subject:"RE\: Frameworks"

Matt Quackenbush wrote:
 I should have clarified my question.  I completely realize that the 'form'
 and 'url' scopes (structs) still exist inside the various frameworks, so I
 know that I can directly reference them.  However, in an OO world, you're
 technically not supposed to reference outside scopes.

That is not specific to an OO world, you shouldn't do that in 
procedural code either.


 Is it okay to directly reference the form scope in my OO-like controllers?
 Or is there another way for me to guarantee that the variable is a post vs.
 get?

Since the answer to both questions is No I will add a third question: 
How important is it *really* to know the variable came from a post?

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Dominic Watson

How is the value being used in the said object? To remain OO, the value
should be supplied through a method, if it is to be set when the object is
initiated, then the value should be supplied as an argument to the
constructor.

To make sure the argument is a post variable, you simply call the
appropriate object method and pass 'form.myVar' to it.

Referencing the post scope inside an object is, as you pointed out, opposed
to OO priniciples, so do it outside the object and then behave accordingly.

Dom


On 15/10/2007, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Matt Quackenbush wrote:
  I should have clarified my question.  I completely realize that the
 'form'
  and 'url' scopes (structs) still exist inside the various frameworks, so
 I
  know that I can directly reference them.  However, in an OO world,
 you're
  technically not supposed to reference outside scopes.

 That is not specific to an OO world, you shouldn't do that in
 procedural code either.


  Is it okay to directly reference the form scope in my OO-like
 controllers?
  Or is there another way for me to guarantee that the variable is a post
 vs.
  get?

 Since the answer to both questions is No I will add a third question:
 How important is it *really* to know the variable came from a post?

 Jochem

 

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Sean Corfield

On 10/14/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Data changes should not be triggered by GET requests.

Whilst I agree and that guides whether I use GET or POST within my UI
(and it's OK to use method=get on forms if they are query-only forms
such as searches), I would question whether it's really important
*inside* your application code to distinguish between GET and POST.

Question to Dave: do your applications actually verify that any data
changing requests really use POST?

Suggestion to Matt et al: since all you really need to ensure is that
certain requests came from a POST, you can write a filter (or whatever
equivalent your framework de jour supports) that checks the request
was a POST and encapsulate the logic in that one place (testing
CGI.HTTP_METHOD). Then for a data changing request, just add that
filter and you're done.

Fusebox example: in prefuseaction on your controller circuit, check
the fuseaction against a list of must use POST fuseactions and check
the CGI variable:

set name=dataChangingActions value=doupdate,dosomething /
if 
condition=listFindNoCase(dataChangingActions,myFusebox.originalFuseaction)
true
if condition=CGI.HTTP_METHOD is 'POST'
false
!-- illegal GET --
/false
/if
/true
/if
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RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

 Question to Dave: do your applications actually verify that 
 any data changing requests really use POST?

Hell yeah!

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, if
adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple apps.
I've seen the Rails folks obsessing about this, where they are forcing some
normal URLs to be POST, and likewise forcing some forms to be GET, for no
benefit at all other than to obey this seemingly pointless rule.


On 10/14/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I suppose I don't understand why you'd care if the variable
  came from a form field as opposed to a URL variable. Either
  way you're going to have to make sure the user is an admin
  and they they have the rights to delete something.

 Data changes should not be triggered by GET requests.

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RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

 I'm with Brian here - I don't see why this is critical. The 
 only known cause of a problem in this area (that I know of) 
 is when the Google Accelrator came out and it began auto 
 firing Delete links in web admins.

Any program that automatically follows links can cause this problem, as long
as it has credentials to access the URLs in question. Google Web Accelerator
was simply one example. Google Search Appliances are another. Rather than
worrying about these programs, you can simply avoid the problem altogether
by conforming to the appropriate RFC recommendation:

http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Raymond Camden

I'm with Brian here - I don't see why this is critical. The only known
cause of a problem in this area (that I know of) is when the Google
Accelrator came out and it began auto firing Delete links in web
admins.

On 10/15/07, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, if
 adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple apps.
 I've seen the Rails folks obsessing about this, where they are forcing some
 normal URLs to be POST, and likewise forcing some forms to be GET, for no
 benefit at all other than to obey this seemingly pointless rule.


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RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

 I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to 
 me. In fact, if adhered to it would add a good bit of 
 complexity to otherwise simple apps.
 I've seen the Rails folks obsessing about this, where they 
 are forcing some normal URLs to be POST, and likewise forcing 
 some forms to be GET, for no benefit at all other than to 
 obey this seemingly pointless rule.

Crawlers submit GET requests, but not POST requests.

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Massimo Foti

While I am not religious about it, if you see any url as a potential REST 
webservice, separating GET and POST make sense. Of course this apply much 
more to public facing urls, les to password protected ones.


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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

Brian Kotek wrote:
 I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact, if
 adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple apps.

I don't believe it adds complexity for the developer. Have you ever seen 
that popup that says: The page you are trying to view contains 
POSTDATA. If you resend the data, any action the form carried out (such 
as a search or online purchase) will be repeated. To resend the data, 
click OK. Otherwise, click Cancel.

Have you ever tried coding something like that throughout your entire 
application? How much complexity did that add compared to just using the 
proper HTTP method and let the browser take care of warning the user? 
Not to mention the usability gains in using GET where appropriate and 
*not* confronting the user with this popup on pages that don't make changes.

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

That's fine, but it doesn't change anything in my mind. Just because a
crawler won't submit a form doesn't mean that a user (or a non-compliant
crawler) won't. It's also not complicated for a user to modify the headers
to issue a post instead of a get or vice versa. The point being, if you have
something that can trigger a data change, you have to assume someone can
execute it regardless of whether it is a POST or a GET and regardless of
whether it was initiated by a crawler or something else. It's far more
critical in my mind to make sure that only people or agents that you want to
be changing data can actually change the data. The triviality of whether the
request was a POST or a GET seems to mean nothing. I think that forcing data
change requests to be POSTS is just forcing an extra limitation on the
usefulness of the application (I personally think being able to do something
via a form post as well as a simple URL GET request is a very handy thing),
when you're still going to have to have the proper logic in place to make
sure the data change is valid in the first place.

I suppose the summary here is that I know this rule exists, and I know why
it exists. It just doesn't seem to have any real bearing on anything other
than to add complexity while at the same time reducing flexibility. To me,
it smacks of a carryover from the early days of the web that doesn't mean
much in the current environment.

On 10/15/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to
  me. In fact, if adhered to it would add a good bit of
  complexity to otherwise simple apps.
  I've seen the Rails folks obsessing about this, where they
  are forcing some normal URLs to be POST, and likewise forcing
  some forms to be GET, for no benefit at all other than to
  obey this seemingly pointless rule.

 Crawlers submit GET requests, but not POST requests.

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

Sean Corfield wrote:
 Suggestion to Matt et al: since all you really need to ensure is that
 certain requests came from a POST, you can write a filter (or whatever
 equivalent your framework de jour supports) that checks the request
 was a POST and encapsulate the logic in that one place (testing
 CGI.HTTP_METHOD).

That only checks the request method, not whether individual variables 
came from the URL or the Form scopes (yes, a request can have both form 
and URL variables at the same time).

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

You're proving my point. Going through your app and changing any A HREF
tag that targets a link that changes data on the server to use POST instead
of GET *is* an increase in complexity. And, if I understand you correctly,
you're doing it just to get a pop-up window from your browser? A pop up that
anyone can ignore, or that a spider can just bypass anyway? When under the
hood you're still going to have to have logic to make sure the user is
logged in, and editing data that they are allowed to edit, etc.?

Is this really the best reason someone can offer to justify making all
data-editing URLs use the POST method? I know it isn't anyone's job here to
convince me, and that I'm the one ignoring this rule, but so far I'm still
not seeing any particularly compelling reason to be concerned.


On 10/15/07, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brian Kotek wrote:
  I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact,
 if
  adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple
 apps.

 I don't believe it adds complexity for the developer. Have you ever seen
 that popup that says: The page you are trying to view contains
 POSTDATA. If you resend the data, any action the form carried out (such
 as a search or online purchase) will be repeated. To resend the data,
 click OK. Otherwise, click Cancel.

 Have you ever tried coding something like that throughout your entire
 application? How much complexity did that add compared to just using the
 proper HTTP method and let the browser take care of warning the user?
 Not to mention the usability gains in using GET where appropriate and
 *not* confronting the user with this popup on pages that don't make
 changes.

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

Brian Kotek wrote:
 You're proving my point. Going through your app and changing any A HREF
 tag that targets a link that changes data on the server to use POST instead
 of GET *is* an increase in complexity. And, if I understand you correctly,
 you're doing it just to get a pop-up window from your browser? A pop up that
 anyone can ignore, or that a spider can just bypass anyway? When under the
 hood you're still going to have to have logic to make sure the user is
 logged in, and editing data that they are allowed to edit, etc.?

I don't retrofit existing sites just for the sake of getting this 
correct, but if I develop something new it is the guiding principle. And 
it saves me the why do I get billed twice for this report questions 
from users that are logged in and have the right to order something.
And the part you glossed over is that I change forms from post to get if 
they do not change the data. Because it provides a better user 
experience if the browser does not come with that annoying popup.


 Is this really the best reason someone can offer to justify making all
 data-editing URLs use the POST method? I know it isn't anyone's job here to
 convince me, and that I'm the one ignoring this rule, but so far I'm still
 not seeing any particularly compelling reason to be concerned.

Would you do it if it were easier? For a while now I have considered 
proposing to the W3 HTML standard committee to add a method attribute 
to the href tag so you could also make a normal link fire a post 
instead of a get.

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox

I thought that the google web accelerator did all the convincing
anyone needed.  If I recall correctly, a lot of intranets had a
problem with it in that lots of GET operations would alter data.  The
user would be logged in, and gwa would automatically fetch all GET
links.  There'd be no security concerns since deleting records would
be a valid operation for a logged in user.


On 10/15/07, Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You're proving my point. Going through your app and changing any A HREF
 tag that targets a link that changes data on the server to use POST instead
 of GET *is* an increase in complexity. And, if I understand you correctly,
 you're doing it just to get a pop-up window from your browser? A pop up that
 anyone can ignore, or that a spider can just bypass anyway? When under the
 hood you're still going to have to have logic to make sure the user is
 logged in, and editing data that they are allowed to edit, etc.?

 Is this really the best reason someone can offer to justify making all
 data-editing URLs use the POST method? I know it isn't anyone's job here to
 convince me, and that I'm the one ignoring this rule, but so far I'm still
 not seeing any particularly compelling reason to be concerned.


 On 10/15/07, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Brian Kotek wrote:
   I'm aware of this rule, it just doesn't make any sense to me. In fact,
  if
   adhered to it would add a good bit of complexity to otherwise simple
  apps.
 
  I don't believe it adds complexity for the developer. Have you ever seen
  that popup that says: The page you are trying to view contains
  POSTDATA. If you resend the data, any action the form carried out (such
  as a search or online purchase) will be repeated. To resend the data,
  click OK. Otherwise, click Cancel.
 
  Have you ever tried coding something like that throughout your entire
  application? How much complexity did that add compared to just using the
  proper HTTP method and let the browser take care of warning the user?
  Not to mention the usability gains in using GET where appropriate and
  *not* confronting the user with this popup on pages that don't make
  changes.
 
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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

Brian Kotek wrote:
 That's fine, but it doesn't change anything in my mind. Just because a
 crawler won't submit a form doesn't mean that a user (or a non-compliant
 crawler) won't. It's also not complicated for a user to modify the headers
 to issue a post instead of a get or vice versa. The point being, if you have
 something that can trigger a data change, you have to assume someone can
 execute it regardless of whether it is a POST or a GET and regardless of
 whether it was initiated by a crawler or something else. It's far more
 critical in my mind to make sure that only people or agents that you want to
 be changing data can actually change the data.

I fully agree.


 The triviality of whether the
 request was a POST or a GET seems to mean nothing.

And here I disagree. After you have ensured that only authorized users 
and agents have access, using the correct method is important enough to 
get it right.

Jochem

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Wowsers!  Seems I hit on a hot topic.


On 10/15/07, Jochem van Dieten wrote:

 Since the answer to both questions is No I will add a third question:
 How important is it *really* to know the variable came from a post?

 Jochem



I don't allow data altering in my apps via a 'get', especially not deletes.
Whether or not the user is authorized to alter said data, while obviously
crucial, is not the only important thing; they must alter that data by
following the correct protocols that the app has set in place, as Zaphod
(and others) pointed out.  Therefore, as far as I am concerned, it is
extremely critical to know that these sort of variables came from a post.

So, back to the root question at hand: Is it okay to directly reference the
form scope in my OO-like controllers?

I'm leaning toward the belief that it's okay to reference the form/post
scope from within the controller, to verify that the data is from a post.
(Sean's code example seems to bolster that belief.)  At that point, the
var(s) is/are passed off to the model where it does the heavy lifting.
Inside the model, I completely and thoroughly agree with Brian - it doesn't
matter where the variable(s) came from.


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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

Jochem van Dieten wrote:
 
 Would you do it if it were easier? For a while now I have considered 
 proposing to the W3 HTML standard committee to add a method attribute 
 to the href tag so you could also make a normal link fire a post 
 instead of a get.

Sorry, that should read 'to add a method attribute to every tag with a 
href attribute' (under the XHTML 2 proposal all tags could get a href 
attribute, not just anchors and stylesheets, and I hope they will put 
that in HTML 5 too).

Jochem

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RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

 Just because a crawler won't submit a form 
 doesn't mean that a user (or a non-compliant 
 crawler) won't. It's also not complicated for a 
 user to modify the headers to issue a post 
 instead of a get or vice versa. The point being,  if you have something that 
 can trigger a data 
 change, you have to assume someone can
 execute it regardless of whether it is a POST or  a GET and regardless of 
 whether it was initiated  by a crawler or something else.

Often, when a rule seems pointless, you may simply be missing the point.

In this case, the point has nothing to do with security. It's about following a 
simple convention. If you follow this convention, you don't have to worry about 
other programs that conform to those conventions. That's the whole point of 
having conventions.

And, I can guarantee from my personal experience as a Google Search Appliance 
consultant, this is a regular and ongoing problem. Typically, when implementing 
enterprise search, you configure your GSA to crawl content that requires 
credentials; users can then, when searching, enter their own credentials to 
view private search results if those credentials allow. The GSA may be 
configured to crawl millions of documents across many servers, public and 
private, which may correspond to hundreds of separate applications. If one 
developer of one application doesn't understand this basic web development 
101 concept, hilarity often ensues.

And, frankly, this is a basic concept of web development, just like conformance 
to standards like HTML and CSS.

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

On 10/15/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Often, when a rule seems pointless, you may simply be missing the point.


Which is, you know, the point of talking about it.

The discussion has expanded my horizons since I had never considered the
problems that Google accelerator or a secure spider might cause. Since the
vast majority of developers haven't had this issue cause them any problems,
it's easy to see why many people don't see the point of worrying about it.

Back to the original topic, I still wouldn't be referencing the form scope
from within the model. If you want to guarantee that the request was a POST,
I'd do it in the controller before anything even gets to the model.


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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread Matt Quackenbush

On 10/15/07, Brian Kotek wrote:

 Back to the original topic, I still wouldn't be referencing the form scope
 from within the model. If you want to guarantee that the request was a
 POST,
 I'd do it in the controller before anything even gets to the model.



Which is precisely what I was asking about.  As I said above, I
wholeheartedly agree with you that your model should not care where it came
from.  My question was specific to the controller.


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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-15 Thread James Holmes

It seems that if the framework doesn't let you know which request
method the variables came from, the controller code will have to be
modified to check the FORM scope with StructKeyExists() or, perhaps
more appropriately, CGI.REQUEST_METHOD (if that is populated by your
webserver).

On 10/16/07, Matt Quackenbush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 10/15/07, Brian Kotek wrote:
 
  Back to the original topic, I still wouldn't be referencing the form scope
  from within the model. If you want to guarantee that the request was a
  POST,
  I'd do it in the controller before anything even gets to the model.
 


 Which is precisely what I was asking about.  As I said above, I
 wholeheartedly agree with you that your model should not care where it came
 from.  My question was specific to the controller.


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RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread William Seiter

I haven't worked with very many frameworks, but my understanding is that
they don't change the basic functionality of Coldfusion as a middle-tier.
You should be able to call upon the 'post' structure for the value of those
variables to verify that it was declared there.

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Subject: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

Okay, so you pick a framework - just about any framework; Fusebox, ColdBox,
mach-ii, Model-Glue.  These frameworks fold the form (post) and URL (get)
variables into an event object (or attributes in the case of traditional FB
apps).  But let's say that you want to be sure that the variable came from a
post - for instance deleting something in an admin panel.

How do you guys (and girls) verify that it's a post var?


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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Brian Kotek

I suppose I don't understand why you'd care if the variable came from a form
field as opposed to a URL variable. Either way you're going to have to make
sure the user is an admin and they they have the rights to delete something.

On 10/14/07, Matt Quackenbush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Okay, so you pick a framework - just about any framework; Fusebox,
 ColdBox,
 mach-ii, Model-Glue.  These frameworks fold the form (post) and URL (get)
 variables into an event object (or attributes in the case of traditional
 FB
 apps).  But let's say that you want to be sure that the variable came from
 a
 post - for instance deleting something in an admin panel.

 How do you guys (and girls) verify that it's a post var?


 Thanks,

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RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Dave Watts

 How do you guys (and girls) verify that it's a post var?

Check the Form scope?

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RE: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Dave Watts

 I suppose I don't understand why you'd care if the variable 
 came from a form field as opposed to a URL variable. Either 
 way you're going to have to make sure the user is an admin 
 and they they have the rights to delete something.

Data changes should not be triggered by GET requests.

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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Michael David

Hi Matt!

If you want to make sure it came from a form post, look in the FORM
scope.  :)

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Sunday, October 14, 2007, 9:05:09 PM, you wrote:

 Okay, so you pick a framework - just about any framework; Fusebox, ColdBox,
 mach-ii, Model-Glue.  These frameworks fold the form (post) and URL (get)
 variables into an event object (or attributes in the case of traditional FB
 apps).  But let's say that you want to be sure that the variable came from a
 post - for instance deleting something in an admin panel.

 How do you guys (and girls) verify that it's a post var?


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Re: Frameworks: Post vs. Get

2007-10-14 Thread Matt Quackenbush

I should have clarified my question.  I completely realize that the 'form'
and 'url' scopes (structs) still exist inside the various frameworks, so I
know that I can directly reference them.  However, in an OO world, you're
technically not supposed to reference outside scopes.  That is what is
driving my question.

For instance, I know that I can do this...

cfif structKeyExists(form, myVar)
!--- do my stuff ---
/cfif

 but in an OO-like application, we're supposed to do something more
along the lines of the following:

cfif event.valueExists(myVar)
   !--- do my stuff ---
/cfif

That value may very well exist, but it could have come via a 'get', when I
want to verify it is from a 'post'.  So, maybe my question is better worded
this way...

Is it okay to directly reference the form scope in my OO-like controllers?
Or is there another way for me to guarantee that the variable is a post vs.
get?

Matt


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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-16 Thread Nick Tong

**promo ** Mark will also be doing a workshop on this tomorrow evening
(thursday 17th May) 7pm GMT / 2pm EST.
http://www.cfframeworks.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/5/10/cfFrameworks-workshop-Mark-Drew-on-cfEclipse-Frameworks-Explorer


On 11/05/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Honestly Mark I do not know...

 I just can't get the test to return anything, but at this stage it could
 be
 just human error...



 On 5/11/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  *Sigh* whats wrong with the that view?
 
  Also, try emailing the cfeclipse user's group. They should also give
  you a hand.
  http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users?lnk=srg
 
  MD
 
 
  On 10 May 2007, at 13:56, Andrew Scott wrote:
 
   Yes nice addition Now if only I can get CFUnit view to work..
 
 
 

 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)

Nonsense. Eclipse (been around for ages) and CFEclipse will run just fine on
a modern machine. It takes centre stage in primetime.

how much ram do you have? 






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Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago CFUG meeting
Monday...granted he had a buttload of stuff running on his laptop, but
Eclipse took up a large chunk of real estate and he had to shut it down to
let everything else run...

I have never had any luck with Eclipse and CFEclipse.  I think it is a great
idea...just not ready for primetime yet.

Eric

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Great stuff Doug! That'll keep me busy.

Previously I thought someone mentioned CFEclipse running a small footprint
in RAM. Mine is running at 210M! I have another Gig of RAM on order, but
it's quite a bit of a change from the 14M of Homesite.

Greg

On 5/9/07, Doug Bezona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing
  variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the
 extra
  quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no
 more
  insight for cfsqltype or other parameters.


 This does sometimes get flaky. Try CTRL-Space after.

 3. You can ctrl-z, but then you can't ctrl-shift-z back to where you were
  (ctrl-shift-z opens a color pallette)?


 CTRL-Y is redo. And pretty much ALL keyboard shortcuts in Eclipse are
 changeable. And for super-duper undo/redo on steroids, right click on a
 file
 in the navigator and check out compare with - local history...


 4. ctrl-F6 to toggle between open documents can't be done with one hand
 (not
  my hands anyways)


 Again, you can remap the shortcuts. Windows - Preferences - General -
 Keys.


  3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?


 Definitely take some time and check out what Eclipse offers natively -
 things like working sets can be handy, there are a ton of customization
 options, etc.

 For plugins, you definitely want the Adobe ColdFusion plugins, which
 includes RDS file and database support, a query builder, the full CF
 documentation in Eclipse Help format, and some other handy little bits.
 Unfortunately, getting them is a bit of an annoying process, as they are
 currently only distributed as part of Flex Builder. Just download and
 install the trial from Adobe.com, dig around for the ColdFusion plugins
 zip
 file in the install directory, and follow the included install
 instructions.

 Also, check out the Mylar project. http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/ - in
 particular, take the time to watch the Webinar:
 http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/start.php - it's essentially a task driven
 development system, that is hard to explain in a couple of sentences,
 but
 is, in my opinion, startlingly brilliant once you get it.

 A couple more handy plug-ins:
 1. Aptana (www.aptana.com) for good HTML, CSS and JavaScript support, as
 well as a very good file browser with FTP and SFTP support, including file
 synchronization.

 2. JSEclipse, (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/) which I
 think
 is a better JavaScript editor than Aptana's, if only because you can
 highlight a portion of JS code in an HTML of CFM file, and select open in
 JSEclipse giving you all of the handy JS completion, etc. stuff, and
 keeping it synched up with the original file.

 3. QuantumDB (http://quantum.sourceforge.net/), a nice little database
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

not to mention you can minimize the application as well.



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 Nonsense. Eclipse (been around for ages) and CFEclipse will run just fine
 on
 a modern machine. It takes centre stage in primetime.

 how much ram do you have?


 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Roberts
 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Thu May 10 02:35:36 2007
 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago CFUG meeting
 Monday...granted he had a buttload of stuff running on his laptop, but
 Eclipse took up a large chunk of real estate and he had to shut it down to
 let everything else run...

 I have never had any luck with Eclipse and CFEclipse.  I think it is a
 great
 idea...just not ready for primetime yet.

 Eric



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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-10 Thread Tom Chiverton

On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Andrew Scott wrote:
 1) When going to the templates I get this error.

AFAIK this is a known bug in the alpha.

 Could not accept Changes
 The currently displayed page contains invalid values.

Ditto.

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RE: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)

I also sorted mine...;-) lovely.

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Andrew Scott wrote:
 1) When going to the templates I get this error.

AFAIK this is a known bug in the alpha.

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts

2 gig of ram...2.8 gz processor...in total about 1/2 terrabyte drive
space...

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not to mention you can minimize the application as well.

On 5/10/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Nonsense. Eclipse (been around for ages) and CFEclipse will run just fine
 on
 a modern machine. It takes centre stage in primetime.

 how much ram do you have?

 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Roberts
 To: CF-Talk
 Sent: Thu May 10 02:35:36 2007
 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago CFUG meeting
 Monday...granted he had a buttload of stuff running on his laptop, but
 Eclipse took up a large chunk of real estate and he had to shut it down to
 let everything else run...

 I have never had any luck with Eclipse and CFEclipse.  I think it is a
 great
 idea...just not ready for primetime yet.

 Eric

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Eric Roberts

I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything but a
very modern machine.  The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of ram.
I found CFEclipse to horribly slow.  At my current position, they use
eclipse.  To load their internet site into a project took all day (about 7
hours).  After that and several crashes, I went back to dreamweaver.

Eric

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Nonsense. Eclipse (been around for ages) and CFEclipse will run just fine on
a modern machine. It takes centre stage in primetime.

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-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts
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Sent: Thu May 10 02:35:36 2007
Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago CFUG meeting
Monday...granted he had a buttload of stuff running on his laptop, but
Eclipse took up a large chunk of real estate and he had to shut it down to
let everything else run...

I have never had any luck with Eclipse and CFEclipse.  I think it is a great
idea...just not ready for primetime yet.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

Great stuff Doug! That'll keep me busy.

Previously I thought someone mentioned CFEclipse running a small footprint
in RAM. Mine is running at 210M! I have another Gig of RAM on order, but
it's quite a bit of a change from the 14M of Homesite.

Greg

On 5/9/07, Doug Bezona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing
  variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the
 extra
  quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no
 more
  insight for cfsqltype or other parameters.


 This does sometimes get flaky. Try CTRL-Space after.

 3. You can ctrl-z, but then you can't ctrl-shift-z back to where you were
  (ctrl-shift-z opens a color pallette)?


 CTRL-Y is redo. And pretty much ALL keyboard shortcuts in Eclipse are
 changeable. And for super-duper undo/redo on steroids, right click on a
 file
 in the navigator and check out compare with - local history...


 4. ctrl-F6 to toggle between open documents can't be done with one hand
 (not
  my hands anyways)


 Again, you can remap the shortcuts. Windows - Preferences - General -
 Keys.


  3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?


 Definitely take some time and check out what Eclipse offers natively -
 things like working sets can be handy, there are a ton of customization
 options, etc.

 For plugins, you definitely want the Adobe ColdFusion plugins, which
 includes RDS file and database support, a query builder, the full CF
 documentation in Eclipse Help format, and some other handy little bits.
 Unfortunately, getting them is a bit of an annoying process, as they are
 currently only distributed as part of Flex Builder. Just download and
 install the trial from Adobe.com, dig around for the ColdFusion plugins
 zip
 file in the install directory, and follow the included install
 instructions.

 Also, check out the Mylar project. http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/ - in
 particular, take the time to watch the Webinar:
 http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/start.php - it's essentially a task driven
 development system, that is hard to explain in a couple of sentences,
 but
 is, in my opinion, startlingly brilliant once you get it.

 A couple more handy plug-ins:
 1. Aptana (www.aptana.com) for good HTML, CSS and JavaScript support, as
 well as a very good file browser with FTP and SFTP support, including file
 synchronization.

 2. JSEclipse, (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/) which I
 think
 is a better JavaScript editor than Aptana's, if only because you can
 highlight a portion of JS code in an HTML of CFM file, and select open in
 JSEclipse giving you all

RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)

Could it possibly have been AV? We had an awful time with it and Eclipse due
to the JAR loading etc. We had to disable it in the end for the Eclipse dir
and bam..all sweet.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 10 May 2007 12:24
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything but a
very modern machine.  The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of ram.
I found CFEclipse to horribly slow.  At my current position, they use
eclipse.  To load their internet site into a project took all day (about 7
hours).  After that and several crashes, I went back to dreamweaver.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

Nonsense. Eclipse (been around for ages) and CFEclipse will run just fine on
a modern machine. It takes centre stage in primetime.

how much ram do you have? 

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-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Thu May 10 02:35:36 2007
Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

Ben had a bit of a problem with Eclipse as the Chicago CFUG meeting
Monday...granted he had a buttload of stuff running on his laptop, but
Eclipse took up a large chunk of real estate and he had to shut it down to
let everything else run...

I have never had any luck with Eclipse and CFEclipse.  I think it is a great
idea...just not ready for primetime yet.

Eric

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

Great stuff Doug! That'll keep me busy.

Previously I thought someone mentioned CFEclipse running a small footprint
in RAM. Mine is running at 210M! I have another Gig of RAM on order, but
it's quite a bit of a change from the 14M of Homesite.

Greg

On 5/9/07, Doug Bezona [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing
  variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the
 extra
  quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no
 more
  insight for cfsqltype or other parameters.

 This does sometimes get flaky. Try CTRL-Space after.

 3. You can ctrl-z, but then you can't ctrl-shift-z back to where you were
  (ctrl-shift-z opens a color pallette)?

 CTRL-Y is redo. And pretty much ALL keyboard shortcuts in Eclipse are
 changeable. And for super-duper undo/redo on steroids, right click on a
 file
 in the navigator and check out compare with - local history...

 4. ctrl-F6 to toggle between open documents can't be done with one hand
 (not
  my hands anyways)

 Again, you can remap the shortcuts. Windows - Preferences - General -
 Keys.

  3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?

 Definitely take some time and check out what Eclipse offers natively -
 things like working sets can be handy, there are a ton of customization
 options, etc.

 For plugins, you definitely want the Adobe ColdFusion plugins, which
 includes RDS file and database support, a query builder, the full CF
 documentation in Eclipse Help format, and some other handy little bits.
 Unfortunately, getting them is a bit of an annoying process, as they are
 currently only distributed as part of Flex Builder. Just download and
 install the trial from Adobe.com, dig around for the ColdFusion plugins
 zip
 file in the install directory, and follow the included install
 instructions.

 Also, check out the Mylar project. http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/ - in
 particular, take the time to watch the Webinar:
 http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/start.php - it's essentially a task driven
 development system, that is hard to explain in a couple of sentences,
 but
 is, in my opinion, startlingly brilliant once you get it.

 A couple more handy plug-ins:
 1. Aptana (www.aptana.com) for good

Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Yes nice addition Now if only I can get CFUnit view to work..

On 5/10/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 I also sorted mine...;-) lovely.





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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-10 Thread Mark Drew

*Sigh* whats wrong with the that view?

Also, try emailing the cfeclipse user's group. They should also give  
you a hand.
http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users?lnk=srg

MD


On 10 May 2007, at 13:56, Andrew Scott wrote:

 Yes nice addition Now if only I can get CFUnit view to work..


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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-10 Thread Mark Drew

I have posted an intro screen-cast of using the frameworks view over  
at the CFEclipse web-site.

I shall be posting more tomorrow morning.

I tend to record these in my early morning (6 am) coding sessions so  
there will be more coming up over the next few weeks. Also, from now  
on I shall just be doing them as .mov files. The converting to flv  
was taking too long.

Check it out at : http://www.cfeclipse.org/index.cfm?event=pagepage=TV

Let me know what you think.

(and no, it isn't narrated by Morris O'Brien from 24)

MD


On 9 May 2007, at 21:31, Andrew Scott wrote:

 From what I see if you have the view open, you can see all the  
 framework XML
 settings like coldspring if you have it, reactor and MG:U and  
 fusebox etc.

 You can also drill in to each node as well.



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 Yep, I have a project (model-glue), I have a file open... Now  
 what? :-)






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 Subject: Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

 open a file that's part of a project that's part of a framework :)

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 Subject: Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

 Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they  
 had an
 old version of CFEclipse.

 I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
 manager) and then install them again.

 MD

 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to  
 use
 it.

 I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it
 again
 but
 no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors  
 and
 the
 cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.



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 Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you
 need
 to update CFEclipse too.

 MD

 On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML  
 Frameworks
 Explorer.

 ?

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 How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but
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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread owner

I can't disable AV here to test that theory...all I know was it was like
trying to run the current version of photoshop on a 286 hehehe.

Eric

 Could it possibly have been AV? We had an awful time with it and Eclipse
 due
 to the JAR loading etc. We had to disable it in the end for the Eclipse
 dir
 and bam..all sweet.



 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 10 May 2007 12:24
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything but a
 very modern machine.  The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of
 ram.
 I found CFEclipse to horribly slow.  At my current position, they use
 eclipse.  To load their internet site into a project took all day (about 7
 hours).  After that and several crashes, I went back to dreamweaver.

 Eric


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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Russ

Eclipse is slow... definatelly slower then CFStudio and takes up more ram
then Dreamweaver.  It is also a lot more flexible and extensible, not to
mention free.  We've found that using something like
http://www.superspeed.com/desktop/supercache.php improved things a bit
especially for svn operations. 

Russ



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:25 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)
 
 I can't disable AV here to test that theory...all I know was it was like
 trying to run the current version of photoshop on a 286 hehehe.
 
 Eric
 
  Could it possibly have been AV? We had an awful time with it and Eclipse
  due
  to the JAR loading etc. We had to disable it in the end for the Eclipse
  dir
  and bam..all sweet.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 10 May 2007 12:24
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse!
 W
  AS (RE: Frameworks)
 
  I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything but
 a
  very modern machine.  The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of
  ram.
  I found CFEclipse to horribly slow.  At my current position, they use
  eclipse.  To load their internet site into a project took all day (about
 7
  hours).  After that and several crashes, I went back to dreamweaver.
 
  Eric
 
 
 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Marlon Moyer

You could always use SVK to check out the project from your subversion
repo.  SVK doesn't use the .svn directory approach and in essence
looks like an exported version of the project.


On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files or
 merge what has changed.

 But I still wouldn't modify code on production, or even SVN production code.
 the reason being is that you also end up with all the svn directories there
 as well.

 But hey if it works for you... I just frown upon the idea that you are doing
 it this way, and DO NOT consider what you do, to be best practice at all.



 On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cool,
  
   Still curious why Russ trunks a production server...
  
  
 
  We have a fairly large codebase, and it takes a while to check it all out.
  If I'm doing a small change (lets say a spelling change, etc).  I can just
  go into that folder and do an update and it will take only a second or
  two.
  Or I can even do an update of the whole source tree, and it will still not
  take very long.
 
  I really don't see the point of exporting a whole fresh copy of the code
  just for a simple change.  Even for larger changes svn update would be
  much
  more efficient then exporting a new copy of the code.
  We also use FRS to replicate the files between cluster members, and if I
  were to export the whole code tree, it would have to sync every file to
  the
  other cluster members.
 
  Obviously developing straight on production is a no-no... but if there's
  an
  emergency, I can either roll back to an older revision, or fix the code in
  place and then commit it straight from production.
 
  With all these benefits, I don't see why you wouldn't trunk to production.
 
  If you're talking about why we use trunk instead of a branch, that's just
  a
  decision we've made that works for us.  Trunk is always the latest stable
  code that's on production, and it makes making small changes easy.  As I
  mentioned, for larger changes we use branches which get merged into trunk
  once they've passed QA.
 
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Doug Bezona

It can be slow to start up, but I haven't had any real issues with speed
once it's up and running.

RAM usage does tend to be around 200MB or so for my install. This tends to
vary depending on how many plugins are installed and views are open.

It's definitely faster than Dreamweaver in almost all respects in my
experience. Yes, it's piggier than CFStudio/HomeSite, which is partially the
Java underpinnings, but mostly because it's also has a lot more
functionality.

You can trim things down a fair bit by downloading just the Platform Runtime
Binary (
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.2.2-200702121330/,
about halfway down the page) - it's 34MB vs. 120MB+ for the whole SDK
download, and being generally ruthless about uninstalling plugins you try
but end up not using.


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 Eclipse is slow... definatelly slower then CFStudio and takes up more ram
 then Dreamweaver.  It is also a lot more flexible and extensible, not to
 mention free.  We've found that using something like
 http://www.superspeed.com/desktop/supercache.php improved things a bit
 especially for svn operations.

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread owner

BTW...anyone have Eclipse installed on Vista yet?

Eric

 I can't disable AV here to test that theory...all I know was it was like
 trying to run the current version of photoshop on a 286 hehehe.

 Eric

 Could it possibly have been AV? We had an awful time with it and Eclipse
 due
 to the JAR loading etc. We had to disable it in the end for the Eclipse
 dir
 and bam..all sweet.



 -Original Message-
 From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 10 May 2007 12:24
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse!
 W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything but
 a
 very modern machine.  The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of
 ram.
 I found CFEclipse to horribly slow.  At my current position, they use
 eclipse.  To load their internet site into a project took all day (about
 7
 hours).  After that and several crashes, I went back to dreamweaver.

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Dave Watts

 BTW...anyone have Eclipse installed on Vista yet?

Yes, I do.

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

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Don't be so verbose Dave *grin*

Any issues I should know about before i try it out again?  I really want
to check out the dubugger for CF8 :-D

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 Yes, I do.

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-10 Thread Dave Watts

 Don't be so verbose Dave *grin*
 
 Any issues I should know about before i try it out again?  I 
 really want to check out the dubugger for CF8 :-D

I didn't say any more because I haven't had any problems with it. Granted,
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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Honestly Mark I do not know...

I just can't get the test to return anything, but at this stage it could be
just human error...



On 5/11/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 *Sigh* whats wrong with the that view?

 Also, try emailing the cfeclipse user's group. They should also give
 you a hand.
 http://groups.google.com/group/cfeclipse-users?lnk=srg

 MD


 On 10 May 2007, at 13:56, Andrew Scott wrote:

  Yes nice addition Now if only I can get CFUnit view to work..


 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Yes..

On 5/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 BTW...anyone have Eclipse installed on Vista yet?

 Eric

  I can't disable AV here to test that theory...all I know was it was like
  trying to run the current version of photoshop on a 286 hehehe.
 
  Eric
 
  Could it possibly have been AV? We had an awful time with it and
 Eclipse
  due
  to the JAR loading etc. We had to disable it in the end for the Eclipse
  dir
  and bam..all sweet.
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 10 May 2007 12:24
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to
 Eclipse!
  W
  AS (RE: Frameworks)
 
  I am not sure what Ben's laptop has, but somehow I doubt is anything
 but
  a
  very modern machine.  The systems I have worked on all had 1-2 gigs of
  ram.
  I found CFEclipse to horribly slow.  At my current position, they use
  eclipse.  To load their internet site into a project took all day
 (about
  7
  hours).  After that and several crashes, I went back to dreamweaver.
 
  Eric
 
 
 

 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

 1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite anothe
 component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I can
 revision the changes to that file and revert back rather than recode from
 memory.

 2) I have an open source application, I have released V0.2 and rather than
 wait for all bugs to be found I start working on V0.3 but before I do that I
 branch the code. Now this allows me to continue working on V0.3 and anytime
 a bug is found in V0.2 I can switch back to it an fix the problem. Then I
 can submit back to that branch, now if this is also going to be a problem
 for V0.3 I can now merge that code with that version and switch back and
 continue on with V0.3

Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that I
have neglected heretofore.

-Aaron

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter

On 5/9/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite anothe
  component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I can
  revision the changes to that file and revert back rather than recode from
  memory.
 
  2) I have an open source application, I have released V0.2 and rather than
  wait for all bugs to be found I start working on V0.3 but before I do that I
  branch the code. Now this allows me to continue working on V0.3 and anytime
  a bug is found in V0.2 I can switch back to it an fix the problem. Then I
  can submit back to that branch, now if this is also going to be a problem
  for V0.3 I can now merge that code with that version and switch back and
  continue on with V0.3

 Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that I
 have neglected heretofore.

At the risk of self-promotion, you could check out my class at
CFUnited, which is covering SVN, Ant, and a host of other related
technologies for getting started with development best practices.

http://www.teratech.com/go/classdetails?trainingaction=detailTID=274

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Thanks John, but I highly doubt my employer will send me to CFUnited
(and I surely can't afford it). I would like to be walked through the
process though. While it may be simple and straight forward for those
who do it, I don't even know where to start at this point.

-Aaron

On 5/9/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/9/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite 
   anothe
   component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I 
   can
   revision the changes to that file and revert back rather than recode from
   memory.
  
   2) I have an open source application, I have released V0.2 and rather than
   wait for all bugs to be found I start working on V0.3 but before I do 
   that I
   branch the code. Now this allows me to continue working on V0.3 and 
   anytime
   a bug is found in V0.2 I can switch back to it an fix the problem. Then I
   can submit back to that branch, now if this is also going to be a problem
   for V0.3 I can now merge that code with that version and switch back and
   continue on with V0.3
 
  Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that I
  have neglected heretofore.

 At the risk of self-promotion, you could check out my class at
 CFUnited, which is covering SVN, Ant, and a host of other related
 technologies for getting started with development best practices.

 http://www.teratech.com/go/classdetails?trainingaction=detailTID=274

 --
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

I have been using (CF)Eclipse for a while now and I am really
beginning to doubt the benefits of it over DW. Here are the things I
do like about (CF)Eclipse:

1) It has never stalled or frozen on startup or at any other point of time
2) I love the Outline and Methods views (and it doesn't stall when
drilling down into them)
3) The TODO thing is sweet!
4) Code collapse by default and entirely configurable is much better
than DW code collapse
5) The new Frameworks view is sweet!
6) It really brings the word integrated out of IDE with the ability
to install multiple plugins for A-Z

I can't think of anything else.

However, I couldn't even begin to make a list of all the things I love
about DW, it has so many capabilities. For me, DW would nearly be
complete if somebody like Mossimo Foti and/or Danilo Celic (or ADOBE!)
created the following:

1) Outline and Methods Views that mimicked CFEclipse (the DW
components view stalls nearly everytime as it tries to do too much by
listing every component in the project and provide a drill down of its
methods).
2) A TODO thing
3) Code collapse support like CFEclipse
4) A Frameworks view
5) SVN
6) ANT

Since there is not way for DW to become as integrated as Eclipse,
however, I really think that Adobe should build DW as an Eclipse
plugin and port all of it's many features to the Eclipse platform.
That, my friends, would really be sweet! Should we start a petition to
that affect and deliver to Adobe?

-Aaron

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Matt Williams

On 5/9/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/9/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that I
have neglected heretofore.

At the risk of self-promotion, you could check out my class at
CFUnited, which is covering SVN, Ant, and a host of other related
technologies for getting started with development best practices.

http://www.teratech.com/go/classdetails?trainingaction=detailTID=274

Aaron, I understand not being able to make it to CFUnited. And because
John Paul is humble, I will also mention that he is available for
consulting on these types of issues. Getting yourself setup with
subversion correctly is money well spent. I have worked with John and
can vouch for his level of expertise in this matter.

With that said, if you want to go the poor man's route, you can do so.
It just requires a bit more effort and time on your part. Here are
some resources to get you started:
A pretty good blog entry about the concept of version control in a CF
environment:
http://www.ryanguill.com/blog/?mode=entryentry=897E322E-40CA-6D1C-8A4C3B3FE67B7FD9

Free online book about subversion (the manual):
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/

Googling subversion and coldfusion turns up quite a bit of useful
links, including this one:
http://www.robgonda.com/blog/index.cfm/2005/7/7/Subversion-up-and-running-in-30-minutes-or-less

Just a note as I'm not sure if it has been made clear. To use source
control, such as subversion, you do not have to use Eclipse. You
should use source control even if you stick with Dreamweaver. In
either case you need a client program to interact with the
subversion server. Subclipse is a way to do it directly in Eclipse.
Tortoise seems to be the most popular way outside of eclipse. It
simply provides right-click context menus on any directory that is
part of a source control repository.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-09 Thread Charlie Griefer

Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks Explorer.

?

On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I can't see
 it anywhere?

 Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years now and
 never had a problem with updates etc..



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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-09 Thread Mark Drew

Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
to update CFEclipse too.

MD

On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks Explorer.

 ?

 On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I can't see
  it anywhere?
 
  Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years now and
  never had a problem with updates etc..
 
 
 
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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Andy Matthews

I'll throw this out there.

Aaron West (my boss and the Nashville CFUG group leader) has a 5 part walk
through on how to set up SVN, Subversion and all that jazz.

Starts here:
http://www.trajiklyhip.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/3/12/Configuring-a-Developmen
t-Environment-with-Apache-Subversion-TortoiseSVN-and-Subclipse 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 11:28 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

On 5/9/07, John Paul Ashenfelter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 5/9/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that 
  I have neglected heretofore.

 At the risk of self-promotion, you could check out my class at 
 CFUnited, which is covering SVN, Ant, and a host of other related 
 technologies for getting started with development best practices.

 http://www.teratech.com/go/classdetails?trainingaction=detailTID=274


Aaron, I understand not being able to make it to CFUnited. And because John
Paul is humble, I will also mention that he is available for consulting on
these types of issues. Getting yourself setup with subversion correctly is
money well spent. I have worked with John and can vouch for his level of
expertise in this matter.

With that said, if you want to go the poor man's route, you can do so.
It just requires a bit more effort and time on your part. Here are some
resources to get you started:
A pretty good blog entry about the concept of version control in a CF
environment:
http://www.ryanguill.com/blog/?mode=entryentry=897E322E-40CA-6D1C-8A4C3B3FE
67B7FD9

Free online book about subversion (the manual):
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/

Googling subversion and coldfusion turns up quite a bit of useful links,
including this one:
http://www.robgonda.com/blog/index.cfm/2005/7/7/Subversion-up-and-running-in
-30-minutes-or-less

Just a note as I'm not sure if it has been made clear. To use source
control, such as subversion, you do not have to use Eclipse. You should use
source control even if you stick with Dreamweaver. In either case you need a
client program to interact with the subversion server. Subclipse is a way
to do it directly in Eclipse.
Tortoise seems to be the most popular way outside of eclipse. It simply
provides right-click context menus on any directory that is part of a source
control repository.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use it.

I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it again but
no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and the
cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.



On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
 to update CFEclipse too.

 MD

 On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
 Explorer.
 
  ?
 
  On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I
 can't see
   it anywhere?
  
   Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years now
 and
   never had a problem with updates etc..
  
  
  
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Aaron,

The SVN manual is a good place to start, but it isn't that hard to
understand as long as you follow the SVN recommended structure of

/projectname
/projectname/trunk
/projectname/branches/
/projectname/tags

then using eclipse to make it easier for you, get a plugin like subversive
and use the team-switch to then select the branch you wish to switch too.
I'll be happy to answer any other questions too.



On 5/10/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  1) I make changes and submit the working code to SVN, later I rewrite
 anothe
  component then relise that the previous code I wrote worked better. So I
 can
  revision the changes to that file and revert back rather than recode
 from
  memory.
 
  2) I have an open source application, I have released V0.2 and rather
 than
  wait for all bugs to be found I start working on V0.3 but before I do
 that I
  branch the code. Now this allows me to continue working on V0.3 and
 anytime
  a bug is found in V0.2 I can switch back to it an fix the problem. Then
 I
  can submit back to that branch, now if this is also going to be a
 problem
  for V0.3 I can now merge that code with that version and switch back and
  continue on with V0.3

 Where can I learn how to do the above. That is very cool stuff that I
 have neglected heretofore.

 -Aaron

 

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Damien McKenna

Two things to keep in mind with SVN:

* Branches and tags are just normal directories within the repository,
it's just a convention to treat them differently.  Some software works
within this convention, others don't care.

* You can set up multiple, separate repositories in one directory, e.g.
D:\SVNData has all the repositories so you have
D:\SVNData\mainwebsite, D:\SVNData\greenshiney, etc.  Then just tell
the SVN service to use the D:\SVNData directory as the repository root
and reference your projects as e.g. svn://servername/greenshiney/trunk,
etc; ditto for the Apache module, there's a configuration option to tell
it what the repository parent directory is.


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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Yeah thats where reading the manual will help...

BTW, I blogged this entry the other day and for those who want to see
versions of code without using SVN try this.

http://www.andyscott.id.au/index.cfm/2007/5/9/Eclipse-hidden-gem



On 5/10/07, Damien McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Two things to keep in mind with SVN:

 * Branches and tags are just normal directories within the repository,
 it's just a convention to treat them differently.  Some software works
 within this convention, others don't care.

 * You can set up multiple, separate repositories in one directory, e.g.
 D:\SVNData has all the repositories so you have
 D:\SVNData\mainwebsite, D:\SVNData\greenshiney, etc.  Then just tell
 the SVN service to use the D:\SVNData directory as the repository root
 and reference your projects as e.g. svn://servername/greenshiney/trunk,
 etc; ditto for the Apache module, there's a configuration option to tell
 it what the repository parent directory is.


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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and Damien.

I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN repository
but I have never created one myself.

I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web
application. Would I create a mapping on my development machine to one
of the trunks for testing in the browser and also set that trunk to
deploy to the root of my live server? Sorry if that question is an
unintelligible one, there are some major gaps in my understanding.

In the meantime, I am going to take a look at some of those links and
perhaps the SVN manual.

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Aaron,

One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not. Never
SVN production code, only development code.

Now depending on where your production server is the best utility on the
market is Beyond Compare, i would love an Eclipse plugin for this but I use
it to only upload changes that are necessary to upload, and the beauty is it
will work over FTP as well just a little harder to use that way.

But I should also blog some code I have with Ant in Eclipse that can also
package (Zip up) the source code move it to another directory as well as
encrypt the code and move it to a testing server.

And just so you know my workstation is my development machine, and we have a
testing server that is just that for testing by the testers, and client
before going live into production.

-- 

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On 5/10/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and Damien.

 I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN repository
 but I have never created one myself.

 I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web
 application. Would I create a mapping on my development machine to one
 of the trunks for testing in the browser and also set that trunk to
 deploy to the root of my live server? Sorry if that question is an
 unintelligible one, there are some major gaps in my understanding.

 In the meantime, I am going to take a look at some of those links and
 perhaps the SVN manual.

 -Aaron

 

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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-09 Thread Mark Drew

Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they had an
old version of CFEclipse.

I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
manager) and then install them again.

MD

On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use it.

 I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it again but
 no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and the
 cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.



 On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
  to update CFEclipse too.
 
  MD
 
  On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
  Explorer.
  
   ?
  
   On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I
  can't see
it anywhere?
   
Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years now
  and
never had a problem with updates etc..
   
   
   
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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Mark,

*g* I Think I said I did that:-)



On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they had an
 old version of CFEclipse.

 I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
 manager) and then install them again.

 MD

 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use it.
 
  I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it again
 but
  no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and the
  cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.
 
 
 
  On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
   to update CFEclipse too.
  
   MD
  
   On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
   Explorer.
   
?
   
On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I
   can't see
 it anywhere?

 Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years
 now
   and
 never had a problem with updates etc..



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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Mark,

If this helps...

1) When going to the templates I get this error.

Unable to create the selected preference page.

Reason.
Plug-in org.cfeclipse.cfml was unable to load class
org.cfeclipse.cfml.preferences.CFMLTemplatesPreferencePage

2) When configuring from the view

Could not accept Changes
The currently displayed page contains invalid values.



On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they had an
 old version of CFEclipse.

 I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
 manager) and then install them again.

 MD

 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use it.
 
  I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it again
 but
  no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and the
  cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.
 
 
 
  On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
   to update CFEclipse too.
  
   MD
  
   On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
   Explorer.
   
?
   
On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I
   can't see
 it anywhere?

 Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years
 now
   and
 never had a problem with updates etc..



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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not.
 Never
 SVN production code, only development code.
 

Andrew,

Exactly what's wrong with using SVN with production code?

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

 -Original Message-
 From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and Damien.
 
 I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN repository
 but I have never created one myself.
 
 I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web
 application. Would I create a mapping on my development machine to one
 of the trunks for testing in the browser and also set that trunk to
 deploy to the root of my live server? Sorry if that question is an
 unintelligible one, there are some major gaps in my understanding.
 

Aaron, 

What we do is use trunk that's checked out on dev and production.  Small
updates are done directly to trunk.  Larger changes are done on branches,
then tested on QA and when ready merged into trunk.  It's worked well for us
without the need to use FTP or ANT.  

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Why would you?


On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not.
  Never
  SVN production code, only development code.
 


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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Trunks checked out from Dev and Production? You can't be serious.



On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and Damien.
 
  I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN repository
  but I have never created one myself.
 
  I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web
  application. Would I create a mapping on my development machine to one
  of the trunks for testing in the browser and also set that trunk to
  deploy to the root of my live server? Sorry if that question is an
  unintelligible one, there are some major gaps in my understanding.
 

 Aaron,

 What we do is use trunk that's checked out on dev and production.  Small
 updates are done directly to trunk.  Larger changes are done on branches,
 then tested on QA and when ready merged into trunk.  It's worked well for
 us
 without the need to use FTP or ANT.

 Russ




 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

There is nothing really wrong with it as a backup store etc, you obviously
wouldn't need to work on it directly but follow release cycles.



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Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not.
 Never
 SVN production code, only development code.
 

Andrew,

Exactly what's wrong with using SVN with production code?

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Neil,

But thats why you have a development machine, and commit from there? maybe I
am just to logical for you all *lol*



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 There is nothing really wrong with it as a backup store etc, you obviously
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 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not.
  Never
  SVN production code, only development code.
 

 Andrew,

 Exactly what's wrong with using SVN with production code?

 Russ




 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Yeah, we commit etc from a dev environment, then we deploy to test, uat,
system test, pre-prod and prod from the build.



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AS (RE: Frameworks)

Neil,

But thats why you have a development machine, and commit from there? maybe I
am just to logical for you all *lol*



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 There is nothing really wrong with it as a backup store etc, you obviously
 wouldn't need to work on it directly but follow release cycles.



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 Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not.
  Never
  SVN production code, only development code.
 

 Andrew,

 Exactly what's wrong with using SVN with production code?

 Russ




 



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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Cool,

Still curious why Russ trunks a production server...



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 Yeah, we commit etc from a dev environment, then we deploy to test, uat,
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 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 Neil,

 But thats why you have a development machine, and commit from there? maybe
 I
 am just to logical for you all *lol*



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 obviously
  wouldn't need to work on it directly but follow release cycles.
 
 
 
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  Subject: RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse!
 W
  AS (RE: Frameworks)
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   One thing to keep in mind, not sure if you meant it like this or not.
   Never
   SVN production code, only development code.
  
 
  Andrew,
 
  Exactly what's wrong with using SVN with production code?
 
  Russ
 
 
 
 
 



 

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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

OK, I have it now... Errm, how do you use it? :-)





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Subject: Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they had an
old version of CFEclipse.

I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
manager) and then install them again.

MD

On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use it.

 I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it again
but
 no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and the
 cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.



 On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
  to update CFEclipse too.
 
  MD
 
  On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
  Explorer.
  
   ?
  
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How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I
  can't see
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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

2007-05-09 Thread Charlie Griefer

open a file that's part of a project that's part of a framework :)

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 Subject: Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

 Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they had an
 old version of CFEclipse.

 I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
 manager) and then install them again.

 MD

 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use it.
 
  I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it again
 but
  no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and the
  cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.
 
 
 
  On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
   to update CFEclipse too.
  
   MD
  
   On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
   Explorer.
   
?
   
On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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 How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I
   can't see
 it anywhere?

 Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years now
   and
 never had a problem with updates etc..



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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cool,
 
 Still curious why Russ trunks a production server...
 
 

We have a fairly large codebase, and it takes a while to check it all out.
If I'm doing a small change (lets say a spelling change, etc).  I can just
go into that folder and do an update and it will take only a second or two.
Or I can even do an update of the whole source tree, and it will still not
take very long.  

I really don't see the point of exporting a whole fresh copy of the code
just for a simple change.  Even for larger changes svn update would be much
more efficient then exporting a new copy of the code. 
We also use FRS to replicate the files between cluster members, and if I
were to export the whole code tree, it would have to sync every file to the
other cluster members.  

Obviously developing straight on production is a no-no... but if there's an
emergency, I can either roll back to an older revision, or fix the code in
place and then commit it straight from production.  

With all these benefits, I don't see why you wouldn't trunk to production.  

If you're talking about why we use trunk instead of a branch, that's just a
decision we've made that works for us.  Trunk is always the latest stable
code that's on production, and it makes making small changes easy.  As I
mentioned, for larger changes we use branches which get merged into trunk
once they've passed QA. 

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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Thats pretty cool.

Still get those errors mark, and if your listening it would be nice to have
them as to columns rather than rows or the ability to switch or something to
maimise realestate.



On 5/10/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 open a file that's part of a project that's part of a framework :)

 On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
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  To: CF-Talk
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  Subject: Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse
 
  Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they had an
  old version of CFEclipse.
 
  I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
  manager) and then install them again.
 
  MD
 
  On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use
 it.
  
   I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it
 again
  but
   no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and
 the
   cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.
  
  
  
   On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you
 need
to update CFEclipse too.
   
MD
   
On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
Explorer.

 ?

 On 5/9/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but
 I
can't see
  it anywhere?
 
  Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years
 now
and
  never had a problem with updates etc..
 
 
 
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Greg Luce

I know this morphed into an SVN conversation, but the CFEclipse subject
motivated me to try to push through the Eclipse learning curve again. (I've
tried a few times prior only to give up after a couple hours of
frustration). But this time I've made it 24 hours! Here are my findings:

Installed new Eclipse 3.2
Installed CFEclipse through the updater as well as SubClipse

Likes:
1. like the way it indents.
2. like the tag-insight/completion stuff for writing new code from scratch
3. smart snippets cfdump var=#$${var} / and it'll prompt you for the
var.
4. SubClipse is great.

Dislikes:
1. dislike lack of Tag Editor
2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing
variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the extra
quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no more
insight for cfsqltype or other parameters.
3. You can ctrl-z, but then you can't ctrl-shift-z back to where you were
(ctrl-shift-z opens a color pallette)?
4. ctrl-F6 to toggle between open documents can't be done with one hand (not
my hands anyways)

Questions:
1. Is there a codesweeper type of thing for nasty old code?
2. In Locations can you point to a network path, or just mapped drives?
3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?

Greg



On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Trunks checked out from Dev and Production? You can't be serious.



 On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and
 Damien.
  
   I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN repository
   but I have never created one myself.
  
   I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web
   application. Would I create a mapping on my development machine to one
   of the trunks for testing in the browser and also set that trunk to
   deploy to the root of my live server? Sorry if that question is an
   unintelligible one, there are some major gaps in my understanding.
  
 
  Aaron,
 
  What we do is use trunk that's checked out on dev and production.  Small
  updates are done directly to trunk.  Larger changes are done on
 branches,
  then tested on QA and when ready merged into trunk.  It's worked well
 for
  us
  without the need to use FTP or ANT.
 
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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

 3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?
 

Well Aptana was mentioned, and I have it installed, but it only seems to be
helpful for css and html files, not cfm files.  In css files it gives you
great insight to css properties.  

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Bezona


 2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing
 variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the extra
 quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no more
 insight for cfsqltype or other parameters.


This does sometimes get flaky. Try CTRL-Space after.

3. You can ctrl-z, but then you can't ctrl-shift-z back to where you were
 (ctrl-shift-z opens a color pallette)?


CTRL-Y is redo. And pretty much ALL keyboard shortcuts in Eclipse are
changeable. And for super-duper undo/redo on steroids, right click on a file
in the navigator and check out compare with - local history...


4. ctrl-F6 to toggle between open documents can't be done with one hand (not
 my hands anyways)


Again, you can remap the shortcuts. Windows - Preferences - General -
Keys.


 3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?


 Definitely take some time and check out what Eclipse offers natively -
things like working sets can be handy, there are a ton of customization
options, etc.

For plugins, you definitely want the Adobe ColdFusion plugins, which
includes RDS file and database support, a query builder, the full CF
documentation in Eclipse Help format, and some other handy little bits.
Unfortunately, getting them is a bit of an annoying process, as they are
currently only distributed as part of Flex Builder. Just download and
install the trial from Adobe.com, dig around for the ColdFusion plugins zip
file in the install directory, and follow the included install instructions.

Also, check out the Mylar project. http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/ - in
particular, take the time to watch the Webinar:
http://www.eclipse.org/mylar/start.php - it's essentially a task driven
development system, that is hard to explain in a couple of sentences, but
is, in my opinion, startlingly brilliant once you get it.

A couple more handy plug-ins:
1. Aptana (www.aptana.com) for good HTML, CSS and JavaScript support, as
well as a very good file browser with FTP and SFTP support, including file
synchronization.

2. JSEclipse, (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/) which I think
is a better JavaScript editor than Aptana's, if only because you can
highlight a portion of JS code in an HTML of CFM file, and select open in
JSEclipse giving you all of the handy JS completion, etc. stuff, and
keeping it synched up with the original file.

3. QuantumDB (http://quantum.sourceforge.net/), a nice little database
browser, SQL editor plugin.


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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files or
merge what has changed.

But I still wouldn't modify code on production, or even SVN production code.
the reason being is that you also end up with all the svn directories there
as well.

But hey if it works for you... I just frown upon the idea that you are doing
it this way, and DO NOT consider what you do, to be best practice at all.



On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cool,
 
  Still curious why Russ trunks a production server...
 
 

 We have a fairly large codebase, and it takes a while to check it all out.
 If I'm doing a small change (lets say a spelling change, etc).  I can just
 go into that folder and do an update and it will take only a second or
 two.
 Or I can even do an update of the whole source tree, and it will still not
 take very long.

 I really don't see the point of exporting a whole fresh copy of the code
 just for a simple change.  Even for larger changes svn update would be
 much
 more efficient then exporting a new copy of the code.
 We also use FRS to replicate the files between cluster members, and if I
 were to export the whole code tree, it would have to sync every file to
 the
 other cluster members.

 Obviously developing straight on production is a no-no... but if there's
 an
 emergency, I can either roll back to an older revision, or fix the code in
 place and then commit it straight from production.

 With all these benefits, I don't see why you wouldn't trunk to production.

 If you're talking about why we use trunk instead of a branch, that's just
 a
 decision we've made that works for us.  Trunk is always the latest stable
 code that's on production, and it makes making small changes easy.  As I
 mentioned, for larger changes we use branches which get merged into trunk
 once they've passed QA.

 Russ




 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Subclipse is evil, and very buggy...

Go with Subversive instead its by far the better of the SVN plugins.
Especially when you are using branches and tags, Subclipse has serious
issues with that.



On 5/10/07, Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know this morphed into an SVN conversation, but the CFEclipse subject
 motivated me to try to push through the Eclipse learning curve again.
 (I've
 tried a few times prior only to give up after a couple hours of
 frustration). But this time I've made it 24 hours! Here are my findings:

 Installed new Eclipse 3.2
 Installed CFEclipse through the updater as well as SubClipse

 Likes:
 1. like the way it indents.
 2. like the tag-insight/completion stuff for writing new code from scratch
 3. smart snippets cfdump var=#$${var} / and it'll prompt you for the
 var.
 4. SubClipse is great.

 Dislikes:
 1. dislike lack of Tag Editor
 2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing
 variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the extra
 quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no more
 insight for cfsqltype or other parameters.
 3. You can ctrl-z, but then you can't ctrl-shift-z back to where you were
 (ctrl-shift-z opens a color pallette)?
 4. ctrl-F6 to toggle between open documents can't be done with one hand
 (not
 my hands anyways)

 Questions:
 1. Is there a codesweeper type of thing for nasty old code?
 2. In Locations can you point to a network path, or just mapped drives?
 3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?

 Greg



 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Trunks checked out from Dev and Production? You can't be serious.
 
 
 
  On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and
  Damien.
   
I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN
 repository
but I have never created one myself.
   
I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web
application. Would I create a mapping on my development machine to
 one
of the trunks for testing in the browser and also set that trunk to
deploy to the root of my live server? Sorry if that question is an
unintelligible one, there are some major gaps in my understanding.
   
  
   Aaron,
  
   What we do is use trunk that's checked out on dev and
 production.  Small
   updates are done directly to trunk.  Larger changes are done on
  branches,
   then tested on QA and when ready merged into trunk.  It's worked well
  for
   us
   without the need to use FTP or ANT.
  
   Russ
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Aptana is great for other things, especially JS, Dojo and other frameworks
it knows about.

No it doesn't know about CFML, but it would be nice if CFEclipse could
somehow leverage of Aptan for inline CFML, JS, CSS etc using the Aptana
insights...

On the Aptana website there is a section with all the things Aptana knows
about and I tell you its impresive. The other thing that is not very common
with Aptana, is with FF and their FF plugin you can line debug JS code a
very handy addition to any arsenal of tools.




On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?
 

 Well Aptana was mentioned, and I have it installed, but it only seems to
 be
 helpful for css and html files, not cfm files.  In css files it gives you
 great insight to css properties.

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Never had a problem with it.. Ever.



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-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Wed May 09 20:47:04 2007
Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

Subclipse is evil, and very buggy...

Go with Subversive instead its by far the better of the SVN plugins.
Especially when you are using branches and tags, Subclipse has serious
issues with that.



On 5/10/07, Greg Luce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know this morphed into an SVN conversation, but the CFEclipse subject
 motivated me to try to push through the Eclipse learning curve again.
 (I've
 tried a few times prior only to give up after a couple hours of
 frustration). But this time I've made it 24 hours! Here are my findings:

 Installed new Eclipse 3.2
 Installed CFEclipse through the updater as well as SubClipse

 Likes:
 1. like the way it indents.
 2. like the tag-insight/completion stuff for writing new code from scratch
 3. smart snippets cfdump var=#$${var} / and it'll prompt you for the
 var.
 4. SubClipse is great.

 Dislikes:
 1. dislike lack of Tag Editor
 2. dislike tag-insight/completion when say trying to put an existing
 variable into a cfqueryparam. After doing the value and deleting the extra
 quote, then putting the quotes after the variable I hit space and no more
 insight for cfsqltype or other parameters.
 3. You can ctrl-z, but then you can't ctrl-shift-z back to where you were
 (ctrl-shift-z opens a color pallette)?
 4. ctrl-F6 to toggle between open documents can't be done with one hand
 (not
 my hands anyways)

 Questions:
 1. Is there a codesweeper type of thing for nasty old code?
 2. In Locations can you point to a network path, or just mapped drives?
 3. What's next in this adventure? What other plugins should I try?

 Greg



 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Trunks checked out from Dev and Production? You can't be serious.
 
 
 
  On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
-Original Message-
From: Aaron Roberson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
Wow, what a series of resourceful posts! Thanks Matt, Andrew and
  Damien.
   
I have used Tortoise to pull items down from an SVN or CVN
 repository
but I have never created one myself.
   
I guess I don't understand how I would use SVN for a live web
application. Would I create a mapping on my development machine to
 one
of the trunks for testing in the browser and also set that trunk to
deploy to the root of my live server? Sorry if that question is an
unintelligible one, there are some major gaps in my understanding.
   
  
   Aaron,
  
   What we do is use trunk that's checked out on dev and
 production.  Small
   updates are done directly to trunk.  Larger changes are done on
  branches,
   then tested on QA and when ready merged into trunk.  It's worked well
  for
   us
   without the need to use FTP or ANT.
  
   Russ
  
  
  
  
  
 
 

 



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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

We have. But unless you use it to do branches and switching etc you may not
see the problems it poses.


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 Never had a problem with it.. Ever.



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 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 Subclipse is evil, and very buggy...

 Go with Subversive instead its by far the better of the SVN plugins.
 Especially when you are using branches and tags, Subclipse has serious
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

We use Tortoise for that stuff.



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Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
AS (RE: Frameworks)

We have. But unless you use it to do branches and switching etc you may not
see the problems it poses.


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 Never had a problem with it.. Ever.



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 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
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 Subclipse is evil, and very buggy...

 Go with Subversive instead its by far the better of the SVN plugins.
 Especially when you are using branches and tags, Subclipse has serious
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Bezona

On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We have. But unless you use it to do branches and switching etc you may
 not
 see the problems it poses.


We do use it for that fairly frequently, and haven't had problems. Not
doubting that you have, our experience has just been very different.


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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

Yep, I have a project (model-glue), I have a file open... Now what? :-)






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Subject: Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

open a file that's part of a project that's part of a framework :)

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 Subject: Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse

 Some other people had those errors.. but that was because they had an
 old version of CFEclipse.

 I would say disable the features, uninstall them (through the update
 manager) and then install them again.

 MD

 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Doesn't work for me here, I get all sort of errors when I try to use it.
 
  I even went to the trouble of removing cfeclipse and d/loading it again
 but
  no matter how hard I try the org.cfeclispe.feature always errors and the
  cfmappings in the preferences throws errors as well.
 
 
 
  On 5/10/07, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Also there is an update to CFEclipse for the view to work, so you need
   to update CFEclipse too.
  
   MD
  
   On 5/9/07, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Window - Show View - Other - CFML Frameworks - CFML Frameworks
   Explorer.
   
?
   
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 How on earth do you activate it? I have 1.3.1.3 installed but I
   can't see
 it anywhere?

 Any pointers here? I have been happily using CFEclipse for years
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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

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 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:44 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files or
 merge what has changed.

 But I still wouldn't modify code on production, or even SVN production
 code.
 the reason being is that you also end up with all the svn directories
 there
 as well.

 But hey if it works for you... I just frown upon the idea that you are
 doing
 it this way, and DO NOT consider what you do, to be best practice at all.

Beyond compare is nice, but also very slow compared to a checked out copy.
Yes, you do end up with the .svn folders on production, but they are not
accessible through the browser, and they speed up deployments immensely.  

We used to use a tool similar to beyond compare for doing deployments, and
let me tell you, it was a PITA.  We had to zip up all the code, ftp it to
production, unzip it, and compare the two source trees.  I'm not sure why
you would consider something like that a better practice then checking out a
working copy on prd.  

I understand that you shouldn't edit files on prd, but with the old method,
that's exactly what was happening.  Because the deployment process was such
a pain, quick fixes were done directly on production.  This is no longer the
case with SVN. 

I would really like to hear why you don't think that it's the best practice.
I think our process is pretty flawless. 

Russ

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

 2. JSEclipse, (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/) which I think
 is a better JavaScript editor than Aptana's, if only because you can
 highlight a portion of JS code in an HTML of CFM file, and select open in
 JSEclipse giving you all of the handy JS completion, etc. stuff, and
 keeping it synched up with the original file.

Didn't know that about JSEclipse. I *may* reinstall it.

 3. QuantumDB (http://quantum.sourceforge.net/), a nice little database
 browser, SQL editor plugin.

I'll have to check this out. The only SQL editor I knew of was
something from ?Websphere? and I don't think it is free.

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RE: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

 -Original Message-
 From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:17 PM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W
 AS (RE: Frameworks)

 On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  We have. But unless you use it to do branches and switching etc you may
  not
  see the problems it poses.

 We do use it for that fairly frequently, and haven't had problems. Not
 doubting that you have, our experience has just been very different.

We've had problems with it as well.  Sometimes when switching to a different
branch, it will hose the working copy because of some issue (file in use,
uncommitted files, etc).  A cleanup usually fixes things, but a few times
we've had to do a fresh checkout. 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

2007-05-09 Thread Doug Bezona

Interesting - my experience has been the exact opposite. I have found
Subversive to be incredibly slow, buggy, and occasionally destructive of
files.

Shame too, because the UI for merging is much more intuitive than Subclipse,
but I have never had Subclipse do anything bad.

On 5/9/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Subclipse is evil, and very buggy...

 Go with Subversive instead its by far the better of the SVN plugins.
 Especially when you are using branches and tags, Subclipse has serious
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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

Russ,

I am begining to make some sense, did you know you can export from SVN
without checking out?


On 5/10/07, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  -Original Message-
  From: Andrew Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:44 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse!
 W
  AS (RE: Frameworks)
 
  Thats why tools like Beyond Compare is good, you only migrate the files
 or
  merge what has changed.
 
  But I still wouldn't modify code on production, or even SVN production
  code.
  the reason being is that you also end up with all the svn directories
  there
  as well.
 
  But hey if it works for you... I just frown upon the idea that you are
  doing
  it this way, and DO NOT consider what you do, to be best practice at
 all.
 
 

 Beyond compare is nice, but also very slow compared to a checked out copy.
 Yes, you do end up with the .svn folders on production, but they are not
 accessible through the browser, and they speed up deployments immensely.

 We used to use a tool similar to beyond compare for doing deployments, and
 let me tell you, it was a PITA.  We had to zip up all the code, ftp it to
 production, unzip it, and compare the two source trees.  I'm not sure why
 you would consider something like that a better practice then checking out
 a
 working copy on prd.

 I understand that you shouldn't edit files on prd, but with the old
 method,
 that's exactly what was happening.  Because the deployment process was
 such
 a pain, quick fixes were done directly on production.  This is no longer
 the
 case with SVN.

 I would really like to hear why you don't think that it's the best
 practice.
 I think our process is pretty flawless.

 Russ


 

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Re: Adobe CS3 Web Edition leaves me wanting, moving to Eclipse! W AS (RE: Frameworks)

I use SQL Explorer and found that better than QuatumDB, not sure why though
its been a year since I last looked at quantumDB... I know the java guys
here use QuantumDb though.

On 5/10/07, Aaron Roberson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  2. JSEclipse, (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/jseclipse/) which I
 think
  is a better JavaScript editor than Aptana's, if only because you can
  highlight a portion of JS code in an HTML of CFM file, and select open
 in
  JSEclipse giving you all of the handy JS completion, etc. stuff, and
  keeping it synched up with the original file.

 Didn't know that about JSEclipse. I *may* reinstall it.

  3. QuantumDB (http://quantum.sourceforge.net/), a nice little database
  browser, SQL editor plugin.

 I'll have to check this out. The only SQL editor I knew of was
 something from ?Websphere? and I don't think it is free.

 

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Re: Frameworks view in CFEclipse