Albert wrote:
Miron Murcury wrote:
There is a Heinline novel about an actor who becomes
President of Earth.
Double Star
And in RAH's Future History, the USA becomes a religious dictatorship
by 2012
snip
--
Is that If This Goes On . . .
Once again, the media has egg on its face with calling the States.
We were told that the projection departments of the media outlets were
going to be sequestered, so that they could not be influenced by outside
predictions and other calls.
We now have the situation that one media outlet, NBC has
George said:
And in RAH's Future History, the USA becomes a religious dictatorship
by 2012
Is that If This Goes On . . .
If we're living in any sf novel, it's surely Baxter's _Titan_! (That one
has the Shuttle Columbia being destroyed on re-entry, Chinese
cosmonauts, a
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems basically over at this point - but apparently
the Kerry campaign is going to hang on. Of all the
possible outcomes, this was not one that crossed my mind.
I'm sure its just fatigue after watching 6 hours of election coverage, but
I really
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John D. Giorgis
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 01:44 AM
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Subject: So Much For Media Calls
Once again, the media has egg on its face with calling the States.
We sat in
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Um, what about the suggestions some have made of having your medical
records stored in the National Health Care Database and every time you
go to buy food, it checks and if you are overweight, have diabetes,
high blood pressure, high cholesterol, or anything else, you
On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:24:21PM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote:
This is becoming common at school canteens here (Parents get to say
what categories of food kids can buy, or apply limits (eg 1 coke per
day or whatever)), and they can't buy anything without swiping their
student card...
What
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Whoever wins (my final prediction) I don't think it
will be as close as people think it will be. I think
we'll know by Wednesday morning. This with more
confidence than my actual pick for the victory.
Do we know yet? :) I know what it looks like, but I think it's
JDG wrote:
At this point, it is hard to see how Kerry wins FL. Overall, Bush
is up 300,000 votes.
So, Floridans aren´t afraid of God´s wrath in the form of
tornadoes? But at least Californians were careful enough not
to call upon themselves earthquakes! :-)
Alberto Monteiro
G. D. Akin wrote:
And in RAH's Future History, the USA becomes a religious dictatorship
by 2012
Is that If This Goes On . . .
No, If This Goes On... is the Fall of the Dictatorship. The Rise
of the Dictatorship is something like The Sound of His Wings,
a book Heinlein never wrote
Alberto
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do we know yet? :) I know what it looks like, but
I think it's too
soon to know for *sure*.
Julia
Actually, I was just thinking that predictoin looks
pretty good. We _know_, it's just that the Kerry
campaign hasn't quite admitted it yet.
On Nov 3, 2004, at 1:59 AM, kerri miller wrote:
I'm sure its just fatigue after watching 6 hours of election coverage,
but
I really want Kerry to drop it as soon as he possibly can. We Dems
lost,
badly, lost ground in Congress, Daschle's out.. we can't claim that
people
don't know about Bush's
On Nov 3, 2004, at 6:27 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
JDG wrote:
At this point, it is hard to see how Kerry wins FL. Overall, Bush
is up 300,000 votes.
So, Floridans aren´t afraid of God´s wrath in the form of
tornadoes? But at least Californians were careful enough not
to call upon themselves
On Nov 3, 2004, at 4:46 AM, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 10:24:21PM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote:
This is becoming common at school canteens here (Parents get to say
what categories of food kids can buy, or apply limits (eg 1 coke per
day or whatever)), and they can't buy anything
At 09:45 AM Wednesday 11/3/04, Dave Land wrote:
On Nov 3, 2004, at 1:59 AM, kerri miller wrote:
I'm sure its just fatigue after watching 6 hours of election coverage, but
I really want Kerry to drop it as soon as he possibly can. We Dems lost,
badly, lost ground in Congress, Daschle's out.. we
Radio reports that Sen. Kerry just called Pres. Bush to congratulate
him.
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On Oct 19, 2004, at 7:14 PM, Robert G. Seeberger wrote:
http://rockstarname.com/index.php
Ooo, I got Rex Manson for rock.
That is soo me it's actually a little spooky.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress The Seven-Year
On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:05 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:45 AM Wednesday 11/3/04, Dave Land wrote:
Don't give up on the party, Kerri... We have work before us --
especially
the important work of reaching out to moral conservatives who
believe
that we Dems have abandoned them.
(1) What is the
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:05 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:45 AM Wednesday 11/3/04, Dave Land wrote:
Don't give up on the party, Kerri... We have work before us --
especially
the important work of reaching out to moral conservatives who
As Steve said,
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
I would recommend to take it easy on this.
There are a few positive things left.
Hope needs trying to count them, as people need hope.
Bush was now very clearly elected president, elected now
for the second time in a row.
It is good to respect the will of the people;
otherwise, this is not a
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:35:02 -0800 (PST), kerri miller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm pretty depressed right now, living in a country that wants to legislate
me out of existence, an administration that lies to me and encourages hate
and violence toward my tribe. I weep, and today can no longer
It was not his proclaimed ideas about government.
The ideas were not unpopular.
Maybe it was something about his persona.
A certain lack of emotional connection with the people.
If Kerry could have dressed up in the flag only a little,
he could have won the election.
Funny thing, I believe he's
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So what is your recommendation for the democrats next time? A centrist
like
Clinton? Or going for something like getting back to the roots of
the party or Dean's democratic wing of the Democrat party?
Install Kerry as the Minority Leader, have him
Ruben Krasnopolsky wrote:
Bush has made some things wrong during his first period.
Iraq's current anarchy probably the worst of them.
Maybe he would make some things better this time - it's not impossible,
especially if he's pressured by public opinion.
But it is a sad fact of history that
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The saddest thing about Bush's reelection: after 4 years, there's no way
someone can come up with an original and funny joke about him. Kerry would be
a new source of jokes :-/
Alberto, you are misunderestimating Bush and his
powers to cause hilarity in others :-)
On Nov 3, 2004, at 2:39 PM, Russell Chapman wrote:
Ruben Krasnopolsky wrote:
Bush has made some things wrong during his first period.
Iraq's current anarchy probably the worst of them.
Maybe he would make some things better this time - it's not
impossible,
especially if he's pressured by public
On Nov 3, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Ruben Krasnopolsky wrote:
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
The saddest thing about Bush's reelection: after 4 years, there's no
way
someone can come up with an original and funny joke about him. Kerry
would be
a new source of jokes :-/
Alberto, you are misunderestimating Bush
kerri miller wrote:
Make sure Obama gets a good committee seat, and make it quite clear
to him that if he has ANY skeletons in the closet (even a paper one packed
away in a box from last halloween) to fess up ASAP.
I don't think he can be on a presidential ticket - his closet skeleton
is on his
- Original Message -
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: It seems over...
kerri miller wrote:
Make sure Obama gets a good committee seat, and make it quite clear
to him that if he
Ruben Krasnopolsky wrote:
Take Menem as a sobering example, just across the border from Brazil...
(Explanation for non-South-Americans: Menem, an Argentine politician
now famous for suspected corruption, pulled off a constitutional
amendment allowing his reelection. People liked him enough
So, how did this all happen?
Here's my assessment..
1) National Security - I've said this many times over the past year that
nominating a former peacnik anti-war activist in wartime was a tremendous
mistake. You would think the Party that twice defended the electability of
a draft-dodger
At 02:58 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
However you characterize President Bush's policies, I think he and
his administration will take re-election as a vote of confidence,
so we should expect four more years of the same, only this time
without concerns about reelectibility.
I don't think
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a couple points.. because I mostly agree with the analysis offered
about the whys of losing.
Meanwhile, Kerry spoke consistently of a global test,
I only heard it once from him... but endlessly from people on the Right who
willfully
Folks,
Lefty writer Andrew Leonard survey[s] the wreckage of the lefty
blogosphere in the wake of the election
(http://www.salon.com/tech/col/leon/2004/11/03/echo_chamber/) and
raises warnings about the risks of spending too much time in the
company of people we agree with.
Not that there's
At 05:08 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
Meanwhile, Kerry spoke consistently of a global test,
I only heard it once from him... but endlessly from people on the Right who
willfully misunderstood or misrepresented what he said.
While the specific words global test were only used the once,
Here's another good analysis of why things ended up as they did
My take on the election: Vision without details beats details without
vision.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109145/
JDG
John D. Giorgis -
You live in an apartment complex. Your neighbour likes to blast his stereo.
You meet with your other fellow tenants to discuss the matter. There's a
wide range of opinions. Yours is to bust down the door and break his stereo
equipment with a brick. Others suggest talking more, intervening with
On Nov 3, 2004, at 7:34 PM, JDG wrote:
At 05:08 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
2) Values/Personality
3) Gay Marriage
http://www.batemania.com/e110404.jpg
Thanks for denying me and my girlfriend equal treatment, John. I
appreciate
it.
Well, so far I have denied nothing, since I did not
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: It seems over...
On Nov 3, 2004, at 7:34 PM, JDG wrote:
At 05:08 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 kerri miller wrote:
2)
On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:25 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
He wrote over a score of posts on that subject...some giving a very
detailed explanation of his position. I have a pretty good idea of
where
he standsI'm getting old, and my memory is fading, but I could
probably
give a fair representation of
On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:35 AM, kerri miller wrote:
I'm pretty depressed right now, living in a country that wants to
legislate
me out of existence, an administration that lies to me and encourages
hate
and violence toward my tribe.
No one wants to legislate GLBT folk out of existence; they just
John D. Giorgis wrote:
Here's another good analysis of why things ended up as they did
http://slate.msn.com/id/2109145/
Did I understand the bit about the number of voters right?
I got the impression that John Kerry got more votes in this election
than any president in the history
Dave Land wrote:
In an off-list conversation with Nick, he opined that we're at the
beginning of what may turn out to be a generations-long
coming-to-terms with having an unprecedented variety of points of view
available via the Internet. Right now, we just don't know what the
heck to do with
--- Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did I understand the bit about the number of voters
right?
I got the impression that John Kerry got more votes
in this election
than any president in the history of the USA ever
got?
The popular vote thing I understand (though 1988 was
a long
Russell Chapman wrote:
Conversely, any regular reader of UseNet would have seen preaching and
mudslinging of unprecedented proportions from both sides, the end result
of which seemed to be people reeling from the medium of the message (ie
if you're the sort of person represented by candidate
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: It seems over...
On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:25 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
How about a lack of pedantry? I don't particularly care
On Nov 3, 2004, at 9:36 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Historically, when countries
are happy they have low turnout. At election time,
the US has been an extremely happy country since 1980.
Maybe. I'm not sure how much of low turnout can be attributable to
happiness as opposed to apathy or
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Nov 3, 2004, at 9:36 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Historically, when countries
are happy they have low turnout. At election time,
the US has been an extremely happy country since 1980.
Maybe. I'm not sure how much of low turnout can be attributable to
You can find his site. I don't like raising his google page rank.
--
I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions
and ought to be encouraged,
--Antonin Scalia (Supreme Court Member)
___
Folks,
The secret weapon of the neo-conservative movement is
self-righteousness.
Pick a /behavioral/ minority, label them immoral, and whip up the
moral majority with Bible verses that seem to justify their
marginalization.
It fueled the extraordinarily high number of voters citing Moral
On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:20 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 02:58 PM 11/3/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote:
However you characterize President Bush's policies, I think he and
his administration will take re-election as a vote of confidence,
so we should expect four more years of the
On Nov 3, 2004, at 8:50 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
I'm on a mailing list for a group that's designed for a specific
purpose, and politics isn't it. Someone posted a quasi-political joke
...
and was kindly told by the moderator that we would NOT discuss politics
on that list.
The kind of thing that
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