Re: [Callers] suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances

For Erik Weberg's explanation of the timing of the hey in Joyride as he originally intended it and still prefers it, see his comments at http://www.kluberg.com/eriksdances.html#Joyride Erik writes: ... I've recently been teaching this dance the way I initially intended it; with the

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:51:26 -0500, Dale Wilson wrote: > I'm getting to this discussion a bit late (been busy!) but I didn't > see anyone mention The Joy of Six. My candidate for 1) the best > flirty dance, and 2) the best title. In fact it's such a good title that Rick Mohr has also used it!

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I'm getting to this discussion a bit late (been busy!) but I didn't see anyone mention The Joy of Six. My candidate for 1) the best flirty dance, and 2) the best title. It was written for three couples who were getting married on the same day: The Joy of Six; Duple improper contra; Myra

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I completely don't get this. As I call it, the point of the dance is that the half poussette mushes into the hey; you get about three bars of half poussette and then you merge the two poussetting couples into the hey with the women (who are going forward already) passing left shoulders on bar

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Thanks, Dave. I meant, do it with the partner, on the side, and then start the hey with partners passing right shoulders before the gents pass left in the middle" though, rather than partners pass rt shoulder, it sort of feels like the women propel the men into their hey right out of the two-hand

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I've called that several times. Agree it's a swell dance. (Danced to Erik's band Joyride this weekend; Susan Petrick called a dance (which might have been announced as Cupid;s Hey, although it had some clear differences from the instructions I had) and pointed out that it used a figure from

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The two-hand turn can be counterclockwise, between the two gents. Or it can be done with the partner, on the side, and then start the hey with partners passing right shoulders before the gents pass left in the middle. The reason for this change is that the timing in the dance is not square

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On Apr 22, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Lindsay Morris wrote: Joyride is a great dance! Consider adding a two-hand turn during the poussette, to send the men into their hey. Lindsay, I don't think I understand your suggestion. This video of Joyride shows the transition from pousette to hey as I've

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Joyride is a great dance! Consider adding a two-hand turn during the poussette, to send the men into their hey. Lindsay Morris CEO, TSMworks Tel. 1-859-539-9900 lind...@tsmworks.com On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:48 PM, jill allen wrote: > Last weekend, I

[Callers] suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances

Last weekend, I called Joyride by Erik Weberg. It was very smooth, flirty, interesting, and what I especially liked about it was that the beginners had no trouble with it! You can find it on Erik's website. Jill

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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013, Read Weaver wrote: > > I quite disagree, and this brings back the who-does-what > question. Dance the role, not the genitals. It's a different issue > from a 2-gents-swing or 2-ladies-swing dance, where a symmetrical hold > may indeed make sense. But I expect to dance the

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I quite disagree, and this brings back the who-does-what question. Dance the role, not the genitals. It's a different issue from a 2-gents-swing or 2-ladies-swing dance, where a symmetrical hold may indeed make sense. But I expect to dance the role I'm dancing, whatever the apparent sex of the

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On 4/18/2013 5:17 PM, Alan Winston wrote: This sounds like something that deserves a few words at the beginners' session. "Some folks like to switch roles as they're dancing, so you may find yourself swinging another man, or another woman. No big deal. Here's a symmetrical hold you can use

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On 4/18/2013 2:20 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: One thing that contributes to confusion in a same-gender-role swing ... And I'm coming late to this discussion and just getting caught up, so I apologize if somebody else has already made this same point. Kalia Ah, yes, I now see that that point

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On 4/18/2013 4:13 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote: On 4/11/2013 5:18 AM, Richard Mckeever wrote: I think we are making a bigger deal out of this than needs to be. You go to any other type of dancing and you will have some difficulty finding 2 men dancing together. It is not the social norm and so it

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On 4/11/2013 5:18 AM, Richard Mckeever wrote: I think we are making a bigger deal out of this than needs to be. You go to any other type of dancing and you will have some difficulty finding 2 men dancing together. It is not the social norm and so it makes people uncomfortable. It has

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On 4/10/2013 7:25 AM, John Sweeney wrote: When I do I often find that other men appear to be uncomfortable with a close-hold swing. I normally now go for a Galway Swing when I meet another man for a swing: Start with an Allemande Right hold, hook your left fingers around the other man's right

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On 4/3/2013 3:18 AM, I wrote: I'm supposed to do an hour of flirty contra dances at Queer Contra Dance Camp next weekend. Of course they all are, to some degree, but I wonder what comes to mind for you when you think of a flirtatious contra. (And what would be the characteristics of a flirty

Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? (reverted from Re: homophobia (and a flirty dance, yada yada))

On Apr 11, 2013, at 2:19 PM, tavi merrill wrote: p.s.#2 a great flirty dance nobody has mentioned: "Gypsy Star" by Adam Carlson. becket formation: A1. CL 3/4, PT and swing the next. A2 LLF, Ladies' chn. 1. Ladies R shoulder gypsy; gents enter in front of partner and all four gypsy; ladies

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Homophobia should not be an issue callers have to address directly. For the record, I should state that for me, personally, homophobia has NEVER been an issue. In fact, many of my closest friends are homophobic. (smile) - Greg McKenzie On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:40 AM, Dave

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Richard Hopkins wrote: > In older contra dances, danced duple or triple proper, same-sex > right-and-left-through moves are common -- that is, a R and L through > started from a position where two men are facing two women. Through the >

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In older contra dances, danced duple or triple proper, same-sex right-and-left-through moves are common -- that is, a R and L through started from a position where two men are facing two women. Through the folk process, we have largely abandoned that practice, and either don't call those

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013, Richard Mckeever wrote: > > I will admit - I prefer opposite gender swings - Am I homophobic and > just don't know it? Well, I *overall* prefer opposite gender swings and other kinds of physical interactions, has something to do with being heterosexual, I think. ;-) That's

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I was just at a calling practice last night and someone called a dance with a gents swing. There was a pretty good consensus that it was awkward and a bit stressful (sound familiar?). Those who were for it used terms like "we can watch them squirm" which I disagree with. Half the couples had

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Jeff said: I'm confused: where did "hate crimes" come into this? As far as I can tell the disagreement is over: 1. Do many male dancers prefer not to interact in semi-intimate ways? 2. Is that mainly because of homophobia? 3. If so, should the caller ignore this dancer preference when

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For those who complain that in a same sex swing they are unsure who will play the (lord I hate these terms for contra) lead and who the follow, it is dead easy for the caller to control that. Just designate say the number one same gender role person as the "lead" and the two as follow. You

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:11 AM, John Sweeney wrote: > it seems very silly to me to accuse someone of a hate crime just > because, regardless of how they feel about homosexuality, they > are uncomfortable with close-hold same-sex swings. > I'm confused: where did "hate

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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013, John Sweeney wrote: > > Anyway, back to reality: I am sorry, Dave, but it seems very silly to me > to accuse someone of a hate crime just because, regardless of how they > feel about homosexuality, they are uncomfortable with close-hold > same-sex swings. Words change their

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Donald Perley wrote: > While you're at it you can make them eat Brussels sprouts and bring a white > board so you can give a calculus lesson. Both good things that everyone > should be into. > "Social Engineering" has gotten a bad rep

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Janet Bertog wrote: > > One of the problems with same-gender swings in the ballroom position is the > awkward moment of who does what role. Especially when this is being done > with someone who was not selected as a partner, this can be awkward and make > people

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an't find them on the web. Bree Kalb Carrboro, NC -Original Message- From: Alan Winston Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:18 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? I'm supposed to do an hour of flirty contra dances at Queer Con

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What I've tried once is, instead of "you figure it out," ask dancers to put a hand, any hand, on the other person's shoulder blade. This might require a short demonstration, but the idea is this: once you've got the connection with two dancers, each with one hand on the other's shoulder blade,

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: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? Bree -- Have "Old Bob's". Found a youtube of Travels but if you have it written down I'd just as soon not have to transcribe it. Couldn't find Hi Voltage Gypsy. Would like to take you up on your offer to provide those tw

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"What works well is if the more experienced dancer takes the less familiar position. Just position your hands to indicate that you're ok taking the less customary role, and if the other person is faster to do so, go with that instead." Jeff I'd like to look at this issue as a caller, rather

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Bree Kalb Carrboro, NC -Original Message- From: Alan Winston Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:18 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? I'm supposed to do an hour of flirty contra dances at Queer Contra Dance Camp next weekend.

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Aaron Redfern wrote: > Comfort aside, the nice thing about a symmetrical swing like the Galway for > same-gender-role swinging is that you don't have to worry about who takes > which position. If you spend four counts of an eight-count

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On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:30:58 -0400, Dave Casserly wrote: > I'm not really sure what you're trying to say with your analogy > here. Do you mean that people in England are actually more > homophobic, and that people in America should accept that because, > well, we wouldn't want English people

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On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 13:33:09 -0400, Dave Casserly wrote: > If men in the UK are so uncomfortable touching another man that > they don't want to swing (which is, in its essence, simply placing > one hand on the man's back and one on a hand, not exactly an > intimate embrace), that is unacceptably

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Brussels sprouts and calculus are good things that everyone should be into that have nothing at all to do with contra dancing. Unlike swinging and other moves and, yes, touching people of the same gender, which is an integral part of the dance. I'm not going to shy away from moves simply because

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And while you're at it, you might disallow the eating of Brussels sprouts altogether, since some people dislike the taste. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Donald Perley wrote: > While you're at it you can make them eat Brussels sprouts and bring a white > board so you can

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While you're at it you can make them eat Brussels sprouts and bring a white board so you can give a calculus lesson. Both good things that everyone should be into. On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Dave Casserly wrote: > If men in the UK are so uncomfortable touching

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Comfort aside, the nice thing about a symmetrical swing like the Galway for same-gender-role swinging is that you don't have to worry about who takes which position. If you spend four counts of an eight-count swing fumbling over whose hand goes where, it rather detracts from the dance. Women

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Casserly Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:33 PM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? If men in the UK are so uncomfortable touching another man that they don't want to swing (which is, in its essence, simply placing one hand

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If men in the UK are so uncomfortable touching another man that they don't want to swing (which is, in its essence, simply placing one hand on the man's back and one on a hand, not exactly an intimate embrace), that is unacceptably homophobic. I know there are some on this list who don't agree

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There have been suggestions that same-gender interaction can be stressful. In my experience this is especially true with men in the UK. Someone said "My impression is that most urban contra environments have at least a few people who swap genders". This may be true in the USA, and lots of

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aredweight.net [mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 10:29 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Rickey Holt wrote: Aahz Maruch: On Wed, Apr 03, 2013

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Janet Bertog wrote: > > Some people are uncomfortable being forced to flirt with a person of the > same sex. Some people are not uncomfortable. Those people who are not > uncomfortable are free to dance with same sex partners if they choose, but > it is their choice.

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Rickey Holt wrote: > > I am looking for dances where men are flirting with men and/or women > flirting with women, but not because it is a gender free evening. In my > expereince, same sex interactions in dances often increase the dancers > energy. Other than dances with

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> If > > > you are in a gender-free dance then the assumption is that you will be > > > dancing with whoever, but most dances are not gender free. > > > > > > Janet > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From:

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ng with whoever, but most dances are not gender free. > > > > Janet > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: callers-boun...@sharedweight.net > > [mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch > > Sent: Wednesday, April

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Alan, Since the move called Mad Robin has been mentioned so often, I hope you consider calling the eponymous English dance (billed as such, of course, don't want to cause riots). Easy enough for dedicated contra dancers but different enough (proper, and with 2-hand turns instead of swings) to

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This one was originally written for a Valentine's Day contra dance. One of those really fun swing-frustration dances: Frustration Reel III by Bill Sacks (Improper) A1: Do-si-do neighbor 1 1/4 (to waves with ladies in center) In waves, balance; allemande neighbor R 1/2 A2: Men allemande 1 1/2

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On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Aaron Redfern wrote: > I don't think any dance forces flirtation; some just allow it more than > others, and there's nothing wrong with having an event that's focused on > these dances for people who want to seek them out. It's been done

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April 03, 2013 11:43 AM > To: Caller's discussion list > Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Janet Bertog wrote: > > > > In my experience these dances increase the stress level, I would > > recommend aga

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Message- From: callers-boun...@sharedweight.net [mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:43 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Janet Bertog wrote

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;ja...@bertog.com> To: 'Caller's discussion list' <call...@sharedweight.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? In my experience these dances increase the stress level, I would recommend against calling them. -

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Janet Bertog wrote: > > In my experience these dances increase the stress level, I would recommend > against calling them. Could you expand on that? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*>

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list' Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? I am looking for dances where men are flirting with men and/or women flirting with women, but not because it is a gender free evening. In my expereince, same sex interactions in dances often increase the dancers energy

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o:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 10:29 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Rickey Holt wrote: > Aahz Maruch: >> On Wed, Apr 03, 2

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Rickey Holt wrote: > Aahz Maruch: >> On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Alan Winston wrote: >>> >>> Of course they all are, to some degree, but I wonder what comes to >>> mind for you when you think of a flirtatious contra. (And what would >>> be the characteristics of a flirty dance

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Okay, seems like a good time to share a new dance. I've been calling this one for about a year now. The A1 circle left is without hands. The transition from the LHS to the single file prom 3/4 is fun to dance.This seems to work best with "slinky" tunes. Baby Evelyn’s Reel – Rich Goss.

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list Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Alan Winston wrote: > > Of course they all are, to some degree, but I wonder what comes to > mind for you when you think of a flirtatious contra. (And what would > be the cha

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On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Alan Winston wrote: > > Of course they all are, to some degree, but I wonder what comes to > mind for you when you think of a flirtatious contra. (And what > would be the characteristics of a flirty dance for you. As someone > with long experience in English dance I think

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. Bree Kalb Carrboro, NC -Original Message- From: Alan Winston Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:18 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? I'm supposed to do an hour of flirty contra dances at Queer Contra Dance Camp next

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Steele Anniversary has a mad robin followed by gent/lead cross the set and gypsy & swing, so you've got something like 20 beats of eye contact before the swing. Can't remember the name :-/ but I've done a dance where you approach your partner multiple times and it always turns into something

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How about New Year's Day by Paul Balliet? You gypsy with your future neighbor, a tease, then go back and balance/swing your original neighbor. On Apr 3, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Alan Winston wrote: > I'm supposed to do an hour of flirty contra dances at Queer Contra Dance Camp > next weekend. > >

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Kitch Sealed with a Keith, Cary Ravitz -Original Message- From: callers-boun...@sharedweight.net [mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Alan Winston Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:19 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty

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, April 03, 2013 6:19 AM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances? I'm supposed to do an hour of flirty contra dances at Queer Contra Dance Camp next weekend. Of course they all are, to some degree, but I wonder what comes to mind for you

[Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra dances?

I'm supposed to do an hour of flirty contra dances at Queer Contra Dance Camp next weekend. Of course they all are, to some degree, but I wonder what comes to mind for you when you think of a flirtatious contra. (And what would be the characteristics of a flirty dance for you. As someone