You don't need VS.NET for the event model. You can write it
yourself.
Wiring an event handler is extremely easy - it's one line of
code for each event. The extra code you alluded to earlier
is for VS.NET's benefit - it allows the IDE to know exactly
what methods are called for any
for an
IDE's sake.
- Original Message -
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:34 am
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
You don't need VS.NET for the event model. You can write it
yourself.
Wiring an event handler is extremely easy - it's one line of
code
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 2:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Events are used for more than just GUI functionality.
You can, for instance create an event listener
Anyhow, in terms of ASP.NET and presentation, the event model
exists to make web development closer to traditional
client/server development. The fact that VS.NET works well
with it is a nicety. The event model came first; it does not
exist for an IDE's sake.
In event-driven GUI
button I pressed.
- Original Message -
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 18, 2003 12:37 pm
Subject: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Anyhow, in terms of ASP.NET and presentation, the event model
exists to make web development closer to traditional
client/server
There is no such thing as event driven programming.
All event driven programming, everywhere, is fake. It's an
abstraction created so that humans can model the world
better, and to solve certain problems.
Well, sure, but the illusion seems less illusory on a desktop than in a web
Well, sure, but the illusion seems less illusory on a desktop than
in a web
application. Thus, I submit that it makes for a more useful model for
desktop applications than for HTTP applications, where the request-
responsemodel sticks out like a sore thumb.
Well, see, it's not the
Well, sure, but the illusion seems less illusory on a
desktop than in a web application. Thus, I submit that
it makes for a more useful model for desktop applications
than for HTTP applications, where the request-response
model sticks out like a sore thumb.
Well, see, it's not the
Thus, to me, providing another layer of abstraction on
top of
this to make everything look like it's event-driven seems to be
potentiallyfraught with hazards.
Well, I do think it works quite well. And MS themselves tell you, that if you don't
need the functionality, don't use it. They're
On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 11:04 US/Pacific, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Events are used for more than just GUI functionality.
You can, for instance create an event listener. Then, on your web
page, create an event that the listener picks up and acts upon.
The nice thing is, the event can
Glancing over it, it's a little unfortunate (but not surprising, this
*is* Microsoft) that they only mention CFML and CFScript for the
development languages, but roll out the over 25 languages bit for
support of ASP.NET. I can write Java to support CF applications, making
it most definitely a
I'm on my way out so can't read all, but paragraph 3 deserves some kind of
response: -
ColdFusion follows the same development and page execution model as that of
classic ASP, PHP, JSP, and other similar Web-scripting languages.
Specifically, code is embedded in HTML markup, and as a given page
Any XXX support in ASP.NET is via the .NET framework DB access, sessioning,
etc... Even System.Web.UI.Page is part of the .NET framework. That's because ASP.NET
is part of the .NET framework (whose classes consist of the System.Web namespace).
It contains a few errors, especially
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:00 am
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Glancing over it, it's a little unfortunate (but not surprising,
this
*is* Microsoft) that they only mention CFML and CFScript for the
development languages, but roll out the over 25 languages bit
Erm what were you expecting ?
It's a Microsoft Article promoting a Microsoft product of course its going
to bias towards its own product... Otherwise it's a bit like BlueDragon
saying yea we got a cool product, but your better off with Macromedias CF
?
Mikey
-Original Message-
From:
, July 17, 2003 10:07 am
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
I'm on my way out so can't read all, but paragraph 3 deserves some
kind of
response: -
ColdFusion follows the same development and page execution model
as that of
classic ASP, PHP, JSP, and other similar Web-scripting languages
PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:07 am
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
I'm on my way out so can't read all, but paragraph 3 deserves some
kind of
response: -
ColdFusion follows the same development and page execution model
as that of
classic ASP, PHP, JSP, and other
I'm on my way out so can't read all, but paragraph 3 deserves
some kind of response: -
ColdFusion follows the same development and page execution
model as that of classic ASP, PHP, JSP, and other similar
Web-scripting languages. Specifically, code is embedded in
HTML markup, and as a
And then...
asp:input type=text value=#someValue#/
There's your app logic right there...
- Original Message -
From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:38 am
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
cfimport taglib=..\extensions\customtags\ui prefix=asp
asp:input
: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
I'm on my way out so can't read all, but paragraph 3 deserves some
kind of
response: -
ColdFusion follows the same development and page execution model
as that of
classic ASP, PHP, JSP, and other similar Web-scripting languages.
Specifically, code is embedded
I've got Visual Studio here. If Microsoft likes, I can write a godawful
ASP.NET page with queries, business logic and display parameters in the
same page in about 10 minutes if they like. Same with any other web
development methodology, including ColdFusion. Good design takes time.
- Jim
Threading
CF
No support, aside from the fact that simultaneous page requests happen
in separate threads.
ASP.NET
Fully supported. Not only do simultaneous page requests happen in
separate threads, but also each page can (if needed) spawn its own
threads to perform simultaneous or asynchronous
there...
ksc - Original Message -
ksc From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ksc Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:38 am
ksc Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
cfimport taglib=..\extensions\customtags\ui prefix=asp
asp:input type=text ... /
See where I'm going with this? Tell me where the app
Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:35 am
Subject: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Can you give a very small example of this, i.e. real code?
===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
What if I don't want the default value?
How do I change the size of the texbox?
How do I change the maxlength of the textbox?
How do I attach JavaScript to the textbox?
I see your point, asp.net almost forces developers to separate ui from
logic. It's entirely possible to go 100% inline with
Subject: Re: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Sure..
Here's my .aspx page...
% Page Inherits=myPage CodeBehind=myPage.aspx.cs %
html
head
titleMy Page/title
/head
body
Customer Name:
asp:textbox id=txtCustomer width=462px runat=server /
br
asp:button id=btnSave text=Save
Subject: RE: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Um, how is this any different from
cfimport ...
body
Customer name tag:foo
?
===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
(www.mindseye.com)
Member
11:37 am
Subject: RE: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Um, how is this any different from
cfimport ...
body
Customer name tag:foo
?
==
==
===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
Damn.
Checked a few of those pages.And they rock.
I love this functionality:
ASP.Net Grid
Grid in flat mode
Dynamic Group By
Grid formatting features
Database bounding
Footer Totaling and Count
Multicolumn client-side sorting
Pagination
Embedded hyperlinks in cells
Column Moving and
When viewed In Opera 7.11:
An invalid browser has been detected
We were unable to complete your request. The version of your browser
does not appear to be compatable with this application. While the
Infragistics Net Advantage Suite support both up and down level browsers
this applications
Thursday, July 17, 2003, 1:31:31 PM, you wrote:
ksc What if I don't want the default value?
ksc How do I change the size of the texbox?
ksc How do I change the maxlength of the textbox?
ksc How do I attach JavaScript to the textbox?
Come on...you know as well as I do what the answers to these
Anyways...Another thing I am interested in is :
Does Macromedia have a 'real world' database application example written
in CF MX that would showcase the features of the CFMX suite the way
Microsoft is using these examples to push .Net?
-Gel
What you mean the objects on the page, you mean these things:
asp:textbox id=txtCustomer width=462px runat=server /
Yes.
If I use
tags:textbox
I can very easily edit textbox.cfm to change how the textbox acts.
Yes, but you have to edit the file, before you run the template. I'm
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
What you mean the objects on the page, you mean these things:
asp:textbox id=txtCustomer width=462px runat=server
Come on...you know as well as I do what the answers to these questions
are. input.cfm defines default value, whether or not it is a
string of
0 length or not is up to the logic in input.cfm and nowhere else. Same
with the size, maxlength, and js events. I see nothing you mention
: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ksc Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:37 am
ksc Subject: RE: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Um, how is this any different from
cfimport ...
body
Customer name tag:foo
No, because you still can't change the properties of the button at runtime. All
you've done is provided a way to separate the default state of the button, again at
compile time, as it were.
You could easily write a button.cfm that says, if caller.cfm.cs
exists, cfinclude it and handle any
wouldn't that be the CF version of the petStore App?
Ben
- Original Message -
From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Anyways...Another thing I am interested in is :
Does Macromedia
spotted a bug...need name parameter. oops :)
name = id
--
jon
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thursday, July 17, 2003, 2:28:36 PM, you wrote:
jh Ok...if you insist.
jh input.cfm:
jh cfparam name=maxlength default=255
jh cfparam name=width default=462
jh cfparam name=type default=text
jh cfparam
: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
No, because you still can't change the properties of the
button at runtime. All you've done is provided a way to
separate the default state of the button, again at compile
time, as it were.
You could easily
As with Raymond's suggestion, you can't change them at runtime.
- Original Message -
From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Ok...if you insist.
input.cfm:
cfparam name=maxlength default=255
cfparam name=width
is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. - Yoda
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
No, because you still can't change the properties of the
button at runtime
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Anyways...Another thing I am interested in is :
Does Macromedia have a 'real world' database application example written
in CF MX that would showcase the features of the CFMX suite the way
Microsoft is using these examples to push .Net?
-Gel
, you wrote:
ksc As with Raymond's suggestion, you can't change them at runtime.
ksc - Original Message -
ksc From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ksc Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:28 pm
ksc Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Ok...if you insist.
input.cfm:
cfparam name=maxlength default
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
See Raymond's response :)
cfif isDefined(caller.form)
//hmmm spotted problem...should name defaults differently
cfif attributes.value NEQ value --- onChange
cfset
Message -
From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:37 pm
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Or do you mean you can't change the properties based on actions, ie,
make it so that on change, the button adds foo in front of any value
you may have ttped in? If so
This isn't at runtime. This would work when a post back is done, however.
- Original Message -
From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:50 pm
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
See Raymond's response :)
cfif isDefined(caller.form)
//hmmm spotted problem
hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
See Raymond's response :)
cfif isDefined(caller.form)
//hmmm spotted problem...should name defaults differently
cfif attributes.value NEQ value --- onChange
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
No, actually with your model (and Jon's) this is somewhat
possible (it'd be somehat annoying to differentiate between
two textboxes on the same page, for instance).
What I'm saying is that there's no way for CF to change the
textbox
However, again, this is certainly doable in CF. If ASPX
uses a second
file filename.aspx.cs to contain such code, you could easily make
button.cfm check for the existence of such a file and then
include it
so it could call custom event handlers for your specific button.
Not sure
Ok, I see what you mean...it really comes down to CF's lack of
event's then, not CF's lack of ability to separate UI from logic.
If you count Flash as CF's UI layer though...an argument could be made
that it does have events though.
CF Flash Event Web Service CF Flash UI change...whew :)
Here's my .aspx page...
% Page Inherits=myPage CodeBehind=myPage.aspx.cs %
...
Here's my codebehind page...
using System;
using System.Web;
using System.Web.UI;
using System.Web.UI.WebControls;
using System.Web.UI.HtmlControls;
public class maintainGroup : System.Web.UI.Page ...
Isn't there 3 files? The caller file, the custom file for
codebehind, and the file that defines button itself. Unless
the button itself is part of the application server. So, at
worse, 3 files in CF, 2 files in ASPX, but I still say the
feature you describe is possible.
In ASP.NET,
Message -
From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:04 pm
Subject: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Can you give an example of how ASPX would alter the textbox before it
gets returned to the user
There's only 2 files in ASP.NET.
Remember, the button is an object - an instantiation of a class. The class is part of
the .NET framework.
- Original Message -
From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:18 pm
Subject: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
However
I'd love to see CF exposed as classes. This way, you could actually override the
render method for CF, for instance.
- Original Message -
From: jon hall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:20 pm
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Ok, I see what you mean...it really comes
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
There's only 2 files in ASP.NET.
Remember, the button is an object - an instantiation of a
class. The class is part of the .NET framework
, 2003 1:42 pm
Subject: RE: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Um, so the class is what, magical fairy dust? ;) Sone had to write the
class. A class is a file, right? Now, that being said, it's built-in
to ASP where I'd have to build my own for CF
It depends on the type of changes you're making to the presentation layer. No system
is going to help you if you remove the textbox from the page - you're going to have to
make not-insignificant code changes. All architectures like MVC do is _minimize_ the
_number_ and _impact_ of changes.
: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Isn't there 3 files? The caller file, the custom file for
codebehind, and the file that defines button itself. Unless
the button itself is part of the application server. So, at
worse, 3 files in CF, 2 files in ASPX, but I still say the
feature you describe
in the button.
btnSave.Text = You clicked me!;
}
}
- Original Message -
From: Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:04 pm
Subject: RE: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Can you give an example of how ASPX would alter the textbox before it
gets returned to the user
If anyone wants me too, I can also go on a nice tirade of things that are wrong with
ASP.NET :)
- Original Message -
From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:32 pm
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
It looks to me like this is just a fancy way
It looks to me like this is just a fancy way of generating a bunch
of
HTML and JavaScript to give the appearance of events. When you
talk
about changing something at run time, do you mean that the aspx
page is
generating the JavaScript necessary to change elements in response
to
It depends on the type of changes you're making to the
presentation layer. No system is going to help you if you
remove the textbox from the page - you're going to have to
make not-insignificant code changes. All architectures like
MVC do is _minimize_ the _number_ and _impact_ of
But still, this is all presentation code. Some of it is HTML, some
is C#,
but it's all presentation-layer stuff. It creates and controls the
interface. When I think of application partitioning, I usually have
something a bit different in mind.
So do I. Codebehind is a very small, nice
On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 05:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If anyone wants me too, I can also go on a nice tirade of things that
are wrong with ASP.NET :)
Not at all! I've found this thread very interesting. I'm just trying
to figure out how ASP.NET implements an event model using
It's faked. The form gets posted, and then the event is dealt with then.
- Original Message -
From: Christian Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 05:06 PM
Not at all! I've found this thread very interesting. I'm
just trying to figure out how ASP.NET implements an event
model using HTTP. I have Virtual PC on order, and if I ever
get it, I might just install Visual Studio and find out
for myself how it all works.
It doesn't implement an
.
I myself don't really bother to use this functionality.
- Original Message -
From: Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: MSDN on CF - ASP.net
Not at all! I've found this thread very interesting. I'm
just trying
On Thursday, Jul 17, 2003, at 11:07 US/Pacific, Angel Stewart wrote:
Does Macromedia have a 'real world' database application example
written
in CF MX that would showcase the features of the CFMX suite the way
Microsoft is using these examples to push .Net?
I'm not quite sure what you're
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