At 22:17 7-3-2003 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote:
G. D. Akin wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
There was a short-lived movement to replace the GOTO with a new
statement, COMEFROM, but for some reason it never caught on . . .
I have a copy of the COMEFROM article somewhere. If I can find it,
On Thu Mar 6 18:04:31 PST 2003, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 01:45 AM 3/4/03 -0500, Han Tacoma wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:35:29 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote:
[...snip...]
mistaken and by that time I had already left IBM with my early retirement
package and was learning a new life in a
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
There was a short-lived movement to replace the GOTO with a new statement,
COMEFROM, but for some reason it never caught on . . .
I have a copy of the COMEFROM article somewhere. If I can find it, I get
it to you. Are we allowed to send attachments on this list?
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo Wrote:
Spaghetti code was a very negative thing to have written on your
assignment. Heard of Lasagna Code? I'm not kidding.
George A
What was lasagna code? That's an interesting term.
It was structure code carried to an extreme. It was so filled with nested
For,
G. D. Akin wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
There was a short-lived movement to replace the GOTO with a new statement,
COMEFROM, but for some reason it never caught on . . .
I have a copy of the COMEFROM article somewhere. If I can find it, I get
it to you. Are we allowed to send
At 09:40 PM 3/2/03 -0500, Han Tacoma wrote:
Let me not forget punch machines (024, 026 -- actually printed the
contents
of the card on top of the card, 029 -- a bit more modern) and there used to
be rooms filled with these machines -- usually 10 - 100, depending on the
size of the business. This
At 03:41 PM 3/5/03 +, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
JJ wrote:
That's odd indeed. I remember when I started teaching (late 80's) when
BASIC was the standard. It may have been a regional thing, though.
Then, I got a notice from the College Board annouuncing the big switch to
PASCAL.
On a
At 09:40 PM 3/2/03 -0500, Han Tacoma wrote:
Computers, ...OK my first machine was a 1401 and it had 4K of memory,
that's right, only 4K.
My first was an 1130 which had been upgraded from the basic model to have
8K of core memory¹, which meant the most precision I was ever able to coax
out of
At 08:21 PM 3/4/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
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From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie So
undtrack?]
From: Jose J. Ortiz
At 06:47 PM 3/4/03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
George wrote:
In my first programming course, in BASIC, we had to simulate control
structures with the controlled use of IF ... GOTO.
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I
At 05:26 PM 3/5/03 -0600, Horn, John wrote:
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I remember clearly how much of a big NONO our programming
teachers made with
GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code?
When they banned GOTO, I showed 'em! I changed all my code to
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the time, and it had
two brand new commands (new for us, anyway); GOSUB and RETURN. The
programming teachers immediately
From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GOTO was the reason my father would not let me take programming in high
school; all the programming classes were BASIC, except that if you'd had 2
courses of BASIC, you could then take Pascal. I didn't get to take a
programming class until I could have one
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From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:28 AM
Subject: RE: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie So
undtrack?]
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Especially
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie
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Reggie Bautista wrote:
George wrote:
In my first
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie So
undtrack?]
From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 10:46:07AM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
Our curriculum leading up to the College Board's Computer Sciences
AP Exam was more or less formatted the same way, up until about 3 or
4 years ago. Then they switched BASIC to PASCAL, and C would be the
ultimate objective
From: G. D. Akin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code?
JJ
An how. My instructors had no qualms about GOTOs in languages that had no
other way to implement the standard control structure. However, they had
BIG qualms about the uncontrolled use of GOTOs.
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's odd. I took Computer Science AP in 1988 and we used Pascal. Is
your AP Exam different than ours (mainland US)? Or did it switch from
Pascal to BASIC and back after I took it?
That's odd indeed. I remember when I started teaching (late 80's) when
BASIC
On Tue Mar 4 18:42:38 PST 2003, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Han Tacoma wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:32:36 -0600 Reggie Bautista gives me a well
deserved lecture about the list's netiquette:
[...snip...]
I wasn't trying to lecture, just inform :-)
Just jesting, thanks though :-)
[...snip...]
JJ wrote:
That's odd indeed. I remember when I started teaching (late 80's) when
BASIC was the standard. It may have been a regional thing, though.
Then, I got a notice from the College Board annouuncing the big switch to
PASCAL.
On a tangential note, I recently noticed that everybody in my
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From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages
On a tangential note, I recently noticed that everybody in my work
subteam
is qualified with a C language
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I remember clearly how much of a big NONO our programming
teachers made with
GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code?
When they banned GOTO, I showed 'em! I changed all my code to just say
GO!
- jmh
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
I remember clearly how much of a big NONO our programming teachers
made with GOTO as well. Anybody remember the term spaghetti code?
The term takes on a whole new meaning in LabView wherein poor code
literally looks like spaghetti.
Doug
GSV State Machine
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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie So
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From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Especially
Basic that has all the control structures to allow full structured
programming and modern programming techniques. Which VB
certainly does.
Perhaps you should have said BASIC now has all the control
structures . .
D'oh! There was
At 01:45 4-3-2003 -0500, Han Tacoma wrote:
There's hardly a machine or acronym there that isn't familiar to me...
but I should note that I was 9 years old in 1965.
How'd you get to know all those numbers and acronyms?
I think that over the years he built up a database of all computer-related
Nick Arnett wrote back on Tue Mar 4 07:12:55 PST 2003
should note that I was 9 years old in 1965.
.
How'd you get to know all those numbers and acronyms?
I think my life was programmed for computers.
he, he happens to some.
When I was 10 or 11, I was part of a project by some
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk
...
I think that over the years he built up a database of all
computer-related
abbreviations, acronyms, brand names etcetera, and then wrote a
script that
picks them randomly and
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Han Tacoma
...
So the work done at MIT with LOGO -- Seymour Papert (Piaget), was
post your era?
*Much* later. That was in the late 70s.
BTW, I don't recall having seen any mention to LOGO during this
Han Tacoma wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:32:36 -0600 Reggie Bautista gives me a well
deserved lecture about the list's netiquette:
Usually on this list, if the post is going to be long we add L3, LLL, or
ELL
to the subject heading. L3 and LLL are Lazh-Like Length and ELL is
[...snip...]
I
George wrote:
In my first programming course, in BASIC, we had to simulate control
structures with the controlled use of IF ... GOTO.
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the time, and it had
two brand
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From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie So
undtrack?]
George wrote:
In my first programming course, in BASIC, we had to simulate
Nick Arnett wrote:
TBL is a very fine person. I miss talking regularly to him;
his ideas about the semantic web fascinate me. Somewhere on
a brin-l page is a lousy picture of us inside Paris city hall.
http://www.sloan3d.com/cgi-bin/memberpix.cgi?person=nickarnettpic=nick_tbl.jpg
:-)
Reggie Bautista wrote:
George wrote:
In my first programming course, in BASIC, we had to simulate control
structures with the controlled use of IF ... GOTO.
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the
On Tue, 4 Mar 2003, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Ahh, GOTO. I remember what a big deal it was when they installed a new
version of BASIC at the high school I was attending at the time, and it had
two brand new commands (new for us, anyway); GOSUB and RETURN. The
programming teachers
On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 03:20 pm, Nick Arnett wrote:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of William T Goodall
...
I think the 'basic' part of the name in VB and RB is more about
sounding unscary to non-CS graduates than about indicating
Han Tacoma wrote:
be forewarned, this may be considered long, or very long by some
Usually on this list, if the post is going to be long we add L3, LLL, or ELL
to the subject heading. L3 and LLL are Lazh-Like Length and ELL is
Eythain-Like Length, both in tribute to an old list member named
From: Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And speaking of languages, is it me, or is BASIC making a
comeback of sorts?
There's nothing wrong with Basic, just a bad choice of names. Especially
Basic that has all the control structures to allow full structured
programming and
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 11:24:59AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
boxes. Though I would have loved to have had the work, I couldn't honestly
come up with a strategy that made sense. Neither could anyone else,
apparently, so Sun steered it in the direction it has gone.
There's a platform - MHP, I
At 15:30 1-3-2003 -0500, Han Tacoma wrote:
Just joined the list and got caught up in this thread, nostalgia suddenly
waking up in me.
Hello to you too, and welcome on board! :-)
Care to tell us a bit more about you? You know, getting to know you and
stuff like that. :-)
In return, we will
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:44:39 -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
I've used VBA quite a bit, almost exclusively in Excel manipulating test
data. I now program quite a bit in LabView... I'm sure there are a few
opinions about that particular language if you are familiar with it.
Any volunteers? 8^)
I
On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:16:15 -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Anyone want to comment here on APL?
I would love to but don't I need a special keyboard? :)
Dean
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From: Reggie Bautista [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I stand corrected. Let me rephrase. When I first heard
about Java, it was
in an article that described it as a language where you could write a
program once and compile it anywhere, so as to help narrow
the software gap
between Windows
be forewarned, this may be considered long, or very long by some
_
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo on Sun Mar 2 00:30:26 PST 2003 wrote:
Welcome aboard. Have fun!! :)
Thanks for the welcome Jose, muchas gracias. Krajo que este
sitio
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Han Tacoma
...
Became a Systems Engineer, Sales Rep., Product Planner for SQL/DS,
worked with early natural language, knowledge based system products,
and then retired from IBM (in South America,
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 10:27:37PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
All I was saying is that some people are always going to criticize
whoever's at the top simply because they are on top.
Sure, but that assumes that Java's at the top, which I'm not convinced by.
Certainly it's only appeared in
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Paul Walker
...
Sure, but that assumes that Java's at the top, which I'm not convinced by.
Certainly it's only appeared in a couple of the job descriptions
I've looked
at recently; C, C++, and Python
I wrote:
Given the fact that Java was originally intended in part as a
tool to break
Micro$oft's dominance of the industry, the irony of that is just
staggering...
Nick replied:
Eh? Java was originally intended as a set-top box programming language --
a
way to distribute multimedia software
Hello,
I'll focus on Getting to know you.
Just joined the list and got caught up in this thread,
nostalgia suddenly waking up in me.
At 06:19 PM 2/28/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
Ronn!: wrote
Since this seems to have turned into post your resume:
Note really post your resume, but Getting to
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From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie
Soundtrack?]
Han Tacoma
~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~
I'll take natural
On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 04:22:33PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
I'll take natural stupidity over artificial intelligence any day.
Well, it depends on the contest, doesn't it? I'd take natural stupidity
on, say, interpreting what someone means in a given context, but I'd
take AI in a chess match,
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Reggie Bautista
...
I stand corrected. Let me rephrase. When I first heard about
Java, it was
in an article that described it as a language where you could write a
program once and compile it
From: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I'll focus on Getting to know you.
Just joined the list and got caught up in this thread,
nostalgia suddenly waking up in me.
Han:
Welcome aboard. Have fun!! :)
JJ
_
Protect your PC - get
Ronn!: wrote
Since this seems to have turned into post your resume:
Note really post your resume, but Getting to know you.
George A
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Anyone want to comment here on APL?
I was forced to take an APL course in college as part of NJIT's Statistics and
Actuarial Science program at the time. I can't say that I remember much about it; it
was an introductory course. I don't recall caring for it all that
At 02:32 PM 2/26/03 +, William T Goodall wrote:
I much prefer C to Pascal. Or Modula-2 or Ada or any of those other BD
languages.
BD?
Imagining Whips And Chains In The Computer Room Maru
-- Ronn! :)
Almighty Ruler of the all,
Whose Power extends to great and small,
Who guides the
At 02:32 PM 2/26/03 +, William T Goodall wrote:
Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons.
- Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
And the mouse will probably weigh no more than 80-100 pounds . . .
-- Ronn! :)
Almighty Ruler of the all,
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 08:10:57PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
BD?
Imagining Whips And Chains In The Computer Room Maru
Mm, kind of.
http://www.jargonfile.com/jargon/html/entry/bondage-and-discipline-language.html
--
Paul
I make movies that nobody will see. I've made movies that even I
At 07:50 AM 2/27/03 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
Java is also the most widely used programming language in the world. What
the heck is so evil about it?
For some, that is sufficient reason to consider it evil, just as M$ is
considered evil because of its industry dominance.
-- Ronn! :)
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 02:10 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:32 PM 2/26/03 +, William T Goodall wrote:
I much prefer C to Pascal. Or Modula-2 or Ada or any of those other
BD languages.
BD?
Imagining Whips And Chains In The Computer Room Maru
From The new Hackers Dictionary Ed
At 06:19 PM 2/28/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
Ronn!: wrote
Since this seems to have turned into post your resume:
Note really post your resume, but Getting to know you.
Okay, here's the smiley that should have been there:
;-)
-- Ronn! :)
Almighty Ruler of the all,
Whose Power extends to
At 02:50 AM 3/1/03 +, Paul Walker wrote:
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 08:10:57PM -0600, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
BD?
Imagining Whips And Chains In The Computer Room Maru
Mm, kind of.
http://www.jargonfile.com/jargon/html/entry/bondage-and-discipline-language.html
I have learned my new term for
At 08:31 PM 2/28/03 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
Anyone want to comment here on APL?
I was forced to take an APL course in college as part of NJIT's Statistics
and Actuarial Science program at the time. I can't say that I remember
much about it; it was an introductory
Nick wrote:
Java is also the most widely used programming language in the world. What
the heck is so evil about it?
Ronn! replied:
For some, that is sufficient reason to consider it evil, just as M$ is
considered evil because of its industry dominance.
Given the fact that Java was originally
At 10:19 PM 2/28/03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote:
Nick wrote:
Java is also the most widely used programming language in the world. What
the heck is so evil about it?
Ronn! replied:
For some, that is sufficient reason to consider it evil, just as M$ is
considered evil because of its industry
Nick wrote:
Java is also the most widely used programming language in the world.
What
the heck is so evil about it?
Ronn! replied:
For some, that is sufficient reason to consider it evil, just as M$ is
considered evil because of its industry dominance.
I responded:
Given the fact that Java was
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:31 PM 2/28/03 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote:
I was forced to take an APL course in college as part of NJIT's Statistics
and Actuarial Science program at the time. I can't say that I remember
much about it; it was an introductory course. I don't recall caring for
it
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie
Soundtrack?]
At 08:31 PM 2/28/03 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote:
Ronn
At 02:11 PM 3/1/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
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From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie
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At 08:31 PM 2
Somebody wrote:
Anyone want to comment here on APL?
Someone else replied:
Concise, is how I have heard it described.
And someone else said:
Indecipherable.
Ronn! responded:
But that's part of its appeal: to be able to write a working program which
on paper looks like what would result if a
The Fool said:
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
postgrad diploma there they taught us Modula-3 first, then ML, then C,
Java and Prolog.)
Get a
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool said:
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
postgrad diploma there they taught us Modula-3 first,
I learned BASIC, COBOL, then Pascal and FORTRAN simultaneously, then PL/I
and IBM 360 (yep, that long ago) Assembly Language. My favorite language is
still Pascal though I have never seen it used outside the educational
community. I have progammed over half a million lines of FORTRAN on a VAX
The Fool wrote:
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Get a grasp of C. Learn how pointers work. Learn it
again. Learn it again. Then learn C++. There are 36
key words in C. It's not that difficult.
I have to agree. When we see what the commercial
competitors of
On 27 Feb 2003 at 3:37, The Fool wrote:
From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Fool said:
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Richard Baker
...
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory language. What do you think of that? (When I did my
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 07:50:43AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote:
And why isn't anyone singing the praises of Python in this thread?!
I did! Kind of.
to be finished quickly. Java makes sense for enterprise projects that need
to be deployed widely.
And isn't too speed critical :)
C and C++
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Richard Baker
...
Java is the spawn of satan, the ultimate evil.
Cambridge University's Computer Laboratory now teach Java as their
introductory
G. D. Akin wrote:
I learned BASIC, COBOL, then Pascal and FORTRAN simultaneously, then PL/I
and IBM 360 (yep, that long ago) Assembly Language. My favorite language is
still Pascal though I have never seen it used outside the educational
community. I have progammed over half a million lines of
At 05:24 PM 2/26/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite
SciFi/FantasyMovieSoundtrack?]
David wrote (that's David H., I
At 01:06 PM 2/26/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Computer Languages [was: Your Favorite SciFi/Fantasy Movie
Soundtrack?]
On Wed, Feb 26
At 08:01 PM 2/27/03 +0900, you wrote:
I learned BASIC, COBOL, then Pascal and FORTRAN simultaneously, then PL/I
and IBM 360 (yep, that long ago) Assembly Language. My favorite language is
still Pascal though I have never seen it used outside the educational
community.
I once worked for a
Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
If I have to choose between coding COBOL and coding RPG,
I would much rather go for COBOL.
What is RPG? I know two things that use this AFT, but
none of them are computer languages.
RPG is/was a programming language that grew out
of
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
to understand what the code is doing. Properly formatted,
languages with _less_ symbols are more clear. I like,
for example, to compare C with Pascal.
Sure, I'd agree with that one. But then if you take, say, C and Python... even if
people don't know the language
Paul said:
Sure, I'd agree with that one. But then if you take, say, C and
Python... even if people don't know the language as such, anyone
reading a Python program stands a very good chance of understanding
what the code is doing.
I think the primary determinant of code readability isn't
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is RPG? I know two things that use this AFT, but
none of them are computer languages.
RPG stands for Report Program Generator.
When I began my Computer Sciences courses in the mid-late 80's, the order in
which languages were taught was:
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming language that uses instructions
that resemble natural language.
This is your feeling, but not mine. I think a computer
language that adds unnecessary symbols make it harder
to
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:14 am, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming language that uses instructions
that resemble natural language.
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn
COBOL. I'd never used
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:32:34 +
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn COBOL.
I'd never used COBOL, and when I saw it I found it close to
incomprehensible.
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but
On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 03:19 pm, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, no, no, that has to be Prolog...
No,
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but easy to understand. It followed what
was going on in the CPU in a straightforward manner, little abstraction.
True, Assembler is a very powerful tool. To
Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest language I
have learned. Tedious to use, but easy to understand. It followed what
was going on in the CPU in a straightforward manner, little abstraction.
True,
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:39:43PM +, Richard Baker wrote:
I think the primary determinant of code readability isn't the language
but the choice of variable and function names. I think that with a wise
While you're right, some languages tend to encourage clean code more than
others. C and
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 01:06:39PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Out of curiosity, have you ever tried to debug someone else's massive
assembly code?
No. I think we are considering different things. I agree that would be difficult
in assembly unless the original programmer did an extremely good job
Paul said:
While you're right, some languages tend to encourage clean code more
than others. C and Perl can both be incredibly terse, for example, and
there's a tendency for advanced users to write code which can't be
understood by anybody - including themselves six months later.
That's
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 02:51:48PM +, Jose J. Ortiz-Carlo wrote:
You have to agree, though, that the *mother* of all incomprehensible
programming languages has to be Assembly language.
No, I disagree, seriously. Assembly language was the easiest
At 07:49 AM 2/26/2003 -0500, you wrote:
I feel I can exercise a lot more control with a
computer programming language that uses instructions
that resemble natural language.
This is your feeling, but not mine. I think a computer
language that adds unnecessary symbols make it harder
to
At 02:51 PM 2/26/2003 +, you wrote:
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:32:34 +
When my wife was doing a two-year computing course she had to learn
COBOL. I'd never used COBOL, and when I saw it I found it close to
incomprehensible.
You have to agree,
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