Re: Coldfusion Code Review Tool

2011-01-13 Thread dev losh
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Re: Converting JPG/etc to ICO

2011-01-13 Thread Vlastimil Miler
If the only thing you need is converting the image to an .ico file, you can use an online service like http://www.rw-designer.com/image-to-icon ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
Andrew, people figured out how to do even more clever stuff than that, sprite multi-plexing and sprite in the border became pretty common place. Sprites in the border was actually invented in the early 80's by 1001 crew. every heard of FLI (Flexible Line Interfacing), it was a way of creating

RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)

2011-01-13 Thread Andrew Scott
And when do you think I worked on these games? My brother and I had posted many articles that these crews could have used, and it still doesn't excuse the fact that the company we worked for where the first to release a game using these techniques. That will never change, and as much as I hate

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread John M Bliss
Why not join myself, Ben Nadel and many other CFers by purchasing Seven Languages in Seven Weeks and working thru all the exercises? http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Languages-Weeks-Programming-Programmers/dp/193435659X/

RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
Believe it or not there is still a C64 scene going strong, people still writing demos etc. So maybe you can find your old games. I had a few C128's and C128D's, can't say I ever really had any problems with C64 stuff not working, apart form the odd problem with the D030 register being written to

Re: any good Model-Glue Gesture tutorials?

2011-01-13 Thread Raymond Camden
Is there anything in particular you can say that you are looking for? There seem to be quite a few articles on the docs site (http://docs.model-glue.com/). On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:01 PM, Greg Morphis gmorp...@gmail.com wrote: Been looking around and reading this but this is more of a do

Re: any good Model-Glue Gesture tutorials?

2011-01-13 Thread Greg Morphis
I really like the plant-o-matic tutorial but it's already given to you, and the code is replace this with this.. do reason why. Guess I'm looking for a dummy's guide, a beginner's guide. I saw the tutorial on your site but it was for Unity. I'm starting a large project and instead of applying my

Re: any good Model-Glue Gesture tutorials?

2011-01-13 Thread Raymond Camden
Did you try the quick start? On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:17 AM, Greg Morphis gmorp...@gmail.com wrote: I really like the plant-o-matic tutorial but it's already given to you, and the code is replace this with this.. do reason why. Guess I'm looking for a dummy's guide, a beginner's guide. I

Re: any good Model-Glue Gesture tutorials?

2011-01-13 Thread Greg Morphis
No :( I didn't even see that! I saw the training and it begun with installation, I thought I was good. I'll read the quickstart.. any other things I can read to get up to speed? Thanks Ray! On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote: Did you try the quick start?

Re: US Government moving to Drupal?

2011-01-13 Thread Matthew Williams
I've been working with .GOV as a shared CF server admin since the beginning of '06 for EPA, and the impression I've always been given is that our branch is only interested in enterprise solutions. Even the FOSS apps that are being run are the Enterprise variants (Solaris, RHEL, etc). If

RE: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Mark A. Kruger
No that would not be accurate. Flash's animation engine is designed for animation. It's smooth and slick and scales when you zoom or draw back (vector graphic stuff). Ajax animation is basically HTML smoke and mirrors - good stuff and works well on modern computers but try calculating and

RE: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Mark A. Kruger
Sorry... AMF, not AMA Mark A. Kruger, MCSE, CFG (402) 408-3733 ext 105 Skype: markakruger www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:50 AM To: cf-talk Subject:

RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Will Swain
Got it for Christmas, but haven't had a chance to start it yet. For those who have run through this book, how much time at a minimum did they find they needed to spend on each language? w -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 January 2011 12:13

Hosting Multiple CF websites on EC2 Windows Server 2008 and IIS 7

2011-01-13 Thread Richard Steele
Has anyone been successful in setting up multiple CF websites with separate domains on an amazon EC2 windows server 2008 machine? I can add multiple websites in IIS but since there is only one elastic IP address from Amazon, I'm not sure how to route the traffic from each domain to their

CMS for CF

2011-01-13 Thread webmaster
I'm looking for a good open source content management system for Cold Fusion. Something like Joomla. Any suggestions out there? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: CMS for CF

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I think Mura is free. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:37 AM, webmas...@pegweb.com wrote: I'm looking for a good open source content management system for Cold Fusion. Something like Joomla. Any suggestions out there? ~|

Re: CMS for CF

2011-01-13 Thread Jake Churchill
Farcry: http://www.farcrycore.org/ On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:37 AM, webmas...@pegweb.com wrote: I'm looking for a good open source content management system for Cold Fusion. Something like Joomla. Any suggestions out there?

Re: CMS for CF

2011-01-13 Thread Scott Slone
Myra FarCry Boomsocket Check riaforge as well... On Jan 13, 2011, at 8:37 AM, webmas...@pegweb.com wrote: I'm looking for a good open source content management system for Cold Fusion. Something like Joomla. Any suggestions out there?

Re: CMS for CF

2011-01-13 Thread John M Bliss
http://www.getmura.com http://www.farcrycore.org http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.search#cms_catid=1 On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:37 AM, webmas...@pegweb.com wrote: I'm looking for a good open source content management system for Cold Fusion. Something like Joomla. Any suggestions

Re: Hosting Multiple CF websites on EC2 Windows Server 2008 and IIS 7

2011-01-13 Thread Justin Scott
Within the IIS settings, for each site you can edit the Bindings and specify which hostnames belong to which sites and IIS will sort out the requests as they come in. For example, you might have your IP on port 80 for one site bound to both 'example.com' and 'www.example.com' and have the same

Accessing Visual Fox Pro

2011-01-13 Thread Duane Boudreau
I am working on a project that connects to an ERP system running Visual Fox Pro as its backend. Ideally I would like to connect SQL Server to the VFP database and use SQL Server as the interface, like you can with Access. Does anyone know if that's possible? Good idea or suicidal? Thanks,

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote: For those who have run through this book, how much time at a minimum did they find they needed to spend on each language? Ben Nadel gave an indication of how long most of the homework exercises have taken him in his blog

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Dominic Watson
Just a thought: I bought the book and haven't yet started it. Something encouraging my procrastination is the horrid thought of having various language server services setup on my machine with noob configurations (me being the noob). It struck me that using some sort of Linux VM for learning

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Raymond Camden
Most languages won't be a service. CF is a language + a platform. Stuff like Perl, Ruby, etc, would be just a set of files to let you run stuff. Much like Java by itself isn't a service. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Dominic Watson watson.domi...@googlemail.com wrote: Just a thought: I

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Great idea.just setup a base VMcopy the virtual disks (one per language)then setup each as needed On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 17:51 +, Dominic Watson wrote: Just a thought: I bought the book and haven't yet started it. Something encouraging my procrastination is the horrid thought

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Nathan Strutz
Mission already accomplished by a friend and former CFUG manager: http://www.jumpbox.com/ http://www.jumpbox.com/ nathan strutz [http://www.dopefly.com/] [http://hi.im/nathanstrutz] On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote: Great idea.just

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Wil Genovese
I run VMWare Fusion and do this all the time. I can setup experimental servers and trials for most anything. I also have an Ubuntu Desktop VM just for fun because sometimes my Mac isn't Linux enough. I have about 6 or 7 base VM images that I work with. Plus you can always create snapshots

RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Roger Austin
Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote: For those who have run through this book, how much time at a minimum did they find they needed to spend on each language? I would totally agree that learning new languages is an essential part of being a professional developer (if that is what

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Dominic Watson watson.domi...@googlemail.com wrote: Just a thought: I bought the book and haven't yet started it. Something encouraging my procrastination is the horrid thought of having various language server services setup on my machine with noob

RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
Shame CF is not listed -Original Message- From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 January 2011 18:07 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset? Mission already accomplished by a friend and former CFUG manager: http://www.jumpbox.com/

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Roger Austin raust...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am using the Prag Prog approach and learning one language a year or at least targeting one. Get proficient rather than just hit to highlights. This year, I am working on clojure and getting better at

Issues with session variables

2011-01-13 Thread Maneesha Aggarwal
We have an issue with early timeout using session and client variables. We are using ColdFusion 5. We have set up sessiontimeout for 2 hours in CFAPPLICATION as well as in CF Admin (maximum timeout and default timeout). But Session variables expire in approximately 45 sec. The same behavior is

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Wil Genovese
Well, the two minute intro video listed ColdFusion. However, I suspect there may be licensing issues. It would be nice if the Railo folks worked with Jumpbox to provide a Railo JumpBox. Sean? hint? hint? :-) Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator Wil Genovese

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Nathan Strutz
Because it's open source, they can't put Adobe CF on there. He did make a video (#21, http://blog.jumpbox.com/2009/09/28/deployment-ramp-ups/) on installing a CFML app into Railo into Tomcat on a JumpBox VM. A few quick steps and he gets the whole thing running. You're right though, it's a shame,

Re: Issues with session variables

2011-01-13 Thread Justin Scott
Are the session id and token cookies being set properly and retained by the browser and passed back to the application on subsequent requests? That is how ColdFusion links the request to the particular session in memory. If those values are being lost then CF wouldn't know what session to load.

Re: Issues with session variables

2011-01-13 Thread Wil Genovese
Exactly what he said. However, since you are also having trouble with client variables, I suspect that the memory storage location is the issue. Usually by default sessions are managed via the cookies on CF5. However it was possible to change this to Registry or choose a database. If the

Re: Issues with session variables

2011-01-13 Thread Nathan Strutz
For the timeout issue, there are a couple things, but most likely, your CF5 server is crashing. This is especially true if you have a busy server or use session application variables a good amount without using cflock. I think (and it's been a LONG time) you can check to see if your server is

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: It would be nice if the Railo folks worked with Jumpbox to provide a Railo JumpBox. Sean? hint? hint? :-) Well, Railo already has an Amazon AMI fully configured and ready to run. This is the first time I've heard

Re: US Government moving to Drupal?

2011-01-13 Thread John Allen
At a big Gov agency I am fighting the good fight to implement Mura but the superiors wana spend money on a CMS so they are looking at some CF COTS products. It's a bummer cause I really LOVE Mura. That said the agency is FOR SURE keeping ACF for its public facing stuff. On the inside they are

help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Jay Birdsell
The dateDiff () is killing me! can someone please look at this and help me clear my head. What I have is a db that tracks executive correspondence when drafts are due and when the final response is due. I need a report that will list any correspondence that has a draft or final date

Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Eric Cobb
Is dte_2dlcl a column in the database? You can't execute a ColdFusion function on a database column in a query. Thanks, Eric Cobb ECAR Technologies, LLC http://www.ecartech.com http://www.cfgears.com On 1/13/2011 1:41 PM, Jay Birdsell wrote: The dateDiff () is killing me! can someone

Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Leigh
try # 1:: select dateDiff('d',#today#,'dte_2dlcl') as Results:: Error - DateDiff invalid identifier If you are trying to use MS SQL's function, it does not allow quotes around the datepart. So it would just be: d not 'd' (in quotes). Also if dte_2dlcl is a column name, remove the quotes

Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Eric Cobb
Wait, I'm confused, are you trying to use the CF dateDiff() function, or a database's dateDiff() function? If you're using a database's, then I think you need to wrap #today# in quotes. Thanks, Eric Cobb ECAR Technologies, LLC http://www.ecartech.com http://www.cfgears.com On 1/13/2011

RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Arsalan Tariq Keen
Being a part time web developer for past 11 years and being a strong CFML fan, I feel it's a good thing that CFML is adapting to the new trends (like OO and Frameworks) where as it still maintaining its legacy of ease of programing through procedural style. If you feel like adapting to OO and

Re: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)

2011-01-13 Thread denstar
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Russ Michaels wrote: Believe it or not there is still a C64 scene going strong, people still writing demos etc. So maybe you can find your old games. I always wanted to go to a demo party in like, Norway or some such. *le sigh* Guess I ain't dead yet, and

Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Leigh
a database's dateDiff() function?  If you're using a database's, then I think you need to wrap #today# in quotes. Depends on whether it is a date string or date object. Though using cfqueryparam would negate the need for quotes.

Re: US Government moving to Drupal?

2011-01-13 Thread Gerald Guido
Is this really that big of a deal? Or is that what you are trying to find out? According to the Adobe folks that sales were strong for CF 8 and that the market share and/or numbers of developers is growing. Are we just tormenting ourselves with another round of CFID related FUD? thanx G! On

RE: help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
Well dte_2dlcl is not a valid enddate for a start. You also need to make sure the dates are in the proper format the database understands. If your using sql server http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa258269%28v=sql.80%29.aspx Russ -Original Message- From: Jay Birdsell

Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I suspect dte_2dlcl is the name of a date/time column in his database. Though it shouldn't be surrounded in single quotes if that's the case. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Well dte_2dlcl is not a valid enddate for a start. You also need to make

Re: help w/ DateDiff() please

2011-01-13 Thread Leigh
try # 3 select dte_2dlcl from execcoresp000.correspondence where dateDiff('d',#today#,'dte_2dlcl') 8 Keep in mind it is often more efficient to rewrite the query using a basic date comparison. (Functions can sometimes impede the database's use of

RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
I presume they are all Linux images ? I did actually speak with Microsoft at an event last year about using windows for such things, and they actually said there is actually no reason why you couldn't deploy the windows trial version in this way and then leave people to apply their own license

RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
You still have a chance LOL. Funnily enough someone just emailed me this week asking for an interview to talk about my C64 days, the groups I was in, demos I coded, what games I cracked etc. Really stretched my memory to remember that I can tell ya :-) Russ -Original Message- From:

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Larry Lyons
Your numbers are somewhat deceptive. You also need to look at the locations, and the median salary by location. You'll find that CF developer salaries are higher than many of the other web based languages. That said, why does this sort of troll occur on a regular basis? Wow. Whether you

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
Well they aren't my numbers, they are the numbers that were on the job board that someone else posted. I was just listing what I saw. True the CF jobs are slightly higher paying, but that's a symtom of having a much smaller talent pool to draw from. I would love CF to be a more serious

Re: US Government moving to Drupal?

2011-01-13 Thread Dave Watts
Can you give some examples of CMS solutions that are losing support? I don't know if I can get into specifics, but basically everything that's not on that list is losing support. CF has been in use by the federal government practically as long as it's existed - we were working on government

drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread John M Bliss
Hi, CF'ers. What's your current favorite method (JS/CSS/etc library) to allow for dragging and dropping widgets (page sections) around pages like on http://www.google.com/ig -- John Bliss - http://about.me/jbliss ~| Order

RE: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
There are of course others, but I like ExtJS best. Russ -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 January 2011 22:12 To: cf-talk Subject: drag and drop widgets Hi, CF'ers. What's your current favorite method (JS/CSS/etc library) to allow for

Re: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread John M Bliss
Like this...? http://www.sencha.com/learn/Tutorial:Custom_Drag_and_Drop_Part_1 http://www.sencha.com/learn/Tutorial:Custom_Drag_and_Drop_Part_1Do you have a preferred learn-by-example? On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: There are of course others, but

Re: Accessing Visual Fox Pro

2011-01-13 Thread Jason Fisher
Ach, VFP ... what a pain. Still have a lot in our shop, but hoping to kill most of it this year ;) Not sure if you can actually use SQL Server as the intermediary, like you do with Access, but you can definitely create SSIS scripts to pull VFP data into SQL tables, which is what we do for a

Re: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
My personal fav is JQuery. Here's an example: http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/file/jquerydragdrop/ On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:12 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, CF'ers. What's your current favorite method (JS/CSS/etc library) to allow for dragging and

Re: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread denstar
My fav is Dojo. It's just awesome. http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/dojotoolkit/dojo/tests/dnd/test_dnd.html Check out the syntax, too (view source). The markup version will be pretty easy for CFers to pick up. Ex: div dojoType=dojo.dnd.Source jsId=c4 class=container copyOnly=true

RE: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread Rick Faircloth
Yep, jQuery all the way! I tried ExtJS, but didn't like it. :oP -Original Message- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: drag and drop widgets My personal fav is JQuery. Here's an example:

Re: US Government moving to Drupal?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Is this really that big of a deal? Or is that what you are trying to find out? I'm genuinely interested in hearing from folks with insight into government agency IT departments and so far the feedback has been very

RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)

2011-01-13 Thread Andrew Scott
I am not surprised that there are people out there keeping the memory alive, even with emulators the scene would be still going strong. Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Friday, 14 January 2011

Re: US Government moving to Drupal?

2011-01-13 Thread Gerald Guido
I'm genuinely interested in hearing from folks with insight into government agency IT departments As am I. and so far the feedback has been very positive (which is good). Pls let us know what you find out if it is not included on this thread, if at all possible. Thank you sir, G! On Thu,

Re: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread Russ Michaels
jQuery is the best overall js library for RIA I reckon, but not much in the way of drag'n'drop widgets. I believe extjs is what CF now uses for its built in widgets. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Rick Faircloth ric...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Yep, jQuery all the way! I tried ExtJS,

Re: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread John M Bliss
Oh, is there a built-in CF drag-and-drop approach? On Jan 13, 2011 6:28 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: jQuery is the best overall js library for RIA I reckon, but not much in the way of drag'n'drop widgets. I believe extjs is what CF now uses for its built in widgets. On Thu,

Re: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I think you're right about CF using ExtJS. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: jQuery is the best overall js library for RIA I reckon, but not much in the way of drag'n'drop widgets. I believe extjs is what CF now uses for its built in widgets. On

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: Unfortunately I don't Adobe has done much to dispel those myths. I hope I'm wrong. But I couldn't in good conscience tell a n00b to start learning CF over Ruby or PHP. Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages

RE: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread Andrew Scott
Actually I disagree. 1) ExtJS is the best framework for doing RIA out there at the moment. 2) jQuery and ExtJS Core are on par for DOM manipulation, and it comes down to personal taste in the syntax. 3) ColdFusion has always used ExtJS for its UI stuff. When comparing jQuery and ExtJS Core (The

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
It's not the responsibility of a company to make it's offerings successful in the marketplace? If the success of CF isn't Adobe's responsibility then who's is it? On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Michael Grant

Re: US Government moving to Drupal?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: Pls let us know what you find out if it is not included on this thread, if at all possible. I've had a couple of private emails containing information I'm not allowed to share because, well, they probably shouldn't

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: If the success of CF isn't Adobe's responsibility then who's is it? Didn't you read what I said? Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages has come about _without_ a company spending money on marketing. Those

Re: drag and drop widgets

2011-01-13 Thread Josh Nathanson
jQuery is the best overall js library for RIA I reckon, but not much inthe way of drag'n'drop widgets. jQuery UI is a separate library that deals with the draggy and droppy type stuff. The first couple iterations were a little rough but it is much improved now. The syntax is very similar to

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages has come about _without_ a company spending money on marketing. Those languages have become popular because their users - their communities - have evangelized

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Wil Genovese
Sean, and others - I would argue that the ColdFusion community has been doing just that for years. I would also argue that price and the lack of ANY school, college, etc exposing students to ColdFusion is also a big part of this. No, it's not Adobe's fault, ColdFusion has been a commercial

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread James Holmes
Railo. -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 14 January 2011 09:03, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote: Sure, but PHP, Ruby and other languages don't have an up front cost associated with them.

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Of course it is (now) Adobe's responsibility to make its offerings (CF, in this case) successful in the marketplace. And CF **is** extremely successful in the marketplace. You and Adobe's idea of marketplace just happen to be two different things. But since their business relies on their

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I read it Sean. You said that I can't lay the fault at Adobe's door. And I disagree. The difference between ACF and Ruby and PHP isn't how zealous it's community is. CF zealots are some of the most involved and passionate out there. And you can choke a horse with the amount of tutorials and books

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I truly fear it may be a day late and a dollar short. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:07 PM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.comwrote: Railo. -- WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/ On 14 January 2011 09:03, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:

RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Andrew Scott
I have to agree here, the fact that one has to pay for the product in the first place, means that the responsibility of this company making money of this product is back in their court. By not promoting the product, getting it out into areas that haven't even heard of the product, is like saying

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I didn't miss his point at all. Don't interpret a differing opinion as a lack of understanding. He's comparing free open source products (apples) to extremely expensive products (oranges) and saying the reason it isn't successful is because the community hasn't evangelized enough. I don't think

Open source - No Mortgage

2011-01-13 Thread Rick Colman
I guess I am old school but I have car payments, a mortgage, etc. etc. All of this open source/freeware stuff leaves me a little mystified. I suppose that it is possible to make some money around the edges of these technologies, but, I have this vision of an army of geeks working on these

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Hmm. Isn't that exactly what you (and others) are doing, too? Comparing apples to oranges? On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Michael Grant wrote: He's comparing free open source products (apples) to extremely expensive products (oranges) and saying the reason it isn't successful is

Dynamically output data

2011-01-13 Thread Frank Liu
Hello I am new to coldfusion. Please help In Table1, I have something like this: WKID Name 1002 High School In Table2, I have something like this: WKIDTitle 1002Math Tecaher 1002Science Teacher 1002English Teacher (more)

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Wil Genovese
I'll continue to love the language and lament that Adobe ever bought it Actually, I am glad Adobe bought ColdFusion (Macromedia). For decades Adobe has been a leader if not the leader in print media. For years Adobe had been trying to figure out how to make the transition from print to

Re: Open source - No Mortgage

2011-01-13 Thread Mark Mandel
Sorry Rick - trying to understand... what is the question? Are you trying to work out how we all have time/inclination to work on OSS? Mark On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Rick Colman rcol...@cox.net wrote: I guess I am old school but I have car payments, a mortgage, etc. etc. All of

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
No. I'm comparing little apples (Allaire) to bigger apples (Macromedia) to enormous apples (Adobe). I've been using CF for many many years. I've done a lot to spread the word in my neck of the woods. I've been laughed at for years for my choice of go-to languages. I've talked until I'm blue in

Re: Dynamically output data

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I'd use something like this for the query. select t1.name, t2.wkid, t2.title from Table2 t2 left join Table1 t1 on t1.WKID = t2.WKID On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Frank Liu fliu2...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I am new to coldfusion. Please help In Table1, I have something like this:

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Matt Quackenbush
I too have been around since v4 (or was it 3? I don't remember), but that is irrelevant. This is the first time (in this thread anyways) that you have even mentioned Allaire or Macromedia, let alone compared them to Adobe. All of your posts are railing against Adobe for not doing their part to

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Josh Nathanson
My guess is that Adobe makes a small but reliable profit with ColdFusion, and therefore has very little incentive to spend money marketing it. They are probably quite happy collecting license fees and paying a few devs to crank out new versions. This bodes well in that as long as it is

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Gerald Guido
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: Didn't you read what I said? Loosely translated, you said that the continued success of a commercial product is the responsibility of the consumer to advocate it's use to other consumers and not the company that

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote: I would also argue that price and the lack of ANY school, college, etc exposing students to ColdFusion is also a big part of this. I'll argue against this being an issue (as I've argued against it several times in the

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Josh Nathanson joshnathan...@gmail.com wrote: This bodes well in that as long as it is profitable they won't kill it entirely, but it's certainly no way to grow the product. Oh come on! After the huge list of enhancements added in both ACF8 and ACF9? And

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
I'm not sure I'm understanding. Since I didn't mention Macromedia or Allaire before, I'm not allowed to mention them now? Even though it's a factor in my opinion about why I think Adobe isn't doing enough? This isn't a debate class. It's a forum. And I'm a long term CF advocate who thinks the

Re: Open source - No Mortgage

2011-01-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Rick Colman rcol...@cox.net wrote: I guess I am old school but I have car payments, a mortgage, etc. etc. All of this open source/freeware stuff leaves me a little mystified. I can highly recommend The Cathedral the Bazaar:

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
You really believe they're not grow[ing] the product with all of those advances and investment and effort?? I know for me the issue isn't that they aren't growing the product. The product just keeps getting better. It's that they aren't growing the user base enough.

Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?

2011-01-13 Thread Michael Grant
P.S. I don't have a hate on for Adobe, even though it sounds like it. I just want them to better justify my choice of staying with CF for so long. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote: I'm not sure I'm understanding. Since I didn't mention Macromedia or Allaire

Re: Open source - No Mortgage

2011-01-13 Thread Mark Mandel
I also really like the RSA Animate of Daniel Pink's talk on What Motivates Us: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc Mark On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Rick Colman rcol...@cox.net wrote: I guess I am old

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