Robert Simmons wrote:
Users tell me to go to wiki (which is down allot or just really slow) to
find information but its like hunting for an needle in a haystack.
This is worrying me. Is that the case? Has anyone experienced
performance issues with http://wiki.cocoondev.org/ ?
snip/
I guess
On Saturday 25 January 2003 14:17, Robert Simmons wrote:
That is the impression that I am getting and I'm curious as to feedback
from list users.
I bet you will ;o)
So how could cocoon be of use to me and others like me? If I could build a
war with simply any special classes I have
Hello,
Im developing a litle intranet, I want to use XML and i18n so I need XSLT
transformation and internacionalization support. I was planning to use
cocoon, but
Jeff Turner said there were other ways to do this for example tablibs.
My question is: are the tablibs (XTags i18n) faster than
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 01:26:09PM +0100, Jordi Valldaura wrote:
Hello,
Im developing a litle intranet
(plug.. http://xml.apache.org/forrest/ :)
, I want to use XML and i18n so I need XSLT transformation and
internacionalization support. I was planning to use cocoon, but
Jeff Turner said
There are good reasons why ctwig is hidden now, mainly because it fell out
of step with documentation as that moved on. I have intended for sometime
to update the stuff so that it can go back into the mainstream examples
but it has had to drop down my priority list for various reasons. Having
Dear all,
I would like to process an URI of the following type:
http://localhost:8080/cocoon/hellococoon?langue=anglaiscritere=organisme
The first parameter's role is to select a specified stylesheet:
langue=anglais - select participantsEN.xslt
langue=francais - select participantsFR.xslt
while
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 06:22:10PM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Saturday 25 January 2003 14:17, Robert Simmons wrote:
That is the impression that I am getting and I'm curious as to feedback
from list users.
I bet you will ;o)
So how could cocoon be of use to me and others like
AFAIR your sitemap variable is only accessible within your map:act block,
something like this:
sitemap-snippet
map:match pattern=view/**
map:act type=task
map:parameter name=method value=doAddSubjectsAndMyCategories/
map:parameter name=task-subject-node
Cyril Vidal wrote:
Dear all,
I would like to process an URI of the following type:
http://localhost:8080/cocoon/hellococoon?langue=anglaiscritere=organisme
The first parameter's role is to select a specified stylesheet:
langue=anglais - select participantsEN.xslt
langue=francais - select
hi cyril,
the problem is the '{critere}'. you have no sitemap component creating this
sitemap variable. but in this case you don't need that anyway since you are
instructing the XSLT-/TraxTransformer to 'use-request-parameters', i.e. make
all request parameters available to the stylesheet as
I think a practical and attainable suggestion that could come out of this
would be to provide a minimal binary distribution along with the everything
but the kitchen sink model. The suggestion for new people would be to
download both, play with the kitchen sink, and then start developing their
Hi Christian,
Thanks again very much for your help.
I've tested what you suggested me (a good idea...) and it works fine:
But, as I read in Cocoon center's lesson about request parameter:
Some advantages of RequestSelector over a RequestParamAction are that
you can use a default
I think cocoon needs some thing like blank web application( if it does not
already have, I am new to Coocon:) ). There is one in Struts.
-Original Message-
From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cocoon is
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 01:26:09PM +0100, Jordi Valldaura wrote:
Hello,
Im developing a litle intranet
(plug.. http://xml.apache.org/forrest/ :)
, I want to use XML and i18n so I need XSLT transformation and
internacionalization support. I was planning to use cocoon, but
Jeff Turner
Hello Cyril,
the participants.xsl can be really simple:
xsl:stylesheet version=1.0 xmlns:xsl=..
xsl:include href=participantsYOURDEFAULTLANGUAGE.xsl/
/xsl:stylesheet
Replacing YOURDEFAULTLANGUAGE with EN or FR you can choose the default
language of the application. And the above stylesheet
I think you might already be there. Currently the concept of cocoon is a great one. I
create a piepline and cocoon shunts it from a
to b, applying the transforms and so on. Great development effort. Pardon the language
but its a shitty user effort. Just look at
one of your paragraphs in the
Alireza Fattahi dijo:
I think cocoon needs some thing like blank web application( if it does
not already have, I am new to Coocon:) ). There is one in Struts.
please check:
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Tutorials
It will helps you to understand the USER philosophy behind this
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Well, you can see all the OpenOffice.org products as a big WYSIWYG XSLT
editing.
Uh?!
I heard that the data format was XML but nothing more.
As I am too lazy to investigate (and probably its interesting for others),
could you please give us some hint on what
Cocoon is a powerfull _framework_ used to develop XML applications and
not an out of the box product. As a framework, Cocoon architecture must be
well understood in order provide extensions that satisfies a particular
need.
IMHO, Cocoon´s leaning curve is not steep, assuming that the
Well you are wrong. I know all of those and some of them QUITE well. And still getting
cocoon going is a major hassle. Yes, I can
deploy the distribution but I mean getting my own application going. Just a
hello-world app.
-- robert
- Original Message -
From: Gustavo Nalle Fernandes
Thanks to all for your help!
It's working now, with two different methods:
1°) Using a RequestParamAction:
map:act type=request
map:parameter name=parameters value=true/
map:generate src=documents/participants.xml/
map:transform src=stylesheets/participants{langue}.xsl
map:parameter
Franck Lumpe dijo:
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Well, you can see all the OpenOffice.org products as a big WYSIWYG
XSLT editing.
Uh?!
I heard that the data format was XML but nothing more.
As I am too lazy to investigate (and probably its interesting for
others), could you please give us
Yesterday, I was asked to find a solution for document repository and as a
Open Source fan I went to sourceforge.net and found Owl Intranet Engine:
http://owl.sourceforge.net/
But as a Cocoon addict I thinked it is a fine opportunity to test the
directory generator and a FileWriter interface that
Robert Simmons wrote:
Lastly, flaming is not an option. These are the opinions from a
newbie comming into cocoon. Readers of this list can flame all they
want but that is just hiding from the very real problems.
Robert, I can only give you one advise: don't forget human beings are
sitting
Hi
I'm experiencing a problem concerning the sunRise login action.
the sitemap fragment looks like this:
map:match pattern=einf-login
map:act type=sunRise-login
map:parameter name=handler value=Einformatyka/
map:parameter
Marco,
Thanks a lot, I must have overlooked that in the
how-to on the website. I was wondering if you know
whether or not the new version of Xindice (1.1 Beta)
works over the pseudo protocol. I have tried, but to
no avail. The new version must run in Tomcat's
servlet container. I want to
Antonio,
Although my install seems a bit buggy, it may be worth
your while to look into Slide and the slide webapp
that is in the cocoon scratchpad. I am sure it will
be up to par shortly. Besides, using different tools
(e.g. POI), you could convert all your files into XML
and then transform
I don't forget that. Nor do I expect everyone to adapt to my way. Not at all.
However I know for a fact that I am not the only new
user to cocoon having these issues. I can look at the mailing list archive a long way
back and see people who have come, posted the
same opinions and then
Hi
I have 2 maches in sitemap:
map:match pattern=mach1
map:act type=sunRise-loggedIn !-- check authentication --
map:parameter name=handler value=Einformatyka/
map:act type=sunRise-auth !-- Access to sunrise
context --
map:parameter name=handler
First off I made some suggestions to your
questions/problems below...skip ahead if you don't
want my commentary on Cocoon.
Well it seems to me that when I started with Cocoon, I
was hoping to jump right on in. Unfortunately, it was
not that easy, but not b/c of Cocoon, rather my
limited
hi julian,
sorry, I haven't worked with XIndice yet. but from looking at the XIndice
sources the NPE seems to be caused by the key being null. as already
mentionend, I'm not into XIndice so I don't know where that key is being
specified (created by your action, maybe?), but perhaps this info
MArco,
Thanks, but it is not the action. Before I even put
it in, I had this problem. So it seems to be the
pseudo-protocol of Cocoon or the Xindice db. I will
look into it more, but for now I will stick to what I
have going...a working app! Thanks again.
-Julian
--- Marco Rolappe [EMAIL
Great. Thanks for the information. However the questions are still thick as pea soup.
If I don't want to deploy all the cocoon jars in my war, I have to put them somewhere.
It has been suggested that I put them in the
tomcat lib directory. Ok fine, then how does one configure it?
My goal is to
Antonio,
Thanks for the pointers.
Maybe we should set up a page on the Wiki for XML Editing Best Practices
(solutions for client processing, browser-based solutions, practical WebDav,
etc.)
Not specifically a Cocoon issue but an important part of the implementation
process.
There is no
Ckeck out these XML editors:
http://xopus.org/index.jsp?menu=info
http://bitfluxeditor.org/
-Julian
=
Live simply so others may simply live.
-Ghandi
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.
Entities should not be multiplied unneccesarily
-William of Occam
I am with cocoon for about three months now and i remember
my own frustrations when i started as a newbie. From this
thread and other emails within this list and from my personal
experience with cocoon i conclude:
1.) cocoon gains high (initial) attraction (many newbies questions)
2.) cocoon is
Thanks for the reply. I still, however, cant figure out how to get a hello world
working on a clean war without all of the other
crap in the cocoon war. The configuration file is just plain staggering to say the
least. And looking at some pages that use cocoon,
I'm starting to have second
There is one problem with your approach:
What if your webapp uses different versions of
commonly used jars ?
I had this problem with one of my webapps, that
internally used an older version of the avalon
framework and some other jars incompatible to
my cocoon-2.0.4. I tried hard to get my webapp
depending on what you are doing with cocoon, you get
quite amazing performance due to caching. My website
is completely done in XML and using cocoon. and its
almost as performant as with ordinary html. I was
really amazed when i saw this although the site is super
simple... http://www.saxess.de
I
Robert Simmons wrote:
know. The Wiki page runs very slow for me and a tutorial linked to me
again: _what_ Wiki are you referring to? If it's
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/, please quantify how slow, so that I can get
a grip on it. That Wiki is built using plain JSP taglibs, BTW. Nothing
to do
another try to get feedback for my problem:
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Haselberger
Sent: Dienstag, 21. Jänner 2003 10:52
To: Cocoon-Users (E-mail)
Subject: i18n problem with i18n:attr : ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException
I use cocoon 2.0.4 in tomcat 4.1.18 with j2sdk1.4.0_03.
the
I got this error installing cocoon 2.0.1 with tomcat 4.1.8 and with jdk
1.4
WHY?
type fatal
message Language Exception
description org.apache.cocoon.ProcessingException: Language Exception:
org.apache.cocoon.components.language.LanguageException: Error compiling
sitemap_xmap: Line 0, column
Franck Lumpe dijo:
Antonio,
Thanks for the pointers.
Maybe we should set up a page on the Wiki for XML Editing Best Practices
(solutions for client processing, browser-based solutions, practical
WebDav, etc.)
Not specifically a Cocoon issue but an important part of the
implementation
Julian, thanks for the tip. :-D
Antonio Gallardo
Julian Klein dijo:
Antonio,
Although my install seems a bit buggy, it may be worth
your while to look into Slide and the slide webapp
that is in the cocoon scratchpad. I am sure it will
be up to par shortly. Besides, using different tools
You really does dont want the help people give you:
Please just click here:
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Tutorials
and you will be ready after 3 hours. Please read just the 1st tutorial
from IBM developerworks.
Antonio Gallardo.
Robert Simmons dijo:
No professional dev wants, or has the time, to blow 2 to
three weeks just to get separation of logic and presentation.
How you think a Professional developer do that? I ended my Master Degree
in Computer Science in 1995 just before Java hits the streets and Windows
95 was
I wonder why sometimes when it comes to criticism of cocoon
the arguments fly higher and higher until someone gets
really pissed of and angry ...
And why is it so many times a newbie who becomes the center
of this game ? (Also one of my first newbie questions boiled
up beyond the limits, but i'm
Try to follow the instructions at the following page I just created:
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp
Ignore the comments obviously geared at making this part of the build (and
possibly part of the release.)
You'll need a source distribution of Cocoon 2.0.4, which I
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp
collaboration welcome.
Geoff Howard
-
Please check that your question has not already been answered in the
FAQ before posting.
SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous dijo:
And especially the newbies can give so valuable insight, even if they
seem to be ignorant (they aren't ignorant at all. They are new to this
!!!)
Yes I know this point, but for this reason you cannot just come here and
after 12 hours, start attacking something you
Java and C++ both have places to start. You can get a Hello World up in about 5
minutes. If you take the attitude don't let the
door hit you in the ass on the way out, then people will head out and make sure the
aforementioned door doesn't strike. This isn't
a game. Its not a toy. Its not
Antonio,
sorry, i really misinterpreted your last email. Seems i was wrong
(big apologize!) this was really not meant against you.
Let me explain what i have in mind:
In the OpenSources the things goes a diferent way. This is not a
company where are people getting money to support you. Then the
3) Override the getForm() method in the action
Wouldn't it be enough to override the getFormModel() method?
Yes. Your code looks good.
Something like this:
protected Object getFormModel() {
//to load the XML model
Container DOMModel = null;
Source modelSrc = null;
//this
I can post details if that's the problem you're trying to solve.
Jeff that would be great if you could post this.
Thanks
Perry Molendijk
-
Please check that your question has not already been answered in the
FAQ before
The fact is that JSP continues to gather momentum and the era of XML-XSLT
has all but been forgotten. To what do you attribute this?
XML and XSLT and by extension cocoon has a very narrow window to get some
serious press to make itself live. This window is passing by.
Funny that, I am kind
Robert Simmons dijo:
No professional dev wants, or has the time, to blow 2 to
three weeks just to get separation of logic and presentation.
How you think a Professional developer do that? I ended my Master Degree
in Computer Science in 1995 just before Java hits the streets and Windows
95
Hello Thomas,
once upon the time there was a buggy Xerces version having problem
with I18n attributes. We had this problem in the Cocoon 2.0.3 release
with (I think) Xerces 2.0. After we upgraded the Xerces version
everything works ok again. Lines like
Hello Giovanni,
you have a wrong version of JVM. It seems that your code was compiled
with a newer version than the used JVM. Did you download a binary
distribution or did you build your own Cocoon from sources?
Regards,
Joerg
Giovanni Di Lembo wrote:
I got this error installing cocoon 2.0.1
10 minutes ? Some 30 hours later I still haven't figured out what I need to go
minimal.
-- Robert
- Original Message -
From: Perry Molendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: Cocoon is too complex for consumption?
The fact is
The biggest concept that has me is. Ok so this is cocoon including everything
but the kitchen sink... so where do I start on my OWN site? Do I need to copy
this enormous cocoon config file? Haven't they ever heard of defaults? Do I
really need to hand modify all his stuff? Why is everyone telling
hello people!
after some hours of configuration, i finally got
the c2 phpgenerator
set up correctly. next thing would be to pass
http-attributes as
parameters to the php-script. i tried something
like this in the sitemap:
!--php
try--map:pipelinemap:match
pattern="one2.php?myparam=**"
-Original Message-
From: Robert Simmons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cocoon is complex, HOLD ON, WHY IS THIS BOILING UP ?
The biggest concept that has me is. Ok so this is cocoon
including everything
but
Hi Robert -
Ok, my turn to weigh in.
First off, one first principle about any technology is that it's
usability and suitability are largely subjective. Over the years, I have
found that many technologies - JSP, EJBs, PHP, Perl/CGI, ActiveX, etc. -
can work great if YOU like them and know how
My direct mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is where to send any files. Ill be
interested to see what you have but I have to confess my frustration level is
ratcheted up high and almost out of the reach of rationality. I'm generally
not messing with web-client side much. I am paid professionally for
Hi Robert -
Ok, my turn to weigh in.
First off, one first principle about any technology is that it's
usability and suitability are largely subjective. Over the years, I have
found that many technologies - JSP, EJBs, PHP, Perl/CGI, ActiveX, etc. -
can work great if YOU like them and know
Robert Simmons dijo:
Java and C++ both have places to start. You can get a Hello World up in
about 5 minutes.
If you read just the 1st tutorial I pointed you in wiki you will dont told
that.
This isn't a game. Its not a toy. Its not something that can be said
like it or leave it. Its a
Robert Simmons wrote:
GOOD! This is my idea of the right attitude. People seem to fail to
realize that
if I didn't see the potential of the product, I wouldn't bother wasting
several
hours of my time typing up very long emails on the subject.
I can see that you do indeed care, but (for
Hi Lajos!
I just write you because I got your book on Jan, 20th and is the best of
the three about Cocoon 2. Thanks again to you and Jeremy. You are really
good writers!
I promise to post a review on amazon.com since there still are no one review.
Best Regards,
Antonio Gallardo.
Greetings. When I remove the cocoon.war from my
JBoss Deployment directory and then put it back in, the application says that it
deploys correctly but when I try to access the cocoon page, it takes quite
a long time (over a minute) to see the welcome page. What's going on
here?
-- Robert
Thanks Antonio! We appreciate the comments and look forward to reading
your review.
Regards,
Lajos
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
Hi Lajos!
I just write you because I got your book on Jan, 20th and is the best of
the three about Cocoon 2. Thanks again to you and Jeremy. You are really
good writers!
Hello Julian,
simply a part of the pipe which use parameters returned by the action
should be inside the map:act tag.
Murad Jura.
Julian Klein wrote:
Hi All,
I am trying to add a paramater to the sitemap through
an Action extended from the MultiAction Class, but
when I try to access it in my
HI,
I am trying to implement the psuedo-protocol for
xindice 1.1 beta in cocoon cvs version. My previous
code however no longer works to access the database.
I used to use xindice 1.0 as a standalone, but now I
have it mounted in Tomcat as a webapp running on port
8080. I am running on red hat
Geoff Howard wrote:
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=CreateMinimalWebapp
the server running the wiki diff notifications has gone AWOL yesterday
afternoon - going in the office to check what is going on today
/Steven
--
Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/
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