t;>
>> 1. Re: Hand Turns & Safety (Richard Fischer)
>> 2. Re: Hand Turns & Safety (Rich Sbardella)
>> 3. Re: Hand Turns & Safety (Don Veino)
>> 4. Re: Hand Turns & Safety (Rich Sbardella)
>> 5. Re: Hand Turns & Safety (Erik Hoffman)
>>
I think thumb pressure, even finger “pressure” has to be avoided and it’s
avoidance taught thoroughly no matter the hold. I once had nerve pain for
weeks after a cupped elbow hold in which that nerve going into the front inside
of the elbow was deeply squashed by a zealously gripping digit, I
Hi all,
I think that particular video is a poor example of what forearm turns can be.
I can’t deny the potential for sweat, but, confession, my hands sweat like
crazy anyway, and I seem to collect plenty of other people’s sweat in swings
and courtesy turns, as it is.
I disagree about weight.
Hi all,
I’m going to add a controversial note. I also loathe the many poor allemandes
I get, unweighted, awkward handed, arm pulled in like a chicken wing, what have
you. As a MWSD, I have come to love the forearm allemande for arm turns.
Callerlab made the switch some years ago, and at
Hi everyone,
Here we are once more, sharing our likes and dislikes, our preferred term
(I’ve shared and still like whimsy, but look-see got my attention) of the
moment. But why are we circling this wagon again? Though everyone is polite,
and thankfully we haven’t begun to rehash whether
Hi Maia,
A balance, ideally, is first toward, then away from, the dancer with whom one
is about to interact, and even better if it is in, then against, the flow of
movement. Even better if the choreography does the work for you by flowing
into the balance.
In this particular dance, you have
I'm sure every caller has been there, just as every dancer was once new and
stumbling, and no matter how long we've been doing it, every one of us will
make mistakes. You will take stock, and try to note patterns and correct them.
But striving for perfect is never going to result in being
Luke,
The age range you describe actually has extremely variable abilities. A three
year old is just learning to control their body, likely cannot yet skip, or
leap from one foot among the many as yet unlearned skills. A five year old is
much more in control of both their body, and their
Hey all,
Can someone point me to the thread I imagine already exists with dances for
Labor Day? Or, if you have written or know of some good ones, please let me
know? Anything about work, workers, labor, and the like.
The one I have that came to mind was Labor of Love, by, I think, Kathy
g up
> of a spring that you then unleash in the other direction. Some dances that
> look as if they have good flow end up having so much clockwise spin that it
> tires people.
>
> On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers
> <callers@lists.sharedweight.n
spin that it
> tires people.
>
>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers
>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Esther,
>>If anyone has not mentioned it, I feel there is a kink in the flow trying
>> to go
Hi Esther,
If anyone has not mentioned it, I feel there is a kink in the flow trying to
go from a petronella to a chain. As you spin R, it is the left hand which
feels available as you face the set because your body has been rotating
clockwise, even as it move CCW around the minor set. So
of the
> dances who don't come because of the terms.
>
> I call at both genderfree and traditional dances. Seriously, I do not
> understand this pushback we are getting for discussion of role terms for
> *genderfree* dances. This isn't some existential threat to non-genderfree
Really Angela? Huge numbers are offended by "gents/ladies"? I'll happily call
with whatever the community uses, though I may avoid a community using
lead/follow as I think it perniciously encourages passivity in half the
dancers, which I object to. And I was vocal in earlier discussions
John,
Somewhere south of Asheville and leading west possibly into the lower Midwest,
is the land of hands across stars. They are standard in Atlanta, the heart of
hands-across-land.
Andrea
Sent from my external brain
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Dave Casserly via Callers
>
Sent from my external brain
> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Rich Sbardella via Callers
> wrote:
>
> While we are at this, here is another untitled dance. I am not sure where I
> collected it.
>
> Can anyone name it?
>
> a1 N B
> a2 LL, Ladies Alle R 1 1/2
Hi Tavi et al,
I have to challenge you on your history. As a lover of chestnuts, in
which the vast majority of courtesy turns are same gender as the dances are
proper, and a one time historical dancer, I find your conception of the history
of courtesy turn flawed. In the 18th and 19th
gt; wrote:
>
> Luke,
>
> Andrea Nettleton (cc'ed here) also has a dance with a dolphin hey!
>
> Lindsey
>
>
Why not post for all?
Andrea
Sent from my external brain
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Lindsey Dono via Callers
> wrote:
>
> Thanks!
>
> Any chance you could send Dancing Frog, Chain the Swain, and Digital Divide
> (I have this one in a notebook
Gene Hubert's Fan In The Doorway
-Andrea
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Here's one of mine that has made the rounds in the south and PNW with success:
A Proper Cuppa Tea
Proper
Note: you will have a shadow. Consider them temporary. As a function of the
dance, you will get a new shadow when you get out at the end.
A1 •In a Ring Bal, Spin R, to a wave
(After
he moment but,
> to be fair, I was just skimming on a work night when it flew by.
>
>
>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers
>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> What I feel
>> Is missing from these expressions is two
What I feel
Is missing from these expressions is twofold. One is memorability. We
remember things better to which we attach emotions of some kind. A name people
giggle or oo ah about is going to stick and be pleasurable each time they hear
it. I love the name Mad Robin, as an example of a
ome raths" as in:
> All mimsy were the borogoves,
> And the mome raths outgrabe.
>
> Raths and toves?
>
> David
>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers
>> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> I love this! A
I love this! And it has a playful kind of sound, despite its technical origin.
:-) reminds me of jabberwocky somehow...
Andrea
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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers
> wrote:
>
> I've been thinking
I've been reading all the historical origins discussion. It's seems to me we
are far from concluding that the term 'gypsy' is associated with Romani people.
We have that Cecil Sharp probably heard Morris Dancers using whole and half
gip, and appropriated the movement and term for broader use
I don't like the idea that a term we use might be offensive to someone. I
think part of its tenacity is that it can be used for a whole family of similar
eye locking moves. The term walk around will not serve in what is now called a
gypsy star, or in a traveling gypsy, gypsy chase, or gypsy
Yes. In a Down the Hall, far left gent turn alone, center gent do a right hand
high left hand low to switch the ladies and turn to face up. For example. You
have to say who, either by place alone (left end person), or by place and role,
or place and facing direction (in a wave, the person at
Meh. I meant gents pass Left in the center.
Andrea
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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers
> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hmm. Perry, I wasn't thinking the loop R was part of the hey at all, n
eems to be a way to avoid calling it part of
> the hey, and since it's the start of a new phrase, I can see why one would
> want to differentiate it from the hey.
>
> Perry
>
> From: Andrea Nettleton via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
> To: Ron Blechner <contr
Well that was weird! Not sure why my last email came through empty. Trying
again.
Ron et al,
In general I really like this dance. That loop right will snag people at least
a few times through though, in that it will make them want to gypsy L with the
next, continuing the weave, when they
Richard,
My bad. That was suggested (by Luke D?), as a triplet-esque solution, whereby
smaller sets, run shorter, limited the potential for problems.
If the problem is dancers who are new, or easily confused, short sets can
increase the confusion as you get turned around that much faster, with
>
> Maia,
> Did we give you what you needed? If so, could you let us know and put a stop
> to the thread? Callers are now more busy calling one another out for getting
> off topic or being inappropriate than generating new answers.
> Summary of suggestions, as best I remember:
> 1) don't
Talc is a mineral, in character like asbestos. Not only is it a hazard for
anyone with breathing problems, it's a problem for everyone. Please, do not
talc the floor!
Andrea
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> On Jul 20, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers
>
ho are
> standing in first corners at the time of the call? If so that's why this
> isn't a substitution of role names.
>
> Is this what you mean?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 2, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers
> <callers@lists.sharedweight.net>
the callers. J
>
> Thanx,
> Ric Goldman
>
> From: Callers [mailto:callers-boun...@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of
> Perry Shafran via Callers
> Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 7:42 AM
> To: Andrea Nettleton
> Cc: call...@sharedweight.net
> Subject: Re: [Callers]
made up names. As a matter of
>> fact I'm more likely to remember my corner designation than whether I am a
>> lark or a raven.
>>
>> Perry
>>
>> From: Ron Blechner <contra...@gmail.com>
>> To: Perry Shafran <ps...@yahoo.com>
>>
t;> 5. Indication of who crosses, who turns in a box circulate?
>>
>> 6. Indication any other role/position specific move that I haven't
>> mentioned? Turn over right shoulder, as in Fairport Harbour? Rollaways?
>>
>> None of these fall under the "most unusua
wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> With regard to Ron's questions
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Would be easily covered by 1st or 2nd corners walk forward to a wave
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2. Again can be done wi
>> 1. Lines of one role/position to the center to a wavy line, as in Trip to
> >>> Lambertville, et all?
> >>>
> >>> 2. Indication of who walks forward / backs up in a gypsy star?
> >>>
> >>> 3. Indication of who-leads-who, such as
In previous discussions here, on FB, and privately with organizers at Hampshire
over the last two years, I have discussed the possible use of global
terminology for gender free contra. I would contend that if used, everyone
would become more aware of the structure of dances. Only the most
The timing of the cross trail here is not dissimilar to that in Joel's in the
Kitchen by Sue Rosen, (to give an example of a x trail where you pass across,
pass up and down to the next) where you Bal, X trail, (8), then Sw a new N (8).
Because it's a Sw, there is some fudging. If one is late,
If I were dancing it, during the last pushes I would switch to crossed hands,
then as the ladies finally go back alone, slide out keeping the right hand. I
might have to tread in place for a beat or two, but better that than gap and
have to struggle to find a hand. You could simply alter the
My daughter gives great weight and definitely prefers a regular swing. She
feels out of control and in danger in a two hand swing. It flings her closer
to the other dancers who are much bigger and heavier than she is, even now at
age eleven, and if it gets too fast, threatens to sweep her off
I always have a programs worth it very easy dances in a bundle. If I must, I
will use those. But... As you get more experienced, your ability to teach new
dancers so they can handle at least your back up program will increase. You
will help yourself by thinking of best ways to teach each
I tried one this morning to send an amendment to my post but it got rerouted to
the moderator. Dean called to remind my that his dance ends in a gypsy
meltdown. I had changed my card, but wasn't looking at it when I sent to Deb,
and later the group.
Our House - the B2 is a gypsy meltdown.
PM, Andrea Nettleton <twirly-g...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
> I was talking to dean the other day and mentioned that more than one
> person had request edit his excellent dance, and asked whether it was ok to
> share it with everyone. So here is Our
Hey everyone,
I was talking to dean the other day and mentioned that more than one
person had request edit his excellent dance, and asked whether it was ok to
share it with everyone. So here is Our House, by Dean Snipes. Deb, I know I
wrote that the star is 3/4, but it really is 1x.
Deb, sent privately. I didn't want to publicly share without Dean's
permission, but it is a great dance.
Andrea
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> On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Deb Comly wrote:
>
> Could someone share the dance "Our House" with me?
> Thanks!
> Deb
>
There is also an Irish set dance called the Caledonian, which, being a four
couple set might have morphed in Canada into some kind of barn dance.
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> On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:28 AM, wrote:
>
> There's definitely something called the
Just wanted to make sure you got the name right on one of Bev's suggestions.
The very excellent Dean Snipes dance is called George is Rettie Willing and
Able. Named for NC dancer George Rettie, famed for being ready, willing and
able to twirl or especially dip at a microseconds notice. Lots
I don't think a cross trail is an X, but I would say that there is still a
difference in foot path between a cross trail and a star through to pass
through and that is that unless explicitly told not to, dancers will do a pass
thru with the right shoulder, whereas a cross trail, as danced in
Rather than limit which dances get on the database and how, why not allow
reviews of said dances. If it had a clunky moment for one dancer, tends to get
saw toothed, or has other issues, it might get fewer stars and an explanation.
Choreographers could choose to pull or amend a dance so
As a matter of nomenclature, it's a box circulate, the box being the hands
four. Wave circulate could mean for the wave to circle, but in any case the
precedent is to call it a box circulate.
Zig zags take way less time than you think, so you could get your dance going
CW by circling once and
And what are you naming it?
-Andrea
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> On Oct 27, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Tom Hinds wrote:
>
>
> For the dance I just sent, the B2 should be women pass left shoulders and
> swing partner.
>
>
>
Thank you, Chris, for saying what was on my mind, and in a gracious way. My
memory has been ravaged by decades of severe migraines. I've time, I have
managed to remember or be able to reconstruct a few dances, but thirty?
Probably not. I also have since childhood, been afflicted with a
One solution might be to have one of the rollaways be part of a forward and
back, perhaps the second one. I don't have the dance in front of me to know
whether the rest of the dance would still time out, but putting more spin in
might be a bit too much, and might paradoxically make people
>> (And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
>> them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
>> }
>> {
>> and what happens half the time is more like this
>> Z
>>
>> I find them pretty fr
I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star promenade was
called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples, only two other
ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All the gents and we
three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it. And no, it
Ihace heard enough commentary about being on the wrong side, wondering about
number, and progressing the wrong direction, all wrongs in quotes, that I think
many dancers are aware of who is who and what is 'normal' , even in becket
dance.
Andrea
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> On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:01
Blackbird Pie by Joseph Pimentel also has a See Saw, and the move is called
frequently enough around here, but for the sake of new dancers, it is always
taught: "Now Left shoulder Dos a Dos, that's called a See Saw!" In MWSD it
amounts to a gypsy, but then so does a dosados which is also
I missed the posts regarding this list of dances, therefore did not request it.
I'd like the list if possible. Wondering why you chose to send it by request
only instead of putting it on the list, where presumably only the interested
parties old bother downloading it.
Andrea
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I just finished calling at Gennetines, a huge international folk festival,
largely attended by French folks, but with a strong group of folks from other
places. What worked the best was a hybrid. Moves could be called their
English name, but directions and hand choices needed to be in both or
Friends in Atlanta who went to Sweden did experience to uphill in wooden shoes
tradition, though they said modern hard leather soles were also worn.
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On Jul 10, 2013, at 3:45 AM, Paul Wilde wrote:
> Oh boy, there will be some disagreement on this one,
Thanks, John!
Comprehensive list! I won't be in Oxford this weekend, but on a canal
boat and in Coventry Saturday. I wish my geography skills for the UK were
better, but at least if I put time in, I can get all the information I need.
Cheers!
Andrea
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On Jul 3, 2013, at
Due to technical difficulties, I cannot access the information some of my UK
friends sent me about dancing in the UK, where I am spending the summer
(Oxford). I am going into dance withdrawal and need a fix ASAP. Can any of
you help me? I dance MWSD up to Advanced, contras, trad squares,
Thank you for taking up this position, Jeff. Because there is also a
discussion of swing going on on FB, I decided to verify my thoughts with my ten
year old daughter, an excellent dancer who dances both roles with equal ease.
She barely comes up to my chin. First I danced the gent position
One addendum:
I'd like to say a word about where the twirl should happen. At least when the
twirler is not experienced, it will help the positioning at the end if by beat
six, twirler. And twirler begin to separate approximately where they intend to
end so the twirler only has to focus on
I'm in Oxford with a group of GA Tech undergrads and the Prof who is teaching a
Jane Austen class has requested that I teach them a bunch of ECD from that era,
things that would really have been danced then. I don't have with me the
resources I had available in the states. I need a selection
But Mad Robin is a nickname for a Puck-like character, in literature. Also
known as Robin Goodfellow, a player of harmless pranks, random doer of little
good deeds, a bit mischievous and secretive, given to pinching a sleeping queen
of a night. I think perhaps the author of the ECD thought
I think the thing that makes twirls feel better/easier for those who tolerate
rotation well, is the the straight one has at least two changes of direction,
and not even easy changes such as a straight reverse. Done at present fast
contra speeds, they can be jarring to the knees. Twirls
How does the dance go?
Andrea
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On May 18, 2013, at 3:45 PM, P E wrote:
> To the forum: Here is a formation I used only once, I don't know if it has a
> name... anyone familiar with it???
>
> Triplet- From proper line up: First
For those who complain that in a same sex swing they are unsure who will play
the (lord I hate these terms for contra) lead and who the follow, it is dead
easy for the caller to control that. Just designate say the number one same
gender role person as the "lead" and the two as follow. You
Leads? This has so many assumptions buried in it, I find it worrisome. First,
that implies that anyone leads. And that only those who dance one role will be
asking. Did you perhaps mistype? Did you mean that George encourages those
who ask to accept that they will sometimes be declined?
Share them with us all, Barb!
Andrea
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On Jan 18, 2013, at 11:18 AM, barb kirchner wrote:
>
> perry, the dance you're thinking of is called "contra corners cannon" or
> something similar. indeed - a very fun dance! i have the figures around
>
Sometimes a dance weekend comes along just in time. So I am at Chattaboogie in
TN, and thought very hard about what was going on between me and all the people
I danced with, and I think I finally understand why, in my mind, lead/follow
are actively bad terms to use in contra, and why when we
I'd like to point out that all twirls, whether entry or exit, are flourishes,
added to the basic dance. The basic dance has a symmetrical pull into the
swing position. As danced, and taught by most callers, on this side of the
pond, both partners have a hand on the other's back, so it is as
I was going to chime I about historical precedent, but that has partly been
done. I don't think a swing is ended by just one dancer. It is a mutually
decided thing, and from the right side I can time the end, stop, or alter a
flourish so it puts me in the right place, control the speed of the
Maia,
I think you have to see contra from the point of view of someone who is not
so talented and versatile as yourself. What attracts them to contra is that
the caller leads the dance, and if they do what they're told, they can be
successful at the dance, so they can relax and enjoy the
I think we have to simply admit that the folk process has done its work in this
case. For years I have danced contras with yearns which went only one couple.
So pervasive was it that when I wrote a dance with a variation on the move, I
called it 'yearn to a gypsy'. Note, I dance in the SE
I call Balance, and Spin to the right. A spin is executed with no hands held.
In Contra, we have a number of moves and flourishes in which twirl means
connected by hands and either swapping places or turning one person with the
joined hand. So I think it avoids confusion to say spin when we
gt; Minor point: There are no balances in Sarah's Journey. Neither box the gnat
> starts with a balance. It's a smooth dance rather than bouncy.
>
> -Joy
>
> On Nov 14, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
>
>> There are several dances which begin with a RH bal,
There are several dances which begin with a RH bal, BTG, then M pull by (as in
G. Hubert's Sarah's Journey) or Allenande L 1 1/2 as in J. Hutson's Treasure of
Sierra Madre), and I have not noted an urge to orbit. All the spring just gets
loaded into the gents' inward motion. So I am sure a
I like to think of it as meaning the dancers are happy, because they are
chatting instead of fussing. I say hands four, as you line up, consult the
band re tunes, say it again. If they still appear disorganized, I'll pick a
random move like N Allemande L , or Cir L all the way. They think
It works great as long as everyone spins the appropriate way. If you have new
dancers in the crowd, it is worth teaching that when spinning R, one points
one's chin to the R and follows it around. I have seen even dancers who have
danced for awhile spin them selves the other way. When
I like the pull out to be from a star R, as the tug then gives you the correct
clockwise rotation to swing.
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On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Sue Robishaw wrote:
> Hi,
>In trying to organize my dances I have "Melanie's Triplet" and "Star
> Crazy" (with
Meg,
Since you already know of these families, maybe you could organize and
have a sleep over for all the kids or agree to all come and throw bedding down
for the kids to sleep on at the dance. That way even if a parent always needs
to be there, you only each have to sit out one or
In ATL, the kids hang out in the hallway adjacent to the hall. Only we adults
care whether the space is actually a room. For the kids, it will be a
spaceship or house or zoo, no matter what it looks like to us. Corralling the
younger set might be accomplished with a row of chairs or
I didn't note when this spot aired, but am glad contra has gotten some national
attention. Atlanta, where I dance and call, has definitely seen a surge of
youth in recent years, not due to the media coverage.
I wanted to say a quick word about Jonathan's mention that young parents often
I started calling contras well before squares, and aside from MWSD, dance
approximately 11 times more contras per year than squares. If I am calling to
new dancers, it doesn't seem
Like I will serve them well by calling a form I am less familiar with myself.
The trap is, that with no squares
One method of having one list, but keeping the new dance discussions sorted is
the old OT trick, but instead of OT we would use ND (New Dance), or some other
designator, as a preface to the name of the dance under discussion. That being
the subject of the email, anyone not interested could
Well said Tavi!
Andrea
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On Mar 17, 2012, at 1:43 PM, tavi merrill wrote:
> To pick up on John's point from this side of the pond, there are plenty of
> duple improper dances that end with a partner swing for the active couples.
>
> There are
I don't know if seasoned dancers who engage in a bad habit are able to hear
that they are in error. In a new dancer workshop, I show and tell that the two
dancers in an allemande are like two panes in a revolving door and their joined
hands are like the post they turn around. Their arms
I don't know what you are doing for music, but our whole family loves Sasha.
We also like un deux trois poussez. I suspect you are familiar with both
already. I discovered at one school program that smaller set things worked
better than big circles for kids. I called flying scot to hoots
I love mixers as a dancer and caller, but just had an instance of how they can
go wrong. There was a very large crowd with a huge group of new dancers.
People had already begun to line up for a contra, with, as often happens, a
bunch of experienced couples at the top of the hall. When we
Felton on Sunday the 1st is right there in the south Bay area.
Perpetual e Motion!! Should be a treat.
Andrea
On 2/29/2012 12:17 AM, Bill Baritompa wrote:
Hi California Bay Area Callers,
My wife Liz and I are coming to San Francisco from 16 March
till 3 April.
We're looking forward
I wondered about the timing in the B2. For those who have called it, are those
final allemandes too short, or do they time out OK? I'm planning to call The
dance this weekend and would value anything useful gleaned about teaching or
calling it.
Andrea
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On Jan 25, 2012, at
Hey all,
In the case of a hall with many same gendered couples, I am not sure how the
shadow helps the person playing the opposite gender role, if they even can be
said to need the opposite gender interaction. Let us assume a couple made up
of two women. A shadow, by definition, is a partner
I am interested in this, though I expect to be more of a gawker for the
time being. Keep me in the loop.
Andrea
On 9/15/2011 1:44 PM, Andy Shore wrote:
I've been wondering if there would be enough interest (and traffic) to form an email list
for contra dance website webmasters and other
I think I mentioned before that it was pointed out to me, by a respected senior
caller, that the two hand, and especially crossed hand, way of teaching the
sensation of counterweight in swing gave new dancers the wrong impression that
the way to accomplish it was to tilt their upper back out.
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