution.
And then Will Wright's name appears. Ah.
The idea seems live Civilization - but begins earlier. Is there a multiplayer
version, where each species
William T Goodall wrote:
So by my personal experience of college and the workplace up to that
point I'd have to say between 10% and 17% (at least) of men were gay.
Let's be non-scientific! I remember, at school, that every class had one
or two gay men, and no lesbians. In classes of 40 to 60
Keith Henson wrote:
Considering that polygamy is the norm for the vast majority of the
cultures in the world, it's an interesting question how the western
countries, and a few others, became monogamous. It seems to be
associated with settled agriculture but I don't know if there is a
David Hobby wrote:
An interesting find! That's the first I've heard of the
Conservapedia. It's sometimes hard to tell, but my sense
is that it's not actually meant as humor?
They think they are serious - which makes it even more fun.
A masterpiece of (unintentional) humour is...
Nick Arnett wrote:
Um... William, if Huckabee is elected president of my country, would you
have room for me and my family in yours?
In other words, I'd rather live with a rabid atheist than in a theocracy.
What makes you think it would be _easy_ to flee?
Alberto Monteiro
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