Re: need a host
I would highly recommend them, without reservation. I have no vested interest in a recommendation. They've just been great to work with since I placed my first VPS order in 2008 and have been very helpful, supportive, and accommodating. I just have them set up my VPS's and then manage the server hardware, CF server, and IIS, myself via RDC. Works like a charm... Rick On 11/21/2014 4:04 PM, Wil Genovese wrote: I should really get to know these KickAssVPS people. They are located less than 2 miles from my house here in St. Paul, MN. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: They have CF11. Rick -Original Message- From: Rob Voyle [mailto:robvo...@voyle.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:43 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: need a host Hi Folks I would affirm kickAssVps, I was with them for several years and got great responsive service. However for business reasons, which I totally understand, they are not upgrading to CF11. I moved to www.viviotech.net/ and because I am not all that literate in the server and condfusion administration arena purchased the extended support and I couldn't be happier, the crew their have been really great. Rob Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D. Director, Clergy Leadership Institute For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/ 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359698 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: need a host
Ha! Kinda funny... This is a Virtual server, and I manage the hardware! :) On 11/21/2014 4:09 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: I would highly recommend them, without reservation. I have no vested interest in a recommendation. They've just been great to work with since I placed my first VPS order in 2008 and have been very helpful, supportive, and accommodating. I just have them set up my VPS's and then manage the server hardware, CF server, and IIS, myself via RDC. Works like a charm... Rick On 11/21/2014 4:04 PM, Wil Genovese wrote: I should really get to know these KickAssVPS people. They are located less than 2 miles from my house here in St. Paul, MN. Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator CF Webtools www.cfwebtools.com wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Nov 21, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: They have CF11. Rick -Original Message- From: Rob Voyle [mailto:robvo...@voyle.com] Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 2:43 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: need a host Hi Folks I would affirm kickAssVps, I was with them for several years and got great responsive service. However for business reasons, which I totally understand, they are not upgrading to CF11. I moved to www.viviotech.net/ and because I am not all that literate in the server and condfusion administration arena purchased the extended support and I couldn't be happier, the crew their have been really great. Rob Robert J. Voyle, Psy.D. Director, Clergy Leadership Institute For Coaching and Training in Appreciative Inquiry Author: Restoring Hope: Appreciative Strategies to Resolve Grief and Resentment http://www.appreciativeway.com/ 503-647-2378 or 503-647-2382 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359699 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: need a host
I've always gotten quick, personal attention to any issues that may arise. On 11/19/2014 9:27 PM, Rick Eidson wrote: I posted about this last week... Yes, you are right. It seems they have become a bit drone like. Before with a tech problem things seems more personable. Rick -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 7:41 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: need a host KickAssVPS.com Been with them for years; very little trouble; always quick with support. They even tailor VPS's for me. On 11/19/2014 7:49 PM, Brian Thornton wrote: So sorry to bring up an old thread. BUt things have changed at Hostek. Simple common sense have changed into support phone scripts, unresponsive tickets, beuracy over account confirmatino over the phone. Some examples: EXAMPLE 1: Me: Hi Can you make this change on the account since the online portal is not working using the username and password you provided? Hostek Support: Yes as long as you answer your secret question with the correct answer. Me: Sure what is the question that you'd like me to answer? Hostek: Sir due to confidentiality, I cant give you the question or the answer but you can login online to get the question. Me: I understand that but I'm calling since the autogenerated password you just created and emailed me isn't valid this cannot login to the portal. If I can't login how would I get the question or the answer and if I could login I wouldn't be calling you. Hostek: Well sir, if you like you can login and change your password if you like. or EXAMPLE 2: Me: When you setup a VPS server for a client you gave them a username and password for RDS to the machine, however your policy is to block all access unless the IP address is whitelisted. What is the password to login to add an IPto the whitelist table? Hostek: Sorry sir, that's a different password that you will need to login with. I don't have access to it, to allow you to reset it, or to create a new one. You will need to login to change it. etc etc.. So kudos to Hostek for being CF tailored, but folks they have become drones. I recommend the others found at: http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/coldfusion-family/hosting-partners.ht ml On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephen Hait stephenh...@gmail.com wrote: Just switched a client from Newtek to Hostek and everyone's a lot happier. CF11, though, not sure about CF9. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Matthew Smith chedders...@gmail.com wrote: not newtek, no hostmedia.co.uk(no mssql), no viviotek. Any suggestions? Need cf 9 and ms sql. Thanks. -- Regards, chedder is bedder ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359688 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: need a host
KickAssVPS.com Been with them for years; very little trouble; always quick with support. They even tailor VPS's for me. On 11/19/2014 7:49 PM, Brian Thornton wrote: So sorry to bring up an old thread. BUt things have changed at Hostek. Simple common sense have changed into support phone scripts, unresponsive tickets, beuracy over account confirmatino over the phone. Some examples: EXAMPLE 1: Me: Hi Can you make this change on the account since the online portal is not working using the username and password you provided? Hostek Support: Yes as long as you answer your secret question with the correct answer. Me: Sure what is the question that you'd like me to answer? Hostek: Sir due to confidentiality, I cant give you the question or the answer but you can login online to get the question. Me: I understand that but I'm calling since the autogenerated password you just created and emailed me isn't valid this cannot login to the portal. If I can't login how would I get the question or the answer and if I could login I wouldn't be calling you. Hostek: Well sir, if you like you can login and change your password if you like. or EXAMPLE 2: Me: When you setup a VPS server for a client you gave them a username and password for RDS to the machine, however your policy is to block all access unless the IP address is whitelisted. What is the password to login to add an IPto the whitelist table? Hostek: Sorry sir, that's a different password that you will need to login with. I don't have access to it, to allow you to reset it, or to create a new one. You will need to login to change it. etc etc.. So kudos to Hostek for being CF tailored, but folks they have become drones. I recommend the others found at: http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/coldfusion-family/hosting-partners.html On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephen Hait stephenh...@gmail.com wrote: Just switched a client from Newtek to Hostek and everyone's a lot happier. CF11, though, not sure about CF9. On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Matthew Smith chedders...@gmail.com wrote: not newtek, no hostmedia.co.uk(no mssql), no viviotek. Any suggestions? Need cf 9 and ms sql. Thanks. -- Regards, chedder is bedder ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359685 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: SOT: the magic of RANK()
Nice! I've never heard of Rank()... On 8/12/2014 4:21 PM, John M Bliss wrote: I hope this saves someone some time and I hope I'm not way late to the RANK() party: Let's say you have this table: column1 - column2 A - 1 A - 2 A - 2 B - 3 B - 4 B - 4 ...and you need to write SQL to return the most frequently occurring column2 for each distinct column1: A - 2 B - 4 Enter RANK(): SELECT x.column1, x.column2 FROM ( SELECT z.column1, z.column2, COUNT(*) as thecount, RANK() OVER (PARTITION BY z.column1 ORDER BY COUNT(*) DESC) AS therank FROM z GROUP BY z.column1, z.column2 ) AS x WHERE x.therank = 1 Done and done. :-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:359113 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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Re: Testing
Thanks for the confirmation, Mike. I'll keep working on the solution to why you didn't receive it and I didn't receive your notice confirmation my message failure. :-D Rick On 5/18/2014 10:32 PM, Mike K wrote: Nope. I never received it Rick. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Testing... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358657 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
Hmmm...
I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get the
correct
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the error in
Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still get the
same
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same error
in Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in the
form
above, even when I specify the argument as array type.
Suggestions on what to do now? Something else on the client side with
jQuery/JS
or something on the method side with CF?
Thanks for any feedback!
Rick
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
It shows [ 27, 28, 26 ] in the console.
I guess I can just pass that through and have a cfargument type of list
and parse those ID's with a cfloop to assign them to individual
cfarguments.
Or does a cfargument type of list handle the ID's without having to
break down the list into individual arguments?
Not exactly. You can't pass complex variables like that via HTTP. It has to
be serialized first. I believe jQuery will do that for you- but I'd
probably do it myself - ie, somearray.join(,).
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wrote:
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
Here's the client-side code:
$(document).ready(function() {
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
var emailNewsletterGreeting = $('#email_newsletter_greeting').val();
var specialIDList = [];
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function() {
var specialID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
specialIDList = specialID.join(', ');
});
console.log(specialIDList);
values = { emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialIDList: specialIDList }
$.ajax({ cache:false,
type: 'post',
'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data: values,
success:function(response) {
alert('Success!');
}
});
});
});
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hmmm...
I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get the
correct
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the error in
Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still get
the
same
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same
error
in Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
Ok, so you passed specialidlist, right? Can you show us your latest code?
So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in the
form
above, even when I specify the argument as array type.
Remember, we are sending the data over the wire as a string. So your
argument should be string.
But for now, let's see your client side code again please.
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
Hi, Steve...
I just gave that a try, but still get an error in Firebug:
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS
Also, in the console, I still get what appears to be the same when I use
console.log(specialIDLlist):
[ 27, 28, 26 ].
Perhaps something is missing on the cfc method side? Here's that code:
cffunction name = mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
displayName= mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
hint = Processes Email Newsletter Form
output = true
access = remote
returnType= struct
cfargument name = emailNewsletterGreeting type = string required =
no /
cfargument name = specialIDList type = string required
= no /
cfset emailNewsletterStruct = structNew() /
cfset emailNewsletterStruct.EMAILNEWSLETTERGREETING =
'#arguments.emailNewsletterGreeting#'
/
cfset emailNewsletterStruct.SPECIALIDLIST = '#arguments.specialIDList#'
/
cfreturn emailNewsletterStruct /
/cffunction
???
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Steve Milburn scmilb...@gmail.com wrote:
Inside your .each loop you want to push specialID to your array like so:
specialIDList.push (specialID). Afterwards when you are preparing your
values object to be sent to the server you do specialIDList.join to put
them into a string.
On Jan 16, 2014 12:32 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Here's the client-side code:
$(document).ready(function() {
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
var emailNewsletterGreeting = $('#email_newsletter_greeting').val();
var specialIDList = [];
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function() {
var specialID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
specialIDList = specialID.join(', ');
});
console.log(specialIDList);
values = { emailNewsletterGreeting:
emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialIDList: specialIDList }
$.ajax({ cache:false,
type: 'post',
'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data: values,
success:function(response) {
alert('Success!');
}
});
});
});
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Raymond Camden
raymondcam...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hmmm...
I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get
the
correct
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the
error
in
Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still
get
the
same
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same
error
in Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
Ok, so you passed specialidlist, right? Can you show us your latest
code?
So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in
the
form
above, even when I specify the argument as array type.
Remember, we are sending the data over the wire as a string. So your
argument should be string.
But for now, let's see your client side code again please.
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
Hold the horses!
I changed the join from:
specialIDList.join();
to:
var specialIDList = specialIDList.join();
and it worked!
I think the var, specialIDList, was not available to the ajax function
since it was being recreated
in the .each loop.
So, now do I have to loop over the multiple variables in specialIDList on
the server side with CF
in order to break the string into individual arguments?
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
Hi, Steve...
I just gave that a try, but still get an error in Firebug:
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS
Also, in the console, I still get what appears to be the same when I use
console.log(specialIDLlist):
[ 27, 28, 26 ].
Perhaps something is missing on the cfc method side? Here's that code:
cffunction name = mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
displayName= mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
hint = Processes Email Newsletter Form
output = true
access = remote
returnType= struct
cfargument name = emailNewsletterGreeting type = string required =
no /
cfargument name = specialIDList type = string required
= no /
cfset emailNewsletterStruct = structNew() /
cfset emailNewsletterStruct.EMAILNEWSLETTERGREETING =
'#arguments.emailNewsletterGreeting#'
/
cfset emailNewsletterStruct.SPECIALIDLIST = '#arguments.specialIDList#'
/
cfreturn emailNewsletterStruct /
/cffunction
???
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Steve Milburn scmilb...@gmail.comwrote:
Inside your .each loop you want to push specialID to your array like so:
specialIDList.push (specialID). Afterwards when you are preparing your
values object to be sent to the server you do specialIDList.join to put
them into a string.
On Jan 16, 2014 12:32 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Here's the client-side code:
$(document).ready(function() {
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
var emailNewsletterGreeting = $('#email_newsletter_greeting').val();
var specialIDList = [];
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function() {
var specialID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
specialIDList = specialID.join(', ');
});
console.log(specialIDList);
values = { emailNewsletterGreeting:
emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialIDList: specialIDList
}
$.ajax({ cache:false,
type: 'post',
'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data: values,
success:function(response) {
alert('Success!');
}
});
});
});
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Raymond Camden
raymondcam...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hmmm...
I tried using the specialIDList.push(specialID) approach, and I get
the
correct
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the
error
in
Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
I also tried using specialIDList = specialID.join(', ') and I still
get
the
same
output in console.log, [ 27, 28, 26 ], but I also get the same
error
in Firebug,
500 Element SPECIALIDLIST is undefined in ARGUMENTS.
Ok, so you passed specialidlist, right? Can you show us your latest
code?
So, the cfc method doesn't understand speciaIDList when it's sent in
the
form
above, even when I specify the argument as array type.
Remember, we are sending the data over the wire as a string. So your
argument should be string.
But for now, let's see your client side code again please.
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How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
Hi, all...
I've approached this problem from every direction I can think of and with
reference to many, many websites, but I still can put together an answer.
I have this HTML in a form:
cfoutput query = qGetSpecials
div class=special_title_container
span class=title_checkbox_span
input id=special_id_#special_id# class=special_title_checkbox
value=#special_title# type=checkbox name=special_title
/span
span class=special_title_span#special_title#/span
/div
/cfoutput
Which is output into this:
input id=special_id_26 class=special_title_checkbox value=First
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_27 class=special_title_checkbox value=Second
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_28 class=special_title_checkbox value=Third
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
This jQuery processing the inputs:
$(document).ready(function() {
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
var specialTitleID = $('.special_title_checkbox:checked');
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {
var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
var specialTitleID = 'specialTitle_'+specialTitleID;
alert(specialTitleID); --- [ this alerts the three input values, 26, 27,
28, individually when form is submitted ]
});
values = { emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialTitleID: specialTitleID}
(Followed by AJAX code...)
And this cfc method:
cffunction name = mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
displayName= mProcessEmailNewsletterForm
hint = Processes Email Newsletter Form
output = true
access = remote
returnType= struct
cfargument name = emailNewsletterGreeting type = string
required = no /
cfargument name = specialTitleID type =
string required
= no /
cfset emailNewsletterStruct = structNew() /
cfset emailNewsletterStruct.email_newsletter_greeting =
'#arguments.email_newsletter_greeting#'
/
cfset emailNewsletterStruct.specialTitleID =
'#arguments.specialTitleID#'
/
cfreturn emailNewsletterStruct /
/cffunction
But, the cffunction above doesn't know what to do with the value,
specialTitleID, when it's received.
Or, rather, I don't know how to change it in the jQuery code or the
cffunction code so that each
specialTitleID can be separted into individual cfarguments.
I've tried specifying cfargument name=specialTitleID as type=array,
type=list, type=string,
but I get a JS error in Firebug no matter what I try. I'm sure it's simple,
I just haven't handled
a multi-valued variable going via AJAX to a cfc method before. (or that I
remember...).
Suggestions, anyone?
Thanks,
Rick
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
Hey, Ray, and thanks for the reply...
Here's the ajax part...
$.ajax ({ cache: false,
type:'post',
url:
'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data:values,
success: function(result) {
alert('Success!');
}
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:
Why didn't yo post the AJAX code? Isn't that crucial for getting the values
to your CFC? We need to see that.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hi, all...
I've approached this problem from every direction I can think of and with
reference to many, many websites, but I still can put together an answer.
I have this HTML in a form:
cfoutput query = qGetSpecials
div class=special_title_container
span class=title_checkbox_span
input id=special_id_#special_id# class=special_title_checkbox
value=#special_title# type=checkbox name=special_title
/span
span class=special_title_span#special_title#/span
/div
/cfoutput
Which is output into this:
input id=special_id_26 class=special_title_checkbox value=First
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_27 class=special_title_checkbox value=Second
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_28 class=special_title_checkbox value=Third
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
This jQuery processing the inputs:
$(document).ready(function() {
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
var specialTitleID = $('.special_title_checkbox:checked');
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {
var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
var specialTitleID = 'specialTitle_'+specialTitleID;
alert(specialTitleID); --- [ this alerts the three input values, 26,
27,
28, individually when form is submitted ]
});
values = { emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialTitleID: specialTitleID}
(Followed by AJAX code...)
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
I set emailNewsletterGreeting earlier. It's a value from a single DOM
element,
so no problem with that.
And I was tinkering with code prior to the ajax code, so I was changing
variable
names halting the processing before ajax kicked in.
Your array idea sounds good.
I also tried this:
var specialIDList = [];
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {
var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
specialIDList.push(specialTitleID);
});
console.log(specialIDList);
and was able to see the list in Firebug.
It shows [ 27, 28, 26 ] in the console.
I guess I can just pass that through and have a cfargument type of list
and parse those ID's with a cfloop to assign them to individual cfarguments.
Or does a cfargument type of list handle the ID's without having to
break down the list into individual arguments?
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.comwrote:
So values is this:
values = { emailNewsletterGreeting: emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialTitleID: specialTitleID}
I see you set specialTitleID. But you had it in loop. You probably wanted
to make that an array. If the values are IDs though you could use an array
and convert it to a list. So assuming you fixed it and specialTitleID was
an array, you could do:
specialTitleList = specialTitleID.join(,);
Not sure where you set emailNewsletterGretting.
You then want to use Chrome Dev Tools and look at the network request and
see how the value is being passed in.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hey, Ray, and thanks for the reply...
Here's the ajax part...
$.ajax ({ cache: false,
type:'post',
url:
'email-newsletter.cfc?method=mProcessEmailNewsletterFormreturnFormat=json',
data:values,
success: function(result) {
alert('Success!');
}
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com
wrote:
Why didn't yo post the AJAX code? Isn't that crucial for getting the
values
to your CFC? We need to see that.
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hi, all...
I've approached this problem from every direction I can think of and
with
reference to many, many websites, but I still can put together an
answer.
I have this HTML in a form:
cfoutput query = qGetSpecials
div class=special_title_container
span class=title_checkbox_span
input id=special_id_#special_id# class=special_title_checkbox
value=#special_title# type=checkbox name=special_title
/span
span class=special_title_span#special_title#/span
/div
/cfoutput
Which is output into this:
input id=special_id_26 class=special_title_checkbox value=First
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_27 class=special_title_checkbox
value=Second
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
input id=special_id_28 class=special_title_checkbox value=Third
Special type=checkbox name=special_title
This jQuery processing the inputs:
$(document).ready(function() {
$('#newsletter_preview_button').click(function() {
var specialTitleID = $('.special_title_checkbox:checked');
$('.special_title_checkbox:checked').each(function(index,value) {
var specialTitleID = $(this).attr('id').split('_').pop();
var specialTitleID = 'specialTitle_'+specialTitleID;
alert(specialTitleID); --- [ this alerts the three input values,
26,
27,
28, individually when form is submitted ]
});
values = { emailNewsletterGreeting:
emailNewsletterGreeting,
specialTitleID: specialTitleID}
(Followed by AJAX code...)
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Re: How do I pass this jQuery variable as arguments to a cfc method?
Thanks for the tip, Jon! I'll have to check out those Chrome Dev Tools! Rick On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Jon Clausen jon_clau...@silowebworks.comwrote: I like Postman because I can manually test web services, including HTTP verbs and enter form and URL variables against services to test responses and error handling in a variety of formats. It also has tabs that parse your return data, like the network tab does, but in a better format. It's better at functional testing web services, IMHO, than posting AJAX calls repeatedly in page. [Note: Typo assistance courtesy of iPhone] On Jan 15, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: How is that better than the Network tab itself? On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Jon Clausen jon_clau...@silowebworks.comwrote: On a related note, the Postman extension for Chrome is great for testing what your remote CFC's are doing with form variables. On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Jon Clausen jon_clau...@silowebworks.com wrote: I would set your argument type as a list and then validate,loop and process the list in your CFC method. If so youll need to change your each() loop to append the variables in to the list and then post the string in your $.post() request. HTH, Jon ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357442 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
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RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
Thanks for the info, Cutter... Are you currently using LESS? If so, what are your thoughts about its usefulness? -Original Message- From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF? You compile LESS down to css files, you don't serve it up to the browser. I like cfstatic for asset management. It can also compile LESS on the fly. Steve 'Cutter' Blades Adobe Community Professional Adobe Certified Expert Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://cutterscrossing.com Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010 https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book The best way to predict the future is to help create it On 9/7/2013 1:53 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less and then set that type to text/css. In other words: Extention: less Mime Type: text/css Rick -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF? Hi, all... Anyone using LESS with their CSS? I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS, but I'm not quite getting it to work. I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files, but I'm missing something, because the variables don't affect the output. Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF? Thanks for the guidance! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356731 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
I'm just now looking seriously into LESS and its usage.
So far, I've really only looked at its use of variables.
As far as variables are concerned, I don't see much difference
between using variables and classes.
I can define, say, a class this way in CSS:
.titleColor { color: blue }
and use it this way: p class=titleColor
or define this way with LESS:
@titleColor { color: blue }
.titleColor { color: @titleColor }
and use it this way: p class=titleColor
Seems like LESS is more in this case and of
insignificant benefit.
Am I missing the point and best use of variables?
Thanks for the feedback!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:58 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
As a heavy Bootstrap user, I use LESS constantly. Once you really dig
in, you find out quickly just how useful it truly is. Tech like LESS and
SASS are perfect for those creating skinned applications.
Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
http://cutterscrossing.com
Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book
The best way to predict the future is to help create it
On 9/10/2013 6:34 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
Thanks for the info, Cutter...
Are you currently using LESS? If so, what are your thoughts
about its usefulness?
-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:19 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
You compile LESS down to css files, you don't serve it up to the browser.
I like cfstatic for asset management. It can also compile LESS on the fly.
Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
http://cutterscrossing.com
Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book
The best way to predict the future is to help create it
On 9/7/2013 1:53 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less
and then set that type to text/css.
In other words:
Extention: less
Mime Type: text/css
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
Hi, all...
Anyone using LESS with their CSS?
I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS,
but I'm not quite getting it to work.
I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files,
but I'm missing something, because the variables don't
affect the output.
Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF?
Thanks for the guidance!
Rick
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RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
How would you perform CSS pre-processing with CF? -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:57 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF? Apparently, this looks like a CSS prepocessor. But I do not see anything that cannot be done with CF. So what is the advantage of using yet another technology? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356740 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
Thanks, Cutter...
I read the article you referenced and it did clarify some things,
but, being an overview of many different approaches and frameworks
to utilizing CSS, it opened up a large can of worms!
I'm going to check out the BEM approach, first, just as a starting point.
Re: your comments
Variables seem to be the same as a class, to me. I can set a variable
in one place in LESS and change the CSS by changing the variable. But
the exact same effect seems to take place if I create a class, assign
it to elements, then change the class. In that limited usage, a variable
seems no different than a class. One change, many affected elements.
I'll have to study more to understand your comment about
variables and conditions, especially the conditions part. I don't
think I've read about conditions, yet.
But one question I need clarification concerning: if I don't use LESS,
and work with a naming convention, such as BEM, can a pre-processor
still be used with that to compile several stylesheets into a single
stylesheet? Or do pre-processors work with only certains frameworks,
like LESS or SASS?
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:00 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
Variables are on small advantage. It's nice to be able to set a variable
for a color, for instance, and reuse it in several hundred locations, in
a variety of scenarios, without having to apply a separate class to
thousands of lines of code throughout an application. If the color
changes, the variable changes, it updates all of the other style
declarations automatically, BAM!
Mixins are where the power truly shines through. The ability to write
little functions, to dynamically create declarations based upon
variables and conditions. That's very powerful.
Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
http://cutterscrossing.com
Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book
The best way to predict the future is to help create it
On 9/10/2013 7:58 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
I'm just now looking seriously into LESS and its usage.
So far, I've really only looked at its use of variables.
As far as variables are concerned, I don't see much difference
between using variables and classes.
I can define, say, a class this way in CSS:
.titleColor { color: blue }
and use it this way: p class=titleColor
or define this way with LESS:
@titleColor { color: blue }
.titleColor { color: @titleColor }
and use it this way: p class=titleColor
Seems like LESS is more in this case and of
insignificant benefit.
Am I missing the point and best use of variables?
Thanks for the feedback!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 7:58 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
As a heavy Bootstrap user, I use LESS constantly. Once you really dig
in, you find out quickly just how useful it truly is. Tech like LESS and
SASS are perfect for those creating skinned applications.
Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
http://cutterscrossing.com
Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book
The best way to predict the future is to help create it
On 9/10/2013 6:34 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
Thanks for the info, Cutter...
Are you currently using LESS? If so, what are your thoughts
about its usefulness?
-Original Message-
From: Steve 'Cutter' Blades [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 8:19 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
You compile LESS down to css files, you don't serve it up to the browser.
I like cfstatic for asset management. It can also compile LESS on the fly.
Steve 'Cutter' Blades
Adobe Community Professional
Adobe Certified Expert
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
http://cutterscrossing.com
Co-Author Learning Ext JS 3.2 Packt Publishing 2010
https://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js-3-2-for-building-dynamic-desktop-style-user-interfaces/book
The best way to predict the future is to help create it
On 9/7/2013 1:53 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less
and then set that type to text/css.
In other words:
Extention: less
Mime Type: text/css
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject
Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
Hi, all... Anyone using LESS with their CSS? I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS, but I'm not quite getting it to work. I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files, but I'm missing something, because the variables don't affect the output. Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF? Thanks for the guidance! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF?
Nevermind... I figured out I need to set a mime type for .less and then set that type to text/css. In other words: Extention: less Mime Type: text/css Rick -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 2:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Best way to use LESS CSS with CF? Hi, all... Anyone using LESS with their CSS? I'm trying to get a handle on using LESS with my CSS, but I'm not quite getting it to work. I'm including the styles.less and the less.js files, but I'm missing something, because the variables don't affect the output. Do I need some kind of compiler for this to work with CF? Thanks for the guidance! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356728 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Pausing a loop or query
How about using a scheduled task to run a series of mail sends
of 250 each, the as part of the task, schedules another task
5-10 minutes later to send another task. Repeat as needed.
Here's what part of a scheduled task would look like that I used
to process a Real Estate data download every morning:
cfthread action=run name=schedule_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
!--- [ set up the delay routine ] ---
cfset cfthread.sleepTime = 0
cfset cfthread.initialized = false
!--- [ the cfloop continues to loop until the status of the previous
cfthred, in that case named email_results is completed
or terminated (due to a failure) ] ---
cfloop condition=cfthread.email_results.status neq 'completed' and
cfthread.email_results.status neq 'terminated'
cfset sleep(1) /
cfset cfthread.sleeptime++ /
/cfloop
cfschedule action = update
task = vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
operation = HTTPRequest
url=
http://localhost/scheduledTasks/vds/01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing_vds;
startdate = #DateFormat(Now(), 'm/d/')#
starttime = #TimeFormat(DateAdd('n', 2, now()), 'h:mm
tt')#
interval = once
!--- [ the following cfmail is just to notify me that the task has run
and has set up the next task ] ---
cfmail to = r...@whitestonemedia.com
from =
conciergepropertyprocess...@whitestonemedia.com
subject= vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
has been scheduled.
Schedule Task,
whitestone_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing,
will run in 2 minutes.
/cfmail
/cfthread
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:r...@webenergy.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:55 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Pausing a loop or query
Here's the situation. A client of mine has an email list he sends a flyer to
once a month to about 5000
addresses. I need to pause after sending 250 so the server doesn't get flagged
for spamming. What's the best
way to do this?
It's easy to do multiple queries of 250 rows each, but how can I pause for say
5 or 10mins in between?
Kind Regards,
Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/
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RE: Pausing a loop or query
How about using a scheduled task to run a series of mail sends
of 250 each, the as part of the task, schedules another task
5-10 minutes later to send another task. Repeat as needed.
Here's what part of a scheduled task would look like that I used
to process a Real Estate data download every morning:
cfthread action=run name=schedule_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
!--- [ set up the delay routine ] ---
cfset cfthread.sleepTime = 0
cfset cfthread.initialized = false
!--- [ the cfloop continues to loop until the status of the previous
cfthred, in that case named email_results is completed
or terminated (due to a failure) ] ---
cfloop condition=cfthread.email_results.status neq 'completed' and
cfthread.email_results.status neq 'terminated'
cfset sleep(1) /
cfset cfthread.sleeptime++ /
/cfloop
cfschedule action = update
task = vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
operation = HTTPRequest
url=
http://localhost/scheduledTasks/vds/01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing_vds;
startdate = #DateFormat(Now(), 'm/d/')#
starttime = #TimeFormat(DateAdd('n', 2, now()), 'h:mm
tt')#
interval = once
!--- [ the following cfmail is just to notify me that the task has run
and has set up the next task ] ---
cfmail to = r...@whitestonemedia.com
from =
conciergepropertyprocess...@whitestonemedia.com
subject= vds_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing
has been scheduled.
Schedule Task,
whitestone_01i_hilly_peterson_concierge_processing,
will run in 2 minutes.
/cfmail
/cfthread
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Rick Sanders [mailto:r...@webenergy.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 10:55 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Pausing a loop or query
Here's the situation. A client of mine has an email list he sends a flyer to
once a month to about 5000
addresses. I need to pause after sending 250 so the server doesn't get flagged
for spamming. What's the best
way to do this?
It's easy to do multiple queries of 250 rows each, but how can I pause for say
5 or 10mins in between?
Kind Regards,
Rick Sanders
T: 902-401-7689
W: www.webenergy.cahttp://www.webenergy.ca/
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RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example
Hmmm... just finished setting up CKEditor in a site manager for specials... just title, description, and image. Successfully uploaded all content, processed 5 different image sizes from original, and entered all into database. When I went to view the new Special on the development site, I realized the special title, that was entered in a separate instance of CKEditor on the page, was un-styled. Of course, in the database, the actual text was surrounded by p/p and didn't have the style from the stylesheet that normally styles the Special Titles. Is this always the case with editors that provide style control? Since the editor enters its own tags and styles inline (boo), would this mean that all styling has to come from within the CKEditor and its styles would override my stylesheets? Rick -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Thanks, David... Yes, the live content editors are very attractive. Several of the CSM's that I reviewed offer that option. It's very appealing. And it certainly is a balancing-act, trying to provide desired functionality so they don't look elsewhere, but not giving them so much control that they end up making a mess of a site. Rick -Original Message- From: David Phelan [mailto:dphe...@emerginghealthit.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:44 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Rick, Most full-blown CMS solutions allow the clients to add pages to a site whenever desired, they simply select the underlying template (that you develop and provide) for that particular page and go to town creating the content and adding web parts into the areas that you have defined in the template. A WYSIWYG editor is a key ingredient and there are several open source ones out there. I use TinyMCE which is rather simple to configure and provides a good number of options and plugins to choose from and the new version allows for inline editing of the content, though it doesn't sync with the applied CSS to allow users to see the formats they are applying. The ability to upload graphics and documents is also important. Another important thing is allowing the client to preview the updated content within the context of the site before they publish it. This way they can verify that the changes they have made fit the sites theme and layout and correct anything that falls outside the acceptable limits. Inline editors are good for this but there are other approaches as well. You want to give them the freedom to alter the content to the greatest possible extent so that you can focus on developing new functionality/web parts for them to incorporate into their content, especially now that there is an ever increasing number of sites that will allow companies to create their own sites for relatively low cost. You certainly don't want to constrain your client to the point that they move on to another option. David Phelan Web Developer IT Security Web Technologies Emerging Health Montefiore Information Technology 3 Odell Plaza, Yonkers, NY 10701 914-457-6465 Office 862-234-9109 Cell dphe...@emerginghealthit.com www.emerginghealthit.com www.montefiore.org -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback. I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings and have found them to be serious overkill for all my clients. I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that clients were comfortable with them. Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take care of the styling in advance to keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update verbiage and images. The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've got one more sophisticated client who wants, basically, to be able to change everything. Well, she might as well become a website designer to be able to manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc. I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for the global site manager or custom CMS I'm building for my clients currently. I can control the options on the toolbar to keep clients from getting too creative, but make it easy for them to add links, etc., with knowing how to code them. I can keep the CKEditor instances distinct for every form field to accommodate database interaction so I can re-purpose content for email newsletters, etc., and avoid having all content titles, bylines, details, and images all contained within a single database field. I'll have to discuss just
RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example
Yes, that's true, Scott. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:51 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example For a 'title' you may not want them to be able to format that within a rich text editor. It would be more consistent to have all the titles be the same style. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Hmmm... just finished setting up CKEditor in a site manager for specials... just title, description, and image. Successfully uploaded all content, processed 5 different image sizes from original, and entered all into database. When I went to view the new Special on the development site, I realized the special title, that was entered in a separate instance of CKEditor on the page, was un-styled. Of course, in the database, the actual text was surrounded by p/p and didn't have the style from the stylesheet that normally styles the Special Titles. Is this always the case with editors that provide style control? Since the editor enters its own tags and styles inline (boo), would this mean that all styling has to come from within the CKEditor and its styles would override my stylesheets? Rick -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 7:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Thanks, David... Yes, the live content editors are very attractive. Several of the CSM's that I reviewed offer that option. It's very appealing. And it certainly is a balancing-act, trying to provide desired functionality so they don't look elsewhere, but not giving them so much control that they end up making a mess of a site. Rick -Original Message- From: David Phelan [mailto:dphe...@emerginghealthit.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:44 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Rick, Most full-blown CMS solutions allow the clients to add pages to a site whenever desired, they simply select the underlying template (that you develop and provide) for that particular page and go to town creating the content and adding web parts into the areas that you have defined in the template. A WYSIWYG editor is a key ingredient and there are several open source ones out there. I use TinyMCE which is rather simple to configure and provides a good number of options and plugins to choose from and the new version allows for inline editing of the content, though it doesn't sync with the applied CSS to allow users to see the formats they are applying. The ability to upload graphics and documents is also important. Another important thing is allowing the client to preview the updated content within the context of the site before they publish it. This way they can verify that the changes they have made fit the sites theme and layout and correct anything that falls outside the acceptable limits. Inline editors are good for this but there are other approaches as well. You want to give them the freedom to alter the content to the greatest possible extent so that you can focus on developing new functionality/web parts for them to incorporate into their content, especially now that there is an ever increasing number of sites that will allow companies to create their own sites for relatively low cost. You certainly don't want to constrain your client to the point that they move on to another option. David Phelan Web Developer IT Security Web Technologies Emerging Health Montefiore Information Technology 3 Odell Plaza, Yonkers, NY 10701 914-457-6465 Office 862-234-9109 Cell dphe...@emerginghealthit.com www.emerginghealthit.com www.montefiore.org -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback. I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings and have found them to be serious overkill for all my clients. I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that clients were comfortable with them. Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take care of the styling in advance to keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update verbiage and images. The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've got one more sophisticated client who wants, basically, to be able to change everything. Well, she might as well become a website designer to be able to manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc. I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for the global site manager or custom CMS I'm
RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example
Thanks, Dave. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:09 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Is this always the case with editors that provide style control? Since the editor enters its own tags and styles inline (boo), would this mean that all styling has to come from within the CKEditor and its styles would override my stylesheets? You can customize the style list shown to the user, so that it uses classes you've defined within your CSS stylesheet. Google custom ckeditor styles for more information. This is also covered in the Advanced CF course available from Adobe training partners. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356315 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example
Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback. I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings and have found them to be serious overkill for all my clients. I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that clients were comfortable with them. Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take care of the styling in advance to keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update verbiage and images. The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've got one more sophisticated client who wants, basically, to be able to change everything. Well, she might as well become a website designer to be able to manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc. I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for the global site manager or custom CMS I'm building for my clients currently. I can control the options on the toolbar to keep clients from getting too creative, but make it easy for them to add links, etc., with knowing how to code them. I can keep the CKEditor instances distinct for every form field to accommodate database interaction so I can re-purpose content for email newsletters, etc., and avoid having all content titles, bylines, details, and images all contained within a single database field. I'll have to discuss just exactly what this new client means by control everything on the site. Turning over complete layout and design control to a novice to change the design of a corporate site with my name associated with it is not an option I want to pursue. If she wants that much control, then I'll just consult with them and she can buy a copy of Dreamweaver and use it as a WYSIWYG editor. She wants to be able to add pages to the site, as well, so I may have to develop that functionality, along with on-the-fly menu adaptation for the new pages. Maybe I can just convince her to let me create a new page when she needs one and then turn her loose on the content. It starts to be annoying and a lot of trouble (for which the client doesn't want to pay, typically) when they want to start wanting to get into the kitchen of the website design development restaurant, rather than just placing their order and allowing the chef to do his work. Any other thoughts and/or feedback is still appreciated! Rick -Original Message- From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:25 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example I've spent about 70% of my time over the last 5 years developing in PHP, including developing a customized installation of Joomla for a radio station client that included live streaming and audio archives. I've also rolled a customized CMS through the PHP framework Kohana. I, for one am happy to let go of the content updates and the radio station example allowed the program hosts to manage their own program content, archives, blogs and links to externals. IMHO, as some have mentioned, Joomla is a bloated beast to customize. It does what it does well, though and has a solid role/permission setup and tons of plugin functionality. For a simple 10 page site, though, it's probably too much. For CFML CMS options, I find FarCry to be similarly troublesome to customize (I haven't worked with the newest versions, though) I've played around under the hood with Mura and I find it to be very promising as a CMS platform to build a site around. It's fast and straightforward in the way it approaches what it does. As far as design goes, I've never been able to take a Joomla site with a template and deploy it out-of-the-box. They all need customization, based on the way the client wants to use them. The newest version of Joomla is better for customizing. A customized CMS, whichever you choose, makes clients feel pleased and empowered. You'll still have plenty of work to do fixing the odd mistakes, adding functionality, and helping them through the learning curves. I've found that the more a client interacts with their site, the more valuable it becomes as a business tool and the more requests I get to add functionality and features to help then. Best of luck, Jon -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:26 PM To: cf-talk Subject: SOT: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Hi, guys... Just need some recommendations from some of you who have been down this road before. I have a client that is asking for what amounts to absolute control over their site through a CMS. Among a few others they metioned, Joomla was brought up. I'm checking them out myself, but wanted to cut to the chase based on experience from those who have used CMS's that provide control such as Joomla. What have you tried? What turned out to work well? What bombed? I've always rolled my own
RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example
Thanks, David... Yes, the live content editors are very attractive. Several of the CSM's that I reviewed offer that option. It's very appealing. And it certainly is a balancing-act, trying to provide desired functionality so they don't look elsewhere, but not giving them so much control that they end up making a mess of a site. Rick -Original Message- From: David Phelan [mailto:dphe...@emerginghealthit.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:44 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Rick, Most full-blown CMS solutions allow the clients to add pages to a site whenever desired, they simply select the underlying template (that you develop and provide) for that particular page and go to town creating the content and adding web parts into the areas that you have defined in the template. A WYSIWYG editor is a key ingredient and there are several open source ones out there. I use TinyMCE which is rather simple to configure and provides a good number of options and plugins to choose from and the new version allows for inline editing of the content, though it doesn't sync with the applied CSS to allow users to see the formats they are applying. The ability to upload graphics and documents is also important. Another important thing is allowing the client to preview the updated content within the context of the site before they publish it. This way they can verify that the changes they have made fit the sites theme and layout and correct anything that falls outside the acceptable limits. Inline editors are good for this but there are other approaches as well. You want to give them the freedom to alter the content to the greatest possible extent so that you can focus on developing new functionality/web parts for them to incorporate into their content, especially now that there is an ever increasing number of sites that will allow companies to create their own sites for relatively low cost. You certainly don't want to constrain your client to the point that they move on to another option. David Phelan Web Developer IT Security Web Technologies Emerging Health Montefiore Information Technology 3 Odell Plaza, Yonkers, NY 10701 914-457-6465 Office 862-234-9109 Cell dphe...@emerginghealthit.com www.emerginghealthit.com www.montefiore.org -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 1:42 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example Thanks, Jon and everyone for your feedback. I've look at the various pre-rolled CMS offerings and have found them to be serious overkill for all my clients. I've always created my own CMS for each website I created to insure that clients were comfortable with them. Mostly, I just provide a regular form (never even used CKEditor) and take care of the styling in advance to keep them from destroying the look of their site. They just update verbiage and images. The reason I asked about full-blown CMS options, is that I've got one more sophisticated client who wants, basically, to be able to change everything. Well, she might as well become a website designer to be able to manage everything on the site, including header graphics, etc. I've been tinkering with CKEditor and think that will be a good option for the global site manager or custom CMS I'm building for my clients currently. I can control the options on the toolbar to keep clients from getting too creative, but make it easy for them to add links, etc., with knowing how to code them. I can keep the CKEditor instances distinct for every form field to accommodate database interaction so I can re-purpose content for email newsletters, etc., and avoid having all content titles, bylines, details, and images all contained within a single database field. I'll have to discuss just exactly what this new client means by control everything on the site. Turning over complete layout and design control to a novice to change the design of a corporate site with my name associated with it is not an option I want to pursue. If she wants that much control, then I'll just consult with them and she can buy a copy of Dreamweaver and use it as a WYSIWYG editor. She wants to be able to add pages to the site, as well, so I may have to develop that functionality, along with on-the-fly menu adaptation for the new pages. Maybe I can just convince her to let me create a new page when she needs one and then turn her loose on the content. It starts to be annoying and a lot of trouble (for which the client doesn't want to pay, typically) when they want to start wanting to get into the kitchen of the website design development restaurant, rather than just placing their order and allowing the chef to do his work. Any other thoughts and/or feedback is still appreciated! Rick -Original Message
SOT: Client wants CMS that functions similar to Joomla, for example
Hi, guys... Just need some recommendations from some of you who have been down this road before. I have a client that is asking for what amounts to absolute control over their site through a CMS. Among a few others they metioned, Joomla was brought up. I'm checking them out myself, but wanted to cut to the chase based on experience from those who have used CMS's that provide control such as Joomla. What have you tried? What turned out to work well? What bombed? I've always rolled my own, and never used a ready-made CMS, so I have zero experience with them. (Joomla seems like it replaces me as a designer/developer, at first glance. If a client has a CMS that allows them to do everything that I do for them now, including selecting themes for pages they add to the site themselves (designer), manage data through Joomla functionality (developer), I wonder if I would end up as a Joomla Installer Maintenance person for the client. ???) Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks for any feedback! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356294 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Haven't received any mail lately...
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Re: Haven't received any mail lately...
Thanks, Bruce... On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: Got it. Sent from my iPhone 4S. On Jun 25, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Testing... -- -- Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. Henry Kissinger ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Hi, all... I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the last 10+ years. I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which would, hopefully, not cause me to rely on known practices because they were familiar and understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding. Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already written with enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch each time. On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my code of HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource libraries that I can build upon and reference from within new projects. I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But, again, see my first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this approach. But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what I've found on the Internet and in the CF docs to little avail) trying to get a working method for this approach. I started first by putting my initial components for the project *above* the website's root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of course, immediately got the error, component cannot be found. Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc into an application.cfm in the website root folder. For kicks and giggles, not a real solution, because this approach is fundamentally flawed, I put an application.cfm in the site root folder and used the relative path capability of cfinclude to pull in the application.cfc above the site web root and it's settings into the site's directory structure. Knowing that's not a solution, I continued to dig on the Internet. Nothing has clicked. I think there are too many gaps in my understanding to make sense of everything I'm reading. So, I thought I'd just ask the brains that inhabit the world of CF-Talk and ask for a simple explanation of how to go about accessing cfc's above a website root, that allows those cfc's access to the variables set up in application.cfc when it resides inside the site root directory structure. I'm trying to get this to work in the manner that I access virtually every cfc currently, which is through AJAX functionality in jQuery. I can access a mapped path created in application.cfc using AJAX in this manner: url: location.protocol + '//' + location.host + '/common/coldfusion/form-processing/contact.cfc?method=json' However, the contact.cfc has to reference variables setup in the application.cfc, which exists inside the website root. Unless I place the application.cfc in the same folder as contact.cfc, it doesn't work. So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to contact.cfc under such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve this? Is that what I need to understand and implement or do I need to look into something else? Clues? Breadcrumbs? Thanks for any feedback! Rick -- -- Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. Henry Kissinger ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356043 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Haven't received any mail lately...
Boy, traffic must be really slow... On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:33 AM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: This thing is on. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Testing... -- -- Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. Henry Kissinger ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356046 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use 'extends it is! Thanks, Rick On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is available tot he child. If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would need to put the components in a central location and then adding a mapping to them. On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: Hi, all... I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the last 10+ years. I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which would, hopefully, not cause me to rely on known practices because they were familiar and understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding. Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already written with enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch each time. On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my code of HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource libraries that I can build upon and reference from within new projects. I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But, again, see my first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this approach. But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what I've found on the Internet and in the CF docs to little avail) trying to get a working method for this approach. I started first by putting my initial components for the project *above* the website's root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of course, immediately got the error, component cannot be found. Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc into an application.cfm in the website root folder. For kicks and giggles, not a real solution, because this approach is fundamentally flawed, I put an application.cfm in the site root folder and used the relative path capability of cfinclude to pull in the application.cfc above the site web root and it's settings into the site's directory structure. Knowing that's not a solution, I continued to dig on the Internet. Nothing has clicked. I think there are too many gaps in my understanding to make sense of everything I'm reading. So, I thought I'd just ask the brains that inhabit the world of CF-Talk and ask for a simple explanation of how to go about accessing cfc's above a website root, that allows those cfc's access to the variables set up in application.cfc when it resides inside the site root directory structure. I'm trying to get this to work in the manner that I access virtually every cfc currently, which is through AJAX functionality in jQuery. I can access a mapped path created in application.cfc using AJAX in this manner: url: location.protocol + '//' + location.host + '/common/coldfusion/form-processing/contact.cfc?method=json' However, the contact.cfc has to reference variables setup in the application.cfc, which exists inside the website root. Unless I place the application.cfc in the same folder as contact.cfc, it doesn't work. So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to contact.cfc under such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve this? Is that what I need to understand and implement or do I need to look into something else? Clues? Breadcrumbs? Thanks for any feedback! Rick -- -- Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. Henry Kissinger ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Your understanding is correct, Matt, but I don't see how your
example is relevant.
In my application.cfc, I've got a line that sets an application variable:
cfset application.siteShortDomain = myShortDomain.com
I need that application.siteShortdomain variable available when contact.cfc
runs.
So, how would I go about this?
(I just noticed what Brian and Russ added to the conversation,
and Russ is correct, as you can see from above, that I want to extend
the global application variables that I've set in application.cfc tp all
the other cfc's that are in a common library of cfc's above the website
root.
???
Thanks!
Rick
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:
Hang on a minute. If I understand this correctly
So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
contact.cfc under
such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve this?
... you're thinking about adding `extends=Application` to your
contact.cfc? If that's a correct understanding on my part, then the answer
is: HELL NO! DO NOT USE EXTENDS!
Your CFCs should be self-contained and any outside variables they need
should be passed in as either arguments or properties. Here's a contrived
example.
// foo.cfc
component
{
property name=datasourcename
function init( required string datasourcename )
{
variables.datasourcename = arguments.datasourcename
return this
}
function doQuery()
{
// your query goes here
return mycoolquery
}
}
// test.cfm
foo = createObject( 'component', 'foo' ).init( application.datasourcename )
writeDump( foo.doQuery )
HTH
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use 'extends
it
is!
Thanks,
Rick
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
wrote:
if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is available tot
he
child.
If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would need to
put
the components in a central location and then adding a mapping to them.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hi, all...
I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the last
10+
years.
I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which would,
hopefully,
not cause me to rely on known practices because they were familiar
and
understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding.
Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already written
with
enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch each
time.
On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my code
of
HTML,
CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource
libraries
that I can build upon and reference from within new projects.
I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But,
again,
see
my
first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this approach.
But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what I've
found
on the
Internet and in the CF docs to little avail) trying to get a working
method for this
approach.
I started first by putting my initial components for the project
*above*
the website's
root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of course,
immediately
got the error, component cannot be found.
Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc into an
application.cfm
in the
website root folder. For kicks and giggles, not a real solution,
because
this approach
is fundamentally flawed, I put an application.cfm in the site root
folder
and
used the relative path capability of cfinclude to pull in the
application.cfc above
the site web root and it's settings into the site's directory
structure.
Knowing that's
not a solution, I continued to dig on the Internet. Nothing has
clicked.
I
think there
are too many gaps in my understanding to make sense of everything I'm
reading.
So, I thought I'd just ask the brains that inhabit the world of
CF-Talk
and
ask
for a simple explanation of how to go about accessing cfc's above a
website
root,
that allows those cfc's access to the variables set up in
application.cfc
when it
resides inside the site root directory structure.
I'm trying to get this to work in the manner that I access virtually
every
cfc currently,
which is through AJAX functionality in jQuery. I can access a mapped
path
created
in application.cfc using AJAX in this manner:
url: location.protocol + '//' + location.host +
'/common
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Dave: Is contact.cfc part of the same application as the Application.cfc where the variables are defined? No, I'm trying to figure out a way to have a common library of cfc's, js, etc., that websites I build can reference. I saw in other places around the Internet that it's best to keep code logic outside the webroot. I thought I'd try that. So, contact.cfc is in e:\inetpub\common\coldfusion\form-processing\contact.cfc. The application.cfc is in e:\inetpub\webroot\hdspa-responsive-dev\application.cfc. Since application.siteShortDomain is set in application.cfc, when contact.cfc is accessed via AJAX, contact.cfc has no knowledge of the application.siteShortDomain variable. Just trying to figure out how to make contact.cfc aware of the value of application.siteShortDomain. Rick On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: However, the contact.cfc has to reference variables setup in the application.cfc, which exists inside the website root. Unless I place the application.cfc in the same folder as contact.cfc, it doesn't work. So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to contact.cfc under such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve this? Is that what I need to understand and implement or do I need to look into something else? Is contact.cfc part of the same application as the Application.cfc where the variables are defined? If so, why aren't those variables just part of the Application scope, instead of local variables that get recreated for each page request? Code reuse is very important. But code reuse doesn't just mean invoke one module from another one. It requires that you structure your code appropriately in the first place. I'm not seeing that structure from your description - that doesn't mean there isn't any structure, just that I'm not seeing it in your description. In general, you don't want to use Application.cfc as the parent class for any other class except another Application.cfc - for example, in a subdirectory of the parent application. You don't want to use it as the parent class for other CFCs. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356055 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
From within any file that's part of that application, you can directly reference application.siteShortDomain: cfoutput#application.siteShortDomain#/cfoutput Any file within the same directory, or any subdirectories that don't have their own Application.cfc or Application.cfm files, are part of that application. Thanks, Dave I understand that usage of application variables. The problem here is that the contact.cfc that I need to have access to application.siteShortDomain is outside the directory structure of application.cfc that sets the variable, contact.cfc doesn't have access to it in the normal way. I've set up resource files, such as contact.cfc, which processes contact form information, set up in a separate directory structure outside the webroot, so in other applications I can refer to the contact.cfc for processing contact form information, as well. Just trying to figure out how to setup a library of functionality that I can reference from various websites. Normally, I just copy all the cfc's into a new site's directory structure. I'm just trying to find a way around that. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356064 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Matt, just participate in the conversation without being asinine about it.
I haven't asked anyone to write my code for me. Just looking
for some guidance as to the correct approach.
So, offer your advice in a friendly manner, if you're going to offer
it at all.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:
You do it exactly like I said you do it: Pass it in as either an argument
or a property. When you instantiate your contact.cfc, you pass in
everything it needs from outside in order to do its job.
The example I gave is completely relevant, albeit not an example of your
exact situation. I don't know your exact situation and I'm not going to
write your code for you, but I - along with others here - have definitely
given you all the information you need to apply the principles to your
exact scenario.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
Your understanding is correct, Matt, but I don't see how your
example is relevant.
In my application.cfc, I've got a line that sets an application variable:
cfset application.siteShortDomain = myShortDomain.com
I need that application.siteShortdomain variable available when
contact.cfc
runs.
So, how would I go about this?
(I just noticed what Brian and Russ added to the conversation,
and Russ is correct, as you can see from above, that I want to extend
the global application variables that I've set in application.cfc tp all
the other cfc's that are in a common library of cfc's above the website
root.
???
Thanks!
Rick
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hang on a minute. If I understand this correctly
So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
contact.cfc under
such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve
this?
... you're thinking about adding `extends=Application` to your
contact.cfc? If that's a correct understanding on my part, then the
answer
is: HELL NO! DO NOT USE EXTENDS!
Your CFCs should be self-contained and any outside variables they
need
should be passed in as either arguments or properties. Here's a
contrived
example.
// foo.cfc
component
{
property name=datasourcename
function init( required string datasourcename )
{
variables.datasourcename = arguments.datasourcename
return this
}
function doQuery()
{
// your query goes here
return mycoolquery
}
}
// test.cfm
foo = createObject( 'component', 'foo' ).init(
application.datasourcename )
writeDump( foo.doQuery )
HTH
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use
'extends
it
is!
Thanks,
Rick
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
wrote:
if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is available
tot
he
child.
If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would need
to
put
the components in a central location and then adding a mapping to
them.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hi, all...
I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for the
last
10+
years.
I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which
would,
hopefully,
not cause me to rely on known practices because they were
familiar
and
understood, but always strive to discover better ways of coding.
Now, however, I'm trying to combine reusing code I've already
written
with
enhancing the reused code, instead of writing it from scratch
each
time.
On my latest project I decided to take the dive and structure my
code
of
HTML,
CF, jQuery, and CSS in away that allows me to create resource
libraries
that I can build upon and reference from within new projects.
I know *not* doing it this way sounds nuts to some of you. But,
again,
see
my
first paragraph. There was a method to the madness of this
approach.
But, now I find myself (after days of trying to understand what
I've
found
on the
Internet and in the CF docs to little avail) trying to get a
working
method for this
approach.
I started first by putting my initial components for the project
*above*
the website's
root folder. I knew this was going to be problematic. I, of
course,
immediately
got the error, component cannot be found.
Then, I read about cfincluding an application.cfc
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Thanks, Azadi... I was afraid that or creating CF Admin mappings might end up being the answer. I was trying to find a way of accessing the variables without a lot of setup for each website. But, virtual directories won't be that much to do, since the virtual directories will be the same for each website that needs the functionality they contain. But, will virtual directories put into the directory structure of an app in IIS then have access to global variables such as application variables? I'll have to test that approach. Another alternative might be to send the needed application variables into the AJAX function which accesses the component function as JS variables. That might work... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356066 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Well, the good news is that I can include the application variables in the AJAX post and pass them into the contact.cfc (which is also out of the webroot and in the library) via the AJAX call to contact.cfc. The bad news is, I have to type all those application variables into every AJAX call. But, at least I only have to type them in once for the reusable code! On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Thanks, Azadi... I was afraid that or creating CF Admin mappings might end up being the answer. I was trying to find a way of accessing the variables without a lot of setup for each website. But, virtual directories won't be that much to do, since the virtual directories will be the same for each website that needs the functionality they contain. But, will virtual directories put into the directory structure of an app in IIS then have access to global variables such as application variables? I'll have to test that approach. Another alternative might be to send the needed application variables into the AJAX function which accesses the component function as JS variables. That might work... -- -- Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. Henry Kissinger ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356069 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
sigh No, Matt... I didn't say your example is (not) relevant.
I stated, I don't see how your example is relevant.
See the difference? I put the fault on my part for not understanding your
example.
Your example may be perfectly relevant, but I couldn't see how.
I think you just misread my statement and assumed I was being offensive
about your example. If I had said, your example is not relevant, then that
would be offensive, especially coming from me, someone who is the one
asking everyone for assistance in understanding what I was trying to do!
So, no offense intended...
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.comwrote:
sigh I did. And you flatly stated that my example is (not) relevant. I
was merely pointing out - mostly for those who happen upon this thread
later, since they'll hopefully read and comprehend - that your assessment
is flatly wrong.
Good luck.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Matt, just participate in the conversation without being asinine about
it.
I haven't asked anyone to write my code for me. Just looking
for some guidance as to the correct approach.
So, offer your advice in a friendly manner, if you're going to offer
it at all.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com
wrote:
You do it exactly like I said you do it: Pass it in as either an
argument
or a property. When you instantiate your contact.cfc, you pass in
everything it needs from outside in order to do its job.
The example I gave is completely relevant, albeit not an example of
your
exact situation. I don't know your exact situation and I'm not going to
write your code for you, but I - along with others here - have
definitely
given you all the information you need to apply the principles to your
exact scenario.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
Your understanding is correct, Matt, but I don't see how your
example is relevant.
In my application.cfc, I've got a line that sets an application
variable:
cfset application.siteShortDomain = myShortDomain.com
I need that application.siteShortdomain variable available when
contact.cfc
runs.
So, how would I go about this?
(I just noticed what Brian and Russ added to the conversation,
and Russ is correct, as you can see from above, that I want to extend
the global application variables that I've set in application.cfc tp
all
the other cfc's that are in a common library of cfc's above the
website
root.
???
Thanks!
Rick
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Matt Quackenbush
quackfu...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hang on a minute. If I understand this correctly
So, how do I make the variables from application.cfc available to
contact.cfc under
such a scenario? Does the extends functionality of cfc's solve
this?
... you're thinking about adding `extends=Application` to your
contact.cfc? If that's a correct understanding on my part, then
the
answer
is: HELL NO! DO NOT USE EXTENDS!
Your CFCs should be self-contained and any outside variables they
need
should be passed in as either arguments or properties. Here's a
contrived
example.
// foo.cfc
component
{
property name=datasourcename
function init( required string datasourcename )
{
variables.datasourcename = arguments.datasourcename
return this
}
function doQuery()
{
// your query goes here
return mycoolquery
}
}
// test.cfm
foo = createObject( 'component', 'foo' ).init(
application.datasourcename )
writeDump( foo.doQuery )
HTH
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
Alright, that's the confirmation I needed to proceed. So, use
'extends
it
is!
Thanks,
Rick
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Russ Michaels
r...@michaels.me.uk
wrote:
if you use EXTENDS, then everything in the parent CFC is
available
tot
he
child.
If you want libraries to use on multiple sites, then you would
need
to
put
the components in a central location and then adding a mapping
to
them.
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com
wrote:
Hi, all...
I've been writing code for every project I've worked on for
the
last
10+
years.
I did that purposefully to make myself work in a manner which
would
Re: Best means of setting a library of reusable code
Thanks for that info, Carl... I think I read somewhere about that while researching. I'll take another look and see if I can make that work. It'll beat typing in all the application variables for every call to the cfc's! Rick On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Carl Von Stetten vonner.li...@vonner.netwrote: Rick, I don't know if this will help, but I've read about people creating proxy CFCs in or below the webroot specifically for AJAX requests. Those proxy CFCs either extend the protected CFCs (the ones outside the webroot) or have functions that call the protected CFCs through createObject() or other similar means (which breaks encapsulation, but I think that doing this was thought of as a justifiable exception to encapsulation). You would still need to create mappings to the CFCs that reside outside the webroot, but you likely would have to do that anyway if you use the same CFCs elsewhere in your application. -Carl V. On 6/25/2013 12:03 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Well, the good news is that I can include the application variables in the AJAX post and pass them into the contact.cfc (which is also out of the webroot and in the library) via the AJAX call to contact.cfc. The bad news is, I have to type all those application variables into every AJAX call. But, at least I only have to type them in once for the reusable code! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:356086 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: (ot) what in a ajax page could block a jquery click listener?
It could be anything from a simple spelling error, to a missing character, or any number of problems. You'll to show some code in order for anyone to be able to help. Rick On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:32 PM, morchella morchella.delici...@gmail.comwrote: i am stuck. cant show any code. but most of it is old. tried to stick a simple move multi select box into an existing page that does all sort of ajax call i can figure out. the jq stuff work fine in most/90% of the site just this one page it is confusing me.. may have to re-write the form. sick of ajax and cf7. =] any ideas one what i should look for? a way to catch trap pass what is failing? i appreciate ANY ideas. -m ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355872 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
You guys just get ridiculous in your conversations, which, if you'll pardon the profane verbiage, inevitably is reduced to a pissing contest and a sometimes not-so-subtle attempt to demean others by display of something that's supposed to pass for superior knowledge. It's no wonder that geeks have a reputation for totally lacking people skills, because that's exactly the way many of you act on this list. No tact, but plenty of insulting, off-topic remarks. Russ, I think it's safe to assume that if someone managed to keep a job in IT for 30 years, and even worked as an IT manager that they *probably* know what they're doing? Don't you think? And only *one* person in this entire, mostly ridiculous discussion, has even attempted to answer the question I asked to start with, Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing something else, like using Google Apps for Business. And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. Perhaps should anoint a few of you know-it-alls to be a CF-Talk Advice and Solution Panel. Those of us who aren't smart enough to make the cut for that panel can then bring offerings, explain our situation, and wait for you the panel to dispense its wisdom as to how we should proceed. But, imagine! Some might dare to ask a question that by-passes the panel's usual modus operandi, come up with an idea on our own, and ask a question that seeks an answer to just a simple-minded question. But this happens all the time on this list. Many questions that are posed get no real answer; instead they get a list of replies that typically sound like this: I don't know what you're trying to accomplish, but you should... and a solution is offered that doesn't address the original question. Well, if you don't know what I'm trying to accomplish, or if you do, but don't know how to solve it, just keep your mouth shut. Or offer solutions only to the OP's questions. Stop trying to push the OP towards something *YOU* prefer. If I wanted to know what solutions existed, I'd ask that question. Or I can ask that question instead: Are there any existing solutions that offer an email archiving system that I should consider?. But that's not what I asked. I've already looked at Google Apps for Business and had decided that I didn't like what I saw; found the solution overkill for what my client needs.. they need email, not email + calendar + drive + docs, etc., etc. Some of that has already been offered to my client and they didn't want it. It just might be, MIGHT BE, that I know my clients and what they need better that you wanna-be CF gods who quickly avoid answering OP questions and start imparting unsolicited wisdom. The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs. AND some of us might have the audacity (hate to use that word because leaves a very bad taste in my mouth because of the idiot in the white house), to think we might be able to build a custom solution to our own problems that Google, or any other vendor can't come close to. Advice for those of you on high who seek to impart your wisdom from Mt. Olympus to us mere mortals: Answer the original, and *only* the original question. If the OP wants to go in another direction with the discussion, then let them. But don't hi-jack a thread with alternatives until the OP asks. At that point we won't have all this damned useless discussion. Thanks for NOT answering my question. I've gotten almost no helpful information from this entire conversation, in spite of its tremendous length. Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:23 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Not sure what working in it for 30 years has to do with the topic, this tells us you had a job in a specific area for a certain time thats all, it certainly doesn't mean you know everything there is to know about i.t, or that you were even good at it. Regards Russ Michaels
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I can tinker with that approach, and it might prove beneficial. But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send. Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text message conversation easily, because my replies are automatically displayed in-line with the other persons responses. Email should work the same way. I shouldn't have to filter or search or anything else to be able to view an entire conversation. We seem to be stuck in the paradigm of thinking email users should store replies in various folders. And in order to get my response into the conversation, I have to go to a Sent Items folder and each time manually copy my replies into a particular folder. Even a basic setup that includes all parts of a conversation, like this email list, is preferable to anything I've found in current offerings. And it should be relatively easy to build. Just have CF manage that emails behind the scenes as the conversation flows. Then, should I want to review or send a *complete* conversation to someone else, I can simply refer to what CF has created for me. It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation. It's time for a new approach. That's what I'm trying to accomplish and what led to my original question. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Going back to the original question, one thing we use is http://highrisehq.com/ which basically by BCC'ing an email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against that client. Would that help? I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. Sincerely Mark Drew On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355481 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Some good suggestions, Mark, that address the original question. ;o) I've used POP hooks (if I know what you're referencing), as I described in a earlier post, to based on a scheduled task that ran every 10 minutes or so, and check a third-party email provider to see if an email with a specific email had been delivered. If that email had arrived, it triggered other scheduled tasks that could be run only after the email had arrived, since that told the scheduled tasks that certain data was ready from a third-party, for me to download and process. This just automated the process of having to check the third-party email for the specific message's presence with my intervention at any point. During work on that little project, I realized that CF had great potential for handling email, not only as a sending mechanism, but in parsing, storing, etc., email. And to your point of creating conversation with some sort of unique piece of data common to only appropriate threads: Some earlier mentioned using a message id as that item that I could link only appropriate messages, rather than relying on subject, as Outlook does. Several have mentioned IMAP, so I need to do some research on it's potential. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I see what you mean now and yeah, that shouldn't be *too* hard to build. If I had to solve this I would look into either IMAP or POP hooks into the mail server. THen import that into a database for example, so it can be queried. The problem with your SMS Vs Email analogy is that (on my iPhone anyway) my message history is by person. In email, the history is by conversation (or subject line) which you need some parsing to get that they are related and then more parsing to remove replies. There are some things that can help, for example (in Railo anyway) there is a EMail Event Handler that will trigger actions when a new email has arrived into your POP mailbox. You could extend it to work with IMAP for example and search in the Sent folder? I would really have to look at the options you have with your mail server. The NEXT thing (and if I recall, I think Russ mentioned this to me a long while back) could be actually creating a SMTP/POP EventGateway that then stores emails and what have you . Or find a SMTP/POP server that has an API that you can then work with, of which I don't know any. Anyway, just some thoughts that I am sure you have also had. Regards Mark Drew On 18 Apr 2013, at 12:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I can tinker with that approach, and it might prove beneficial. But I am really after an automated setup that creates a storage system for original-topic emails, along with the replies I send. Much like text messaging provides currently. I can follow a text message conversation easily, because my replies are automatically displayed in-line with the other persons responses. Email should work the same way. I shouldn't have to filter or search or anything else to be able to view an entire conversation. We seem to be stuck in the paradigm of thinking email users should store replies in various folders. And in order to get my response into the conversation, I have to go to a Sent Items folder and each time manually copy my replies into a particular folder. Even a basic setup that includes all parts of a conversation, like this email list, is preferable to anything I've found in current offerings. And it should be relatively easy to build. Just have CF manage that emails behind the scenes as the conversation flows. Then, should I want to review or send a *complete* conversation to someone else, I can simply refer to what CF has created for me. It's ridiculously complex to try to reassemble an email conversation. It's time for a new approach. That's what I'm trying to accomplish and what led to my original question. Rick -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:mark.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:40 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Going back to the original question, one thing we use is http://highrisehq.com/ which basically by BCC'ing an email in every reply you do (or forwarding an email) it can be stored against that client. Would that help? I know it's not automatic, but then again, I am not sure of your goals. Sincerely Mark Drew On 16 Apr 2013, at 02:04, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I've got to think this through so I can understand how this would work. But first, this organization is in another state, so I don't have control over their clients (I control their accounts, where, I guess I could set a BCC...really haven't checked on it, so I don't remember). And, realize, I'm not trying to keep an archive of my *clients* email conversations, I'm just wanting to do this for myself. If it works for me, I may polish it up and offer it as a service to them. In the kind of organization I'm talking about, almost everyone right now wants their email archived. ;o) It get's contentious at times there. However, for right now, it's just for me. And, frankly, I enjoy the challenge of developing a solution that can completely control. I like re-inventing the wheel. It's challenging and I learn a lot from the work. But keep the on-topic suggestions and thoughts coming! Rick PS - And Dave, you'll be glad to know that I'm signing up for a trial Google Apps for Business account just to fully explore its potential. -Original Message- From: mac jordan [mailto:mac.jor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:27 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) ââ¬â¹Am I missing something?ââ¬â¹ Just set their mail clients up to auto bcc themselves! -- mac jordan www.kestrel.org | www.reactivecooking.com | www.jordan-cats.org twitter: @ramtops ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355488 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
You should stick to answering the question asked and only the question asked and not offer alternatives unless the OP asks for them. I appreciate the offer to share the alternatives, but please try to not assume that OP's haven't already looked at alternatives and decided to go their own way. I've learned over the years, that I can almost always create a solution in some areas that is better *for me* than anything any other company including Apple, Google, or Microsoft can create, simply because I create only what need, in exactly the way I need it. I haven't been able to get Apple, Adobe, Google, or Microsoft to pay much attention to my requests. ;o) The other reason I like to re-invent the wheel is that I learn new things. Always a plus. So, it's not always about the conventional best solution or a convenient ready-made solution. It's what suits my motivations most closely. Anyway, once I heard, before this conversation, that Google Apps for Business was $5 per user, it didn't matter how great it was; for a non-profit USO just getting started, an 10-fold increase PER MONTH was not an acceptable alternative. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:37 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I do think you have rather thrown the toys out of the pram here over mine and Dave's Google Apps answers when we were only answering your questions and correcting your misconceptions. One thing that happens often in the world of CF and on this list is that people try to use CFML for everything and thus for tasks it is really not a best fit for. So it would be pretty a poor community if everyone just said here is how to do it in CF without advising you there were better ways to do, or that you are trying to re-invent the wheel. I clearly know a lot more about GApps than you, and Dave knows more than me, so obviously we wouldn't just sit here and let you think it cannot do what you want when it clearly can. On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: You guys just get ridiculous in your conversations, which, if you'll pardon the profane verbiage, inevitably is reduced to a pissing contest and a sometimes not-so-subtle attempt to demean others by display of something that's supposed to pass for superior knowledge. It's no wonder that geeks have a reputation for totally lacking people skills, because that's exactly the way many of you act on this list. No tact, but plenty of insulting, off-topic remarks. You are right that sometimes things do go way off topic and sometimes people are a bit holier than thou, but sometimes it is also warranted. Russ, I think it's safe to assume that if someone managed to keep a job in IT for 30 years, and even worked as an IT manager that they *probably* know what they're doing? Don't you think? Absolutely not, and that misconception is precisely why people say that. I have known many people who have worked in I.T, accounting, been developers, etc their whole life, but are really not very good at it, but can still get jobs none the less. Sure that is not true for everyone, but it is a pointless statement as it means nothing and mostly people say it just to shut you up. Cowboy builders convince people to hire them simply by saying I have been doing this for x years, and their victim then blindly assumes that must mean they are good at it. And only *one* person in this entire, mostly ridiculous discussion, has even attempted to answer the question I asked to start with, Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? ... The rest has been an exercise in attempting to tell me that I should be doing something else, like using Google Apps for Business. Actually that is not the case. The only reason the Google Apps discussion went on is because you said it can't do x and y so we simply pointed out that it can in fact do x and y so does indeed meet your requirements. And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. You found it unsuitable because as you have shown you did not know how to use or how it worked, thus your misconception The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
And, again, offer what only is asked for, nothing else. Don't take an OP's specific topic OT. If you don't think the OP should consider an alternative, I suggest you wait until the ask. It's not my mailing list, but neither is it yours. I just watch these simple topics devolve into totally OT wrestling matches for no good reason, often leaving the OP still stranded. And I never mentioned you by name as one who wasn't self-employed. If the shoe doesn't fit... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:39 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And Dave, talk about OT! Suggesting I use Google Apps, or anything else, instead of even attempting to answer my question, isn't acceptable to this OP. I've had already looked at Gmail and found it unsuitable. And to suggest that you know best what my clients' need that I do, is terribly presumptuous. You stated a set of requirements, and I pointed out that Apps met your requirements. You listed a bunch of reasons you found it unsuitable, and I pointed out the reasons you listed (selecting and deleting emails, etc) weren't valid. I don't know anything about your clients, but I do know that the problem you described, as you described it, can easily be solved by using Apps. I don't really care what you do with that information, but when you post a question to a public list you should expect that people will provide all kinds of answers to those questions. You may not like those answers. That's ok, you're free to disregard them. But if you post responses that say x isn't a suitable solution because of y, and y is not actually correct, people will tell you that. If you'd just said I'm not interested in Google Apps without stating specific and incorrect justifications, that would have been the end of it. The client's needs that I'm trying to address happens to be a NON-PROFIT USO organization who is trying to find solutions while keeping the cost at a minimum. And going from $50 per month to $500 per month for email isn't a wise use of their funds. Some of you who have to work as employees instead of having the skill-set (including the aforementioned people skills) to run your own business where you have to manage relationships with people, may think that if a business is *worthy* to exist, then it should prove it by purchasing costly and wasteful solutions to problems. But some organizations, and even for-profit businesses, prefer to try to find the least-expensive, yet effective solutions to meet their needs. Fortunately for your nonprofit client, they can use Apps for Nonprofits for free. I recently set up Apps for a Catholic diocese to get them off of GroupWise, and they paid nothing. And based on your responses here, I'm not sure I'd be talking up my great people skills if I were you. But I do just fine managing relationships with people, and have not been anyone's employee for many, many years. Thanks for asking! AND some of us might have the audacity (hate to use that word because leaves a very bad taste in my mouth because of the idiot in the white house), to think we might be able to build a custom solution to our own problems that Google, or any other vendor can't come close to. First, this is probably not the appropriate venue for us to air our political beliefs. Second, maybe you can build a custom solution that ... whatever. But you originally stated a pretty simple problem, and I provided a simple solution to that problem. I'm sorry that's got you so flustered, but my advice to you is to get over it. Advice for those of you on high who seek to impart your wisdom from Mt. Olympus to us mere mortals: Answer the original, and *only* the original question. If the OP wants to go in another direction with the discussion, then let them. But don't hi-jack a thread with alternatives until the OP asks. At that point we won't have all this damned useless discussion. I had no idea this was your mailing list. I thought it was a public mailing list. I'm going to have to ignore your advice. It's bad advice. People ask all sorts of questions about how to do things, and sometimes those questions aren't really the right questions to ask. Imagine if someone posted on here that they wanted to save their client money, but they wanted to build something that worked just like ColdFusion or Railo etc and did not want to use ColdFusion or Railo themselves. Wouldn't you feel inclined to point out that these already existed? Would that be a wrong answer? My advice, in turn, to you is that if you don't like free advice, ask for your money back. And if you don't want a discussion to continue, don't respond - especially with things that are factually incorrect. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
And that's exactly to my point... When I ask a specific question, I only want answers that address that specific question. If it turns out *to me* that the solution I'm considering is wrong, then it's up to me to change my mind. I don't take anyone's advice as unassailable. If we all did that, nothing new would ever be done. When I get ready to entertain alternative solutions, I'll ask for them. Until then, the only topic to respond to is Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And by that question I'm asking for people's experience, but only in the scope creating an email archive with CF, not quickly dismissing the approach as wrong or offering alternative solutions. If I wanted those answers, I would have asked, Is it wrong or a waste of time to attempt to develop an email archive system with CF? or What are the alternative solutions to developing my own email archive system with CF? Very specific questions. I just don't like it when people immediately try to hi-jack the thread based on their own experience and wisdom. For all I know, a CF solution has the potential to be perfect and those trying to dissuade me from that approach just didn't do it right and failed. I'm just hard-headed that way. But it's my post; people should stick close to the subject with replies and let *me* expand the scope if I want to. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Thanks for NOT answering my question. I've gotten almost no helpful information from this entire conversation, in spite of its tremendous length. Rick - Please take this in the most constructive way possible. You asked a question, got a overwhelmingly consistant answer from the entire list that you're doing it wrong. Now you are being somewhat unreasonably upset about that answer (considering you asked for input). You seem very fixated on a very very specific solution to a problem when you may be better served to have a wide open mind and listen to all opinions. Sometimes if everyone around you is saying you're doing it wrong, then there is nothing more to it than just that. Often I talk to clients who start by telling me what they think the solution to their problem is. Sometimes it's a good solution, but often (usually due to their inexperience), it's not really the best solution for their problem. Instead I try to ask them to tell me their *problem*, not their *solution*. Until the client can let go of their preconceived notions of what *they* think the best solution is, we really aren't giving them the best work that we can. Take a step back and look at the question you were asking. You are prescribing a solution not presenting a problem. Many on the list are trying to stop you from making that mistake and moving you back to the actual problem you are trying to solve. Your root problem is one that most of the people on this list also have dealt with at some point. As a result, the overwhelming majority of people have told you how they solved that root problem, and why they chose that solution over the one you are suggesting. Now, you can (and are apparently) holding steadfast to your one single prescribed solution, and I wish you the best of luck with that. However, you have asked a community of peers for advice, and then aggressively (and rudely) rejected the overwhelmingly consistant advise of you're doing it wrong. Good luck out there. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355492 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
if you're going to suggest Apps for Nonprofits (free) to your client you might want to familiarize yourself with them. Absolutely... But like, I said, for now, this is just for me. My client hasn't asked me for an archiving system. They're just handling that individually. I just wanted something that work the way I want it to, hence the desire to develop a customized solution. (Which may, like many other ideas, turn out to be more than I bargained for.) However, knowing what I do already about CFMail, it has the potential to do what I want relatively easily. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:01 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And, realize, I'm not trying to keep an archive of my *clients* email conversations, I'm just wanting to do this for myself. If it works for me, I may polish it up and offer it as a service to them. In the kind of organization I'm talking about, almost everyone right now wants their email archived. ;o) It get's contentious at times there. Do they want this just to be able to read old email? Or do they have specific requirements for archiving? Archiving for the purposes of those requirements can be a bit tough to implement - you might, for example, have to support nonrepudiation, etc. I would definitely recommend that you use a hosted solution for that, if that's what they need. Google has one (of course!) but so do lots of other vendors, and if you're not using Apps you might want to go with one of those other vendors. Those solutions tend not to be inexpensive, however. PS - And Dave, you'll be glad to know that I'm signing up for a trial Google Apps for Business account just to fully explore its potential. Good for you! If you have questions about Apps, feel free to send them off-list. Their trials are only thirty days, so you kind of have to dedicate some serious time to evaluate things. Also, there are some very minor differences between Apps for Business and Apps for Nonprofits. They're pretty minor, but if you're going to suggest Apps for Nonprofits (free) to your client you might want to familiarize yourself with them. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355495 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Yes, you're going to make this your list under all circumstances. I'm not your client asking for your advice to a problem. I'm asking for any one's experience with a specific approach to a problem. You should respect my question. Yes, I can ignore your responses, but only after wading through your response. You are an intelligent commenter, but I only want what I ask for, not what you think I need. Let me make my mistakes, then maybe I can grow up and become a big-boy CF programmer. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:09 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? And, again, offer what only is asked for, nothing else. Don't take an OP's specific topic OT. If you don't think the OP should consider an alternative, I suggest you wait until the ask. It's not my mailing list, but neither is it yours. Again, I'm sorry, but no. I refuse to do that. I get questions all the time where the best answer is, basically, don't do that. If you post questions to a public mailing list, you will simply have to accept that people will answer those questions from their own perspectives. That's the price of asking for help on a mailing list. You don't get to dictate how people will respond. You do get to choose to ignore the responses that don't interest you. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355496 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Yes, I will definitely give it a good look now that I know it's a potential free solution for the USO. Thanks for the info! Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:56 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Rick Did you notice several emails back I mentioned that gapps is free for non profits? You said many times you primarily didn't want gapps bcoz it costs money, why not at least give it a try now that you know its free and that all your aforementioned complaints have now been proved wrong. Surely that would be mote productive that keep having a go at everyone? Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 18, 2013 6:44 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Yes, you're going to make this your list under all circumstances. No, but I'm going to respond to questions as I see fit. Those are not the same thing. I'm asking for any one's experience with a specific approach to a problem. You should respect my question. Well, since you put it that way: in your original question, you said you'd tried The Brain, Evernote and OneNote. So it strikes me as logical to presume you were open to non-CF solutions. I responded with my suggestion about Apps, and then you replied asking more questions about it. It wasn't until quite deep in the thread that you appeared to get upset about people offering non-CF solutions. But I think I've learned my lesson from this thread. So good luck to you with whatever solutions you choose in the future. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355499 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355463 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
No, I've been through Gmail and Outlook.com, the two I'd considering to handle my mail. They didn't satisfy. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:34 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? Really? It sounds like you haven't even tried any of the solutions you are so strongly against. Suddenly this entire conversation feels like a giant waste of time. -Cameron On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Now, I can't say this for ALL interfaces, even Gmail, without some research, which I don't want to do for the sake a constructive discussion, but most of the time, I've found that I have to delete emails by checking their box or by clicking delete. In Outlook, for example, I can run down a few dozen emails and save those I want to folders, and just hit the delete key to get rid of those I don't want to save. Very fast. (Perhaps I tried the Delete key on the web interfaces, perhaps not... not sure) Yes, I can review subjects and check boxes as I go, then delete those I don't want to read, but, if I recall correctly, if I check emails for deletion, but then decide to read one after checking said boxes, then when I return to the view displaying the subject line, the previously checked boxes are typically unchecked, requiring me to re-check the emails for deletion. I would prefer an AJAX solution with a little red X that I click and the email fades away. But my discussion began with a concern about being able to archive conversations, in conversation view (and yes, I would like the archive to display by Message ID, and not by Subject as Outlook does. It's HIGHLY ANNOYING when all messages with the same subject like Website get lumped into the same conversation. -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote: Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? I find that is definitely does outperform it. Opening Chrome with GMail as a default tab is faster then opening Outlook. Searching my mail is WAY faster in GMail than in outlook. Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. I thought the entire point of this thread started because you didn't want to delete things, you wanted to KEEP things. Once I started using GMail I pretty much stopped deleting emails entirely unless they were friendly spam like monthly newsletters. But, at times when I do want to delete things, say to make more space in my account, it's very easy to search for all messages with attachments larger than X, and then select all delete all. What is it about deleting in a web interface that annoys you? I don't understand. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355466 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355428 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! I get SmarterMail 11 Professional, which includes up to 250 users or domains included with my Virtual Dedicated Server. I've found all the online interfaces; outlook.com, gmail, and even SmarterMail to be slower when it comes to handling mail than desktop outlook. There's no way an online service can compete with locally installed software that I've found. If an online server can keep up with locally installed software, then there's probably something wrong with the local installation. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:30 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? current versions of outlook do conversation threading, however it threads base don the subject, so any emails that have the same subject end up in the same conversation, so it isn't very good. why they don't use the MessageId I do not know. Gmail/Google Apps takes some getting used to if your switching from Outlook, it is just like switching IDE's, you just have to give it some time. Outlook is so slow and clunky by comparison. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355433 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I will take a look at all that my clients would gain with Google Apps, but all that they require at the moment is email service. The other benefits of Google Apps, except for a consolidated calendar, at this point, would be superfluous. I'll check out Google Business Apps a little closer and see what all it offers. However, I do have issues with Outlook slowing down at times and even crashing on the rare occasion, but it far faster than Gmail's online interface by far, at least in my experience. Are you saying that your Gmail, through the Gmail browser interface out-performs a locally installed, copy of Outlook? Just one annoyance with online interfaces is the trying to delete emails. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:36 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I was only referring to Gmail not other webmail interfaces, which I have found quicker and more responsive than Outlook. Outlook is a slugish monster and prone to crashing, always has been and is well known for it. You cannot really compare your Smartermail Server to Google Apps, that is like comparing a word processor App to Microsoft Office or a 1 bed apartment to a 5 bed house. You should go and take a look at what Google Apps actually is, as you are clearly under the impression is is just basic email, which is so not the case. For what you get, $5 per user is incredibly cheap. Clearly it is not suitable for you or your client who is obviously very low budget, but you should at least research the facts before making invalid judgements or comparisons, you may find other clients for which this is suitable, which would be a potential lost sale if you don't know the facts. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: But again, with business class Gmail/Google Apps, we're talking about $5 per unique email address which would run me $500 per month for my email users. A quite ridiculous cost! I get SmarterMail 11 Professional, which includes up to 250 users or domains included with my Virtual Dedicated Server. I've found all the online interfaces; outlook.com, gmail, and even SmarterMail to be slower when it comes to handling mail than desktop outlook. There's no way an online service can compete with locally installed software that I've found. If an online server can keep up with locally installed software, then there's probably something wrong with the local installation. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:30 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? current versions of outlook do conversation threading, however it threads base don the subject, so any emails that have the same subject end up in the same conversation, so it isn't very good. why they don't use the MessageId I do not know. Gmail/Google Apps takes some getting used to if your switching from Outlook, it is just like switching IDE's, you just have to give it some time. Outlook is so slow and clunky by comparison. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I assume by conversation view you mean that also includes my replies? I have used the conventional conversation view that only show emails received within a grouping by conversation, but my replies still only go to my Sent Items box. I'm still running Outlook 2007, however, but recently tried Outlook.com. I didn't like that experience very well, at first taste, anyway. I've tried regular Gmail as well, but have never come to prefer an online interface for various reasons. Gmail for business may be much better for my purposes, but at $5 per month per distinct email address, that a killer cost compared to what I charge my clients now. They'd never go for that. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. I think newer versions of Outlook support conversation view. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I can give that a try... thanks for the suggestion, Bobby! -Original Message- From: Bobby [mailto:bo...@acoderslife.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:25 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? How about BCC to a designated box? On 4/15/13 9:04 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355448 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355415 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
Thanks for the reply, Dave... When you say you use Google Apps, do you mean Gmail? Or are you running an email server (I use SmarterMail) that somehow works with a Google App to archive email? Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 9:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? I've been trying to find a good way to store email *from* AND *to* my clients. (you know, create that really handy paper trail you need sometimes...) I've tried all sorts of ways from The Brain to Evernote to One Note, but nothing works easily or automatically. Just wondering if anyone has tried this. I found nothing about it when searching the Internet. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I just do this in Google Apps. I have labels for each client, and filters to mark incoming mail from clients and outgoing mail to them as belonging to the appropriate client. I can pull up all communication with any given client in seconds. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355418 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF?
I've never done much with CFMail, except its main function of sending mail, but I did code a function one time to trigger a series of scheduled tasks based on the receipt of an email with a particular subject line. It was quite handy in that situation. When that email was received, I knew that data was ready from a third party for FTP download and processing on my end. I didn't have to worry about the scheduled task firing if the data was delayed or keep checking the data and manually firing the scheduled task. I remember from that experience at CF could handle quite a lot of various email functionality based on its ability to handle the various parts of an email message. I thought perhaps I could create a way to archive email that I receive and send. That's a real irritation, that I can't get my mail in conversational style that includes my sent messages. At least not in Outlook, that I'm aware of. Any suggestions as to an approach for this are welcome! Rick -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:08 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone ever created their own email archive with CF? On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Dave Watts wrote: I'm not sure what you're looking for here. I just do this in Google Apps. I have labels for each client, and filters to mark incoming mail from clients and outgoing mail to them as belonging to the appropriate client. I can pull up all communication with any given client in seconds. +1, but I don't even bother applying labels. Google's email search is just so damn easy. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355419 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Large amounts of CF email
Google Apps is $5 per user per month or $50 per user per year? And Google defines a user as a distinct email inbox. Wow, I'm running SmarterMail 11 that came free with my Virtual Dedicated Server with CF9. Google would cost me about $500 per month! I can do the extra work for that kind of money! http://www.google.com/intl/en/enterprise/apps/business/pricing.html Rick -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Large amounts of CF email I would still recommend sendgrid if the emails your clients send are important and you want tracking and reporting and bounce processing to make sure the mails reach their recipients. You also need to consider spam blacklists,.do you regularly check them to make sure your not listed? Do you want all the hassle of dealing with that with your own smtp server? If none of this matters to you and you ate happy to run your own smtp server them smartermail free edition or hmailserver will do the job. Also look at phplist as a mailing list manager. As for hosting incoming mail, I would suggest using google apps or office365, running your own mailserver can be a lot of work and.does require intimate knowledge of dns, spf, spam, back scatter, dnsbl, loop backs, spoofing, etc to do it properly, and google apps and office365 are better than anything you can offer anyway, with bells on. If you do decide to do it yourself then I suggest a separate server for mail, unless your only doing smtp then what you have is fine for that qty of mail. Remember the more services you put on same server the more you create a single point of failure that will take everything down in one go. You could certainly take dns out of the equation, dns comes free with all domain registrars, the main benefit to run your own dns is if you allow your clients to manage it via a hosting control panel if you manage dns manually then you.you can do the same via your registrar, or use a service like nettica. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 7:45 PM, Michael Muller mich...@mullertech.com wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Large amounts of CF email
And, Russ, I guess you're talking about MS Office Exchange Web App? If so, that would be $4.00 per user per month. That would cost me about $400 per month. Whew! -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:30 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Large amounts of CF email I would still recommend sendgrid if the emails your clients send are important and you want tracking and reporting and bounce processing to make sure the mails reach their recipients. You also need to consider spam blacklists,.do you regularly check them to make sure your not listed? Do you want all the hassle of dealing with that with your own smtp server? If none of this matters to you and you ate happy to run your own smtp server them smartermail free edition or hmailserver will do the job. Also look at phplist as a mailing list manager. As for hosting incoming mail, I would suggest using google apps or office365, running your own mailserver can be a lot of work and.does require intimate knowledge of dns, spf, spam, back scatter, dnsbl, loop backs, spoofing, etc to do it properly, and google apps and office365 are better than anything you can offer anyway, with bells on. If you do decide to do it yourself then I suggest a separate server for mail, unless your only doing smtp then what you have is fine for that qty of mail. Remember the more services you put on same server the more you create a single point of failure that will take everything down in one go. You could certainly take dns out of the equation, dns comes free with all domain registrars, the main benefit to run your own dns is if you allow your clients to manage it via a hosting control panel if you manage dns manually then you.you can do the same via your registrar, or use a service like nettica. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 11, 2013 7:45 PM, Michael Muller mich...@mullertech.com wrote: Hey all, Ok, so I'm all set on the question of SPF etc. Here's another one. I am taking on a client who has an existing CF application. It's one of those 30%-off coupon things. They have a dedicated server right now that holds CF/SQL/SmarterMail all on one box. They send out a little over 100,000 emails a month. My existing setup is two cloud-based servers at Enterhost: CF/DNS on one, and SQL/SmarterMail/DNS on the other. I do not want to add the extra email burden to my system. I already send out about 50,000 emails a month from about 170 websites, not including the POP personal / business emails of 75 of those clients. The current concept is for me to get another server specifically for their email delivery, and to move their app to my CF machine and their database to my SQL machine. With the extra email-only server I get SmarterMail, though I'm not sure that's the best tool for delivering large amounts of email from CF. I saw that Russ Michaels mentioned sendgrid.net in a post a couple days ago about CFMAIL dropping some emails. This client knows that their needs are going to grow beyond the 300,000 ($200/mo) limit in a short amount of time, and so that will turn into an expensive solution eventually. So, if I stick with the new cloud server just for this one client's email delivery... am I setting this up right? 1. Their app on my CF server with hard-coded SERVER (see 3. below) in all CFMAIL tags 2. Their DB on my SQL server 3. Their own SM server (see 1. above) Is there a better email delivery option from CF, and if so how would you integrate the two onto the on box so the customer can also get their own email at their domain? I'm curious for my own needs as well. Is there a better way to set up the boxes? I know this sounds like fundamental stuff, but I'd love any opinions people may want to volunteer (including what are you crazy?!). Thanks, MM Michael Muller -- (413) 320-5336 http://MontagueWebWorks.com ** Powered by ROCKETFUSION ** Information is not knowledge Knowledge is not wisdom Eschew Obfuscation ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355378 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: How can I view arguments in a CFC on-screen?
When I put this inside a function of a CFC, right after thearguments declarations: cfdump var = '#arguments#' output='e:\dump.html' format='html'orcfdump var = '#arguments#' output='console' format='text' I get this error message from CF: Context validation error for the cffunction tag. The start tag must have a matching end tag. An explicit end tag can be provided by adding lt;/cffunctiongt;. If the body of the tag is empty, \you can use the shortcut lt;cffunction .../ It's as if the cfdump is causing CF not to recognize the closing /cffunction tag. Am I putting the cfdump in the wrong place in the method?Thanks!Rick To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: How can I view arguments in a CFC on-screen? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:06:31 -0400 From: dswit...@pengoworks.com Use the step debugger. On Monday, April 1, 2013, Russ Michaels wrote: Dump them all to a file, then view the file. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 1, 2013 6:36 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comjavascript:; wrote: I wouldn't think this would be that difficult! Normally, I would include variables in a struct (when I'm using AJAX, whichis almost always) and view the variables when they're returned to the calling page. However, there are times, like right now, when I just want to have a look at allthe argument variables that a CFC is receiving and verify their accuracy. Isn't there an easy way to do this? I'm using CF 9. Thanks! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355222 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: How can I view arguments in a CFC on-screen?
The way I finally got to view the arguments sent to the CFC methodwas by simply assigning the arguments to the struct I created: cfset authorizeStruct = structNew() / cfset authorizeStruct.ARGUMENTS = '#arguments#' / cfreturn authorizeStruct / That put a halt to all further processing in the method, which is good,and sent back the name pairs in JSON so I could view them in the console. From: r...@whitestonemedia.com To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: How can I view arguments in a CFC on-screen? Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 10:39:18 -0400 When I put this inside a function of a CFC, right after the arguments declarations: cfdump var = '#arguments#' output='e:\dump.html' format='html' or cfdump var = '#arguments#' output='console' format='text' I get this error message from CF: Context validation error for the cffunction tag. The start tag must have a matching end tag. An explicit end tag can be provided by adding lt;/cffunctiongt;. If the body of the tag is empty, \you can use the shortcut lt;cffunction .../ It's as if the cfdump is causing CF not to recognize the closing /cffunction tag. Am I putting the cfdump in the wrong place in the method?Thanks!Rick To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: How can I view arguments in a CFC on-screen? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 19:06:31 -0400 From: dswit...@pengoworks.com Use the step debugger. On Monday, April 1, 2013, Russ Michaels wrote: Dump them all to a file, then view the file. Regards Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk www.cfmldeveloper.com - Free CFML hosting for developers www.cfsearch.com - CF search engine On Apr 1, 2013 6:36 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comjavascript:; wrote: I wouldn't think this would be that difficult! Normally, I would include variables in a struct (when I'm using AJAX, whichis almost always) and view the variables when they're returned to the calling page. However, there are times, like right now, when I just want to have a look at allthe argument variables that a CFC is receiving and verify their accuracy. Isn't there an easy way to do this? I'm using CF 9. Thanks! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355223 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: PCI-Compliance Ding for Non-Random CFID's
Thanks for the info, Pete. That should satisfy the compliance company that ColdFusion'scombination of CFID and CF-Token are, indeed, truly randomand meets their requirements. Rick To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: PCI-Compliance Ding for Non-Random CFID's Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 11:34:55 -0400 From: p...@foundeo.com On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Thanks for the reply, Pete... If I remember all of the conversation correctly, when we came to the dingfor consecutive session variables, the scanning vendor rep did mention thefact that a CFToken was involved and that made a difference. I did look upthe information on this in the docs (CF9) and it did mention changing theCFToken to a long format (I didn't want to say UUID because, withoutlooking it up, I wasn't sure that's the way it was labeled). Yes it is labeled use UUID for CFTOKEN in ColdFusion administrator, but it is actually more than just a UUID in modern versions of ColdFusion, for example it might look like this: 545fa4955f796cd4-AF350107-CF9E-E638-A240BBF644B48476 ^ (Random) ^ (UUID) Which contains a random value (which I believe is also generated using a secure random generator like the jsessionid) concatenated with a UUID. -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355212 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
How can I view arguments in a CFC on-screen?
I wouldn't think this would be that difficult! Normally, I would include variables in a struct (when I'm using AJAX, whichis almost always) and view the variables when they're returned to the calling page. However, there are times, like right now, when I just want to have a look at allthe argument variables that a CFC is receiving and verify their accuracy. Isn't there an easy way to do this? I'm using CF 9. Thanks! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355213 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Has anyone dealing with PCI-Compliance seem this?
I've been trying to deal with security scans and getting my serverup to PCI-Compliance standards. One ding that has been an issue from the start has involvedwhat the scan refers to as dced. The first support tech at the scanning company didn't know whatit was. I can't find out very much from searching, either. (I've foundthe acronym has a lot to do with certain state agencies, however!) Here's the text from the security scan: Title: possible vulnerability in HP dcedImpact: A remote attacker could execute arbitrary commands with root privileges. Resolution: Apply patch PHSS_29963 for HP-UX 11.00, PHSS_29964 for HP-UX 11.11, or PHSS_29966 for HP-UX 11.23. HP-UX patches are available from the [http://itrc.hp.com] HP Resource Center. Patch information for Tru64 users is available from [http://support.entegrity.com/private/patches/dce/ssrt4741.asp] Entegrity. Patch information for OpenVMS is available from [http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/368882] SSRT 4741. This may have something to do with virtualization from what I've gathered.I'm on a Virtual Private Server, at this point. So, that would make some sense.There's no program or port referenced by the scanning results, either. Clues and advice anyone? Thanks! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355214 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
PCI-Compliance Ding for Non-Random CFID's
Hi, all... Trying to get my server to pass PCI-Compliance and I was dinged for the server(CF) using non-random session id's (CFID's). They found three consecutive CFID'sin use. However, I noticed in the CF documentation that CF-Tokens are random.And I opted for the long-form CF-Tokens in the administrator. Is there a way to use random CFID's or is that what the random CF-Tokens arefor: to provide a pair of variables, that together satisfy randomness requirementsfor sessions? Thanks for any feedback! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355196 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: PCI-Compliance Ding for Non-Random CFID's
Thanks for the reply, Pete... If I remember all of the conversation correctly, when we came to the dingfor consecutive session variables, the scanning vendor rep did mention thefact that a CFToken was involved and that made a difference. I did look upthe information on this in the docs (CF9) and it did mention changing theCFToken to a long format (I didn't want to say UUID because, withoutlooking it up, I wasn't sure that's the way it was labeled). I have changed the CFToken to the long-format, so that should satisfy thevendor. I'm working with Security Metrics, the PCI-Compliance Vendorfor TD Bank. They've been very good about going over all the technicalitiesand offering suggestions and solutions to issues, such as this one. Security Metrics has been good to work with so far and reasonably priced,so I thought I'd give them a shout-out. (btw, I own the company... no justkidding!) I have no connection to them at all. But thanks for the feedback, again, and just fyi, that's the only CF-relatedissue that came up at all in the compliance scan. :o) Rick To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: PCI-Compliance Ding for Non-Random CFID's Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 13:37:01 -0400 From: p...@foundeo.com Most (if not all) PCI scanning vendors will remove it from your report if you explain that the session is based on BOTH the CFID and CFTOKEN values, not just one, as long as you have Use UUID for CFTOKEN enabled (which in CF9/10 is more than just a UUID). -- Pete Freitag - Adobe Community Professional http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubESB87vl5U - FuseGuard your CFML in 10 minutes On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Hi, all... Trying to get my server to pass PCI-Compliance and I was dinged for the server(CF) using non-random session id's (CFID's). They found three consecutive CFID'sin use. However, I noticed in the CF documentation that CF-Tokens are random.And I opted for the long-form CF-Tokens in the administrator. Is there a way to use random CFID's or is that what the random CF-Tokens arefor: to provide a pair of variables, that together satisfy randomness requirementsfor sessions? Thanks for any feedback! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355204 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Sublime Text 2
Hi, Dave... Have you tried going through Package Control to look fora CF package? It should show up there. Rick To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Sublime Text 2 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:47:30 -0500 From: d...@northgoods.com I downloaded and installed Sublime Text 2 but I can't locate a CF package. Does anyone have the link to this? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355206 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: PCI-Compliance Ding for Non-Random CFID's
Thanks, Dennis! Rick To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: RE: PCI-Compliance Ding for Non-Random CFID's Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 18:03:23 -0400 From: denn...@uxbinternet.com Tell the PCI testing company that the session requires two tokens, CFID and CFTOKEN, and while one is consecutive the other is random. They will place it in their testing as an exception. We have to do this all the time with each new client sigh even when it is the same testing company. We have never had any trouble or blowback on this issue once we tell them. Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website Design and Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028, Wolcott, CT 06716 - T:203-879-2844 W: http://www.uxbinternet.com W: http://www.ctbusinesslist.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355210 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
I could have saved them a TON of trouble by letting them know that Flash wasn't going to make it the first time I had a look at it. I came from a video editing background and it was very similar with the use of the timeline. And it was extremely labor intensive, as is video production (especially at first when it was just an animation generator). So much so that I knew no one was going to pay enough money for the labor it required just to produce something flashy :o) for their site. I WANTED to use it, but just couldn't justify the cost of the software, the charges to a client, nor the time it took me to create something that wouldn't even run on all interfaces equally. I just had the realization, long before Adobe about it, that it was going to fail in the end. They should have put their time and effort into CF... -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 2:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? For instance a company who bought the company who baught Macromedia because they where intersted in former Macromedia products like Flash, but not really in other stuff like CF. Funny... look what product is dying fastest for that acquisition. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned there about how valuable marketing really is. Macromedia and Adobe marketed the hell out of Flash, and yet here we are. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355100 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
I'll rejoin the fray tomorrow. I had softball practice tonight and didn't have time to continue our enlightening discussion... Oh, and Dave, I'll get to those tech winner and losers tomorrow. :o) Rick -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:33 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Adam Cameron adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com wrote: My problem with what *you* say, Ray, is your assumptions about my motivations for saying what I did, and then continuing from there to make assumptions about what conclusions I draw from this. Which is a bit - uncharacteristically - rubbish of you. Especially as the conclusions you drew for me were pretty facile. Eh? Well, in your further description below I think you just further affirmed what I thought of your position, which I still disagree with! ;) That said, I think Flash was/is far more an enabler of crap than raw HTML is. This is perhaps borne-out as not simply being a vagary of my thoughts It is only more an enabler because it can do more. For example, if browsers did not support animated gifs, we wouldn't have them. But because they have, they are 'enabled' them. Flash can do more, therefore has the power to annoy more. HTML5 is the exact same. on the matter, but the almost ubiquity of people thinking what's produced in Flash is *shit*, and the variety of options available to get rid of it from out screens. Another consideration here is that even with all Flash blocked, I can readily use almost all websites, so this pretty much demonstrates what people are doing with Flash is not actually... well... useful. It's fluff around the edges. Dude, if you don't think we won't see a giant crap load of fluff with just pure HTML than you are - respectfully - crazy. Folks are just going to change their delivery mechanism. People do crap with HTML and JS as well, and I guess this will be on the rise with the increased capabilities of both technologies (and browsers running them). However I've never heard of there being a market for a mark-up blocker like there is for Flash. Because you can't! Heck, at least with Flash you could block it if you didn't like it. You can't block an animated HTML banner ad. Folks are going to be *begging* for a return of the Flash banner ad probably. ;) It's the fault of the people producing the content rather than Flash itself, sure. I suspect this is because Flash came up in the designer community, and.. err... people doing design don't usually have much of a clue about UX (obviously there are exceptions, but they are *exceptions*), and accordingly we just get the designer's creativity declaring its presence unnecessarily on the screen, and at odds with what the user actually wants to achieve on the web page / site. And all that's going to change is the delivery mechanism. You've got a new way to be forced fed crap now. Awesome. ;) Fortunately a lot of people seem to be understanding UX a bit better these days, so I think once Flash goes the way of the dodo, the experience it gave us will probably largely disappear too. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I say. I will say that UX, in general, is more thought of now then it was then. I wouldn't put the blame on Flash for that. I just think as a whole, we (the web community) are more considerate of UX now than we were back in 1990. Just like the rise of mobile has made us more considerate of mobile UX, performance, etc. There. That's perhaps better than letting you articulate my position the basis thereof, yes? Still wrong. :p ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355113 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
I've been using CF for a long time and will be using it until I retire, because I build things people use and they don't particularly care what the technology is behind those things they use. HOWEVER, that is no excuse for Adobe being SO VERY SLACK at promoting their product, providing tutorials for new users to use to get to know CF, providing conferences, etc. Yes, CF *may* still be profitable for Adobe, but it won't take too many more years before that will change as people like myself decide to migrate to Blue Dragon and cut off yet one more customer from Adobe. Too many of those decisions and even hosts will decide CF is not worth providing. I like CF and hope to retire before I have to learn anything else. (I'd rather play softball with my extra time than learn PHP) But, as long as Adobe keeps CF on the market, they should support it like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. The only businesses I know that have a product on the market, yet don't market in every way and to the fullest extent possible, are those who don't understand marketing in today's media, or those who are just milking the cow without feeding it to get whatever money they can for the milk with no more investment in maintaining a healthy thriving cow. They're just willing to get what they can on their way out of the business and let the cow survive on its own as long as it can. I'm not sure, after a decade of watching Adobe, if they're just lazy, ignorant, or going out of business with CF. Any of the above scenarios fits their long-time approach to marketing CF. And I've never heard one rational defense of Adobe and its handling of CF that excuses Adobe lack of attention to CF, from documentation to marketing. (And understand, that I'm a freelancer, and my business success has never once depended on how well Adobe has marketed their product, so I'm like an outsider looking in at those dependent upon Adobe making a name for CF so those of you who work for others can get hired based on the reputation of CF, which ONLY Adobe can create...) Rick -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:p...@sustainablegis.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:47 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam On 3/18/2013 10:05 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear wrote: I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first place. at face value, kind of an absurd statement. what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? i *know* the cf team is trying cf is still profitable to adobe. but when its not they'll likely drop it i don't find that very worrying. adobe has already dropped what i thought was a pretty good product (flex). but they dropped it in a responsible fashion (into apache's lap, where its ticking along quite nicely--the commit stream people coming out of the woodwork to donate stuff to it makes me feel all warm fuzzy). people have been bemoaning cf's demise for a decade yet its still here. if its around for another decade w/adobe fine, if not, that's fine too. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355068 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
Oh, and Paul, if what I've witnessed of Adobe's efforts at building a rep for Adobe since they bought it from Macromedia is trying, then they will ultimate be a losing team. If the softball players that I coach put so little effort into they're work at becoming more successful on the field, they'd be kicked off the team for lack of commitment to success. Just as I'd already have fired the Adobe marketing team. No excuses... Rick -Original Message- From: Paul Hastings [mailto:p...@sustainablegis.com] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 12:47 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam On 3/18/2013 10:05 AM, Jenny Gavin-Wear wrote: I take all of your points on board, but it is still frustrating to be trying to sell a product that the manufacturer does not seem particularly interested in selling itself - let alone the business model for the product being wrong in the first place. at face value, kind of an absurd statement. what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? i *know* the cf team is trying cf is still profitable to adobe. but when its not they'll likely drop it i don't find that very worrying. adobe has already dropped what i thought was a pretty good product (flex). but they dropped it in a responsible fashion (into apache's lap, where its ticking along quite nicely--the commit stream people coming out of the woodwork to donate stuff to it makes me feel all warm fuzzy). people have been bemoaning cf's demise for a decade yet its still here. if its around for another decade w/adobe fine, if not, that's fine too. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355069 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
I've switched to Sublime Text 2. It's been a fine editor. I'd don't like CF assistance with writing code, however it does support syntax highlighting. It's lightweight and I can keep 3, 4, or 5 editors open with various projects at one time with no problem. I work primarily in HTML, CF, CSS3, and jQuery so I LOVE the fact that it lets me have choices about layout of parts of the editor. I use the Grid-4 layout all the time. It's nice to have HTML, CF, jQuery, and CSS3 all on their own screen if I want to. I use dual monitors, so they makes it particularly useful. And it's only $70. You can use it for free, you just have to put up with the Please buy a license popups every 10 saves or so, but it's well worth the $70 and has a LOT of people writing add-ons for it that makes it easy to configure to work in a way that benefits your workflow the most. Rick -Original Message- From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Curmudgeon painted in a corner I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355070 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Overkill, unless you need the ton of features that are built-in. I tried it. It's fine for Matt, I'm sure, but is overkill for me. And it's $199, minimum. -Original Message- From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:10 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner Intellij IDEA. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355073 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
+1 -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:29 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since [...] what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Coming from Homesite, you are likely to enjoy Sublime Text 2. Instal Package Control and then install the ColdFusion package. Decent syntax highlighting and a lot fo goot packages to choose from. It's also very lightweight compared to memory beasts built on top of Eclipse like CFBuilder. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355074 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Curmudgeon painted in a corner
Ignore the first 4 below and just skip to Sublime Text 2... -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:40 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Curmudgeon painted in a corner Dreamweaver CFBuilder CFEclipse NotePad++ (there is a CFML plugin) Sublime Text 2 On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Dave Long d...@northgoods.com wrote: I've been using Homesite 5 on my Compaq laptop since a year or two before Y2K was scary. Now the old hoss is reluctant to boot (takes about 30 minutes or more) so I'm kind of forced to get a new machine. Problem: new ones all come with Windows 8 so it looks like I'll be buying (unless I can find freebies) some new development tools. My server host is moving to Railo to avoid doubling my fees, so what do you folks recommend for CF development environment? Dave ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355075 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
You nailed the reason for the demise of those products on the head... you have not even heard of most of them... Speaks to poor marketing. -Original Message- From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam FWIW, there have been several competitors to CFML that have come out over the years, but they never really became popular, I bet you have not even heard of most of them, they certainly never get mentioned anywhere and most of them have already died, so it shows that CFML isn't doing too bad when you compare it to those. A couple that come to mind are iHTML Lasso ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355078 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
Funny... look what product is dying fastest for that acquisition. -Original Message- From: Claude Schnéegans schneeg...@internetique.com [mailto:=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans schneegans@interneti=71?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ue.com=3E?=] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 10:30 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam what company in the business of selling stuff, isn't interested in selling stuff? For instance a company who bought the company who baught Macromedia because they where intersted in former Macromedia products like Flash, but not really in other stuff like CF. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355079 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
+1 -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam So CF is a great for getting into development for newbies, but expect to pay an enterprise level price. And if you are an enterprise, then you'll probably using something else anyway because you won't really need a newbie product. I recognise I'm not at the level on CF that many of you are here, but I have been able to develop quite nice eCommerce and CMS applications. What I don't like so much is that all I need, pretty much, is about 50% of what CF can do, having bought into a get started easily product, yet I'm still stuffed with enterprise level prices. IMO, CF has failed to identify where it actually sits in the market and to offer a range of functionalities and price tag that match. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: 15 March 2013 14:27 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam programming. CF does what you need with server-side programming. But server-side application development tools are basically a commodity at this point. You can do anything with anything. There's nothing I can not quite. make sure you're sitting down not drinking anything, then check the price of an arcGIS server license (inside the US, prices outside the US might make your head explode). plus you need at least one desktop seat (about the same cost as enterprise cf) just to manage your arcGIS servers. in large enterprise projects that make use of that kind of server platform, cf's relatively cheap a very nice fit especially where you have to dip into java libs to get stuff done, run off reports, etc. Yeah, my comparison was aimed at general-purpose server-side programming environments, not stuff like arcGIS. And CF is definitely cheap for enterprise software - and that might actually be a problem in the enterprise, as people in the enterprise often equate cost with value. (There's no other explanation I have for the continued success of Oracle.) If you compare CF to ASP.NET, or to common J2EE environments, or to PHP, CF is easier to use, but not so much easier that everyone's going to switch to it from those other things. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355045 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CF running out of steam
+1 Adobe Marketing is the failure... I see almost nothing on that front. I receive email newsletters constantly from Microsoft Evangelists who tout the conferences, tutorials, and benefits of Microsoft's offering. I rarely (never these days) receive ANYTHING from Adobe that discusses any of the above from an Adobe perspective. Adobe has content and human resources to be far more of push organization that it is. They seem to miss the fundamental perspective that I preach to my clients all the time. Push your benefits and products to current and prospective clients. Don't sit back and wait for them to come to you. There are *ALWAYS* others waiting to fill that void that's created and take the business which could be yours if they simply are significantly aware of what you offer and its benefits. Adobe fails at the most fundamental marketing strategy: Developing Top-of-mind awareness. And let's face it... 1) When Microsoft talks, people listen. 2) When Adobe talks, people listen. 3) When developers talk, people don't listen. And the fact is... Microsoft talks... Microsoft developers don't have to. Adobe doesn't talk... Adobe developers have to do the talking. See point three above. Rick -Original Message- From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 9:12 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: CF running out of steam Hi Ray, I can see that to a developer that Adobe page looks incredibly sexy. The problem being that it is not always (usually not?) the developers who hold the purse strings. Many times in this list over the last few years I have seen threads from developers asking for help in selling CF to customers or their management. Why the hell isn't Adobe doing this for them already?? Jenny -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:raymondcam...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 March 2013 21:58 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CF running out of steam Oh I think the home page is great. http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion-family.html If you meant the _Adobe_ home page, I think it is great too, but I'm probably biased. ;) I can't see many coders going to adobe.com looking for random development languages. I think the audience is totally different. On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 4:36 PM, wrote: Maybe they would just Google it. Google is a good tool but not an excuse for having a poor home page. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355046 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Why is this happening??????
I'm not aware of any jsStringFormat() at work and no global script protection, either. -Original Message- From: Bobby [mailto:bo...@acoderslife.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why is this happening?? I guess you had no luck finding an instance of jsStringFormat(). Does the value ever hit a scope covered by global script protection before it gets set to the app scope? You could easily rule it out by making sure it is off or turning it off long enough to test. On 3/14/13 12:25 AM, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote: Rick, how are you returning this structure? You haven't got some funny format turning on as the return from the CFC function by accident have you? Kym On 14/03/2013 15:49, Rick Faircloth wrote: The application.temp_images_directory is being set in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\tempImages' / The last part of the example below, the #newImageFileName#.#originalImageExt# is being set in news.cfc, after an image has been uploaded. It's done this way to be able to manipulate the filename part before the extension, such as: #newImageFileName#_400.#originalImageExt# I'm checking it right now by setting struct variables in a cfc such as, cfset saveNewsItemStruct.APPTEMP = '#application.temp_images_directory#\#newImageFileName#_400.#originalImag eExt#' / then, just returning the struct to the calling page: cfreturn saveNewsItemStruct / The saveNewsItemStruct.APPTEMP would end up looking like: e:\\temp_images\\duck_400.jpg And when I tried Dave's solution of using forward slashes, /, instead of back slashes, I'd end up with: e:\/temp_images\/duck_400.jpg I'm not sure what is inserting the backslashes. I don't believe I've ever run into this before. Rick -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why is this happening?? how are you displaying it when the \ are appearing doubled? (something like a js alert, or a cfoutput to an html page, or some other mechanism?) On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: If I use this on a test page: cfoutput#application.temp_images_directory#/cfoutput it comes out fine: e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages I just don't see why (or how) it could be happening. Thanks for the feedback! Rick -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:34 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why is this happening?? what happens if you display the value INSIDE the cfc before you return it? what happens if you set the same variable OUTSIDE the cfc and display it? On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: This has been driving me crazy for two days and I GIVE UP! AHH! If I create this variable in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages' / and use it in news.cfc like this: cfset saveNewsItemStruct = structNew() cfset saveNewsItemStruct.ATID = '#application.temp_images_directory#' / why in the WORLD would I get this: e:\\inetpub\\webroot\\tempImages when I return the struct and display saveNewsItemsStruct.ATID? Why are the path lines doubling? I don't think I've seen this in 15 years of CF programming! (I'm getting too old for all this aggravation...) Thanks for any help! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355020 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Why is this happening??????
This has been driving me crazy for two days and I GIVE UP! AHH! If I create this variable in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages' / and use it in news.cfc like this: cfset saveNewsItemStruct = structNew() cfset saveNewsItemStruct.ATID = '#application.temp_images_directory#' / why in the WORLD would I get this: e:\\inetpub\\webroot\\tempImages when I return the struct and display saveNewsItemsStruct.ATID? Why are the path lines doubling? I don't think I've seen this in 15 years of CF programming! (I'm getting too old for all this aggravation...) Thanks for any help! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354998 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Why is this happening??????
If I use this on a test page: cfoutput#application.temp_images_directory#/cfoutput it comes out fine: e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages I just don't see why (or how) it could be happening. Thanks for the feedback! Rick -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:34 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why is this happening?? what happens if you display the value INSIDE the cfc before you return it? what happens if you set the same variable OUTSIDE the cfc and display it? On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: This has been driving me crazy for two days and I GIVE UP! AHH! If I create this variable in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages' / and use it in news.cfc like this: cfset saveNewsItemStruct = structNew() cfset saveNewsItemStruct.ATID = '#application.temp_images_directory#' / why in the WORLD would I get this: e:\\inetpub\\webroot\\tempImages when I return the struct and display saveNewsItemsStruct.ATID? Why are the path lines doubling? I don't think I've seen this in 15 years of CF programming! (I'm getting too old for all this aggravation...) Thanks for any help! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355001 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Why is this happening??????
That gives me an idea about what might be going on. I'll check into that tomorrow and let you know what I find. Thanks! Rick -Original Message- From: Bobby [mailto:bo...@acoderslife.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:57 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why is this happening?? That is the equivalent of what you would see if you ran that variable through jsStringFormat() somewhere. I'd run a quick search for that. I'd start in the app.cfc with that search to make sure you don't have a routine somewhere that cleans' your variables for you. On 3/13/13 8:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: This has been driving me crazy for two days and I GIVE UP! AHH! If I create this variable in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages' / and use it in news.cfc like this: cfset saveNewsItemStruct = structNew() cfset saveNewsItemStruct.ATID = '#application.temp_images_directory#' / why in the WORLD would I get this: e:\\inetpub\\webroot\\tempImages when I return the struct and display saveNewsItemsStruct.ATID? Why are the path lines doubling? I don't think I've seen this in 15 years of CF programming! (I'm getting too old for all this aggravation...) Thanks for any help! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355003 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Why is this happening??????
The application.temp_images_directory is being set in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\tempImages' / The last part of the example below, the #newImageFileName#.#originalImageExt# is being set in news.cfc, after an image has been uploaded. It's done this way to be able to manipulate the filename part before the extension, such as: #newImageFileName#_400.#originalImageExt# I'm checking it right now by setting struct variables in a cfc such as, cfset saveNewsItemStruct.APPTEMP = '#application.temp_images_directory#\#newImageFileName#_400.#originalImageExt#' / then, just returning the struct to the calling page: cfreturn saveNewsItemStruct / The saveNewsItemStruct.APPTEMP would end up looking like: e:\\temp_images\\duck_400.jpg And when I tried Dave's solution of using forward slashes, /, instead of back slashes, I'd end up with: e:\/temp_images\/duck_400.jpg I'm not sure what is inserting the backslashes. I don't believe I've ever run into this before. Rick -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 10:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why is this happening?? how are you displaying it when the \ are appearing doubled? (something like a js alert, or a cfoutput to an html page, or some other mechanism?) On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: If I use this on a test page: cfoutput#application.temp_images_directory#/cfoutput it comes out fine: e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages I just don't see why (or how) it could be happening. Thanks for the feedback! Rick -Original Message- From: Jerry Milo Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:34 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why is this happening?? what happens if you display the value INSIDE the cfc before you return it? what happens if you set the same variable OUTSIDE the cfc and display it? On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: This has been driving me crazy for two days and I GIVE UP! AHH! If I create this variable in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages' / and use it in news.cfc like this: cfset saveNewsItemStruct = structNew() cfset saveNewsItemStruct.ATID = '#application.temp_images_directory#' / why in the WORLD would I get this: e:\\inetpub\\webroot\\tempImages when I return the struct and display saveNewsItemsStruct.ATID? Why are the path lines doubling? I don't think I've seen this in 15 years of CF programming! (I'm getting too old for all this aggravation...) Thanks for any help! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355008 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Why is this happening??????
Thanks for the tip, Dave, but when I set up the application variables using forward slashes, as in: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:/inetpub/webroot/tempImages' / When I use that variable with a variable for a file in the news.cfc, like this: #application.temp_images_directory#.#newFileName#.#originalFileExt# I'd end up with: e:\/inetpub\/webroot\/tempImages\/duck.jpg instead of the usual: e:\\inetpub\\webroot\\tempImages\\duck.jpg if I used forward slashes when the path variable is created. Just doesn't make sense. Can't figure out where the extra \ is being inserted. If I create this variable in application.cfc: cfset application.temp_images_directory = 'e:\inetpub\webroot\tempImages' / and use it in news.cfc like this: cfset saveNewsItemStruct = structNew() cfset saveNewsItemStruct.ATID = '#application.temp_images_directory#' / why in the WORLD would I get this: e:\\inetpub\\webroot\\tempImages when I return the struct and display saveNewsItemsStruct.ATID? Why are the path lines doubling? I don't think I've seen this in 15 years of CF programming! (I'm getting too old for all this aggravation...) I don't know what's causing this specific problem, but you can work around it pretty easily by using forward slashes instead of backslashes. Forward slashes work fine with file paths on Windows, when used from CF. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:355009 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Anyone see anything wrong with the syntax of the query?
cfquery name = qGetAllPropertiesAndOpenHouses datasource=#arguments.real_estate_dsn# select substring_index(p.mls_number, '_', 1) as p.mls_number, p.street_number, p.street_name, p.city, p.state, oh.mls_number, oh.date, oh.start_time, oh.end_time, oh.host_name fromproperties p left join fortstewart.open_houses oh on substring_index(p.mls_number, '_', 1) = oh.mls_number where p.listing_office_mls_id = '#arguments.listing_office_mls_id#' order byp.street_name, p.street_number /cfquery I keep getting a CF error stating I have a syntax error on this line: wherep.listing_office_mls_id = '#arguments.listing_office_mls_id#' Anything? Thanks! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354817 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Anyone see anything wrong with the syntax of the query?
Thanks for the feedback, John.
I'm not sure what was wrong with that query.
The line throwing the error worked when I had the queries
separated, before I tried a left join.
Separating them again worked after I changed this line:
where substring_index(p.mls_number, '_', 1) = oh.mls_number
to this:
where oh.mls_number = substring_index('#qGetAllBrokerProperties.mls_number#',
'_', 1)
Running two queries, I was looping qGetAllBrokerProperties
and then running qGetAllOpenHouses inside that loop.
Results are correct now.
Thanks, again!
Rick
-Original Message-
From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Anyone see anything wrong with the syntax of the query?
Perhaps it's the contents on that variable? Try putting it into a
cfqueryparam.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
cfquery name = qGetAllPropertiesAndOpenHouses
datasource=#arguments.real_estate_dsn#
select substring_index(p.mls_number, '_', 1) as p.mls_number,
p.street_number, p.street_name, p.city, p.state,
oh.mls_number, oh.date, oh.start_time, oh.end_time,
oh.host_name
fromproperties p
left join fortstewart.open_houses oh
on substring_index(p.mls_number, '_', 1) = oh.mls_number
where p.listing_office_mls_id =
'#arguments.listing_office_mls_id#'
order byp.street_name, p.street_number
/cfquery
I keep getting a CF error stating I have a syntax error on this line:
wherep.listing_office_mls_id =
'#arguments.listing_office_mls_id#'
Anything?
Thanks!
Rick
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RE: Anyone see anything wrong with the syntax of the query?
Thanks for the tips and feedback, everyone! Rick -Original Message- From: Byron Mann [mailto:byronos...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:05 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Anyone see anything wrong with the syntax of the query? Not concerned with the sql syntax as much as I am about not using cfqueryparam. Please please please take the time to convert every query you have to use that. Based on your cfarguments and db permissions for your dsn, a bad bad user might be able to delete everything from your database. Byron Mann Lead Engineer Architect HostMySite.com On Mar 5, 2013 11:48 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote: cfquery name = qGetAllPropertiesAndOpenHouses datasource=#arguments.real_estate_dsn# select substring_index(p.mls_number, '_', 1) as p.mls_number, p.street_number, p.street_name, p.city, p.state, oh.mls_number, oh.date, oh.start_time, oh.end_time, oh.host_name fromproperties p left join fortstewart.open_houses oh on substring_index(p.mls_number, '_', 1) = oh.mls_number where p.listing_office_mls_id = '#arguments.listing_office_mls_id#' order byp.street_name, p.street_number /cfquery I keep getting a CF error stating I have a syntax error on this line: wherep.listing_office_mls_id = '#arguments.listing_office_mls_id#' Anything? Thanks! Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354834 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net
What would be an appropriate length of time for a session variable for a hacker who's doing what you described: If they read in the form page and then submit it using a script for many days without re-reading the original form it will appear to the server that they took days to fill. Would the same hold true for session session variables? -Original Message- From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:18 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net If they read in the form page and then submit it using a script for many days without re-reading the original form, it will appear to the server that they took days to fill. So testing for more than a few hours should be good... sessions might work but they should expire quickly... then if the session variable is not present you know they took too long. At 10:04 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote: You mean, by staying on the page so long that it's an indication that he's hacking the form or the cfc method that does the processing instead of doing a normal form submit like typical user would? And what if the hacker has cookies disabled? And are you suggesting that a session variable wouldn't be as good as a cookie? Thanks for the feedback... Rick ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354554 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net
You have to be careful not to interfere with normal donations. When I fill out forms using chrome, chrome fills in my name, address and phone number. It might take me only 15 seconds to fill out my donation form.. Yes, I've thought about that. There's some sections of the form that are only shown if a user answers question a certain way, so that does take a little longer, even with autofill. I had a few hack attempts today, and some of them were submitted faster than the Javascript time limit imposed, so the hacker must have JS turned off. A few other attempts were stopped by the captcha, so there must be a bot involved in some attempts, as well. You can determine if he bypasses your form by setting a cookie on the form page with the datestamp encrypted... and check it on the processing page. you can tell how much time from form page load to submit. If it is more than about an hour, he probably didn't fill out the form and submit it as you would expect. You mean, by staying on the page so long that it's an indication that he's hacking the form or the cfc method that does the processing instead of doing a normal form submit like typical user would? And what if the hacker has cookies disabled? And are you suggesting that a session variable wouldn't be as good as a cookie? Thanks for the feedback... Rick -Original Message- From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:21 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net You have to be careful not to interfere with normal donations. When I fill out forms using chrome, chrome fills in my name, address and phone number. It might take me only 15 seconds to fill out my donation form.. You can determine if he bypasses your form by setting a cookie on the form page with the datestamp encrypted... and check it on the processing page. you can tell how much time from form page load to submit.If it is more than about an hour, he probably didn't fill out the form and submit it as you would expect. The hacking has slowed down some; there's only been three or four attempts in the last couple of days. Nothing I've done, since it's apparently a human hacker, and the only thing I'm using now is a CF-generated captcha set to medium. So, that's not stopping the hacker. Perhaps the hacker has just moved on to another target for awhile. When (not if...) it starts up again, I'm going to try the javascript timing function, timing when a form element is first clicked and making sure it takes at least 2 minutes until the form is submitted, or I'll fail the transaction. None of the hacker's attempts have taken more than about 1 min 15 sec, and most are about 15-30 seconds, so, hopefully, that will be just enough of an irritant to run the hacker off. If the hacker is bypassing my form, however, which depends on javascript to function, and is attacking my CFC which submits the form when all CF validation is passed via CFHTTP, I wonder if the hacker can still submit the form with javascript turned off? How would I go about determining just what the hacker's process is? And if the hacker is disabled javascript, I guess I can use a session variable in CF to check the time for the start and end of form input. But if, he's (or she's) attacking the CFC method directly, would the form timing even be relevant? I wish I could send enough of an electric shock through hackers' keyboards to knock them out for an hour...maybe someday. I can only hope! -Original Message- From: UXB [mailto:denn...@uxbinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:23 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net Part of the verification in the processing can be reliant upon something executing in JavaScript and being passed in with the form submission. While I do not disagree with your statements anything that is part of the form data that can be generated by JavaScript can be submitted without it by, as you said, capturing a real form submission and then simulating it. The final protection has to be server side because you cannot rely on the data sent by the client. The idea with these kinds of protections is to make it sufficiently inconvenient for an attacker to go to the trouble and move on to the next guy who is easier to exploit. Abuse can be a hard problem to solve. Very! It is almost always proportional to the potential gain of the abuse. In Rick's case there is a fairly high financial gain to be had by the verification of credit card numbers. Like you we had a donation page for a client and they too were getting a large number of abusive submissions until we but it behind a signup/login page that required a valid email address and a easy to read captcha. In that case it solved the issue and they had no more problems but then they were clearing the CC numbers manually so there was always human
RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net
Thanks for the feedback, Justin... -Original Message- From: Justin Scott [mailto:leviat...@darktech.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 6:01 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net Forget the form page the bots/humans are not even seeing it they are attacking your processing cfc directly. Your protection has to be server side since any JavaScript on the form page is ignored. They are submitting form data directly to your CFC processing page. Part of the verification in the processing can be reliant upon something executing in JavaScript and being passed in with the form submission. This is how CFFormProtect works (looks for and tracks timing, keystrokes, mouse movement, etc.). This data is tracked and passed in to the form and the server runs checks against it to determine whether the script ran and events occurred that you would expect to see in a real environment vs. an automated script (it does have some server-side checks as well such as Akismet lookups, etc.). It is true that an attacker could capture one real submission between the browser and the server and modify their scripts to submit the appropriate data to make it appear as though a script ran and those form fields were populated naturally when they actually weren't, though an attacker would need to be pretty persistent to go through all that trouble. The idea with these kinds of protections is to make it sufficiently inconvenient for an attacker to go to the trouble and move on to the next guy who is easier to exploit. One of the sites I ran years ago had a problem with people scripting the signup process to generate accounts (even to the point of generating e-mail accounts to use for the e-mail validation process). We really didn't want to use a CAPTCHA, so we ended up randomizing the form field names (and creating a map of the random names to the real names as a session variable when the form was generated so we could match them back up when it was submitted). This prevented the process script from being hit directly and would have forced them to load the actual signup page first, parse all the fieldnames out, and then run the submission again. They could have automated this as well, but never did (perhaps because it was too inconvenient and there were easier targets to go after). The earlier idea of automatically rejecting transactions and transparently showing a reject notice after a couple of failures is a good anti-abuse measure in this instance. If logs are being kept, they can be reviewed periodically and anyone who looks like they may have been accidentally rejected can be contacted again later to recapture their donation if needed. Abuse can be a hard problem to solve. -Justin ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354493 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net
Thanks, Dennis! -Original Message- From: UXB [mailto:denn...@uxbinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:31 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net button for my form is just a regular button that triggers an AJAX function that sends the data to a CFC for further processing and then submission Forget the form page the bots/humans are not even seeing it they are attacking your processing cfc directly. Your protection has to be server side since any JavaScript on the form page is ignored. They are submitting form data directly to your CFC processing page. Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website Design and Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028, Wolcott, CT 06716 - T:203-879-2844 W: http://www.uxbinternet.com W: http://www.ctbusinesslist.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354494 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net
The hacking has slowed down some; there's only been three or four attempts in the last couple of days. Nothing I've done, since it's apparently a human hacker, and the only thing I'm using now is a CF-generated captcha set to medium. So, that's not stopping the hacker. Perhaps the hacker has just moved on to another target for awhile. When (not if...) it starts up again, I'm going to try the javascript timing function, timing when a form element is first clicked and making sure it takes at least 2 minutes until the form is submitted, or I'll fail the transaction. None of the hacker's attempts have taken more than about 1 min 15 sec, and most are about 15-30 seconds, so, hopefully, that will be just enough of an irritant to run the hacker off. If the hacker is bypassing my form, however, which depends on javascript to function, and is attacking my CFC which submits the form when all CF validation is passed via CFHTTP, I wonder if the hacker can still submit the form with javascript turned off? How would I go about determining just what the hacker's process is? And if the hacker is disabled javascript, I guess I can use a session variable in CF to check the time for the start and end of form input. But if, he's (or she's) attacking the CFC method directly, would the form timing even be relevant? I wish I could send enough of an electric shock through hackers' keyboards to knock them out for an hour...maybe someday. I can only hope! -Original Message- From: UXB [mailto:denn...@uxbinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 9:23 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Problem with Hackers on Donation form through Authorize.net Part of the verification in the processing can be reliant upon something executing in JavaScript and being passed in with the form submission. While I do not disagree with your statements anything that is part of the form data that can be generated by JavaScript can be submitted without it by, as you said, capturing a real form submission and then simulating it. The final protection has to be server side because you cannot rely on the data sent by the client. The idea with these kinds of protections is to make it sufficiently inconvenient for an attacker to go to the trouble and move on to the next guy who is easier to exploit. Abuse can be a hard problem to solve. Very! It is almost always proportional to the potential gain of the abuse. In Rick's case there is a fairly high financial gain to be had by the verification of credit card numbers. Like you we had a donation page for a client and they too were getting a large number of abusive submissions until we but it behind a signup/login page that required a valid email address and a easy to read captcha. In that case it solved the issue and they had no more problems but then they were clearing the CC numbers manually so there was always human oversight. Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A website Design and Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028, Wolcott, CT 06716 - T:203-879-2844 W: http://www.uxbinternet.com W: http://www.ctbusinesslist.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354498 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
