Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-05 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
The bylaws are plenty of evident mistakes … Such as the understanding of the “community”, or use of “internet” instead of “Internet”, etc. However the intent of 11.4 was “to resolve an urgent problem in Internet resources” (not issues in the PDP itself): The Board is allowed to change

[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-05 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le jeudi 5 août 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> a écrit : > Hi Sylvain, > > Hi Jordi, Thanks for replying, brother. > 11.4 literally says policy not DPP. > > ...exact,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-05 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
Hi Sylvain, 11.4 literally says policy not DPP. Also ready 11.5, otherwise you are taking it out of context. Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le dimanche 1 août 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss a écrit : Hi Noah, Hi Jordi,

[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-04 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Please see my comments below, inline... Le dimanche 1 août 2021, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> a écrit : > Hi Noah, > > > > Hi Jordi, Thanks for your email, brother. > Your interpretation on this is wrong. > > > >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-04 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <8a4ce78b-8fc8-4f5e-9283-40ceeef91...@gmail.com>, Brian Sowers wrote: >Do you remember back in elementary school when your dad told you >to punch the bully back or else he/she would keep bothering you? >Same scenario. I'm so glad you brought that up. Who is acting like the actual

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-03 Thread Brian Sowers
Frank, Cloud Innovation dropping all it lawsuits is akin to ignoring a major problem because it is slightly annoying for the bystanders. Tolerating a single offense gives the offender affirmation that it can continue to do said action. Do you remember back in elementary school when your dad

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-03 Thread Brian Sowers
>Moreover, a more capable registry can provide better service possibly along >with lower fees and even a more stable governance. With better resource >handling, all these benefits can be enjoyed by users. With the bureaucratic legal mess AFRINIC currently (and historically) finds itself with

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-03 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Aug 1, 2021, at 23:20 , Ish Sookun wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > On Sunday, 1 August 2021 21:36:55 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: >> There are very few powers that be for dealing with a situation where an >> RIR’s board and/or management run amok and contrary to the rules which

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-03 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Aug 1, 2021, at 14:25 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 00:06 Andrew Alston, > wrote: > This is incorrect and in line actually with what I said - > > Nop > > > Any policy adopted by the Board under the provisions of Article11.4 shall

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-03 Thread Christian Orozco
Isn't there anything to have doubts about? In circumstances like this, I guess a better mindset would be to clarify that doubt. People are talking a lot about an issue not because they just want to campaign wrong information, but because they collectively want to find answers which they know they

[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-02 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le lundi 2 août 2021, Randy Bush a écrit : > >> until all AFRINIC litigation has been sorted to avoid disruption to > >> our African end users and businesses. > > > > ...which *African* end users? imho, your real fear seem to be the lost > > of connectivity of the 90%,

[Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-02 Thread Sylvain Baya
Dear AfriNIC's Community, Le dim. 1 août 2021 à 10:58 AM, Paul Wollner a écrit : > > Hello community > Hi Paul, Thanks for your email, brother. ...please, next time, replace community by its plural...unless you test your *globalisation*? > I think I misused the word “take over” to spike

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-02 Thread Christian Orozco
ms/o0ukef> > -- > *From:* Taiwo Oye > *Sent:* Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM > *To:* Paul Wollner > *Cc:* arin-discuss ; secretariat < > secretar...@nro.net>; Community Discuss ; > apnic-talk ; ripe-list ; > Members Discuss > *Subject:*

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-02 Thread Barry Macharia via Community-Discuss
What risk ? a mad man in a market does not make the whole market mad? Get some time and read the RSA if you read it loud and clear , thats the only relationship Afrinic and CL that exists, as a resource holder i will back Afrinic to the last minute , lets wait for the courts to decide. i find

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-02 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Owen, On Sunday, 1 August 2021 21:36:55 +04 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss wrote: > There are very few powers that be for dealing with a situation where an > RIR’s board and/or management run amok and contrary to the rules which > govern them. The NRO cannot make any significant action

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Brian Sowers
The transfer policy makes sense. AFRINIC should facilitate considerable latitude and agency for resource members to determine their own risks involved and whether to continue or not. Ratify the existing consensus Resource Transfer Policy. -Brian ___

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message Christian Orozco wrote: >First of all, no one here wants AFRINIC to perish. I'm sorry, but you are just simply wrong about that. >Describing something as "shady" does not directly put one side into a >bad light, it's just that Yes, it does, and that is intentional. >If only there

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
Hi Noah, Your interpretation on this is wrong. Read my detailed email a few days ago. 11.4 Allows the Board to define any policy regarding Internet Resources that they believe is urgently needed. This can be implemented ASAP the Board decides. The Board MUST also send the policy

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss
tps://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Noah Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 00:26 To: Andrew Alston Cc: Owen DeLong; Community Discuss; Members Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 00:06

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 00:06 Andrew Alston, wrote: > This is incorrect and in line actually with what I said - > Nop > >1. Any policy adopted by the Board under the provisions of Article11.4 >shall be submitted to the community for endorsement at the next public >policy meeting. > >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
And for clarity, no RIR (including RIPE NCC) used voting for matters that belong to PDP decisions. I think there is some confusion here, may be something taken out of context, not sure what is the issue, but a PDP matter that is decided by consensus hasn’t been decided by members voting.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss
tps://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Noah Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 11:48:48 PM To: Andrew Alston Cc: Owen DeLong ; Community Discuss ; Members Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs Hi Andrew, On Sun, Aug 1

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
Hi Owen, I need to disagree with some of your points here. The transfer proposal was wrongly managed by the chairs, I’m convinced that they did in good faith. A proposal, can’t return once and again with non-editorial changes to the discussion and sustain the consensus decision.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
Hi Andrew, On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 11:30 PM Andrew Alston < andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> wrote: > > > > It remains Andrew's personal opinion and not the consensus of 75% of the > membership base. > > Can I suggest as a compromise position we then test this theory by putting > the question of

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Omo Oaiya
> On 1 Aug 2021, at 20:49, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote: > > Attention Noah: I take note of your constant obsession with Larus, but > seriously man, are you in some way related to them or a stakeholder in > something against them? Just wondering since this obsession of yours seems > very personal..

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
https://afrinic.net/policy/appeal-committee?lang=en#appeals On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 22:46 Owen DeLong, wrote: > > > On Aug 1, 2021, at 12:21 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:47 Owen DeLong, wrote: > >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2021, at 06:06 , Noah wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 15:43

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss
> It remains Andrew's personal opinion and not the consensus of 75% of the > membership base. Can I suggest as a compromise position we then test this theory by putting the question of transfers to a member vote passed or failed by simple majority? This worked for ripe with rpki when they

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 22:50 Lamiaa Chnayti, wrote: > Attention Noah: I take note of your constant obsession with Larus, but > seriously man, are you in some way related to them > Nop but you do based on public records. or a stakeholder in something against them? > Just wondering since this

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Lamiaa Chnayti
Attention Noah: I take note of your constant obsession with Larus, but seriously man, are you in some way related to them or a stakeholder in something against them? Just wondering since this obsession of yours seems very personal.. Also, allow me to remind you that the board you are referring to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Aug 1, 2021, at 12:21 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:47 Owen DeLong, > wrote: > > >> On Aug 1, 2021, at 06:06 , Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> >> wrote: >> >> >> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 15:43 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, >>

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:47 Owen DeLong, wrote: > > > On Aug 1, 2021, at 06:06 , Noah wrote: > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 15:43 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, < > community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > >> >> Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this >> situation

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
Attention: Lamiaa , Malupa, Joshua, Yas, Elvis, ... I take note of your echos and allow me to remind you all that... On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 21:09 Ibeanusi Elvis, wrote: > > This transfer policy has reached a consensus and > The PDWG disputed the declaration of the said consensus by submitting to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Frank Habicht
On 01/08/2021 20:54, Owen DeLong wrote: >> On Aug 1, 2021, at 08:27 , Frank Habicht wrote: >> I think Cloud Innovation dropping all lawsuits would have the same >> effect, and that is the way I would like to suggest. > > OK, for the sake of argument, what would you have AFRINIC do to ensure the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Ibeanusi Elvis
Hello community, The idea of implementing the resource transfer policy not only gives the resource members the right to choose but it protects them from the risk of being entangled in the situations that the AFRINIC has found themselves in. This transfer policy has reached a consensus and

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Aug 1, 2021, at 08:27 , Frank Habicht wrote: > > Hi, > > On 01/08/2021 17:54, Thizwilondi Malupa wrote: >> Hi Robert , >> >> I think Andrew made a very good point, despite your argument that he is >> pushing for the transfer policy for some other reasons. Passing a >> transfer policy

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Aug 1, 2021, at 06:06 , Noah wrote: > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 15:43 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, > mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote: > > Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this > situation do so > - let those who choose not to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
Unfortunately, the problem here is the definition of “powers that be”… There are very few powers that be for dealing with a situation where an RIR’s board and/or management run amok and contrary to the rules which govern them. The NRO cannot make any significant action without the unanimous

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Frank Habicht
Hi, first the part from the end that prompted me to respond... > In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this > list to be nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - - how dare you use the singular I expected 2 lists, but then saw many more (which I'm not

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Yas Houssain
ain - a personal view - and again - I explicitly will not comment on >>>> the merits or demerits of this case - since I believe that the legal system >>>> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this >>>> situation. In fact I fin

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 6:33 PM Erick Joshua Lagon wrote: > The implementation of the resource transfer policy ( > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-003-d4#details) would > enable AFRINIC to reduce the risks in case their situation goes sideways. > That resource transfer policy is

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Arnaud AMELINA
l Wollner < > paul.woll...@africaoncloud.net>; Community Discuss < > community-discuss@afrinic.net>; Members Discuss < > members-disc...@afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service > migration to other RIRs > > > On S

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Frank Habicht
Hi, On 01/08/2021 17:54, Thizwilondi Malupa wrote: > Hi Robert ,  > > I think Andrew made a very good point, despite your argument that he is > pushing for the  transfer  policy for some other reasons. Passing a > transfer policy would  by all means reduce the risk of having AFRINIC > badly

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Erick Joshua Lagon
>>> should run its course and be the final arbiter of what is correct in this >>> situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be >>> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members >>> mitigate their risks a

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Thizwilondi Malupa
ing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members >> mitigate their risks as they see fit >> >> >> Andrew >> >> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> ------ >> *From:* Taiwo Oye >> *Sent

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread robert ford via Community-Discuss
ect in this >> situation. In fact I find the amount of legal posturing on this list to be >> nothing short of bizarre - let the courts do their work - but let members >> mitigate their risks as they see fit >> >> >> Andrew >> >> Get Outlook for iOS

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Lamiaa Chnayti
tariat < > secretar...@nro.net>; Community Discuss ; > apnic-talk ; ripe-list ; > Members Discuss > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service > migration to other RIRs > > Good day all, > > I think paul made some sense in his first st

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 16:11 Andrew Alston, wrote: > Hi Noah, > Hi Andrew > Unfortunately an inbound transfer policy does not in any way shape or form > mitigate the risks articulated in the TISPA, ISPA-ZA or Mauritian press > statements by AfriNIC. > My point for that link was to remind you

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss
Andrew Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Noah Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 4:06:29 PM To: Andrew Alston Cc: Taiwo Oye ; Paul Wollner ; Community Discuss ; Members Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry s

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss
Oye Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM To: Paul Wollner Cc: arin-discuss ; secretariat ; Community Discuss ; apnic-talk ; ripe-list ; Members Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs Good day all, I think paul made

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Noah
On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 15:43 Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss, < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > > Let those who wish to run the risks of staying with AfriNIC through this > situation do so > - let those who choose not to accept the risk profile transfer out - > problem solved. >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Taiwo Oye
as they see fit > > > Andrew > > Get Outlook for iOS > From: Taiwo Oye > Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM > To: Paul Wollner > Cc: arin-discuss ; secretariat ; > Community Discuss ; apnic-talk > ; ripe-list ; Members Discuss > > Subject:

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss
tps://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Taiwo Oye Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:00:32 PM To: Paul Wollner Cc: arin-discuss ; secretariat ; Community Discuss ; apnic-talk ; ripe-list ; Members Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service mig

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Christian Orozco
First of all, no one here wants AFRINIC to perish. Let's just be clear on that. All of us here, in this discussion, understand the mission and the important duties of AFRINIC very well. However, if AFRINIC needs to get back to its feet first, doesn't a more capable entity be more beneficial to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Taiwo Oye
Good day all, I think paul made some sense in his first statement (tho the statement has been watered down now). If afrinic is in a financial fix or in a state where it is tending towards a financial situation where it can no longer perform its duties, it is only right to start weighing all

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-08-01 Thread Paul Wollner
Hello community I think I  misused the word “take over” to spike some unfortunate sentiments. Let me try this again: In the interest of internet continuity, another RIR should help AFRINIC (by staff or infrastructure), to perform it’s core registration service function for the time

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Brian Sowers wrote: >The effect from the NRO activating their stability fund for AFRINIC's >behalf will be twofold. >First, it will certainly alleviate - in a disclosed and stable manner - >AFRINIC's financial shortcomings to allow for it to continue operations. Do you have some

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Brian Sowers
The effect from the NRO activating their stability fund for AFRINIC’s behalf will be twofold. First, it will certainly alleviate—in a disclosed and stable manner—AFRINIC’s financial shortcomings to allow for it to continue operations. Second, the call for help from NRO certainly draws more

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message Thizwilondi Malupa wrote: >... so it would be best for NRO to take over for the moment , until >AFRINIC can sort out their financial crisis... As I understand it, there is going to be another court hearing on Wednesday, August 4th, which is just a few days from now, and that

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Arnaud AMELINA
Lol, Oooh that's sad when people don't absolutely understand nothing. People have shot an arrow, they don't even know if their opponent is hit, they start digging his grave. Without knowing if the latter does not have a shield that would return their own projectile to their face. They want to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Ibeanusi Elvis
Like everyone here, I believe that we share a common denominator and idea, which is centered on the success, longevity and the continued functionality of the AFRINIC. Hence, with the present condition and situation that the RIR being AFRINIC is in financially, an assistance through the NRO RIR

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Thizwilondi Malupa
I can confidently say that , in this community we all want the best for AFRINIC , at the current moment they are in a financial distress , which I believe , also stated by Paul , AFRINIC is already struggling with the registry functionality. Right now , the solution that can bring up stability

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Lamiaa Chnayti
+1 "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". The NRO's Joint Stability Fund was literally set up to guarantee the continued operation of an RIR in case of an emergency, and for an RIR to no longer have access to its bank accounts is obviously one. Otherwise how will AFRINIC maintain its

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Ben Rachad Sanoussi
Dear all, Let us support AFRINIC and prevent the destruction of our Regional Internet Registry. Thank you On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 9:13 PM Paul Wollner wrote: > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Noah
Oga AK, On Fri, 30 Jul 2021, 20:52 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE, wrote: > Dear Paul, > I am surprised by this. Why would you think it is in anyone's interest for > AFRINIC to close shop. > FYI, a small group of dishonest individuals, actually believe Afrinic should not exist. But if one carefully

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Noah
On Sat, 31 Jul 2021, 09:31 Ish Sookun, wrote: > The bigger surprise is the that this statement is from someone who ran for > the > AFRINIC Board Director seat. > Hi Ish This is not a surprise to be honest. Paul Wolner is a business associate of Lu Heng and they wanted a seat on the highest

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Paul, On Saturday, 31 July 2021 10:00:27 +04 Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > “The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which > is attached to this email, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Timothy Ola Akinfenwa
My sentiments exactly *Ish*. I mean I had to go back and check the mailing list archives to be sure it is the same Mr. Paul Wollner. Conspiracy or Coincidence Theory? Only time will tell and history will surely remember us all! Best! <.ta/> On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 7:28 AM Ish Sookun wrote: >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Ish Sookun
The bigger surprise is the that this statement is from someone who ran for the AFRINIC Board Director seat. Regards, -- Ish Sookun On Friday, 30 July 2021 21:44:09 +04 ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE wrote: > Dear Paul, > I am surprised by this. Why would you think it is in anyone's interest for > AFRINIC

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-31 Thread Marcus K. G. Adomey
-lo4 From: Paul Wollner Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 9:38:32 PM To: Members Discuss ; Community Discuss ; ripe-list ; arin-discuss ; apnic-talk Cc: secretariat Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-30 Thread AMADU YUSIF
Wollner Cc: arin-discuss ; secretariat ; Community Discuss ; apnic-talk ; ripe-list ; Members Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs Dear Paul, I am surprised by this. Why would you think it is in anyone's interest for AFRINIC

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-30 Thread ABDULKARIM OLOYEDE
Dear Paul, I am surprised by this. Why would you think it is in anyone's interest for AFRINIC to close shop. I can't imagine that. AFRINIC has come to stay like any of the other RIRs. Mistakes might have been made who knows ? but am sure it's not the end of the world. Things can still be corrected

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-30 Thread Matogoro Jabera
I am sending my congratulations to TISPA for showing the way. This has been our spirit since then, we will always be there for any initiative designed to impact African Independence and to be specific in the support of AFRINIC. "The role of Tanzania in fostering African Liberation movements The

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-29 Thread Noah
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 12:19 AM Paul Wollner < paul.woll...@africaoncloud.net> wrote: > The concerns expressed by TISPA, > TISPA's support of *solidarity* is with AFRINIC. AFRINIC is our concern. We shall stand with her. I call upon all ISP Associations across AFRICA to stand with AFRINIC.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-29 Thread Paul Wollner
Apologies for the duplicate post, but the initial posting was too large.  The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and especially by AFRINIC's  own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, which is available at https://ibb.co/tmWCk0k, regarding the AFRINIC’s

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for AFRINIC’s registry service migration to other RIRs

2021-07-29 Thread Arnaud AMELINA
Le jeu. 29 juil. 2021 à 21:16, Paul Wollner a écrit : > The concerns expressed by TISPA, as well as other concerned parties and > especially by AFRINIC's own admission in the news outlet lexpress.mu, > which is attached to this email, regarding the AFRINIC’s inability to keep > providing its